Another interesting and enlightening video, I learn something new with each one you produce. I'm really looking forward to the next one, especially as it covers brazing, something I want to get into. 👍
I'm sure that you know this by now, but there may be some that don't, so I'm sharing it here. If you buy a C2X now, the front axle comes upgraded with their aluminum truss/upper link mount/ panhard mount, all one piece. It's part number is Z-S2018. It strengthens the axle body, as well as all of the pieces that tie into it. Solid upgrade for the money.
I did some cross referencing of part compatibility awhile back and found that this c2x axle is the same innards as the stock scx10 axle, as well as any parts by SSD will fit this axle since they're virtually the same axle but rebranded. helps save cost on certain parts since RC4WD loves to charge premium for everything
i would totally like to see a side by side video of standard gearing vs overdrive. i havent gone overdrive front in my scx10.2, so getting an actual visual of the difference might help persuade me to do it sooner than later.
Throttle, whether 'feathered or pounded', eihter way, throttle is good, like that, a nice bit of throttle on the old crawler, so thanks for reminding - furthermore: nice update, C2X = cool rig, and how about a paint job upgrade 💪 piano black and shimmering gold JPS style, with driver and navigator figures, Burt Reynolds look, any input from fellow subscribers, yes please: thanks for filming!
I didn’t like the straight cut gears from RC4WD so I went with axial HD bevel cut over drive gears in the front of my C2x and the 43t underdrive gears in the rear axle drives much better
Thank you so much for this series, Im following along the best my budget can allow. So it looks like you don't need the aluminum c-hubs to mount the new knuckles, thats really good info, I can't wait to see whats next!
Happy.....what? Won't be no "bashing" with this trail truck son. At least I wouldn't with mine. Some tastfull detail work inside and some better wheels and tires. Just my opinion and thoughts my own C2X...
I would seriously look at building a truss that intergrades the pan hard mount. That plastic tab on top of the axle is very prone to breakage, and will end the day in a hurry.
I really like this truck, I have added this to a long list of trucks i want to get hehe. Looking forward to seeing the running video with the upgrades!!
You should try some Snowballs. They are poly style pivot balls(similar to 1:1) that keep the suspension snug, more predicatable, and more planted. They also dont wear on the rod ends like plastic and metal pivot balls, as well as allow a smidge of dampening on impacts and rough driving. I havent rebuilt my suspension in over 2 years.
Always entertaining. Thank you. Really coming along nicely. Just curious why you'd overdrive the front(2.70)over underdriving the rear(3.30)? The stock 3.0 gearing , right? Adding 2.70s to the front could cause torque-twist. Your other mods are spot-on.
I’m not so worried about torque twist. Out curiosity, if you’re running the rear axle at a lower than stock underdrive, how would that not create exactly the same problem? I’m not an engineer, so really asking!
@@scalebuildersguild I'm not an engineer either. Just a long time hobbiest...but I know alot engineers. Hahaha Just my understanding is you'd want the torque going to the ground multiplied closest to the ground and not from the beginning which would be at transmission. This is why one sees a geared-down portals having little to no torque-twist(TRX4 and VP Portals as an example) where-as steep gearing at the transmission and freeway gears at the axle like an Ascender(2.70s I believe) has really bad torque-twist. We both know some of this can be somewhat dialed out through suspension tuning....but i'm talking everything being equal. Seen these things on the trail too. Just another thought...the rear is easier to disassemble and reassemble. That's a win-win. Hahaha
I was on the fence with this truck. However the more I watch what you are doing with it. the more I kinda want it! Awesome upgrade videos. Are you taking it to scale nationals?
I’d say changing out the diff covers I always found the stocks want to get hung up ..... Other than that think this is gonna be a good comp rig excited to see a test run
Love the channel! Can you or have you done any Vaterra ascender upgrades/build? I have one of the first kits and it’s still stock!🤦♂️🤷🏻♂️☺️🤣🤣🤣👍🏻 Keep it up!!🤘🏻
Hi, I bought the C2X too, it's my first crawler. What did you use to quickly remove the bodywork? I hate having to unscrew the 4 screws every time .. Thanks
Anybody know which beef patties those are? Just ordered my c2x and I'm trying to get all my parts together. Dont have the truck in front of me to check it.
As front bumper on the C2X I did the "DUTCHY" mod... its a stock tf2 rear bumper mounted on the front of the c2x. Headlights are almost clear and an awesome approach angle and even functional!! Just cut the mount stands a little shorter and the sides in a the angle of the wheel wells facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2753756801383396&set=p.2753756801383396&type=3&theater
yes, run it as a comparison in the spring. It would be good to see how the changes improved it. Is there a aftermarket metal axle housing available? Is swaping to a gcm LRT2 with the 11% overdrive too much overdrive for this rig with the overdrive gears? Or is it about CG since you lowered the motor height when you clocked it?
RC4WD makes a metal axle housing, but I don't have any interest in swapping the axle at this point. It's about CG, and OD now. Getting roughly the same OD.
Hello, I bought this truck about 3 weeks ago and bought the overdrive and metal knuckles, thank you for this video that showed me how to do it. how can I add weight in the front? I bought wheels that weight about 108 g each, but can we add other kind of weight ?
@@scalebuildersguild Thanks, by the way, the metal pan hard that I ordered at the same time I bought this truck and following your recommendations, is back ordered and has just broken after about three weeks, for now I will try to glue the two pieces until the B/O is lifted.
Love the videos. I have a question. I am getting into the hobby again and it is a crawler for me. I want to build a scale crawler with a forward mount motor. I am needing advice on as to which frame rails to go with. I did see that you recommended a scale transmission in a different video, I can not remember the brand, and I will be going with that. I also would like 20% overdrive. Do you personally have an online store I can buy from?
Hey man. Im thinking about getting this rig. Im not new to the crawler scene but i am new to comps. I found a close ish hobby shop that does comps and im getting into it. I have 9 rigs, mostly enduro and scx10ii lol. But i dont have anything really comp like. They are all upgraded with great parts but not really comp style. My question is, could i just put ar44s on this? A lot more options for the axles plus i have two new kits laying around at home.
You could, for sure, but I wouldn't recommend this platform for a true comp. I had to modify it substantially to get it even close to competitive. I did a few more videos on it. Watch those, then decide.
@@scalebuildersguild I watched the whole series. I'm really just trying to talk myself into buying an rc4wd but I just don't see a performance aspect from any of their vehicles to be honest lol. Now, I've never owned one so I may be way wrong about that. I've built 7 enduro kits and 3 scx10ii kits. I know most people go to a gspeed or something like that for comps but I don't know if I'd be able to pull something like that off. Lol. Without instructions just trying to throw it together myself. So I'm trying to find a comp rig I could modify or possibly build from a set list or something. Appreciate the reply, I know you're a busy man!
That's not scale at all to a toyota body. Looks nothing like a toyota axle or popular axle mods to Toyotas. People seem to forget what scale actually means and try and use it like a quality meter.
@@scalebuildersguild I emailed rc4wd and their response was "This would work, you may have to use some different length links in some areas." Upon checking they are the same width, with the panhard and rear bracket I think it will work. But I'm still hesitant to buy as I am not yet 100% sure what other items to purchases or what modifications to do. I'm a little tight on budget and this is too risky for me at this point.
VS4-10 Pro all day, everyday. Yes, it's substantially more expensive and doesn't come RTR, but it's worth every penny. It's what I'll be using for C2 this year.
C2X uses a flat rail chassis, so other bumpers will not necessarily mount right up. You can always mount different axles, but again, geometry and mounting locations vary.
@@scalebuildersguild thank you for replying. I've been told by others that the low hanging pumpkins are an issue getting hung up on stuff, thats why I asked about axle swaps. As far as bumpers I could always design and print a mount. I was thinking of a scx10.3 but the c2x looks like it'd be better for me and to showcase my scale work I 3d print for my etsy shop. C2X is too beautiful to pass up.
I wish I could help you... I've never done a Comp. 😳 I really like the Platform. Starting to totally like the C2X!! Just added that to my Dream List!! Main reason - SCX10 ONE style Axles, improved! 👍👍 SURE, the tiny Pumpkin, Hypoid Gear SCX10 II Axles are cool and all.... They've just been a little too finicky for a casual Trail/Crawler with no friends. My "old fashioned" SCX10 One Axles have been bulletproof for years! (With the SSD Axle Housings)!! 😁 Best of Luck Matt!! Carmine ✈🚂🚙
I see weights attached to the rear axle. That's not comp legal. I also noticed your knuckles had holes to mount illegal weights as well. I'm pretty sick of all these comps with lazy rule following. You are not good when you win a comp that allows illegal mods. You are not promoting sport wellness by allowing illegal mods.
John, I’ve got bad news for you. Wheel weights are definitely allowed. And there’s no knuckle weight add-on that I’ve seen for this knuckle, so you’re wrong there. I would never promote cheating.
Another interesting and enlightening video, I learn something new with each one you produce. I'm really looking forward to the next one, especially as it covers brazing, something I want to get into. 👍
I'm sure that you know this by now, but there may be some that don't, so I'm sharing it here. If you buy a C2X now, the front axle comes upgraded with their aluminum truss/upper link mount/ panhard mount, all one piece. It's part number is Z-S2018. It strengthens the axle body, as well as all of the pieces that tie into it. Solid upgrade for the money.
You have this look as if your just ready to make a smart ass remark at any moment. Its great
Oh yeah! Would like to see it in the same place!
Yeah I like to see the testing video, then new steering knuckles look awesome. Can't wait for compcomp day , i'll be watching. Appreciate you sharing
Yeah I would love to see you try to recreate the lines with the upgrades
Would love to see the comparison video
I did some cross referencing of part compatibility awhile back and found that this c2x axle is the same innards as the stock scx10 axle, as well as any parts by SSD will fit this axle since they're virtually the same axle but rebranded. helps save cost on certain parts since RC4WD loves to charge premium for everything
So happy ty I wasn’t sure if the hubs would fit!!!
i would totally like to see a side by side video of standard gearing vs overdrive. i havent gone overdrive front in my scx10.2, so getting an actual visual of the difference might help persuade me to do it sooner than later.
Great update video. Looking forward to the new video with the new upgrades 👍🏼🤙🏼
A comparison would be pretty sweet!
Throttle, whether 'feathered or pounded', eihter way, throttle is good, like that, a nice bit of throttle on the old crawler, so thanks for reminding - furthermore: nice update, C2X = cool rig, and how about a paint job upgrade 💪 piano black and shimmering gold JPS style, with driver and navigator figures, Burt Reynolds look, any input from fellow subscribers, yes please: thanks for filming!
This build is so badass. I want that truck
I didn’t like the straight cut gears from RC4WD so I went with axial HD bevel cut over drive gears in the front of my C2x and the 43t underdrive gears in the rear axle drives much better
I really can't wait for mine to arrive
Hey,you finally get one and how you like it?
Really enjoy your videos, your humor makes them entertaining as well as educational......😁
Thank you so much for this series, Im following along the best my budget can allow. So it looks like you don't need the aluminum c-hubs to mount the new knuckles, thats really good info, I can't wait to see whats next!
Good day to be off getting to watch your videos as well as josh’s new video. Thanks for all the awesome content !
Seeing a driving video would be great! Really enjoying the series, reminds me of budget build but there’s a better budget!
Awesome video man some very nice upgrades
definitely looking to get this rig happy bashing bud.
Happy.....what? Won't be no "bashing" with this trail truck son.
At least I wouldn't with mine. Some tastfull detail work inside and some better wheels and tires. Just my opinion and thoughts my own C2X...
I would seriously look at building a truss that intergrades the pan hard mount. That plastic tab on top of the axle is very prone to breakage, and will end the day in a hurry.
Sweet progress! Would love to see a side by side of the before and after at the original location.
Awesome video , I’m coming here two days late ahhh $$$hhhiiitttt 🙃 That C2X is going to be awesome, already is !
Great video! I’d love to see the comparison video!
It lookin' good. Can't wait to see a test run. -"Angry" Dave
Can’t wait to see these rigs at Nationals and on the courses! Nice job Matt! 👍🏼👍🏼
I won't be using this at Nationals. I've got a custom build for that.
Scale Builder's Guild gotcha! Still can’t wait!
I think the weather is keeping a lot of us inside. Interesting upgrades, think I run on pavement too much to mess with overdrive in the front end.
I really like this truck, I have added this to a long list of trucks i want to get hehe. Looking forward to seeing the running video with the upgrades!!
I agree the panhard mount could be improved if it were to bolt into the axle housing instead of a tab.
You should try some Snowballs. They are poly style pivot balls(similar to 1:1) that keep the suspension snug, more predicatable, and more planted. They also dont wear on the rod ends like plastic and metal pivot balls, as well as allow a smidge of dampening on impacts and rough driving. I havent rebuilt my suspension in over 2 years.
Sounds intriguing!
You need an orange truck just to mess with you know who's head.
That is gonna be an awesome rig! 🔥🔥💥😸😸
Nice. A comparison would be cool. Side by side video running the same line.
Head out and get the shots for the comparison I think that would be awesome to see side by side video
Always entertaining. Thank you.
Really coming along nicely.
Just curious why you'd overdrive the front(2.70)over underdriving the rear(3.30)?
The stock 3.0 gearing , right? Adding 2.70s to the front could cause torque-twist.
Your other mods are spot-on.
I’m not so worried about torque twist. Out curiosity, if you’re running the rear axle at a lower than stock underdrive, how would that not create exactly the same problem? I’m not an engineer, so really asking!
@@scalebuildersguild I'm not an engineer either. Just a long time hobbiest...but I know alot engineers. Hahaha
Just my understanding is you'd want the torque going to the ground multiplied closest to the ground and not from the beginning which would be at transmission. This is why one sees a geared-down portals having little to no torque-twist(TRX4 and VP Portals as an example) where-as steep gearing at the transmission and freeway gears at the axle like an Ascender(2.70s I believe) has really bad torque-twist. We both know some of this can be somewhat dialed out through suspension tuning....but i'm talking everything being equal.
Seen these things on the trail too.
Just another thought...the rear is easier to disassemble and reassemble. That's a win-win. Hahaha
Yes to more videos!
IE_RC shock towers!!!
he's that guy
I was on the fence with this truck. However the more I watch what you are doing with it. the more I kinda want it! Awesome upgrade videos. Are you taking it to scale nationals?
No, this probably wouldn’t compete at that level.
Any running vid you produce is worth watching.. so yes plz
10.2 axles swap. Would give you more steering ,more weight down low ,and more possible front weight. I put rockjock on one for a guy at work.
I’d say changing out the diff covers I always found the stocks want to get hung up ..... Other than that think this is gonna be a good comp rig excited to see a test run
Keep them coming dude:-)
Can’t wait for the brazing
Aluminum axle housing
Love the channel! Can you or have you done any Vaterra ascender upgrades/build? I have one of the first kits and it’s still stock!🤦♂️🤷🏻♂️☺️🤣🤣🤣👍🏻 Keep it up!!🤘🏻
Lookin good!
Looks good man, maybe pinch the front?
Looking for the list of upgrades and part numbers.
It’s in the description.
You need a road Runner winch Buddy:)
Hi, I bought the C2X too, it's my first crawler. What did you use to quickly remove the bodywork? I hate having to unscrew the 4 screws every time .. Thanks
Thank you for the video. But when will we see those mod in action??
Soon I hope.
Yep
Anybody know which beef patties those are? Just ordered my c2x and I'm trying to get all my parts together. Dont have the truck in front of me to check it.
what size slw hubs are those?
I know ad medal steering arms or steel
Hi, what weights did you use for the rims?
As front bumper on the C2X I did the "DUTCHY" mod... its a stock tf2 rear bumper mounted on the front of the c2x. Headlights are almost clear and an awesome approach angle and even functional!! Just cut the mount stands a little shorter and the sides in a the angle of the wheel wells facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2753756801383396&set=p.2753756801383396&type=3&theater
yes, run it as a comparison in the spring. It would be good to see how the changes improved it. Is there a aftermarket metal axle housing available? Is swaping to a gcm LRT2 with the 11% overdrive too much overdrive for this rig with the overdrive gears? Or is it about CG since you lowered the motor height when you clocked it?
RC4WD makes a metal axle housing, but I don't have any interest in swapping the axle at this point. It's about CG, and OD now. Getting roughly the same OD.
What part number are the brass?
Hello, I bought this truck about 3 weeks ago and bought the overdrive and metal knuckles, thank you for this video that showed me how to do it. how can I add weight in the front? I bought wheels that weight about 108 g each, but can we add other kind of weight ?
You could, but that sounds like it's going to be way too heavy. Vanquish offers brass wheel clamp rings for their wheels.
@@scalebuildersguild Thanks, by the way, the metal pan hard that I ordered at the same time I bought this truck and following your recommendations, is back ordered and has just broken after about three weeks, for now I will try to glue the two pieces until the B/O is lifted.
I would like to see that
Bobbed and pinched bed......
Love the videos. I have a question. I am getting into the hobby again and it is a crawler for me. I want to build a scale crawler with a forward mount motor. I am needing advice on as to which frame rails to go with. I did see that you recommended a scale transmission in a different video, I can not remember the brand, and I will be going with that. I also would like 20% overdrive. Do you personally have an online store I can buy from?
Why not get all aluminum portal axles?
Because you don't need portal axles.
Was it me or were you using a nimh battery in the overdrive test?
I was, stock electronics work fine with NIMH.
What is the grease your using to lube the gears ?
Thanks
Lithium grease. Can purchase just about anywhere.
Hey man. Im thinking about getting this rig. Im not new to the crawler scene but i am new to comps. I found a close ish hobby shop that does comps and im getting into it. I have 9 rigs, mostly enduro and scx10ii lol. But i dont have anything really comp like. They are all upgraded with great parts but not really comp style. My question is, could i just put ar44s on this? A lot more options for the axles plus i have two new kits laying around at home.
You could, for sure, but I wouldn't recommend this platform for a true comp. I had to modify it substantially to get it even close to competitive. I did a few more videos on it. Watch those, then decide.
@@scalebuildersguild I watched the whole series. I'm really just trying to talk myself into buying an rc4wd but I just don't see a performance aspect from any of their vehicles to be honest lol. Now, I've never owned one so I may be way wrong about that. I've built 7 enduro kits and 3 scx10ii kits. I know most people go to a gspeed or something like that for comps but I don't know if I'd be able to pull something like that off. Lol. Without instructions just trying to throw it together myself. So I'm trying to find a comp rig I could modify or possibly build from a set list or something. Appreciate the reply, I know you're a busy man!
Another great video, hope you reenact the video
We will!
I’d go with more of a scale axle like Vanquish Vs4-10 pro
That's not scale at all to a toyota body. Looks nothing like a toyota axle or popular axle mods to Toyotas. People seem to forget what scale actually means and try and use it like a quality meter.
Thinking of just replacing the front and rear axle with K44 axle kits from rc4wd which are cast metal would that work?
I think so? Check with RC4WD to confirm fitment.
@@scalebuildersguild I emailed rc4wd and their response was "This would work,
you may have to use some different length links in some areas." Upon checking they are the same width, with the panhard and rear bracket I think it will work. But I'm still hesitant to buy as I am not yet 100% sure what other items to purchases or what modifications to do. I'm a little tight on budget and this is too risky for me at this point.
Yo Matt great vids! Whats the overdrive percentage with the gear swap in the front axle?
I'm Matt, this gearset gives you 2.57:1 at the axle. Not sure of total percentage of OD.
@@scalebuildersguild thanks Matt!
C2X or VS4-10 PRO?
Which is the better crawler?
Which would you buy and why?
VS4-10 Pro all day, everyday. Yes, it's substantially more expensive and doesn't come RTR, but it's worth every penny. It's what I'll be using for C2 this year.
@@scalebuildersguild Thanks for the reply!
Yes Vs4-10 pro it is!.... maybe the VS4 10 ULTRA although I dont know any details yet.
@@Rorieram Essentially the same chassis, with new, portal axles!
Xr narrow
Being a heavy hard body could u lower it ? If so what method would u use ?Hard bodies have given me fits losing so much performance.Snowed in Idaho 😰
It's already pretty low. Rather than move the body, I've changed the suspension.
There a compaany on Facebook that makes a flat bed 3D printed that work on it.itsonly $50.00
Do different axles bolt up to the c2x? And will scx10 or trx bumpers fit on the c2x?
C2X uses a flat rail chassis, so other bumpers will not necessarily mount right up. You can always mount different axles, but again, geometry and mounting locations vary.
@@scalebuildersguild thank you for replying. I've been told by others that the low hanging pumpkins are an issue getting hung up on stuff, thats why I asked about axle swaps. As far as bumpers I could always design and print a mount. I was thinking of a scx10.3 but the c2x looks like it'd be better for me and to showcase my scale work I 3d print for my etsy shop. C2X is too beautiful to pass up.
I wish I could help you... I've never done a Comp. 😳
I really like the Platform. Starting to totally like the C2X!! Just added that to my Dream List!!
Main reason - SCX10 ONE style Axles, improved! 👍👍 SURE, the tiny Pumpkin, Hypoid Gear SCX10 II Axles are cool and all.... They've just been a little too finicky for a casual Trail/Crawler with no friends. My "old fashioned" SCX10 One Axles have been bulletproof for years! (With the SSD Axle Housings)!! 😁
Best of Luck Matt!!
Carmine ✈🚂🚙
👍👍
Here is a panhard that is sturdier and is kept in place with three screws : www.ebay.ca/itm/114255061634
There's a new one available from RC4WD now as well. I go over it in the final video of this series.
@@scalebuildersguild Do you know where to find the diff cover smallest screws I ever saw ?
Bundle up and get the video done.
But cold weather effects tire performance! ;)
What part of the country do you live? I’m in western NY. And we have Hero Dirt right now! ~;+}>
You and your Chubs, ha
👍🏽🐒🇺🇸
Looks mean
what? no Josh bashing? I'm disappointing.........
This isn't that series. Just wait for Ep. 2 of Road to the Scale Nats. ;)
This thing is junk
I see weights attached to the rear axle. That's not comp legal. I also noticed your knuckles had holes to mount illegal weights as well. I'm pretty sick of all these comps with lazy rule following. You are not good when you win a comp that allows illegal mods. You are not promoting sport wellness by allowing illegal mods.
John, I’ve got bad news for you. Wheel weights are definitely allowed. And there’s no knuckle weight add-on that I’ve seen for this knuckle, so you’re wrong there. I would never promote cheating.