Good video man. You should do a vid on how to check pushrod length. Doing my first build and the vids are a lot easier to learn than just reading. Cool seeing you on the board the other day too.
I love your vids and it looks like your doing the same swap as me soon on your 5.0... M112!! But this video has explained to me very clearly why your rockers are "chattering" Preload them 1/2 turn instead of 1/8 and you'll be golden. You want the lifters preloaded in the middle of their travel in order to be properly preloaded after warmed up and oil pressure is present. This usually takes 10 mins on the stand during assembly and no need to re-adjust after several thousand miles.
Pedestal rockers need to be adjusted with the engine hot. Since the valvetrain parts are now expanded, the adjustment you set will be in the sweet spot for hydraulic damping. Lifters that are given excess preload can be damaged internally and will clatter when cold. If the rocker slides slightly across the pedestal, you've got it right. Honing the shim on a true fine whetstone will bring the lash within desired range. Vacuum guage will tell you when things are too tight.
@superslo5oh thanks. The hole priming the lifters thing is another part that is up to debate. Most modern engine builders say pumping the lifters with oil is old school stuff, and modern lifters have enough pressure with the internal spring to pump themselves up. so while it may not be necessary, its also not a big issue ether way.
ford letter cams are not garbage, they make good power. i got a flat tappet 498/498 lift cam which is the same as a e303. i got tf 170 heads and a 670 carb and my car runs 12.20s @110 with 1.75-80 60fts and i got 3.73 gears also.the power my car makes will blow the tires off. and im talking 275/50/15 drag radials.when the letter cams came out back in the 90s they were awsome.people talk a bunch of smack about them but they get the job done with the mild builds that most people do.
Hoping your still around @XArmy187 im working on a 5L 304 in Australia and this vid was a big help. Just wanted to know how much of a difference does it make doing a 3/8 turn compared to a half or full turn.
It's basically the same I would say if it's an old stock heads or old heads do a full turn if it's a pair of new heads valves everything you get away with you know anything else But also if you hear any weird noises tightness you can also feel the engine feel a little funny from the valves are a little too tight I honestly obsessed about valves and I adjusted them every 500 Miles or so when it wasn't needed I'm still here there's going to be a new video soon but no more Fox body
Hey mate I'm doing a 304 also, just fitting crane rockers. Did you do it the same way as was shown in the video? How did it go for you? I've been told that a full turn is the way to go. Did you make the preload turn after feeling only a slight resistance on the push rod as was explained? I've seen people say you need to start the preload turn once you can no longer twist the push rod at all...
@Xarmy187, the shitty thing is that i didnt get any instructions with them, i got them used but still in the package. It never even crossed my mind. I was a little excited about the new parts, lol Thanks for the help Cant wait to see that beast of yours on the road!!!
I am in the process of installing my rockers. I have them all locked down to proper adjustment...but im worried so i installed them a 2nd time to double check my work. i hope they are right. if not will you know right away? please let me know any tips you may have. and thanks for the help and love the videos man!
awesome vid man i got a 5.0 motor im in the midst of rebuilding haha so far its completely stripped and i got another crank...moneys whats holding.me back haha. what brand roller rockers are those?
I would first look at the instructions, as all brands can be different. some are as simple as bolting down, and torquing to 20-25ft lb's of torque, and some require shim's and measuring them on the valve tip, and making sure they clear the valve spring. they are easier to set up, but you have to be sure the proper way to install, which I would go off of the manufactures instructions.
I thought you would be a good person to ask. I just got a set of 1.7 rollors, and matching crane pushrods. They are not the stud mounted style, they bolt down like the stock ones. They are supposed to drop on a stock e7 head. My question is, is there any mod for this install? They are my first set. Any suggestions on the install of this style of rollor? Thanks
Snapped a stock AFR Rocker Arm Stud off on my head last week. Finally getting into fixing this weekend. Well, Monday now and I need to bust ass and get it running before tomorrow. Not expecting a quick reply, but how tight are your rockers when you do the last 1/4 or 1/2 turn? I feel like mine are WAY too tight. However, when I started the car there was a shit ton of chattering going on. Only the Passenger side head has the new ARP studs in so far. Tips?
could u go down the bank and do all the intakes then come back and do all the exhaust then u dont gotta wait because they havent been crushed since u did that cylinders intake 4 valves ago?
@xNibz12345 I would have to smack myself if I installed a ford letter cam. There garbage. The car has trickflow twisted wedge 170cc heads that are ported, and a trickflow stage 2 cam
thanks for all help....been meaning to ask you your email or fb...that way i don't have to bother you on youtube all the time. send me a message. getting real close to firing mine up after months of work. video post will be soon.
With an aggressive cam I was adjusting mine every 500 miles or so That being said I'm super OCD and I thought I was fixing the issue what really is you just got to get used to the chattering as long as you know you set it right you drive it for a few hundred miles you check it without doing anything and it's not out of spec where it's supposed to be it'll be fine you just got to learn to live with the extra noise
Whoa... So Id had better get tons of intake gasket sets for my Ford Explorer Upper! That's nuts! 500 miles! Whats the other alternative? Cause Im not going to be taking apart half the motor every 500 miles! @@Xarmy187
@@phantomj7921 like I said I was over doing it. You adjust them. Check your work in a few hundred miles and as long as they are still measuring out good, then leave it be.
@@phantomj7921 well they wernt adjustable and just stay at what they are machined too. Plus with an aggressive cam, the cam literally beats the crap out of the lifters, pushrods, rollerrockers, valves ETC Just how it is. You can get non-adjustable rockers that are more aggressive. If you look on summitracing there are a bunch of options But they will not make as much power, and will bog the motor compared to a roller rocker at high RPMS
Good video bud.I'm working on installing my XE264 cam and my trickflow 1.6 RR. Never done it before. or anything like it. Trial by fire as you could say. I'm logging my work @ the CJponyparts forum for fox bodies. under the user name Brimmer555.
Your first mistake is calling it a motor. A motor is a device driven by electricity, air or hydraulic pressure. An engine uses or consumes fuel to convert into mechanical operation. Common mistake from noobies. Your second mistake is playing death metal at 3 am. Unless you are a vampire lol!
if there too tight, the car could run like complete shit, if there too loose, they will chatter. if you do it like I did in the video, even with more preload, even a full turn, you will be fine. I use to do mine two or three times too, second guessing myself, haha, so I know how it is.
Good video man. You should do a vid on how to check pushrod length. Doing my first build and the vids are a lot easier to learn than just reading. Cool seeing you on the board the other day too.
I love your vids and it looks like your doing the same swap as me soon on your 5.0... M112!! But this video has explained to me very clearly why your rockers are "chattering" Preload them 1/2 turn instead of 1/8 and you'll be golden. You want the lifters preloaded in the middle of their travel in order to be properly preloaded after warmed up and oil pressure is present. This usually takes 10 mins on the stand during assembly and no need to re-adjust after several thousand miles.
what about on a fresh rebuilt engine never ran? still trying to figure out if my lifter will "drop" if I do something wrong...
sounds like we got some shadows fall playing in the background very nice car and guide and music
Pedestal rockers need to be adjusted with the engine hot. Since the valvetrain parts are now expanded, the adjustment you set will be in the sweet spot for hydraulic damping. Lifters that are given excess preload can be damaged internally and will clatter when cold. If the rocker slides slightly across the pedestal, you've got it right. Honing the shim on a true fine whetstone will bring the lash within desired range. Vacuum guage will tell you when things are too tight.
Thanks for sharing Mate .......im ready to adjust my roller rockers on my 351c
@superslo5oh thanks. The hole priming the lifters thing is another part that is up to debate. Most modern engine builders say pumping the lifters with oil is old school stuff, and modern lifters have enough pressure with the internal spring to pump themselves up.
so while it may not be necessary, its also not a big issue ether way.
Great job . Thank you very much . Learn something new every time I watch .
ford letter cams are not garbage, they make good power. i got a flat tappet 498/498 lift cam which is the same as a e303. i got tf 170 heads and a 670 carb and my car runs 12.20s @110 with 1.75-80 60fts and i got 3.73 gears also.the power my car makes will blow the tires off. and im talking 275/50/15 drag radials.when the letter cams came out back in the 90s they were awsome.people talk a bunch of smack about them but they get the job done with the mild builds that most people do.
Hoping your still around @XArmy187 im working on a 5L 304 in Australia and this vid was a big help. Just wanted to know how much of a difference does it make doing a 3/8 turn compared to a half or full turn.
It's basically the same I would say if it's an old stock heads or old heads do a full turn if it's a pair of new heads valves everything you get away with you know anything else
But also if you hear any weird noises tightness you can also feel the engine feel a little funny from the valves are a little too tight
I honestly obsessed about valves and I adjusted them every 500 Miles or so when it wasn't needed
I'm still here there's going to be a new video soon but no more Fox body
Hey mate I'm doing a 304 also, just fitting crane rockers. Did you do it the same way as was shown in the video? How did it go for you? I've been told that a full turn is the way to go. Did you make the preload turn after feeling only a slight resistance on the push rod as was explained? I've seen people say you need to start the preload turn once you can no longer twist the push rod at all...
@Xarmy187, the shitty thing is that i didnt get any instructions with them, i got them used but still in the package. It never even crossed my mind. I was a little excited about the new parts, lol
Thanks for the help
Cant wait to see that beast of yours on the road!!!
That was a very helpful video. Thank you
I am in the process of installing my rockers. I have them all locked down to proper adjustment...but im worried so i installed them a 2nd time to double check my work. i hope they are right. if not will you know right away? please let me know any tips you may have. and thanks for the help and love the videos man!
What ended up being the amount of turns that worked for you?
Great Video , if by any chance who makes these rockers i am confused on which ones to get.
thanks fo da vdo bt m still confuse tht how much gap should be perfect in rockers amrs and the valve.will it b perfect if i put gap of 8 gage in that.
awesome vid man i got a 5.0 motor im in the midst of rebuilding haha so far its completely stripped and i got another crank...moneys whats holding.me back haha. what brand roller rockers are those?
Thanks for your video... I have the same intake and it makes it really easy to adjust roller rockers... what does your mustang run?
love the videos I have a 91 Im working on your videos are big help
Thanks man, learn somethin every day.
@Rockman110886 Thank you! I appreciate the support!!!
@1965mustangfb no you have to compensate for the lifter crushing just a hair, but its not that hard
@GarageCrazy no problem, just trying to help people out :)
I would first look at the instructions, as all brands can be different.
some are as simple as bolting down, and torquing to 20-25ft lb's of torque, and some require shim's and measuring them on the valve tip, and making sure they clear the valve spring.
they are easier to set up, but you have to be sure the proper way to install, which I would go off of the manufactures instructions.
would i still do this the same if i had A 302 .40 OVER? THANKS, sorry for caps lock
I thought you would be a good person to ask. I just got a set of 1.7 rollors, and matching crane pushrods. They are not the stud mounted style, they bolt down like the stock ones. They are supposed to drop on a stock e7 head.
My question is, is there any mod for this install? They are my first set.
Any suggestions on the install of this style of rollor?
Thanks
Snapped a stock AFR Rocker Arm Stud off on my head last week. Finally getting into fixing this weekend. Well, Monday now and I need to bust ass and get it running before tomorrow.
Not expecting a quick reply, but how tight are your rockers when you do the last 1/4 or 1/2 turn? I feel like mine are WAY too tight.
However, when I started the car there was a shit ton of chattering going on.
Only the Passenger side head has the new ARP studs in so far.
Tips?
What was your solution. I need to adjust my rockers on my Explorer 5.0 got some chatter going on.
Just subscribed. Please post more how to vids!
i love all your vids man i subscribed
Just to clarify, you're turning the engine clockwise as viewed from the front, correct?
could u go down the bank and do all the intakes then come back and do all the exhaust then u dont gotta wait because they havent been crushed since u did that cylinders intake 4 valves ago?
@bnuts677 they where great in the 90's. this is 2011. You can get a much better cam for the same cost now-a-days. Thats all.
Great vid man I subbed. Looking forward to more vids like this and installing that supercharger!
what heads / cam you have is it a ford letter cam?
@IntegGSR99 I can do a video for pushrod length. Just going to be a few days. Computer is on the fritz :(
What kind of cam u running? i got e303 should i do half a turn?
Thank you for this video! it helps me to learn!
Thanks for the video. Very helpful.
on your next video, turn off the background noise (music?)
@superslo5oh It's all up for discussion my man, this is how we better this hobby by spreading helpful information.
Tomorrow i will follow your instructions to adjust my engine. Rockers are very noisey
@Xarmy187 just making sure...
I'm aware the intake you adjust it when the exhaust push rod begins to move up, but how do adjust exhaust please help
@tmaxxracer12 a 302 that is .40 over wouldn't change anything about this
@xNibz12345 I would have to smack myself if I installed a ford letter cam. There garbage.
The car has trickflow twisted wedge 170cc heads that are ported, and a trickflow stage 2 cam
@brace06 there comp cam roller rockers. don't really like them. I want comp cam ultra gold rockers
thanks for all help....been meaning to ask you your email or fb...that way i don't have to bother you on youtube all the time. send me a message. getting real close to firing mine up after months of work. video post will be soon.
Where did you get the plug wires from???? They look huge.
Get them on e-bay. Search "Heat Protector Silicone Spark Plug Wire Sleeve"
I just had a 331 built .. Motor has a few hundred miles on it... Rockers chattering... how often am I gonna have to adjust these damn things!?
With an aggressive cam I was adjusting mine every 500 miles or so
That being said I'm super OCD and I thought I was fixing the issue what really is you just got to get used to the chattering
as long as you know you set it right you drive it for a few hundred miles you check it without doing anything and it's not out of spec where it's supposed to be it'll be fine you just got to learn to live with the extra noise
Whoa... So Id had better get tons of intake gasket sets for my Ford Explorer Upper! That's nuts! 500 miles! Whats the other alternative? Cause Im not going to be taking apart half the motor every 500 miles!
@@Xarmy187
@@phantomj7921 like I said I was over doing it. You adjust them. Check your work in a few hundred miles and as long as they are still measuring out good, then leave it be.
Ohh man! This is insane... How come the stock rockers never needed adjusted? Maybe I'll just put a stock rocker back on the car?
@@Xarmy187
@@phantomj7921 well they wernt adjustable and just stay at what they are machined too.
Plus with an aggressive cam, the cam literally beats the crap out of the lifters, pushrods, rollerrockers, valves ETC
Just how it is.
You can get non-adjustable rockers that are more aggressive. If you look on summitracing there are a bunch of options
But they will not make as much power, and will bog the motor compared to a roller rocker at high RPMS
@blackstang100 trickflow stage 2
now why did you just go an 1/8th turn?
nice video by the way. im sorry for rambling on
well try there website, or look up there number and call them.
supercharger is getting installed soon...... just has to pass emissions first :(
I did that and mine are still ticking. So gonna have to take the valve covers off and readjust then I guess
Do you have the correct pushrod length?
@Xarmy187 No biggie man. Again, good work on the vids. Keep em coming. Thanks in advance 8)
just set them up how the maker of the car or truck want it done, its easy info to find:P
what music is that playin on ya stero
Flat spot? What cam has a flat spot? You mean base circle,180* from max lift.
Good video bud.I'm working on installing my XE264 cam and my trickflow 1.6 RR. Never done it before. or anything like it. Trial by fire as you could say. I'm logging my work @ the CJponyparts forum for fox bodies. under the user name Brimmer555.
Your first mistake is calling it a motor. A motor is a device driven by electricity, air or hydraulic pressure. An engine uses or consumes fuel to convert into mechanical operation. Common mistake from noobies. Your second mistake is playing death metal at 3 am. Unless you are a vampire lol!
Good video!!!
Sweet, Nice vid..
thanks, appreciate it :)
you need some T handles
yes...
if there too tight, the car could run like complete shit, if there too loose, they will chatter.
if you do it like I did in the video, even with more preload, even a full turn, you will be fine.
I use to do mine two or three times too, second guessing myself, haha, so I know how it is.
ill send you a link to my face book
like this guy
Can you turn the stupid music off so I could concentrate on the info.
My bad, let me go back in time 8 years when I just wanted to help people but was new to TH-cam.
That is not locked...you will learn someday.
How so
Ne Desit Virtus.. A/ATW-FILO!
Rakassans!!!
roller rockers are noisy like a sewing machine
Turn that damn shit off.
Lmao what?
@@Xarmy187 that death metal in back ground. Lol
@@arthurwarren2able 🤘
TV d
Turn the f-ing music off