Ai Art is Killing Etsy
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As Ai does everything it can to take our jobs, Ai art has flooded Etsy in the last year or so. With entire stores making 6 figures, and racking up thousands of sales with shoddy, unoriginal artwork made by Ai image generators.
Etsy was once a place that claimed to ‘keep commerce human’. But Ai art and drop shipping has led to Etsy feeling oversaturated and full of outright garbage. You might as we shopping on Amazon, Temu and Wish, as Etsy is now a shadow of its former self.
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No, dropshippers killed Etsy. AI "art" was just the final nail in the coffin.
when they started to allow mass-manufactured goods was when it turned a corner and went against the point of the website. those selling jewellery supplies or whatever i was kinda OK with, but it was a very slippery slope.
I agree. When I found how many of the items I was looking at were from dropshippers, I closed Etsy and never came back.
Similairly low grifters tbf
@@narthic I can't find ANYTHING handmade on the site anymore. Any time I think I have, I message them about custom orders as a test, and sure enough the answer is always some variation of "no" in broken english.
The easy-money dudebros are always threatening artists be it by interfering and scamming or with AI if AI is such a good artist why post is as handmade? I thought it was superior or some shit?
Saw an anime "artist" selling commissions for 300$ and it was clearly Ai. Worst part, they actually had buyers
Wow that's crazy! Do you mind giving the shop or artist name?
wouldnt be suprised if many of these ''buyers'' are actually also AI bros trying to boost the page.
This is why i'm switching to weird, abstract and unique semi-realism styles in the future. AI art has already fvcked up the job market i don't know what the hell it's gonna do in the next 20 years
These people claiming to be artists are hilarious
It because normies just don't know or even care what is AI. They don't even see all the mistakes AI makes. People buying crap and they don't care about quality or how it's made... that's the dream of any online shop owner.
killing every search engine’s results too
Oh my GOD this times ten. I cannot search for anything without AI images filling up the results. Even worse if what I'm looking for is even slightly specific : |
@@Neogeddon exactly so tired of google showing me ai generic pretty women and cyborgs for the nth time when they aren’t even related to my search. always an eyesore
Let's be honest, Google prioritizes your searches to meet their advertising needs.
@@yackablejohnson1485 For text searches, definitely, although there's other criteria too - I used to work for a data company where I mostly just did quality compares between Google search results for different searches (for example, a list of the first five results in two different orders for the search "apple" or whatever). For medical searches they HIGHLY de-prioritize non-accredited sites so that's why you only get "you have stage 100 ultra cancer" type stuff for anything medical. It all has to be legally the worst possible outcome haha.
For image searches, I wish I knew. Didn't do much with those.
The entire Internet will be AI content and bots at some point. It will be pointless to even use the Internet for connecting with real people.
It's killing all other creator sites as well, hard to find legit art made by people.
Hard to find people to sell art to as well, especially after Twitter went offline/changed. I'm hoping bluesky fills some of that market, but I'm thinking a lot about just selling at craft fairs. Harder to do commissions but at least I know the people in front of me are real.
I dont if the art is by ai or not, the problem is how inaccurate it is
@@jablinski_time You should care if its made by ai, its incredibly unethical as it exclusively feeds off real artists work in order to produce the images without paying anyone a single dime all while competing with artists in their own field, its labor theft on an unprecedented scale.
Yeah I don’t post anything anymore. I never had social media so I deleted art station and deviant art. I dont need likes and I dont need to sell my art. So glad I never got a career as an artist. My advice if you want to create art is become a tattoo artist. There’s not much money in it unless you make it to the top of your area and are very good at drawing tattoos. The job I have now pays way more than tattooing could ever come close to. Probably a lot more than any job using my art. I doubt that there are any art jobs where you can make over 100,000 a year unless your art is better than the vast majority.
@@pawnzrtasty I currently work as a 3D artist, I currently make a little over 100k but I also have like 15+ years experience, making unique character/creatures and environments. I like to buy and hang other artists work in my home office helps inspire me to make new works.
Half of Pinterest is AI garbage now too. I've been trying to sell crochet patterns on Etsy but new shops are now competing with AI "pattern writers" and people are very wary now.
AI is the final nail in the coffin. Globalism doesn't work as long as an east asian sweatshop can out-produce aany western maker and advertize garbage quality crap to millions.
It just doesn't work. How will there be profit when 80% of people are out of their jobs?
It's like they're trying to automate everything as some magic black box stuff out of some utopian bull.
I usually choose "not recommend" option in pinterest
you can also block the ai posters
@@artunblock9433 even if I block one the other one keep coming again, it just too many of those shit being uploaded and a lot of people who not honest to label it as AI generated on the title
Etsy is overflowing with scammers anyway. It's just the final nail in the coffin.
Fiverr is having a problem, too. It literally has a category to request and pay specifically for generated AI art and yet you go looking for non-AI commissions and a disturbing amount of them are still obviously AI now.
I hate that these tools were made public. OF COURSE it was never going to be used for anything other than this.
So des art station . they sell Ai as package
I went looking for an audiobook narrator for my novel on Fivver and I swear at least one of them was AI, did not sound like a human at all. But there was no disclaimer that it was AI generated. If I'm gonna be dropping thousands of dollars on a voice to bring my book to life I'm not going to risk it being an AI.
@@Sullivancohen So what's the "risk" if it is AI and it sounds really good? You can buy the software for less too and do it yourself.
@@xlightableBecause they're not looking for some cheap Ai crap and instead something genuine and real.
Ai voices also aren't as good as real voices.
Imagine paying money for an AI art generator *prompt*
In a gold rush, sell shovels. Ethics aside I think its kinda genius.
@@grinningtiki220The problem is that the shovels are the AI generators being sold by the AI companies. Prompts aren't shovels, it's more like trying to sell instructions on how to remove dirt from the ground.
@@grinningtiki220It's nothing at all like selling shovels, it's selling fake gold at such a massive rate that the people who actually go through the trouble of finding gold chips get drowned out by the scammers selling rocks dipped in paint. But that is how our system works, scumbags willing to be degenerate filth get rewarded while honest hard work is looked down upon.
@grinningtiki220 It's not like buying shovels. It's like buying a random picture of gold which you can print out yourself 😒
buy a 15 - 60$ midjourney subscription, or pay 3$ for an image. It's not that far fetched.
as an actual artist, specifically anime artist, this increase is frustrating because it feels like nobody can tell the difference between ai and handmade images. Being a digital artist too, this makes everything worse.
That sucks, someone just posted that they saw an anime AI "artist" selling commissions for $300 😮
yeah I stopped doing anything digital and went back to watercolor because I've yet to see AI even come close to passable with watercolor. You can also take pictures of the work on your workspace as extra proof it's not fake if anyone questions anything.
I started a mural business. There’s not much point in selling digital art online that I have to work for 2 weeks to do, when there’s so much AI slop. Sure, my fully rendered illustrations are BETTER & accurate. But 2-3w of my life vs what someone makes in 5 seconds, they can just spam sites with that & our real art gets lost
@@wynngwynnI just straight up stream myself drawing my stuff now lol
@@wynngwynnwhy can't you just post speedpaint for proof every 3 years
I’m really hoping Etsy puts some sort of restrictions on AI. It’s predatory and misleading, and pushes aside the actual valid artists on the site.
There are restrictions, their tos states pretty explicitly that listings of items that were not handmade or are resells of items you can purchase elsewhere are not allowed. You have to report them to get them removed though.
I know because I’ve reported listings in the past of AI generated D&D character art, and have come back the next day to see the shop has had all its listings removed. Same with someone I saw reselling a hobby lobby Christmas tree there.
The system is dependent on users reporting the content.
@@Im.A1ex How do you report listings? Because when I tried, they make it literally impossible to report them.
@@rubyy.7374on your phone app scroll all the way down on the listing and there’s a report option. Choose it doesn’t meet Etsy’s policies, then the first option after is it’s not handmade, vintage, or craft supplies. There’s also an option for the policy not being listed. You can then describe after what specifically is wrong and all I typed every time was “AI generated, not handmade”. Always resulted in the listings being removed.
@@Im.A1ex If the rules have to be enforced by the users, they might aswell not exist
@@theanonymspysandwichit’s a situation like youtube. Etsy is too large to moderate like you’re thinking, unless you want AI to creep in there as well and decide for itself whether or not your stuff deserves to be listed.
I’m honestly so sad about what ai art has done to pinterest :
It's honestly the worst! 😭 You'll have a loot of pictures that look eerily similar with each other, and Pinterest doesn't even do anything to prevent it 😒
Real. I know it's niche but I used to come to Pinterest for photography of places I might never get to see. Now it's all uncanny valley with no filter. If anyone finds a way to get rid of the slop so I can have actual photographed reality back, please tell me.
@@JustAStranger2840 I have no solution but protesting against AI and making governments aware of the threat (as if they'd care about artists, I know I know) would be a start at least :/
I can't find character art for RPGs without being inundated with ai generated art
the fact that the creators never thought to implement a watermarking system is criminal
Its amazing that people are so lazy that they don't even do any inpainting or minor Photoshop work.
Probably because they don’t even have the skills to see what’s wrong. The typical AI bro not only wants to profit off of fake art but they genuinely don’t believe there’s much to learn about art nor do they care about all of the basic principles that make a work good…or at least convincingly human.
Inpainting doesn't get a lot of attention specifically because anyone doing touchups on AI art probably has the skills to draw or photobash something themselves. While I'm not going to go as far as to say AI can never make art or that AI has no place in an artistic process, the people who actually know how to make art do not want to integrate AI into their process (or at least, don't want to be caught doing so). AI is very good at shitting out *passable* images very quickly, which is extremely useful to spammers, scammers, hustlers, and people with no taste.
In other words, it's Zombie Modernism all over again.
@@Window4503 They dont need to. Something a lot of artists seem to miss is that you dont make art for other artists. You make art for normal people. Normal people dont care about basic principles. They only care that it looks good to them.
@@Window4503 As long as people are buying this garbage then it doesn't really matter.
@@Window4503 if buyers see no difference - whats the point of real artists then?
This is even affecting fiber arts. Last few days I found a pair of shops ran by the same scammer selling crochet patterns with the majority of product images created by ai generated. Ai doesn't have a clue how a written pattern will look at the end, so the patterns weren't gonna match.
I've been trying to sell crochet patterns on Etsy and I'm finding it very difficult because nobody wants to take a chance on a new shop with few sales due to fake AI patterns. Really sucks.
@@jennayamamoto4125 This will cost your time but can help, make small videos showing your process and work, put it on youtube and tiktok and you can get a small fanbase that will start buying patterns in your shop to support you, at least it will show you're human
@@jennayamamoto4125Social media might help if you prove and show you actually exist and that's been my method lately to scammer/ai filter. Use blog posts which folks can pin around on Pinterest or link on forums. If you talk about the trial & error process with a finished project image, that should be enough. Heck I found a gamer's pattern shop through her video streams, so even other fields can verify you.
Sorry though if none of that's an option and I'm giving useless advice. I hope things pick up and you are mad talented for making & recording your patterns.
Oh yes, the disturbing amount of absolutely cute but technically impossible crocheted animals is hillariously shocking 😂😭
I've seen publications of fake insanely cute anime figurines sold as supposed preorders for insane prices and people are buying into it! (This was on aliexpress, they do refund you but if you don't ask for it you're just lending money to a scammer for up to two months or if you let it be the system just assumes you got your imaginary figurine)
As an artist on Etsy, my sales took a dip soon after AI art started hitting the platform. Thanks for shining a light on this issue. It's sad.
Same here 😩
It really sucks that glorified tracers can flood the market with their shit pushing out real artists.
You're not entitled to other people's money
I'll spend my money where I want.
@@infini_ryu9461 buy yourself a brain
So frustrating - everyone who's good at their craft (text or image) can see the flaws of the majority of AI slop, but it's just good enough to fool those who don't care. It's just ruining everything not by being better but just by spamming above a certain threshold.
Anytime I look up art references on Google, on the image page It just comes up with AI generated bs. I wanna reference REAL designs not ai generated slop.
if you add before:2020 onto your search, it should return images from before the AI boom.
@@thesufficientgatsby in addition to this, try adding "-ai" to your search. You can also look up names of A.I. image generarion sites and "subtract" them from your searches (Ex: -lexica, -midjourney). Hope this helps, and happy drawing!
you can do -“ai” which removes anything with the word ai on it. You can also put in any ai website name on -“” and it will remove all of the slop
@@thesufficientgatsbyI hate how we need to do that for most things now. The internet really sucks now
You can also type out -"insert word to exclude from your search results here"
As a 3D Artist Etsy is just the place every one goes to sell our work as their own for a full living wage with zero consequences so I really don't care if the entire platform rots
i fucking hate these people.
ive avoided etsy for so long as a 3d modeller because i figured this was probably happening, when what you're selling is a digital file its incredibly easy to rip it and pass it off as your own....... frustrating
@@alita8900 the shittyness really started once they allowed 'vintage' and other non handmade categories. It allowed resellers to flourish.
Had a stroke reading that
literally wdym?
The enshittification of every platform is so frustrating. Being a website for handmade items has an obvious cap for growth so they’re just letting anyone sell anything sell there while constantly raising their fees.
Good term!
“Enshittification”… Good one. That’s a part of my vocabulary from now on.
every corner of every hobby is being over ran with this nonsense....
All while they laugh and mock with the same arguments they love to use to justify themselves.
You will only work for your corporate overlords and be happy.
@@donkeywithascarf2435There is tech bros trying to mess with that already
Youd be shocked. Ive already seen people selling AI crichet images as real things. And even more infuriating. Ive seen people fall for it. And it makes me so mad cuz its usually older women just wanting a cute project@@donkeywithascarf2435
I think it’s gonna come full circle. People will quickly tire of art that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny, and the value of actual art compared to AI sludge will greatly increase. AI can’t visit these places and take photo references. It can’t know for certain what these different locations look like at all these cinematic angles, and it has no eye for getting the details right. If people want art that looks good at more than a passing glance, then they’ll have to pay a real artist.
I used to sell prop vampire slayer kits there. Gave up years ago when all my listings were removed for containing illegal substances - they contained prints illustrating a wolfsbane plant.
... but the theft and AI gets to stay up :)
Do you know why wolfsbane is illegal? I feel like people wouldn't even know it is unless they ban it, like they did with your art!
@@TV---kn2rl The funny thing is... It's not. People grow it, nurseries sell the plants and seeds. There are stricter regulations about shipping plant material between US states or across national borders, but that's because of the possibility of sending contaminants like fungal spores or the eggs of invasive insects.
I wouldn't actually ship extremely poisonous plants, myself, but I certainly could if I took the proper precautions and went through the appropriate channels. But Etsy decided even a picture of the plant was too hazardous for their liking. 😂 I wonder if they'd have been okay with it if the picture was AI generated.
@@quiestinliterisAlso, like two thirds of common garden flowers are extremely poisonous. Would be weird to target just the one.
@@neatoburrito3170 I... actually kind of forget that occasionally. Because my cats are idiots, so I can only plant things that are safe for them or that smell so strongly they'll leave it alone. But yeah, larkspur, lily of the valley, oleander, foxglove, lantana, angel trumpets... Humans really like cultivating things we Should Not Eat.
Ai is grey goo. What scientist once feared nanotechnology would do to the natural world ai is doing to the internet
Well said 👏
That’s an amazing analogy
I don't think any scientist was afraid of nanotechnology
@@Bettersucksaul I never said scientists were afraid of nanotechnology. I said that there was a fear that it could result in what was termed “grey goo”. If you’re not familiar with the subject a simple google search would help you get up to speed.
@@benshehmorgan2375a google search is too much effort for AI cultists
The market was already crowded enough before this. Now it's all mucked up even further with junk ai images on poor quality products. Conventions, art markets, art portfolio sites. It's everywhere, shoving out real artists in places it has no business being.
I remember how easy it used to be to find reference images and beautiful art with a very simple google image search or deviantart search. Now there so much ai crap to wade through to find something half-decent or an ACTUAL photo to use for art referencing. It should not be as difficult as it is these days to find a real photo of a real place, yet here we are.
yeah- I try finding reference photos of people or animals and 1/4 of google images brings up AI generated crap. I can't even use AI art as reference because they will always get the anatomy wrong somewhere. I would rather not feed my brain garbage when trying to get proportions right
Some dudes say you can use AI gens as reference, but I heavily disagree.
Most of it is poorly generated and thought out which renders it unusable, you spend more time, effort and electricity at generating something that somewhat resembles to what you have in mind and worst of all, is incredibly detrimental to beginner artists who are just starting with their visual libraries.
@@Local_custard yeah how about you take a elementary science course, like it's not that hard to know people don't have 7 fingers, also maybe use real humans as reference, not genshin 😊
@@Jerry_quesoso i mean, i've used ai art for inspiration and color palettes, so it's not completely useless
The saddest thing is that this reality in which I used to go on Pinterest or Deviantart or Artstation to be inspired by the work of other artists, was only 1 year and a half ago. And now everything is flooded with AI. It's as if there's no longer a safe environment for real art.
Lol, these "AI artists" can't even do basic Photoshop stuff to at least correct their AI-generated imagery. And then they get enraged when called out by real artists on Twitter/X.
It's always funny how AI bros will self consciously try and justify their involvement in their "craft" by specifying how long it took and how much they had to edit the prompt even though now you can get a good result in like 20 minutes. A skilled artist can do an ink sketch in like 10-20 minutes, an art piece might tak hours but that's usually down to the medium and/or level of detail...I was prompting and I almost had to laugh at the concept of an AI artist. You don't have to prompt for hours i you can edit out the artefacts/edit it together. Prompting is addictive because your rolling the dice to see what you can get it to do, it has the same dopamine hit as tracing. The feeling that you've created something but you haven't really.
@@91Vault Exactly. At the end, it still looks soulless. I've tried AI art generators multiple times. I think, for inspiration and concept/reference art, it's pretty useful. But for full-blown artwork, nah.
Pretty much. Most people hopping on this band wagon are grifters and scammers. They don't actually have any skills. I bet you the people applying for the new "AI Prompter" job openings you see on LinkedIn that pays up to 300k a year think you are gonna get paid that much just by typing in words, not realizing they most likely refer to people with actual degrees and technical experience working in STEM field in AI machine learning. You know, the guys that work in Google.
The people doing this and the people on twitter are not the same people. Also the only reason they arent fixing their stuff is because there is no need to, people will buy it regardless
@@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 Unfortunately.
The ppl buying it are the worst part of it all.
YES!
Also, the fact that they are such pricks that want to receive everything fast and super cheap.
I sell some of my old action figures online. If I'm not checking it daily and post it asap I lose the sale.
Because the platforms wants to satisfy customers crazy demands for delivery.
Braindead consumerism.
@@asimhussain8716 People having no standards and always wanting everything fast and cheap sort of ruins everything.
@@asimhussain8716 But quality will be sacrificed
@@asimhussain8716 And market will be full of shitty low quality defective products
Ai is not just killing Etsy it ripping the soul out of creativity … people don’t know what they are buyjng until it’s too late. Ai is robbing our world of beautiful art that is made with love and heart. I feel sad that many talented artists will be strangled at the birth of their artistic life by Ai and it’s suffocating way of swamping all artistic market places. It’s poop with sprinkles on it looks nice but is actually crap!!! Those who peddle this Ai much have stinky fingers and even stinkier souls.
They're working on replacing programmers, too. Eventually videogames will be coded by AI and it won't stop there, I won't be surprised if once they're done with squeezing the creative industry dry they try to replace jobs like lawyers, doctors, engineers and so on.
Art is only the beginning.
This level of automation gives me such a level of dread it genuinely feels like a nightmare I can't wake up from.
Etsy has been dead for a long time
AI art is ugly, uncanny and has to many fingers, stinky or not. "Humanmade"is going to be a selling point very, very soon. Just wait and watch.
They need to Realize its a Tool to Help, not Replace but the Sad thing is Delusional People and Companies only see the Big Bucks, nobody cares about the Soul and Quality, only the Quantity
@@pyerack They're Taking any Job away that is fun for anyone, I feel like in the next 50 years, were going to have Soul Sucking Jobs like Office workers and AI Engineers left, the Devs for AI did not think how this would effect Everything long-term or See the issues of it, all they saw were Big Bucks for themselves, then you have people saying "Ai Is ThE FuTuRE, WaKe Up PeOPle!" Sure its the Future, but in the way they are using it, it is the worst way, if its here to stay it needs to be Massively Regulated for the Art and Animation Side of Stuff.
Not to mention AI uses Copyrighted and Non Copyrighted Material for their Algorithm meaning that They Violate the Copyright law (if what i heard is correct), Doesn't matter if in the Coming Years if it gets better, it Should never Replace People and be the Final Product, it should be used as a tool to assist Artist and Animators for Inspiration, Sadly like I've said before, they only see the Money, and will Housing Prices Skyrocketing, and Monthly Subscriptions being the norm, People are Desperate to keep a Roof over their heads Regardless of who it is hurting
My brother got into Ai art a while ago, soon after he started selling print on demand Ai image phone cases on Etsy, which was met by protest from me. He ended selling 3 phone cases before he gave up. His reasons for giving up were that the receipts from Etsy were "too difficult" to put through for taxes, that he "wasn't getting enough money" from each sale, and that he wasn't being promoted by the algorithm. I find it really disgusting that he puts in no effort whatsoever and still feels justified to complain about getting money for free.
That is revolting, I am so sorry you have a brother like him
ew
should have made fun of him for being talent less
If you are from a low income contry it is a more appealing solution than for europeans or north americans. The same goes for sites like fiver.
sounds like a decent idea to make some money on the side, unfortunate that he didnt see it through
Etsy was already dead and burred after scammers flooded it with "artisan" Chinese jewelry and other dropshipped crap.
I dont understand why hustlebros dont just buy and sell stocks or some shit instead of ruining every other industry with their get-rich-quick schemes, but maybe they are just that dumb.
Oversaturated market. If there are 100 hustle bros doing daytrading guides and none doing a way to profit from Etsy, the 101st hustle bro will get a lot more views teaching people how to turn Etsy into a hustle. As long as hustle culture grows so will the amount of places infected by it. The big money isn't actually in the hustle, its in convincing dumb teenagers and young adults to buy your course or watch your vids.
@@temtem9255 So yes, they are dumb
Tech bros really think they are a gift to the world
its because they actually think they made it. I've prompted and whilst I was surprised at how the results captured the way I imagined the characters...then I realized it was just presenting me options and I was filling in the gaps, making myself think thats what I imagined.
Etsy is killing itself.
Good. I hope they go bankrupt, AI wasn't even the killer, it was letting dropshippers and copyright infringers do whatever they want. It got so bad that AliExpress warehouses started selling on Etsy themselves!
Shareholders are happy. That's the only goal of capitalism. You must be 12 y o
time for a new platform! this is free markets! if only the customers knew this...
Its so disturbing how a lot of people "commission" AI "artists" knowing it's AI, or they don't know and they're wasting their money. Ive seen someone selling "handmade" pieces for €200 ($218)
Most non-artists can't tell the difference. There is actually such a thing as "visual IQ", and that's why some people learn to draw very well in a few weeks (Like Pewdiepie), but then there's others who draw for a decade and their art still looks like it was made by a toddler.
Prompts and proper results are an art form. The digital manipulation that comes after is a serious skill.
@@yackablejohnson1485 "prompts are an art form" BWAHAHAHAHAHA good one! xD
@@yackablejohnson1485 it may be a skill but it's certainly not an art form.
@@Mephitinae I'm no 2D artist, but I am a 3D modeler that had 4 Years Experience, and even i know how other Artist Feel about this, hell i talked about it with my friends but they brush anything I say about AI's Negative Impact, and they joke on me about hating AI, and that's because most of them are not in the same field as me so they don't care, Most of the Use AI alot as well, mainly the Voice Changing and AI Voice stuff, and one of my friends animating a Video is using the AI Voice Models Because the VA's he Commissioned is Busy (He is 20 BTW) When he could Hire Other VA's, hell I offered to Pay others too but he brushed that aside for me Hating AI.
I can understand AI is Here and there is no Changing that.
And I will admit I am a bit Guilty of Using it a bit in 2022 and 2023 but that was because I didn't see it becoming a massive Problem until Now, now i don't even Touch websites like MidJourney and Bing's AI anymore to Silently show my support for Human Work
It Sad that People are Using AI as Final Product Material and Damaging Everything Art is, i really hope it is Strongly Regulated so it doesn't Abuse and Take way Real Artists
The one thing I hate most about these AI-gen images is that it reduced creative work to just "contents" and "earnings".
It's soulless not just because it's machine-made, but also the one who type the prompt pours no intention into those images.
AI-gen images don't "make art available to more people", it devalues art, makes art cheap
A prompt is literally an intention. It is literally a description of your intent when generating the image.
This one isn't even an opinion.
Things that are cheaper are available to more people.
Also not an opinion.
A lot of people have wonky, self absorbed opinions about AI but you are just confusing. Your points are so provably false it just makes no sense for you to think that.
Really though, who cares if people can't afford it? Art was always a luxury to begin with
Ok,then go and say to any car factory to build all cars by hand. Why not? Then go and remove any AI from all the industries cuz its soulles and makes it cheap! You ppl only care about art, cuz it was either your earning and now you have to put more effort, or cuz you have very little idea how protesting agaisnt AI makes no sense
@psychokuca302 AI helping us with boring, soulless, even dangerous tasks is awesome and completely different from art- this has nothing to do with just hating all AI in general.
AI spits out soulless pictures, with no thought or intent behind them, whereas an artist creates their visions and ideas with meaning and purpose. Of course people are going to have an issue with stuff being soullessly poured out just to make a quick profit, especially when the machine is being fed works that real people took the time and effort to create, without their permission and with no compensation.
@@nyancat8828 Problem is, ppl will say *ewww* currently whenever they just hear “AI”, no matter how much AI was used. Ppl straight up hate AI without being reasonable. Yes, a lot of AI are is soulless,but there are also a lot of good AI art, which was worked by person in photoshop to fix this created art, to make it actually good. But ppl will still call it soulless,cuz it was made by AI. Blindly hating something is bad.
I'm also going to mention none of the sellers for ai actually own their images. With US laws at least, anything generated with ai cannot have a copyright as a human didn't make it. They fall into public domain from my understanding. So it is legal to buy off a seller, only to resell the file.
It doesn't really matter to the sellers that their GenAI product is in the public domain if people are still buying. Easy come, easy go.
@@augustday9483I don't know if that's universally the case. I've noticed in general quite a few ai users get a sense of pride and mistakenly think they have ownership over the images (like a real artist). But yeah, you're probably correct in regards to a good chunk for sellers.
That's not quite true. If there is AI assistance but a human worked on the art or writing, it can be copyrighted, but strict AI generated content isn't copyrightable.
@@Tawny593 Unfortunate
its nice that AI Stuff isn't getting Copyrighted, but it also has to work the other way around, and that is Preventing any Copyrighted Material being Used in AI Generative Stuff, So that People and Companies don't Abuse this System.
Ugh, I wondered why my print sales were down. The apocalypse is upon us.
yup, this is why i hate the art community now. everyone pulled the same "end of art" attitude when nfts were popular. it's all about weather you can make dough or not, not if the art means anything but clout to anyone. honestly if all of you quit art because of this, the community would be better off without your attitude. good grief
@@42seven not sure what your point is. Are you saying that the best reason to make art is as a hobby?
@@42sevenart is a skill just like anything else. Making art is laborious. If someone wants artwork done by an artist, one should expect to pay a fee. Its not about clout, its about sustainability. This is not artists being upset theyre not popular, this is about artists being upset that a machine very well might be adding their work to a database in order to spit out similar images. Its about making the source material obsolete. Its about ethics. You are ignorant and dismissive about this probably because it doesnt apply to you, but ai is coming for your job next. And when it does, youll be singing a different tune.
You just wondered this 3 days ago and already you're blaming and giving names?
@@42sevenyou can't make art if you can't eat...
People who can make a live through their craft, have more time to pulish their skills, moving culture and creating eras and unique styles.
Hobbyists don't have that time...
AI is killing all creative industries. I was a content writer until May 2023; I had multiple long-term clients. Once everyone got their hands on ChatGPT, my work was gone. Since then, I've been struggling to find regular work or new clients. Everyone says I must switch industries or reskill, but who's going to pay for that change when I can't afford it? And what employer will hire me simply because I have a certificate or a degree when there are already thousands with experience?
The best part is when someone who couldn't put five sentences together suddenly calls themselves a writer because Claude or ChatGPT wrote a book for them. It feels like we're living in a dystopia, and nobody cares.
If your clients prefer ChatGPT, there are 2 possibilities :
* your clients are dumb
* you're very bad because chatGPT is bad
What type of writing genres do you do?
God, finding an actual artist is so hard on Etsy now. I went on there specifically to buy a new mousepad made BY AN ARTIST (as in a real person), and it took me days to find something because people don't even mark their products as "AI". They just toss them up, so you have to do the research yourself if you really wanted to support another artist.
Thank you for trying to support real artists. ❤
I did the same thing wanting to buy a commissioned piece of my DnD character, but it’s ALL AI generated garbage, I literally couldn’t find anything by a real artist
AI Users Don't Care about Artist or whatever they are feeling, all they care about is Money and how its the future, which is sad because they Delusional accept that they're better than people who pour their Art and Souls into these thing's
If I suspected somone was an AI prompter I would DM them and ask and depending on what they said fuckin call them out on it...
it's because you don't know what Art is
The tool does not make the artist, whether it's painting, photography, photoshop or an AI
I don’t understand why people buy AI images when anyone with internet access can generate their own. They’re buying something that’s free.
It's a product of a service culture where everybody wants to be served but nobody wants to actually create or serve. They don't want to learn how to use the software or learn how to write prompts to get exactly what they want for free. They want to feel like mini celebrities/kings/queens/etc and have someone else make it for them so they can show off to people who don't care. It's like this weird "every man a king" sort of perspective towards consumerism.
Some people value convenience over intelligence.
Find me a free AI site capable of generating images for sale. The only free sites can not or are limited by quality and options. AI generation is actually hundreds a month once you pay for the various tools.
@@yackablejohnson1485There are plenty of free ones out there, every image they create, whether free or paid, need to be upscaled, and you can do that for free, too. Obviously, many of these people don’t care what it looks like, so they don’t even worry about correcting their mistakes, so, yes, there are a lot of completely free ones out there.
@@yackablejohnson1485 The OpenAI website has the following models available for extremely low prices:
DALLE-2: $0.02/image (50 images for $1)
DALLE-3: $0.04/image (25 images for $1)
DALLE-3 HD: $0.08/image (12.5 images for $1)
Although it would likely take multiple tries to get the image you want, it’s still insane that people are selling these images for over $1.
As an artist myself, nothing beats the feeling of seeing your dad on Christmas and he's wearing a new shirt with an obvious AI generated Santa Claus on it.
My mom knows I do digital art so I'm always her go to anytime she starts some new idea. And the way my heart broke when she asked me to edit their obvious AI logo for some podcast she's starting
@@eminempreg It's sad that someone else using a tool to experience the joy of making something broke your heart.
Maybe if you want her to cherish your art it should be more than 'some podcast' to you?
An ignorant public and indifferent hustle bros may very well make your source of living obsolete
@@lif6737 "hustle bro" videos on youtube make me die a little inside every time i see them
Its also annoying that if I want to search for anything "ai", it just shows stuff made by ai, and not the actual ai thing I want. For example ai stockphotos, that show ai. But instead it shows me stockphotos MADE by ai.
Try researching before 2020?
You're mad you can't find a photo of a computer running AI code? Lol.
no it was just a single time where this was the case, I was working on a project and I needed some stock photos for reference, and I was searching for stockphotos of just ai, but pinterest banned the entire term so I wasnt able to find any. Also on google it was hard.@@yackablejohnson1485
@@yackablejohnson1485Yeah I’m not even sure what an “AI” stock photo is even supposed to look like lol.
@@-Burb do you not have imagination or? Either an AI machine or a computer running something akin to an "AI" program.
AI made me decide to stop practicing digital art and focus on my handmade sculptures instead. It's just extremely disheartening to know that any art I post online can be thrown into an algorithm to spit out thousands of generic counterfeits.
I guess it could be seen as a silver lining to this. Wanting to work in a physical creative medium rather than the digital. I haven't touched my paints in years since I started digital art properly, but I'm tempted to go back to it now that digital art may as well be dead.
@@HoloFizz Yeah, I'm trying not to be a doomer about it but seeing how people can just take any artist's style, plug it in and make endless customized copies is just... bleak. Of course I still enjoy digital, but I just feel like trying to make it a side hustle is not a good idea anymore. It's such a shame.
Etsy today is flooded with dropshipped chinese shit and ai crap. I don't go there anymore, there's really no point. There's maybe 1% genuine people there. Sad that etsy allowed this to happen.
Where do you go instead?
Etsy knew for years they had this issue (AI just added to the mess), but once again the shareholders are the only people companies care about since apparently this is the money maker for them
This may be true for posters, but Etsy offers lots of really beautiful and high-quality fluffy toys.
@@Yulenka1976all good until the cute fluffy toys are AI too..
@@kingofthejungle2894goimagine is where the real artists are now.
As an artist, this is extremely frustrating to have as a problem, and I will also say-
I am also a gardener so I want to bring up that there’s an absurd amount of people selling ai-generated flowers as seeds. You’ll get people selling “Cat shaped flowers” and stuff like that as seeds, and it’s absurd to me that people are buying these, because they ARE. I’m a big fan of growing messed-up flowers (passionflowers are a favorite of mine, I love when nature decides to go full eldritch horror) and it makes me mad these are being passed over for fake ones. It’s something that doesn’t get touched on a lot, but it’s something that should get touched on, especially because many gardeners are not tech-savvy enough to immediately recognize AI generated plants, and many of them don’t have family members that will tell them how to look out for AI.
Are you serious!? That is so awful, and they're probably sending them invasive weeds too, if they send anything at all 🤦♀️
This actually shocked me, these grifters will try absolutely anything
my sides
How do we compete when their whole strategy is to smother search engine?
Wait for techbros to make a proper ai filters (this WILL happen if enough people express interest, demand creates suppply). Otherwise the solution is to create small closed garden communities where ai work is prohibited. Dark forrest internet go brrr.
Set up your own website that vets sellers before they join and audits them periodically to make sure they're not selling garbage.
@@temtem9255 Or you know like learn it and utilize it lol. If what is currently going on in the courts doesn't put down AI art now, it will never be put down, and in my opinion it's here to stay. Might as well learn how to use it and make what im doing be done faster and better while getting infront of the curve instead of sitting in a youtube comment section crying about it 🤷
How do we compete when their role is also to absorb our own art and likeness to compete against us as doppelganger?
@@Mente_Fugaz with tools to poison data like NightShade and Glaze :3
I’m so sad the cute, small page of lovingly handcrafted products we used to have in Germany (Dawanda) was bought by Etsy a few years ago!! Now there’s only this crap page that has destroyed all of its local competitors. 😢
Ooh I remember Dawanda! I also remember when Etsy was great. It was before typical corpo greed took over and ruined everything.
yeah,I just checked the ai stuff and man is it graphic,not porn but those censor bars are doing alot of work.
If the censor bars are needed, it's probably porn.
Imagery designed to be erotic is porn.
Unfortunately, there's nothing these sellers can do to *not* have the "handmade" tag on their listings. The only products that do not receive this label are vintage items and then of course digital downloads. Try it yourself. Try to make a listing for a physical product that isn't vintage without Etsy labelling it as handmade.
Even if you make your products with outside help, it's labelled as "Handmade with production assistance" on the seller's end inside the listing editor, but the customer only sees the "handmade" tag when viewing your listing. Etsy wants to continue to market itself as the quirky crunchy handmade marketplace when they know that this hasn't been the case for years now.
Was checking out this art doll artist I loved. Only to see all her dolls where suddenly replaced with AI images?? I KNEW her style was not like that and it was clearly AI, so many listings for "one of a kind Pikachu art doll" that looked nothing like the results you get.
Her dolls where great?! They looked amazing idk why she decided to start using faking images for her dolls and not a single real image of the product
Probably because they weren't selling as much as they used to because of all this ai bullshit that took over :(
Maybe her account was hi-jacked.
It happens on Amazon also.
I’ve seen people use AI generated descriptions on eBay. It’s several paragraphs with no detail - just waffle
Every stock image website has been ruined by AI. Even if you filter them out, at least half of the ai images still show up. It makes corporate work in the design world a nightmare
I've seen it too! Can't find legit photos for art references now. Look up ladybugs...I swear half if not the majority of images will all be AI.
Stock image website are vampires.
Just generate yourself your images with some free opensource model
I have always wanted to sell art but I'm so afraid of AI that I don't think I ever will.
I would recommend looking to your local communities. There are often artists groups that do pop-ups or have tiny art shops they sell things in. I think those are going to become more valuable over time
It's true that direct art sales to the public are dying because of AI. But as an art director, I can tell you that professional studios don't like AI and aren't legally allowed to copyright it. If you put up a portfolio website and reach out directly to art directors looking for freelance illustrators, you're still likely to get commissioned if you have some talent.
Have you tried Tumblr? There's a huge market for commissions and pretty much everyone hates ai.
Why? Your comments seems to suggest you already have the skills to make art so why not try to sell it? Worst that can happen because of ai is that it doesn't sell.
@@temtem9255 Actually, the worse that can happen is that they'll scoop up the art by crawling the internet and make cheap versions of it in the artist's style, as well as sell the original image. It's happening everywhere and the artists end up having to defend their work and denounce the AI stuff as not theirs.
There are so many ai tarot and oracle cards now. urg.
and imo that's even worse then posters, since they are WAY more work for a full set and drowning out real artists
It was always one of my goals to make a set someday and now I don’t even think it’s worth trying 😭
@@loverrlee Then your goal wasn't to make it, your goal was to sell it.
@@PlsSubscrib my goal is to do something worth doing, so yeah, spending probably a year of my life actively designing a deck, when I’ve already spent nearly a decade of my life not being paid for my creative labor, kind of means it’s hard to rationalize spending that kind of effort on a project that most likely won’t sell or be worth the effort when other people are using ai to pump it out in a day and flood the market with garbage anyway… this is the reality artists are facing in a world where people would rather have ai generated stuff than stuff that actually took an artist real time to make.
I'm so mad about pinterest becoming useless. It was great for finding character art for pcs and npcs in ttrpgs and now 4 out of 5 pics are AI.
You noticed it too!? It's like any photography you are looking up references for are all AI. I was looking up Kingfishers and found several images that were clearly AI. The birds had wonky feet, incorrect feather spotting pattern, but otherwise it's getting close. Most normies wold barely notice a difference. But coloring books now? So many sellers don't even bother to remove the horse's 5th leg or fix a giraffe with 3 gnobby horns. I've even seen some people coloring the images asking in comments if art was AI because of the "strange parts" they find while coloring. And these people have SATURATED every market and left real artists out in the cold! My income tanked harder than the Titanic in the last year.
@@SledgePainterArt this is what im afraid of and now it’s happening, Ai has rotted google and it will absolutely get WORSE, so much worse.
Yet somehow there is grace in it.. an actual genuine art account will shine brighter than these slops in the near future.
@@SledgePainterArt Ugh yeah it's been driving me up the wall. I even saw something about an art instruction book that was being sold online that was a total scam where all the pictures and even all the instructions were AI generated. Tech people keep going on and on about all the good AI can do in various fields (and like sure, they're not wrong, it could be used that way) but all we've seen it used for is laziness, cost cutting, putting people out of work and scamming people at a rate we've never seen before. AI is a tool just like any other and it's not being used to do good things, it's being used to actively harm everyone.
There will always be scumbags out there trying to get a quick buck or try to fool the system for personal gains such as these AI "Artist" I honestly don't blame them, BUT I do blame the Etsy for allowing this.
AI art is just the new current thing. Eventually the market will become so saturated that the hustle bro's will have to move on to something else. All that will remain will be the best AI products and handmade original work.
This will become the new market, so people will either pay a low price for something AI generated or a premium price for a one-off handmade original. And the original will have to prove it's originality, as in you must be able to see the brush strokes or file marks to prove it was hand made.
Yep. The market will adapt with labelling.
But 95% of the market will be cheap AI art. With a niche for expensive human art.
AI will continuously get better and eventually those brush marks will be there too. What would prove it better is the artist taking photos/video of the art process, but eventually even those could be easily faked as well. I suppose eventually the only way to know for sure is to have the artist create it in front of you. But hey, by then, we might have androids, implants that can influence movement, who knows?
@@amable111 Too true. Once we have a robot that can sit in front of an easel, pick up a brush and paint it'll be impossible to tell the difference from original human work. People will still do art for recreation, but nobody will be able to make a living from it.
Bingo! Just like NFTs, Hustle bros and scammers will move on once they've done the damage and numbers go down to sane levels. I stopped uploading art a while back to wait for the inevitable upward interest on actual human made art (even if digital). Sold my first 3D poster this year for over $150. Just because it was unique and made by me. Wasnt even from a fan.
Only problem is AI is still in its infancy and eventually will become flawless and indistinguishable from hand made art.
If anyone buys me AI art, I'm throwing it away in front of them. I'm not one to do this with anything, normally. But AI art... If anyone gives me AI art, I will feel completely insulted. People have already sent me AI art. I can't help but be vocal about it. It's repulsive. Just take a dump in your hand and put it in my face, you'll get the same reaction. 🤢
Please at least explain to the person who bought it that they were scammed first.
@@SuperSmashDolls hear me out: Yes, I'll explain, and yes, I'll compensate them monetarily for the thing they bought, assuming they're someone I know who is well-intended.
I'm definitely not keeping the thing though, and it really should be normalized for all people to look for signs of lazy generative AI use. I also want to set the precedent that complacency in this is not something I want to see normalized.
@@SuperSmashDolls TH-cam deleted my reply.
I'll summarize.
-Yes, that is absolutely right, and assuming they're well-intended, I'll compensate them for the item.
-This is to set the precedent that complacency is not something we should normalize in the age of generative slop.
@@sunlaFor what it's worth I can see your original reply, I think TH-cam has a caching issue.
@@SuperSmashDolls oh thank goodness, I don't know what happened there. Sometimes stuff gets deleted for what seems like no reason, going beyond normal stuff, like links or indecent behavior. I just figured it scooped up my comment 😂
Thank God I didnt start etsy , fiverr or any of these platforms. I had a bad feeling about them generally too, now they are flooded with ai.
I have been working as a Fiverr writer since 2019 and I can confirm it's been a difficult ride ever since AI was introduced. You can only get your share if the algorithm picks you.
glad I didn’t waste my time on this dead end too
I am wondering who is buying all this garbage?
Do people have no sense of quality?
I have never bought anything on Amazon, Temu, Wish, Alibaba, etc. It is all garbage.
Remember, hustle culture was never about making money by selling low effort crap. It was always about making money by selling get rich quick schemes to greedy idiots. The schemes don't have to be profitable. They just need to appear profitable at first glance.
not under consumerism, no
sadly many don't seem to care, I see comissioned pieces proudly saying they'll make people's work with AI for cheap and it's n 20+ peoples baskets with good reviews
@@itshyperstar Call me soulless, but I don't really mind when people are honest about using AI. Especially when they put a bit of real effort into their work.
What really pisses me off are vast numbers of liars and clout chasers who pass off low effort AI puke as hand made, even if only implicitly.
Situationally I actually like AI, but it's way better for everyone when AI generated stuff is clearly labelled as such, so it can easily be filtered out by those who aren't interested. Without this honestly it just makes everything worse by clogging up every platform with an unending flood of garbage. Though realistically it's the platforms that need to enforce this, as "creators" have little incentive to be honest when low effort AI vomit can be mass produced at negligible cost.
welcome to consumerism
Etsy has been almost only selling dropshipped items for years now, it was already dead, it's just dying harder now.
This is so sad. I love supporting small businesses and artists on Etsy. As a buyer I constantly have to sort through hundreds of cheap Chinese junk and stockphoto/AI art to find a listing that is actually created by a real artist. They have destroyed their search results by allowing these people to sell on their platform. I am an artist so I can tell when something is generic vs made by an artist but the average person cant.
They are not even editing or trying to paint over the painting to at least give it coherence. Of course they wont. Being an artist is not only having the tools and skills but having the sensitivity to see beyond the image and take the right decisions.
Its hustlebros. They dgaf about what they're selling, they care about quick and ez cash.
I feel like now would be a good time for someone to invent a new platform that bans AI work altogether and actually focuses on handmade items and art
Quick money is especially popular among young people. More and more people crave for quick money without lifting a finger. It's problematic for those who are actually trying. It's sad and cheesy at the same time.
the amount of effort put into a product is irrelevant tot he price. hunter biden is selling plastic straw paintings for over $100K each. it's not because of how much effort he put into them, and it's not about how he's a great artist. picaso can doodle on a napkin and it's worth $100K+ other artists can work for decades and all of their works combined do not equal $100K.
effort, trying, time, are all irrelevant. value is in the eye of the beholder. if people like picaso, that's great. some people don't, but they like synth wave art. it's their preference. minimalist, goth, country, art deco... people have their own preferences and where they prefer to spend their money. your problem is not someone else making things that people prefer to buy.
the buyer wants what they want. if you can't or are unwilling to make it for what they're willing to pay, they weren't going to be your customer anyway. they don't owe you their business.
who wants to pay more for something just because it was harder for the seller to make it than another seller?
if person A can make me a sandwich in a minute and will accept $5 for it, should I pay person B, who struggled for 10 minutes to make a similar sandwich 10 times as much? effort has no effect on price.
why don't artists ever take economics courses?
@@CrudelyMadeeven if artist took economic courses, how would it help them with selling their product in this case? They will still always take longer to create something than it took AI to do so.
To compensate they would need to put in a lot more time and effort, sell at a higher rate, but at what point would they just say "why bother" and do as everybody else is doing. You just said yourself, why would anyone buy something that took longer to create and probably costs more? They probably wouldn't.
It's a losing game
To be fair it’s understandable. The economy isn’t particularly kind to people these days. I can understand why people are desperately selling this AI trash to make the money they need to survive. The problem is the economic system that’s kiiiinda failing the working class and the giant companies making the models that generate this AI slop to please their shareholders with no regard for how this will affect the workforce or the art market or, like, society
@@CrudelyMade dis guy eats farts
@@CrudelyMade Strange inverse-boomer take. Ranting about effort's irrelevance when AI takes no effort nor creativity, and is trained on copyrighted/stolen works.. in comments on a video ABOUT AI destroying industry.. Amazing.
In these cases, the person's art could rival AI's prices, while being superior, and ethical. The person making the art could be charging the SAME LOW PRICE and receive benefit for their work, yet they are being drowned out by faulty copies engineered by grifters and perpetuated by greedy platforms. People searching for art-by-humans will have searches drowned by lifetimes worth of nonsense generated in the blink of an eye.
A cursory fact check reveals that the $100k+ price for Hunter Biden's art pieces is inaccurate, with many individual sales being 50-80k. Additionally, tethering proper value to that is disingenuous when it is exclusively wealthy folk buying, where that amount to them is nothing - not to mention this scale is where people launder $25m on a Banksy; Hunter ain't shit.
To sum up: The sandwich metaphor is nonsense - nobody was pleading for ppl to buy their shit for 10x more because 'effort'. Bringing up Hunter Biden unprovoked is sussy, and you seem disinterested in the economics of art at a practical scale. You're weirdly trying to discredit effort, while (accidentally?) suggesting one can gain notoriety effortlessly if people simply like what they do - unless AI steals it first I spose lol
There are so many scattered and yet densely packed points it's actually kind of fascinating. Could be a Crudely Made AI generated comment.. Ack! I've been had!
I can attest to the flood of "get rich quick with AI" videos that have infested TH-cam; after seeing the thumbnail for this video earlier today (and stupidly not clicking it then), I had the scroll past dozens of those thumbnails to finally get to this one. Also, my sales on Etsy have slowed lately (likely due to all the AI slop that's buried my work in search results), so I'm seriously considering moving my shop elsewhere.
Can you imagine all the digital artists who made bank in the last two decades where the internet was a utopia for creatives, and the sigh of relief they must be breathing to have secured the bag JUST before it all inevitably went to shit again?
"Bank"? At best they made a living. There are some high profile artists, but if being digital helped them, it was mostly in exposure. Of course, with AI drowning out new creators, it's going to be difficult for newcomers on that front as well.
Well, I'm not one of them and now I will never (?) Make any money bc the consumer prefers posters for 50 cent of low quality.
Artists have never made “bank.” Each art piece was a labor of love and very few artists make a real “return on investment” for their hours of work. This is where the “starving artist” trope comes from. The only people who claim to make “bank” from art are the soulless ai bros who shovel this shit
@@loverrleeyour comment is just emotional manipulation
@@KongongonggNo it's not, every professional artist has been there. Artists are paid the same salary as a macdonalds manager or less
"AI art should only be used to quickly generate ideas" we already have that they're called concept artists and thumbnail sketches.
i literally dont even search anymore, i ONLY visit stores from artists I know or am recommended to by people I trust
I was a fine artist, I gave up, removed all my art off Etsy and Ebay, once AI "art" came on the scene my sales came to a grinding halt. Previously sold at least a couple original sketches or paintings/month, then became a couple sales/year. Just not worth it anymore.
I'm in the same boat...shocking how my already low income tanked into the ground.
I’m lucky enough to live in a big city where there’s chances to sell art the good old fashioned way but a lot of my friends who live in small towns or rural areas have been screwed out of a source of income.
I remember putting up commissions on Etsy months ago. When I searched up examples of the layouts people used for art commissions, I saw a TON of AI art that were on the TOP RESULTS! I was even surprised that people would ever want to support AI art let alone buy something that is pretty much effortlessly put together. AI art doesn’t even deserve to be called art since art is from the heart, and human made art contains a lot more life in terms of emotion and even sometimes accuracy (and many more things).
Honestly, AI scared me. I legitimately do not want AI to take away a money making and enjoyable hobby or maybe even possibly a job of mine just because of human greed.
"AI is the future"
What a beautiful, messed up future.
I genuinely don’t want that future, it’s not about the horse vs car argument, it’s really scary for consumer as well.. not just for the suffering artists…
And artists are just the first to go, surprisingly. It will eventually replace so many jobs that the economy will likely collapse, because no one is stopping the race for the best Ai, and no company is going to be moral enough to forgo leveraging it as a profit driver either. Eventually all the corporations will have no consumers, because we’ll all have no income. Unless something is done to fix this, we’re seeing a preview of what’s coming for everyone soon.
@@riardomilos8014
Every technology makes disappeared old jobs and creates new ones.
And artists won't suffer from AI because the tool does not make the artist
@@makeyourlifeaworkofart> "And artists are just the first to go, surprisingly"
It's not surprising at all. Artists have always experimented new TOOLS : photography, video, photoshop, 3D and now AI.
It's just you know nothing about Art. You're confusing true artist and random illustrator
As an artist I am just looking for a side job as a cleaner now because its gonna take decades to get anywhere as a no name creator because of the market getting so saturated now. If you're a new artist never draw for money, draw because you want to draw and create. Money is just a nice bonus. Were moving to an independence age where if you want to make art for a living you will have to go independent and have a side job to keep yourself afloat, these companies don't care about creativity or authenticity or art at all. They want it cheap, fast and most importantly profitable.
It just hurts how much they ruined the art internet after 2020. I want to go back to 2019 and earlier when you could still find legit photos and legit art without having to go through ten different loopholes and scrutiny before you could say something wasnt Ai.
My own mother almost attempted to sell AI art on etsy after watching TH-camrs saying how easy it is to make money from them.
The only reason she did not try is because i threw a fit about it. I tried telling her why AI is bad and she did not seem to understand any of my explanations.
She is literally a baker. She makes fun cakes/cookies and has made soome money doing that, so it was just so baffling she was not getting why ai is bad.
I think, unfortunately, a lot of moms, dads, and even grandmas are pumping Etsy with AI generated art. People who are creatives themselves are doing it.
No one is telling these people why AI generators are wrong or bad and half of them would not understand if you tried telling them.
Its pointless at this point to get mad at the individuals flooding sites with AI. There are too many people doing it. Its the websites themselves that need to be held accountable.
That's literally the case with my dad to for him he just sees it as something New and wonderful, and says he wants to Learn it, he doesn't see the Effects it has on people like us because they are not in the Same department as us or have even Remotely done anything like us, he also said that if this does take over, i should become a AI Engineer Which is just sad to say to your Son who spent years to learn a Modeling Software or a 2D Software to make fun Videos made from Love and Passion, the only see the money and how its "Beneficial" to them, and not how it will affect the Lively hoods of those who are in those industries who worked hard to get where they are
@@primus0348 typical boomer mentality they had everything and they dare gave us lesson.
The generator problem is basically online's version of climate crisis- and normies will "wake up" to it once it finally fuckes them up enough, when the seasons and weather gets unbearable and fucked that they will feel it (metaphorical seasons if you catch the drift)
It'll swing back one day soon. AI will be seen as the ultimate cringe to basically everyone, and hand-made stuff will become way more valuable again.
You made such a good analogy that is so scary at the same time.
Except that there is NO "climate crisis".
The only thing that has the power to affect the climate, is the sun.
But sadly, the woke education does not teach reality and actual science anymore.
Damn it really is. So far it seems semi-experience people in art can quickly identify AI art and choose to not support it, the final boss at this point are whatever the fk is going on Facebook with the AI art vicious cycles of idk if its real people doing that stuff.
It should be as simple as every site imposing strict rules to tag A.I. art or else risk insta-ban so anyone can easily toggle a no A.I. art filter. And of course anything do with earning money with AI art is very up to debate but for the most part given how much most people utilize it for 0 effort slop its the latter.
@@acoolrocketWhat should be pressed is ability to detect and scrutonize generated content should be a norm, apathy leads into more shit
I don't believe anything will ever truly kill art commissions, but it is going to make it fucking hard to get actual commissions now. People will need to go completely based on reputation.
Or word of mouth.
It seems like quality doesn't matter anymore to most people since they're buying this trash.
Haven't they always bought trash ?
Just look at music charts and why it's not JS Bach or Coltrane at the top sells ?
@@nicejungle I hate to burst your bubble but Bach and Coltrane, uh, they stopped making music a while ago
@@eileen7072 so ?
@@nicejungle I mean aren't music charts based on like recent music? I dunno it's an odd example to use here
I mean Etsy was already pretty dead with all of the "handmade" items that definitely were not.
I made a sticker back in 2020 that had boobs in a bra, with the words epstein didnt kill himself in small letters in the cleavage. etsy took it down thinking it was pornographic, even if it was tits in a bra. Now theres full on ai nudity and thats aight
Thanks for making this video. As an actual artist I have been so sad to see this on Etsy. I am disabled and was able to support myself via my art and Etsy but since AI being flooded on Etsy my sales have gone way down and I will be forced to find something else.
Sounds like your art isn't very good then.
Don't let yourself be discouraged! I hope your sales will go up again or maybe you will find another outlet. Greetings from Germany
@@yackablejohnson1485 says you
Same 😔 (and, oh look 👆 found the ai art bro 🙄)
Imagine a selling platform that strictly enforced a prohibition on dropshippers, professional sellers and AI prompt grifters. While letting customers see the proof sellers have to provide showing they are a casual seller or passionate artist.
i did like ai, until everyone started posting their garbage online and everything is flooded now :/
ai is forgery fueled by theft. Nothing to like - at all. Unethical to the core.
Dropshipping ruined Etsy years ago.
I have no issues with AI, i think the fad will eventually pass however if i were to buy anything i would rather buy a real piece of art from a person, how i feel about it.
I don't think its going to be a Fad like NFT's, i would rest Easy if that was the case, but this feel different, like it will Just Evolve until Money Hungry Jerks like the so called AI "Artists" come out on Top Shitting on the people who made art from scratch and worked hard to make these things
I work at a gallery.. a very prestigious gallery. We are actually starting to see people submit AI as pieces.
Jokes on them.. in the art contract we will not hang anything ai, and they get blackballed within our art community immediately. And we will feed it into a is this ai engine to make sure.
Artists..please dont give up !
Man it’s over I won’t quit art but making a carrier of it is suicidal.
Dont forget the datacenters that are needed to support all this crap. The internet is getting hevier and hevier. So this is just pure pollution.
Not just on-line in events now too. I visited a stall at Christmas with the typical low quality AI generated images. I asked if the guy was an artists (You never know) of course not. He had discovered Midjourney and was attempting to flog the images with absolutely zero interest or satisfaction. He might as well have been selling old socks.
In the past this kind of explosion of poor content brought about by some new technical innovation has died down as people gravitate back to quality. My genuine concern is that AI is only at the start of it's capabilities. The images will get better and more indistinguishable from human work. As artist I think we will have to make even more effort in demonstrating that the work is handmade with start to finish video's etc.
As to Etsy they have really lost their way. It is now entirely without soul and is a simple money making factory.
The AI crap cannot seem to distinguish between how many limbs, hands or feet, etc., that people and animals have, or what an artist's signature is when it scrapes the artwork to steal from the original artist.
That is why the collage-looking faux artworks usually have the subject matter screwed-up somehow with odd looking parts sticking out because the software cannot distinguish that there even ARE parts to distinguish in the first place!
Also, as more and more artists stop posting the NEW artwork directly online (as in posting the artwork only on their site or group sites, such as Art Station and Deviant Art, etc.), or stop doing artwork altogether, then the pool of images to scrape dramatically shrinks.
And just as predicted by many, the internet search engines and other places art appears that can be scraped, will just be full of the same old scraped and regurgitated AI images.
Which is great! 😂
So many faux original images from scraped art are flooding the marketplace, and those images are being re-scraped into the necessary continued "training"of the AI software, that along with much less fresh, NEW art being posted (well, of new art of the quality and caliber that anyone would want to bother stealing), that we will start to see the AI results becoming more and more the same-looking as what is left is being homogenized.
Hi pat, @@pat4005 wishful thinking I guess. AI is getting to be extremely clever at knowing what people want to see, (Hear, experience) the current algorythms are nothing compared to what is coming.
Most artist now depend on posting their work on-line and that will expose them to the scraping engines whether it is legal or not. (Still to be determind in many countries.) Lets not forget AI is a product of other humans. It is the humans behind AI that need to be addressed before full autonomy is in place. When that happens we simply won't be able to compete, apart from moving back to demonstratable traditional art.
I used to make $10,000 a year selling original poster art. Now I make around $500 a year. I've given up.
I used to love shopping for original hand made gifts on Etsy. Now it's just sad, nearly impossible to find any cool original stuff anymore, just endless listings of cheap Chinese crap. I don't enjoy shopping there anymore. The site should have done better with vetting their sellers
it's not just art. There are several sewing patterns found on Etsy that use AI art as a preview. it's more cheaper than using models, apparently...
God that sounds horrible
@@erikblue7842 hopefully the patterns themselves arn't made by AI, or there would be trouble!
@@munjister177 really hope so! Patterns can be incredibly complex in creating
Web novels are getting scrapped and then AI is used to change character and location names. Plus some rewritting. Then it's sold as novels on Amazon.
No. That's now AI works. It can't spit back more than 1-2 pages at a time. Stop spreading false info.
@@yackablejohnson1485 You know, there are APIs and open source LLMs ... You can write scripts to process hundreds of pages one by one. Same prompt context with things to replace.
@@yackablejohnson1485 No, people are already making AI-generated books on Amazon. Without rewriting.
One of my family members got a blanket it had a purple owl stareing at you i thought it was cool until I got close up of the eyes and feathers it was made by Ai I am so disappointed
the moral of the story for me is that I've clearly been trying far too hard thus far and the average consumer would gladly accept whatever halfassed garbage an artist could spit out. Better yet, make a really sloppy piece and then get an ai to render it so it _looks_ polished at a glance
ugh I'm mad
My friend bought one of those travel posters and legit don't care at all that it makes no sense. AI really taught me people don't care if the overall is pretty enough. As an artist guess I don't have to care so much either
At this point, it's just about consumption, isn't it
*easy* consumption and the continued commodification of art and hobbies because if you can't make money off of it, why bother according to the tech bros.
@@asimhussain8716 you are not adding anything to the conversation other than stating that AI art as an object is close enough to human created art, that there is no discernible difference for most people.
@@asimhussain8716 I think a lot of the issues people have seem to stem from not being able to generate a liveable income from independent commission work because their customer base has decreased with the introduction of AI into their marketplace. I personally think that's a good thing and that independent commission work has been eating up a huge portion of artists who in prior decades formed the small teams that made eventually very influential artistic works (DOOM). I hope that these same artists will be forced to return to forming small teams in an effort to make more substantial works of art in an effort to compete. This is what our industry is really starving for at a time when small teams have huge opportunities for success (Palworld).
On a second note I find it genuinely quite funny that people who sign up to sell art using third party websites that farm passive income from them are suddenly concerned with ethicality in art. These people never cared when money was being taken from them before but now they won't get any recognition either it's suddenly become an issue of 'ethicality'.
@@asimhussain8716 What conversation is there to be had, if the venture of making art itself is no longer viable? You're arguing with beggars and mad they aren't being polite, even as you stand across from the Dollar General that displaced their small business.
@@asimhussain8716"There will always be" is weasel words, and you damn well know it. How much demand will there be? What will that demand look like? How much soul will there be if, say, the artist's job is to finalize what a machine spits out, and that is a majority of work available for those who wish to have viable success as an artist? Using the current trends as data, not only is there less material benefit to doing art (a benefit which allows people the time, resources, and abilty to connect their art to the larger world,) but there's really no soul and no community.
Maybe the rich get to do art as a hobby, and not only prosper off of it but have their own little communities. But it's becoming harder and harder for a regular, stable art economy which the greater soul and community require to even function.
There really is no moving forward in this case. It's colonization, and a step backwards
As an artist, Etsy change my live (for better) a few years ago. It's sad to see what it has become now :(
It's only a matter of time, near future, where you won't be able to tell it's Ai
Its already the case since you can spit thousands of image a day there’s obviously gonna be some that look good enough it’s just statistics.
have a look at the movie poster category, it's full of print shops just stealing movie posters and quite a few from the AMP scene. And quite a few of them are making a lot of money.
they have a huge risk of ip infrigement . etsy doesnt joke with that. not worth it
They should create a law that forces you to disclose when a picture is made by AI. I can't tell you how long it takes me to find a good reference picture because every site on the internet as well as google img is %50 fake ugly AI trash art with wrong lighting. I can't even use the AI art as reference because its to trash and has all kinds of important things wrong, it would be like anti learning.
i actually love the fact that its killing off actual human art. its a brutal way of rising the price and exclusivity of human art while also separating the market made work.
It's even confusing standard internet searches now, recently when I have searched for a known artist to refer to, I often get fake ai results that claim to be original works and it requires a double take to discover that this is something that has been generated in the "style of" a specific artist using some kind of ai.
The internet can't easily tell, unless it's correctly labelled and I'm guessing that it's not so easy for some people to work out if you aren't familiar with the works already? Worrying... We'll soon just be awash with tat.
I was on Etsy and made my own graphics, I was active on the profile and I uploaded one thing a week to keep something going in the store. I read about how to run a store, what hashtags to choose, etc.
Unfortunately, I had to close the shop because no one was buying my illustrations, icons and graphics. Etsy promotes AI...
holy crap, not to """defend""" ai, but if no one bought, you're product's probably sucked 😂
@@42seven I now work for a publishing house and I have orders for illustrations, I put my heart into my work, first I make a sketch in pencil and then I color it in a graphic program, so the fact that my Etsy account was invisible is probably not the fault of my work. I only sold a few prints there.
@@42seven honestly looking at ur other comments it sounds like ur defending ai, skill is not the only reason people dont get sales its also about how well known u are
Maybe because your art sucks?
You need to pay etsy money to advertize your product, otherwise it's invisible😢
I'm no longer going to be shopping on Etsy.
I stumbled upon these generated and wrong „vintage travel poster“ when I was looking for wall art. It was clear to me that these posters can‘t be made by a human, but I relised that a lot of people obviously can‘t connect the dots and buy this shit.
This is why I decided to make my own pictures and only buy art prints from artists I follow since years.
I even see AI art ads on TH-cam these days. It's insane.