Battle Breakdown : Sacrifice of Angels - Starfleet's Kobayashi Maru

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มี.ค. 2018
  • This is a part of a multi-episode Series that breaks down Deep Space nine's Operation Return.
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  • @bobgibson4913
    @bobgibson4913 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think the Fact that the Klingons were able to add an element of surprise to the Battle and that they were so Good at outflanking their Opponents in Battle was a tremendous asset.

  • @jwhippet8313
    @jwhippet8313 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I like how Wolf359 was supposed to be catastrophic with 40 ships lost, then in DS9 there are thousand ship battles.

  • @rodbyrules914
    @rodbyrules914 6 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    One of my favorite scenes occurs right when Sisko orders the fleet into the gap Dukat has opened. After realizing that Dukat has called Galor-class vessels up to blast the Federation ships as they enter the gap, Sisko orders a couple Galaxy-wings to engage them. We next see of a Galor-class vessel blasting Federation ships as they enter the gap, only to be engaged and overwhelmed by the combined firepower of three Galaxy-class ships. I thought it was a cool moment of strategy and we got to see a group of Galaxy-class vessels work together.

  • @kostakatsoulis2922
    @kostakatsoulis2922 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    A moment of silence for the Seetak and the Majestic, the 2 bravest Mirandas in the entire fleet; i really hope some of their crews managed to survive

  • @lanceheaps581
    @lanceheaps581 6 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    I disagree that Operation Return was intended to effectively win the war. Quite the opposite it was intended to effectively stop them from losing the war. Had it not been for the Romulans coming in after A Pale Moonlight Starfleet still would have lost the war. The success of Operation Return just prevented the Federation from getting beaten much sooner.

  • @PetersaberHD
    @PetersaberHD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This battle is why the Dominion lost the war. It cost them a lot of ships, yes, but most importantly, it cost them Gul Dukat. A leader and military veteran.

  • @rkcoon
    @rkcoon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I would point out that just because 200 broke through, it does not mean the remaining 400 were destroyed - they may have simply been bogged down with the Dominion fleet still in furious battle. Further, the moment that the Dominion pulled back, whatever was left was also free to collect the wounded and dead and make for DS9. They deliberately left it nebulous for future episodes, but its anyone's guess what the final count was. I would not call this a Pyrrhic victory by any means - For the first time, the Dominion turned tail and ran. That alone was the massive boost the Allied fleets needed.

  • @kostakatsoulis2922
    @kostakatsoulis2922 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How i always imagined the battle went after the Defiant broke through was this:

  • @MRFlackAttack1
    @MRFlackAttack1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A small counterpoint, I would say that while the battle could be described as a Pyrrhic victory on a tactical level, by that I mean looking at the number of ships involved, the losses sustained by each side and the final outcome. On a strategic level it was a major victory, maybe even decisive as the federation alliance never again lost control of DS9 and so never had to worry about Dominion reinforcements arriving from the gamma quadrant for the rest of the conflict.

  • @DarinRWagner
    @DarinRWagner 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Good analysis! That whole storyline was a high water mark for Star Trek on TV.

  • @theduke7539
    @theduke7539 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The entire dominion war was summed up in the words of the founder during the last episode: "When this is all over, you will have lost so many ship, so many lives, your victory will taste as bitter as defeat."

  • @Rashaed
    @Rashaed 6 ปีที่แล้ว +184

    NEVER serve on a Miranda-class starship.

  • @Feijudas
    @Feijudas 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would have gathered a fleet of old unused ships and aimed them at the main dominion ships, engaging their warp drives from a distance. Riker almost did this to the first borg cubes and would have been a very effective solution.

  • @sergeantassassin3425
    @sergeantassassin3425 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Couple things:

  • @robertagu5533
    @robertagu5533 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If I remember right Dukat screwed up when he ASSUMED no help was coming to back the Federation. So when that 200 ship fleet which basically constitutes a small Armada breaks through thats STILL a large force headed for DS9 not to mention when the Klingons mopping up the flanked Dominion who wouldn't dare focus just on the Human forces or their Klingon allies would just destroy them behind as the now 2 enemy fleets would've used text book maneuvers and played the pincer squeeze game and slaughtered the Dominion fast as that point. While the more and more that broke through raced to back Defiant. That one blunder holding nothing back from that trap basically coated them the battle once Worf arrived and caught them with their pants down.

  • @markwilliamson6277
    @markwilliamson6277 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video, loving your work. But I disagree that only 200 Federation ships survived. This is only my opinion, but here's how I see it:

  • @julius-stark
    @julius-stark 6 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Poor Setak and Majestic. Someone should name a high school after them.

  • @NivekH420
    @NivekH420 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoy the battle break down videos. The dominion war story arc is hands down my favourite in Star Trek

  • @JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701
    @JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It was not a bold but desperate move to attack this big Dominion fleet by Sisko and if the klingons didn't make it in time there were most likely no Federation in the future to defend.

  • @wicksinn
    @wicksinn 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    If we compare both armies, we can see why the federation won this engagement.