What Sort Of Boat Do I Need To Grow Old On
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- As an older person interested in cruising, what should I be looking for in a boat. We cruise extensively along the East Australian Coast on our 13 meter catamaran. Join us as we explore new cruising grounds, cross bars, fix all kinds of problems, ride out rough weather and live aboard for extended periods.
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Ive just listened to 42 minutes of pure common sense. Im sorry i have only just connected with your channel. I am now a happy subscriber. Thanks for an interesting and informative vid.
Welcome aboard dude. Thanks for that.
Hi Norm, as a retired 80 year old sailor, you have nailed it! Nothing like having been there and done it. Congratulations!
Wow, thank you John. Always good to get positive reviews from peers. Cheers dude
Wow, he did nail it. Average ownership 3 years, that's gold. I'm a armchair sailor, watch a bit of poo tube sailors, I won't be crossing oceans. Very sober thoughts, it's gold.
I have a steel sail assisted trawler, Diesel Duck 44. Two sails, paravanes, 1200 gallons fuel. John Deere 75 hp all mechanical. 1.7 GPH. Full size engine room. Came to the states from china on her own bottom.
Sounds like that would have been a great trip Dude.
Thanks for watching.
Wow! I guess having had my Alden schooner for 15 years and living aboard all but three years has me beating the odds. But, I'm always working on it. Gives me purpose now that I'm retired.
Keep at it dude. It'll keep you young.
Very good practical advice here. People sometimes ignore the fact that with age , your body experiences certain changes and you need a bit more comfort to work in and sleep/cook in. Get a comfy boat and keep your wife happy😅
Yep...keeping the wife happy will help keep you out there.
Thanks for commenting.
Hello Lord Dude. Many thanks for a very informative video. Being almost 80 years of age, I cannot hope to live on a boat myself which is something I always wanted to do, but "I live on a boat" through your eyes my friend, and enjoy every video you post. Stay safe my friend!
Thanks Angus. It's hard work doing it for both of us.
Cheers dude.
Good content.
I would emphasize dingy access for us older folks with decreased mobility. Getting in and out safely is key. Actually try the whole thing before you buy the boat. All the way in and out. It can be a lot harder than it looks. If you have a dog make sure they will do it too or you have a big problem. Ask me how I know.
Thanks
Good comments dude.
A good stable dinghy and a means to get in and out are pretty important.
Yup. Good one Norm. I’m into my 8th year on a 30’ and probs 4 to 5 times the initial cost(K30$$) to get the boat right -for me. Probably not for everyone but being minimal, minimal maintenance. I scrape by on a pension (72 yrs old) the biggest expense being the annual haul-out. Otherwise, “do it till you can’t” is a good philosophy (I reckon I got 5-7 yrs till I have to reevaluate). Stay safe, Dude.
Yeah good onya Jim. Only reason I helped you antifoul a while back, was the size of little Sayshell. Make sure she's antifouled before we catch up next season dude.
Great video and wonderful to hear you sharing a lifetime of boating experience in very practical terms
Happy cruising
Thanks so much for watching. Glad you enjoyed it.
Hello sir! I am not one for commenting, but this video is definitely deserving of a few minutes of my time. 3 years now I have been saving and searching for the right boat and this video has done 2 things for me.
1) Confirm that I've been heading in the right direction and 'keeping it real', that I've been acquiring the right knowledge and not getting caught up with what's currently "hip or cool'. It's great to get confirmation when watching an amazing resource such as yourself.
2) Provided confirmation on areas I wasn't sure about. You provide great info based on common sense, practicality, and experience. It's great to get confirmation on issues I may have been 'on a limb' over.
Specifically, I've been looking for used long range cruisers in the 43' to 47' range. My 3 top picks would be Fleming, Grand Banks, and Nordhavn. This includes the similar types as well, I mean not many of us can get our hands on a top Fleming 55'. The Grand Banks Aleutian is amazing (too many electric windows) and we all know Nordhavns. I have been looking for 40's length catamarans, but they're few and far between. I think I'm going to hang around the marinas and docks more to get to know small charter companies & captains better. Yes, they're more like buying a rental car, but with diesel engines you want good hours. People tend to look for low hours, but that's a huge mistake (good for me:)). If the rest of the boat has been maintained, then I would rather higher hours any day. These engines are made for 30,000 hours (easy).
I've subscribed so I don't forget to look over all your content. Thank you very much, take care, and God Bless, John (from Ohio, USA)
Thanks for the sub John . Love the three boats you have mentioned and agree on hours. Would rather have a boat with a few hours that was still being used, than one with low hours that wasn't.
Good luck in the search.
Cheers from Aus. Dude.
Thank You for your time to offer common sense information....Very helpful to old and new owners...Well done...
Thank you. My pleasure dude.
Hi Norm We always look forward to your posts, I remember when we cruised the East Coast 20 years ago we thought the liveaboards we met along the way were the fittest retirees both physically and mentally ever, Also as a community they were always looking out for each other. If you hadn’t arrived when you were supposed to be, they would be on the VHF with “ where the bloody hell are ya”
Stay safe
Peter SV Ikati
Yep. It's a great community still. Hope I have many more years left.
Thanks for the comment Dude.
Hi Norm so nice to see you are keeping Nelson Rabel’s legacy alive in such good condition
Thanks dude. He built a great boat.
Hi Norm as a professional catamaran boat builder,I have really enjoyed listening to you,the common sense you speak is spot on a few customers of mine need to listen to this,good advise ,cheers.
Thanks dude. Pass it on.
Thanks Norm very comprehensive much appreciated , I’m interested to know about the build process time and cost effectiveness after looking at all options for a few years now your video has reignited my interest in cruising/ living perhaps even ending my days aboard a Boat thanks again cheers
Great advice Norm. Very detailed and sensible. Keep up the videos.
Thanks dude. Thanks for watching.
Well done Norm . Very comprehensive and informative 👍
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the comment Dude.
Hi Norm, great video and as a 70 year old retired person and now full time sailor for seven years I have to say well done. I chose a 40foot GRP production catamaran and that has been perfect for all the reasons you describe. Two areas you didn’t mention and I get why you didn’t but have become vital to me are anchoring and networking. It took two years to get anchoring correct with so many variables ; weather, equipment location and idiots in day boats. Most of my knowledge comes from networking. There is so much information out there and the best comes from your fellow cruising sailors. In any anchorage there is hundreds of years of collective wisdom of like minded people on any topic. I love my life on my boat you touched on one more topic and that has to be constant vigilance; again weather, equipment, location and attitude. Plan everything and assume nothing. Well done Norm and thanks.
Thanks for watching I may have to put together another video on those topics.
Cheers dude.
with respect to Brupeg, it is an amazing testimony to a rebuild of a boat and a new life. Love their work, however do agree , there can be too much over engineering, duplication, redundancy built in to make it actually a practical boat to drive.. Frank from Sydney
A bit too busy for me Frank, but they're doing a great job.
And then there's SV Seeker.@@MotorSailingforOldDudes
I agree on the cat if you want comfort. The cockpit on most mono hull sailing boats under 60ft is imho too uncomfortable for lazy cruising , i need big comfy seats and loungers, beer fridge, no massive wheels in the way, kitchen on same level, lots of sun shade, no risk of head bumps. My main criteria above all else is 6.2 ft plus headroom just about everywhere . Some want the thrill of sailing fast which is a different ball game. However, I moor my 44ft power cruiser in lots of moorings a cat can’t get in . But if I went long distance cruising regularly it would be a comfortable sailing cat like a lagoon , or a power trawler aft cabin , like an old de fever . If I was not such a tight wad I would have something bigger but the haul out and anti foul costs would be so annoying.
As to mono sailing, I put 3 or 4 people off sailing for life once on a great sailing day in the Med. you have to pick your crew carefully I learned
Flybridges are a great way to keep separate groups or find some solitude . It’s not always a big communal party having guests
All sounds right dude. Stay Out There Till You Can't.
if you could only bottle that knowledge you'd be a rich man. best vid ever.
Yeah.. hard to bottle dude. Thanks for watching.
That was great Norm, thanks for a great explanation on boating life.
Glad you enjoyed it dude. It's a great way to do it.
Thanks for this episode. A very good, and thorough, examination of the many aspects of owning a boat and boating. And especially how they bear on older boaters' enjoyment of the experience.
My wife and I are VERY fortunate. We were young one-design racing sailors who also crewed on cruiser/racers in the Seattle area. One of our skippers gave us the best and most valuable advice of our boating lives when we shared with him that we were thinking of buying our own boat. He stressed two things: 1) truly and realistically define your mission; and, 2) buy the smallest boat you can find that will fully meet that mission in safety and with relative comfort. In 1982 we bought our 1976 37' Pacific Trawler. We decided on a trawler rather than a sailboat because it best fit our mission. It still does. Our mission was to cruise the Iniside Passage from Seattle, through British Columbia, and on to Southeast Alaska (roughly 1,000 miles), economically, safely, and in comfort.
The Pacific Trawler met that mission, perhaps even better than we initially thought. The older we get, the better the fit. We are in our late 70's now. We expect to be able to cruise the boat well into our 80's. (NOTE: the local joke in the Pacific Northwest is that all boats are powerboats in the summers. Some have masts. Some don't. There is a real lack of sailing winds in our summers. But we still also own an Etchells keeboat for racing, and so we can think of ourselves as sailors.)
Our trawler, Iron Wind, is a stout fiberglass hull that displaces about 28,000 lb when the tanks are full. The layup is .8 cm of external reinforced fiber glass, with 1.2 cm of balsa core, and an additional .8 cm of reinforced fiberglass laid up inside the core. Iron Wind carries 450 USgallons of diesel and 400 USgallons of water. We have never lived aboard year around, but have spent 3 to 4 months on the boat each summer for many years. We can go from our home in Friday Harbor, WA to Ketchikan, AK and return on a single tank of fuel, thanks to our old-tech Lehman-Ford diesel that burns about 2 gallons per hour at 6.5 kt. We even replaced the first engine with a rebuilt L-F in 2015 rather than moving on to a modern electronic-controlled diesel.
Your video reinforces much of what we have learned over the 40+ years we have owned and enjoyed our trawler. Anyone interested in the 37' and 40' Pacific Trawlers can easily find examples on Yachtworld and similar sites. Sail on - and on, and on.
Thanks for your story dude. Good to see you doing it on the other side of our planet.
Sounds like there are some great destinations on the loop.
Stay Out There Till You Can't.
I love that you called it Grog.
That's what it is dude.
Excellent view of what's needed for life on the water. Most things you mentioned for us older dudes make life better and safer for younger sailors too. Thanks for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching and commenting.
Love the solar / battery self sufficiency.
Also love our water maker. Ours is a quite complicated as it is a Spectra, but it just works beautifully with just filter changes.
Yep. Would be noice to have sometimes, but coastal, can probably do without.
G’day Dude, I started off watching your videos years ago and that got me into buying my own old girl. Now I continue to watch your stuff, because it’s really informative. This latest instalment is testament to your teaching style. I loved it. Thanks again for everything you provide. Cheers, Deano 👍⚓
No probs mate. Thanks for watching.
You are very knowledgeable. I could listen to you all day!
Thanks so much.
Very usefull insights 🙂
No nonsense, No blingbling 😁
Love it ! Cheers mate 🖖🏽
Thanks dude
Thanks Norm, Ive lived on a 40ft cat for sometime years ago, and you brought to attention all the other perils and works involved in other options. Glass 40footer for me one day
Thanks for watching and keep an eye out for that boat dude.
what a great deal of real information i 81 years old now and still dream of ending my life afloat had many river and day boats but dream is what keeps me going cheers and look forward to your channel in the future
Thanks for watching dude. Was talking to a mate yesterday 84. Been living aboard for ages. Video comming up.
Very good video on basics, KISS works. I have laminated check lists like flyers and quick reference for before leaving area and shutting down plus way points for trips.
Big Plus.
Sounds like a great idea Dude.
Well covered, agree 100% but would add, Gotta have aircon.
Yep..Nup...depends on how far North you are in summer. You need a heater in Tassie.
Thanks for the comment Dude
Thanks Norm. Very comprehensive and definitely sensible advice covered in your video. Not living on board mine but reckon I got enough ticks to do so. Great work mate. 👍👍
Thanks dude.Get out there.
Great advice Dude. My 34ft Mono Yacht is working well for me Part Time Cruising as Im only a young / still working 49 year old Dude :) Love your channel
Great Dude. Thanks for watching.
Don't mow till it's too late.
Gday norm myself and the wife love your vids mate , keep it up
Thanks Dudes. I enjoy making them, so glad you like watching.
Hi...love the idea of living on a boat.
Best lifestyle ever dude
What a fantastic video, been looking at boats for past year, most of what you covered I already thought about, so was great to hear from an old seadog confirming my research. Thank you so much.
Glad it helped dude.
Thank you for sharing, I sold my 43‘ Keeler, and I am definitely getting another sailboat. Your advice will certainly come in handy as a lot of aspects I hadn’t considered before will not happen again 😎 (subscribed)
Thanks dude. Glad it was helpful.
You definately don't need to buy a boat to grow old on. In fact, the rule of thumb has always been that "...if I can float it, fu@k it, or fly it, I'm gonna rent it..."
If it works for you dude. Fantastic.
Great video Norm covered heaps, I agree 100% regarding petrol and LPG engines and cooking, Ness and I have gone for diesel cooking as it is clean, safe and no shortage of fuel and down south you can use it for heating the cabin on a cold night. Loved the mention of the auto helm it has given me another expert opinion on the need for one when the wife said no
Thanks mate
Just get one Peter...or make her steer.
Thanks Dude. Great info.
thanks Peter.
I did it for about 7 years on 2 different boats. At the time I was a boat builder in Florida. Both of my boats were older and needed a bit of work. It did cost me a lot to fix them up, especially the 2nd one, but I outfitted it for extended cruising to the Bahamas and Caribbean Islands. It was a 30' monohull with a fully encapsulated keel. My boss had a 47' Norseman Cat and it was incredible, luxurious and plenty of space. I almost bought it from him but it was just too much boat for one guy and I'm not the type to have borders or crew...the 30' I could easily manage myself and it was just big enough to comfortably live aboard and maintain.
I just picked up an old 26'er and am now gutting it and changing everything to create a Great Loop boat Camp-Cruiser, for a year long inland waterway voyage. But in the meantime I'm always on the lookout for my next home on the water. Fiberglass is King!
Yep. Good luck with the project. Great Loop sounds like fun.
Thanks for comments dude.
@MotorSailingforOldDudes It was my pleasure. Glad to see people living the dream and glad I found your channel.
Brilliant and helpful video thanks x
Glad it was helpful dude.Thanks for watching.
Nice vid Norm, very informative, like you say keep it simple, always the way to go. Cheers 👍
Glad you enjoyed it dude. Thanks
Thanks, very informative.
Glad it was helpful dude.
Great video norm perfectly done
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for commenting.
Thank You. Great talk!
Thanks for watching.
Love your videos and wisdom!! Your teaching so many, especially me! Thank You
You are so welcome dude.
Thanks for commenting.
The best boat for an old dude is one he can afford to own and operate without going broke ten years before he dies.
Doesn't have to be that way.
@@MotorSailingforOldDudes Explain how that works please, steal a boat and supplies?
Great information wow a lot to take in have a great week 👍👍
Thank you! You too! watch it twice dude.
Thanks. A lot of essential ideas for safety and everything else !
Thank you for watching.
As an 80 year old the QE2 would suit me😊
Sounds good dude. A bit on the large side for me.
Omg, so informative. I ate up every word. Thank you so much
Thanks for watching.
Thanks norm I really like the honesty and knowledge you pass on it’s very informative for someone like me who would love to do what you are one day thanks very much….
Glad to help. Hope it works for you and you can join the cruising mob.
You explained things very well with lots of examples and explanations. Well done!
Glad it was helpful, Thanks for watching
I’ve learned so much from people like this kind enough to share their experiences thank you
Thanks for watching and the comment.
Very sage advice. Yhank you Norm.
Thanks Dave
Great Helpful information thanks Norm😅
Glad it was helpful dude. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks mate! Great vid
No probs dude.
All very relevant points Norm - and all reinforce my belief that 'Peggy Anne' meets the brief !!
Yep.. She does it well dude. Starting to cool down here, nearly time to head north.
Spot on brother!
Thanks for the comment Dude.
Simplicity Is Always The Answer🙂..Great Vid ,Cheers Mate
Thanks dude.
This was really interesting. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it Rod. Thanks for watching.
Interesting, insightful and well put together 👍
Thanks dude.
Very informative Norm.
Thanks Mark.
Thanks Norm.
No probs dude
I watched this video this evening and it is my first time seeing one of yours. I appreciate your approach to telling it like it is. This video has made me feel good about the many choices I made with my purchase. I am 72 yrs old but in good shape for my age so hopefully I can get on for several years in my new home. (in my 3rd year now)
The route I took was to purchase a fixer upper, and it has been all of that as it had basically been chartered to death with minimal maintenance. Advice I would give to a normal person is that unless they are extremely mechanically inclined, is to to find a boat that was not in charter and owned by people that took very good care of it. This will save so much work and expense.
My boat tics off most of the items you touch on, perhaps with the exception of the KISS principle. My solar, alternators and regulators, inverters, etc. are a bit too complicated and I worry about future maintenance issues with what I have but it is all working Ok for now.
FWIW, my boat is a 2008 Leopard 40 owners version. I do sometimes yearn for a monohull because of the costs associated with having two of nearly everything, but then the redundancy seems to make it all worthwhile. Crossing from Mexico to Cuba and losing an engine along the way in rough weather, due to a broken impellor, made having engine redundancy well worthwhile!
Good advice dude.
Thanks for watching and comments
While its not about what sort of boat to buy one thing I would also like to re-inforce (in my very humble opinion) never ever sell your house to buy or finance a boat. I have seen way to many people do exactly this and then when they realize the cruising life is not for them they have been left behind on the real estate ladder. Or if you are going to sell the house at least buy a little unit or similar to go back to. As Norm has quite rightly stated a boat is not an investment and its value will never keep up with real estate. (Exception was the time of covid but the market is now going back to pre covid prices much to the angst of those who paid stupid money for their boat)
Very true comment Dude.
Your boat will never evaluate as much as real estate.
Good practical advice there Norm
Thanks dude.
Pure common sence, highly informative and educational, thankyou very much Norm for sailing us through the nitty-gritty of life as a sailor, good on you
Thanks for the kind comments.
Great Norm thanks
No probs Peter.
Great video, alot of just plan common sense. I worked on drlg rigs for may decades and we had to repair everything back in the day. Thxz
Tough job. Thanks for watching.
Inspired me and J to buy our boat SY Oddfellow and live on board part of the year . Only 28 foot Davidson but can’t wait to get back on board . Thanks Norm we are staying out there till we can’t !
Great to hear. Good onya dudes
Thanks Norm .
Loved your chat .
From Nz .
My wife and I have just brought a 39ft pelin
And are starting our journey in the
marlborough sounds
Great. Enjoy Dudes.
Fuel is only going to get worse, much worse. Also understand that big business will not allow this way of life for much longer. It wants you connected to its plug and dependent on it for everything. People living on boats are already getting pressured and are living on borrowed time. Of coarse if you are wealthy, then it won't be an issue.
Legend
GREAT INFO!❤😊
Glad it was helpful Dude.
I Agree with Everything You Mentioned.
Great. Thanks for watching.
Good discussion mate. 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it dude. Thanks for comment.
Right on!
Thanks Dude.
Captivating
Thanks for the comment.
Really enjoyed the video Mate! Been a boater for 54 years. Never lived aboard. Nearing retirement and just thinking about it. Thank you from North Carolina USA
Yep. Living aboard when retired is great.
Plenty to do and time to wait for the weather.
Thank you for your wisdom & guidance Old Dude.
Me teeth have gotten a bit longer as Father Time has progressed!
Yours is a video of
*considerable* Need
in my tiny little life.
🙏🦉
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Well thank you so much for watching and the kind comments.
Cheers dude
Great video
Thanks dude.
Thank You!
No probs dude.
Thank you! Great advice. I grew up sailing around the world with my family, and have owned boats since, but now at 40 with my own family just bought a 43ft yacht and very much looking forward to the adventures and experiences on it. I like the simple, easy to look after, practical approach to your advice.
Thanks Angus. Enjoy your new boat and safe sailing dude.
@@MotorSailingforOldDudes Thank you. You too!
Hi Norm
I've had and loved boats since I was 15 to 55. At 60 I'm up for it again.
Cheers
Mal
Great idea Malcome. It's a lot easier if your retired.
thank you very help full
Thanks dude.
Hi Norm. This is a well informed video. Have a number of vessels now but not as a live aboard. Talked wife into it, so selling up and buying a live aboard. Keep those videos coming.
Thanks Roger. good luck with the Transition. have nearly finished a video on Retiring Aboard. Will be out soon.
Your years of living and cruising aboard come through in your recommendations for a boat to live aboard in retirement, all good points. Our last boat was a fuel efficient 12m powercat, and we were able to cruise to Thailand and back. We only sold it and went ashore when we decided that the maintenance was getting too hard physically to do ourselves and didn't want others to do it.
Yep. I guess that would make it hard.
New sub. I’m not a boater. Just enjoy your info. Started watching your videos from 11 years ago.
Thanks for watching dude.
And thanks for the sub.
Really informative dude 👌
Glad you liked it Dude. Thanks for watching.
Total experience.
Thanks dude.
Checking in from Canada, and planning to retire aboard...as you Aussies would say: Chrikey Mate, you answered every question I had and then some...good on ya...and I subscribed to follow along with you moving forward...your a wise man, and I will always defer to my Elder's..time is longer than the road, and best heeded by those with the sense God gave them...thank you for all the great information....with that I am off to pop a top on a Foster's....good day mate...and may calm waters always follow your flag sir!....Don in Canader...eh
Well thanks mate.
Great to have ya onboard.
Look like having some Canadian crew on down the track.
My cop of tea. Me and my great wife is planning for a life aboard living boat. Growing older with too big property to take care off we want a more layback lifestyle. Lagoon 42 is the boat we are planning to buy. We been boating our whole life but only for weekends and holydays. Now it is all in taking control doing what we want😊😊😊
Yep. You can become a bit of a slave to property and big houses as you get older.
The cruising life is pretty simple.
Good luck with the transition Dudes.
Thanks Norm. About to stop working (at 56) and set sail for a decade or hopefully longer. I have chosen an aluminium 40 foot French built sailboat. Nanni (Kubota) engine with no turbo or electronics. Great Victron LiFePO4 and solar system. What one really needs to consider is climate change and the future of diesel. Fuel is going to become more expensive and one will have to rely more on wind and solar in years to come.
I guess so dude. Sounds like a good setup. Have fun out there.
Great Talk Mate !
I just subscribed .
Tanks dude.
Great programme ,so informative and obviously a very experienced sailor. I do not sail.
A shame. But it's not for everyone. Thanks for watching.
Good morning Norm and all.
Hi Peter.
Hey Norm Dude thanks so much your knowledge is much appreciated. 56 young and planning semi boat retirement wife not to keen thats why semi boat life
Could work dude. Maybe she'll get to like it.