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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Sonos has just announced the release of the new Ace, a pair of cinema first headphones. Why cinema first? Watch the full video to find out. This is about as much as I have learned about the Sonos Ace from the product announcement held for the media. I even had a dedicated session with Scott who is the product lead for Sonos Home theatre product line up and he gave me such insights and answered so many of my questions on the Sonos Ace! Enjoy this video where I share ALL that I have learned about the new product from Sonos!
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Thanks so much for your hard work, this is one of my favorite channels. I'm usually not one to wear Headphones a lot but I will be getting this. I'm really excited to hopefully get a Sonos Arc 2 sometime soon. Thanks Peter
Soo excited... I'm just gonna pretend the new app isn't completely useless
Haha. I am in the same pretend mode too. :D We will make enough noise that it becomes ok again.
@@PeterPeepretend boycott and they will hear us loudly 😅
lmfao yep
It’s not completely useless, it is mostly useless because it does cause frustration, which is something
All i see is complaints on the new app, its working fine for me. and i actually like it, sure there’s some missing features but its literally its first release(?) people just like to complain about everything.
Thank you for the video, I always look forward to seeing what you have to say about Sonos products. Can’t wait to check these out for myself.
Amazing sneak peek and info, Peter. Thank you for your level headed and thoughtful presentation of the material. You always are clear and detailed. Your efforts are much appreciated. I hope you love the Ace!
Really looking froward to getting my pair, your pre release information made up my mind up to go ahead. I have the Arc with Era 300 surrounds and a Sub so the Ace will get plenty of use when watching movies and also when listening to music. Thanks for the time and effort you put into making such great content its really appreciated!
My only biggest concern, is getting it to do the music hand-off with Sonos Move, Era 300, maybe Era 100, and the fives. These are the devices in my opinion that are most commonly used with a record player (I use a move with my victrola stream so I can pick up around the house). Having the record player playback on the ace would be sweet! Also airplay being added hopefully would be software limited.
These are the only two things stopping me. Now if I had a kid, I could probably overlook these, but fairly large alienation for Sonos die hards.
Last note, for people crying about many things, the Ace has more features than nearly every sub $500 headphones.... So don't let the minor flaws outshine how great these are compared to their product category.
woohoo yes 5 years in the making... really excited thanks Peter
Weird there is no wifi. I was kind of counting on them also being like just another wifi/sonosnet device in the home and bluetooth on the go.
Well, that was my expectation too. But then I got worried about the battery life, which is probably what was on their mind too. So the current wifi implementation is limited to when the sound is transferred from the Arc to the Ace.
@@PeterPeedoes that mean when connected to the Arc your using WiFi or it Bluetooth connected to the Arc?
Ordered these, as a full Sonos household the ability to get audio off my arc, and ideally the beam in my office soon will get a lot of use, especially at night when the kids are in bed
Now I am wondering if it can only get audio from one soundbar specifically or any soundbar that it is near. Damn... I have 3 Sonos soundbars in different parts of the house.
Since the Ace connects to the Arc over WiFi and not Bluetooth, I don’t think distance will be a problem so my guess is any Arc in your house will be able to connect to the Ace no matter where you are.
@@PeterPee I'd like to know if you can have more than 1 set connected to a single sound bar at once - use case being my elderly Aunt and Uncle - my Uncle is hard of hearing and struggles with hearing the TV, and if given a hearing aid either loses it or breaks it - so my aunt is stuck listening to the TV at what she finds an uncomfortable volume. They have an Arc setup already (they asked me what to get so they could get enough volume for him to hear), so I was thinking if they could have 2 of these connected at once they could both listen to the TV at a volume suitable to each of them.
Thats a good question. They are selling them in pairs@Beer_Dad1975
@@Beer_Dad1975 They likely can get their hearing aids connected to the TV and not have to have to spend a fortune on this. I know tons of people that do this.
I can't wait to get my hands on these
Dying toooooo....
Peter, you are still the best Sonos reviewer out there, bar none. Your explanation of how the Ace uses Wifi vs bluetooth was the best I've come across. Given I have the complete Arc setup and live on a condo with upstairs neighbors, I'm really looking forward to trying out their True Cinema capability. So yes, I am definitely one of Sono's target customers. My pre-order is in. Btw, I received an email from Sonos back in March marking my 3-year anniversary of my Arc purchase. Included was a 15% discount code off my next purchase which expires next month. I held on to it for this very occasion so including tax I scored a pair for just over $400. Everything went according to plan :).
I'm so ready.
I am dying to get my hands on it. It was so weird making this in-depth video without the product in my hands. You can notice how uncomfortable I was.
@@PeterPee you are so spot on when it comes to Sonos. I have 18 speakers because you showed me how to maximize the tech and sound. Would love to shake your hand one day. Sonos should hire you officially.
Another great Sonos review - thank you so much Peter - love your reviews
I have an entire Sonos house with three full setups in various rooms; so, the idea of the sound swap when my wife goes to bed is fantastic, but really only if I’m watching a 4k UHD disc. All our setups have an Apple TV, and I do have a pair of the Airpod Max. I’m curious if the swap feature, or the sound quality itself, will justify the purchase…
That said, I already pre-ordered them! I hope I don’t have to use that return period!
Seems similar to Apple tv 4k + airpod pro 2/airpod max/beats studio pro/beats fit pro all of these have very good atmos playback with the apple tv 4k. They have very convincing surround capability. The Beats Studio Pro are actually a bargain for atmos sound, I bought some different earpads to make them a bit more comfortable and am really enjoying them now. The thing that sucks about these Sonos Ace headphones is that you have to have a Sonos soundbar to take advantage of the cinema features. It is similar to having to buy an Apple tv 4k to take advantage of the airpods/beats but the Sonos path is more expensive.
Been holding off on getting new headphones for these. I’m very excited to get these!!!
This makes me want to push for visiting my company's location in Singapore some day ❤
Great explanation Peter - thx. I'm definitely the target market and have a beam 2 and Sub mini but can never crank it up to my liking in my living room because my wife and daughter always complains 🤪. It ticks most boxes for me and Airplay support will be the icing on the cake! Looking forward to your review 👍🏻
Nice 💪🏻 Will await your indepth review of the ace 😊
Coming soon! As soon as possible! I am dying every minute waiting for it to appear in my hands.
Anc being maybe the best one, even over sony really surprised me, great to see improvements in anc tech.
I will be buying one if reviews are good. Need one for night tv viewing.
If you are watching movies, I think these will be great. I am gushing right now but it's from a 30 mins experience with them. So don't take my word for it at the moment and wait for my review!
@@PeterPee movies is my reason for one 👍🏼
@@PeterPee Same here, Peter, however would like to know if you have a target date in mind for when you'll be sharing your deeper dive and whether it will be before June 5th. Because if it posts after that date, I fear they could temporarily sell out. Still, like you said, if my reason for getting them is for use with home theater - and it is - then perhaps I should pull the trigger now and pre-order. (Wish they would've made a secondary model exclusively for in home use connected by wifi and part of my sonos ecosystem, with greater capability for hi-res lossless audio.) But I digress; when's that next video posting, my friend?
Thank you Peter, great first review, I am excited.
You and me both!
Ive pre ordered the white set expecting these to be slightly better than models like Sony XM5 in sound but with more of a premium look and feel.
Will be interesting Peter to see your own review as you already own several nice headphones.
Nice breakdown! Can’t wait to get mine
Dear Sonos,
Come back when you have sorted out the clusterfcuk of the App update and restored all the missing functionalities
Yours
Everybody
James Woods on X was kinda goin' off on the new App...he calmed down after Sonos, I guess, talked him off the ledge.
@@jazzpunk They have at least now acknowledged the issues, and released a roadmap for the fixes - but no explanation as to why the released something that was so half baked in the first place.
@@Beer_Dad1975My guess is it was necessary for the Sonos Ace headphone launch so got pushed out even though it was unfinished
Wow.. poor baby..
@@blogg9922 Yes I think you are right, but by releasing it half finished, they've now done major damage to their brand. Look at the play store rankings now - the Sonos app has crashed from mid 4 stars to low 2 stars. When I was considering Sonos, one of the things that swayed me was seeing the app had good reviews on the app store - I wonder now if I'd have made the same decision seeing the unbridled hate all recent reviews have for it now.
I’ve been waiting for this for years! My 30% My upgrade discount code worked for my pre-order today making it WELL worth it’s vallue!
Going to be great to pair it with my arc when the kids are sleeping, never been able to watch a proper movie for the last 4 years because of this
I know that feeling, mate.... I just want to watch a movie LOUD like I'm at the movies. But the only time to watch a movie is when the house is asleep... I have about $400 in gift vouchers for a hifi store, so yep, I'll get great value for $$.
Thank you! I always come right to you as soon as I see a new Sonos product or have an issue with any of my speakers. You always provide the best and most thorough information!
I do want to tell you what my first thought was, when I saw these headphones : Can I play the headphones AND the speakers at the same time - because my stepfather is very hard of hearing and my mother is very sensitive to loud sounds. If they could use the ARC for her, and the headphones at different volumes, that would be AMAZING for both of them!
I'm kind of sad that isn't a possibility. Perhaps Sonos will allow it in the future.
It doesn't sound like it's something difficult to do.
Given how much of an open secret this has been, I've been planning on getting these for my upcoming 50th birthday present to myself 🙂 Not sure if from a music/noise cancelling perspective it'll be a massive upgrade over my current daily drivers (Technics EAH-800's) - but the link to the Arc will be the must have feature for me. Looking forward to your final review!
to all those who expected streaming over wifi it would be impossible to have this without compromising severely the battery life of the headset. This would also impact the lifespan of the battery since you would have charge much more often for few minutes of listening.
Peter i know there has a lot being going on with Sonos at the moment but is the update good to go on the system. App all updated just want to know if the new update is good to download cheers
Will I be able to use them with my series x and ps5 aswell ?
Nice headphones, but unfortunately a missed opportunity. Why does the Ace have to communicate with my ARC and is not independent
So you have to make a choice: sound through TV or headphones. The added value is precisely when your partner can watch TV with sound through ARC and at the same time you can listen Music at the Sonos platform through the headphones.
Nice video as always ! Thank you so much ! Sadly they aren't waterproof, especially considering the Price.
Oh yah, they aren't even mention of water resistance.
Only reviewer who knows what he is talking about. People are expecting way too much on these headphones. Some of the stuff they want is as same as saying why we don’t have commercial flying cars yet 😅
Thank you for the content. Question, is the P2P connection from the Arc to Ace going to be lossless? If so what's the highest bitrate supported to say music playback?(44.1khz 16bit, 48khz,192khz...etc) Thanks again
Great information as usual Peter. Got a pair of Aces coming in white for the Mrs and I. Hopefully a good solution for late night viewing.
Hi Peter, can you please do a review for arc + sub mini + era 100? Haven’t saw a video of you showing the era 100 as surround which you mentioned you will do previously as well.
Seems like a missed opportunity to actually have true wireless hi res audio. Just another Bluetooth headset. I can’t imagine why you would choose these over the AirPod max which you get head aware Atmos without needing an arc. I sold both of our arcs for so is Amps so clearly this isn’t. As a heavily invested Sonos user and an owner of many over $1000 head phones, I’m genuinely disappointed.
Here we gooo the best Sonos connoisseur in the world!!! What I want to know if their trash or their an absolute must must must have???? It all depends on you Peter Pee!!! Can’t wait for your thorough review!!!
Hey Peter, is the app working completely fine for you? Would appreciate some coverage given a significant part of the community is facing issues, including myself.
There has been an update and alarms have been added back. They have promised a whole slew of updates to address some issues but I am still facing issues with Trueplay.
Salut Peter merci pour la vidéo c’est super que Sonos a fait ce casque je suis un gros consommateur de cinéma et comme ça la nuit je ne dérangerai personne j enverrai le son de la ARC vers le casque pour j’espère une bonne expérience de home cinéma 🤞
Wil the Gen 3 sub still be used when switching to the headphones for the cinema sound??..... also, you Ace'd this pre-review!!!
That needs to be a thing they add
I want to start with my particular case, as an android user. Android features are the 2nd on Sonos priority list. They did that with True play, and still no extended true play on android. Second, I was a little bit disappointed with the "no Wifi playback", I understand the battery problem on wifi, but you need to pay $450.00 + sound bar to be able to play HD music on your Sonos Ace (at least I would like to have the wifi feature and let me decide to use it or not.). And this is my 3rd problem, and this is not a sonos problem, Samsung doesn't support APTX-HD on their android phones, just LDAC and single APTX, so I cannot use the ACE to listen "HD" music via just my android phone. I see the Sonos ACE as I see the Sony playstation portal, You need a ps5 to be able to use it correctly, (in this case the soud bar) or else you can do with the ACE what you do with any other headset. I hope that they at least allow any other sonos product to do the Wifi p2p option (eras 300 eras 100).
The APTX version is adaptive. So it prioritises latency (to minimise it) and in some cases where there is a good strong connection, it could get close to APTX-HD.
As someone with s Beam gen2, at least I get to save up a while before I pick these up and wait fir the inevitable bugs to be hopefully worked out too.
I was really hoping for charge on hanger/ auto swap on pickup functions,
The charging dock would be cool. But the button can be pressed for a second or two and it swaps over so not a big difference. Just not auto.
The Beats Studio Pro and the new Beats Solo 4 allows C to C connection to device to play lossless audio.
Than you sir.
Where the hell IS my widget ! ?
I’ve own several versions of Bose quiet comfort. The fake leather flakes off after a year even when not in use. Hence, the leather parts must be easily and cheaply replaceable. In the ace, the head rest leather don’t seem replaceable and that is a concern.
Interesting product for sure, but I’ll wait for Air Pod Max 2 to be released (hopefully later this year) before making a decision. Hopefully Sonos-App-Gate is behind us by then. Thanks Peter!
You're welcome and I am waiting on them to... well... discover bugs. :D
Why does this not support Beam (gen2) setup day1? What exactly does "coming soon" mean. Is this like when they said trueplay on android "coming soon"?
Seriously. Why would they not have this ready to go on day one.
Never buy a tech product that says it will eventually support the thing you want. Sometimes, that never comes.
Hi Peter when is your Sonos ace review coming out?
Seriously interested in buying this one, because I can then finally enjoy cinema in the evening while kids are asleep.
But …they only work wireless or is it also possible to disable Bluetooth and use a physical 3,5mm jack kabel to USB C?
Presume if you have lossless music streaming to an arc and then swap it to the ace it will play lossless on the ace? Do you know Peter?
Not sure. Have to try it out. But if it is Atmos, it will play in spatial audio. Not sure about the bandwidth. Though I suspect there's more than sufficient bandwidth for hi-res stereo if it can handle multi-channel audio. But there might be a chance that the Arc compresses it to stereo before sending it over.
I’m curious about using these with hearing aids. There IS a market for grouping headphones with theater and other speakers because even the best Bluetooth hearing aids don’t personalize speech sounds / side to side balance / nor transition well between phone / bluetooth devices. I would love to listen to headphones WITH my hearing aids already correcting, vs putting in AirPods and having to switch listening profiles each time. No one else in my family needs the extra listening help, the soundbar and speakers are fine. But the grouping or the option to use the headphones at the same time would be so helpful to me. Any ideas on using these with hearing aids in general? Sizing etc?
Can you swap music from the speakers to headphone. For example I listen to my Fives and the it gets late I can just put the headphones on and continue where I left off?
No, you can't do that. Only works with the soundbars.
Thanks!
Wonderful video Peter. Do you think that if you have a Vinyl player in the system, this TV audio swap will allow for vinyl listening if you can group the speakers?
Been waiting on these
Me too!
Hey Boss I will like to know if we can connect this ACE with the Apple TV to skip buy the arc ?
Hi Peter thank you for the great video🙌 may I just ask about the size and weight of the ace compare to airpods max? Thanks a lot 🙏
Would love a comparison of ACE to the new Hedanys by Focal.
WiFi connections are hard on battery life. I think this contributes to why this was skipped. However, the P2P WiFi with the Arc is a good feature
Will the Sonos Ace allow to watch Movies/TV in Atmos/Spatial audio on iPhone/iPad?
Tell them to fix their goddamn app. You have pull.
Hi Peter, very detailed video as usual thank you.
So without an Arc can you still get the cinema scape aspect?
Me gustaría tener información de la música local en Sonos, funciona con más en smb3?
If I had to buy a pair now I'd get these. But, it's really hard to justify switching from my Sony WH-1000XM5... I have a "all Sonos home", including a Sonos Arc, the idea of simply transferring the Atmos audio from the Arc to the headphones is great, but I can already set my PC to play Atmos for headphones (yes in Bluetooth VS Wifi so audio is probably more compressed). Am I missing something? Thanks and cheers!
One question - maybe I missed it. Can you pair multiple Ace headsets at once? (E.g., two people watching same movie in house at night)
Good video. Can you tell me if these headphones connect to an Apple TV?
As an Apple user and in the eco system I use the AirPod Max with my Apple TV but it sounds like these Sonos headphones are a waste of time as you need an arc to get the true cinema experience from them. I don’t like using the AirPod Max for travel as they’re too heavy on the head and was hoping to purchase the new Sonos Ace ones but don’t see the point now or am I missing something? May have to just purchase the Bose QC ultras instead. These headphones are obviously great if you’re in the Sonos ecosystem.
Existing users with multi room setups who have no interest in soundbars have been completely shut out of this release. The users that helped build this community are those that have been screaming for Sonos headphones for years. This product will be viewed by many as Bluetooth headphones with a Sonos badge and no more. This is a hugely disappointing tone deaf release and proves they aren’t listening to their customers, ignoring the ecosystem is ignoring the thing that makes you different. I have 8 Sonos products scattered around the house and this works with precisely none of them.
Not sure people really want to wear headphones 24/7 either, when they spent so much money in the ecosystem. This is the new shiny.
Do these new headphones have pass through like Apple Max?
Thanks Peter, my biggest drawback is no support of Lossless via iOS bluetooth. That is a big miss in your opinion correct?
That’s Apple’s fault to be fair, and imho, it’s not that much of a problem given you still have hi-res over cable (much like the px8)
Anyone? Is trueplay broken after the last updates? I couldn’t tune. It worked this morning after the last update, bass felt way off. Tried to rerun, now it not saving it again as before.
Do you know if you can connect the Ace to a PC via USB-C for video calls (e.g. Zoom) or does it only support calls via Bluetooth? Couldn’t find anything about this in the release information
Yes any usb and any 3.5 mm they fully support wired play the mic must work, like that also don't se why not
Yeah baby....they're out albeit on pre-order. Waiting for the full in-depth review before I can justify spending thay much on these. That Dolby Atmos alone is enticing if I may say so myself.
30:51 so, in theory if someone has only a beam G1, with no satellite or subwoofer, does that mean the Ace will sound just like 2.0? If so, that makes no sense, since the hardware could in theory can do far more...
So you’re saying without sonos arc, its ability will not be maximum? 😢
Why would anyone buy a Sonos product after the recent mess with their software update? They have demonstrated they can and will disable features in any product at any time they want, without regard to customer concern.
Please don’t be dramatic. Some features are temporarily missing for maybe like a month. New features were added.
@@santiagor1436 he is right though. The app is completely disastrous and I had to delete it to side load the older version. It was unusable and kept crashing or not picking up my system. What ever about missing features, that level of bugs released is unacceptable
It’s not dramatic. I paid for something that they then took away so they could sell these headphones. Sonos could easily just release an S2 version of the app and unscrew us. Or at least let us restore the old version. There was no warning this would happen.
@@santiagor1436I don't think it's dramatic, anytime you buy something that's dependent on working on someone else's computer, You don't really own it. In
TV audio swap only works with iOS. Also, not having any kind of room grouping (even if limited to no Atmos) and being entirely limited to soundbars, is a big bummer for those of us who are Amp users. If it sounds better than the AirPods Max, I’ll buy it, but they haven’t really implemented many Sonos killer features so it’s going to have to beat Apple on sound.
I don't think it's limited to iOS. In fact, you don't even need the app to swap it. But I will test it and confirm.
They look great! They’re good looking headphones , a bit like a more refined version of the Apple AirPods Max! Look forward to hearing them 😅
And it's WAY lighter.
@@PeterPee that’s good! yes I forgot about the weight of the AirPod Max 😂👍🏻 - Looking forward to your review when you buy a pair 😃👍🏻
Don’t quite understand the feature to playback the sound according to my room arc setup. Would prefer the ace to deliver the best sound that it possibly could instead of trying to imitate the room setup.
Don’t get it - if listening to music through the ARC is it better quality due to WiFi?
Can you use it without any phone or other BT source ? Having the Sonos Echo System around ?
I suspect that's the next accompanying accessory!
Does the Ace carry the home sound profile on the go? e.g. your sonos home sound signature into the car playing music or video?
Good point. Need to check when I try them out.
Is it possible to connect multiple Sonos Ace headphones via theater swap (wifi access)?
Having Sonos headphones independent of your regular Sonos system is the perfect solution for people with hearing loss.
Not sure if I am catching your drift. How does that work? I mean, it's a meaningful observation and I'd like to learn how to design audio products for users affected by hearing loss.
@@PeterPee sorry, what I am meaning is a specific example where my father who is hard of hearing needs to have the sonos system up quite loud for him to hear it well, my mother doesn’t so the ideal situation for them is to have my father with the headphones at what volume suits him while my mother can listen to the main system as a more comfortable volume.
Can we connect 2 headphones 🎧 in the same time?
I want to see the Apple compatibility features before I pre-order
No airplay2 so I'm gonna say it ain't gonna be comparable to a apple focused product.
Not sure whether the lack of Airplay 2 is something that can be updated OTA.
They are just another Bluetooth headset really. AirPod max seems like a much better value to Apple users. Plus you can use head aware Atmos without needing an arc.
@@PeterPee It will be gen 2...LOL
Hey Peter will this headphones work with the Sonos PlayBar
No, atleast not at launch EDIT: and i would say maybe never as that wasn't even listed for Future update
I doubt it. The Wifi bandwidth is not sufficient.
Can I listen to lossless via Apple Music with my iPhone on these via Bluetooth?
I guess we'll get Beam Gen2 support in about a year then? Along with 80.0.0.475 (which will fix 11 of the 176 app issues)...
You have very specific numbers. :D
I was really hoping this would use wi-fi to send a wireless Hi-res sound quality experience to the headphones.
Yes, so I can have no wires while I sit ir move around.
Also so my phone's bluetooth does not send annoying notification sounds.
... yes genius I can silent all notifications while i use these and then turn notifications back on after doing that. However i would rather skip that step each time. Kinda the way we all use Sonos speakers in the house versus a bluetooth speaker.
Do you think these are the best at noise canceling? Comparing them to the Sonys and air pods max?
I suggest you buy and compare for your own ears. But then think... Sony and Bose are like 1/2 the price. Do you really think having headphones on all the time is that comfortable?
Peter, I find that this was a missed opportunity for Sonos to lean into more personal home theater scenarios given the trend towards watching movies on mobile and laptop devices, and even the Apple Vision Pro (AVP). While I understand that the AVP is not yet released in Singapore yet, as a fellow Singaporean living in the US, I currently own one and it is a game changer to how future media consumption looks like. Handicapping the spatial audio features of the Ace to the Arc and future sound bars therefore seems shortsighted. In fact, I recently sold my Arc, Sub, and surrounds after getting the AVP since there wasn't a need for it anymore (movies, especially 3D ones, are far more immersive with the AVP), and the AVP is much more portable especially if you're mostly on the move, or are renting and may not have the space or may need to relocate in the future.
Sony got a lot more bass in comparison, wonder if EQ can help and how much.
Anyway ult wear got my heart, and with that one it's impossible to co.pete 😂
No Airplay = no purchase?
Woo
Hoo!
Hope that usb c cable can be connected to iPhone to playback hi res lossless apple music
You should have asked when they’re going to make the new app worth downloading..not interested in headphones. Apple pro EarPods work just fine.
Would’ve purchased these if I didn’t already have an amazing gaming headset which works really well with movies & music (Arctis Nova Pro Wireless).
I suspect that category of headphones might be what this is up against. :D
@@PeterPee To be honest, I don’t think they’ll be able to compete with high end gaming headsets. There’s no mention of console or pc gaming…
Would these even work as a headset (ie. mic for chat) on the PS5? Don’t think it would as I think it’s just linking to the Arc not the PS5 at all.
They’re Bluetooth, USB-C & 3.5mm compatible. Not sure it would work on a PS5 tho, since most headsets use dongles. My Arctis Nova Pro uses the DAC which connects to the PS5 via the DAC & USB-C cable.
Hd599 epos ,h6pro openbacks and corsair hd65s I have 3 very very very capable headphones and a soundblaster 7.1 amp dac and dolby atmos app so even tho I like them likely won't buy
They can be bought in a 2 pack for $45 off. :)
No.... er.... really?