Great video. As a professional skipper, I have always disliked in mast furling mains because of their propensity to jamb when the wind picks up offshore and the added weight aloft. I was also wary of in boom mains... But your system is beautifully engineered and overbuilt. I'm sold!
Wow! Just wow! I really hope i can get this system whenever i get my boat. I'm still in the dreaming/saving/planning/learning stage. I really love this!
To date there are three people that have disliked this video. They must be associated with the manufacturers of In-Mast furling systems, which indeed suck. Sure they will help reduce sail area, but you are left with a shitty shape, poor performance, and few options. This video does a great job of explaining why. My last "forever" boat will have this system.
Fantastic system but hard to swallow the cost. $13,000 for the Beta (smaller of the two). Then you have to add re-rigging and sail alteration costs. You really have to want it as like any boat the barrier to upgrade purchase cost means this is going to require major compromise during your refit. I was wishing for one for my 65 Pearson Vanguard but tough to have a boom refit cost more than 1/2 the price of the boat.
And not just the cost of the roller boom, but the mainsail has to use special headboard, Teflon luff tape, battens - along with a very experienced sailmaker familiar with these specialized sails - which ends up costing about double what a standard mainsail would go for.
Breat video on Boom Furling. I also enjoy the video about restoring the Cal 40. When do you expect another video after flipping the boat upside down. Got my attention.
Love the amount of attention to detail , creating out of a solid block of aluminum for example. I do have one question at this point. I am looking into purchasing a Fountain Pajot Helia 44 and when I look at the angle of the Boom to the mast it appears that if it is not at a 90 degree angle to the mast that it might not work. Is this an issue or am I just seeing something that is not an issue.
No answer? Damn. I was about to ask the same question. Guess I will have to ask directly who there agent in Australia is. I'm in Western Australia, about to buy a new 50-60' sail cat (Seawind or MC) in the next 3-12 months. I have been researching Boom Furlers for a few months, gotta say, this one has me sold. Good reports from owners and this system makes more sense to me than others. It looks like its all about the sail transition from boom to mast. The other way around is easy, its getting it on the mast without jamming. I hate those lazy jacks, makes putting up the sail in anything but flat calm a pain in the butt. And that's self defeating. If its flat calm, you dont need the sail!.
That machined billet part is heinously expensive. You're looking at scrap levels only seen in aerospace. Perhaps the volume does not justify it but with some improved manufacturing techniques you could cut the price of this system in half. $19k USD is a tough bill to swallow.
I guess I know the answer because your video is very good but I want to doble check: is it possible to reef down wind with this system? Not necessary in a run, let´s say 120°?
We have the largest boom (Gamma) and are not able to furl the mainsail when running downwind in winds above 8 knots. It is possible in a light breeze, but anything above a few knots creates too much friction. I don't think any of the boom furling systems can roll down the mains when sailing downwind in moderate to high winds; you must turn the boat into the wind.
@@SteveWrightNZ We have the largest boom (Gamma) and it costs $20K - plus the specialized mainsail added another $15K (Hollmann 52). All of these roller booms/sail combos are very expensive.
I wish "these" guys would explain more of how the luff rolls up. As we know that in mast and jib roller reefing one leg of the sail needs to be cut at an angle to avoid material build up and evenish tensioning of the furled sail. How does it work in the boom furler, I do not see a tapered shape at the luff as this is where it would need to be, no? Something else that makes me weary with "these " guys, how in gods green earth could you not sell the point of "maximum adjustability when reefing for the current condition. Instead of having two or three reef points, you basically have a hundred! Or, tweaking the sail shape, how can you not address this. Or the addition of boom vangs and preventers, how can you not address this either? As, far the 'main point being safety, not leaving the cockpit. For years there have been slab reefing system were 99 to 100 % of the work can be performed from the cockpit and only cost a couple of hundred dollars to purchase or make up and can be installed in less than a day. And hysterically, the guy working the winch is actually half out of the cockpit with one leg on deck. And, people like to make 'going forward" as oh-my-god dangerous, it's not, when performed safely, and a good sailor will "go forward regularly to inspect the rig and the boat. It's "basic" reveals like these, with so many holes in it, that it makes me wonder if the company or maybe the "president of the company' of the PR people really know what they're building or why. Or if there are actually all kinds of issues that they haven't sorted out yet. Or, hey there's a market here how can we spin it.... Jes-louise...
You don't reef, one just rolls the sail up or down the mast, to reduce or expand sail area as needed. However, it takes lots of practice to do so without jamming; not as easy as promoted.
Great video. I have been surfing the web for "real" knowledge on this furling methodology. Thank you.
Great video. As a professional skipper, I have always disliked in mast furling mains because of their propensity to jamb when the wind picks up offshore and the added weight aloft. I was also wary of in boom mains... But your system is beautifully engineered and overbuilt. I'm sold!
where you learn to spell?
Designed and made in USA, amazing!
Wow! Just wow! I really hope i can get this system whenever i get my boat. I'm still in the dreaming/saving/planning/learning stage. I really love this!
To date there are three people that have disliked this video. They must be associated with the manufacturers of In-Mast furling systems, which indeed suck. Sure they will help reduce sail area, but you are left with a shitty shape, poor performance, and few options. This video does a great job of explaining why. My last "forever" boat will have this system.
Excellent presentation
Fantastic system but hard to swallow the cost. $13,000 for the Beta (smaller of the two). Then you have to add re-rigging and sail alteration costs. You really have to want it as like any boat the barrier to upgrade purchase cost means this is going to require major compromise during your refit. I was wishing for one for my 65 Pearson Vanguard but tough to have a boom refit cost more than 1/2 the price of the boat.
And not just the cost of the roller boom, but the mainsail has to use special headboard, Teflon luff tape, battens - along with a very experienced sailmaker familiar with these specialized sails - which ends up costing about double what a standard mainsail would go for.
Breat video on Boom Furling. I also enjoy the video about restoring the Cal 40. When do you expect another video after flipping the boat upside down. Got my attention.
Excellent info exactly what i was looking for
Love the amount of attention to detail , creating out of a solid block of aluminum for example. I do have one question at this point. I am looking into purchasing a Fountain Pajot Helia 44 and when I look at the angle of the Boom to the mast it appears that if it is not at a 90 degree angle to the mast that it might not work. Is this an issue or am I just seeing something that is not an issue.
Smooth clean equipment
looks super cool! How do you trim the outhaul?
rolling up the boom furling can be automatic with ( timing) up and down from a button then manual turning the rig
nice design!
Thanks learning a lot
Facinating!
it looks like your system attaches to an existing mast. am I correct .
Very nice
Lovely engineering.
Love it.
Great product I'm sold where can get one expertly fitted in Australia.
No answer? Damn. I was about to ask the same question. Guess I will have to ask directly who there agent in Australia is.
I'm in Western Australia, about to buy a new 50-60' sail cat (Seawind or MC) in the next 3-12 months.
I have been researching Boom Furlers for a few months, gotta say, this one has me sold. Good reports from owners and this system makes more sense to me than others.
It looks like its all about the sail transition from boom to mast. The other way around is easy, its getting it on the mast without jamming.
I hate those lazy jacks, makes putting up the sail in anything but flat calm a pain in the butt. And that's self defeating. If its flat calm, you dont need the sail!.
That machined billet part is heinously expensive. You're looking at scrap levels only seen in aerospace. Perhaps the volume does not justify it but with some improved manufacturing techniques you could cut the price of this system in half. $19k USD is a tough bill to swallow.
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I guess I know the answer because your video is very good but I want to doble check: is it possible to reef down wind with this system? Not necessary in a run, let´s say 120°?
We have the largest boom (Gamma) and are not able to furl the mainsail when running downwind in winds above 8 knots. It is possible in a light breeze, but anything above a few knots creates too much friction. I don't think any of the boom furling systems can roll down the mains when sailing downwind in moderate to high winds; you must turn the boat into the wind.
Just wow, these units are $20K !!
@Pixel Dust An alloy extrusion that length is 2k, not 20k.
@@SteveWrightNZ We have the largest boom (Gamma) and it costs $20K - plus the specialized mainsail added another $15K (Hollmann 52). All of these roller booms/sail combos are very expensive.
@@Morrisfactor was it worth it to you???
@@tarpanc34 Frankly, no. I would not have boom furling on a boat again.
No link? 🤷♂️
There's no topping lift. Is the boom held up by the metal boom vang?
Why didn’t you design it with continuous line?
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What is the price for a boom?
I wish "these" guys would explain more of how the luff rolls up. As we know that in mast and jib roller reefing one leg of the sail needs to be cut at an angle to avoid material build up and evenish tensioning of the furled sail. How does it work in the boom furler, I do not see a tapered shape at the luff as this is where it would need to be, no?
Something else that makes me weary with "these " guys, how in gods green earth could you not sell the point of "maximum adjustability when reefing for the current condition. Instead of having two or three reef points, you basically have a hundred!
Or, tweaking the sail shape, how can you not address this.
Or the addition of boom vangs and preventers, how can you not address this either?
As, far the 'main point being safety, not leaving the cockpit. For years there have been slab reefing system were 99 to 100 % of the work can be performed from the cockpit and only cost a couple of hundred dollars to purchase or make up and can be installed in less than a day. And hysterically, the guy working the winch is actually half out of the cockpit with one leg on deck.
And, people like to make 'going forward" as oh-my-god dangerous, it's not, when performed safely, and a good sailor will "go forward regularly to inspect the rig and the boat.
It's "basic" reveals like these, with so many holes in it, that it makes me wonder if the company or maybe the "president of the company' of the PR people really know what they're building or why. Or if there are actually all kinds of issues that they haven't sorted out yet. Or, hey there's a market here how can we spin it....
Jes-louise...
How do you reef?
You don't reef, one just rolls the sail up or down the mast, to reduce or expand sail area as needed. However, it takes lots of practice to do so without jamming; not as easy as promoted.
Why not just make the boom and others parts out of carbon fiber. . . ?
That is a lot of chip making machining those parts, they should look at additive manufacturing, if they aren´t already
No ability to do emergency sail repairs.
Great engineering...