I always imagined that SM64's paintings actually contained the entire world within - but I guess because of linked paintings in Odyssey, that theory is blown out the window! haha.
After seeing Super Mario Odyssey, I thought about Super Mario 64 and ThrowBack Galaxy. Is ThrowBack Galaxy just the same location that SM64 takes you to, but you actually found it without a portal? That would also explain the Bob-Bomb Battlefield easter egg in Odyssey since Hint Toad's map is Bob-Bomb Battlefield.
Wait. I thought of something. What if these paintings are actually normal paintings brought to life by magic? It would explain why they seem to be floating in the void, completely separated from the rest of the world. Perhaps the creatures there were also brought to life, and only have memory of the painters intentions? It would explain why most of the worlds are so small and why they're in thr middle of absolute nowhere.
He did use time travel in the Luigi's Mansion series. In Dark Moon,he tested Gooigi and sent it through time to the events of Luigi's Mansion 3. So,yeah,he does use time travel.
In regards to the time traveling theory, to answer the issues you mentioned connected with it (such as the disappearing Bowser sub, or the fog appearing only once)... Personally, I think what could possibly match these events best is the "Flash-Point" theory presenting in most any DC's "Flash" comic/media concept. Because my favorite explanation of the "Flash-Point" theory is what happens when you break the sound barrier. Reverse-Flash: "Break the sound barrier, you create a sonic-boom. Break the light barrier and you create an optical-boom. But break the time barrier, you create a temporal-boom." ^^^In short, while Mario can go back and forth between time periods even in locations he's already been to, effecting that "natural" environment/time even in the slightest of ways still ultimately "changes" it in faint distorted events. Consequently, even if you "revisit" periods of time you had already been to prior, objects that you had stolen from those environments during your previous visit cease being there (such as "Stars"). Also meaning that potentially every single time you "re-play" a particular level/time/place, you are further distorting the events of that "world". Causing things that were once "standards" of that place to have altered in position, timing, and even application! This would literally mean that every painting/environment Mario interacts with, he is literally disrupting the "natural" order of those places! Granted, Bowser is just as equally at fault for that as well... Another example of that "disruption" is how coins in those worlds get "spit out"! As an example, there are boxes you can destroy to get "coins"; even supposing you break that box from the exact same location, at the exact same time, from the exact same distance, and even with the exact same attack, the direction the coins pop out from the box still vary every single time! The most sensible answer is literal Time distortions... Meaning, you could almost say that when Mario enters a "Painting", he might as well be interacting with a different "universe" because the sequence of "time" and "events" have been altered each time Mario steps foot in that environment.
I sort of understand the idea. I can't think of any evidence against it at this moment, but I haven't played a lot of Mario games, and I don't think I've actually completed any Mario games that have magic paintings. Unless Super Mario Galaxy used paintings, which would mean I completed one. I would really like SwankyBox to check this one. If anyone else is reading this, like the comment!
Sunshine will always have that special place in my heart from my childhood, same with Luigi's Mansion and that Wario Land 4. The idea and remembrance of the paint has always been a cool concept since you started making theories on them, Swanky, so cool to see more from you and your bud. Keep up the fun, guys. God bless yours and you both! :)
What I think is that the paintings in games such as Super Mario 64 and whatnot are the specific types that are able to change place *and* time. However, the small paintings in Odyssey that allow you to collect otherwise unreachable starts are the types of paintings in that universe that are only able to change space but not tome.
The concept of travelling backwards in time through wormholes is called a closed time-like curve, these paintings seem to be ctc's, The ones that transport you through the different levels in mario odyssey are just ordinary wormholes
Excellent theory as always!! I absolutely love the painting concept implementation that has been seen so much in the series! E. Gadd has always been a suspicious man haha
I feel like the paint in Sunshine just teleports more than time travel cause all of those places are connected to the main Delphino Isle. Mario could just sail or walk to them, it would just take to long. Perfect example being the Amusement Park since you just get blasted over to it by a cannon.
My theory is that all of the paintings in Peaches castle were just normal paintings of real locations in the mushroom world until Bowser brought them to life with magic for the sole purpose of hiding the stars in them. So when Mario jumps into a painting he is actually traveling to some sort of pocket dimension that contains a copy of the real place that is depicted in the painting and that is why all of the areas are just floating in the void. And in Super Mario Sunshine and Odessy you are just being teleported to a different location.
I always thought they were just warps to worlds that already existed, but various stars/shines/moons kinda debunk this tbh so it's possible some of them have an additional layer of light time travel. Incidentally the personality tests (or "which Pokemon are you" menus) of all Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games look like they'd make for some really relaxing monocolored paintings. Crossover material, right there.
Have you heard of Radiant Historia? It uses two timelines that both run parallel and intertwine with each other. There’s also a third timeline that uses previous scenarios that turn into what-if scenarios. The main character and a few other characters exist outside the bounds of the timelines and so keep the memories and experiences they went through
I think they work better as alternate dimensions. Using the Multiple Universes Theory, we could argue that the paintings are a portal to said dimensions, and the stars and shine sprites being a way to "select which version" of that universe. Therefore, collecting them would make changes to the parallel universe in which that star/shine is in, and affecting others. That's why some changes, like the fog in Jolly Roger Bay, are permanent, but others, like the Whomp King's death, are not. Things that can travel through those dimensions do not get affected, like Koopa the Quick or Bowser's sub. Moons and stars out of the paintings, or that exist no matter what changes, like the secret stars and shines, however, do not affect anything, since, in said situations, like said, they do not interfere with their world. In the case of teleportation, it's probably a double-way portal, with you entering a random dimension/void, and then coming back to your universe, in different location.
This is also proved in super mario sunshine because with pianta village each shine is leading up to the fluff festival where the 8th shine is a red coin collecting mission of the fluff festival.
So. This theory is nice but I actually would like to share my own theory about the paintings. I think that the world's inside the paintings arent locations. They are world contained by it. A toad in Mario 64 states so. But bowser also does it.(also the description for SM64 in super Mario 3D all stars states that too so it's still canon) He talks about Mario's friends being trapped in the walls and his troops also in the walls. This makes me believe that the rooms that the paintings are in actually don't exist. They are created by magic. But remember that not every level in Mario 64 is actually a painting. Only those with paintings (and Tick tock clock) are actually contained inside the walls. Big boos haunt. Dire dire docks, hazy maze cave and all the special stages besides the acquarium are all locations in the Mario world. Remember that bowser stole the star not to make them collectible but to make it hard to get them. Remember that bowser has the great star that gives him more magic powers. You not only need to count the power of the stars but also bowser powers. It is stated that the koopas have dark magic at their disposal. So it makes sense that they would want the great star to enhance their powers even further and considering he knew Mario could get to him instead of taking the regular power stars with him he created world's inside the walls and scattered the star there. Remember even thoug the world is inside the painting it's still a world this is why things can change inside of them. Oh and in regards to the paintings in odyssey, nobody's saying that those are the SAME paintings from Mario 64, neither are the Ms from sunshine or any other portal we saw in this series. And in regards to throwback galaxy. I'd assume it's just a galaxy that HAPPENS to look like one of the painting worlds. And before you ask, yes I am one of those "Mario-lore" guys that likes trying to find out the lore in a series that doesn't need any.and remember this is just my theory.
Makes sense. Luigi’s Mansion has the Mario painting bring Luigi to something like the past of the mansion where it could have been burned down. Which could explain the burning flames background
My thought here is to cross-compare with the magical ink of the Art in the Myst series, with which one can create or visit Ages which often seem to capture a moment in time as well as a place.
If you’re in the Mushroom kingdom, and go through a painting to the seaside kingdom, your odyssey will be there! So maybe, somewhere, there is another mario jumping around :0
That could be a true theory! Because, in super Mario odyseyy in one of the levels, you can go to new -dank- donk city in the desert level And the thing is... when you first enter the world in the game it was taken over, but when you enter it it's fine And btw later in that place when you get to the world there is a festival with the song that plays and that song plays while Mario is in the festival Here's my ideas: 1: It could be you hopped into the future while everything was fine Or 2: They just usually have festivals and the world got taken over by bowser only when the time you entered
Enderman Pierce Actually that can be explained. On your way to New Donk City you actually see Bowser heading there yourself and you intercept him. But then he drops you into the lost kingdom with a broken ship while he continues to the Metro Kingdom. So it can be assumed that while Mario was messing around in the lost kingdom, Bowser arrived in Metro and was in the process of taking over New Donk. Which is why when you arrive in New Donk you can see Bowsers ship still circling around New Donk Tower with wedding ads all over the city. Its pretty clear that Bowser JUST arrived in New Donk. Since in Tostarina his footprints were still fresh so you guys practically arrived to the dessert at the exact same time and by that time Bowser has yet to arrive to the Metro kingdom.
I would say the time travelling part is a stretch, time could pass differently in different galaxies, so mario jumping out and back in immediately, could mean the ship had time to be repaired now that the eel had left, and the tower to be built as it's been reclaimed, selecting old stars like you said you can do in galaxy is just playing old levels again like in any game that would repeat cutscenes but doing so, and involves no paint in galaxy to select old stars Bowser may not be using the paintings only necessarily all the time hence his sub moving, mario travels between these same worlds or galaxies without paintings and bowser has means of transport with his airships even in space, so him and Koopa the quick could just be world hopping. Think about it, the pink bob-ombs appear in the same paintings, it's not like they exit the paintings, and their canons exist before they show up implying they've been there before, and move back once certain threats have been removed to open them back up But I wouldn't say the time travelling part is a stretch entirely, because the boss paintings do seem to take you back, except the fights aren't the same but harder and different settings even, so maybe an alternate timeline, otherwise mario could have used those paintings all along to get to those worlds instead of using the odyssey But the most interesting painting is the one found in the wedding hall, that takes mario forwards in time to the same future but harder fight, and without actually confronting bowser in the hall, even though it appears only after the game and is commented on too by someone for being creepy, implying it appeared after some sense of awareness that mario had already defeated bowser even tho going back to the moon post game he's there waiting again, so how did it appear, who are they, when did they put it there and when did they come from?
look at the painting's borders when they're golden, even in SM64, it brings you to another world, which could mean gold paintings are simply teleportation paintings and for the boss paintings in mario odyssey, they are silver, so they do teleport you to a world, but limit you to a certain area of it, which is the boss area my theory is that the silver paintings are creating an illusion, so it's not the real world you're in and the gold paintings do hold the power to teleport you to another real world
Maybe the answer to your question lies in the mechanics of Super Mario 64: Parallel Universes. Perhaps each time you enter the paintings you are traveling to a different universe. Things may seem to be either reset or perpetuated by your previous visits, but you are actually visiting a parallel universe where another Mario has completed a different set of tasks which may or may not align exactly with your actions.
If bowser was an external factor, then why can you redo the final boss fights in super Mario odyssey where bowser says and preforms the exact same things? Knowing this, my guess would be the paintings are made to represent challenges, like a simulation (would explain why the rematches with the bosses in SMO are have slight differences compared to the original fights), and maybe the portraits in Luigi's mansion are just simulations of jails, or empty voids made to contain. I mean, the point of being able to rematch bowser in SMO is to re-experience the fight and get a feel for it (simulation, eh?) idk....
But of course, there could be different paintings with various uses like you said in the video, I do run into problems thinking about Koopa the Quick and why there would need to be changes in some past events but not others. Why must making sense of video game lore be so confusing?!
The truth is actually a lot less complicated. Shiggy himself has stated that every mario game is a play. This also explains the friend/enemy status of Bowser.
There's one problem that I can think of with this theory. In all 64 and Odyssey, if Mario time travels back AFTER getting the Star/Multi-Moon, the second time the star will look different, then back to normal in Odyssey though, the Multi-Moon will always be clear. But maybe Mario goes to the time after- wait, that wouldn't work either.
The paintings might like Rosealina have the power to reset time to a sertant point of time, and the painting chooses what point in time that Mario goes to.
I think how the paint works is different in the games. From what ive seen from the toads in SM64 the paintings ARE the worlds where in SMS and SMO they are merely transportation methods. So in super mario 64 i believe the worlds were manifested by bowser, but peach never got rid of them, so thats why so many things from those worlds are things still in the marioverse, things such as whomps and bob-omb buddies. So it could be that mario was BECOMING a part of the painting until he needed to exit, so the painting itself is more of a gateway into its own world. Whereas in the sunshine and odyssey versions they are portals, id say the portals are working along similar physics to the SMB2 potions, but are more permanent unless removed by an external force
Ok here, Mario and Luigi can survive a lot of things that humans can't. So Mario and Luigi can go through work holes in galaxy. With the paintings there is a certain time set, and they possess the power of time traveling.
I was thinking about Super Mario odyssey and, I thought about how when you travel through paintings, your odyssey is still there. Even though you didn’t travel through your odyssey. So I thought we go back in time when we were there before, or something like that.
Something that does not really make sense is in Mario Odyssey, the bosses you fight are not just previous boss fights like time travel, but there is an extra challenge. Like in the mechawiggler rematch, there are two instead of one,so you might actually be collecting a multi moon in an ALTERNATE WORLD! If so, is the original mario in that world somewhere?
Maybe the stars where the reason you could time travel and not the paintings since you select the stars. The painting marks the place and the stars the time.
wow well done connecting the paintings in Mario 64 to Sunshine and other mario games got to give it to you that is pretty clever while I don't disagree with the time traveling bit per say I do have an objection if the stars take you to different points in time then how do you explain being able to get other stars that aren't the star that you selected in the first place? I'm thinking in mario 64 not sure if this is the case in other games as well
This looks like a lower or higher dimensional doorway. Where Mario enters a painting (2d) he could select when state he wants to be there, moving across the time axis in the 2d world. But then again maybe it's literally just a 2d door to different places. Like how whomps fortress is in super Mario 64 and Galaxy. Maybe paintings works like a 2d door right above that place in which you fall to, and since it's 2d it allows for moving in the time axis. Or maybe even a 4th dimensional gate, maybe that would make more sense. What do y'all think??
I always imagined Super Mario 64’s paintings existed in pocked dimensions. Perhaps the sought Star within the micro-world changes the area in ways to make that goal possible to attain.
Not really related to the Mario series, Adeleine from the Kirby series can paint objects that come to life. What if the Nintendo franchises are in fact based in the same universe? I'm not suggesting Smash Bros is canon to the other games, just aspects of them. Maybe E. Gadd had some technology to discover Pop Star and attempted to recreate the mysterious paint. Somewhat related. The final boss of Kirby Star Allies is called Void Termina. Termina also being a place in Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Also interestingly, the shape of Void Termina's head is of a heart. The same shape the Majora Mask is.
But in SM64 you can actually interfere in some "paintings worlds" depending how you enter them, like TTC or the one with changing water-level (i don't remember the name)
bit late here but my theory is actually much simpler. ITS ALL A GAME.... ok, ok i know you said that but hear me out. miyamoto said something once iirc about why bowser and mario go-kart together in relative peace. he implied they were actors. my theory of this is that mario, bowser and the gang are not only in a game, but AWARE of it. not like how deadpool does but like how actors KNOW they are in a movie or stage performance. its all a show. bowser isnt really evil, its just his role. peach isnt a "real" princess, she's an actress. mario is almost always the lead role cos he's the star. it also explains why mario isn't getting older; makeup and stunt doubles! its a show. a performance. so what about the paintings? well, they take you to the "backstage" access of other acts. it also explains why the boss refights are different. its an encore! a repeat of a past act but pumped up and with some added flare so its a little different. still the same fundamentally, but with a little extra spice to top it off. this is also supported by the paper mario series. battles in TTYD literally take place on a theater stage and on other paper mario titles its also inferred from misc props like curtains and backdrop elements. this solves most all continuity errors and logical contradictions otherwise present (like why they go-kart together still). sure this theory has its flaws, the all will when you look beyond the surface and dive deeper that "its just a game" . while this one may not be the most satisfying i think its also one of the more interesting ones in regards to its implications for the mario universe. is it a live performance or as the player are we seeing the final result after green screens and CGI? what are the "actors" true views on each other? are mario and bowser actually friends behind the scenes? do peach and mario even like eachother? is luigi even REAL?! i personally think this is the best and most interesting theory as it opens MANY more questions than it closes but they are many smaller and less significant ones than the nature of the game's universe itself. anyway, thats my take on it :)
*WARNING!!! OPINION AHEAD!!* I personally think that the paintings in general are just portals to certain areas of the Mario World and some paintings do indeed have time travelling concepts. They might be marked with the frames and all that. Like in Odyssey, most of the teleporting paintings are gold framed and the Rematch Bosses are in silver frames. Not sure about the others like Luigi's Mansion but I'm pretty sure the near general use is like teleporters despite 64's plot of Bowser trapping stars in paintings (I think that's it).
So what if we go back to the 2d side scrollers. What if your not really jumping into a void. But a painting that takes you back to the beginning of the level. Ik its a stretch. But that’s why mario never really diesels because the last “life” you have and fall in a “void” it slowly takes you back in time.. if you wanted it to?
Paintings would need some sort of power such as a "star" or "moon" in one side or the other and if you didnt know almost everything in mario games revolve around stars and such things could also be turned into liquid like we see the gold goo in the odyssey and in super mario galaxy but thats what I think
I think the paintings in sm64 every star is a version of that world for example the first star in whomps fortress there is no tower and he is still on top but in the next star is a different version where whomp is there and there is a tower on top
I always imagined that SM64's paintings actually contained the entire world within - but I guess because of linked paintings in Odyssey, that theory is blown out the window! haha.
Nintendrew Not necessarily. The paintings in Luigi's Mansion seen to have their own world within them, so SM64'S paintings may have that property.
After seeing Super Mario Odyssey, I thought about Super Mario 64 and ThrowBack Galaxy. Is ThrowBack Galaxy just the same location that SM64 takes you to, but you actually found it without a portal? That would also explain the Bob-Bomb Battlefield easter egg in Odyssey since Hint Toad's map is Bob-Bomb Battlefield.
*But how does Mario get back to the castle when he can't find a star*
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SM64 doesnt even have a painting on the other side though so the theory still stands.
I was still wondering something about Super Mario 64: What happened to the town in Wet Dry World?
Hi. I'm Nobody. Some people say it was an abandoned town and the enemies in there are the ghosts of the drowned people
The town was created alongside the level.
Wait. I thought of something. What if these paintings are actually normal paintings brought to life by magic? It would explain why they seem to be floating in the void, completely separated from the rest of the world. Perhaps the creatures there were also brought to life, and only have memory of the painters intentions? It would explain why most of the worlds are so small and why they're in thr middle of absolute nowhere.
I'm assuming that egad knows how to use time travel (or at least has study a bit of it) from the game Mario and Luigi partners in time.
The Lonley Rose but de need to knwo the Mario timeline for that
He did use time travel in the Luigi's Mansion series. In Dark Moon,he tested Gooigi and sent it through time to the events of Luigi's Mansion 3. So,yeah,he does use time travel.
In regards to the time traveling theory, to answer the issues you mentioned connected with it (such as the disappearing Bowser sub, or the fog appearing only once)... Personally, I think what could possibly match these events best is the "Flash-Point" theory presenting in most any DC's "Flash" comic/media concept. Because my favorite explanation of the "Flash-Point" theory is what happens when you break the sound barrier.
Reverse-Flash: "Break the sound barrier, you create a sonic-boom. Break the light barrier and you create an optical-boom. But break the time barrier, you create a temporal-boom."
^^^In short, while Mario can go back and forth between time periods even in locations he's already been to, effecting that "natural" environment/time even in the slightest of ways still ultimately "changes" it in faint distorted events. Consequently, even if you "revisit" periods of time you had already been to prior, objects that you had stolen from those environments during your previous visit cease being there (such as "Stars"). Also meaning that potentially every single time you "re-play" a particular level/time/place, you are further distorting the events of that "world". Causing things that were once "standards" of that place to have altered in position, timing, and even application!
This would literally mean that every painting/environment Mario interacts with, he is literally disrupting the "natural" order of those places! Granted, Bowser is just as equally at fault for that as well...
Another example of that "disruption" is how coins in those worlds get "spit out"! As an example, there are boxes you can destroy to get "coins"; even supposing you break that box from the exact same location, at the exact same time, from the exact same distance, and even with the exact same attack, the direction the coins pop out from the box still vary every single time! The most sensible answer is literal Time distortions... Meaning, you could almost say that when Mario enters a "Painting", he might as well be interacting with a different "universe" because the sequence of "time" and "events" have been altered each time Mario steps foot in that environment.
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I sort of understand the idea. I can't think of any evidence against it at this moment, but I haven't played a lot of Mario games, and I don't think I've actually completed any Mario games that have magic paintings. Unless Super Mario Galaxy used paintings, which would mean I completed one. I would really like SwankyBox to check this one. If anyone else is reading this, like the comment!
Notice when you pick a star it's in a white void
kid lightning huh
shidro camora yeah
Notice the outro of a swankybox video is in a white void
makes sence
Your explanation for how the paint can preserve moments in time would also explain how it can keep piantas in stasis
Sunshine will always have that special place in my heart from my childhood, same with Luigi's Mansion and that Wario Land 4. The idea and remembrance of the paint has always been a cool concept since you started making theories on them, Swanky, so cool to see more from you and your bud. Keep up the fun, guys. God bless yours and you both! :)
The paintings are portals...........
Mario takes place after portal 2 conformed
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ROM hack portal 64 hmmm
i always just thought it was just a portal to another world. as a kid i never questioned it and never wondered about it.
Mario's universe is so real and surreal, at the same time.
What I think is that the paintings in games such as Super Mario 64 and whatnot are the specific types that are able to change place *and* time. However, the small paintings in Odyssey that allow you to collect otherwise unreachable starts are the types of paintings in that universe that are only able to change space but not tome.
Didn't you once say you were going to do a what if Bowser and Ganondorf swapped video
sonic AND tails fan 157394 yeah he did guess he forgot
Shhhhhh! I've actually been chipping away at it for a few months now! It's unfortunately an incredibly long process!
SwankyBox thanks for the update
Yeah thanks
"You could just say that it's just a game, but what's the fun in that?"
_Sleeping_ Being able to sleep at night is the fun in that.
The concept of travelling backwards in time through wormholes is called a closed time-like curve, these paintings seem to be ctc's,
The ones that transport you through the different levels in mario odyssey are just ordinary wormholes
bowser's sub level isnt a painting so maybe it works under different rules. so when bowser left the basement he took the sub with him.
LoneAlchemist then that means Hazy Maze Cave should also have the same properties, and (as far as I know) it doesn't
Excellent theory as always!! I absolutely love the painting concept implementation that has been seen so much in the series! E. Gadd has always been a suspicious man haha
6:54 luigi i dont feel so good..
*Maybe it's just a video game mechanic*
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There’s one thing though... the bosses in the rematches are a bit different
I think in games like Mario 64 and Sunshine, the paintings can take you back to any time that the paint has existed in that place
That thumbnail..Luigi.. I don’t-a-feel so good..
I think going back to previous missions isn’t cannon.
my mind has been opened again in mario games
So, the paintings use that technology used by Zygons in The Day Of The Doctor.
Never mind the paintings! The top of Bowser’s submarine is wood! explain how that one works
I feel like the paint in Sunshine just teleports more than time travel cause all of those places are connected to the main Delphino Isle. Mario could just sail or walk to them, it would just take to long. Perfect example being the Amusement Park since you just get blasted over to it by a cannon.
3:46 this one revelation made my whole day
My theory is that all of the paintings in Peaches castle were just normal paintings of real locations in the mushroom world until Bowser brought them to life with magic for the sole purpose of hiding the stars in them. So when Mario jumps into a painting he is actually traveling to some sort of pocket dimension that contains a copy of the real place that is depicted in the painting and that is why all of the areas are just floating in the void. And in Super Mario Sunshine and Odessy you are just being teleported to a different location.
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I always thought they were just warps to worlds that already existed, but various stars/shines/moons kinda debunk this tbh so it's possible some of them have an additional layer of light time travel.
Incidentally the personality tests (or "which Pokemon are you" menus) of all Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games look like they'd make for some really relaxing monocolored paintings. Crossover material, right there.
I enjoy your mysterious mind on the 64, Swankybox :)
Have you heard of Radiant Historia? It uses two timelines that both run parallel and intertwine with each other. There’s also a third timeline that uses previous scenarios that turn into what-if scenarios. The main character and a few other characters exist outside the bounds of the timelines and so keep the memories and experiences they went through
I think they work better as alternate dimensions. Using the Multiple Universes Theory, we could argue that the paintings are a portal to said dimensions, and the stars and shine sprites being a way to "select which version" of that universe. Therefore, collecting them would make changes to the parallel universe in which that star/shine is in, and affecting others. That's why some changes, like the fog in Jolly Roger Bay, are permanent, but others, like the Whomp King's death, are not. Things that can travel through those dimensions do not get affected, like Koopa the Quick or Bowser's sub. Moons and stars out of the paintings, or that exist no matter what changes, like the secret stars and shines, however, do not affect anything, since, in said situations, like said, they do not interfere with their world. In the case of teleportation, it's probably a double-way portal, with you entering a random dimension/void, and then coming back to your universe, in different location.
This is also proved in super mario sunshine because with pianta village each shine is leading up to the fluff festival where the 8th shine is a red coin collecting mission of the fluff festival.
So. This theory is nice but I actually would like to share my own theory about the paintings. I think that the world's inside the paintings arent locations. They are world contained by it. A toad in Mario 64 states so. But bowser also does it.(also the description for SM64 in super Mario 3D all stars states that too so it's still canon) He talks about Mario's friends being trapped in the walls and his troops also in the walls. This makes me believe that the rooms that the paintings are in actually don't exist. They are created by magic. But remember that not every level in Mario 64 is actually a painting. Only those with paintings (and Tick tock clock) are actually contained inside the walls. Big boos haunt. Dire dire docks, hazy maze cave and all the special stages besides the acquarium are all locations in the Mario world. Remember that bowser stole the star not to make them collectible but to make it hard to get them. Remember that bowser has the great star that gives him more magic powers. You not only need to count the power of the stars but also bowser powers. It is stated that the koopas have dark magic at their disposal. So it makes sense that they would want the great star to enhance their powers even further and considering he knew Mario could get to him instead of taking the regular power stars with him he created world's inside the walls and scattered the star there. Remember even thoug the world is inside the painting it's still a world this is why things can change inside of them. Oh and in regards to the paintings in odyssey, nobody's saying that those are the SAME paintings from Mario 64, neither are the Ms from sunshine or any other portal we saw in this series. And in regards to throwback galaxy. I'd assume it's just a galaxy that HAPPENS to look like one of the painting worlds. And before you ask, yes I am one of those "Mario-lore" guys that likes trying to find out the lore in a series that doesn't need any.and remember this is just my theory.
Makes sense. Luigi’s Mansion has the Mario painting bring Luigi to something like the past of the mansion where it could have been burned down. Which could explain the burning flames background
The thing I always thought about as a kid playing Mario 64 was what happened to Mario when he fell off of a level and got knocked out of the painting.
My thought here is to cross-compare with the magical ink of the Art in the Myst series, with which one can create or visit Ages which often seem to capture a moment in time as well as a place.
If you’re in the Mushroom kingdom, and go through a painting to the seaside kingdom, your odyssey will be there! So maybe, somewhere, there is another mario jumping around :0
That could be a true theory!
Because, in super Mario odyseyy in one of the levels, you can go to new -dank- donk city in the desert level
And the thing is... when you first enter the world in the game it was taken over, but when you enter it it's fine
And btw later in that place when you get to the world there is a festival with the song that plays and that song plays while Mario is in the festival
Here's my ideas:
1: It could be you hopped into the future while everything was fine
Or
2: They just usually have festivals and the world got taken over by bowser only when the time you entered
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Actually that can be explained. On your way to New Donk City you actually see Bowser heading there yourself and you intercept him. But then he drops you into the lost kingdom with a broken ship while he continues to the Metro Kingdom. So it can be assumed that while Mario was messing around in the lost kingdom, Bowser arrived in Metro and was in the process of taking over New Donk.
Which is why when you arrive in New Donk you can see Bowsers ship still circling around New Donk Tower with wedding ads all over the city.
Its pretty clear that Bowser JUST arrived in New Donk. Since in Tostarina his footprints were still fresh so you guys practically arrived to the dessert at the exact same time and by that time Bowser has yet to arrive to the Metro kingdom.
Djinn Hoopa ohhhhh okay now it makes sense
Thanks for explaining it! Also I liked your comment
'Some could just say it's just a game'
My brain: -in a matpat voice- A GAAAAME GAME. Wait-
I think that the paintings could send you to different dimensions that have minor changes, some so small they are unnoticeable.
I should've known that time traveling was possible through the paintings.
I would say the time travelling part is a stretch, time could pass differently in different galaxies, so mario jumping out and back in immediately, could mean the ship had time to be repaired now that the eel had left, and the tower to be built as it's been reclaimed, selecting old stars like you said you can do in galaxy is just playing old levels again like in any game that would repeat cutscenes but doing so, and involves no paint in galaxy to select old stars
Bowser may not be using the paintings only necessarily all the time hence his sub moving, mario travels between these same worlds or galaxies without paintings and bowser has means of transport with his airships even in space, so him and Koopa the quick could just be world hopping. Think about it, the pink bob-ombs appear in the same paintings, it's not like they exit the paintings, and their canons exist before they show up implying they've been there before, and move back once certain threats have been removed to open them back up
But I wouldn't say the time travelling part is a stretch entirely, because the boss paintings do seem to take you back, except the fights aren't the same but harder and different settings even, so maybe an alternate timeline, otherwise mario could have used those paintings all along to get to those worlds instead of using the odyssey
But the most interesting painting is the one found in the wedding hall, that takes mario forwards in time to the same future but harder fight, and without actually confronting bowser in the hall, even though it appears only after the game and is commented on too by someone for being creepy, implying it appeared after some sense of awareness that mario had already defeated bowser even tho going back to the moon post game he's there waiting again, so how did it appear, who are they, when did they put it there and when did they come from?
look at the painting's borders
when they're golden, even in SM64, it brings you to another world, which could mean gold paintings are simply teleportation paintings
and for the boss paintings in mario odyssey, they are silver, so they do teleport you to a world, but limit you to a certain area of it, which is the boss area
my theory is that the silver paintings are creating an illusion, so it's not the real world you're in
and the gold paintings do hold the power to teleport you to another real world
The mushroom kingdom is out of the ordinary so that might be why this sometimes happens
Maybe the answer to your question lies in the mechanics of Super Mario 64: Parallel Universes. Perhaps each time you enter the paintings you are traveling to a different universe. Things may seem to be either reset or perpetuated by your previous visits, but you are actually visiting a parallel universe where another Mario has completed a different set of tasks which may or may not align exactly with your actions.
If bowser was an external factor, then why can you redo the final boss fights in super Mario odyssey where bowser says and preforms the exact same things? Knowing this, my guess would be the paintings are made to represent challenges, like a simulation (would explain why the rematches with the bosses in SMO are have slight differences compared to the original fights), and maybe the portraits in Luigi's mansion are just simulations of jails, or empty voids made to contain. I mean, the point of being able to rematch bowser in SMO is to re-experience the fight and get a feel for it (simulation, eh?) idk....
But of course, there could be different paintings with various uses like you said in the video, I do run into problems thinking about Koopa the Quick and why there would need to be changes in some past events but not others. Why must making sense of video game lore be so confusing?!
E.Gadd is the true Mario series villain
What if, in odyssey, Mario captures the painting, but Cappy stays with him.
The truth is actually a lot less complicated. Shiggy himself has stated that every mario game is a play. This also explains the friend/enemy status of Bowser.
There's one problem that I can think of with this theory. In all 64 and Odyssey, if Mario time travels back AFTER getting the Star/Multi-Moon, the second time the star will look different, then back to normal in Odyssey though, the Multi-Moon will always be clear. But maybe Mario goes to the time after- wait, that wouldn't work either.
there is a "shoutout for simple jumps" on A SINGLE FRAMES
I think the use of the paint just shattered time itself making it inconsistent
The paintings might like Rosealina have the power to reset time to a sertant point of time, and the painting chooses what point in time that Mario goes to.
I think how the paint works is different in the games.
From what ive seen from the toads in SM64 the paintings ARE the worlds
where in SMS and SMO they are merely transportation methods.
So in super mario 64 i believe the worlds were manifested by bowser, but peach never got rid of them, so thats why so many things from those worlds are things still in the marioverse, things such as whomps and bob-omb buddies. So it could be that mario was BECOMING a part of the painting until he needed to exit, so the painting itself is more of a gateway into its own world.
Whereas in the sunshine and odyssey versions they are portals, id say the portals are working along similar physics to the SMB2 potions, but are more permanent unless removed by an external force
Ok here, Mario and Luigi can survive a lot of things that humans can't. So Mario and Luigi can go through work holes in galaxy. With the paintings there is a certain time set, and they possess the power of time traveling.
I was thinking about Super Mario odyssey and, I thought about how when you travel through paintings, your odyssey is still there. Even though you didn’t travel through your odyssey. So I thought we go back in time when we were there before, or something like that.
The paint is magic, so maybe the ink that Hazy Maze Cave's portal is made from is the paint source?
Something that does not really make sense is in Mario Odyssey, the bosses you fight are not just previous boss fights like time travel, but there is an extra challenge. Like in the mechawiggler rematch, there are two instead of one,so you might actually be collecting a multi moon in an ALTERNATE WORLD! If so, is the original mario in that world somewhere?
I don't think Miyamoto even thought about this nonsense
Maybe the stars where the reason you could time travel and not the paintings since you select the stars. The painting marks the place and the stars the time.
wow well done connecting the paintings in Mario 64 to Sunshine and other mario games got to give it to you that is pretty clever while I don't disagree with the time traveling bit per say I do have an objection if the stars take you to different points in time then how do you explain being able to get other stars that aren't the star that you selected in the first place? I'm thinking in mario 64 not sure if this is the case in other games as well
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You forgot to mention you can go to daytime New Donk City if you go into the painting to get there early, before it's dark and gloomy.
What if Egadd painted them with his Magic Brush from SMS ? I mean, you can transform with it. So why not create worlds or links them ?
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Footage from thwomp mountain erupting from mario and luigi partners in time ds
This looks like a lower or higher dimensional doorway. Where Mario enters a painting (2d) he could select when state he wants to be there, moving across the time axis in the 2d world.
But then again maybe it's literally just a 2d door to different places. Like how whomps fortress is in super Mario 64 and Galaxy. Maybe paintings works like a 2d door right above that place in which you fall to, and since it's 2d it allows for moving in the time axis. Or maybe even a 4th dimensional gate, maybe that would make more sense. What do y'all think??
The boss paintings in SMO also work if you haven't defeated that boss before.
mario odysseys paintings are time travels, because the odyssey is still there in the level
Mario and portal share universes.
My reasoning?
The cake is a lie.
I always imagined Super Mario 64’s paintings existed in pocked dimensions. Perhaps the sought Star within the micro-world changes the area in ways to make that goal possible to attain.
The whole time, I didn't even realize that this was a SwankyBox video.
maxtes252 Gaming ....it....I don't even....it says it at the start.....omg....
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I think that the paintings in 64 have different portals to different dimensions and versions of the level
You're forgetting Super Mario Bros The Movie when they go to the Kingdom in the first place.
Yes, yes we are and you should too. *_Everyone_* should forget Super Mario Bros The Movie.
Not really related to the Mario series, Adeleine from the Kirby series can paint objects that come to life. What if the Nintendo franchises are in fact based in the same universe?
I'm not suggesting Smash Bros is canon to the other games, just aspects of them. Maybe E. Gadd had some technology to discover Pop Star and attempted to recreate the mysterious paint.
Somewhat related. The final boss of Kirby Star Allies is called Void Termina. Termina also being a place in Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Also interestingly, the shape of Void Termina's head is of a heart. The same shape the Majora Mask is.
In super MARIO odyssey at first when you go through the painting to new donk city it’s clear, but when you get there normally, there’s the monster
I finally played Odyssey and because I replayed Luigi’s mansion 3 I kept thinking it had something to do with King Boo for some reason lol
But in SM64 you can actually interfere in some "paintings worlds" depending how you enter them, like TTC or the one with changing water-level (i don't remember the name)
bit late here but my theory is actually much simpler. ITS ALL A GAME.... ok, ok i know you said that but hear me out. miyamoto said something once iirc about why bowser and mario go-kart together in relative peace. he implied they were actors. my theory of this is that mario, bowser and the gang are not only in a game, but AWARE of it. not like how deadpool does but like how actors KNOW they are in a movie or stage performance. its all a show. bowser isnt really evil, its just his role. peach isnt a "real" princess, she's an actress. mario is almost always the lead role cos he's the star. it also explains why mario isn't getting older; makeup and stunt doubles! its a show. a performance. so what about the paintings? well, they take you to the "backstage" access of other acts. it also explains why the boss refights are different. its an encore! a repeat of a past act but pumped up and with some added flare so its a little different. still the same fundamentally, but with a little extra spice to top it off. this is also supported by the paper mario series. battles in TTYD literally take place on a theater stage and on other paper mario titles its also inferred from misc props like curtains and backdrop elements. this solves most all continuity errors and logical contradictions otherwise present (like why they go-kart together still). sure this theory has its flaws, the all will when you look beyond the surface and dive deeper that "its just a game" . while this one may not be the most satisfying i think its also one of the more interesting ones in regards to its implications for the mario universe. is it a live performance or as the player are we seeing the final result after green screens and CGI? what are the "actors" true views on each other? are mario and bowser actually friends behind the scenes? do peach and mario even like eachother? is luigi even REAL?! i personally think this is the best and most interesting theory as it opens MANY more questions than it closes but they are many smaller and less significant ones than the nature of the game's universe itself. anyway, thats my take on it :)
I’m Super Mario Sunshine, doesn’t the news banner have some things (I can’t remember exactly what) that reference the “time-traveled” worlds?
Oh god... Mario doesn't feel so good.
I always figured the power from the stars builds the tower and makes the sunken ship float again. Not time travel
I thought you were going to show us how Mario teleports. Like boundary break.
Wait...so Rosalina has nothing to do with this?
How do the boss battle paintings in super mario odyssey travel though time if there different from the first time you fight?
Julian Delgado its like a revenge sorta thing...just like the pokemon gym leaders in like platinum or whatever at the end of the game
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I personally think that the paintings in general are just portals to certain areas of the Mario World and some paintings do indeed have time travelling concepts. They might be marked with the frames and all that. Like in Odyssey, most of the teleporting paintings are gold framed and the Rematch Bosses are in silver frames. Not sure about the others like Luigi's Mansion but I'm pretty sure the near general use is like teleporters despite 64's plot of Bowser trapping stars in paintings (I think that's it).
this is why mario never ages
It does. Coincidence I think yes 3:46
I think the time travel is correct but in super mario odyssey when you go in to a painting for refighting a boss the boss is harder than befor
So what if we go back to the 2d side scrollers. What if your not really jumping into a void. But a painting that takes you back to the beginning of the level. Ik its a stretch. But that’s why mario never really diesels because the last “life” you have and fall in a “void” it slowly takes you back in time.. if you wanted it to?
Paintings would need some sort of power such as a "star" or "moon" in one side or the other and if you didnt know almost everything in mario games revolve around stars and such things could also be turned into liquid like we see the gold goo in the odyssey and in super mario galaxy but thats what I think
What if the paint is the sane kind of paint from the epic micky games
I think the paintings in sm64 every star is a version of that world for example the first star in whomps fortress there is no tower and he is still on top but in the next star is a different version where whomp is there and there is a tower on top
The submarine moves to Bowser in the fire sea You just can’t see it
I think nintendo do not even mind about how to explain paiting works
Wait,does the 8bit pipes have anything to do with this?