It's actually not just shady behavior, it's highly against any consumer regulations. I am totally confused why they don't get a big lawsuit thrown at them.
Who will bring forth the lawsuit? The consumer authorities won’t because theyre probably invested in the company or earning favours from the company. At most they get a multi million dollar fine, when they’re earning billions.
@@justinreynolds6318 Thank you for bringing the smart question. I wish people were half as quick to ask for that as they are to invent conspiracy theories.
Same thing has been happening to the 3050 laptop for years too. If I recall, the 4GB 3050 has 2 versions with different CUDA core amounts, and then a newer 6GB version that has the same CUDA cores as the 3050 Ti 🤔
@@LinusTechTips @JarrodsTech, you can also consider all the shenanigans with the max-q thing with the 30xx laptop with different performance depending on the TDP... or even this last 2 years with the 40xx laptop where for instance, Asus put a 4090 inside their G16 2024 but it's a castrated 115w version.. (yeah I know not necessarily nVidia's fault here). Anyway Laptops selection those last 2 years is a minefield : all the 4070, 4060, 4050 are basically useless when the laptop manufacturer is using 16:10, 1600p with sh1tty 6 or 8gb vram. 4080 is barrely acceptable (D4 with high details 1600p is almost eating all the vram in this case for instance)... And with the 4090 full 175w, you'll end up having at least a 2,5kg laptop with a 330w power brick (yeah now we got GaN power brick but it's barely better) just to end up having a GPU that barely deserve the xx90 name... I also think that a lot of laptop manufacturer ended up cutting the corners because of the increase in the price of the 40xx, just like Lenovo did with the Legion 7i pro... But as long as they don't have a serious competitor, they will have a boulevard to continue their stupidities. Edit : sorry LTT ended up talking about those details at 9:42
@@JarrodsTech I have the 3050 model 4gb with 16gb ram, but I play the steam deck way more somehow. I do want to get a new laptop with a 4050 6gb…or wait till January and see some drops on 4080 with 8gb.
@@lharsay The new 6GB 3050 mobile version is the one they should have released originally. The original mobile 3050 was always heavily bottlenecked by 4GB of vram. The chip itself was reasonably fast, but 4GB of vram just wasn't enough for anything other than low settings in most cases.
no perf makers just have chemical dross. its not watered down - its just junk. the orig perfumes were mega strong because people smelled like crap. since those times they dialled it back a bit. Also heavy smokers cant smell as good either and less people smoke now too.
the same happens in cars. A brand new car model has bugs that are ironed out in like 1-2 years, and as the car approaches the last years of it's life, the car makers use the cheapest parts possible, from secondary or tertiary parts suppliers and watered down formulae for the plastic composite panels. That is how they make even more profits, by selling the same cars, with higher prices but also lower quality and lower manufacturing cost. This is why you hear their profit margins goingf up year after year in their reports, but in main media headlines they are whinning and bishing about poor profits, trying to cover up their practices. Not a new thing at all, this is decades old practice. Now they uncovered a new way to icnrease profits, by charging customers double for the same parts...subscription. You pay up the car , but they block functionality from parts so you pay again.
One aspect missed here: Buying OEM equipment or pre-built: Suppose you buy a PC pre built that claims to have an RTX 3080. Suppose you're trying to compare that for value for money with another PC builder. Good luck trying to figure out what you are *actually* getting.
@@Thomogon Exactly, not to mention nerffed to high heaven with greatly reduced clock speeds. Said sarcastically, you have to "love" laptop and device versions of GPUs and CPUs.... 🤣
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP what? At most price points amd offers more value for the consumer. For example just compare the rx 6650 xt for the 3050 at the same price.
This is why I'm super OCD about researching EVERY tech thing I buy. You just can't trust any corporation to not be evil, because if given a chance, they most certainly will be.
Whelp, they got me. I bought my daughter a 3050 6 gig based on some reddit posts. Didn't realize at all there were another "3050" had been released. Luckily it's fine for what she uses it for, but I still feel deceived.
@@remowilliams564 it’s basically just fraud It’s not a store-workers job to keep every scam by giant monopolistic companies in mind. If your product is basically falsely advertised on the package it’s certainly 100% solely the producers fault
@@doesitgame As a 3040, then you would know what you are getting. The last graphics card I bought was a GT730, which I knew wasn’t going to win any speed records, but uses a single pci-e lane, is bus powered, passively cooled, and perfectly adequate for outputting a command prompt to an HDMI monitor.
The lack of transparency and consistency in naming from Nvidia is causing confusion for consumers. It's unfair to those trying to make an informed decision about what they're buying.
Remember the GTX 1070 ti? This was basically a 1080 with a tiny bit of decreased clock speed. But seemingly enough for them to not sell it as a 1080. And now they sell way worse variants of their GPUs under the same name.
@@wandregalbjornson1452 It's even worse than what you're saying. They had a agreement with AIBs where they weren't allowed to release any overclocked 1070 ti models just to artificially create a bigger difference during reviews.
Remember though that in the same generation they sold a cut down 1060 as "1060 3GB" even though the chip on it was 75% of the performance of a full sized 1060 6GB
@@wandregalbjornson1452 It was technically a different GPU. Had less CUDA cores and GDDR5 memory instead of the GDDR5X in the 1080. NVIDIA didn't allow it to be overclocked out of the box just cause it performed better than a stock 1080 when it was.
It goes back to their origins even. There was a Riva "TNT 2", even before they released their GeForce brand, with a cut-down memory bitwidth, from 128 bits to 64 bits. They have been doing this since their inception.
In the UK, we have the advertisement standards agency, and if they can be shown to be misleading on their products, they have the power to force any company to change their advertising.
@@milasudril It's a nice spin on words, but it's just still inflation. Less product for your money as before. So yes, your money is still becoming less valueable, so, inflation it is. Shrinkflation is a word to dumb it down and mislead the people for what it is. Don't use it. Refuse to use it.
But that implies the labeling clearly spell out some kind of measurable quantity on the packaging that can then be stood up against an offered price. You can see how annoying the gasoline engine performance efficiency arithmetics can become, and that's only with 2 reported numbers. What will get reported (remember that lawyers will get involved with locking in what these numbers count) for equipment that the market (and its lawyers) expects to be used for only spreadsheets and email, not what a sliver of the wants to use for enthusiast entertainment?
This is a legitimate issue. I told a friend that the 1060 was a solid value, and a month later I asked how he was getting on. His framerates weren’t what I was expecting, so I asked a bit further. Turns out he’d bought the 3gig 1060, not the 6gig. I hadn’t even known the 3gig existed prior to that. You can bet I pay a bit more attention to nvidia’s shenanigans since then.
lol, not only nvidia but amd too with my rx 580 4gb, i know that they had 8gb version back then but still buy 4gb version because its cheaper and my games doesnt need more than 3gb of vram (ultra settings). i am grateful that their performance are close.
I knew about it as my older brother who's an Nvidia fan was looking at a graphics card for my nephew. Back in 2016 it was a matter of the 1060 is a little faster and more efficient than the 480 but only if you got the 6gb version. If you had only 3gb you would lose a lot of performance in games at the time that wanted a little over 3gb, something that wasn't a problem on the similarly priced and more capable 480. Not only that, the GPU has less cores on the 3GB variant, at least AMD called their cut down card a 470.
@@yami7271 But that is the difference. If they labelled the 2 different versions and the performance and memory bus width is the same between the two, just different VRAM, then there is absolutely no problem. The difference is clearly labelled. Nvidia intentionally cuts down cards even further to make more profit such that even in applications where the VRAM capacity is less than the lower memory version, the performance is wildly different.
If they work fine, the price can be whatever they like. I tried to save money path, bought an 7700XT and ended up with a card that has coil whine and loud fans
The funniest example is GT 730. There where 3 versions and they weren't even using the same architecture. One was Kepler and two where Fermi. The performance difference between those models could exceed 100%. Because the bus was also changing from 64bit to 128bit.
@@stixia And because it was Nvidia and GT 730 low end, NO TECH CHANNEL EVER QUESTIONED NVIDIA'S PRACTICES. if it was AMD..... the memes would be coming even today....
What's criminal is in budget end people will count their last penny to pick a HW spec that e.g. just breaks over 30FPS for some game they love. And a 10..20% decrease will leave them with unusable hardware and no money.
Yup, not even only break 30FPS, they're already on the higher end consumers if they can buy anything somewhat modern - so they essentially straight up scam people that already can't really afford a higher end card but still want an experience where they don't have to change everything in the config to get it to run. It's really weird to scam people out of cash that already pay you what they can spare. I already thought energy efficency, ease of use & the lack of power efficent modern GPUs is part of why most people play on console, but this just gives it another huge bump as to why budget players should stick to consoles.
@@Unknown_Genius I get what you mean, but consoles still don't let you easily customize them, so they're still unattractive to a budget gamer such as myself. I know I'm in the minority though, the market isn't aimed at me, and I'm actually happy tweaking out greater performance out of my setup, it's part of the adventure, I just wish naming conventions weren't part of that adventuring uncertainty.
@@Cyromantik Yup, the issue here isn't the market not being aimed at people, but people specifically being deceived which may lead to people rather switching to console instead of ever building a budget PC again after it happened once, especially if they saved up a lot to have a higher end budget card for once. At least I do imagine that someone who bought parts for like 300€ (this card included) may just think about better spending that money for e.g. a Series S the next time around, especially if they upgrade from some older gen budget cards like the 1650 and expect... well, more than like a 35% speed increase after 5 years - or depending on the game an increase in like 5-15 FPS. At that point I'd (personally) just go get a console given that I'll at least know that games will run and I'm not throwing my money out for absolutely nothing. Ironically enough you'd have a PC that has almost the same performance + a console as well at that point. Most crazy part imo is that the 3070 essentially is close to be a mid range GPU at this point, yet they decided "Why not release a slightly better 1650?" somehow. Funnily enough I had more budget builds (not entirely lowend) myself for years, and for me it was always a fest to upgrade after ~4 years, because usually you had some games already that didn't run without tinkering with them, and after the upgrade they were just playable - and if I hadn't bought a more expensive one, I might have even fallen in this trap myself as it'd have been time to upgrade around now and possibly not noticed that I'm watching the wrong review.
A lot of people could afford top end but buy mid range because they don't need more. And people who saved pocked money for a year to buy a new graphics card tends to dig reviews a lot at least from my experience.
Well I don't have enough money but when it comes to buying something I spend a lot. For example if I need a gaming pc I'll but a very good one but it will come at cost of loan, kidney or eating 1 $ meal/day or two days. I once bought a laptop saving for 6 years and I regret it , a lot of reviews and people , I saw they got better laptop than mine at same price or even lower , can't get that out of my head. I emptied one of my bank savings for it lol. I also tend to buy a good phone , but I always buy things I can only afford if I cut on meals , risk insurance or take loan or do two jobs and some risky finance . I don't know why but I don't buy cheap stuff even if it means to risk my college fees or potentially endanger me if something happens , I guess I really do want to spend money only if it's worth it . That's why these misleading numbers will hurt me badly . If I spend a lot of money on a pc to realize it's not worth it, I'm going to off myself. Already sad about my " laptop " which cost 800$ but only 8Gb DDR5 and , Ryzen 5 , 3050Ti 4GB You can get at 500$ 16GB DDR4 , and even some 1650 at 6GB... really wrongest decision of my life considering I don't have money to buy any new clothes or repair anything if broken for a while lol.
I remember a few years ago wanting to buy a Titan Xp, but there are two versions of it! There's the Titan X Pascal (often shortened to Titan Xp) which is essentially a 1080Ti and then there's the Titan Xp which is like a Quadro P6000 but with half the VRAM and performs better than the other Titan Xp. They even look identical. I eventually gave up on trying to buy one because the naming was just too confusing.
IIRC Nvidia never marketed the Pascal GPU as XP. This was a name the community made up. They should maybe have been aware of this before using that name for something else, but it's not 100% on them.
The Titan X situation was so much worse. It's actually a russian doll case of misleading marketing. Nvidia initially released the Titan X, which was a Maxwell card comprised of the full fat GM102 die and 12GB of RAM, basically a GTX 980ti with double the memory and a 10~15% performance boost. Then they released the Titan X. Literally the exact same name, but this time a card comprised of an almost full fat GP102 die and 12GB of RAM, basically a GTX 1080ti with a slight performance boost and an extra 1GB of RAM. This REALLY annoyed the community, so they called it the Titan Xp since the two cards were in completely different performance classes, like the pascal version was very nearly twice as fast in some case. THEN Nvidia released an ACTUAL Titan Xp, which WAS the full fat GP102 die with slightly faster 12GB of RAM, giving about a 10% improvement over the last card, but the name basically made it impossible to call it anything that wouldn't confuse anyone. Call it the Titan Xp and you're going to confuse people in reviews because that's what people were already calling the last card in reviews, but it's not what you see on the shelf. Call it the Titan Xpp so that people don't get confused by reviews and you confuse them when they get to the shelf. In retrospect, people now call them Titan X Maxwell, Titan X Pascal, and Titan Xp, but the damage has already been done. Tinfoil hat, I think they did it on purpose to implicitly tell reviewers to never make up names for their products. When I walked into Microcenter during the fiasco, I saw so many open box titan cards, especially the Maxwell ones. The thing that shocked me the most was that Nvidia ever dared to screw with their enthusiast buyers, but I probably should've taken it as a hint that their enthusiast buyers were now in the enterprise space and we didn't matter anymore to them.
Nvidia has NEVER put out a "new" card with the same name/model as an older card while actually being BETTER and FASTER. It's always worse and slower, and that says it all.
Well they did do that EVGA 2060KO card that performed better in production workloads if I recall correctly. They didn't do it on purpose. But it was a cut down 2080 maybe a 2070. I don't remember. Had some good gains on those workloads. Then AMD had that Zen 2 CPU that was labeled as a Zen1 part. I can't remember the exact SKU. 1600F or something like that. But yeah. 99.99999 percent they do this to purposely deceive and abuse consumers. But maybe once in our entire lifetime it goes the other way!
@@albundy06 But the KO was technically an EVGA card wasn't it? Sure Nvidia approved it, but it was EVGA who did all the heavy lifting integrating it into their own product stack using the so to say unofficial KO naming!
I think it's more of a modern thing, in the past card refreshes used to be the same or slightly better. I think at some point they realized they could get away with just making it cheaper/worse.
I recently ran into this exact scummy behavior from Lenovo. I was looking at the Intel version of the ThinkPad P14s G5, and thought "wait.. AMD chips are supposedly better this generation, aren't they?". I nearly bought the AMD version of the same ThinkPad P14s G5 when I realized that while the Intel variant is made of aluminum, the AMD version is just plastic. I can totally see someone getting a recommendation from a friend who has the Intel version, hearing that AMD chips have a better iGPU, and deciding to go with AMD just for that, and only realizing that the full aluminum laptop their friend has isn't ehat they got, despite being named exactly the same.
Definitely an Intel shady deal. Same reasons why ASUS Zephyrus G16s with Intel go up to 4090s, and AMD variants cap at 4070s. Or Lenovo Brands Legions 7i (Intel) and 9i (intel) as more premium than AMD offerings. Legion 5 pros series got G-sync and advanced Optimus only on Intel in 2022 List goes on. Lots of shady business behind the scenes.
I kid you not. I was just looking at parts picker this afternoon to plan my next build and I mistakenly selected the 3060 8GB. I didn't even realize 8 GB existed. I saw a few benchmarks and though this would fit my needs. No I am unravelling. This video couldn't have come at a more perfect time for me. Literally.
It should be illegal to do this. There is absolutely no excuse. We have no problem cutting down or modifying once it comes with appropriate name change that clearly reflects the change.
It is illegal, it's just that consumer protection agencies won't do jack against companies engaging in this and the prices are still small enough that at most you could take Nvidia to small claims court and win - and that's not worth anybodies time.
I think calling lies, and deceit and even scams just 'shady behaviour' is too respectful for a corporation like Nvdia. Also, there is absolutely no point in saying a market leader has a 'responsibility' to be better. They are not a person with morals, they are a corporation, and will not change unless forced to.
You can't be sued for saying "Shady Behavior" you can be sued for Lies, deceit, etc.... And even if you prove it in court, it cost you an absurd amount of money.
I work part time as a salesman in a big Greek brand and this video game right on time. This week I had a customer that had been offered a laptop with a 4070 in it. As we were building a comparable in specs with a cut in price PC. I pushed for a 4060Ti to stay in budget and because his gaming didn't need anything more substantial than that for many years to come. He argued that the laptop was a better deal because of the 4070 (which btw run on 80W) while my pc had worse specs. His surprise when I pulled up comparisons and graphs showing the superiority of the 4060Ti was immense. Nvidia really confuses the customers maliciously to the point where even if you are tech savvy, its sometimes better to not say anything to avoid conflict with customers.
What on Earth are you talking about? There´s nothing confusing, one is a laptop GPU which of course will have cut down performance and the other is a desktop one.
The graphics card is trash. But people who have no idea will think 16GB is better than 12GB like the 4070. They won't understand that it only has a 128-bit bus. Basically, laypeople are being scammed. Even the 3070 with 8GB is better than the 4060ti with 16GB in wqhd gaming.
They’d probably beat that particular claim in court because that’s the only GPU titled “3050 6GB”. It’s “scammy”, but I’m pretty sure it’s not technically a scam.
Their worst offenders are the GT series. Throughout so many years, they've kept the same name for certain GT series and then just built them on a completely different manufacturing node while changing around memory spec, memory amount, and bus width.
They pulled this exact stunt on the 1030 two gens ago. There was a 1030 with GDDR5 VRAM which is fine and one with DDR4 VRAM. And the only way to tell was to sift through the spec sheet or closely inspect the packaging. The performamce difference was ~40% between the two.
The point was that it doesn't require PCIe power and the 6600 does. In that specific instance where that is needed, the 6600 is not an option. Anywhere else, I'm right with you.
It's a race to the bottom where everyone's hoping to pull back and lose at the last minute, because even if every single company is evil, we have to buy from somebody.
Dear friend @@stevethepocket I dot not buy any graphics card from "nvidia/amd/intel" trio since 2015. They do not compete, but only "fix prices" against you and me. I (still) got R9 380 (4 GB) from 2015 and not gonna waste any penny until the I see market returns to normality. Good luck with rigging the market with price fixing crime. People have no more the purchasing power and abuse of "nvidia/amd/intel" trio is at "enough is enough" limit.
I mean there's still enthusiasts using 3dfx voodoos and playing quake 1 and shit. Also didn't china put out a card last year that has the performance of a 1060 3 GB or something? Pretty impressive considering how far behind they used to be
9:24 That's fine. Change the name slightly. GTX 661, GTX 665, GTX 660X, GTX 660a... or ANYTHING else that differentiates. Unacceptable, but classic corporate greed.
That would almost never work out, nvidia can calm that "you didn't do your research," and the case is closed. Expect maybe the new 4070 that has no label what so ever. And then it would only be like $15 or a game worth $15
@@TheKutia Given that the majority of people play games with those cards: Yes, yes they are. And most already dont know how it all works because they don't have the time to really check on stuff, so I take the guess that their main idea is to also confuse those that help them but also got a life going & sales people, so they end up with selling customers worse products. I personally know quite a few people that don't know, they just put out cash and want to buy the best available (or the best in a certain range), so this is pretty much targetted at them - and I doubt anyone would listen to someone telling them to not take another prebuilt PC/Laptop than recommended that's being sold a bit cheaper because the same named card in it is most likely going to be worse - properly explaining that takes a longer time than they either got available or are willing to spare.
the "6GB" and "GDDR6" example is why i hate the Ti and XT sublabels instead of a number change, because search engines will disregard a small search term if a better match for everything else fits better.
RX 7600 XT < RX 7650 RTX 3050 6GB < RTX 3040 same goes for the high end, Ti Super and XTX are longer and seem to stick around a little more, but 4075 and 7970 still work better.
the sad thing is with retail (and especially best buy) nowadays is that they'll fire the tech savvy sales reps because of old and grizzled vets aren't getting a good compensation amount. Saw it happen in person and also happened to me too. its why a couple of buddies I worked with and I made signs right outside the BestBuy we worked at letting usuals know I and others were fired and we could personally help with a google voice numbers to each of us. This best buy has since closed due to lack of sales and traffic.
Believing that corporations should set a good example is like wishing on a star. You either force them to do things the right way by passing legislation(and good look with that!), or just sit and cry about it. They literally could not care less, they will keep shoveling you the same shit forever. Voting with your dollar is fuckin' useless if most of the people buying don't know any better and aren't interested or can't be bothered to know any better. Time to start thinking bigger
Voting with your wallet isn't just pointless but somewhat impossible here. I dislike Nvidia's practices but nobody else is selling what I need. There's AMD but it doesn't support a couple of features I need and even if I was willing to put up with that, they are as sinful in naming things so not much point. And I'm not buying battle mage, sorry.
Except corporations aren't any more evil than any other organization. They are composed of people who get distracted, go with the flow, forget their basic values etc and the sad thing is that it's not any different in government or even many charities and nonprofits. Yah, it's bad and awful but there just isn't that much that can be done at a larger scale. Bring government into it and sometimes you get some useful labeling or standards but often you get red tape that companies can use to keep competitors from entering the market. And then you sometimes get the truly horrific labeling laws like those requiring GMO warnings -- in effect tricking people into thinking technology that can reduce costs and improve health around the world is awful. In other words it's horrible but humans kinda suck so it's hard to do better than horrible.
It's a mixed bag, we have companies selling us time bomb controllers that will drift in months, while SEGA gave us hall effect sticks since the inception of sticks on SEGA hardware and everyone voted with their wallets against them. Now those same people complain about stick drift like it slaughtered their families. Intel make cheap, and frankly underrated GPUs and yet everyone refuses to support them because NVidia's spicy lighting is slightly better, then they complain that GPUs are too expensive. (I daily drove an Arc A380 for a solid year and it was great on Windows 11 and Linux Mint/MX Linux. But people still brushed them off anyway) People make poor decisions, and when they come back to bite them, they point fingers at everyone else. (like the time a 20 - 30 fps DVD player outdid the competent games consoles, and the rest of them took on that same "multimedia and casuals" approach that everyone hates today.) Until people realise how stupid it is to support bad things over the good ones because the bad one has one thing the others don't, they deserve the poor products they've paved the way for.
@@dominusdone5023 I do a lot of non-gaming stuff on GPU, iray renderer is Nvidia only and a lot of ai stuff work much more smoothly on cuda, especially on windows.
GF108, GK107 and GK208. There is also different memory configurations like DDR3 64bit, DDR3 128bit or GDDR5 64bit. Some are also advertised of having GDDR5 128bit
@@n.g.5234 imagine the feeling when you buy GT730 and then you find out it is rebranded GT640 and after some digging around you realize it is same card that was first sold as GT545 ten years ago :D
1:50 I think that calling it 3050 6 GB makes an average consumer think that it's the same thing as 3050 8 GB except for the amount of VRAM. And that's not true. Calling it 3040 would have been much more honest. And that name would have been free! (Update: I see you mentioned the same thing later. Great work!)
It really is a nightmare trying to build a PC without knowing every single thing about every type of component. I’ve been watching tech videos from many different channels for over 6 years, but when I decided to start building my first desktop I was lost. Felt like I knew absolutely nothing. Fortunately I have friends with far more knowledge than myself that helped me with the parts list. But if I didn’t, I feel like I would’ve been basically forced to buy a prebuilt, just to have hope the thing would work.
@@RvB_Fan_since_8 it's true, my son was getting into computers and wanted to build one, I figured it'd be fun to build it with him, but he needed some guidance so I checked his homework ... I basically had to turn into a computer expert in 2 weeks to know exactly what I was spending my money on. Very easy to make a mistake if you put even a little trust into the manufacturer.
@@topspot4834 You can do EVERYTHING right and then still end up with a nightmare. Like getting an Intel 13th or 14th gen CPU only to have your system start crashing and you tear your hair out troubleshooting for months before you get wind of news that it's not your fault. That's assuming you even think to look at tech news.
first thing is first when building a PC Choose your side....AMD or Intel after that things easily fall into place, because you will be limiting which MOBOs are compatible, and on, and so on until your restraints are what physically fits in the case
Likely, this behaviour is illegal in Australia. Can't wait for someone to test that out in the courts. I might just send a message to the ACCC about it...
Even then its the hardware stores or the card/laptop partners (Asus, Dell etc) that will get stuck holding the refund claim... cause Nvidia doesn't directly to consumers.
Sales reps really don't know about what they sell most of the time. One time I was at Fry's electronics when it was still around, and overheard one of the sales guys trying to sell a GTX 980 to someone who just wanted a basic PC that might do light web-based gaming on occasion.
@@MrGts92man's got a point tho. Industry customers have deeper pockets. Part of why their consumer offerings suck more and more is to push anyone who needs more power into the enterprise bracket where they have to spend signifigiantly more money. And since there is no viable software tool chain outside of CUDA, everyone is forced to pay the higher prices.
well, a business only stays alive and innovating if they are profiting, nobody works for free! And nothing ever gets cheaper if theres nothing new ahead,
Yeah, but also no. The problem isn't the title of the video. It's Nvidia's shenanigans. Changing it would be shifting the responsibility. BTW: All these major companies suck at this naming scheme thing. With Nvidia it's purposely misleading, AMD and Intel are just confusing. Maybe deliberately.
I'm sticking with my 2080 ti gigabyte Gaming OC card. I bought my graphics card at the beginning of 2021 and I don't really think an upgrade to the 40 series makes sense yet.
Maybe Steve from GN should shine a spotlight on some lawyers and launch an investigation on Nvidia to see if there's grounds for a class action lawsuit for essentially false advertising of a product.
at this point.. the only way to shop NVIDIA GPUs is to chart models to specs and give em nicknames, like “the 3060 thats really a 3050” and the “4070 thats really a 4080” might as well name cards by their framerates on csgo, overwatch, and cyberpunk at 4k ultra graphics
and remember, the RTX 4060 is a GPU with the bandwidth, vram and chip of a 4050, with the price and name of a 4060
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Well I guess tomorrow is Monday, perfect day to call our EU representatives and talk with them about this issue. I bet they won't ignore couple billion in fines they could issue.
@@sarpant and how did USB-c go? BTW. I spoke with couple already, answer was overal : "We were not aware of the situation. Very interesting, probably illegal. We will look into it".
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@@user-cs9by8jd6l Apple hires lawyers too stupid to understand that EU law is based not only on pure text of the law but also on spirit of law. So they try to play like it is USA. They were forced to open the ecosystem for others, they made it really hard, were slapped across the face, they made it little easier but still too hard so new investigation started and they will be fined again.
I wonder if that's part of the humor because it looks like something Nvidia would do. This was probably done intentionally to make fun of Nvidia's product naming behavior (theme of the video).
@@Marauder-q2v The probably would not like Lite since it indicates it's a lower tier, or that they used the term for Lite/Light Hash Rate. There's loads of alternative naming ideas if they actually wanted to show that they care. They could use SE - people could think it means Special Edition, but they could say Slimmed. Or 3050-X, 3050-FU, 3050-GD..whatever. Any way of naming and differentiating them, even if confusing, is better than none.
Yep. I learned my lesson. Bought an ROG Strix 3080 10GB because it was "a bit cheaper" than the 12GB ones but my Gpu died somewhat near the gpu shortage end. It was both the first one to drop below 1k € AND amongst the best air cooled 3080s. I was jumping from joy when it arrived and disappointed to learn that it somehow cant drive games at 1440p 120fps. On games on 1440p high - ultra my gpu caps at 80-100 fps on the vast majority of games I play. That surprised me big times as I watch a lot of LTT and even your 3060ti systems regularly go vastly past 100fps on most games you show. Im already knowingly exluding games like Counterstrike that are CPU bound, but still my half wisdom with that shady naming scheme got me good this time.
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That isn't a new model. All the health regulations came because they straight up labelled dangerous goods as food since it was cheaper than producing the food item in question.
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yeah but how do you know which benchmarks are for which variants, because not all benchmarks list every detail of the card. A benchmark might say 4070 12Gb and another benchmark might say 4070 12Gb, but might not be the same variant.
how are you gonna tell if the benchmark was performed on the exact same card that you're gonna buy? Especially if the benchmark was performed years ago
And im still using it no joke A 1050ti laptop on cyberpunk 2077 If it wasnt for FSR it would be 15fps like in the good old days But minimal wage means get used for famine and poverty thats your life now and forever
Yeah even the Laptop variant was a beast it was the first actual Generation where you could say you had a proper gaming laptop, everything prior was either a desktop replacement solution or terrible performance wise.
Asus does similar things with their laptops in Europe. Matter of fact where I live it isn't just asus, a lot of popular brand laptops have as confusing product names as they get and very frequently you can't even know the exact configuration of the laptop you are about to buy. They may be two laptops with the same product name, the same CPU and memory and different displays and the only way to know what displays they have is in-person. Yikes.
It's great for old Dell towers that don't have an extra power cable for the GPU. Motherboard could power the 70 watt GPU without any extra power up an upgraded psu... Last Nvidia GPU that did this was a 1650
Man. Back in the day, I fell for the Geforce 4 MX scam. When youngling me found out he couldn't play Deus Ex: Invisible War because there was no Pixel Shader 1.0 support, he was PISSED.
Everybody does that. Remember when Sony said "Vita means life" right before they supported said Vita with a single game before moving on and killing it? Xbox used to make sense with 360 "the all rounder" and Xbox One (All-In-One, see the reveal for that) but What's the difference between the One S, One X, Series S and Series X? also the new discless Series X called "Series X" not to be confused with the Series X of course. And what's the deal with the iPhone 14, iPhone 14 Pro, iPhone 14 Pro Max, and iPhone 14 Plus? I legit thought the Galaxy Z Flip and Galaxy Z Fold were the same thing until I researched the difference. (You shouldn't have to do that, the difference between a Galaxy S4 and S5 should be obvious by the name) AMD names are the least egregious, you know what a 5400G is over a 5500U because they at least specify that, even if the naming scheme itself is whack. USB 3.0 isn't even the third USB version. Samsung released several TVs this year, including the LS03D(65") LS03D(85") LS03D(Art Mode + QLED) LS03D(OLED) LS03D(AmoLED) and LS03D, tell me the difference between the LS03D, LS03D, LS03D, LS03D, LS03D and LS03D and I will give you a medal, a harvard degree and pet unicorn.
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker USB 3.0 is the third version because USB 1.0 does not exist, it's a figment of imagination, it did not work, the spec was not implementable. The first USB version was 1.1, and second 2.0. Also it doesn't matter, there are allowed to be intermediate versions when you use a dot numbering convention, it's just common sense. But yeah all companies need to face some sort of repercussion for misleading model naming or numbering. Just because seemingly everyone does it doesn't mean we as a society need to welcome that.
@@SianaGearz Intermediate versions make sense, but that's not all there were for it. USB 1.0 (1996), USB 1.1(1998), USB type B(printers), Mini USB(A), Mini USB(B), Mini USB(C), USB 2.0 (seventh revision) There were many types before the second. It's like how Square Enix is currently on the second of three new versions of Final Fantasy VII despite the fact Final Fantasy XVI already exists. USB is the Final Fantasy of hardware naming schemes.
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker the USB naming scheme is WAY worse than that, they have renamed the same speed as 3.0/3.1/3.2 Gen 1 in a relatively short timespan, then they doubled down with stuff like 3.2 Gen 2x2 and as if that wasn't enough USB 4.0 can be either 20 Gbps or 40 Gbps and they have the same name, I can't wait to see what they do for 80 Gbps and above
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker Most of the connectors were defined in optional supplementary notices since they were not necessary for device to implement the corresponding USB standard, which is primarily electrical and logical. Also in supplementary notices were other optional features like OTG, Charging and (vehicle) Accessory. On USB major versions 2 and 3, signalling was overhauled with new modes being introduced (HighSpeed and SuperSpeed respectively) and new Classes being defined. Before version 4, the versioning made decent sense, but since then, good bloody luck. Many of the supplementary notices barely exist on paper and weren't relevant in physical reality. Like, by the time OTG semiconductors were actually available, this functionality got folded into Micro B connector, early obsoleting miniature A and AB variants. Also you're forgetting how old USB 2.0 is. The spec was published in 2000. Mini, Micro etc connectors were defined after and against the 2.0 spec. What i did find iffy for a while were many devices advertising "USB 2.0" and implying speediness while implementing only FullSpeed signalling which was already defined in USB 1.x. But they did have USB 2.0 extended descriptors. So both a lie and a truth. Some USB 2.0 Classes even only foresee FullSpeed signalling to begin with, no HighSpeed support, because that's what made sense.
At this point, it's safer to buy a GPU on the used market, as the past owner will know more about the GPU than you can learn about it by looking at a shelf in a store
@@LowBudgetGamer-o6l If you bought it from a hobbyist who did this on his lunchbreak, sure. But every miner with a large enough operation had undervolted the core like crazy ('cause it's barely used for mining) and underclocked the mem to hit a sweetspot in term of efficiency. So you have way better odds by bying to those people who used their cards 24/7, than from a guy who used it 5 hours a day at 100%
@@LowBudgetGamer-o6l just meet in person and check if they actually do work, that's the only way for me personally, if I'm buying a used one. Nothing wrong with the GPUs outta mining if the guy kept them clean, etc
@@nicejungle Tell that Volkswagen about lying about the emissions of their cars. VW had to pay billions of Euros for that and was basically in saving mode for several years.
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@@sMv-Afjal No, a version of the rtx 4070 with slightly different memory. Now it's 480 tb/s instead of 502 so that's not much different. It's a different technology of memory, gddr 6 instead of gddr 6x. It might be faster overall because it has the same power budget and the new kind of memory is lower power.
@@TheMenaceOfMidladderDecks Then label is as a slower version card. Its easily avoidable, but they didn't do it. Or better yet don't release the GDDR6 card at all and wait for the shortage to be over. You lose sales, sure, but you will look less shady by doing so!
Well, people watch and read the test of new super sport cars, but they buy a used mini-van. And most people won't check if the engine from a 2014 model is equal to the engine of the 2016 model. Or if the trunk is the same size. Some people will check that, but many people won't check all that stuff. They just look at the budget and if the product in general meets the requirements. A buyer of a cheap GPU often cares about connectivity, if it fits the case without much effort, etc.
This actually happened to me when I bought a laptop back then on 2013, being unaware that there are 2 very different version of GT 740M. One is the old version which houses 128-bit of memory bus, GK107 chip and lower base clock of 810MHz, and the other "GT 740M" which houses ONLY 64-bit of memory bus, a very different GK208 chip, and higher base clock of 980MHz. Despite that higher base clock, it means nothing as it got entirely different chip inside, thus it is significantly weaker than the OG 740M. Sadly back then, I got this weaker GK208 version, and it's only as good as Intel HD itself, useless in a lot of things that normal GT 740M should've been able to handle. It can't even reach 10FPS on GTA V at lowest while the OG 740M still manage to at least got 30 FPS on high.
I wouldn’t even mind them doing this if they just offered them in low profile variants. Hiding the specs is a dirty practice. If you’re going to take performance away you need to create a form factor that’s different.
@@nathangamble125 "Variants", plural? Yeston's is the only one I'm aware of, and that frankly barely counts as a real company. (And it can only be bought from their own website.)
i don't understand why GPU prices are so damn high compared to a few years ago. Like why is everyone paying this insanely high prices? can we please stop doing that. Thanks
Too many people with too much money so it doesn't make sense to drop the prices. Also, way too many people purchase new Nvidia cards instead of AMD cards and as a result, there's zero pressure for Nvidia to drop prices.
idk man, i just bought the 3050 6GB because it's LP and doesn't need extra power. also it's cheap and it's the only card that's somewhat new that would fit in that small ass case that i have. no regrets.
Problem is: people keep buying mostly NVIDIA. And so NVIDIA's wallet says "Yep! We can do this! Doesn't matter" and so that's what they do. As long as consumers don't change their purchasing behavior and give NVIDIA more pressure, they won't change.
when the customer says "my son or daughter wants a gaming pc" the sales reptile gets the priciest piece of shit he can't get rid of and they throw it together, pc journos get sponsored, etc. this is a much bigger problem
I am not defending nvidia , on that scenario I don't think even nvidia know it is a scam game to be honest. nobody know it is scam game until it released aside game developer
Three problems here. First Nvidia never renamed it to 3050 8GB, second it's illogical to expect that all creators would do the same and third it's unreasonable to expect LTT to keep up with name changes for every single product they review.
It's funny because they can just use the last digit in their numbering system if the name's being too long is their concern; ie: RTX 3050 for the original and RTX 3045 for the downgrade or RTX 3055 for the upgrade
4:18 But you are missing a point most people will be likely to watch a video for expansive gpu than cheep one. when new flagship gpu is released there alot people will be interested in the gpu even if they are not in market to buy gpu while in opposite the low end gpu , mostly will be looked at from the people who actually want to buy it . I am in the end completely agreeing with Linus , but i think this point isn’t completely correct .
@@alias6365 you literally edited the comment. You're original comment read "But you are missing a point most people will be likely to watch a video for expansive gpu than cheep one"
It really sucks that corporations can just do that to us, consumers, and get away with it. Thankfuly there are people like you who bring the knowledge to the consumers ❤
don't forget the GTX 970 where Nvidia lost a lawsuit for falsely advertising it as a 4gb card when it was really 3.5gb..... how can they get away with this, but not that???
Let's call it what it is: A SCAM.... It's like buying a Ferrari but when you lift the hood and look at the engine, it's got a 3 cylinder 1 litre engine instead of the 5 litre V12 you were expecting..... a scam....
As if it wasn't already confusing before, this absolutely sucks. I worked at a semiconductor manufacturing plant before. I can understand why they segment and salvage some dies as it makes sense to be economical and make use of something that can still work but for lower tier products if they underperform functional and parametric tests (which may or may not indicate physical die issues). Think of the i3, i5, i7, and i9 Intel chips as an example (not my IRL job, only for analogy's sake). The dies would be the same structurally. However, along the long manufacturing process, some of the dies would fail i9 and i7 tests but pass i5 and i3 standards. They would be "binned" or sorted accordingly. Sometimes, we even had to purposefully sort i5 chips into i3 if there was more demand for it just to fulfill orders. There were some chips that were only renames with additional tests too but basically the same structurally. The opposite happens too where the same chip is tested with less or looser coverage and that is sold as a different product altogether. Naturally, if the yield of higher end dies are lower, they would struggle to keep up with demand. From NVIDIA's side, it seems they have a tougher time sorting the products into their existing product categories whereby the supposedly 3080 chip does not quite meet the standards of its target yet is a bit above a 3050 but less than 3060. Knowing the price difference is larger if they tag it at 3050, they're just likely minimizing loss or maximizing and salvaging whatever profit they could gain. Thus, they end up creating a weaker 3060 variant overall. Long story short, this is not new to semiconductor manufacturing. It's just that these modern processing units are so complex and expensive to build that I get it why they want to salvage whatever they can. On the part of the consumers, however, it really is a pain if companies can't make it easier to manage expectations on performance and price associated with a product name or product tiers.
3:40 reminds me of when I was young working in a PC shop, trying to upsell a customer on a speaker set that is exponentially better than the cheapest available speaker set at around 1.2* the cost of the cheapest (the price difference wouldn't even be 2 Canadian rubles), but the client said "It doesn't matter, It's for my dad".
It's a mindset thing. People buy the Ryzen 5600x over the 5600 because they want the X, and they buy the 5600 over the 5500 because they want the 6, and there's no Ryzen 5400 because nobody wants a 4. They couldn't call it the 3040, nor the RT 3050 because people want the X, and they at least want the 5, but they didn't launch the 3050 8gb as the 3050 Ti, so 6gb seems like the best choice. They couldn't even call it 3050 LP because that would have been understood as low profile. 3050L maybe could have worked. I have a 3060 8gb. It's perfectly fine.
It's actually not just shady behavior, it's highly against any consumer regulations.
I am totally confused why they don't get a big lawsuit thrown at them.
Who will bring forth the lawsuit? The consumer authorities won’t because theyre probably invested in the company or earning favours from the company.
At most they get a multi million dollar fine, when they’re earning billions.
Pray tell, which consumer regulations (sic, rights) are being abused here?
The US senate and congress are both owned ans run by corporations. There will be no consumer protection while that corruption remains.
Lol, in America, all the politicians insider traded their stocks and made millions, so I know they won't come after them.
@@justinreynolds6318 Thank you for bringing the smart question. I wish people were half as quick to ask for that as they are to invent conspiracy theories.
Same thing has been happening to the 3050 laptop for years too. If I recall, the 4GB 3050 has 2 versions with different CUDA core amounts, and then a newer 6GB version that has the same CUDA cores as the 3050 Ti 🤔
That's a yikes! I don't pay as close attention to the laptop segment as you and didn't know that one - LS
@@LinusTechTips @JarrodsTech, you can also consider all the shenanigans with the max-q thing with the 30xx laptop with different performance depending on the TDP... or even this last 2 years with the 40xx laptop where for instance, Asus put a 4090 inside their G16 2024 but it's a castrated 115w version.. (yeah I know not necessarily nVidia's fault here).
Anyway Laptops selection those last 2 years is a minefield : all the 4070, 4060, 4050 are basically useless when the laptop manufacturer is using 16:10, 1600p with sh1tty 6 or 8gb vram. 4080 is barrely acceptable (D4 with high details 1600p is almost eating all the vram in this case for instance)...
And with the 4090 full 175w, you'll end up having at least a 2,5kg laptop with a 330w power brick (yeah now we got GaN power brick but it's barely better) just to end up having a GPU that barely deserve the xx90 name...
I also think that a lot of laptop manufacturer ended up cutting the corners because of the increase in the price of the 40xx, just like Lenovo did with the Legion 7i pro...
But as long as they don't have a serious competitor, they will have a boulevard to continue their stupidities.
Edit : sorry LTT ended up talking about those details at 9:42
@@JarrodsTech I have the 3050 model 4gb with 16gb ram, but I play the steam deck way more somehow. I do want to get a new laptop with a 4050 6gb…or wait till January and see some drops on 4080 with 8gb.
The new laptop 6GB version sounds like a fair trade, same as the desktop 2060 12GB which had 2060Super cuda core count.
@@lharsay The new 6GB 3050 mobile version is the one they should have released originally. The original mobile 3050 was always heavily bottlenecked by 4GB of vram. The chip itself was reasonably fast, but 4GB of vram just wasn't enough for anything other than low settings in most cases.
Nasty. They are copying what perfume manufacturers do. They release a fragrance then a year or two later water it down and keep the same name.
no perf makers just have chemical dross. its not watered down - its just junk. the orig perfumes were mega strong because people smelled like crap. since those times they dialled it back a bit. Also heavy smokers cant smell as good either and less people smoke now too.
Just so you know, I never water down my farts.
I'm still waiting for more tutorials from you.
@@WarkWarbly i do, but not on purpose..
the same happens in cars.
A brand new car model has bugs that are ironed out in like 1-2 years, and as the car approaches the last years of it's life, the car makers use the cheapest parts possible, from secondary or tertiary parts suppliers and watered down formulae for the plastic composite panels.
That is how they make even more profits, by selling the same cars, with higher prices but also lower quality and lower manufacturing cost.
This is why you hear their profit margins goingf up year after year in their reports, but in main media headlines they are whinning and bishing about poor profits, trying to cover up their practices.
Not a new thing at all, this is decades old practice.
Now they uncovered a new way to icnrease profits, by charging customers double for the same parts...subscription. You pay up the car , but they block functionality from parts so you pay again.
One aspect missed here: Buying OEM equipment or pre-built: Suppose you buy a PC pre built that claims to have an RTX 3080. Suppose you're trying to compare that for value for money with another PC builder. Good luck trying to figure out what you are *actually* getting.
"It has a 2070 in it!" What 2070? A 2070 4GB? a 2070 2GB? A 2070 Super? A 2070 Ti?
@@Thomogon Exactly, not to mention nerffed to high heaven with greatly reduced clock speeds.
Said sarcastically, you have to "love" laptop and device versions of GPUs and CPUs.... 🤣
imagine winning by such a margin and then still being a scumbag because you don't know any other way
NVIDIA is BETTER in every way! They are CHEAPER, more PERFORMANCE and more energy EFFICIENT. AMD is the one whos behind
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP how much they paying you? Because doing this for free is very pathetic
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP ironically ur wrong in almost every way lmao
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP what? At most price points amd offers more value for the consumer. For example just compare the rx 6650 xt for the 3050 at the same price.
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP Nvidia and Cheaper shouldn't be placed in the same sentence.
This is why I'm super OCD about researching EVERY tech thing I buy. You just can't trust any corporation to not be evil, because if given a chance, they most certainly will be.
Ya remember "don't be evil"? haha ☠
This exactly.
It took me about 5 months of research, customer reviews, and price shopping just to throw 11 parts into a box that I call a PC
@@happenstancially4132 I've been there many times. And It's bloody exhausting.
@@Garfield91076 Yup! Such a joke, eh?
@@happenstancially4132 happened with me on the 10850k for 100 mhz less I saved 100 bucks and a cooler cpu
Whelp, they got me. I bought my daughter a 3050 6 gig based on some reddit posts. Didn't realize at all there were another "3050" had been released. Luckily it's fine for what she uses it for, but I still feel deceived.
I don't know why he went into the diversion about advice from big box store employees. It's exactly situations like yours which show how bad it is.
@@remowilliams564 it’s basically just fraud
It’s not a store-workers job to keep every scam by giant monopolistic companies in mind.
If your product is basically falsely advertised on the package it’s certainly 100% solely the producers fault
It’s still a perfectly solid card, just given a deliberately stupid name.
@@doesitgame Not if you can get 15% more performance by adding 20$ to the purchase...
@@doesitgame As a 3040, then you would know what you are getting. The last graphics card I bought was a GT730, which I knew wasn’t going to win any speed records, but uses a single pci-e lane, is bus powered, passively cooled, and perfectly adequate for outputting a command prompt to an HDMI monitor.
The lack of transparency and consistency in naming from Nvidia is causing confusion for consumers. It's unfair to those trying to make an informed decision about what they're buying.
Goal unlocked.
Remember the GTX 1070 ti? This was basically a 1080 with a tiny bit of decreased clock speed. But seemingly enough for them to not sell it as a 1080. And now they sell way worse variants of their GPUs under the same name.
And then they made the amazing GTX1080 Ti which people kept for a long time prompting NVidia to say "why did we make a great product?"
@@wandregalbjornson1452 It's even worse than what you're saying. They had a agreement with AIBs where they weren't allowed to release any overclocked 1070 ti models just to artificially create a bigger difference during reviews.
Remember though that in the same generation they sold a cut down 1060 as "1060 3GB" even though the chip on it was 75% of the performance of a full sized 1060 6GB
@@wandregalbjornson1452 It was technically a different GPU. Had less CUDA cores and GDDR5 memory instead of the GDDR5X in the 1080.
NVIDIA didn't allow it to be overclocked out of the box just cause it performed better than a stock 1080 when it was.
@@xFluing AT LEAST they named them differently, but it is still shady that the VRAM was not the only difference between the two.
860M (Kepler) vs. 860M (Maxwell) is another example.
or the 750 ti well it's not the same case but it's build on maxwell architecture
It goes back to their origins even. There was a Riva "TNT 2", even before they released their GeForce brand, with a cut-down memory bitwidth, from 128 bits to 64 bits. They have been doing this since their inception.
I actually preferred when they had the M designator for mobile GPUs, at least you knew what you were getting into more easily.
@@luisjalabert8366 oh i remember that card. Riva TNT 2 m64. a garbage product
@@luisjalabert8366 I still remember this. The M64 variant of TNT2
Nvidia should have called it the 3040
Or 3030
3010 Elite-Budget
NVIDIA is BETTER in every way! They are CHEAPER, more PERFORMANCE and more energy EFFICIENT. AMD is the one whos behind
RT 3030
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP bro wtf
In the UK, we have the advertisement standards agency, and if they can be shown to be misleading on their products, they have the power to force any company to change their advertising.
"Shrinkflation" The price is kept, but the content is reduced in either quality or quantity.
Correction: Enshittification
@@milasudril It's a nice spin on words, but it's just still inflation. Less product for your money as before. So yes, your money is still becoming less valueable, so, inflation it is.
Shrinkflation is a word to dumb it down and mislead the people for what it is. Don't use it. Refuse to use it.
But that implies the labeling clearly spell out some kind of measurable quantity on the packaging that can then be stood up against an offered price.
You can see how annoying the gasoline engine performance efficiency arithmetics can become, and that's only with 2 reported numbers. What will get reported (remember that lawyers will get involved with locking in what these numbers count) for equipment that the market (and its lawyers) expects to be used for only spreadsheets and email, not what a sliver of the wants to use for enthusiast entertainment?
Or both ;)
Executives are idiots, they don't like money
This is a legitimate issue. I told a friend that the 1060 was a solid value, and a month later I asked how he was getting on. His framerates weren’t what I was expecting, so I asked a bit further. Turns out he’d bought the 3gig 1060, not the 6gig. I hadn’t even known the 3gig existed prior to that. You can bet I pay a bit more attention to nvidia’s shenanigans since then.
lol, not only nvidia but amd too with my rx 580 4gb, i know that they had 8gb version back then but still buy 4gb version because its cheaper and my games doesnt need more than 3gb of vram (ultra settings). i am grateful that their performance are close.
I knew about it as my older brother who's an Nvidia fan was looking at a graphics card for my nephew. Back in 2016 it was a matter of the 1060 is a little faster and more efficient than the 480 but only if you got the 6gb version.
If you had only 3gb you would lose a lot of performance in games at the time that wanted a little over 3gb, something that wasn't a problem on the similarly priced and more capable 480.
Not only that, the GPU has less cores on the 3GB variant, at least AMD called their cut down card a 470.
I hate to say it but I’ve made the same “mistake” on my own pc with this exact 3050 6gb following a friend’s advice
@@yami7271 But that is the difference. If they labelled the 2 different versions and the performance and memory bus width is the same between the two, just different VRAM, then there is absolutely no problem. The difference is clearly labelled. Nvidia intentionally cuts down cards even further to make more profit such that even in applications where the VRAM capacity is less than the lower memory version, the performance is wildly different.
i actually got the 1060 3gb for half the price of the 6gb one so i went for the 3gb one lol
nvidia need to stop charging ridiculous prices that’s what 😭
If they work fine, the price can be whatever they like. I tried to save money path, bought an 7700XT and ended up with a card that has coil whine and loud fans
Actually, consumers need to stop paying those prices. Eveything is the consumers' fault.
@@Ladioz Undervolt it, I did it with my 6900XT
Brucse yall buy and hating on thireon th3 cheap intel arc
5380n/ 780 can 80 fps in cyberpunk, and more
Actually I personally don't like 2 companies for this-
1)nvidea
2)APPLE ☹️
The funniest example is GT 730. There where 3 versions and they weren't even using the same architecture. One was Kepler and two where Fermi. The performance difference between those models could exceed 100%. Because the bus was also changing from 64bit to 128bit.
Nvidia had : GT 730 "Kepler" with GDDR5 64-bit, another GT 730 "kepler" with 64bit DDR3, and GT 730 "Fermi" with 128bit GDDR3.
@@stixia And because it was Nvidia and GT 730 low end, NO TECH CHANNEL EVER QUESTIONED NVIDIA'S PRACTICES. if it was AMD..... the memes would be coming even today....
What's criminal is in budget end people will count their last penny to pick a HW spec that e.g. just breaks over 30FPS for some game they love. And a 10..20% decrease will leave them with unusable hardware and no money.
Yup, not even only break 30FPS, they're already on the higher end consumers if they can buy anything somewhat modern - so they essentially straight up scam people that already can't really afford a higher end card but still want an experience where they don't have to change everything in the config to get it to run.
It's really weird to scam people out of cash that already pay you what they can spare.
I already thought energy efficency, ease of use & the lack of power efficent modern GPUs is part of why most people play on console, but this just gives it another huge bump as to why budget players should stick to consoles.
@@Unknown_Genius I get what you mean, but consoles still don't let you easily customize them, so they're still unattractive to a budget gamer such as myself. I know I'm in the minority though, the market isn't aimed at me, and I'm actually happy tweaking out greater performance out of my setup, it's part of the adventure, I just wish naming conventions weren't part of that adventuring uncertainty.
@@Cyromantik Yup, the issue here isn't the market not being aimed at people, but people specifically being deceived which may lead to people rather switching to console instead of ever building a budget PC again after it happened once, especially if they saved up a lot to have a higher end budget card for once.
At least I do imagine that someone who bought parts for like 300€ (this card included) may just think about better spending that money for e.g. a Series S the next time around, especially if they upgrade from some older gen budget cards like the 1650 and expect... well, more than like a 35% speed increase after 5 years - or depending on the game an increase in like 5-15 FPS. At that point I'd (personally) just go get a console given that I'll at least know that games will run and I'm not throwing my money out for absolutely nothing.
Ironically enough you'd have a PC that has almost the same performance + a console as well at that point.
Most crazy part imo is that the 3070 essentially is close to be a mid range GPU at this point, yet they decided "Why not release a slightly better 1650?" somehow.
Funnily enough I had more budget builds (not entirely lowend) myself for years, and for me it was always a fest to upgrade after ~4 years, because usually you had some games already that didn't run without tinkering with them, and after the upgrade they were just playable - and if I hadn't bought a more expensive one, I might have even fallen in this trap myself as it'd have been time to upgrade around now and possibly not noticed that I'm watching the wrong review.
A lot of people could afford top end but buy mid range because they don't need more.
And people who saved pocked money for a year to buy a new graphics card tends to dig reviews a lot at least from my experience.
Well I don't have enough money but when it comes to buying something I spend a lot. For example if I need a gaming pc I'll but a very good one but it will come at cost of loan, kidney or eating 1 $ meal/day or two days. I once bought a laptop saving for 6 years and I regret it , a lot of reviews and people , I saw they got better laptop than mine at same price or even lower , can't get that out of my head. I emptied one of my bank savings for it lol. I also tend to buy a good phone , but I always buy things I can only afford if I cut on meals , risk insurance or take loan or do two jobs and some risky finance . I don't know why but I don't buy cheap stuff even if it means to risk my college fees or potentially endanger me if something happens , I guess I really do want to spend money only if it's worth it . That's why these misleading numbers will hurt me badly . If I spend a lot of money on a pc to realize it's not worth it, I'm going to off myself. Already sad about my " laptop " which cost 800$ but only 8Gb DDR5 and , Ryzen 5 , 3050Ti 4GB
You can get at 500$ 16GB DDR4 , and even some 1650 at 6GB... really wrongest decision of my life considering I don't have money to buy any new clothes or repair anything if broken for a while lol.
I remember a few years ago wanting to buy a Titan Xp, but there are two versions of it! There's the Titan X Pascal (often shortened to Titan Xp) which is essentially a 1080Ti and then there's the Titan Xp which is like a Quadro P6000 but with half the VRAM and performs better than the other Titan Xp. They even look identical. I eventually gave up on trying to buy one because the naming was just too confusing.
I actually had no idea what the difference was between the 2 Titan XPs. I knew there were 2 tho
IIRC Nvidia never marketed the Pascal GPU as XP. This was a name the community made up. They should maybe have been aware of this before using that name for something else, but it's not 100% on them.
The solution is to upgrade your gpu every 10 years when you have finally saved up enough money to buy the highest performing gpu on the market .
The Titan X situation was so much worse. It's actually a russian doll case of misleading marketing. Nvidia initially released the Titan X, which was a Maxwell card comprised of the full fat GM102 die and 12GB of RAM, basically a GTX 980ti with double the memory and a 10~15% performance boost. Then they released the Titan X. Literally the exact same name, but this time a card comprised of an almost full fat GP102 die and 12GB of RAM, basically a GTX 1080ti with a slight performance boost and an extra 1GB of RAM. This REALLY annoyed the community, so they called it the Titan Xp since the two cards were in completely different performance classes, like the pascal version was very nearly twice as fast in some case. THEN Nvidia released an ACTUAL Titan Xp, which WAS the full fat GP102 die with slightly faster 12GB of RAM, giving about a 10% improvement over the last card, but the name basically made it impossible to call it anything that wouldn't confuse anyone. Call it the Titan Xp and you're going to confuse people in reviews because that's what people were already calling the last card in reviews, but it's not what you see on the shelf. Call it the Titan Xpp so that people don't get confused by reviews and you confuse them when they get to the shelf. In retrospect, people now call them Titan X Maxwell, Titan X Pascal, and Titan Xp, but the damage has already been done. Tinfoil hat, I think they did it on purpose to implicitly tell reviewers to never make up names for their products.
When I walked into Microcenter during the fiasco, I saw so many open box titan cards, especially the Maxwell ones. The thing that shocked me the most was that Nvidia ever dared to screw with their enthusiast buyers, but I probably should've taken it as a hint that their enthusiast buyers were now in the enterprise space and we didn't matter anymore to them.
@@danwhite3224 I remember calling one of the Titan XP’s the “Titan X little p” and the Titan X big P” to differentiate between them.
Infuriating.
Nvidia has NEVER put out a "new" card with the same name/model as an older card while actually being BETTER and FASTER. It's always worse and slower, and that says it all.
Well they did do that EVGA 2060KO card that performed better in production workloads if I recall correctly.
They didn't do it on purpose. But it was a cut down 2080 maybe a 2070. I don't remember. Had some good gains on those workloads.
Then AMD had that Zen 2 CPU that was labeled as a Zen1 part. I can't remember the exact SKU. 1600F or something like that.
But yeah. 99.99999 percent they do this to purposely deceive and abuse consumers. But maybe once in our entire lifetime it goes the other way!
Its called "bait and switch", its a dark pattern and I am amazed anyone will argue its legal.
GTX260 later model was faster... 216 vs 192 cores..
@@albundy06 But the KO was technically an EVGA card wasn't it? Sure Nvidia approved it, but it was EVGA who did all the heavy lifting integrating it into their own product stack using the so to say unofficial KO naming!
I think it's more of a modern thing, in the past card refreshes used to be the same or slightly better. I think at some point they realized they could get away with just making it cheaper/worse.
I recently ran into this exact scummy behavior from Lenovo. I was looking at the Intel version of the ThinkPad P14s G5, and thought "wait.. AMD chips are supposedly better this generation, aren't they?". I nearly bought the AMD version of the same ThinkPad P14s G5 when I realized that while the Intel variant is made of aluminum, the AMD version is just plastic.
I can totally see someone getting a recommendation from a friend who has the Intel version, hearing that AMD chips have a better iGPU, and deciding to go with AMD just for that, and only realizing that the full aluminum laptop their friend has isn't ehat they got, despite being named exactly the same.
I'm pretty sure it's Intel strongarming OEMs to downgrade AMD laptops so they stay looking like a cheap inferior brand. It's not recent behavior.
Definitely an Intel shady deal.
Same reasons why ASUS Zephyrus G16s with Intel go up to 4090s, and AMD variants cap at 4070s.
Or Lenovo Brands Legions 7i (Intel) and 9i (intel) as more premium than AMD offerings.
Legion 5 pros series got G-sync and advanced Optimus only on Intel in 2022
List goes on. Lots of shady business behind the scenes.
metal, ew
I kid you not. I was just looking at parts picker this afternoon to plan my next build and I mistakenly selected the 3060 8GB. I didn't even realize 8 GB existed. I saw a few benchmarks and though this would fit my needs. No I am unravelling. This video couldn't have come at a more perfect time for me. Literally.
@@MrBizaaro I've had a 3060 8gb for a couple of years now and only just discovered this
It should be illegal to do this. There is absolutely no excuse. We have no problem cutting down or modifying once it comes with appropriate name change that clearly reflects the change.
It is illegal, it's just that consumer protection agencies won't do jack against companies engaging in this and the prices are still small enough that at most you could take Nvidia to small claims court and win - and that's not worth anybodies time.
I think calling lies, and deceit and even scams just 'shady behaviour' is too respectful for a corporation like Nvdia.
Also, there is absolutely no point in saying a market leader has a 'responsibility' to be better. They are not a person with morals, they are a corporation, and will not change unless forced to.
You can't be sued for saying "Shady Behavior" you can be sued for Lies, deceit, etc.... And even if you prove it in court, it cost you an absurd amount of money.
Rtx3050. Shady edition. With more "shades" than before
I work part time as a salesman in a big Greek brand and this video game right on time. This week I had a customer that had been offered a laptop with a 4070 in it. As we were building a comparable in specs with a cut in price PC. I pushed for a 4060Ti to stay in budget and because his gaming didn't need anything more substantial than that for many years to come. He argued that the laptop was a better deal because of the 4070 (which btw run on 80W) while my pc had worse specs.
His surprise when I pulled up comparisons and graphs showing the superiority of the 4060Ti was immense.
Nvidia really confuses the customers maliciously to the point where even if you are tech savvy, its sometimes better to not say anything to avoid conflict with customers.
What on Earth are you talking about? There´s nothing confusing, one is a laptop GPU which of course will have cut down performance and the other is a desktop one.
The graphics card is trash. But people who have no idea will think 16GB is better than 12GB like the 4070. They won't understand that it only has a 128-bit bus. Basically, laypeople are being scammed. Even the 3070 with 8GB is better than the 4060ti with 16GB in wqhd gaming.
10:35 THATS why he's the best in the biz folks
Aren't there supposed to be laws about properly labelling what you're selling? You can't sell an orange and say it's an apple.
There are laws for plenty of things, but there's more money than there are laws.
Someone has to actually enforce it in court
If USB naming is legal, anything is legal.
Lina Khan will probably eventually get to Nvidia -- whether on the AI front or consumer
They’d probably beat that particular claim in court because that’s the only GPU titled “3050 6GB”. It’s “scammy”, but I’m pretty sure it’s not technically a scam.
Their worst offenders are the GT series. Throughout so many years, they've kept the same name for certain GT series and then just built them on a completely different manufacturing node while changing around memory spec, memory amount, and bus width.
i remember the stinky kepler and fermi variants of the 730
1030 DDR4🙈🙊🙉
They pulled this exact stunt on the 1030 two gens ago. There was a 1030 with GDDR5 VRAM which is fine and one with DDR4 VRAM. And the only way to tell was to sift through the spec sheet or closely inspect the packaging.
The performamce difference was ~40% between the two.
The RX 6600 costs around the same and is miles ahead, so yes it is bad compared to what you can have in that price range.
It’s gone
Expecting to see some "b-b-but ray tracing!!! DLSS!!!!", but the 6600 is still faster anyway
The point was that it doesn't require PCIe power and the 6600 does. In that specific instance where that is needed, the 6600 is not an option. Anywhere else, I'm right with you.
@@yasu_red ray tracing on 3050 sounds very funny
@@phantoslayer9332 yeah, sucks to see
It's like all the big tech companies are fighting to get the most hate from customers right now.
It's a race to the bottom where everyone's hoping to pull back and lose at the last minute, because even if every single company is evil, we have to buy from somebody.
Dear friend @@stevethepocket
I dot not buy any graphics card from "nvidia/amd/intel" trio since 2015.
They do not compete, but only "fix prices" against you and me.
I (still) got R9 380 (4 GB) from 2015 and not gonna waste any penny until the I see market returns to normality.
Good luck with rigging the market with price fixing crime.
People have no more the purchasing power and abuse of "nvidia/amd/intel" trio is at "enough is enough" limit.
@@ozanozkirmizi47 Good for you. I do 3D model work and I'd have to buy a card to get my job done.
Dear friend@@re57k
Ok...
LOL so this^.
Can we all just talk about the legendary 0.34% of people using graphics processors that aren't from nvidia,amd, or intel
I mean there's still enthusiasts using 3dfx voodoos and playing quake 1 and shit. Also didn't china put out a card last year that has the performance of a 1060 3 GB or something? Pretty impressive considering how far behind they used to be
Arm and china graphic cards
I can't even name one
probably virtual machines that don't identify the host system's gpu
Apple
9:24 That's fine. Change the name slightly. GTX 661, GTX 665, GTX 660X, GTX 660a... or ANYTHING else that differentiates. Unacceptable, but classic corporate greed.
Someone sue this companies on naming schemes already
That would almost never work out, nvidia can calm that "you didn't do your research," and the case is closed. Expect maybe the new 4070 that has no label what so ever. And then it would only be like $15 or a game worth $15
Doubt it will happen anywhere outside of the EU, speaking of which the European Commission ought to take a look at this
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NVIDIA is BETTER in every way! They are CHEAPER, more PERFORMANCE and more energy EFFICIENT. AMD is the one whos behind
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP bot
If consumers keep buying then Nvidia keeps shafting...
not enough upvotes, means everyone will still keep giving nvidia money
But the majority of people just don't know any better, unfortunately. Hence why this video was made.
doesnt matter.
gaming consumers arent the target
@@TheKutia Doesn't matter who their target is as long as they get a hit.
@@TheKutia Given that the majority of people play games with those cards:
Yes, yes they are.
And most already dont know how it all works because they don't have the time to really check on stuff, so I take the guess that their main idea is to also confuse those that help them but also got a life going & sales people, so they end up with selling customers worse products.
I personally know quite a few people that don't know, they just put out cash and want to buy the best available (or the best in a certain range), so this is pretty much targetted at them - and I doubt anyone would listen to someone telling them to not take another prebuilt PC/Laptop than recommended that's being sold a bit cheaper because the same named card in it is most likely going to be worse - properly explaining that takes a longer time than they either got available or are willing to spare.
the "6GB" and "GDDR6" example is why i hate the Ti and XT sublabels instead of a number change, because search engines will disregard a small search term if a better match for everything else fits better.
RX 7600 XT < RX 7650
RTX 3050 6GB < RTX 3040
same goes for the high end, Ti Super and XTX are longer and seem to stick around a little more, but 4075 and 7970 still work better.
You need to learn what quotes are for on a search term.
the sad thing is with retail (and especially best buy) nowadays is that they'll fire the tech savvy sales reps because of old and grizzled vets aren't getting a good compensation amount. Saw it happen in person and also happened to me too. its why a couple of buddies I worked with and I made signs right outside the BestBuy we worked at letting usuals know I and others were fired and we could personally help with a google voice numbers to each of us. This best buy has since closed due to lack of sales and traffic.
Oh look they made the 3050 mobile on desktop
Believing that corporations should set a good example is like wishing on a star. You either force them to do things the right way by passing legislation(and good look with that!), or just sit and cry about it. They literally could not care less, they will keep shoveling you the same shit forever. Voting with your dollar is fuckin' useless if most of the people buying don't know any better and aren't interested or can't be bothered to know any better. Time to start thinking bigger
Voting with your wallet isn't just pointless but somewhat impossible here. I dislike Nvidia's practices but nobody else is selling what I need. There's AMD but it doesn't support a couple of features I need and even if I was willing to put up with that, they are as sinful in naming things so not much point.
And I'm not buying battle mage, sorry.
@@pafnutiytheartistwhat couple of futures exactly? Ray tracing?
Except corporations aren't any more evil than any other organization. They are composed of people who get distracted, go with the flow, forget their basic values etc and the sad thing is that it's not any different in government or even many charities and nonprofits.
Yah, it's bad and awful but there just isn't that much that can be done at a larger scale. Bring government into it and sometimes you get some useful labeling or standards but often you get red tape that companies can use to keep competitors from entering the market.
And then you sometimes get the truly horrific labeling laws like those requiring GMO warnings -- in effect tricking people into thinking technology that can reduce costs and improve health around the world is awful.
In other words it's horrible but humans kinda suck so it's hard to do better than horrible.
It's a mixed bag, we have companies selling us time bomb controllers that will drift in months, while SEGA gave us hall effect sticks since the inception of sticks on SEGA hardware and everyone voted with their wallets against them. Now those same people complain about stick drift like it slaughtered their families.
Intel make cheap, and frankly underrated GPUs and yet everyone refuses to support them because NVidia's spicy lighting is slightly better, then they complain that GPUs are too expensive. (I daily drove an Arc A380 for a solid year and it was great on Windows 11 and Linux Mint/MX Linux. But people still brushed them off anyway)
People make poor decisions, and when they come back to bite them, they point fingers at everyone else. (like the time a 20 - 30 fps DVD player outdid the competent games consoles, and the rest of them took on that same "multimedia and casuals" approach that everyone hates today.) Until people realise how stupid it is to support bad things over the good ones because the bad one has one thing the others don't, they deserve the poor products they've paved the way for.
@@dominusdone5023 I do a lot of non-gaming stuff on GPU, iray renderer is Nvidia only and a lot of ai stuff work much more smoothly on cuda, especially on windows.
There is also the GT730 . There are 3 versions of those cards. Some use Fermi die, some use Kepler die. So damn confusing.
GF108, GK107 and GK208. There is also different memory configurations like DDR3 64bit, DDR3 128bit or GDDR5 64bit. Some are also advertised of having GDDR5 128bit
That's still shady but it's a budget GPU that no one will buy for the performance so it makes sense to recycle whatever they have on hand
@@n.g.5234 imagine the feeling when you buy GT730 and then you find out it is rebranded GT640 and after some digging around you realize it is same card that was first sold as GT545 ten years ago :D
1:50 I think that calling it 3050 6 GB makes an average consumer think that it's the same thing as 3050 8 GB except for the amount of VRAM. And that's not true. Calling it 3040 would have been much more honest. And that name would have been free! (Update: I see you mentioned the same thing later. Great work!)
It really is a nightmare trying to build a PC without knowing every single thing about every type of component.
I’ve been watching tech videos from many different channels for over 6 years, but when I decided to start building my first desktop I was lost. Felt like I knew absolutely nothing. Fortunately I have friends with far more knowledge than myself that helped me with the parts list. But if I didn’t, I feel like I would’ve been basically forced to buy a prebuilt, just to have hope the thing would work.
You can definitely build a functioning pc easily by yourself, but not getting scammed on overpriced models or dead-end platforms is the challenge.
meeh part picking is easy. Its not a laptop your buying🙂 I hated installing the cpu and learning all the small details in building.
@@RvB_Fan_since_8 it's true, my son was getting into computers and wanted to build one, I figured it'd be fun to build it with him, but he needed some guidance so I checked his homework ... I basically had to turn into a computer expert in 2 weeks to know exactly what I was spending my money on. Very easy to make a mistake if you put even a little trust into the manufacturer.
@@topspot4834
You can do EVERYTHING right and then still end up with a nightmare. Like getting an Intel 13th or 14th gen CPU only to have your system start crashing and you tear your hair out troubleshooting for months before you get wind of news that it's not your fault. That's assuming you even think to look at tech news.
first thing is first when building a PC
Choose your side....AMD or Intel
after that things easily fall into place, because you will be limiting which MOBOs are compatible, and on, and so on until your restraints are what physically fits in the case
Likely, this behaviour is illegal in Australia. Can't wait for someone to test that out in the courts. I might just send a message to the ACCC about it...
Even then its the hardware stores or the card/laptop partners (Asus, Dell etc) that will get stuck holding the refund claim... cause Nvidia doesn't directly to consumers.
@@boxhead6177 Good. Make it harder to get the box shops to even sell misleading nVidia kit...
Sales reps really don't know about what they sell most of the time. One time I was at Fry's electronics when it was still around, and overheard one of the sales guys trying to sell a GTX 980 to someone who just wanted a basic PC that might do light web-based gaming on occasion.
The funniest are 3 versions of the GT 730. With GDDR5, with GDDR3 and on the Fermi architecture. 1030 DDR4 is another disaster
6:25 - THEY DON'T CARE! Theyre making profit, they don't care about consumers. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT GAMERS, THEY'RE MAKING PROFIT.
Nvidia only care about AI, that's fine with me.
For gaming, there are game consoles.
They are in the empire business.
@@nicejunglei don't know if game consoles is the solution to the issue; rather Amd over nvidia
@@SpikeKastleman you're going to be so embarrassed when you sober up.
@@MrGts92man's got a point tho. Industry customers have deeper pockets. Part of why their consumer offerings suck more and more is to push anyone who needs more power into the enterprise bracket where they have to spend signifigiantly more money. And since there is no viable software tool chain outside of CUDA, everyone is forced to pay the higher prices.
8:27 - Of course they did. THEY DON'T CARE. They're making profit, that's all that matters to them. Screw consumers, profit is king.
Line go up, am I right
well, a business only stays alive and innovating if they are profiting, nobody works for free!
And nothing ever gets cheaper if theres nothing new ahead,
Shouldn't the video title of the old LTT video be updated to RTX 3050 8GB?
Yeah, but also no. The problem isn't the title of the video. It's Nvidia's shenanigans. Changing it would be shifting the responsibility. BTW: All these major companies suck at this naming scheme thing. With Nvidia it's purposely misleading, AMD and Intel are just confusing. Maybe deliberately.
@@YunusdemirNl99 actually no because while the name of the 3050 6GB is 3050 6GB, the name of the 3050 8GB is just 3050.
I'm sticking with my 2080 ti gigabyte Gaming OC card. I bought my graphics card at the beginning of 2021 and I don't really think an upgrade to the 40 series makes sense yet.
7:40 I am pretty sure that the writer just put this in the script because they wanted to have donuts
Maybe Steve from GN should shine a spotlight on some lawyers and launch an investigation on Nvidia to see if there's grounds for a class action lawsuit for essentially false advertising of a product.
at this point.. the only way to shop NVIDIA GPUs is to chart models to specs and give em nicknames, like “the 3060 thats really a 3050” and the “4070 thats really a 4080”
might as well name cards by their framerates on csgo, overwatch, and cyberpunk at 4k ultra graphics
4070 Super shoud be 4070, the 4070 Ti should be the real 4070 Super and the 4070 Ti Super should be the real 4070 Ti.
and remember, the RTX 4060 is a GPU with the bandwidth, vram and chip of a 4050, with the price and name of a 4060
Well I guess tomorrow is Monday, perfect day to call our EU representatives and talk with them about this issue. I bet they won't ignore couple billion in fines they could issue.
I mean look at what Apple is doing now. In the worst case scenario, they'd change the names only in EU, which is gonna make it more confusing.
lemme know how that goes lmaooo
@@sarpant and how did USB-c go? BTW. I spoke with couple already, answer was overal : "We were not aware of the situation. Very interesting, probably illegal. We will look into it".
@@user-cs9by8jd6l Apple hires lawyers too stupid to understand that EU law is based not only on pure text of the law but also on spirit of law. So they try to play like it is USA. They were forced to open the ecosystem for others, they made it really hard, were slapped across the face, they made it little easier but still too hard so new investigation started and they will be fined again.
what's usb-c wachu mean?
0:00 Thumbnail "Defenitely" is definitely spelt incorrectly...
I wonder if that's part of the humor because it looks like something Nvidia would do. This was probably done intentionally to make fun of Nvidia's product naming behavior (theme of the video).
@@osvaldosaez5689 Looks like a cirrus logic gd5446 to me.
@@osvaldosaez5689 It's been updated. It was clearly a mistake, not a joke
Honestly if the 3050-6GB was a RTX 3040 instead, it is actually very good for a PCI-E power card
That's exactly what was said on the video, congrats, you saw it like the rest of us.
or even a 3050 lite
@@Marauder-q2v The probably would not like Lite since it indicates it's a lower tier, or that they used the term for Lite/Light Hash Rate.
There's loads of alternative naming ideas if they actually wanted to show that they care. They could use SE - people could think it means Special Edition, but they could say Slimmed. Or 3050-X, 3050-FU, 3050-GD..whatever.
Any way of naming and differentiating them, even if confusing, is better than none.
Yep. I learned my lesson. Bought an ROG Strix 3080 10GB because it was "a bit cheaper" than the 12GB ones but my Gpu died somewhat near the gpu shortage end. It was both the first one to drop below 1k € AND amongst the best air cooled 3080s. I was jumping from joy when it arrived and disappointed to learn that it somehow cant drive games at 1440p 120fps. On games on 1440p high - ultra my gpu caps at 80-100 fps on the vast majority of games I play. That surprised me big times as I watch a lot of LTT and even your 3060ti systems regularly go vastly past 100fps on most games you show. Im already knowingly exluding games like Counterstrike that are CPU bound, but still my half wisdom with that shady naming scheme got me good this time.
Old Business Model:
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Same as it always was. There's a reason that even before the term snake oil existed, the US was known as a land of confidence men and scammers.
That isn't a new model. All the health regulations came because they straight up labelled dangerous goods as food since it was cheaper than producing the food item in question.
@@yurie2388 i still remember when in china 2008 a private company Sanlu Group put melamine in infant formula, which caused kidney damage in infants in china. 54000 were hospitalized in official figures.
" One of the more notable early complaints was made on 20 May 2008, when a mother posted online after she learnt that Sanlu donated the milk she had been complaining about to the orphans of the 2008 Sichuan earthquake.[4][5][6][7] " "Melamine is nitrogen-rich, so it is sometimes illegally added to food products to increase their apparent protein content. "
though it wasnt _just_ the private company, the public officials were also corrupt.
At this point, I don't even look at model numbers - I pull up benchmarks to see what I'm looking at.
yeah but how do you know which benchmarks are for which variants, because not all benchmarks list every detail of the card. A benchmark might say 4070 12Gb and another benchmark might say 4070 12Gb, but might not be the same variant.
how are you gonna tell if the benchmark was performed on the exact same card that you're gonna buy? Especially if the benchmark was performed years ago
@@sadge0 A good benchmark will include the product SKU. then you buy that SPECIFIC SKU not the box name.
1050 Ti was the last good budget option for gaming when talking about XX50 cards.
And im still using it no joke
A 1050ti laptop on cyberpunk 2077
If it wasnt for FSR it would be 15fps like in the good old days
But minimal wage means get used for famine and poverty thats your life now and forever
I bought the gtx 1060 6gb for $109, was the best card I ever owned for the price.
Yeah even the Laptop variant was a beast it was the first actual Generation where you could say you had a proper gaming laptop, everything prior was either a desktop replacement solution or terrible performance wise.
1650S
material still have reasonable price back then. with 16nm and GDDR5.
Asus does similar things with their laptops in Europe. Matter of fact where I live it isn't just asus, a lot of popular brand laptops have as confusing product names as they get and very frequently you can't even know the exact configuration of the laptop you are about to buy. They may be two laptops with the same product name, the same CPU and memory and different displays and the only way to know what displays they have is in-person. Yikes.
god bless the Labs team for not backing down and testing a 660 on cyberpunk, those Kepler chips chugging out those 7 frames per second...
I'm genuinely impressed by backwards compatibility, I'd expect it to not run at all.
well, Keplers cant run latest expansion of FF14 anymore, they just dont.
@@zbrkesbris5987 For a 12 year old card it's fair enough
1:13 Just saying TDP from 130W to 70W is technically a downgrade but common 😅
It's great for old Dell towers that don't have an extra power cable for the GPU. Motherboard could power the 70 watt GPU without any extra power up an upgraded psu... Last Nvidia GPU that did this was a 1650
It safes a lot on the electricity bill. 🙂
absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Man. Back in the day, I fell for the Geforce 4 MX scam. When youngling me found out he couldn't play Deus Ex: Invisible War because there was no Pixel Shader 1.0 support, he was PISSED.
AMD, Nvidia and Intel need to be sued for garbage naming schemes
Everybody does that.
Remember when Sony said "Vita means life" right before they supported said Vita with a single game before moving on and killing it?
Xbox used to make sense with 360 "the all rounder" and Xbox One (All-In-One, see the reveal for that) but What's the difference between the One S, One X, Series S and Series X? also the new discless Series X called "Series X" not to be confused with the Series X of course.
And what's the deal with the iPhone 14, iPhone 14 Pro, iPhone 14 Pro Max, and iPhone 14 Plus?
I legit thought the Galaxy Z Flip and Galaxy Z Fold were the same thing until I researched the difference. (You shouldn't have to do that, the difference between a Galaxy S4 and S5 should be obvious by the name)
AMD names are the least egregious, you know what a 5400G is over a 5500U because they at least specify that, even if the naming scheme itself is whack.
USB 3.0 isn't even the third USB version.
Samsung released several TVs this year, including the LS03D(65") LS03D(85") LS03D(Art Mode + QLED) LS03D(OLED) LS03D(AmoLED) and LS03D, tell me the difference between the LS03D, LS03D, LS03D, LS03D, LS03D and LS03D and I will give you a medal, a harvard degree and pet unicorn.
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker USB 3.0 is the third version because USB 1.0 does not exist, it's a figment of imagination, it did not work, the spec was not implementable. The first USB version was 1.1, and second 2.0. Also it doesn't matter, there are allowed to be intermediate versions when you use a dot numbering convention, it's just common sense.
But yeah all companies need to face some sort of repercussion for misleading model naming or numbering. Just because seemingly everyone does it doesn't mean we as a society need to welcome that.
@@SianaGearz Intermediate versions make sense, but that's not all there were for it.
USB 1.0 (1996), USB 1.1(1998), USB type B(printers), Mini USB(A), Mini USB(B), Mini USB(C), USB 2.0 (seventh revision)
There were many types before the second.
It's like how Square Enix is currently on the second of three new versions of Final Fantasy VII despite the fact Final Fantasy XVI already exists. USB is the Final Fantasy of hardware naming schemes.
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker the USB naming scheme is WAY worse than that, they have renamed the same speed as 3.0/3.1/3.2 Gen 1 in a relatively short timespan, then they doubled down with stuff like 3.2 Gen 2x2 and as if that wasn't enough USB 4.0 can be either 20 Gbps or 40 Gbps and they have the same name, I can't wait to see what they do for 80 Gbps and above
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker Most of the connectors were defined in optional supplementary notices since they were not necessary for device to implement the corresponding USB standard, which is primarily electrical and logical. Also in supplementary notices were other optional features like OTG, Charging and (vehicle) Accessory. On USB major versions 2 and 3, signalling was overhauled with new modes being introduced (HighSpeed and SuperSpeed respectively) and new Classes being defined. Before version 4, the versioning made decent sense, but since then, good bloody luck.
Many of the supplementary notices barely exist on paper and weren't relevant in physical reality. Like, by the time OTG semiconductors were actually available, this functionality got folded into Micro B connector, early obsoleting miniature A and AB variants.
Also you're forgetting how old USB 2.0 is. The spec was published in 2000. Mini, Micro etc connectors were defined after and against the 2.0 spec.
What i did find iffy for a while were many devices advertising "USB 2.0" and implying speediness while implementing only FullSpeed signalling which was already defined in USB 1.x. But they did have USB 2.0 extended descriptors. So both a lie and a truth. Some USB 2.0 Classes even only foresee FullSpeed signalling to begin with, no HighSpeed support, because that's what made sense.
At this point, it's safer to buy a GPU on the used market, as the past owner will know more about the GPU than you can learn about it by looking at a shelf in a store
True 😢
just avoid those 580's they are used mining gpu's. I bought a few from different sellers, all were bad.
@@LowBudgetGamer-o6l If you bought it from a hobbyist who did this on his lunchbreak, sure. But every miner with a large enough operation had undervolted the core like crazy ('cause it's barely used for mining) and underclocked the mem to hit a sweetspot in term of efficiency. So you have way better odds by bying to those people who used their cards 24/7, than from a guy who used it 5 hours a day at 100%
@@LowBudgetGamer-o6l just meet in person and check if they actually do work, that's the only way for me personally, if I'm buying a used one. Nothing wrong with the GPUs outta mining if the guy kept them clean, etc
SO GPU'S - DON'T break or worn out.?😮
The subtle nod to real-life "surprise mechanics" and loot boxes is terrifying. 10:09
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0:44 My graphics card 🎉😮😊
@@fanprocar2 our graphics card 😂
My condolences😢
Same I have the asus one
Amazing gpu. I play lots of games on it while streaming. 😊
@@GameHardYT it's not rly good 6600 xt is sooo much better
it's not shady, its criminal beahaviour. I hope they get a class action lawsuit
...and win. Laws protect profits
@@nicejungle Tell that Volkswagen about lying about the emissions of their cars. VW had to pay billions of Euros for that and was basically in saving mode for several years.
@@Svenson_IV
that was in EU, not in USA
@@nicejungle Ok... A lawsuit in the EU then. Nvidia sells the same cards in the EU and US.
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THANK YOU! This is just about the worst thing in tech, you don't even know what the hell you buy until you have it installed and run benchmarks.
Stares at the 4070 GDDR6 coming out....
Do you mean the Ryzen 4070?
Dude you do realise theres a shortage of GDDR6X as Micron has quality control issues
Only way they can keep producing 4070s
They said they don't know why the 4070 gddr6 exist when the gddr6x supply issue is literally stated on the blog for the card
@@sMv-Afjal No, a version of the rtx 4070 with slightly different memory. Now it's 480 tb/s instead of 502 so that's not much different. It's a different technology of memory, gddr 6 instead of gddr 6x. It might be faster overall because it has the same power budget and the new kind of memory is lower power.
@@TheMenaceOfMidladderDecks Then label is as a slower version card. Its easily avoidable, but they didn't do it. Or better yet don't release the GDDR6 card at all and wait for the shortage to be over. You lose sales, sure, but you will look less shady by doing so!
3:51 What is Walmart Wolverine doing here
Well, people watch and read the test of new super sport cars, but they buy a used mini-van. And most people won't check if the engine from a 2014 model is equal to the engine of the 2016 model. Or if the trunk is the same size. Some people will check that, but many people won't check all that stuff. They just look at the budget and if the product in general meets the requirements.
A buyer of a cheap GPU often cares about connectivity, if it fits the case without much effort, etc.
This actually happened to me when I bought a laptop back then on 2013, being unaware that there are 2 very different version of GT 740M. One is the old version which houses 128-bit of memory bus, GK107 chip and lower base clock of 810MHz, and the other "GT 740M" which houses ONLY 64-bit of memory bus, a very different GK208 chip, and higher base clock of 980MHz. Despite that higher base clock, it means nothing as it got entirely different chip inside, thus it is significantly weaker than the OG 740M. Sadly back then, I got this weaker GK208 version, and it's only as good as Intel HD itself, useless in a lot of things that normal GT 740M should've been able to handle. It can't even reach 10FPS on GTA V at lowest while the OG 740M still manage to at least got 30 FPS on high.
I wouldn’t even mind them doing this if they just offered them in low profile variants. Hiding the specs is a dirty practice. If you’re going to take performance away you need to create a form factor that’s different.
I mean, in the 4070 scenario just adding at the end of the name that it's GDDR6 instead of GDDR6X would've sufficed
The RTX 3050 6GB *is* available in low profile variants.
@@nathangamble125 "Variants", plural? Yeston's is the only one I'm aware of, and that frankly barely counts as a real company. (And it can only be bought from their own website.)
i don't understand why GPU prices are so damn high compared to a few years ago. Like why is everyone paying this insanely high prices? can we please stop doing that. Thanks
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Too many people with too much money so it doesn't make sense to drop the prices. Also, way too many people purchase new Nvidia cards instead of AMD cards and as a result, there's zero pressure for Nvidia to drop prices.
@@MikkoRantalainen yeah i know, that was kinda what i said. Is why im asking people to stop paying those stupid prices for the same shit :D
Why not just sue nvidia ?
idk man, i just bought the 3050 6GB because it's LP and doesn't need extra power. also it's cheap and it's the only card that's somewhat new that would fit in that small ass case that i have. no regrets.
Problem is: people keep buying mostly NVIDIA. And so NVIDIA's wallet says "Yep! We can do this! Doesn't matter" and so that's what they do. As long as consumers don't change their purchasing behavior and give NVIDIA more pressure, they won't change.
when the customer says "my son or daughter wants a gaming pc" the sales reptile gets the priciest piece of shit he can't get rid of and they throw it together, pc journos get sponsored, etc. this is a much bigger problem
i'll never forget that NVIDIA promoted a scam game called "The Day Before"
I was hoping they'd get under scrutiny as well, but everyone pretends like that thing never happened.
I am not defending nvidia , on that scenario I don't think even nvidia know it is a scam game to be honest. nobody know it is scam game until it released aside game developer
Perhaps change the title of your RTX 3050 review to indicate the 8GB version? 4:45
Three problems here. First Nvidia never renamed it to 3050 8GB, second it's illogical to expect that all creators would do the same and third it's unreasonable to expect LTT to keep up with name changes for every single product they review.
@@osvaldosaez5689 Linus has people dedicated to handling the channel. A simple name change is not gonna hurt them.
The editor just giving up at 8:30 was fantastic btw. Great video and thanks for the info!
Bashing Nvidia is always a good time
Major corporation ripping off consumers for profit?
What are the odds?
exactly.. it rarely happens hahhaa
Time for the EU to add one more thing on the list of companies to sue
Yeah Nvidia is going to name their cards differently based on the region now. That'll make things less confusing!
It's funny because they can just use the last digit in their numbering system if the name's being too long is their concern; ie: RTX 3050 for the original and RTX 3045 for the downgrade or RTX 3055 for the upgrade
This is exactly why I recommend AMD in the sub-1000$ category for buying new. You could buy a used 2070 Super instead of this slob.
Marketing is the best way to con lazy and stupid shoppers. And most people aren't so smart
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@@Redmanticore despite your normally sound judgement, the milk company also added anthrax to it
4:18 But you are missing a point most people will be likely to watch a video for expansive gpu than cheep one. when new flagship gpu is released there alot people will be interested in the gpu even if they are not in market to buy gpu while in opposite the low end gpu , mostly will be looked at from the people who actually want to buy it . I am in the end completely agreeing with Linus , but i think this point isn’t completely correct .
They covered this point before your timestamp. Watch and understand the video before commenting.
@@KBorePC i hope you learn how to think properly before commenting , if I can agree with you on something maybe i need to write better
@@alias6365 you literally edited the comment. You're original comment read
"But you are missing a point most people will be likely to watch a video for expansive gpu than cheep one"
It really sucks that corporations can just do that to us, consumers, and get away with it. Thankfuly there are people like you who bring the knowledge to the consumers ❤
2:33 is it reversed???
@@totallynotaweirdhuman4576 yes
don't forget the GTX 970 where Nvidia lost a lawsuit for falsely advertising it as a 4gb card when it was really 3.5gb.....
how can they get away with this, but not that???
Let's call it what it is: A SCAM.... It's like buying a Ferrari but when you lift the hood and look at the engine, it's got a 3 cylinder 1 litre engine instead of the 5 litre V12 you were expecting..... a scam....
They should've just called it the RT 3030, I'm sure there would be some decent hype for a GT 1030 replacement for SFF PCs with now end PSUs
As if it wasn't already confusing before, this absolutely sucks.
I worked at a semiconductor manufacturing plant before. I can understand why they segment and salvage some dies as it makes sense to be economical and make use of something that can still work but for lower tier products if they underperform functional and parametric tests (which may or may not indicate physical die issues).
Think of the i3, i5, i7, and i9 Intel chips as an example (not my IRL job, only for analogy's sake). The dies would be the same structurally. However, along the long manufacturing process, some of the dies would fail i9 and i7 tests but pass i5 and i3 standards. They would be "binned" or sorted accordingly. Sometimes, we even had to purposefully sort i5 chips into i3 if there was more demand for it just to fulfill orders. There were some chips that were only renames with additional tests too but basically the same structurally. The opposite happens too where the same chip is tested with less or looser coverage and that is sold as a different product altogether.
Naturally, if the yield of higher end dies are lower, they would struggle to keep up with demand. From NVIDIA's side, it seems they have a tougher time sorting the products into their existing product categories whereby the supposedly 3080 chip does not quite meet the standards of its target yet is a bit above a 3050 but less than 3060. Knowing the price difference is larger if they tag it at 3050, they're just likely minimizing loss or maximizing and salvaging whatever profit they could gain. Thus, they end up creating a weaker 3060 variant overall.
Long story short, this is not new to semiconductor manufacturing. It's just that these modern processing units are so complex and expensive to build that I get it why they want to salvage whatever they can. On the part of the consumers, however, it really is a pain if companies can't make it easier to manage expectations on performance and price associated with a product name or product tiers.
3:40 reminds me of when I was young working in a PC shop, trying to upsell a customer on a speaker set that is exponentially better than the cheapest available speaker set at around 1.2* the cost of the cheapest (the price difference wouldn't even be 2 Canadian rubles), but the client said "It doesn't matter, It's for my dad".
The 3000 Series was skipped over and ignored as much as MWIII.
It's a mindset thing. People buy the Ryzen 5600x over the 5600 because they want the X, and they buy the 5600 over the 5500 because they want the 6, and there's no Ryzen 5400 because nobody wants a 4. They couldn't call it the 3040, nor the RT 3050 because people want the X, and they at least want the 5, but they didn't launch the 3050 8gb as the 3050 Ti, so 6gb seems like the best choice. They couldn't even call it 3050 LP because that would have been understood as low profile. 3050L maybe could have worked. I have a 3060 8gb. It's perfectly fine.