Skaife was the master of the H pattern gearbox in v8 supercars the way he could come off Conrod straight at Bathurst 3oo km/h into the braking area on the limiter then just as casual as ya like go from 6th to 2nd gear i never seen any one else do better smoooooooooooooooooth
nice foot work by Skaify, good as ever. i basically learned how to do double clutch heel&toe by watching his n Jim Richards' back in early 90s when they were driving r32 GT-Rs.
Yeah absolutely understand. Other than braking heel/toe incorporates down shift and not upshift as u mentioned. U blip the throttle to rev match the next lower gear but as soon as ur heel leave the throttle the RPM goes straight down and defeats the purpose of heel/toe. Refer to 0.12-0.16.
yeh it is in the v8sc at least.. often shifting on the rev limiter (7500) and in recent years they have devised a shift rpm-cut attached to the gear stick.. hence, hold foot flat, grab stick and shift.. theyve gone to sequential shifters now, but the same system is still in use for the shift-cut
@vlfreak the older cars had a H box, you can still flat shift as you pull the stick back so from 1st to second and 3rd to 4th, 5th to 6th when he goes accross the box he will use the clutch.
I know this was 8 months ago - but the more cylinders the more friction. if you drop a high comp v8 like this down a gear and drop the clutch is easy to lock a wheel.
Wow thats cool! I race Toyota Starlet GT. Small time race haha. Speed never exceed 200km/hr on track. But I do practice alot of double clutching and heel/toe. Tried left foot braking on my friend's R35 and almost crashed it hehe.
Sometimes I wonder is there a point in heel toe since the purpose was to rev match the following lower gear. However in most race cars flywheel are lightened and as soon as your heel leaves the throttle the rev goes right back down even before you release the brake pedal. And example is on 0.12 - 0.16.
v8sc have auto shift cut on the gear stick, so as you pull a gear it cuts the ign. for a poofteenth of a second to allow the shift thru, without lifting.. neat eh :) a lot of them used to just pull a gear as it hit the rev limiter too
Yeah, they still had it but only on the later cars. Can shift on the limiter if you time it right and/or use enough force. Dunno about you guys but I miss the old H pattern box in racing these days :(
no...the puropse to heal to is to avoid engine breaking...u are right when u said u have to match revs but that is done because if the rpm drops too low the engine compression will lock the rear wheels...and since all the weight is on the fronts whilst breaking the real will lock and spin when u leave the clutch...if the blip is done right the revs are high enough to avoid locking. so it is not just done to match the revs...but infact to avoid the rear end locking up...i race cars myself btw.
holy shyit!.. I always knew they were good though lol. i'm canadian so I get to watch stupid nascar/casrcar/indy/irl etc. i'm a huge fan of european racing though :D
uhhh mate, left foot braking is just a test to see if you still posses brake fluid pressure so you know you can go harder for longer before slowing down, i.e. you know your brakes aren't gunna fail.
How is he upshifting without putting the clutch in? Its not SMG so he must blip the throttle and slam it in gear. I used to do that on my bike when dragging
Well i;m not really a hobby race....more serious about it...i race formula cars and endurance stock cars in the JK-Tyre National Racing Championship (India)....i have tested F-BMW asia cars...but luck driving...no sponsors...just like many drivers around the world... :(...so wat do u race...?
Skaife was the master of the H pattern gearbox in v8 supercars the way he could come off Conrod straight at Bathurst 3oo km/h into the braking area on the limiter then just as casual as ya like go from 6th to 2nd gear i never seen any one else do better smoooooooooooooooooth
nice foot work by Skaify, good as ever. i basically learned how to do double clutch heel&toe by watching his n Jim Richards' back in early 90s when they were driving r32 GT-Rs.
The master at work.
Yeah absolutely understand. Other than braking heel/toe incorporates down shift and not upshift as u mentioned. U blip the throttle to rev match the next lower gear but as soon as ur heel leave the throttle the RPM goes straight down and defeats the purpose of heel/toe. Refer to 0.12-0.16.
yeh it is in the v8sc at least.. often shifting on the rev limiter (7500) and in recent years they have devised a shift rpm-cut attached to the gear stick.. hence, hold foot flat, grab stick and shift..
theyve gone to sequential shifters now, but the same system is still in use for the shift-cut
@vlfreak the older cars had a H box, you can still flat shift as you pull the stick back so from 1st to second and 3rd to 4th, 5th to 6th when he goes accross the box he will use the clutch.
I know this was 8 months ago - but the more cylinders the more friction. if you drop a high comp v8 like this down a gear and drop the clutch is easy to lock a wheel.
Wow thats cool! I race Toyota Starlet GT. Small time race haha. Speed never exceed 200km/hr on track. But I do practice alot of double clutching and heel/toe. Tried left foot braking on my friend's R35 and almost crashed it hehe.
Bathurst on Sunday - awesome.
Sometimes I wonder is there a point in heel toe since the purpose was to rev match the following lower gear. However in most race cars flywheel are lightened and as soon as your heel leaves the throttle the rev goes right back down even before you release the brake pedal. And example is on 0.12 - 0.16.
v8sc have auto shift cut on the gear stick, so as you pull a gear it cuts the ign. for a poofteenth of a second to allow the shift thru, without lifting.. neat eh :) a lot of them used to just pull a gear as it hit the rev limiter too
Racing cars is my dream
Yeah, they still had it but only on the later cars. Can shift on the limiter if you time it right and/or use enough force.
Dunno about you guys but I miss the old H pattern box in racing these days :(
Murph blips the gas pedal when downshifting, also at 1:04, Murray Walker!
@vlfreak Not when this video was made. All the cars had an H-Pattern gearbox at this time.
murph is good one to watch
@vlfreak why this type of stuff isn't in street cars this would be cool
yeah that part is vital
no...the puropse to heal to is to avoid engine breaking...u are right when u said u have to match revs but that is done because if the rpm drops too low the engine compression will lock the rear wheels...and since all the weight is on the fronts whilst breaking the real will lock and spin when u leave the clutch...if the blip is done right the revs are high enough to avoid locking. so it is not just done to match the revs...but infact to avoid the rear end locking up...i race cars myself btw.
Aaron D' Souza don't you mean if the engine rev is to high .
Nice Pumas
Yeah, in 2003, Murph put the car into 1st gear instead of 3rd.
FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Wow what do u race? I am a hobby racer myself I dun compete in any major race. I get ur point though. Or rather we both has got a point here.
@andrewdoyle88 they have a way different gearbox set up to a normal car.
Oh by the way I did say "the following LOWER gear" in my 1st post. =D
cool
holy shyit!.. I always knew they were good though lol. i'm canadian so I get to watch stupid nascar/casrcar/indy/irl etc. i'm a huge fan of european racing though :D
uhhh mate, left foot braking is just a test to see if you still posses brake fluid pressure so you know you can go harder for longer before slowing down, i.e. you know your brakes aren't gunna fail.
Greg Murphy doesn't use the clutch on upshifts or downshifts.
is it normal for racr car driver to clutch shift without releasing the gas?
This is Australian V8 Supercars Mate. ;)
hehe man this is an old vid, i should upload some better res footage of more current stuff :)
How is he upshifting without putting the clutch in? Its not SMG so he must blip the throttle and slam it in gear. I used to do that on my bike when dragging
andrewdoyle88 sequential gearbox
2006 Clipsal 500 Adelaide
@vlfreak Cuts off the injectors rather than ignition.
holdens and fords are taxis mate. DTM is where its at
That is Adelaide
who says race car drivers cant do ballet?!
me three
it really hard! I want auto is better.
lol
Well i;m not really a hobby race....more serious about it...i race formula cars and endurance stock cars in the JK-Tyre National Racing Championship (India)....i have tested F-BMW asia cars...but luck driving...no sponsors...just like many drivers around the world... :(...so wat do u race...?