Lobotomy Corporation - All Abnormalities Tier-List!
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Honestly I’d argue about Blue Star. While yes, when it escapes it’s basically a guarantied day restart. However in a facility with at least one maxed out employee and decent ego gear he won’t even escape in the first place due to his easy to maintain nature.
You make a fair point with that! While it is easy to keep contained, it's also very easy to accidentally let out, in my experience at least. Specifically on the Binah suppression, when she does her mass meltdown, someone has to go in and take care of Blue Star, and almost always the high level employees would be suppressing her or other escapees, leaving some poor employee to be fed to it to at least remove her counter. Plus, should you have it paired with someone like Nameless Fetus or Army in Black, that's just even more fuel to the fire of an already painful day. Although I definitely agree, Blue Star itself is not hard at all to keep contained, the requirements are pretty lenient, and you have multiple failures before he will actually breach. But man is that escape something else...
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Hehe Hod Supression go brrr
@@jacknoir4289 You can say that about Red Shoes that is.
not guarenteed, just likely because he never appears where you want him to
@@jacknoir4289 hod suppression rematch go wry
CENSORED is unstoppable when it has 2-3 minions walking with it ,because fear damage is really strong at that point.
Very true, I remember one of my poor employees walking into the Central Command Department and instantly losing their mind because not only was CENSORED in there with two minions, but it was also in the midst of finishing off a third employee... needless to say, things can get out of hand if you aren’t quick to suppress.
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@@DualBlades a single minion with cencored deals 100% of the agents sp and makes them panic instantly. if not stoped before 1 is eaten its close to over
wrong, a lv5 employee(lv4 would go insane from just cencored) will lose 60% SP on seeing cencored, and a minion does 30%, so 2 minions required(source, the wiki)@@jeffery_barron64
I accidentally picked the "Everything will be alright" and had to sacrifice one whole department to just learn that there is no way to saving the one who is put in there.
Literally the exact thing I did haha. At least you were smart and did it all at once, my genius intellect compelled me to restart after **every** death... Needless to say that was a pretty long-winded way of finding out the Abnormality just killed employees for literally no gain other than a bit of energy.
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@@DualBlades Imagine if we got one of those head blow-dryers, but it was We Can Change Anything, so it just... you know... Iron maidens your face. Lmao
Btw if you have The dev armor the dude with it in Everything will be alirght will be forever stuck there but for that sure 100000 pebox since that would be fair/
I got Everything Will Be Alright as my very first abno in a run once. I literally had to sac all my employees to meet that first qota
Don't you only get items on multiples of 4?
Recently been using The Snow Queen and I would say it could be in the "Very Helpful Thank You," considering the fact rescuing gives the guarantee gift of +6 hp w/ +6 sp. If ya set up your prep-training right it's a free 24 stats a day w/ 2 people.
I could see how that would be a cause to put it into the helpful category for sure. Unfortunately, while I was doing my let's play on here, the gift that it offered was clashing with another gift in the same slot (though thinking about it now I can't actually remember who's gift it was), and so none of my employees except for one actually ever got it haha. I definitely think that the stat boost is worthwhile, and totally think had I done that myself my opinions of The Snow Queen would have been more similar to yours.
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Wait it can be stacked?
@@Juan-wy3qj It can't. OP meant that, since the gift gives 6 points to two stats, and two workers get it at a time(the frozen "princess" and the "Hero" both get it), it gives 24 points in total, 12 across two workers.
@@Late0NightPC however it also makes the second employee stay there until the day is over they are just afk
@@Herib104wat? You never tried rescuing them?
I get most if the things on this list, however something to note about heart of aspirations is that it's worded oddly on the wiki and what it means is; an employee will die if you return it within 30 seconds or if you haven't suppressed anything. It's LITTERALY FREE STATS as long as you don't return it.
Oh shit, that's a whole lot better than I had thought it was. I had thought that Heart of Aspiration was another one that'd kill you if you wore it for too long, but that's clearly not the case. Thanks for pointing that out!
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I hope you have a good day too dude.
i probably have like 6 hours of time used on aspiration because you just slap it on and forget about it, its so nice lol
It also doesn't melt down for as long as you have it. So there is never a reason to return it. xD
doesn't it kills you after a while if you don't supress anything? just like the other one with sp
I love how Queen of Hatred is like all time community's favourite. I know she is really annoying but god I do love her.
I can't count how many times she gave me exactly 15 PE. And yet, whether early or late game I'd prefer her to most others - nothing beats a (sometimes) friendly wipeout beam. Still regret the one day I accidentally mem-repoed her.
She requires a whole new way to manage your abnormalities by having you start work with her, and once you get her to 16+ boxes, you intentionally set off the meltdown, so when she goes down from hysteria she will immediately get back up since you already succeeded her work check. And I feel this is intentional as I have yet to notice any other abnormality that has a really lengthy work finish animation with the kiss blow.
As someone with a QOH pfp on every social media platform on, I can confirm this.
You can cheese QoH by working on her until you get near 16 boxes, before having someone work on something else, causing a meltdown/ordeal during which she goes back to normal.
Funny enough, I was told that during my let’s play here on TH-cam, and for the life of me I could not figure out how to get it down haha. I would always time it so far off that I’d screw myself over and cause a suppression that led to a day reset. The easiest way of handling it in my opinion was given to me by someone watching as well funny enough. Basically you just go through with execution bullets before working and take out a few clerks, then you work like normal and she doesn’t escape since they count as deaths for her total. That was my easiest option anyways, I can definitely see that working for people better at the timing than myself haha.
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@@DualBladeswelp tbh your strat is better overall has Mountain of smiling body is a aleph that is as dangerous as a waw or even an he like its so god damm easy to supress then there big bird that just wow such great design can escape easy but you can up the counter those 2 have dheath in play but since exécution bullet are the best in the game you mostly use them so why not abuse them
Enjoyed hearing your thoughts on these - I put Hell Train at Unstoppable, maybe Very Hard, if only because of the mental strain it puts on you having to remember to go there. It CAN help if you time things well with it, but the added mental load it adds just really builds up as you go further and further and a single slipup could wipe out a department.
I can definitely see Hell Train higher on the list, since you're absolutely right, the mental strain and constant attention you're almost forced to pay it starts to add up the longer you go. Especially if you're unlucky enough to get it early on in a fresh save, where you have no protection against the black damage and the amount of small things piling up makes the tasks feel impossible. All it takes is one slip of the mind and you've suddenly lost an entire department after all. It's quite unforgiving with its rampage.
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I dont find train dangerous just bc im ALWAY trying to know where pepole are irl by sound or just straight up imaginating the speed the person walk so im just aware about anything but i do understand otherwise
An hour of rating monsters for a game I know nothing about. Lets do this.
That’s the spirit!
Honestly I’d recommend checking the game out too, although I’m heavily biased because I actually love the game (in case you couldn’t tell). Maybe you’ll enjoy it too!
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If you have all level 5 employees, Blue star is good for wiping out clerks
If there’s one thing about Blue Star I’ll never get sick of, it’s watching the hoard of Clerks floating across the screen into it haha. Definitely one of the cooler Death Animations the game has, aside from maybe Knight of Despair.
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@@DualBlades hmmm kinght of despair but im kinda scared to fight since it does good P damage and im dont like it im dont love 1 of my dudes getting half of hp and then dies im .... kinda wanna secure Kinght more then the Queen of Hatred why? since Queen of Hatred have to charge its attack Unlike Kinght its giving more time to damage Queen of Hatred on its back whale its damaging...Nothing! its kinda funny but kinght again im Scared to fight so im have an op dude aginst that bitch he is very holy op XXX at all stats how?M O D S im only have one but after knowing one console command im have A LOT OF XXX DUDES
EVEN OP ONES WITH OP MODS WEAPONS AND ETC
Yea, but what about abnos that activate their ability on deaths?
@@ReflectedOcean Idk They are Dangerus
but if you saw im have mods on the game so im should be fine with having No damage (kinda nothink there,Whilth Night are kinda deadly)
Best part of Blue Star is if they breach, then Mountain of Smiling Bodies is harmless when they Breach in 5 seconds.
(My current run has both. Biggest difficulty I was having was Queen of Hatred getting out until I figured out that they are one of the few ABNOs that recognize Exe Bullets. Until about my last Mem Repo, I also had to deal with Silent Orchestra and Little Red Riding Merc while farming Orchestra's E.G.O. so Mountain and Army in Black got out all the time)
The behavior adjustment does have some downsides if the employees panics they die and it also slightly lowers prudence’s also blue star’s ego heals everyone’s mental hp that’s in the room
I'd forgotten about that haha, I think that might be because I never really had a problem keeping the employees sanity though. I would typically throw it onto someone with very good gear (either the Paradise Lost or Twilight set, sometimes even Blue Star's suit and Censored's weapon combo) so they wouldn't ever really be in danger of losing all of their sanity. Paired with the blessing from Knight of Despair, the downside becomes almost nonexistent.
Blue Star's ego is also pretty decent, but not enough for me to like the Abnormality any more haha. It's very slow, the range isn't the best, and the SP healing is pretty low at that, not enough to really rely on at least. These are just my opinions on it, I definitely feel like the suit is the better speaking point for Blue Star, the .4 resistances are huge, especially since most other ALEPH gear only has 1 with a .2 and the rest are .5 .
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You can stop parasite trees possession by clicking, id say its actually only as bad as train
Meat lantern can just screw you over
it can literally spawn directly outside its own container and instant kill the person who worked on it and you cant do anything about it, absolutely terrible
Otherwise more or less agree with everything
That's true about the Tree, but I couldn't tell you how many times I got invested into something and lost count of how many times I'd worked, only to turn around and find my employees had been getting sucked in for blessings. Plus, on the final day if Parasite Tree is in your facility, you literally are physically unable to click them to stop the summon once the facility starts to move. I have no idea why, but I tested it out three times while playing on my own and lost employees to it every time. Quite a pain I must say.
Meat Lantern I remember sucking, he would pop up right before an elevator and an employee would pop through before I could realize and just be melted by it haha. It is what it is, luckily it's not too high of a Danger Rating, so you don't **really** have to work with it, so it's easy to forget about and not have issue with.
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I don't understand how parasite tree is hard. It gives a clear indication on when it uses its ability and then you just find the employee and click on them a couple of times. The only scenario I see where it can be annoying is during the hokma suppression because you have to camp it since you can't pause to find its prey.
It becomes extremely difficult for people like myself who are extremely bad about getting sidetracked and distracted from things haha. Any of the constant attention abnormalities were cruxes for me, WhiteNight was (at first, I learned that lesson VERY quickly), Parasite Tree, Burrowing Heaven, they all seem to just be the one thing I cannot keep up with while playing that game haha. It does have a very easy tell when it's going to murder all your employees, and also when it's summoning, but for me at least it was more a matter of remembering to actually go to it and check the status after assigning works. Especially when I'd give out like 5-15 jobs for the employees to grind out energy. That's just my personal issue with it at least, and one of the main reasons I physically cannot stand to have it in my facilities anymore. It really is probably one of my most lethal abnormalities that I've had, and BlueStar literally wipes out entire departments.
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Heart of aspiration is actually should in helpful category because even though its only features that are adding +10 max hp and +10 attack speed to the wearer, it's only drawback is IF you press to return and wearer haven't attacked anything and wore it for less than 30 seconds then wearer will panic and start a massacre. I mean only player can trigger the drawback.
That's true! Honestly I just think that the item doesn't really offer any benefits that are worth potentially dying over. It's also annoying in the fact that it can cause deaths in employees if you end the day before the requirements are met. I had several poor souls lost to that little slip-up on several occasions. It is definitely entirely player based for the downside though, unfortunately for me I'm just not good at managing it haha.
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I think that little red riding hooded mercenary is really useful, it practically never escapes and can be payed to eliminate other targets in hard situations so you have less things to take care of. And it is pretty strong for a waw so it can compete to other hard waws that escape.
I think she definitely has her uses, but the paid suppression (from my experience at least) causes so much collateral damage it almost isn’t worth it. If you have any abnormalities tied to death from employees, they’re almost bound to get out with the amount of damage she does. Plus while she does handle some of the pretty well, a lot of the tougher abnormalities you would want suppressed can easily kill Red before she gets a chance to help, so overall she’s just a bit eh in my opinion. Definitely useful, but not overly helpful.
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im aggred with ya since whem it escapes it attacks the closes one to it so it can fight ANYBODY
she very much will escape if you have to do the abnormality suppression missions, or if you're farming a breach-prone abno like silent orchestra 😔 I kept having to force her to breach intermittently while farming him because I didn't want to contend with both of them at the same time.
@@DualBlades Then again, you could Commision her to suppress something (i.e: Mountain of Smiling Bodies), then call the rabbits on both. If the Rabbits focus on the other Abno (Smile, in this case), the latter gets killed. The Rabbits also die to Little Red (collateral damage) so you also get their EGOs later.
Though this would require a bunch of RNG (rabbits can hit Little Red) and may end poorly (Smile gets a ton of bodies).
@@DualBladesred riding hood dosent need to be supressed if paid and dosent lose qliphot counter while being worked on or being paid to supress i even find it that if i would have wolf or red i would almost alway go for the other they are such a great combo together idk why its suposed to be bad if they are in the same facility then if your good at the game pg /WN bc he going to move them away from each other the game say its a bad idea but in my opinion its better whit both together
Blue Star is a glass cannon for sure. Pretty much guaranteed fatalities but never my kitted-out agents, and goes down relatively quickly with pale damage. The most annoying part is that the department it breaches in is random, so agent placement means jack squat.
Yeah I definitely agree, the clerks were almost instantaneous, and any Employee in sub ALEPH gear would be absorbed in about a minute, which was never enough time to track down and kill the damn thing. Especially since you have to sift through all your employees and only send the non-white damaging ones. Just obnoxious and causes SO much heartache.
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Funnily enough, I’ve had clerks survive Blue Star breaches and just go about their day. I think only one department lost all of their clerks lol
Oh, neat! Won't offer a point by point opinion on all abnos (I mostly agree with ImNotAyin anyway), but here are some comments.
Big Bird is not actually that bad, the timing on the hypnosis is fairly forgiving and it goes away when you leave the affected department. I think your bad experience is mostly due to Big Bird (as I recall) being stuck to the end of the Records Department in your facility, meaning everybody had to run across a long corridor to get hits in, and then had to retreat the same long way to get away. It's far easier to deal with if you have it in one of the smaller departments where microing away from it is trivial, making it actually a pretty ideal first WAW for the upper layer.
Doing my boy Blue Star dirty smh. He's very nice for an ALEPH! As long as you have a maxed out guy working him (which you should anyway when working most ALEPHs), he's not going to cause trouble barring exceptional circumstances. Sure, he's annoying in breaches, but who cares when he doesn't really do that anyway.
CENSORED, on the other hand, _can_ be a pain if it escapes. Sure, it's easy if you have your A-Team there to trash it, but if you ignore it long enough that it can spawn a bunch of its minions, there's trouble. See, both CENSORED and its minions cause Fear Damage (which is a percentile of total SP) independently, and actually count higher as an ALEPH for Fear Damage calculations, meaning even max level agents will take Fear Damage from them (Normally, an ALEPH has a 'Fear Rating' of 5, but CENSORED has 8 and its minions 7, making even level 5 Agents lose 60% SP from CENSORED and 30% SP from each of its minions). Basically, if it gathers a squad of its own, anybody entering the same room as it is just going to go instantly crazy. Execution Bullets are your friend here, as always. I have to give LobCorp kudos for being _the_ best game I've ever played when it comes to being thankful for the ability to kill my own guys for convenience.
The train is the worst.
Leatitia is a good girl who hasn't done anything wrong in her life. Putting her anywhere but 'VERY HELPFUL THANK YOU' is a travesty.
I won't argue the positioning of WhiteNight, but I will comment that unlike the other attention tax abnormalities like Parasite Tree and TRAIN, he's actually way worth it, even if you don't suppress him for his weapon. Paradise Lost with WN in the facility is just _that_ busted.
Also, good to see You're Bald at its rightful spot :V
I agree 100%. A *_lot_* of our trouble was solely from the fact that we had such a long way to enter and leave his area of effect. Either being forced to wait for him to leave, or what usually happened which was the employees run after him to get some damage in as they leave work, and I can't pull them fast enough from the records department before they get _MUNCHED_ into another realm. Curse you structural designers for making these corridors so dang long!
But he's so unbelievably busted when he gets out :( . I mean the facility-wide clerk lossage is such a day-ender alone, if you have AiB, MoSB, QoH, etc, the clerk massacre can simply force your hand for a restart. I do agree though, for an ALEPH he's not hard to keep contained at all. In fact, you almost have to try and let him out, he's so forgiving and has a pretty solid meltdown counter. Plus the gear is good, that's worth mentioning.
He's annoying, I entirely agree, but he's one of the few I almost never worried about escaping either. The few times he did we had a few panics when employees entered the room, but even then when we came to suppress they would typically be restored fairly quickly. The Fear damage really is his kicker though, and assured SP percentage just from coming into contact is annoying, to say the least. Especially if he happens to wander into the room as your trying to evade him, or it breaches just as they've finished working and are instantly thrown into a panic. I do agree, the fact that there's a special allotment of murder-tools at my disposal does make it almost fun to kiss goodbye to the trouble makers of the facility haha.
Why??? Are 50 HP and SP healing **sometimes** not worth the murderous trail left by the train in the form of 100 Black damage?
Too much Annabelle vibes, 0/10.
Paradise Lost makes it worth it 100%. The extreme resistances are just too good to pass on, even at the expense of working with him every now and then to keep the counter up, which by the way only take a Good or Common to increase. Though a single lengthy distraction is all it takes for 12 guaranteed deaths and waves of breaches on top of that.
Truly the scariest force to be reckoned with... I shiver at the thought.
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Admittedly I feel like I would set up this very differently as I find that I weigh abnormalities that escape without constant baby sitting far more than the ones that if they get out you resist. Like blue star I would genuinely put in “happy to have” because it really isn’t that hard to work on. Probably the more extreme one that I feel like Im always happy to have is white night despite being one of the more demanding ones simply because even if I didn’t have to constantly be working on him to prevent a breach, the benefits he brings make me wanna work on him as much as possible. Just by having him in the facility it super buffs his armor and weapon let alone that every good you get on him fully heals everyone in the facility. Someone who I would rate as “I never ever want you” is the train and the queen of hatred for similar reasons. They require constant micromanagement with nowhere near enough benefits to justify how frustrating they are to contain with both having massive aoe horizontal attacks. And unlike white night who has a lot of wiggle room for errors those two all it takes is one slip up and a bunch of your agents are dead
Monk is very annoying, because every time *anything* bad happens - clerks will die, and monk will escape like you don't have anything else to distract you from boredom. He's fine on his own, but he always escapes at the least convenient moment imagineable to make things worse. Like - somebody escapes => kills clerks => monk escapes => kills more clerks and releases more abnormalities => now you have a really bad time. Also if there is QoH in your facility along with the monk... Good luck keeping both at bay, because if one escapes - another one will as well
Little Red Riding Hooded was actually really clutch for me against Gebura. I used her to trigger the third phase to avoid the massive damage that she throws out, which turned out to be pretty critical when I was around two hours into attempts.
There is one amazing use for don’t touch me. If you crash the game with it you keep whatever unique PE boxes you generated that day when you retry the day.
This can be abused to safely research dangerous abnormalities, since you can just crash the game if you fail and keep your research progress.
Really? Wow that is a pretty huge use for it. Grinding out something like Melting Love's gear with that method would make life so so SO much easier, so thanks for letting me know! I'll definitely have to give that a look here when I come back to the game.
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@@DualBlades you too, hope it helps!
Maybe I'm just very good at making sure I know where it is, but since Don't Touch Me is always immune to meltdowns (because interacting with it just ends the day), having it around is actually great for the endgame because it can eat meltdowns same as We Can Change Anything. Having less shit to worry about during the last 5 days is a godsend.
Additionally, if you have WhiteNight in your facility for endgame, everything going to shit usually involves WN escaping and WN disables the main menu, meaning you can't restart (and have to wait for the 12th apostle to amble their way up to One Sin)- Hey, good news, pressing the button means you can start over right away! It's also a quick and easy way to let everything out for the Red Mist Battle Royale, though the shelter's obviously better at that.
Your standards for this list were super weird. For some of the abnormalities, you ranked them based off of the assumption that you already have S tier gear and employees. But for others, you took into account where the player might actually be in terms of facility strength. I think that probably skewed the rankings a bit.
I’d agree, but honestly this list wasn’t for super accurate ratings to begin with, it was mainly done just for fun because I wanted to haha. I’d say if there was an all encompassing “standard” for rating them, it’d be with the mindset of “how much or how little do I want you in my facility in general”.
I definitely agree that the changing factors between some abnormalities could have caused some skewed results, but then again if it’s in terms of how much or how little I want them around, I’d say it’s pretty spot on. In my opinion at least, at the end of the day that’s the great part about tier-list videos, you get to see everyone’s input on the same thing you did.
Thanks for commenting! Have a fantastic rest of your day! Hopefully I cleared up a bit of confusion and made the rankings more understandable and less weird haha.
For some of them it's extremely hard to get information on before they kill half of your employees. Others it's extremely easy to get information on, but practically impossible to stop.
I consider Big Bird to be one of the more negligible waw abnos because of how exploitable it is, but it's ability to get out when too many clerks die has the annoying side effect of locking you out of one department while having to clear out every other danger.
How Big Bird works: When he does his little jingle, somebody within the blackout department will be marked. If they are marked and in front of the bird, they will die. If they leave the department the bird is causing a blackout in, they will lose the mark and be safe. If they stay too long, they'll be forced to walk toward birdbrain and kill themself.
How to totally own Bird Boy: Send your warriors in to fight him, when he jingles quickly pause, see who is marked, grab them and send them to any other department, put them back in the bird's department. Next time he jingles, he'll mark the same guy who just re-entered. Repeat this proccess. Obviously this is rough to do with a chaotic facility, so you simply leave the bird for last and avoid the blackout areas when possible.
Nothing fills me with more joy than reading an entire explanation on how to absolutely decimate one of my least favorite abnormalities.
That sounds like an extremely easy way to handle it, though I was under the impression that the mark lasted even after they reentered, leaving most of my team out of the fray for the duration of the fight once they got marked. Though I also had a large issue with Big Bird always choosing to mark the employee in the process of meleeing him at close range and would get an insta-kill off on them, which was an immense pain. This does make me excited to get him again though, to try this out and see whether or not things are easier than they were haha.
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@@DualBlades I had the same issue, where he always seemed to pick employees in melee range for his 'nom. Learned the hard way it is better to just rely on ranged-only workers to take him down. At least then you get a bit of time to micro them away.
Considering he is WaW, and has fairly good stat training for everything but Repression, and his gift is really solid, he is one of my favorite ones to get. Really the only downside he has in my opinion is being part of the Clerk Lives Matter squad like Army in black or Monk, but you seem to really like AiB so that likely isn't much of a downside
I just got him and I'm still fairly early on and you saved so many of my employee's lives (and me many restarts) !
I would put la Luna in very helpful because her ego is very good, and she is very easy to get pe boxes on.
La Luna is pretty cool, just in general not even including the EGO gear she has. I’m serious when I say, my favorite thing to do would be coming to the realization that all hell had broken loose, and then sending an employee to serenade the facility with a farewell tune before resetting the day haha. Well that and background music for fights, basically I used it for the memes and that’s about it. The PE boxes were very useful, especially in the later days, you need so many and she’s a very easy source of a fair amount for her level. All in all, definitely a cool abnormality!
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I would have put the train much higher on the list. That thing is so annoying ! No matter how many times you tell yourself to send someone get a ticket, you will eventually forget about it and eat a train to the face at the worst possible time. I had to hire a 1LOB rookie and station them right next to the train just to avoid constant disaster, and even then it's not a surefire way to deal with it, because ordeals can mess him up just when your entire staff is busy containing some unspeakable horror miles away.
I think I only had the train for about 6 or 7 episodes at the end of the second season here on TH-cam, and I only had it escape twice. Once was during a Midnight Ordeal, which nearly evaporated every employee I had sitting inside an elevator, and the other time was at the beginning of a day when it DID actually kill a solid amount of employees. Overall, it's annoying, but really any character you have in semi-decent gear should be able to tank the hit. Though I will say that I was also hyper-focused on sending people in since I had too much on the line to let it out haha.
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I would definitely put Express Train to Hell at unstoppable. It has the same problem Flesh Idol has where it fucks up your whole day if you forget about it, but instead of only being relevant when it has a meltdown it is relevant 24/7
Year+ later, and as dumb as it is… Queenie is my favorite abnormality.. I shouldn’t like her so much but I hold a degree of affection for the disruptive magical girl undergoing an existential crisis.
Also fuck meat lantern, and fuck abnos sigh “your stats can’t be this high” caps atleast with SSW its easy to kill and won’t instakill your employees. I think you need justice or prudence 1 to safely work with meat lantern.
Correction meat lantern hates temperance.
i know its old, but really i dont see how heart of aspiration can be annoying, just give it to someone and let it be like this, free hp and attk speed buff with no negative points, cause u dont need to return it at all
I think that big bird is pretty easy to contain, I just had to be carefull of attack it form behind with my most powerfull agents and thats it
Blue star is also pretty easy, well yeah when it escape is a insta day restart for me, but... it just happen one time and since i just had an agent for it and i dont have problems
The radio one is my favorite to train justice, but yeah is super annoying when it escape, still my must have in the first floor
I think that my biggest issue with him (that likely skewed my rating but it is what is it) was the fact that I got him in the very end of the Architecture team my one and only time having it in my facility. All of my employees would run down the hallway to attack him, and by the time they got there they'd be enchanted and unable to leave. I'd then wait for him to come out, but just as he'd enter the new area he'd do his possession again, eating all my employees... it was quite the grueling time when it got out.
I agree, most of my reasoning for Blue Star came from all the things that could let it out rather than actually doing it on your own. Binah's Meltdowns caused issue, Nameless Fetus caused issues, AiB caused issues (as much as I like the Abnormality, it still was annoying here and there haha). All of these things together would work against me in letting it out, and once it did there really wasn't much that could be done. Granted a lot of these were worst case scenarios, but things happen that you can't really account for. Unlike say Nothing There and Melting Love, Blue Star really has the capacity to wipe the entirety of a facility, rather than a department or two. Just my two cents.
I really liked the Justice from 1.76, like a whole lot. I still think my personal favorite Justice Trainer was Der Freischutz, just because he's pretty easy to get early on, and has little to no requirements that can't be easily beaten. Overall just a very good Trainer, though I agree, very early into a new game I'd definitely go for 1.76 as early as I could just for the bit of extra preparedness for the long run.
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The other trick about Big Bird is that its possession fades when a marked employee leaves the department it’s in. Now, this makes them into a PATHETICALLY easy suppression since they have no other way to damage employees. Even during Hod’s suppression, which was on the day I got it, I noticed its pathetic inability to do harm to anything but clerks in an instant, when I panicked as one of my employees got marked and had them make a mad dash from Chesed’s area to Tiphereth’s department. Fighting him on the corner of two departments and diving between them when he tries to entrance anyone makes him impossibly easy to suppress, as he basically only becomes an HP sponge.
The final managerial tip even tells you that his mark fades if its target leaves the area Big Bird is in. Sure, it’s gonna kill all the clerks of the department it broke out in, but beyond that, it can’t do much more damage alone. Key word being alone. Its ability to force you to drop everything else makes suppressing anything else into a massive pain.
Big bird, on this scale, places as a major annoyance for me.
Since he mentioned it was in the *Architecture* team, you can't really leave the department which is a pretty big issue there
iirc you cannot enter or exit the architecture team during day 46-50, whats inside stays inside and vice versa. Makes big bird a pain to be sure lol
@@lolwutman ah, that changes everything, then.
@@DualBlades At least we can get great Sesame Street jokes from Big Bird, just defending the street, "saving" people... hanging out with rudolt-I mean Elmo.
If you added in some kind of "Always insta-grab" tier, I'd happily put the Backwards Clock in there for one reason. It can cheese Binah's suppression with the pillar meltdown.
Though I think Black Swan should be in Just annoying tier at most. It works differently than most abnos, with how rather than having a Qlipoth counter of 5, it has 5 "Switches" that must be flipped. Each brother has a specific trigger, and when that happens, it ticks down, but then won't tick down if you trigger it again. So you need to trigger ALL 5 of it's requirements or else it won't ever escape(ignoring stuff like Red clowns that can manually let it escape). That means you need to, in a single day, get a bad work result, get a normal world result, let 5 clerks/workers panic, 5 more die, and also let 3 abnos escape. Not only are two of those impossible to get if you just don't work on it, even if you do I rarely ever find a day where it gets both a normal and bad work result. At worst, it ends up with only 1 counter, which then just becomes "Don't work on it, and keep someone nearby to stop red clowns" and it can't really do anything.
I'm surprised to see someone else agree with me on Little Red though. I genuinely can not think of a single time where her bounty feature was useful in any form, since the cost is way too high for anything weak, but anything high level will either kill her easily, or she can barely even scratch. She really messed with all my attempts to clear Gebura's missions, and even in late game with a guard with .5 red resist right outside her door, she would regularly nearly kill them and require me to use 3+ red shield bullets on the tank while everyone blasted her from behind. 30 damage to your units might be a lot, but 30 damage to abnos with several thousand HP is nothing...
Same with Nothing There. I put Alephs into two categories, "Sleeping" and "Hostile". Sleeping Alephs are ones where they basically do nothing if well managed like Blue Star, but on escape are a day-reset, while Hostile you need to be constantly checking up on them all the time like Mountain of Smiling bodies or Army in Black. Nothing There is the epitome of Sleeping. If you have the workers to regularly keep him happy, then he is basically not a factor, but if he escapes, you better pray you either are seconds from finishing or have Backwards Clock. Which pretty much boils down to two factors. Do you have a good red resist Ego, and do you have a worker with 5 in Temperance, Fortitude, and Prudence? If yes, then he barely matters, if no, he is an utter nightmare.
I ran into the same issue with Void Dream, though I think I found a solution. For some reason it only let me wake up those perma-sleeping workers after I wake up all clerks that have been put to sleep. It doesn't exactly "solve" the problem, since you still need to locate all the sleeping clerks first, but it at least helped me avoid a day reset or two.
Though I'd still push Flesh Idol down to Take the Day off. Not dealing with a qlipoth meltdown costs you 20 energy per cell that meltsdown. So assuming you are able to get every single other meltdown in time, that only puts you "behind schedual" like 1-2 work periods. I really can't think of any time in my facility where one work period's work of energy was the make or break. Flesh Idol is useful in some niche situations, and at worst it is a mostly free ignore.
In basic scp classifications:
Unstoppable: Apollyon
Really hard: keter
Difficult but manageable: keter-euclid
Just annoying:euclid
Take the day off: Safe/thaumiel
Very helpful: thaumiel/safe
Love this haha.
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I'd say Apollyon/Archon
@@toneon4289 When'd that get added ?
@@blastfurnace8644 past summer or spring. That clasess means that one of them uncontainable or better not to contain and second is the one that will destroy the universe no Matter what. Like 008
@@toneon4289 Wait what ? Wasn't Apollyon the End Of Existance class ?
fun fact: the yin yang dragon can glitch the whitenights appostles out of existance
It's actually funny you mention that, because I definitely totally 100% did not attempt to use Yin and Yang to insta-win against WhiteNight. Absolutely totally not.
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For an abnormality where the entire gimmick is just "don't touch me" it's surprisingly really hard to not touch.
Researchers note is good for whenever you forget to do queenie's around the clock 3 clerk execution, just slap the note on someone with high temperance and most of the time they can increase her counter although is risky
Wow I hadn’t considered that, I imagine going for Researcher’s Notes, along with some solid Temperance boosting EGO could ensure a success in there. Might be worth trying out on my own! I’ve got another facility right now just for fun, it’ll be fun to try it out!
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@@DualBlades it still isn't a guaranteed counter increase but its still a good fail safe when you forget about queenie like I have a tendency to do heck I have a tendency to forget about borrowing heaven and having to not look at the bloody eye in a box sometimes
I could not tell you how many times I let that left for work assignment and all of a sudden half my facility is on a pike in the hallway. Plus Parasite Tree, the game sure loves Abnormalities you have to constantly give attention to huh.
A lot of people use Theresia for QoH, but on my first run having the Note right before drawing QoH let me keep going with no breaches from her.
Very very very late commenting but i am just now playing more lobotomy, I would argue that Fairy Festival is either “Take the day off” or “Very helpful”. When resetting and starting off, it’s a non-escaping energy farm as it’s so easy to get a full result. I personally just set one employee to work with it and then it’s effect is completely irrelevant. Otherwise, love the video, loving watching the series, keep up the good work!!
idk jack shit about lobotomy corp but it looks interesting. nice to hear your takes on this stuff
Well thanks for taking the time to watch it regardless haha. It's definitely one of my favorite games of all time, so if you're ever looking for a recommendation for something to play, this would be what I'd suggest!
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Right now i need to pick between queen of hatred, red shoes, and parasite tree.
So far none of my chosen abs can breach (i do have the woodsman, but as long as i dont bother him when he is having an existential crisis i should be fine)
Those three choices however can all breach, I also don't have a WAW class yet.
What would you do? @dualblades
I feel like picking the shoes here is the cowards way out, and i'd love to get some WAW gear.
I also learned of a trick for queenie, apparently, if you trigger meltdown mid therapy session, (ideally once you already got 16 PEs), that work session can itself increase the counter back to 2. (I have a guy with 5-temperance, as a result of the intense PE farming i sent him to do with the woodsman)
I think imma go with queenie, but do you think this is a mistake?
It's an interesting choice you've been given for sure! My first question would definitely be what day are you on, and whether it's your first time playing the game. I think if I were in your position, and was starting a brand new file without any gear past HE, my choice would be Queen of Hatred. The reason I ask is because there really is a severe difficulty spike with Queen of Hatred if it's the first major breaching abnormality you see, which might make things difficult for you. Having good gear alleviates a lot of the pain, but even with a lot of my departments decked out in top tier gear, an escape from her led to a *LOT* of deaths, and almost always a reset. The Red Shoes are extremely easy to manage, they have a decent HE gear with them as well, and I wouldn't call it a cowards way out at all if you're just getting into things! Hell even if it's not your first time, Shoes are an easy choice for a easy progression forward. Parasite Tree is just annoying overall. I had a harder run of things with it just since it's pretty easy for me to get distracted by other things in this game, so it's counter slips my mind and next thing I know I've got a hoard of tree people wanting to know why I abandoned them...
I have actually heard of that trick, and it's a whole lot harder to actually pull off than it sounds. At least that was the case when I tried it out, unless you're just about to finish, the work still gets the penalty applied midway through. You could be doing great and be halfway to perfect, change to the meltdown, and suddenly only receive bad results from then forward. I'd still say go for it though, might've just been a case of bad luck on my end haha. If you want my advice, if you've unlocked the execution bullets, the easiest thing to do is use a few of them to pick off some of the clerks between meltdowns, since they still count towards her death total! Super easy, made my life SO much easier when I was told about it.
tldr: I wouldn't say it's a mistake at all. I think it's the best option if you really want to step into the pain that is Lobotomy (and also get a firsthand look into why she is my number one most hated abnormality). Gear from her is excellent, making a lot of lower level suppressions a joke, and also is an easy source of Pale damage early on!
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@@DualBlades I believe it was day 13, Im not sure if i was insanely lucky, but i basically had 8 non breaching abs (plus 2 tools)
The trick was indeed tricky, but in the end I figured out how to do it properly, having a 100 success rate V temperate dude helped a lot.
Funnily enough the very next day i get to pick between Skin Prophecy, Flesh idol, and the Crazy Notes.
The notes may have been buffed cause the wiki says it's now a +20 success rate, which would completely negate queenie's hysteria state. I find the image of both the interviewer and the interviewee going mad hilarious.
I think im going to risk it and go against your tier list and pick the notes, if only for the memes.
@@DualBlades And yeah this is a fresh file, but i like going into a game being spoiled. So I'm probably slightly more knowledgeable about the mechanics than most noobie.
@@DualBlades yep, the notes did it, I don't need to do the trick anymore (i mean i probably should still, but eh).
Put the notes right next to queenie too.
I hope i did the SCP foundation proud today by using one scip to contain another.
@@willferrous8677 Good thing to know about the notes! I personally only barely touched on them because I didn’t find them to have much of an impact, but it’s good to know that the buff from them is actually very useful at time. Especially against the Queen, boy that would’ve been nice to have tried haha.
I try not to go into games knowing anything, but usually I can’t help myself and will end up spoiling it before reaching the end because I can’t stand suspense and mystery, at least not when I can find out the resolution haha.
A great service indeed, truly the spirit of an excellent manager! Utilize the pain to suppress the pain, just wait until you try the backwards clock. Truly the single best abnormality you can get hands down.
I’m posting in this comment section bc I am stuck repeating day 7 and I am weeping openly atp. I’m very new to the game and I’m just learning the ropes, and on day 7 I got scarecrow searching for wisdom, and every time I’ve tried to work with it, it has either killed someone, or breached and killed someone, and I’m tempted to just leave it alone but I’m scared it’ll flip tf out if I leave it alone. What do I do???
Fun fact, I got blue star as the first thing in my training department, then I got parasite tree right below blue star?
Don’t press me is honestly a mix of either take the day off and unstoppable but it has ONE niche use.
Making the Gebura suppression turn into Pokémon. You need shelter to make it work but yeah for me it’s take the day off and very helpful SOLELY for that suppression.
What?
@artsyvids2563 the shelter is "march 27th" and anyone that goes in cannot die, so during the gebura suppression you throw an employee in there. The shelter also slowly releases all of the other abnos. So instead of the fight being your employees vs gebura, it's the abnos vs gebura.
@@psychtration2287 You can also use Don't touch me by clicking on its log button in containment to instantly unleash EVERY abnormality at once so you don't have to wait for shelter to kick in.
I think a lot of these I would say are easy to manage IF you have good gear and they don't escape. Blue Star is always a breeze for me, but that's cause I've never had it escape. I'm sure if Blue Star got out I wouldn't even try fighting, it would be an immediate restart lol
Army in Black with no-clerk mod?
Very easy yes
Army in Black with clerks?
An absolute pain in the ass, you have to waste so many bullets for each ordeal.
While containing it is not hard, it usually breaches at inopportune moments making it Really Hard imo.
I have to say, I just started playing recently and don’t know a whole lot about all the abnorms. But the Mirror was SO helpful. I managed to get it as the 4th pick in the Information team so I could start jumping stats around, made it really easy to get at least 3 employees to Tier V stats. 10/10 would recommend early game. Even late game it’s nice for new employees if you need to jostle around stats a bit.
Well first I’d like to say welcome to the fantastic universe that Project Moon has created! I think you’re in for a good time with the game (and the sequel too should you choose to play it)! I think I didn’t get the mirror until my second play-through, and I’m not going to tell you why it became less important because I am not sure how far in you are / what you do and don’t know, but at that point I’d already acquired something that made it trivialized. I can totally see it being a huge help though, especially on a brand new first save file. Some stats are just so hard to train, namely justice and temperance, so having the ability to grind up your fortitude to crazy levels and then swap it for Justice is insanely good. Late game I’m a little less on the Mirror train, but that’s only because by then all it takes for a stat to go up is heavy investment into training that employee with an abnormality for the day and you’re fine. Just my opinion though.
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Got up to day 39 on my first serious run. Slowly painted myself into a corner. So many abnormals that were wth until figured out and then turned ez. The button. Schaudenfrad. Singing Machine. Crumbling armor. Others. First real pain was Parasite Tree. Every fifth interaction had to be with it. Used one person. Major wth moment when I picked Melting Love. Discovered if I sent in a newbie during meltdown they went insane and i would smack some sense in them and they weren't infected. Next major wth moment was the damn train. It got a place in my cycle of five interactions along with Parasite Tree. At this point I realized I had a shortage of high level employees. Only about 10. I kept ending the day before the dawn ordeal. Next came Queen of Hatred was beginning of the end. Didn't have execute bullets. Tried to interact with it when it was changing was 50/50. Final nail in the coffin was Big Bird when I already had Punishing Bird and Judgement Bird. Could never get to day 40, and started over at day 1. If Queen of Hatred didn't cause a restart, Big Bird did when it caused the forest event.
Notes from a crazed researcher are pretty underrated IMO. They are invaluable during Malkuth and Hod suppression since in both cases your base success rate is pretty low because of their handicaps. So when it comes to fighting meltdown on the Aleph you REALLY want to keep in, every % is invaluable. Also better rate nets you on average more energy, so that's cool
level 5 got blown up by punishing bird
I completely agree with "Just annoying". I think the Silent Orchestra ought be in "Really Hard" Schadenfreude needs to be in "Take a day off" cus you just have to not get how he works to lose anyone.
There *IS* a downside to Beviour Adjustment, actually there are multiple downsides
If the employee's SP hits 0 they will die
If ordered to return the tool within the 30 seconds of having it on someone they will panic (just like with Heart Of Aspiration)
And also it decreases the Prudence (SP) by 10
The SP hitting zero is the only true downside I'd say is worth mentioning in my opinion, since the less than 30 seconds would only be a consequence if it gave a negative affliction to the user, like the cross or the Heart of Aspiration, where you actually have to DO something before returning it. I never had any employees die while using it either, but I also almost always had it on someone with the Da Capo gear so it wasn't possible to meet that requirement anyways haha.
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luminous bracelet is not that useless tbh, you use it when you want to send a lone agent on a multi anomaly assault or when you do constent fights with him so he heals.
the downside of your guy dying is only active if he heals for too long while at max hp.
so you use it usually on your strongest Guy when you need to do multiple fights and he can't heal normally in between fights. just don't forget to remove it at the end
nah man it actually heals you once when you pick it up and then does absolutely nothing afterwards aside from kill you.
My favorite anomaly is The Button.
Do not press The Button.
In favour of Old Faith and promises you technically could start the day by having an employee with a strong weapon work on them and if it's lost then retry and do it again so it technically could be an outright good thing for difficult days if you're willing to play around with rng for a while.
About heart. It kills agent only if they return heart without fighing someone. It has no time limit. You can just pick it up and wear till the end of the day
My opinion - Blue Star isn't that bad. That's why: it will be unstoppable only if it escapes. It has Qliphoth counter of 2 and you can't easily lower it - if you'll just send level 5 workers on meltdown - everything will be fine. You just must watch other things, that might lead to It's escape, like Red Ordeals and meltdowns. And that's it. Blue Star is very hard in supression, but fairly easy in contaiment - just send to work only employees with level 5 Wisdom and level 3 Temperance. Even EGO is great, all of it - weapon, suit and gift.
Anyway, thank you for this video mate - i'm only starting to play Lobotomy and IT'S really helpful. Great work!
It's true! Blue Star gives very good gear for your trouble, and the movement speed alone from the gift makes that worth getting as well. The big issue I have is just all the small things that can let it out, the ordeals can make it a hassle, the meltdowns as well depending on if you even have an employee available. It's all just adding to how annoying it is, and when it does finally breach it's a nightmare. Almost every clerk will die, so you lose the benefits of your departments, you're bound to lose any low level employees, especially those who might have weaknesses to white damage in their gear. Just very, very, VERY annoying haha.
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I'm trying to get into this game, it seems really fun but I was turned off of it from how rude people are to the people who learn about the game from item asylum.
Fuck those people, get into the game-- it's great. 10/10 recommend. And, while it might seem like a lot to learn (at least when taking it all in through a tier-list covering EVERYTHING), it really is pretty easy to pick up.
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Just a question, where would you put The Red Mist and An Arbiter? And the different entities of the ordeals?
That's a great question! So I would definitely say that between the two, An Arbiter is infinitely harder than The Red Mist. There are a couple main reasons for that, but just to set the mindset going in, The Red Mist is actually really easy if you've got the right stuff.
I'll start off with The Red Mist. Overall I'd definitely say she's a pretty difficult encounter in the game, but at the same time, she's not nearly as hard as some of the other mini-bosses that you have to face. The main reason for this is definitely the point in your playthrough that you'd encounter her. Unlike An Arbiter, The Red Mist is fought relatively early in the game, being the (potentially) fifth Sephirah you encounter, and then the 5th meltdown you try and undertake. The main difficulty with her is the sheer amount of power she has in her attacks, ill-equipped employees suffer instantly and can be taken out in a swift 5 minutes into the day. I think what makes her so easy though is just the sheer amount of ways to cheese her fight. All it takes are two abnormalities for a guaranteed victory. Shelter From the 27th of March, and Blue Star. By sending in a single employee for the day of the meltdown, and making filler employees man the stations of the other departments, you can send the solo into the shelter, release Blue Star, and have dinner while it does all the work for you. That's what I did the first time I had the fight, and that was before even realizing that it was a strategy haha. That's just one of many too, basically, all it requires is some means of easily releasing a high damage, high durability abno, and you've basically got it all settled in the end. If we're going by this, I think I'd put her into the difficult but manageable tier. It's an annoying setup you either had to have known going in, or have gotten lucky by picking the correct abnormalities for, but it makes the fight a joke. However, if you go by the way it's intended to be, I'd definitely move her up to Really Hard. She packs a punch and completely obliterated my strongest employee in a single swing (I definitely recommend checking out the Gebura Suppression video, it's actually pretty funny), and her movement around the facility makes it a pain in the ass to track down and finish her. Overall that's my opinion on The Red Mist.
When it comes to An Arbiter, however, the only real category that I see fits is Unstoppable. I am not lying when I say that her fight might be the second hardest in the game, potentially even the first depending on how White Night is feeling at the time. The meltdowns, the impenetrable armor, the pillars across entire corridors and departments, I lost so many employees the first few times I truly thought I'd have to wait until the very end of the game when I had god-tier weapons and armor to even stand a chance. Not to mention the fact that you not only have to fight her normally the first time, but
**SPOILERS AHEAD**
You have to do the entire fight A SECOND TIME WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO PAUSE ON DAY 49. Taking an already difficult fight and making it truly impossible. The only reason I walked away with a win was because she got stuck in a door frame and I had an employee who was able to finish her off while she was there. Literally.
**SPOILER ENDS**
If there is ever a fight I'd be fine never doing again, it'd be An Arbiter. One of my single most hated suppressions to date.
For the ordeals, they weren't all that bad once you figured out the gimmick. I think all of Amber are annoying at best just because they jump around the facility, and midnight has the ability to instant kill. Violet is slightly annoying but honestly, I think it has the easiest midnight of the bunch so long as you are paying attention to everything you need to be. Green has the hardest midnight because of the maneuvering you have to do, and the close proximity damage is a pain as well for most melee offensive employees. The White Ordeals also weren't really bad at all. The Claw was the most challenging I'd say, but even then it wasn't BAD. It was just slightly above annoying because of the teleporting. Honestly, the White damaging one was the hardest because of the damage reflection, and even then it's simply a matter of paying attention to what's happening.
Sorry for the lengthy response! But I wanted to make sure I gave an in-depth response talking about everything rather than just ranking them and moving on haha. Hopefully, this answered well enough!
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@@DualBladesthe one thing that makes whitenight harder than arbiter is that you can chunk 1 or 2 of arbiter’s phases with the rabbit protocol and undo the meltdowns with backward clock, while none of those methods work for whitenight, with the only cheese that really works being the green midnight ordeal which takes a lot longer to get to and you’ll need both WN to spawn in the control department and a green midnight to happen at the same time.
Pink army is one of my favourite abnormalities chill, free aleph gear, and it it somehow escapes most of the time dies ambientaly from
Express to hell can go fuck itself and stay in hell, it is easily manageable if you spam it but the stress of existing feels like heck
Blue sniper boie's gear is so strong, easily solos any waw ordeal you can just plop a lone boie in a departament and he well do just fine
I agree 100%. It seems like a lot of people who have watched dislike Pink Army for one reason or another, glad to see there's another sane person amongst the crowd haha. Easy ALEPH gear to grind, the soldiers aren't hard to suppress when the escape and don't really have an awful effect if they aren't suppressed to begin with. Overall just not so bad.
Express to Hell is horrendous, probably one of my least favorite abnormalities since its only reason for existing is to force the attention of whoever is playing. Once is enough for me thanks, never again.
Der Freischutz is great, though the team damage is slightly annoying if you forget it exists. Too many times I've sent my own team to their demise because I had one team member with the gun in the hallway blast everyone else to pieces haha.
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Backwards clock helps cheese binah
sadly it doesnt stop WN
Funny enough, I actually tried to use the Backwards Clock against her in my let's play, and could not for the life of me figure out how to use it for the cheese. I must've tried about 8 times, couldn't get it to actually work like it was supposed to. Unfortunate, but we got there in the end haha.
On the other hand, I tried so many different ways to try and cheese WhiteNight. Like... SO MANY. Hell I even tried the Yin and Yang dragon to see if it's health wouldn't just evaporate. It did not.
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im not gonna lie, melting love was the main reason as to why i downloaded the "no clerk mod" because i had that as like the first anomoly in my third section, and I was just like "So wheres the counter play? oh I just let it happen? damn. what about if they escape? oh just reset? damn." Melting love almost ruined my experience because I just couldnt work with her and i didnt think of simply "not" working on her because well you know, new shiny creature you want to know what it does, but it just hurts every time
Der freischutz is the counter. She can be worked on near day end, and the infection can be stalled with white work good results. If she pops off, rush the rest of the day. Otherwise, freischutz all the clerks.
I mean for me melting love is very easy to contain. I always put an agent by itself under an abnormality when learning about a new one so I can work with it quickly. Then once I figured out that it spreads I just executed every clerk in the department, as it hadn't spread very far due to that agent being in the hallyway and the only one in the department at the time (that part was just a bit of luck). After I got everything I wanted from her, I just always did repression work with her whenever there was a meltdown or I otherwise had to work with her so her gift didn't stick. And that was that, easy ALEPH.
I 100% agree with apocalypse bird as being very hard and not unstoppable. It's a difficult fight for sure but its very doable, especially as you said, in terms of minibosses
also tbh, Nothing There is one of the easiest ALEPHS. It's difficult if you're like, new to the game/on a new save file, but I found once I had the gear it just, stopped giving me problems, even on the odd occasion that it DID escape (one I didn't even notice it'd breached until it was halfway dead because it was in an empty department and with my employee that had its gear and he was just, casually tanking all its damage. He took it out on his own with no trouble.)
Definitely. I remember the first time I did it and was actually pleasantly surprised at how easy it was (I'd made the decision to do WhiteNight before Apocalypse Bird and figured it'd be an end of the world scenario.) so I definitely think that compared to a lot of other things, it's simply not as bad.
Also I totally agree with Nothing There for the most part, except for his evolved mega-fuck form. In which case, I would like no part and would rather reset the day haha. I've never actually beaten his second form, I've come close, but always end up getting destroyed by his sonic blast and mega slice. Not my favorite ALEPH to say the least. Good for gear and training, but don't let it escape...
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Schadenfreude in the same tier as Apocalypse Bird, delightful
This comment had me laughing my ass off
I know it's late, but heart of aspiration is very helpful. Yes, it's a trouble to return it, but why would you want to return it? It's just gives you stats up, and you can just wear it as much as you want, no downsides here.
That's what I've been told haha. I hadn't really used it THAT much while playing, solely because insta-kill items are typically a big no thanks when trying to decide what to equip. That being said, after what I've been told, it actually doesn't sound that bad. Helpful but useful for sure, so long as you follow the rules...
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It's suuuuch an S tier tbh.
tbh id put crumbling armour in very helpful tier, as you dont have to do repression work with it seeing as theres no downside to not doing so (other than decreased production), and its a very easy way to get a decently powerful pale damage weapon early game, which can prove very helpful
This is true, my biggest qualm with it is just the fact that you can have your employees lose the power to perform Attachment should you get the gift, which you almost always will slip up at least once when assigning someone to work it. Which then puts them at high risk of death for future assignments. The weapon is fine, Pale early on is always helpful, but it’s quickly out classes by a lot of other early game weapons in my opinion. Especially since it’s melee. That’s just my opinion though haha, I definitely see where you’re coming from.
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@@DualBladesthat can easily be fixed just by locking the hat slot for employees that you do wish to do attachment on other abnos for, as they won’t get the aura that way.
I personally put Judgement Bird in 'just annoying'
He's relatively easy to suppress if you pay attention to him and kite his attacks though is a bit more of a pain when multiple breaches have occurred and you have to divert attention from him
Keeping track of him from time to time can help out with this however as he is slow [unless something like burrowing heaven got out and spawned departments away from him, but what are the chances]
You're correct about the ordeal of having to work with him however, though you should be good with a Level 5 employee + a gear that is weak [1.5 res] to Pale damage [Level 4 employee if you don't mind restarting the day after they die]
Laeticia best abnormality (Not for winning the game just the abnormality itself)
Giant Tree Sap starts at 0% chance of employee implosion, only going up to 15% the second time each day and then 30%, etc. It's actually pretty useful by just using it once a day. Zero negatives!
mountain of smiling bodies is kinda both annoying and hard given the factor that if you catch him early enough he isn't a problem but once he reaches about phase 2 theres no stopping him without rabbit protocol if you don't want to lose a couple guys
It's actually kinda funny, I think that MoSB is one of the easier ALEPHs to actually suppress in general, even in its upper stages. I've never had any issues with his later stages, but that may just be a matter of gear and my approach to handling it. I think the best way to go about things is just to sick some high gear / level employees on him, divide the group in half, wait till the first group gets low and switch with group 2, repeat until it dies. That's my strategy at least. I definitely agree about it being annoying however. Nothing is more obnoxious than turning around and seeing the giant meatball barrelling down the hallway eating all my clerks...
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@@DualBlades bro his vomit absolutely fucks my waw kill team up, even with black res, someone always gets instakilled even with max stats
His black AOE is probably worse than nothing there's AOE. He is considerably more dangerous without execution bullets. He can be tanked with knight of despair buff and censor weapon. You can also get blue star's gear before doing him.
Army In black should be higher, due to its suppression mechanics it’s harder to suppress if you don’t grind/have completed the hod suppression, since employees of lower levels will just go crazy when they see it and since it spawns randomly in the facility it fucks everything up.
Big bird should be in just annoying, it’s one of the easiest Suppressions, 5 employees with decent ego sets can defeat it before it becomes an actual issue and it doesn’t deal any damage outside its instakill, but the insta is so easy to avoid it isn’t an issue, also, big bird is really easy to maintain in its cage, having a good work result is easy with a high level employee and you’re good to go.
I would switch censored and bluestar. Blue never gets out for me You just have a designated person to do him. Censored always kills my people unless I have portrait. Even w the armor he just nukes em and all their states lvl 5. I think rng on him for me just super unlucky. But he's way to easy to escape. Also Red is very helpful for me. I try to put her near Nothing there if I can so I can have the person w Nothings armor near her. You also got her breach wrong. If she escapes she targets the first person she sees until they dead then the next. Not abnormalities 95% of the time. She also very helpful to suppress stuff. if anything she'd just be annoying. She escapes after the 4th abnormality breach excluding punishment bird. Easier WAW to suppress to. She's better then wolf 100%
As someone who got the game a couple weeks ago I can completely relate to that description, especially because I'm only on my first playthrough so I had no idea what it did and took a lot of trial and error until I figured out how to cheese her with the whole "Qliphoth Meltdown while you're working on her" consistently. I also got Blue Star the day right after her, but I actually think he's one of the easiest Aleph's to deal with simply because all it takes to keep him in is stats, and as long as you have those stats, it's basically impossible for his Qliphoth Counter to go down without outside interference. I will agree though that if Blue Star ever gets out, that's like an instant day reset because unless your employees are all maxed you're guaranteed to lose people, but to me personally, if something got even like 1/10th as bad as Blue Star breaching that's an auto restart, so he's really just overkill. He might be my favorite Aleph (so far, at least) purely because even on a fresh run, with barely any missions done, I still never had Blue Star escape under any circumstance that didn't have to do with forgetting an employee in Flesh Idol or Shelter from March (which may or may not have caused me to spend 12 hours trying to complete a single day). This may just be because of my mindset plus getting Red Hood so that I vastly prefer never having things escape vs being easy to contain whenever they DO escape (and certainly, it seems like some of these abnormalities WILL escape no matter what you try)
I had really bad luck with meat lantern (always melting down+spawning on its own corridor) and since I got it on a mem-rep day I couldn’t get rid of it. Pretty much unstoppable
Meat Lanturn is great if you have guns and really deadly if you don't. Good if you're late game run ending if you're early on.
Do I play Lobotomy Corporation? No. Am I watching this anyway? Yes. Very nicely done!
Why thank you! Glad to hear that even those who don’t play the game find the tier list entertaining enough to sit through haha.
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i m noob and dont understand why is hard "youre bald" i go in the day 13
It was just a joke haha. Not really an abnormality that causes any issue other than cosmetic ones!
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Don't Touch Me can be annoying, but if you use the management screen to see where it is and remember its position, it'll just sit there and do nothing.
I like it because it's a free slot. Doesn't do anything as long as you remember to totally leave it alone.
Well, yes and no. For me personally, Don’t Touch Me caused more resets than any of my other abnormalities at one point. Mostly because of the horrible combo of Plague Doctor’s switches, as well as the fact that I’d get thrown off by the appearance changes. Ultimately for me this is a do not take ever. Even if it is a minimal work abno, it always finds a way to cause me issue haha.
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@@DualBlades You too! Glad I stumbled onto your channel.
Putting heart of aspiration anywhere but HELPFUL feels like a sin
It's just FREE HEALTH
Behavior adjustment deserves the very helpful thank you tier, but there are down sides to it:
Reduced prudence, kills the employee if given back within 30 seconds or the employee runs out of SP
Also, if you click on the button to look at info for don't touch me, everything gets breached
If you click on it in the preperation screen, it crashes the game lol
If someone is pulled in and dies from grave of cherry blossoms, the next time you work with it will heal everyone's HP and SP
"Scarecrow is a joke"
Me on my first run reseting 700 times cause they kept breaching when my best equipment was Teth:
Just nuke the scarecrow!
(Launch ALL your employees onto him at once!)
I literally have HE equipment and I still fail miserably
N O T H I N G T H E R E is unstopable but helpful
helpful beacuse he can kill the last boss like the red woman(frogot the name)
I actually tried using him against The Red Mist during her fight but didn't notice any particularly beneficial aid towards the fight as a whole. Now Blue Star on the other hand make quick work of most of those fights. Real quick work.
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雪の女王は個人的に一番下でいいな
HEにしては割と良いEGOに強いギフトを確定入手できて仮にうっかり怒らせても勇気5を向かわせれば必ず救助できる
俺はあいつで嫌な思いをしたことが一回もない
Giant tree sap is helpful af, constant healing after just one use, and unlocking info can be done by just using it once or a couple times per day.
on my first playthrough i got melting love and nameless fetus right next to each other, which sure was Something. also got smiling bodies and the monk next to each other on my second, which was hell because they'd breach at the same time 99% of the time.
i'd also personally contest blue star being in unstoppable just due to it's counter, i worked with it constantly in my playthrough and it didn't breach at all
im dont know why did you put Queen of Hatred in unstopple even tho for me its usefull and weak.yet second warnig she helps but she will also kill rabbits since they team are anommaly.might type of aleph (even tho rabbits weapon is zain)
btw ez way to Defeat the whilt night is to spawn Green Midnight since they both got same hp (aka 11000 or 10000 im dont know its original hp so dont either talk about it plus nothing there only have 2000 hp in all phases)
how do im know you say Ez im have mod for improved info. so im can always know Anomaly or challange Anomaly Hp Example censored have 1500 hp.Maybe Stronger when have minions since they Also dmg at sp whem your guys look at them but not that like they will go crazy so they can be on lvl 4 im hope they wont shit pants lol
Big bird is hard
be me who restarts a day pretty much any time any one who is not like a fresh newbie dies and has several departments full of level V employees and I can wipe big bird out pretty quickly and easily with no casualties,
I have a little bit of an advantage tho, since Big bird is at the very bottom of my facility so I have the chance to get everyone grouped up at the top to be ready to deal with him, and it also gives me time to deal with any other escapees/threats while he slowly lumbers his way up from central command
The easiest way to deal with him i have found is have everyone your fighting with grouped up in elevators and wait for him to lumber over, or if you see him going to the other side use one of the other safe departments to cross over to the other side to intercept him, jump in , beat the shit out of him and when you see him shake his lantern send EVERYONE up to one of the non blacked out departments via the elevator, this will cancel out the lure if they are effected, once they leave the blacked out area go back down and wail on him again rinse and repeat and you can do it in no time depending on how many beefed up employees you have
the problem comes from when Hatred gets out as well and I forget about him dealing with her
I think Big Bird might be my least favorite abnormality in the game to suppress. Compared to the rest, it's just on an entirely separate level than anything else, sure QoH is a pain to handle, but she can't do a little shake of a lantern and insta-kill employees. That being said, I still hate that goddamn abnormality haha. Still is and forever will be my least favorite abnormality in general.
I was in a very similar situation to you, except I had the unfortunate circumstances of having Big Bird at the end of the hallway in the Architecture department, along with having several death-releasing abnos in the facility at the same time. Basically, I would have to wait for it to wipe my entire architecture department, release another two abnormalities in the process, and then multitask suppressing it as well as the other crisis entering my day. The worst part is that every time without fail it would manage to decapitate one of my employees while I was distracted handling someone like MoSB or QoH... what a real pain.
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Behavior Adjustment decreases Prudance and causes insanity to be instantly lethal. Just because you never noticed it doesn't mean that there isn't a down side.
Take a shot every times you hear “pretty/just annoying” :3
Blue Star might be the most difficult Aleph from a beginner perspective, its the worst abnormality to get when you are playing for the first time and you get that one in Netzach or Hod's facility (speaking from true experience) because unlike mountain of smiling bodies or orchestra, even if one Qlipoth counter goes down, they will not breach and at least if the work was bad and even killed the employee, you can at least have a little bit of points to check 1 work result and then reset to try again or you just know now that it wasn't the correct work to use. Blue Star however, if you don't know what it wants in terms of stats, you are going to sacrifice employees for no energy to use in trying to figure out what it wants until you get to guess which stats are favorable to use to work with it to then know at least something or you just check the wiki for it.
Another point of pain for big bird: as someone who did a solo agent run found out, Big Bird can instakill someone if they pass by the bird (as in you move someone somewhere past the bird) *_before_* the possession fully takes effect. So if Big Bird picks a target, that target gets thoroughly zoned out from wherever Big Bird decides to wander. Oh and if its possession target is within biting distance, RIP bozo.
AiB should be in annoying. All it does is release abnormalities when clerks die to ordeals, and it’s benefit isn’t that helpful. Only helpful thing about it is it’s EGO gear.
On god can't believe luminous bracelet thinks it's netzach supression 24/7
Crumbling Armor + Nothing There's weapon and EGO gift = you have an employee that is basically immortal to red and pale damage. Just need to figure out a way to make them regain SP and they'll become an immortal god.
Also I got hentai with slimes on like day 10 to 20, and I didn't have bullets to kill clerks. It was *very* hard, because every time she melts down, it is a restart. But once I completed several painful days, I managed to get a murdertool, and then it was fine, I guess? Still very hard to contain tho
put me in unstoppable or I will literally come to your hase and be "really hard"
I think it's actually unfair to put black army in thankful, because his main problem is that it's more annoying smiling bodies. If set number of your clercs die from non bullet cause it gets out, so it means it gets out with any global affect abnormality, it has conflicting synergy with queen of hatred that also is global attack, it screws with midnight ordeals and with suppressions with 46-49 days. And it's more annoying than smiling bodies, since you can quick supress it on one spot and all it doesn is killing while army in black lowers counter. Please do not consider abnormalities primally on the end game situations.
Edit: it was long since I played the game and I remember that you basically don't have to deal with it while it's protecting you as I remember but still. On small note to comparison with Smiling bodies, in game you tend to forget about abnormalities and Smiling bodies is easier than Army in Black in that SB has animations for every meter that you can notice with a side of you eye while AiB doesn't. AiB is what you hate to see escape when any larger treat has escaped and like SB it does it often.
I can definitely see where you’re coming from with your point of view on Army in Black. It does become a bit tedious to manage the amount of deaths that occur across the facility, especially in situations like ordeals where the Clerks are almost guaranteed to die on the spot to whatever comes their way. However I still think I’d rank it as very helpful. From my personal experience with it, both on the TH-cam let’s play, as well as another play through I did separate of recording, it still feels like a very beneficial abnormality to keep around. The breaching effect that it has where it lowers counters is annoying don’t get me wrong, but that’s really the only true negative in its case. It’s not hard to suppress at all, and if you’re employees are all in the corresponding facilities (which they typically will be due to the unpredictable times it breaches) it’s not hard to pummel them into the ground before it explodes, and even if they weren’t, which did happen to me a few times, you prioritize which counters you absolutely cannot let go down and take that soldier out first. These are all just my opinions on it, I can definitely see how it might be an issue to some people, but I’m ranking it based off my various experiences, and I really can’t say it’s all that bad.
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But Heart has no downfalls...Just wear it and never return
QoH is so easy to handle though, both in and out of containement, at worst annoying to have to cater to.
personally the only things i would change is to put Red Ridding Hood in VERY HELPFUL, THANK YOU. and Queen of Hatred in Dificult but manageble, i will say all the hat that she gets is just salty noobs who restarted after her first escape, never had any problems with Queen of Hatred except when i was new and was "HEhe, Magic girl goes BRRR"
The sad truth is I'm still one of those salty noobs even with almost 200 hours in the game. I just HATE the mechanic. A lot. Plus when she escapes she just vaporizes all your employees and then teleports off to the far reaches of the facility to torch more poor clerks. I can definitely see Red being in VERY HELPFUL, THANK YOU, but also not at the same time. She's extremely useful early game when you haven't got much gear, but she's also a liability in the fact that she deals such high damage to whatever gets in her path. When you call on her, you basically have to hope you can keep employees out of reach, as well as keep the breaching abnormality in a centralized location to be dealt with. Just feels like a lot for so little personally.
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Now comes the real question... what's your favorite ALEPH class abno?
To answer simply, I honestly don’t have one particular favorite. I think I have two for two different reasons. If we’re talking style wise, then I’d say Silent Orchestra. The music and screen effects are very cool, and I also think that the actual design of the abno is great. I also really like WhiteNight though. It’s probably the hardest fight in the game, which makes it so rewarding to actually finish. I think that the countdown clock is cool too, with the apostles being added to the wheel.
Between the two, I honestly don’t have one favorite. They both are high on my list for different reasons.
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You were wrong about singing machine being the only one with a maximum stat cap with scarecrow searching for wisdom if you have anyone that has a wisdom stat above two it instantly kills that employee and gets out
He doesn't actually instantly kill! According to the Wiki (and I just double checked in game) when an employee with level 3 or above finishes work it lowers his Qliphoth to zero and lets him out, but they don't die immediately. They can still leave and fight against him, but the stat only reduces the Qliphoth. I had completely forgotten about him doing that haha, thanks for reminding me!
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How to deal with QoH
step 1: elevators
step 2: black shields
I'd agree with the elevators, but man those shields cannot tank nearly enough of what she throws at those poor employees. I remember using 6 shields in an attempt to get my employees from the hallway to another level to escape the blast, needless to say it did not work out haha.
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Having a Theresia + Censored combo in a department or in neighboring department can allow you to have a 100% rate of success on Censored if you just send one guy for 20 seconds in Theresia every time you send someone from the department to work with Censored. It's really helpful, especially to farm its ego gift.
Hadn't even considered that, but that's actually pretty handy isn't it! My means of farming the gift was throwing my employee in and hoping that this wouldn't be the time they got eviscerated and let CENSORED out. Worked out eventually! I'll have to give this a shot next time I get on though for sure, thanks for telling me about it!
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You can wake up employees by repeatedly clicking on them unless I'm missing something or it used to not be like that
I don't recall having issues with void dream
Same thing works with parasite tree and its captivation, it's just that they don't explicitly tell you in management notes except in grave of cherry blossoms
"very helpful thank you" basically just one sin, but little red is also helpful, while being dangerous if she does escape, but since if you send her to hunt something, she's not gonna stop until either it dies or she dies, like a certain worm midnight
plus she can actually fight some alephs with help
also if they attacked something with the heart of aspiration, the time limit gimmick never reactivates
Do Not Press is very helpful if you can remember where you left it