Agree. I’ve got an 86 930, and every time I pick the car up from my mechanic, I tell him I’m going to drive the hell out of it, and he always replies I wouldn’t expect you to do anything different.
That looks stunning in that colour I had a 944 s2 back in the early 2000s . I could of easily traded it against one of these for a a few grand . How times have changed , that one your driving is probably 50 or 60k !
Torsion beam? No. It uses torsion bars instead of coil springs. But it is most certainly independent rear suspension. Definitely not VW rabbit “torsion beam” rear suspension.
They are such a fun car, the coupe being the best and most valuable and the best to drive. A proper iconic Porsche and real drivers car. They are slow compared to the modern cars but you get a great feel. They do rot badly so make sure you check behind the door shuts and inside the frunk. Easily usable as a daily which I did for a good while. Enjoy Joe, a complete difference to your Cayman I bet!
Thank you! Yeah they are a different beast but I was surprised how modern in felt and how easy it was to drive, shows how well these cars were designed. They must have felt like a spaceship in 1987.
I have a 1979 with 915 gearbox. Bought it with 300000km. It has been my daily driver for more than 4 years. Not delicate AT ALL! Left hand drive has a better driving position than the RH drive. They were designed to be LHD. (Look at cubby hole knob on Rhd cars) Most reliable car I ever owned and, and a great investment. Incredibly satisfying drive.
Yeah I think cars of this age don’t do well being lowered. They are always going to be on the softer side and a higher ride height. It’s all part of the charm I suppose.
I agree. The car is much easier to live with when the suspension has some travel to work with. Standard suspension at normal ride height can go over railroad tracks at 45MPH and not upset the car (or passengers).
Lovely car and a fun vid,. I had one with the lesser 718 717 (god knows. I cant remember the numbers exactl)y gearbox. Still feel a pang. She was fun!. 2nd to third was fun when you nailed it.
I was surprised how it wasn’t that hard to drive, clutch took some getting used to, air con was weak but still worked to be fair. Thanks for the comment! Bet you miss yours! Fabulous cars.
many talk about value... we've owned our 87 for 30 + years --- and don't worry about "value" but funability - and it never disappoints! passing it on to our kid - eventually.
That’s ace!! Love hearing stories like that. 30 years in you must be very attached to the car. I’m guessing it’s been reliable for 30 years too. Back when Porsches were built like little tanks.
@JoeTalksCars pretty reliable, just small things like odometer plastic gears disintegrating, Steering wheel plastic bushing disintegrating and other plastic parts just not holding up well, DME relay switch recently got me stranded last year... but all replaceable and many forums to help you out. Reminds me that I got to get in it and drive before winter sets in!
So refreshing to see such an authentic Porsche related TH-cam channel, and it being presented by a genuine guy. Good on ya fella👍 Sadly not all are like you I'm afraid!! A few of my buddies put me onto this dude "The Review Centre - Bavarian Dominator" ... google it, because he don't sell tyres!!! lol
In a world of power steering, servo brakes and autonomous driving it’s becoming less likely that people will ever drive a car like this. I found it ok but I have heard people find them hard, it’s no wonder. If you are not familiar with cars of this era it will be a shock to the system.
Nice 911 and the earlier 3.0 SC turbo look is a good one also. I did some maintenance work for the owner and took the test drive to see if all was well and it drove quite nice. The owner came by to pick it up and wanted a ride in my 987.2 Cayman S to see what it was like and he was very complementary and I told him his 911 is very nice also.
I owned a 964 Carrera C4 Convertible with manual gearbox in 2003, which I bought for €18500,- Yes. Amazing. I also purchased a simular model like this G-50 , a Coupe, in dark green metallic, with green leather interior, for € 15000,- Very popular cars today. And the prices exploded after I sold them, a few years later... My luck. Anyway, I loved droving them. Both aircooled models. The sensation of that sound, was mindblowing. I never had felt the same in other cars. Not even in a Ferrari. Porsches are so different and unique. All owners will understand what I'm talking about..
Much prefer the cassis red over my ‘89 3.2’s slate grey. Tempted to go this colour in a few years when I give it its 40-yearly respray. Not sure I could bring myself to go the colour-matched centres on the Fuchs, though…
Yeah it’s a special colour, saw one in the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart. One of the great colours over the years I’d say. I quite like the wheels, not sure if it is standard tho. Works if you ask me tho.
Sadly, I sold my 1984 3.2 and I regret it. I found the car difficult to drive in the gear changing department. The gearbox change Porche made did make the care easier to drive. However, I loved the car immensely and would love to purchase another if I could.
Shame! What an investment these have become. Same has happened to me with a classic MG. Can’t keep them all. This was simple to drive, guessing the new box in this one is night and day from what was in your 3.2?
I have a silver 87 Carerra, and it looks, feels and drives like an analog car. As you found, it's a great feeling! And it's a very reliable car. In fact, in a couple of months I'll be driving it across the US, look for the video! I love your video and your discovery of the analog classic air cooled Porsche experience!
Thanks for the comment! Sorry for the late reply! Loved this car and glad the video is entertaining, it’s been getting good views now. Started out slow which is a shame, seems the more classic cars aren’t as popular. Hope to get a few more on the channel and widen the appeal.
Great car. Big fan of air cooled Porches. Had a chance to purchase a 3.2Carrera about 12 years ago for.. Gulp.. £9995 and I bottled it thinking about the work that maybe needed. Oh! how I regretted that decision even before values started sky rocketing
Yeah it wasn’t even that long ago was it when they were that price! Crazy to think it was a bargain! These cars are gonna be 100k in another 5 or 10 years for sure.
I daily drove a late 80s fiesta about 5 years ago. I imagine there's a lot in common with it apart from the power and handling. I did enjoy that old school feel and sound. Very unrefined, way more mechanical, raw and unassisted. It makes modern cars feels like driving a computer game - things like the 981, TT mk3, BMW F30 generation and probably all of the others. I'm starting to think I might actually prefer the 987 to the 981 even though I'm more fond of the exterior and interior of the 981.
Nice! Yeah there will be. I used to own a 1977 MG Midget and this brought back good memories of that car. No PAS or Servo and just seriously nice engaging drive. Certainly shifted too, so little weight.
@@JoeTalksCars I’d be very curious to see what you make of the 981 S now you’re used to your 987. I’m also wondering if the .2 is really worth extra as a rebuild might be less than the price of a .2 and not guaranteed to happen.
@@MadelnMachinesI owned a 987S Boxster for 15 years, 125,000 miles. Traded in for a 981 Spyder a year ago. There is a saying, ‘A modern Porsche is is a better car but a worse Porsche.’ Now I know.
Great review! Your impressions are similar to mine when I drove one for the first time. I've sorted out my 1989 and know most of the car's quirks mechanically. The 3.2 does have weak head studs on the exhaust side of the engine that can crack and that's the main issue with them and maybe worn valve guides as well on original top ends. But as others have said these are very robust cars with dry sump oiling delivered with absolute precision. Rubber bits are dried out by now so they will be either leaking from the many o rings and seals and misting oil from some of the oil lines running all over. Fuel lines may be drying out and some of the plastic bushings and bits may be crumbling into powder in some places. But the parts are available albeit not cheap so the car is supportable. I think they are super fun to drive and I just love mine.
Good, honest , genuine Porsche channel fella. Wish there were more like you! Subscribed. More will follow I expect😉
Thank you so much! Too kind!
Air cool life 😎
Amazing isn’t it.
@@JoeTalksCars yessssss sir 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
I own a 1987 911 carrera convertable 😎😎😎
Nice review Joe
15:00 Put the sunroof back about 2" and it produces a nice mild cooling airflow, cooling YOU & the interior, without wind noise.
(I'm a 993 owner.)
Oooh now that is probably what I should have done! Ah well, lovely car! Would buy one in a heartbeat. Genuine easy to drive classic.
just caught up with this one Joe. What a car and how fantastic is cassis red. Thought you drove like a pro 😊
"these things" are not at all "delicate," my friend. They're built like tanks. You don't need to drive it with "mechanical sympathy."
It’s from the late 80s tho. I get they are built well but still, got to treat them nice until they are warm:)
Agree. I’ve got an 86 930, and every time I pick the car up from my mechanic, I tell him I’m going to drive the hell out of it, and he always replies I wouldn’t expect you to do anything different.
That looks stunning in that colour
I had a 944 s2 back in the early 2000s .
I could of easily traded it against one of these for a a few grand .
How times have changed , that one your driving is probably 50 or 60k !
The colour is insane! Unique and so stylish. Think it has aged beautifully. One hell of an investment for sure.
Torsion beam?
No.
It uses torsion bars instead of coil springs. But it is most certainly independent rear suspension.
Definitely not VW rabbit “torsion beam” rear suspension.
Ahhh torsion bar, got it wrong. Whoops! Cheers for the comment tho!
Cassis Red. It’s among my dream spec colors of this era. I’d take Mark’s beauty off his hands in a heartbeat. Fun review, thanks and cheers
Nicely done, you're a trooper! ......from a 29 year G-Body owner!
Thank you:) loved the car. Surprised me. Would have taken it home
cassis red? In Germany that color is called: Leberwurst Metallic
They are such a fun car, the coupe being the best and most valuable and the best to drive. A proper iconic Porsche and real drivers car. They are slow compared to the modern cars but you get a great feel. They do rot badly so make sure you check behind the door shuts and inside the frunk. Easily usable as a daily which I did for a good while. Enjoy Joe, a complete difference to your Cayman I bet!
Thank you! Yeah they are a different beast but I was surprised how modern in felt and how easy it was to drive, shows how well these cars were designed. They must have felt like a spaceship in 1987.
Just a quick correction......
The suspension "is" 4wheel independent. (Torsion bars)
Also, the brakes a servo assist.
Ahhh ooops! With the brakes tho! That surprises me, they felt very unassisted
@@JoeTalksCars you're right. They don't feel like power brakes at all.
Lovely car, very good video. Calm and informative presentation. Perfect.
Well done yet again.
thank you! have to say I am quite happy with how this turned out,
Joe you do a brilliant job talking unscripted in your videos. And the edit job always on point. Bravo.
Thank you!! I do my best! Hard to learn the facts and reel them off:)
I have a 1979 with 915 gearbox. Bought it with 300000km. It has been my daily driver for more than 4 years. Not delicate AT ALL! Left hand drive has a better driving position than the RH drive. They were designed to be LHD. (Look at cubby hole knob on Rhd cars) Most reliable car I ever owned and, and a great investment. Incredibly satisfying drive.
That’s amazing! I mean a lot of people do say these are peak Porsche for build.
Really good presentation Joe. Excellent style. Nice !
Thank you!
I had an 88 and it had lowered suspension, I raised it to standard, and the ride was such an improvement
Yeah I think cars of this age don’t do well being lowered. They are always going to be on the softer side and a higher ride height. It’s all part of the charm I suppose.
I agree. The car is much easier to live with when the suspension has some travel to work with. Standard suspension at normal ride height can go over railroad tracks at 45MPH and not upset the car (or passengers).
Nice car… but think your getting servo assisted mixed up with ABS, if its a 3.2 carrera it has servo assist
Possibly yes, although I did have a 1977 MG Midget with no servo and this felt just like it so not sure.
Bravo e modesto, bella vettura, i pedali erano incernierati a pavimento, credo. Sound incredible, gran video, complimenti!
Thank you so much!
Lovely car and a fun vid,. I had one with the lesser 718 717 (god knows. I cant remember the numbers exactl)y gearbox. Still feel a pang. She was fun!. 2nd to third was fun when you nailed it.
I was surprised how it wasn’t that hard to drive, clutch took some getting used to, air con was weak but still worked to be fair. Thanks for the comment! Bet you miss yours! Fabulous cars.
Oh I miss it mate:)
You are so lucky to have the opportunity to drive that 911, amazing 👏👍
Certainly am! Was an amazing day! So so grateful
many talk about value... we've owned our 87 for 30 + years --- and don't worry about "value" but funability - and it never disappoints! passing it on to our kid - eventually.
That’s ace!! Love hearing stories like that. 30 years in you must be very attached to the car. I’m guessing it’s been reliable for 30 years too. Back when Porsches were built like little tanks.
@JoeTalksCars pretty reliable, just small things like odometer plastic gears disintegrating, Steering wheel plastic bushing disintegrating and other plastic parts just not holding up well, DME relay switch recently got me stranded last year... but all replaceable and many forums to help you out. Reminds me that I got to get in it and drive before winter sets in!
Love the decals!
Amazing aren’t they!
So refreshing to see such an authentic Porsche related TH-cam channel, and it being presented by a genuine guy. Good on ya fella👍 Sadly not all are like you I'm afraid!! A few of my buddies put me onto this dude
"The Review Centre - Bavarian Dominator" ... google it, because he don't sell tyres!!! lol
Who the hell said it's hard to drive?? Can you drive a Honda?
In a world of power steering, servo brakes and autonomous driving it’s becoming less likely that people will ever drive a car like this. I found it ok but I have heard people find them hard, it’s no wonder. If you are not familiar with cars of this era it will be a shock to the system.
Awesome video brother! I bought a cassis red last year and Turing it into a dune ripping safari machine, love these cars getting used.
Really? That’s amazing! Would love to see that!!
11:05 Oh THAT was funny!
🤣 it was!
Nice 911 and the earlier 3.0 SC turbo look is a good one also. I did some maintenance work for the owner and took the test drive to see if all was well and it drove quite nice. The owner came by to pick it up and wanted a ride in my 987.2 Cayman S to see what it was like and he was very complementary and I told him his 911 is very nice also.
Nothing wrong with a good 915 gearbox vs G50
It’s just a lovely car :) gearbox was like a new car, unbelievable.
Anyone said they are hard to drive?
I’ve heard from lots of videos before. They were not correct tho.
I owned a 964 Carrera C4 Convertible with manual gearbox in 2003, which I bought for €18500,- Yes. Amazing. I also purchased a simular model like this G-50 , a Coupe, in dark green metallic, with green leather interior, for € 15000,- Very popular cars today. And the prices exploded after I sold them, a few years later... My luck. Anyway, I loved droving them. Both aircooled models. The sensation of that sound, was mindblowing. I never had felt the same in other cars. Not even in a Ferrari. Porsches are so different and unique. All owners will understand what I'm talking about..
Yeah they are silly prices now. Surprised me how modern it felt and easy to drive. Cars of a similar age would be a battle, this was incredible.
Thats so awesome Joe!
Thank you!
Much prefer the cassis red over my ‘89 3.2’s slate grey. Tempted to go this colour in a few years when I give it its 40-yearly respray. Not sure I could bring myself to go the colour-matched centres on the Fuchs, though…
Yeah it’s a special colour, saw one in the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart. One of the great colours over the years I’d say. I quite like the wheels, not sure if it is standard tho. Works if you ask me tho.
Sadly, I sold my 1984 3.2 and I regret it. I found the car difficult to drive in the gear changing department. The gearbox change Porche made did make the care easier to drive. However, I loved the car immensely and would love to purchase another if I could.
Shame! What an investment these have become. Same has happened to me with a classic MG. Can’t keep them all. This was simple to drive, guessing the new box in this one is night and day from what was in your 3.2?
Beautiful car. I have an 83 911. Nope not hard to drive at all. Fun to drive? YES.
They really are! I think because of the age I was expecting it to be hard. This shows how far ahead Porsche was back then.
I have a silver 87 Carerra, and it looks, feels and drives like an analog car. As you found, it's a great feeling! And it's a very reliable car. In fact, in a couple of months I'll be driving it across the US, look for the video! I love your video and your discovery of the analog classic air cooled Porsche experience!
Thanks for the comment! Sorry for the late reply! Loved this car and glad the video is entertaining, it’s been getting good views now. Started out slow which is a shame, seems the more classic cars aren’t as popular. Hope to get a few more on the channel and widen the appeal.
Great car. Big fan of air cooled Porches. Had a chance to purchase a 3.2Carrera about 12 years ago for.. Gulp.. £9995 and I bottled it thinking about the work that maybe needed. Oh! how I regretted that decision even before values started sky rocketing
Yeah it wasn’t even that long ago was it when they were that price! Crazy to think it was a bargain! These cars are gonna be 100k in another 5 or 10 years for sure.
Wow. Such an amazing car. Really ace to see these cars looked after and shared.
Unreal isn’t it! The owner drives the thing properly. Driving on huge road trips and was so up for sharing!
Only thing more narrow than that G body is those jeans 😂. Great job!
🤣🤣🤣
I daily drove a late 80s fiesta about 5 years ago. I imagine there's a lot in common with it apart from the power and handling. I did enjoy that old school feel and sound. Very unrefined, way more mechanical, raw and unassisted. It makes modern cars feels like driving a computer game - things like the 981, TT mk3, BMW F30 generation and probably all of the others. I'm starting to think I might actually prefer the 987 to the 981 even though I'm more fond of the exterior and interior of the 981.
Nice! Yeah there will be. I used to own a 1977 MG Midget and this brought back good memories of that car. No PAS or Servo and just seriously nice engaging drive. Certainly shifted too, so little weight.
@@JoeTalksCars I’d be very curious to see what you make of the 981 S now you’re used to your 987. I’m also wondering if the .2 is really worth extra as a rebuild might be less than the price of a .2 and not guaranteed to happen.
@@MadelnMachinesI owned a 987S Boxster for 15 years, 125,000 miles. Traded in for a 981 Spyder a year ago. There is a saying, ‘A modern Porsche is is a better car but a worse Porsche.’ Now I know.
Great review! Your impressions are similar to mine when I drove one for the first time. I've sorted out my 1989 and know most of the car's quirks mechanically. The 3.2 does have weak head studs on the exhaust side of the engine that can crack and that's the main issue with them and maybe worn valve guides as well on original top ends. But as others have said these are very robust cars with dry sump oiling delivered with absolute precision. Rubber bits are dried out by now so they will be either leaking from the many o rings and seals and misting oil from some of the oil lines running all over. Fuel lines may be drying out and some of the plastic bushings and bits may be crumbling into powder in some places. But the parts are available albeit not cheap so the car is supportable. I think they are super fun to drive and I just love mine.
Thanks for the comment. I was genuinely shocked how modern it felt, I wouldn’t but I could daily drive this!
Torsion BEAM? It's a torsion BAR suspension. It's independent. It's not a Golf rear suspension! Do some bloody research.
Wow I get one word wrong🤣
That’s a tea tray, not a whale tail
Is that what it’s called 🤣 that’s ace!