Tesla FSD Update 12.5.4 STRESS TESTED Downtown!
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When someone is parallel parking, you should wait for them to finish, as it’s often challenging for most drivers. Passing them while they’re trying to park can be uncomfortable for both you and the person parking.
The third disengagement is also very subjective and due to the driver own preference. FSD moves at the right time when the light turned green, the driver disengaged the car due to his slow reaction to light as a human(human is slower than FSD😂)
Based on your rain comments near the end, i really want to see how Actually Smart Summon performs in heavy rain thats the main use case for it i.m.o.
Ooh you're totally right.
same i feel like that's like the only time i'd use it
It works fine in heavy rain( used under a tornado warning lol)
I noticed it works fine as colours and lines are more pronounced on wet pavement. This is why movies often wet the pavement before a shoot.
I think crossing the double yellow to get around someone parking is sort of like rolling stop signs. It’s technically not legal but if no other car is coming and no one is endangered, then no harm no foul.
It's perfectly legal. In my state at least, the law is you must yield half the roadway and the double yellow just marks the halfway point. In this case when passing, "yield" is further specified as returning to the right side of the road before coming within 100 feet of oncoming traffic. So only illegal when there's oncoming traffic within 100 feet.
@@dishwashersafe222 So what FSD tried to do was illegal since there was an oncoming car
@@dishwashersafe222 In my state, you're allowed to pass someone on a solid double yellow if they are going less than half the speed limit. This is mostly to deal with farm equipment driving 6mph down the main roads. There is no certain amount of distance a car needs to be in the oncoming lane, it just says far enough away that you can pass and return to your side safely and without interfering with oncoming traffic.
@@DirtyTesla I think we can safely say that pulling out in front of oncoming traffic is bad regardless of the legality ;p
Unfortunately, there is no Thumbs-up button to show the developers when it does exceptionally well in some situations. It should be given a chance to learn from its wins as well as its mistakes.
It learns from its wins by not receiving any negative feedback. That said Tesla FSD does not "learn" in the way Musk claimed it would. There are problem areas that come up over and over that never get fixed even after Tesla sends many test drivers to the problem area for over a year. That's why Tesla FSD vision-only can never be the robotaxi Musk promised would be working by 2020. It will always be the same Level 2 it has been for over 7 years now. The design is a fail.
Your mother is a fail
@@phillgordon7523hater
Then you'd have people like my parents that would thumbs up every time FSD turned for them.
Let's stick with just reporting failures.
Yeah especially if they're going to be switching to end-to-end neural networks. We need a way to say we like something just as much as disliking it so we can train the system.
5:17 FSD correctly predicted that the driver would need to stop, because of the red light, but the van decided to run a red light, which is why it felt so assertive in this moment.
@milanlatona7363 If you get a red light, they'll also have a red light. The van ran his red. But I agree, simply assuming the van would stop is dangerous.
He waved you ahead because there was a pedestrian crossing, and he couldn’t proceed. Technically, you should have gone, or at least I would have. 😂
Good call
Lived in a small town most of my life, this would make fewer mistakes and probably be more fluid in traffic than people who aren't used to city's downtown and freeway driving
Finally someone said it! The last few iterations the speed is not maxed or at my preferences in even city driving, it's usually lower than speed limit for far too long. Also, at stop lights, it takes too long this time to just get going. It used to go right away after it turned green. Hopefully they fix these quick, I hate tapping the accelerator all the time. lol
Another great video. Your insight is spot on. I agree with your assessment about downtown not passing a parallel parker.
I am always amazed how well FSD does and especially on roads unknown to the driver, I believe it will be far better.
I will say that with this new iteration, at least in my car, the windshield wipers on auto are overly active. It could just be the motors in my wipers. I might get it checked out. As for the commentor who said it’s worthless and more stressful, personally, that is absolutely not the case for me. It’s more like just monitoring someone else’s driving. It is absolutely85% less stressful than driving on my own.
14:50 Same, the majority of interventions while in steady driving are accelerator presses. I only sometimes hover the brake if my "spidey sense" detects it may jump out from a stop when it shouldn't. To me, it *feels* like the accelerator press requires the most urgency (to not get rear ended). Pulling out from a stop too soon, there is usually more time before you get in harm's way.
FINALLY got 12.5.4 with Summon on my 2023 Model Y. Had Summon on my other two Teslas and really missed it on the Vision Only Model Y. Use it to move the vehicles when dressed in work clothes or after a workout. Also, have used a weight on the wheel when traveling on the highway. Now I can get rid of that weight.
Ya know … you CAN disable the “Auto Speed”‼️ It took two attempts, but then I was able to set it back to 14% above the speed limit. (14% I find to be perfect ➙ 23 in a 20, 40 in a 35, 63 in a 55, and 74 in a 65 … safe from most police in Massachusetts)
Please consider putting the cars cameras up on screen instead of wide visualisation. Gives us a much better situational awareness. Thanks for sharing. Good vid.
It’s so smooth! I do not drive as good as the car. No doubt, no exaggeration. I do not accelerate or decelerate as well as the car.
I hope I’m getting this soon! Very excited and thank you for an awesome video.
Excellent! If only the car could listen to us talking to it and learn !
Turning into oncoming traffic isnmuch worse than going around parallel parking maneuver. I did a left turn yesterday and got a bit too close to the right turn lane for the opposite direction. Earmed a honk.
Yeah, we got the ASS a couple of days ago.
I hope they fix the last... FSD 'thing' we experienced just before the update. Unexpectedly the car (Mod 3 Highland) and several times during a 200 mile trip went into mad acceleration episodes. On a 55 mph road it would quickly accelerate to 75 mph, without warning and for no clear reason. In one instance it was moving so fast, it couldn't fully move into the left turn lane and caused my wife to fully and officially panic. During the same trip, there were instances where it was driving 50 mph on a 60 mph road.
So... strange...
Always hovering the foot, even on longer drives I may rest my heel on the ground, but my foot is ready to take over in case FSD does something crazy (which over my past six years of experience with it, it has done so many times).
Looking more closely at the parallel parking event, that was REALLY on the ragged edge! It does look like there was room to follow that first car around because the oncoming car was well to the outside of their lane. Also, the reverse lights on the Parker were hard to see, so maybe the fsd assumed the car was just stopped in the road, not about to back up, and the lights came on at the last second. I am glad you hit the brakes, though, and it was WAY too close for comfort!
I spent many years at Michigan and have never seen a pedestrian weight at a crosswalk! Lol
Weight?🤣
Siri. I didn’t proof
@@justdigitgood old US education 🫡
FSD may have become better than the supervisor!
It's gotten so good. Hopefully they buckle down on speed control soon.
I hate it when someone tries to run the yellow light, even though it's clear that I will be stuck in the middle of the road on red because of them. I am that assertive FSD, that will speed in front of you when you're supposed to be stopping rather than speeding up. You're time is not more important than mine or anyone else's on the road.
I feel for all you people stuck on FSD 12.3.6 for what seems to be forever. Even when you do move to a newer version it's just a newer base version but still FSD 12.3.6.
I've noticed the 12.5 versions actually follow the max speed much better. I leave auto speed off and adjust it with the scroll wheel. If you bump it up, hit the accelerator, it'll usually stays there until it goes around a curve or hits traffic.
It's not working well for me with or without autospeed :/
I 1000% agree that lane changes have some kind of limitation. On 12.5.2 it has put its signal on, and then just not changed lanes. Completely clear road, no one around, turn signal on, but no change. Until maybe 5-10 seconds after it first signaled.
Great video. I'm waiting on this update, sometimes there at my car day 1 and sometimes day 14.. Hate the way they appropriate updates lol
Until today I was on 12.3.6 and just got the 12.5.4. Somehow my car skipped a few steps. 😂 it seems to have no rhyme or reason as when you get the updates in relation to other people/cars, just be patient, you’ll get it.
@@alexp.6406 got it and not really liking it. Definetly not as confident as 12.5.1.5. Now when i come to lights or stop signs it doesn’t instantly take off, it almost sits there for a second thinking. With 12,5.1,5 i think i never had to push the pedal to give it a little push, but this .4 I’ve pushed the pedal multiple times today
@@kottuning3294 same here have to be pressing the pedal like crazy might as well get a pedal bike :))))
8:18 maybe they saw that FSD can handle this on its own, meaning it got enough training data to identify those signs as signal in the video streams, and removed the V11 detection which blocked FSD from progressing in case of a red light and no turn on red sign, but it's not that well working on some sign positions or something like this?
Make sure to send in plenty of training data with voice reports, so they can add more cases and get this working better.
Speed control has been a real problem where it’s always going significantly under the posted speed limit and I always need to nudge the accelerator.
Very nice presentation 👍🏻👍🏻
Great video! Thanks.
This is just the beginning !
12.5.4-sunglasses monitoring turned off a few times then came back on. Overall better driving. Several AB 0/0 drive. One pause at right turn green light. Auto Speed is not optimal. Good merging. Smooth.
6:16 do you use Joe mode or is it just that the mic filters out the sound from the speakers so well? Because the indicator is barely noticeable in the videos, if at all.
Would be nice if you could hear the indicator better. If there's a way to record the sounds of the car, maybe do this and overlay it? 🤔
12.5.4 has been pretty good for me except, as you noted, they REALLY need to fix speed control. On my rural country roads I'm pedaling the thing like a bicycle: accelerator to increase speed, the car slows down slowly under the limit, rinse and repeat constantly. It's definitely NOT full self driving when you have to constantly pedal!
Same! But our TH-cam friends don't show that so Tesla will not work on it! They only show in town driving which works decent.
This has been an issue for me on earlier versions. Drives me crazy when it slows down and I have to keep pumping the accelerator.
Unfortunately v12 taking away the set min speed has made this also the experience on the highway. I have to push the accelerator literally every 5 seconds to bring it back to the speed I set. And it drifts out of the lane on curves. And I can't adjust follow distance anymore. And it dosn't want to drive in the rain/dark. And it makes incessant infuriating beeps when I force it to. And I can't use just cruise control when it limits the speed due to rain. And, in general, the highway experience has only gotten MUCH worse over the last couple years.
Yep, speed control is unusable. I turn it off and adjust the speed with the scroll wheel.
@@StormyDog but then you’re not on FSD, you’re on autosteer, correct? I don’t think FSD allows you to control speed with the scroll wheel, please correct me if I’m wrong. I am on 12.5.4 and can’t control the speed with the scroll while on FSD.
For me, FSD version 12.5.2 was a lot more consistent than 12.5.4. This version keeps brake checking people, giving up in the middle of an intersection, and almost rear-ending other cars. It also sometimes imagines stop signs and refuses to go on green lights. Smart Summon is amazing, but I wish it came with the model in 12.5.2. I was able to drive from the Bay Area to Bremerton, Washington without a single intervention, but I am doubtful 12.5.4 could do the same.
Was waiting for this!
Thanks for the advice.
I have a late 2022 MX H3 and just started installing 2024.27.25.
What specifically don’t you see as robotaxi ready? Seems at least in some ways that’s a less of a standard. You don’t have as many driver preferences. Just get there.
At 14 minutes 10 seconds, the other people to your right waved you ahead because they had to wait for a pedestrian to cross on the left side of the screen
My 2021 model Y updated from 12.3 to 12.5.2 last night. My 15 mile drive to work this morning felt very different not having to touch the steering wheel. However, I did notice that it wants to drive even more slowly than 12.3 which was already my biggest complaint. I also noticed that there was some lack of smoothness on the throttle. Although the car was showing a consistent speed. I could feel the car making micro adjustments to the speed, which was not ideal.
The drivers’s three subjective disengagements are all due to his personal preference from my point view; 1st Disengagement - the driver forced the car to let the semi turn right at first although there is enough time and space. 2rd disengagement - the driver forced the car to wait then FSD creep the car forward perfectly when the light is turning green , FSD just wanted to turn at the right time!. 3rd disengagement- FSD wanted to bypass a car stop in front of the tesla car and intended to reverse, FSD has enough time and space to bypass, but the driver disengage the FSD
The fourth disengagement (the driver called the third) is also not necessary, FSD wanted to bypass another car was reversing, and there is enough space for FSD to move forward, and the driver stop it. Again personal preference
I never see the speed issues. My car is doing great with speed lately. Before 12.5.2.1 it would pretty much do speed limit only now it will flow traffic better and do 5-10 over as all other cars are going and we are all used to.
The CINTAS truck driver should not have accelerated on his yellow seeing that you were trying to make a left. Curious to see what would have happened if you did not disengage. Would it have stopped or not?
I think it is performing magnificently. However, my car still does speed through school zones pretty severely. The sunglass thing, well, you are absolutely correct. I can close my eyes, but would never do that, however, when I was admiring the phenomenal graphics, I realized that it did not complain to me. I won’t complain about it because it is our responsibility to not be Representative of the acronym for actual smart summoning and be responsible drivers.
My car follows one school zone, even out of the allotted time, but only in one direction... odd
Yeah, why does the navigation route planner and FSD seem to be off so oftern.
I just got 12.5.4 but haven't used it yet. I was on 12.3.6 previously and it would always turn at a no turn on red near my house.
I've been using 12.5.4 with HW3 for almost a week, and this is the best behaved FSD has ever been. And that's after 12.5.1 which was, uh, how shall I say it: horrendous. Perhaps 12.5.1 worked on HW4, but on HW3 it was a disaster. But man, 12.5.4 is great. I hope it continues to get better from here, rather than the all-too-common better-worse-worse-better-okay-good-terrible kind of sequence that seems a bit too common since version 12.
I have had a few instances of stutter turns on some mildly confusing streets.
That no turn on red looked like youngir the brake when it was green. Maybe it was seeing that the cross reaffic turned red and was predicting the green was about to happen.
Hard tobsay when watchkng and not feeling it of course.
Dirty Tesla, while i like this version so far, and ASS has worked buttery smooth, I have noticed some regressions on the city stack.
Making turns, at times the wheel is a little jerky, where with 12.3.6, it did everything smooth.
Also, something has come back for me that has been gone for a long time. Phantom Braking…… not terrible, but it seems with the extra data on a 5x inference is making it seem things and probably mistaking them for bumps or objects. Seems like it happens in shady areas.
Also, it seems like some of the map data has changed? I had it take me to a rideshare lot in the airport in Atlanta. It was supposed to go to the right, but it wanted to go to the left with 0.3 miles remaining.
Yeah, got it yesterday and have had a few phantom brake instances. The big thing I’ve noticed is yellow light behavior. Before the car would push the limits between yellow and red lights. Yesterday the car very aggressively stopped for a yellow light, almost to the point of chirping the tires and being slightly over the stop line. Lane selection doesn’t seem to have improved over the last version and we also had a re-route from the map route.
First drives always get a pass from me as it always seems to take a few drives for a version to settle in.
I think when you suddenly reengage and that parallel parker was right there that’s tough for the cat to make a perfect choice but it wouldn’t have went around if it couldn’t have. Obviously the car in front went so it would have been g fine
Have you ever tried to route it without navigation just using the turn signals? I did part of a drive that way with one or two turns and it works, but I wonder how far you can go by simply guiding it with the turn signal stock.
On surface streets, I am finding FSD 12.5.4 is “uneven“ and it’s speed maintenance. It’s like it samples the speed of the car ahead and then readjusts its speed multiple times a second but this results in a constant light acceleration and deceleration that is very unpleasant. It’s like driving with a 2 foot driver with 1 foot on the gas and 1 foot on the brake constantly fighting each other as all the heads in the car bob back-and-forth during what should be relatively steady speed driving. This is new and was not present in previous versions of FSD. FYI, I just upgraded from 12.3.6.
Can you make a video that shows where all the car cameras are?
Please add a pop-filter to your voice over mic setup, or if you have one add a better one 😅
Great vid! Comment added for algorithm.
when entering a small town from a rural area going from 55 to 35mph 11 3 6 was the best do you agree? cheers! upvoted!!
14:05 They waved you ahead because the pedestrian to your left was preventing them from going anyway.
"no turns on red" never worked for me in NE Ohio.
Same
I downloaded 12.5.4 today on my HW3 2019 Model 3. A.S.S. works great except it disregards direction of travel for one way parking lots to take the shortest path to me. I noticed it does not reverse before going forward, maybe uses Ultra sonics? Auto speed is useless to dangerous. Lane selection is better than V12.5.2.1 which I had for 3 days from V12.3.6.
Have you noticed it hesitates or doesn't go immediately sometimes on green lights? I am having that issue at night with 12.5.4.
4:01 what happens if you turn on the right turn signal when it's supposed to turn left here? 🤔
That's not as random as it seems, because the navigation showed that as alternate route. I wonder if you can ask it to go an alternate route by using just the turn signal.
@@RubenKelevra I have tried this back on 12.3 and it basically ignored my input and kept following the route. I just got FSD again(after the free trial) and will probably try this soon. Ping me if I don't leave a 2nd comment In a week
I would wait for the parallel parker. it only takes a minute.
How do I know which version of FSD I will get when I subscribe?? Last month I subscribed to FSD and I got an old version which was not satisfactory. The version you have seems much better.
You don’t pick. You can subscribe or pay for FSD then you get the updates as Tesla pushes them out, the same as those who have had FSD.
@@cxvzf I don’t want to pay for that old version. It wasn’t worth it. The least they could do is tell us what version they are pushing out at this time.
You'd only get 12.3.6 or 12.5.4. both are great. I just got 12.5.4 today and the previous one was so good I was hesitant to let it update. You won't get a version 11.
Wait until your base software version (eg 2024.27.25) is on a version that has the newest FSD. It might take a while for this to happen if you aren't subbed to FSD, but it's the only way to be sure.
@@DirtyTeslaI just updated to 2024.27.10 a few days ago. I feel like having my software update mode set to "advanced" has never worked for me. Hell, I've driven rental teslas with newer software that I wouldn't see for months.
At 5:00 ish, did the big truck make a legal turn into the closest lane?
8:55
If you look at the animation, it showed that the car in the oncoming lane saw what was happening and had moved over to make room already. If the other car had stayed in the middle of their lane, I dont think it would have tried.
As far as should it, absolutely. There are way too many scenarios that it would be waiting on if it wasnt allowed to for example cross a double yellow to go around an obstruction. Like 13:10 as you noted.
12.5.4 has been phantom breaking and swerving dramatically to avoid small puddles. Makes many mistakes just in navigating and lane selection. I have not yet tried without it raining since it has been raining non stop! A little disappointed with it so far :(
Just before your left turn on East Huron that white van actually ran the light and really should not have and you had the right of way so the car did the right thing.
First drive on 12.5.4 (HW3) I had it turn on right on red once and the next drive at the same intersection with no cars it didn’t. On 12.4.3 it might show intent, but generally for me it would only actually do right on red if I pressed accelerator. I had 12.4.3 a long time (2.5 months 😂) and I am still not sure 12.5.4 is tracking better for me on initial drives. It is close tho. I haven't yet driven 12.5.4 enough (a couple of times) but I do expect it will be better overall. It did avoid flattened roadkill better than 12.4.3 though!
I see a major issue that needs addressed....turning the wheel ahead of time when turning left into traffic. Getting rearended while doing that is a head-on collision.
I would be really impressed if you could summon it from the UK.
Since 12.5.4 on my 2020 MYP, I got 2 strikes interacting with the screen for more than 5 seconds. You barely have time to change a climate function. It’s frustrating cause I’m interacting with the screen with no backup driver. It’s my bad but I’m sure I’m not alone. The voice commands are not there yet mostly for handling multi language issues (ex: contact name other than English). I also noticed that FSD is having problems with no right turn signs on red light for city and yellow speed signs. It does not recognize them.
I noticed that you kept getting weather warnings. After several of those don't you think it gets annoying and useless? That's one thing I'd like Tesla to fix in a future release, maybe by increasing the time between the warnings.
Yeah they need to put like a 5 minute timer on it or something
@@DirtyTesla Or a little stormy cloud icon somewhere. We don't need a warning all the time. Just like when you drive on dark roads and it thinks the camera aren't working.
For erroneous disengagements where the software was in the right, you could always leave a voice note i guess, saying the human was wrong?
He presses a icon on the screen, ferromagnetic there, Tesla can see what happened. 😊
Who else mostly just watches the tesla animation on the screen other than the actual road. It gives me way more understanding of what the car is doing than watching the road, through the windscreen. 😂
I always wonder what people are watching more. I find myself watching the road mostly (while watching the video) if I don't think about it, but I enjoy watching the animation more.
I watch the road mostly then rewind to look at the screen when something interesting happens.
Just FYI, the car doesn’t “use” the visualization or any detected objects for controlling the vehicle since FSD V12. This is because it uses end-to-end neural nets now. Camera Pixels in, controls out. The visualization is merely a separate model run so us inferior humans can have something on the screen 😊
You're a danger to yourself and others, you should be ashamed.
I enjoyed this video. Could you let us know what setting you typically use, namely, Chill, Standard, or Assertive?
it's at 0:01 in the video
Average, this is a good balance using elements of both chill and assertive
No turn in red is more of a suggestion! 😂. Hopefully Tesla doesn't use my driving for training.
You'll get a big time ticket here for ignoring that lol
Aggressiveness should be contingent on the weather. It needs to be dialed down when the roads are wet.
The acronym is getting a lot of play 😂
I think for those disengagements it is down to personal preference. Some may do as you did others would do as the car intended.
This could be one the most difficult problems to solve. Some users disengaging thus reporting the behaviour to Tesla as you did, others would do the opposite letting it go and in fact disengaging and taking over if FSD did as you wanted.
It is the same with speed limits some want to over the speed limit all the time others want to go slower/strictly obey, etc.
How we solve these personal preferences I'm not sure.
Have you any idea?
I don't think "This could be one the most difficult problems to solve". FSD, even if trained on a common dataSet, should have the ability to adapt to different driving styles bases on location and user preferences. Same as we do, when u travel to a different region/country, you r extra caution for some time until you get the driving vibe from the locals; same with preferences, when u have elder or kids on the car, you deal down the assertiveness.
Maybe FSD sees the 3 shortest routes from the Nav as an input
Please provide timestamps of interventions and other important maneuvers
The speed control is really bad for me as well.
First trip with this latest FSD from work to home and it ran a red light...
9:40 - looks like there was plenty of room to the right of that car to position yourself to make that right turn
I thought about that but it's a no turn on red anyway so eh
I wonder if FSD is starting to remember things.
“…it’s just perfect..oh a disengagement”..😅😅😅
It hears me 😂
I just got the update
Is the function where turning off turn signal stops a turn new for 12.5.4 or only on cars with stalks? Tried it in the past on 12.5 and it didn’t work. Also if you hold the turn signal with no destination does it force it to turn. Someone said yes but I have been unable to get it to work ever.
Agree 👍🏾💯
“Where’s your foot”
Speed seems like the easiest fix, the lowest hanging fruit. Any idea why they can't program it to just go the posted limit? I have another similar gripe: coming nearly to a stop to exit a highway, down to 20mph or less. Meanwhile everyone behind me is going 60+, how is that behavior considered better than what the average driver would do? I'm talking about a sunny day, dry roads...
Like I always say - there's two schools of thought with fsd. One is if there was no one in the driver seat. You, as a passenger, would want ultra safety even if it's annoying other drivers. The other is if it's just driving for you where you want it to drive as if you're impatient. Like coming to a full stop vs a small roll through.
I've been wearing sun glasses with FSD for a year (I bought my car a year ago) without issues. My biggest complaint is when the car is turning at a stop sign, I'll watch oncoming traffic to make sure it doesn't do anything stupid, but the car will complain that I need to keep my eyes on the road.... which is EXACTLY what I'm doing at that time. It also bitches if I look at the console to change the temp. Still has phantom breaking issues in areas with complex shade (trees casting potty shadows or light beams), or freaking out because it sees construction cones on a sidewalk and wanting to drive 25-30 in a 45 zone. Slamming on the breaks when a light goes yellow. When I see slam on the breaks, I'm talking about everything flying off the seats breaking. Thank God there hasn't been anyone behind me when that happens. Don't forget School Zones. Tesla FSD doesn't honor school zone speed limits with the flashing sign. Also, the "minimal lane changes" option doesn't seem to help much anymore. :(
Don't get me wrong, I love the FSD and it's useful for getting around, but there are some serious issues that still need fixing.
Still sucks in the country! Still takes corners off the road into the rocks/road edge, still can't hold speed over long straight roads and slowly decreases speed, still goes
Yay A.S.S.!!!