ECU ChipPower GS2 Installation & Test Honda Civic MK8 VTEC 1.8L

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  • Decided to try a plug and play ECU ChipPower, made by GS2 which I bought from Amazon for here: amzn.to/3SsvYUf
    The unit came with harness which you simply connect to the existing car ECU sensor plug to allow connection to the module, installation took only 10 mins.
    The module has an adjustment screw that the instructions advise to turn 6 times, then drive and test, if no noticeable gains, then turn another 6 times.
    Improvements I noticed was a the lower end, it removed the flat spots and pick up was better, with smoother gears changes as the revs did not drop as rapid.
    All in all a good buy for the price, especially as they offer a 30 day money back guarantee! / @grooveon I really hope my content helped you, 'Super Thanks' is available by clicking the button under the video thanks so much ! ❤️
    Alternatively, you can just buy me a ''thankyou'' coffee!: ko-fi.com/groo...

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  • @TheAncientMarinersBlog
    @TheAncientMarinersBlog 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I installed one of these GS2 boxes in my Peugeot RCZ 1.6 Petrol and, after 200 miles and with no screwdriver adjustments, I am very favourably impressed. The car may, possibly, be a bit quicker through the gears, but it is definitely much smoother (especially up to 2500 rpm) and fuel economy appears to be about 5mpg better on a motorway run at 60mph.
    You are not going to shake the earth for £81, but I would certainly recommend this unit as a simple, cost effective and refreshingly impressive upgrade on a mid-range car

    • @andywrollo2915
      @andywrollo2915 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Possibly 😂😂

  • @chocobloco214
    @chocobloco214 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome video will be installing on my 2012 civic t.i 1.8 r18z4

  • @marcothorsen950
    @marcothorsen950 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Gains ?? Rolling road figures ?

  • @man0litor
    @man0litor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Soon I will post a video on how it works on a Dacia lodgy 1.6 109hp stock

  • @edwinodigie5533
    @edwinodigie5533 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank you for quick reply.

  • @jamesgormley6392
    @jamesgormley6392 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi. Enjoyed the video . I never knew how simple or how easy it was to fit and increase the performance of your car. It was very informative and I loved how pleased you were when you over took the Austin Martin on the motorway with a cheeky little laugh as you did it. That Made me laugh to just by your response. Lol 😄 i didnt have any idea that cars could have improved performance simply with a plug and play device such as this. Now that i've seen your video I'm looking to purchase the same device for my peugeot 208 1.6 petrol car. ⛽️ decent price to. And Great video to. 📹 thumbs up from me.

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi James thanks for such kind words it's always really pleasing to see that my videos help people, that's all I ask! 👍.

    • @tounyax
      @tounyax ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All this chips are fake..you are trough your money to the rush 😂😂

    • @andywrollo2915
      @andywrollo2915 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@GrooveOnHelp waste money

  • @lovepreetkular2264
    @lovepreetkular2264 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Brother this 1.8 there no power vtec
    It has economy vtec works from 1500 to 3500 rpms, this vtec makes it 3 valve per cylinder
    After 3500 2nd intake valve opens up too and makes it 4 valve

  • @jellybaby7
    @jellybaby7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Positives: may feel better throttle response as its like driving on a cold day=engine breathes better
    Negatives: 'cheap' chip boxes simply put the airflow sensors into choke mode creating a permanent rich mixture, not good for the engine long term, less mpg & may mess Mot emissions, wouldn't want my car in cold start mode permanently but hey ho

    • @arturaspf2566
      @arturaspf2566 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually yes and no. For naturally aspirated engine yes, because engine cant get air from somewhere and compensate for rich mixture elimination, so these chipbox just tricks MAF sensor into thinking, that he gets more air and then ecu adds more for fuel but cant add more air. But suprisingly for turbocharged/supercharged engines these chips could work. As I unerstand from my knowledge, best if those chips connects to MAP sensor. They create opposite effect - it weaken signals from MAP sensor and sending lower boost values into ECU, and then ECU think that this is as boost leak and send signals to the turbo vestgate/supercharger bypass valve to allow more air for compensation. So at moment you run very lean due more Air, but overtime O2 sensor and MAF sensors will comepsate and adds more fuel. But yeah, if car have only MAP sensor its bad and o2 sensor isnt enough to correct A/F ratios well without MAF. Also, if MAF sensor or O2 senor go faulty with these chips, then you increase MPG, decrease HP and decrease engine life very soon.

  • @leftfootforward1181
    @leftfootforward1181 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just got a 1.2 tsi dsg Skoda yeti and wanted a little more power through mid range, would something like this have any adverse reactions to the engine/turbo?

  • @mesutylmaz7096
    @mesutylmaz7096 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 2000 Model W210 E270CDI. 170PS. There is a suitable chip model in my vehicle. Is it possible to increase power by +15 PS?

  • @flyingvking1983
    @flyingvking1983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hi groove on, i like your videos, i have been looking into buying onebof these, but for fuel ecconomy, have you noticed an improvement?
    i drive nicely through the country everyday and im getting 50.07 mpg from my 1.8

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi there, put it this way, the mpg hasn't gone down and you get more power so it's win win. I wouldn't say its massive economic gains but it's still worth it. I have used more expensive brands like race chip but on other cars, they have three options in performance

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Matt , how did you get on? P.s. Thanks for enjoying my videos, I like to help people keep it straight forward, what aspects of the videos do you like? Thanks

    • @flyingvking1983
      @flyingvking1983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi, I didn't actually go for one in the end as I'm only really interested in increasing my mpg, so as I've just brought another 1.8 civic I'm using some injector cleaner, engine flush, new air filter and now I'm replacing all my bulbs for LEDs, as in the winter I drive to and from work in the pitch black so I'm hoping to make an improvement there, let alone much better vision 👍

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@flyingvking1983 nice work, p.s. I found that my led headlight bulbs have some interference to my radio, just to let you know.

    • @flyingvking1983
      @flyingvking1983 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah cool that's worth knowing, is that because they have fans on them?

  • @gjagun
    @gjagun ปีที่แล้ว

    Niiiice… so hows the car now a days? Any problem or something….
    Just ordered 1 😎
    Thanx!

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hi there, all good, no issues, I think it idles sometimes a little lumpy, but thats it

    • @gjagun
      @gjagun ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GrooveOn Hi, Im in Biiig trouble… the socket don’t fit (above the air filter)
      What is the exact model number?
      I just ordered the brand but I think its not for civic 2008 ☹️
      Hope they will replace the right one

  • @pavelislam
    @pavelislam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, I liked your videos. My Honda Civic ES 1.8 drive 280-300 miles for 45 litres which I think not economical at all. How can I improve mileage? Do you have any suggestions?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for the kind words. The MPG I get is about the same, I actually thought for a 1.8 Vtec its not bad ! It all depends on the type of driving, i.e. urban, highway etc. I know when I drive from Scotland to London I can get mid 40's mpg.
      As for the device making a large saving in fuel, I would say its minimal. If you want to see better mpg, you could look into a proper ECU map tune, that will be your best bet

    • @pavelislam
      @pavelislam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GrooveOn thanks for your quick reply. I highly appreciate your suggestion.

    • @abdichow
      @abdichow 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GrooveOn where can u get the eco tune done?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@abdichow you can use the company's race chip, or remap kings

  • @pierfrancescomacchivideoma7953
    @pierfrancescomacchivideoma7953 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi. Thanx for this video. Noticed less gas used in the long term?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No not really any difference

    • @lyonhartgreyflag
      @lyonhartgreyflag 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Heat wise? ​@@GrooveOn

    • @lyonhartgreyflag
      @lyonhartgreyflag 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@GrooveOnI also hesr it reeks havoc with milage? 43 to 39 mpg?

  • @Laroxia
    @Laroxia ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey my Friend, until 2 months you got no problems with the Chip?
    Greets from germany

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi there, no issues at far, no warning lights!

  • @zenali279
    @zenali279 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loving the vids on the civic, I got a 5 door semi auto 1.8 iVtec, is yours manual? I heard the chip works with all types of gearboxes

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey there, yes you have the same car as me! 😁

  • @mesutylmaz7096
    @mesutylmaz7096 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ich habe ein 2000er Modell W210 E270CDI. 170PS. In meinem Fahrzeug befindet sich ein passendes Chipmodell. Ist eine Leistungssteigerung um +15 PS möglich?

  • @AndreiGheorghe-df3wl
    @AndreiGheorghe-df3wl หลายเดือนก่อน

    but if you were to get another civic and not still own the unit, would you buy it again? or is it not such a change to feel it is missed.

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  หลายเดือนก่อน

      If I got another Civic I would go for the type R I think

  • @trollzsn
    @trollzsn ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello me again, sorry but just had another question. I've been having some problems where I don't know what is good to turn. I've been having an issue where everytime I gas even very little the revs just shoots up way too quickly and I just don't feel any torque. Is it I need to turn clockwise or anticlockwise? I've tried both ways but I'm not sure which even helps. Any help id appreciate. Keep up the good work. Your videos have been very useful.

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว

      So when I read the instructions that came with mine it states anti-clockwise and to do six turns at a time and if you go too far your here a click and then you'll be back at the start.

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว

      If you still have issues make sure you don't put the key in the ignition unplug the unit and plug in the original maf sensor. I will do quick video to explain, so if you have subscribed and hit bell you will be notified mate

    • @trollzsn
      @trollzsn ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GrooveOn thank you! Definitely turning on notifications

    • @trollzsn
      @trollzsn ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GrooveOn really appreciate you actively replying. Absolute lifesaver

    • @trollzsn
      @trollzsn ปีที่แล้ว

      I think my original maf sensor is messed up now because I've disconnected the whole unit and it's still the exactly the same, is there any way to reset it or do I need to get it replaced?

  • @edwinodigie5533
    @edwinodigie5533 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    from your video it was only installation without turning, i bought the same product , first drive without turning, second time i decide to turn it fully. Since then show the motor code light from my dashboard. What can i do to resolve the problem. i would like to hear your comment too.

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In the instructions it mentions about the exact point you raised, they advised that you turn back the screw until you get the point that you have no faults and best performance.

  • @andywrollo2915
    @andywrollo2915 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Plugs into the mass airflow sensor which does f all. It's not the ecu. Don't waste your money.

  • @mrflauschig8024
    @mrflauschig8024 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What you think guys. Will it work on my ford puma year 2000? It has 1.7 125ps without a turbo and automatic. Would be great for answers. Thank you all 🤔👍🏼💪🏼😉

  • @theemjay
    @theemjay ปีที่แล้ว

    You didn't mention the mpg difference. Do you recall what it was?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi There. I think the Honda Civic has incredible mpg already it doesn't matter how hard I drive her I seem to get 35mg up to 50mpg, even in heavy traffic. Put it this way is had not got worse !

  • @ForTheLoveOfCarss
    @ForTheLoveOfCarss 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you think this has a negative effect on engine and gearbox reliability?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not at all. Cars are manufactured to accomodate all levels of driver good and bad, as well as all climates. They go by a middle ground, so these devices give you the little boost you've been looking for. I would always recommend altering the ECU to give you the performance and better economy.

  • @raimandooo
    @raimandooo ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, I wanted to buy this chip power GS2 for my honda civic 2012 vtec 1.4 engine, do you think it is worth it for the 1.4 engine model? As I find it a bit slow sometiemes. Also, do you think it can harm the engine for long term? Im not crazy for speed but i just wanted a little extra power, not necessarily for fuel economy. Thank you.

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi there, 2 good questions. In regards to the performance increase I would say its around 10% so hopefully will be the same for your 1.4. I have different cars that I have had properly mapped via the ECU and I have no concerns on damage to the engine, because you need to remember that cars are made to be used in lots of different countries with different climates and with different criving styles. Therefore manufacturers will use a 'middle' ground on the ECU. So in other words, get the most out out of your car! the cost of the GS2 is a lot less than a full ECU map so why not give it a go!
      The link in my description is for your car: amzn.to/3SsvYUf

    • @raimandooo
      @raimandooo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GrooveOn thanks a lot for the reply!

  • @stevenwells1881
    @stevenwells1881 ปีที่แล้ว

    These also do just an obd connected one so no need to mess about in the engine, what would your opinion be on an obd one?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว

      There have been a few reviews on these so called OBD plug and play devices, none so far show any gains, I would be weary. The one I used is no harder than plugging in the OBD its just the plug at the top of the engine. good luck

    • @mattburrows2615
      @mattburrows2615 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/zx8fywphQp0/w-d-xo.html

  • @CorvoMr85
    @CorvoMr85 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Da che lato và girata la vite. Orario o antiorario? Grazie

  • @naymo1
    @naymo1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did you have to drive with the box on for roughly 200 miles before noticing a difference?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It drove for a bit, and it started to get better, yes

    • @naymo1
      @naymo1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GrooveOn I’ve just put one on my diesel so hoping it gets better the more I drive it🤞

    • @Bosanac-bosnjo
      @Bosanac-bosnjo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@naymo1gib antwort what have you now

    • @naymo1
      @naymo1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Bosanac-bosnjo zafira tourer 1.6cdti and after driving a couple of hundred miles and a little tweak it’s got far more power especially in the low-mid rev range👍

    • @Bosanac-bosnjo
      @Bosanac-bosnjo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@naymo1 👍💪

  • @user-vk3sh9pd2p
    @user-vk3sh9pd2p 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi,do you have for Subaru legacy 2.0 2011 automatic

  • @mimmochiavello6054
    @mimmochiavello6054 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ciao come faccio a fare il reset

  • @Bezsenny82
    @Bezsenny82 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @GrooveOn isn't there any fault shows on dashboard?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nope no faults, just make sure you leave key out of ignition

  • @gjagun
    @gjagun ปีที่แล้ว

    Niiice… so, more HP? Top speed?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is definitely an improvement, I wouldn't know specific numbers, but smoother between gears and bottom end pick up is better👍

  • @mortezaafkhamipour2737
    @mortezaafkhamipour2737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello, I want to buy a GS 2 for 2000 CC Toyota Corolla, how much horsepower do you think it will increase, because my car has 143 horsepower, and also I installed a cold air intake kit, and it has improved, as well as the gas pedal commander pc 55.
    Thank you

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Many people ask me, all I can say is if I disconnect I notice the car is more sluggish

    • @RV-vo7dx
      @RV-vo7dx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hello, did you installed? I bought for a RAV4 2.0 2018 and expect to install it these week
      Any review or experience?
      MAF sensor is ok? Any check engine light? Thanks

    • @mortezaafkhamipour2737
      @mortezaafkhamipour2737 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RV-vo7dx Hi unfortunately it didn't work for my car and I unplugged it after 300 km

  • @filipbolanca7979
    @filipbolanca7979 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much horse power and torque have you gained from that?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's tricky to measure exactly, but for the price I think it gave some gains.

  • @cekfabiano8407
    @cekfabiano8407 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ciao sul mio golf 6 GTI il PDF che mi hanno mandato dice di girare la vite in senso orario

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว

      That's interesting, did you try it and see?

  • @user-ze6ji1ll8p
    @user-ze6ji1ll8p 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want to buy it, Do you think it's good?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi there, I get asked this a lot, there is definitely a difference when I disconnect and go back to stock which I show in this video that may help you. th-cam.com/video/Qci5tbwoZ3w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bWkndYC8CbhE5JfE

  • @swiftpanos
    @swiftpanos ปีที่แล้ว

    I assume that the box reads the flow and commands the ECU to give for example +10% gas from the injectors, is that correct? I have an injen cai plus a cat back system from FN2 installed (also lightweight pulleys) and I thought may give it a try.

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว

      Well my mpg stayed the same, it improved the lag I felt

    • @swiftpanos
      @swiftpanos ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GrooveOn Nice. I see that is the same for Accord (web site shows the same)

    • @swiftpanos
      @swiftpanos ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you think the OBD version would be better or the same?

  • @Ermin-ni7ng
    @Ermin-ni7ng 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I buy it. Have the same civic mk8 1.8

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi there try searching eBay mate

  • @90nadz
    @90nadz ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I get this chipped for my 1.4 civic Type s?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi there, here is the one for your 1.4L car mate. amzn.to/3SsvYUf

  • @bob27knox41
    @bob27knox41 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We’re would it connect on a seat Leon mk2 p1

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Usually it will go in between the ECU

  • @bartholomewrickyandersonda3459
    @bartholomewrickyandersonda3459 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does anyone know if they are available in the U.S.?

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm not sure, have you checked eBay

  • @MrlowkeySir
    @MrlowkeySir ปีที่แล้ว

    Would it work on a 1.6 ivtec

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว

      So long as you get the version for your car yes

  • @lyonhartgreyflag
    @lyonhartgreyflag 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was told these make your engine overheat due to not enough fuel is this true? After a year how does it feel?

    • @marcothorsen950
      @marcothorsen950 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It will fck your engine up..

  • @ADAMLFC92
    @ADAMLFC92 ปีที่แล้ว

    What did you plug it into initially? Maf sensor?

  • @EMC2AlbertJans
    @EMC2AlbertJans 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got a whopping 100hp difference blown up my 100hp engine oh no

  • @olimilsom4449
    @olimilsom4449 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Chances are theres very little improvement apart from throttle response. I have a tpw Merlin tuned ECU on my 1.8 civic and it gives you downshift blip, launch control, overrun crackle(pop & bang) raised rev limiter by around 200rpm & 1-1 throttle response. With that and a k&n cai it is around 150bhp now . The Merlin remap cost me 300 quid soo it wasn't cheap and new they are 500 . But next thing to do is cat back (+4-7hp) and lower it a bit (won't handle like a boat anymore) Apart from that not going to make it much better without doing a fast road cam (+10hp) or turbo(+100-120hp without doing much internally) but yer the i-vtec actually is only on between 0-3500rpm or not under load... it being on means it's actually in eco mode (3 cylinders/ opposite to proper vtec) I found this out after buying one so I was a bit gutted. My old st170 focus MK1 felt alot quicker cos it had vct (variable cam timing) and although the imrc units were not the best design it did kick in nicely around 5k. Makes you just want to rev the nuts off it mate.. haha

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice work, I did the ECU proper tune on an Audi TT, Range Rover and Merc and the difference is night and day! The little mod I tried was okay for the money though.

  • @blakes7460
    @blakes7460 ปีที่แล้ว

    would this work on a mk9 1.8 ?

  • @man0litor
    @man0litor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    On my knowledge there are no round about in the United States

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      wow really?

  • @OCANALDOMARKITO
    @OCANALDOMARKITO ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fake products brother

    • @hondamanvtec2894
      @hondamanvtec2894 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How do you know that ?
      R18 engine can easliy be tuned
      Better gas response
      More air and burning more fuel
      Taking you from 142.7hp to an 155hp
      Drop in an sports filter and you got around 160hp
      And now you got an car that can do 0-62mph i under 8 sec

  • @EMC2AlbertJans
    @EMC2AlbertJans 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rediculous
    Just buy a turbo car and chip it you will get a whole other car back
    Like easy 110Nm and 30hp to 50hp
    This so called tuning or whatever is what 5hp or minus 20hp it is useless 😂

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have other cars, this is my commute car

  • @jackdearlove3422
    @jackdearlove3422 ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s he on about vtec lmao they ent got vtec

    • @alexkidd93
      @alexkidd93 ปีที่แล้ว

      They do

    • @jackdearlove3422
      @jackdearlove3422 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexkidd93 mines 1.8 don’t have vtec pal

    • @johnstones5765
      @johnstones5765 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have this car ... they are not true v tech engines... its a economy engine this guy is un knowledgeable

  • @paulmcbride8164
    @paulmcbride8164 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    buy a bigger car

    • @GrooveOn
      @GrooveOn  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ha! I have a Mercedes 3.7L SL the Honda is just for commuting !