The response to this video has been amazing thank you all so much. Definitely going to focus on more long form content in the future. I've seen loads of people that actually want to watch the show themselves without my commentary. The show is notoriously hard to get hold of without major cuts and the aspect ratio being messed with. The easiest way is to get season 1 and 2 on amazon video make sure to only click the ones with the channel 4 watermark and blue banner. The britbox version has been heavily censored. This only works for people in the UK. Even a VPN won't work as it'll decline your payment if you try to buy it overseas. For everyone else it's a bit more tricky. It is on amazon but it's been heavily edited, with scenes cut and the aspect ratio messed with so everything looks more zoomed in, going against the entire point of the cinematography. If you have a VPN you can set your region to the UK and then search to buy the channel 4 version of Utopia from the TH-cam store. I bought it myself to test it and the aspect ratio is the same and the scenes are uncut. It's the best version you can get outside of the UK legally. The Utopia subreddit has a post explaining how to watch it untampered if you don't live in the UK. I think they're going to be more active again since this video's been released. I'll update this post if I get any more information. www.reddit.com/r/utopiatv/comments/j1efu8/how_to_watch_the_original_show_uncut/ TL;DR UK > US + ratio
I told my sister that I was watching a show called Utopia and she told me she had seen it. I said I was on season 2 and she didn’t know there was one. Then figured out she had watched the US version. Heartbreaking. Had to put her down.
yeah when he said that his next essay was gonna be 8 hours long I knew I had to watch the entire show the show first which I'm glad I did I just finished season 1 and it did not dissapoint a 10/10 and a great cliffhanger
The torture scene with wilson was way worse in the original script. Wilson was strapped down and forced to watch League Of Legends, but this was too violent for British TV, and had been forced to change to something more tame.
Another dumb thing about the US remake: Jessica's tattoos. Every tattoo shop I've ever gone to requires some form of ID. Something Jessica would be waaaaaay to paranoid to have. Not to mention how they would make her much more recognizable, not something you'd want to have if you're trying to stay under the radar of a global conspiracy. Plus, fucking expensive. That's potentially several hundred dollars worth of ink on a woman who, theoretically, has never worked a job, is constantly on the move, and who is so on edge that she forgoes sex in case she has to make a break for it. But we're supposed to believe that she willingly walked into a business (possibly with CCTV,) showed a government issued ID, made an appointment, paid hundreds of dollars from her limited funds, and sat in a chair for several hours to get some leaves on her arm and calf?
Not to mention the constant upkeep you have to do after getting a tattoo to ensure it doesn’t get infected. I doubt she’d have the time to ensure that she puts some antiseptic cream on her arm or calf either. And that’s just a whole other risk for her because it could very easily cos major problems for her if it got infected.
Yes exactly, if they wanted to give her character some physical feature like that then stick and poke tattoos would make much more sense, but like you're saying that would put her at a huge risk for getting sick from infections. All in all story's shit -69/10
I'm only an hour into this video so maybe it's brought up in the video but wouldn't tattoos also be a way for people to identify her? Something she absolutely does not want
@@SiamHossain7 bet! this guy is dope. i just discovered him yesterday lol (edit: i signed up for patreon but it wasn’t him apparently? if there’s a proper link to donate post in the thread)
@@ETD bro, i suggested you checking out all his reviews on games and films and stuff along the like. he has got a knack for this, and it's a miracle how he has shrugged off his commentary past.
Something I realized about why it's a Chinese sign for "rabbit" in particular. One of the more popular myths about the rabbit in China is related to the moon goddess Chang'e. The rabbit is portrayed within the moon, brewing the elixir of immortality (preservation, human survival). As to how it got there, well, one time during the moon festival celebration all the animals were giving something to the humans and the rabbit, having nothing to offer but its own delicious flesh, threw itself into the fire so the others could eat it. For that, they were placed in the moon, in plain sight, yet always disconnected. Again, being Mr Rabbit won't get you recognition, or fame, and you won't be noted in history - it's just sacrifice after sacrifice, dedicating your entire being to the cause and letting others feed off of it. One more way the network sees itself as martyrs, to bring salvation to the world through the ultimate sacrifice, which they view as noble.
Pyro is like every english teacher ever: "Her outfit can be interprated as her personality" "him not being able to close the door shows he has no control over his life" I'm acctually amazed by pyro noticing these little details, it's like art
Pyro said that he probably will not do another video as long as this again, he enjoyed the process but it's way too long and it's what kept him from making videos due to his mindset, he made this video in 3 months and that's constant working. Do I hope he makes a video like this again? Fuck yeah, will it happen? We'll never know
I think he’s just covering his face from getting blood on it lol. I think it’s meant to show how used to killing he is and how depersonalized he’s become from it
With the UK network, I would be afraid of them breaking into my house I broad daylight, killing me, and making it look like I was suicidal the whole time, leaving without giving it a 2nd thought. With the US network, I’d be afraid of them ratioing me on Twitter.
I'm 4.5 hours in, I didn't mean to watch so much in one go but I've been watching alongside doing a shit load of cleaning / organising and I can't put it down. Seeing this comment made me chuckle, I'm approaching the danger zone.
The american remake is very deep. US Wilson's lost eye is the opposite one from UK Wilson, this symbolizes how the British drive on the opposite side of the road compared to America.
I mean tbf, that bit of analogy probably would’ve needed an entire room full of writers and philosophers because it would require more than 10 brain cells to create any subtlety or hidden meaning.
Paul Ready as Lee is maybe my favourite performance of the show. He is so terrifying, but so charming. Completely honest about his motives and his psychopathy, even admits he's afraid of Pietre. Cold, efficient and pragmatic
Pyro has literally alpha male mentality: -Doesn't upload anything for 3 months. -Drops a massive ass 8 hours long video. -Goes in his bathtub again for another 3-5 months.
One thing I noticed about Pietre is that you never see him blink onscreen (maybe I missed a few but as far as I’m aware he doesn’t) showing he’s simply unfazed by literally anything that happens to him. It’s such a small, insignificant detail that adds so much to his character.
One *notable* time when he blinks is Season 2, Episode 2, and it's *hilarious.* The "reunion" of Lee and Arby. They're seated at the table (quinoa, ha ha), and Lee says, "Nothing's over. They're starting up again. And I know things. Example: I know they want *you*"... (Arby blinks twice here)... "for a job." That whole Arby and Lee reunion scene is my favorite scene in the entire series. Brillance from start to finish.
@@Crow_Mauler_ ok but I feel like that could’ve worked as maybe a rebirth for him, with him coming back to life and finally coming to grips with his past, and therefore blinking now too, but we never got a season 3 so who knows?
Well they did same thing with derk gentlys holistic agency it had 2 one of the best seasons but bbc cancelled it low show rating but when it got on Netflix people wanted 3rd season but couldn't since more than 4 years past
Honestly the season 2 ending was satisfying. Bleak but satisfying. Imo fit the tone of the show really well. Was brutal tho imma need to watch only wholesome shows for the next two weeks to detox
The fact that the US version unironically has the Rabbit say, “We did it! We created a monster!” legitimately sounds like self-parody. Like, holy shit, you might as well have one of the fucking Harvest members tap their fingers together like Mr. Burns and say, “Ah yes, our evil plan is coming together!” That’s so incompetently unsubtle
@@bandawin18 As an Aussie, this is actually something I've noticed. When you see a good American version of a tv show, you can almost 100% guarantee that you will get a less bloated, more witty, less over-explained version from the Brits.
I just realised that there is a slight parallel between mythological god, Odin and Wilson. The parallel being that Odin sacrificed his eye for all knowledge while Wilson had his eye taken for knowledge of who truly leads the world
wilson is definitely the most interesting character. how can someone go from a conspiracist hiding in his dads attic, erasing himself from the internet to leading the conspiracy and cutting himself like that, fully sacrificing himself to the cause and becoming a merciless killer?? and then make it COMPLETELY REASONABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE???? such an interesting development, wish we got to see it in a 3rd season
What's neat is that he is arguably the best possible heir for Mr. Rabbit, since he basically has no identity on the Internet, he essentially doesn't exist.
@@StrikeWarlock so true! Plus anyone who probably knew him in person is either dead or captured by him. He very much became Mr. Rabbit in the end and I love his character. I wish we got to see how much worse he would have gotten compared to Milner
@@dragondog1017 the only people that know he exists is his dad, and the main group, his dead is dead in the gutter and the group is still under The Network Custody. So yeah, unless Wilson has friends (which I think he doesn't considering he lives in an attic).
fucking same. I started yesterday evening when he just posted it and had to finish it today. Man, I even dreamt about this show without even watching it myself.
one thing im disappointed that this show doesnt actually (seemingly) interrogate is ecofascism - a very niche environmentalist belief that can perfectly describe the beliefs the network was founded on. ecofascism purely believes that overpopulation is, in and of itself, the issue, and fails to acknowledge global and systemic issues of distribution and wealth. you could say that the network has just enough influence to do what they do in the show, but not enough to actually rework global distribution systems or implement clean energy globally - however, milner has direct access to hundreds of billions in wealth, as shown by the scene where she explains V day to jeff. so a discussion of what kind of person would choose to sterilise a world instead of improving it would be nice. and i do think its more in milners character to choose the former - but a diagetic investigation of that fact would be really engaging, and could maybe open the series up to seeing what kinds of people would CHOOSE the former over the latter as well.
Why would they criticise their current real world process of far left ecofascism 😂 that's like letting the system/network to investigate itself naivety abounds all around me I swear.
The show isn't meant to spoonfeed people sociopolitical philosophies or motives, it's simply showcasing them at an extravagant scale, and letting the viewer come to conclusions about the underlying personalities and philosophies of the different characters. It's literally spoken out loud multiple times within the show "there are no sides, only people who help you, and people who don't". The water is much murkier than political labels. This is the biggest problem with the American adaptation, and most current day hollywood productions in general. They just can't help but treat viewers like thoughtless sheeple, incapable of thinking critically and reading between the lines. They spoonfeed, over explain, and exposition dump every bit of information to make sure even a mosquito could follow along the plot. It's just horrible writing, all with real modern political and racial narratives pumped in and manipulating/altering the intended moral, because if you don't have your ethnic minority and LGBTQ+ and neoliberal socialist virtues front and centre in your project, Hollywood just won't fund or respect you or your work.
I see what you mean, but I don't think that's necessary. Either suspension of belief or people can think about it themselves, the show already leads into that conversation topic
There is a lot left to explore. Shame UK version stopped. The layers of command and control, pulling the strings. Wilson's arc is fantastic. Refreshing to see long view humanity on the screen.
im actually quite glad that i found the US version.. i thought the idea was great but the execution sucked so i searched for videos explaining how shit the US show actually is and i found a comparison video and fell in love instantly with the UK version
omg i was trying to watch it and clicked on the US version instead of the UK one for an episode and a half I was so confused why Pyro made an 8 hour video on it
I just finished the whole video. I seriously have an immense amount of respect for Pyro as a content creator, like I really hope everyone watching understands the genuine talent needed to be able to do what Pyro has managed to do with this video. I think this might be one of the greatest videos I've ever watched and that's me being 100% genuine. You've smashed it man
I watch it for third time now :D its great really.... The details on start and the fact that he talks about characters as he did not even know outcome yet...
Jessica’s US version really bothers me after seeing the UK version. Beyond just making her less likeable or understandable the performance really misses the mark. In the UK version the actor did an amazing job making her feel like an out of place outcast, she was cold, unpredictable and had this strange alien quality to her speech and movements. Then the US version comes along and just feels like an edgy cool girl that gets added to every other show. Absolutely fantastic.
I agree, not to mention they are depicted as not like normal, quirky, cool and edgy and it ruins their writing it's disappointing how common this poor writing is in most female American characters to make them "badass". (Hopefully I wrote this whole thing right)
10 years later, it would be really cool if they made a season 3 where over the years, Wilson's been rebuilding the plan and solidifying himself as just as much of a force as Milner was, Grant and Alice growing up and being sucked back into the life, etc.
Idk how he does it but the pacing is actually impeccable. I can’t imagine watching a one hour review on anything but there’s something pyrocynical does that makes a 7 3/4 hour review not only bearable but enjoyable
@@theyescapedtheweightofdarkness yes I agree after the UK version and the plot twists and everything coming together like making a amazing dish starting with a Mizan plus I just got bored and I’m rewatching also another great thing is that in the UK version it’s one of those rare shows where everything is done well,filmatogrophy,composition,writing and theratical scenery
the american version was so lame and infuriating i stopped watching the video after pyro explained a bit of it. the original was a dark and depressing show full of plot twists and great characters the american version was like every teenager quirky adventure show. also making like 40% of the white characters black seems like forced wokeness
Uk: so this is a thriller dark, creepy, violent mistery about conspiracy and the government, with events based on real life consequences and philosophical horror! Us:... oh so like, a marvel movie, with quirky characters and plot-device villains! UK: n-no, there are no good and bad guys just people who help you and people who do- Us: yeah! like a Marvel movie! with love interest! and shinenigans!
I'm so fucking happy you managed to get this out without copyright strikes or claims, I'll be watching this over the next few days thank you for the content father
That's actually pretty cool. What does the US remake do? Make literal rabbits the carriers of the virus. I swear they killed off anyone in the set that proposed to be subtle in the show
@@matthewbaang8749 really? fuck those guys rabbits are good pets. also I think it's more that the general audience of America hates subtlety and slower moments. i say this as someone who has lived my entire life in America we don't usually like subtle things in our media and shows that make you think will generally be viewed much less than the "ha ha funny laugh track sitcom" or "humans are trash people let's give these horrible people fame and money for no fucking reason" I apologize on behalf of most americans honestly show writers like Vince Gillam are more an accident than the norm.
@@Crystal_Dylan yeah, if you haven't seen that part of that video, basically the group went to burn down a travelling zoo that was suspicously always there whenever the virus spread in a certain location. they gunned all animals, mostly rabbits to prevent the spread, took one with them for no reason, and made possibly the dumbest plot point in the show, by (spoilers) Jessica being bit by the infected rabbit after sticking her own finger in the cage. i don't know why they chose Jessica Hyde, the only professional in the group to do this. Also, you don't really need to apologize for Americans lacking subtlety, it ain't your fault. The US remake has a lot of faults, even without the hindsight of the UK version there are obviously terrible moments. the not-so-subtle rabbit infection was just one of them
Even though this is a nearly 8 hour long video, I keep watching every few weeks just because of how brilliant it is. Every time that montage plays at the end gives me chills and reminds of how much of a masterpiece the show was, and this video.
I don't think anyone has mentioned this, but the conflict of Wilson has been hinted at since the beginning. He's spent the last five years erasing himself from anything. The internet, banking records, licenses. He wasn't just invisible but he was an empty glass jar. His character was someone who will be heavily influenced by the course of the show. Being lied to by his friends, tortured by Lee and Arby, the death of his Father and Letts explaining what Corvadt's main goals are filled that jar. THis transformation into the antagonist at the end of the first season is sad to see, but it's 100% justified when it does happen.
ngl I wouldn't call him an antagonist, sure we are meant to see the network as bad but are they really tho? cause in this universe, maybe the network is needed, they are selfless they do not care if they die, they just wanna have the plan go down and save humanity, after all isn't doing things even if they are bad with good intention what makes a person good? idk just food for thought
I love that Mr Rabbit is named after rabbits, animals that are typically associated with mass breeding and large quantities of children, subtle irony like that is why I love this show.
I love that format, it's basically people spitting all over TH-cam's preference for short, shitty, frequent videos and saying "No, screw you, i'm gonna take all the time i need to make this beast as good as i can.".
@@sneezebiscuits7239 No, they have patreons, sponsors and china money not talking about their revenues from other videos, projects, merchs, streams or the sex shit for the females. No they're not risking anything bad to their career, they have the money and time to make this. It's far from being a "fuck you youtube"
@@hikari67 not all channels that do this content are as big as this one. Smaller channels without so many resources are really harmed by the algorithm for taking time out to make an extende project
Pyro says that Lee is in between Wilson and RB (idk how to spell his real name) on the spectrum of emotion when it comes to killing, however I would say RB is in between Wilson and Lee. Wilson doesn’t like killing, while Lee almost enjoys it. RB falls in the middle as he’s completely emotionless as he kills.
Yeah I wonder what the psychology behind that is. Why is it that I can’t get myself to watch critically acclaimed animes like cowboy beepbop yet I will gladly watch Vinesauce’s full lets play on some bootleg PS1 hack
@@JeremyBX My theory is that: 1. We enjoy learning information because it is useful to our survival, 2. The more information in more compact format the better (hence why TV is more entertaining than books as you are getting audio and visual information), 3. Someone commenting on a show is giving an extra level of information and removes the negative aspects (e.g. tension caused by suspense, disgust at violence)
@@cjlister8508 you still need a TV licence, even on All 4 it asks you to declare you have a TV licence which tbh most people just say yeah lol without even reading it but by law you're still supposed to.
my mom actually watched the american remake without knowing it was a remake, when i asked her if she wanted to watch utopia with me she said "that show sucked" so i made her sit down and watch the first episode of the british version and she got hooked, broke my heart to tell her that it got canceled
Something really cool about the show I noticed on my like 5th or 6th watch through, Donaldson does actually do the correct "nice" thing when Becky tries to humanize with him. We see from Mark Carval later that he was faking the thoraxon and really just selling her opioids, so when she asked him to just give her the pills because it was the right person thing to do, he does actually show her his own messed up kindness by throwing the opioids into the river
can't believe how they absolutely butchered Pietre in the American version, him going from a uncomfortable but efficient killer who doesn't take time in his kills (because why would he) to the exact opposite
The way Pietre was handled in the US version removed pretty much all threat from his character. The UK character was threatening because of the slow and deliberate way he spoke, and the way he slowly waddles from place to place while still catching up. The US version has pretty much none of this and the tone of his voice makes him sound like a child rather than a threatening killing machine.
I think what makes me hate him is just how he just lacks subtlety like, let’s say you are making a show and a character is christian or sumn you would think to be subtle like let’s say they are put in a situation where they have to kill or sumn, you would make them pray in silence, ask for God’s forgiveness or just anything subtle. the creator of the US version of Utopia would prob give the character a cross necklace, make them carry a bible everywhere and repeat verses from the bible just so you get it in your head that they are christian
Can we talk about the fact that Michael in the US version is literally being denied equipment and every thing he has requested but he is able to get the DNA of a dead kid that had a virus and he doesn't question this.
would be cool if channel 4 worked with Netflix more, I feel like a lot of their shit would do so well with the bigger outreach of Netflix (like end of the fucking world)
Channel 4 has some really good content. I'm from the United States so I have to find other means to watch shows via streaming services or piracy. Even the soap operas are debatably good. I just think it would be awesome if it was easier to access and more available worldwide. I think it be a good financial investment as well, for both parties.
I am so happy I watched this video. About halfway through, I paused, watch all of utopia seasons 1 and 2, then came back. it truly is the best show I have ever watched, and the soundtrack is amazing
4:27:15 i am Romanian and i just want to say that the way Marius says this line has such a tone of "40 year old Romanian man living on a farm" energy. like what he said literally translates to "ayo old man you speak Romanian?" and Phillip replies "yes i speak the Romanian language". i haven't seen the series but based on pyro's description of Marius this line and tone fits him absolutely perfectly It's also always fun to hear, as a romanian, non Romanian people fumble with â, ă, ț and such. You can tell that phillip's actor was just given a romanian line to read because he pronounces â and ă as just "a", meanwhile Marius's actor being natively Romanian can pronounce them correctly. ALSO also, Pietre translates to rocks (plural) in Romanian. if Pietre's dad could speak Romanian maybe he was actually named after rocks? think about it, Pietre is monotone, cold and doesn't show much emotion, much like a rock. just seemed a little interesting to me
In my opinion it makes sense that Phillip would talk broken Romanian, since it's not a first language. Pietre's meaning is indeed interesting, thank you for sharing!
um its kind of problematic to give masculine pronouns to good things because of the history of what men have done to women and indigenous people................
curiously, every single franchise that isnt born in USA and gets an USA redo to "appeal better to the public" becomes into an unsufrible mess which only redeeming quality comes from the "comentary" youtubers doing reactions or the "critics" youtubers roasting it to dust
Wilson's shift from a conspiracy theorist to head of the conspiracy is such a great and original curveball for character development. It's a shame that everyone was robbed of a 3rd season. I'd love to see Wilson's wrath against the main group fully realized
I also love how perfectly set up his transformation was. He's the perfect person to be Mr. Rabbit, since he's already deleted any trace of himself from the world. He already doesn't exist
I love how pyro went from mlg parodies and commentary videos to making 8 hours analysis. He is one of the few youtubers who's content actually changed for the better through out time.
I agree, like most youtubers go from doing nice little charming content to, DSMP IMPOSTER DREAM 500IQ SQUID GAME. But pyrocynical actually got better over time.
Love how the villains in this aren’t some over the top evil/black and white. There is some logic that they could actually be the good guys, and that’s the most dangerous thing about people in real life who think this way. This is something Hollywood always gets wrong.
We stan these bad guys. They are well written and they spittin straight facts and people cant stop having 4 kids for no reason even though they live in a first world country and are plenty well off. Even close family members of my own have done it. Im almost done with his season one analysis on this video but damn so far im almost with the bad guys. I wouldn’t bring this situation about myself but I wouldn’t fight it either. Its a thing I’ve been concerned about along with most scientists, especially as one in a mentally unwell state in general. The way they go about it isn’t okay but if something like this naturally occurred without shooting hundreds of random people for no reason and possibly a genetic mutation or something we cant even really be mad at that point. Edit: nvm the whole nazi shit is wack definitely don’t stan HOW/WHAT they’re saying/doing for these things… if you’re going to prevent humans from breeding you shouldn’t be able to select WHO does get to reproduce. It’s still 500mil ppl. Even if some bad diseases get left in the genome thats NATURE. Granted, you want to make sure all 500mil don’t ALL have crippling genetic problems but otherwise it needs to be almost if not entirely pure random.
The color palette in the UK version feels so distinct. The deeply saturated colors just gives you the feels and kind of misleading in good way where it seems childish, yet actually violent. It also helps me focus on the characters better for some reason
finally got done watching this whole video, this is legit one of the most amazing tv series, I really wish and also hope that somehow Pyro's video gets a 3rd season to ever happen
I love the fact the villains are understandable, we are running out of resources and if it's just sterilizing people then... nobody dies, just children who wouldn't end up born, and would never have the chance to care that they never happened. It's strange to think that I do slightly agree with the bad guys here, if nobody ends up dead then who cares? also somebody uploaded the entire series on you tube, the current leading theory for why this was allowed is that the people who actually made utopia were so unbelievable pissed at amazon's catastrophic failure at making utopia again.
you do realise how miserable the last old people on earth will be? and what happens when they realise they've all been steralized. what happens to the infrastructure that was once maintained by those people. it's just not a very well thought out plan, that is unless ofcourse AI was involved to replace the manwork.
its a dumb idea lol, there is no plan for what would happen after and by looking at the history of eugenics u can kinda predict this wouldnt end well. if we lose THAT much of the population we will struggle to survive and it will just cause suffering. there will not be enough people to maintain the systems we depend on, and why would we think we wouldnt go right back to making the same bad choices that got us here in the first place? you have to fix the systems causing this, or people will just continue to live unsustainably. the fear of overpopulation is not well founded and kind of outdated, we dont have a food shortage we have surplus food that doesnt get to everyone for political and transportation reasons. if you want to do climate stalinism this is not the way to go about it lmao this is just regular eugenics
@@Patchess i count most of his videos commentary but in a different sub genre commentary vids u reffering to are like from cody/danny while these videos like petsop, far cry etc. are like TRO
Absolutely amazing to see the extraordinary amount of engagement on this, a 7.5 hour video, so long after the original series was cancelled one season too early. Could this provide a glimmer of hope for a S3 of the UK version?!
Going from the UK version to the US version is actually one of the most Jarring experiences I’ve had with a piece of art. How can the same story be told so well and then so terribly.
@@ShitpostShuster The US has produced some of the greatest films and television series of all time though, that most certainly isn't the reason. You'd think the problem is Amazon then, but then they have shows like The Boys and Invincible which perfectly emulate the source material. The Boys even being better than the source material; elevating it beyond the superhero hate porn written by the author. I think this is more of a problem with the people directly involved with writing and producing the show, they messed up.
I remember getting a Twitch ad for the US version and I was watching it thinking... hang on... this is ripping off Utopia! Then it hits me with the title card. I was disgusted. Fucking US remakes man.
@@jarlsterra American recreations of English TV more often than not go VERY wrong, there’s obviously outliers to that such as the office, but generally our subtle humour and nuanced way of conveying information doesn’t appeal to the American way of making the point very obvious which completely betrays most of the source material
Do you think the casting for Wilson went like "We need an ideal actor for this" and then Adeel Acktar just gives them a call and says "lads you're not gonna believe it"?
RIGHT, i was listening to this video as background sound and didn't notice that pyro said his actual name and not "ideal actor" and occasionally went "wow he really likes this actor huh" but i mean, either way, both names refer to him
Show cancellations are generally the most frustrating and baseless stifling of art we are privy to in the modern world. We get to see on the low end millions of dollars thrown into a project to see an idea come to life, an entire season at the least of story being established, then because sales figures are a percent lower than investors were hoping for they cancel it, leaving the story in limbo entirely by choice and abandoning the IP because if something doesn't make fast money then it is scary and might not ever make money and we all know art is no place for risks.
Yeah, no, that's idiotic. There are tons of awful, just, completely awful pieces of trash that no one watches because they are bad and which get rightfully canceled because no one watches them. Pretending every cancellation is some razor thin margin where it was only 1% lower than a suit's expected profit margin and some unjust "stifling of art" is hyperbolic rhetoric of the most hysterical kind. 90% of all "art" produced is crap. Most of it should be canceled after episode 1, the first draft, or while it's still stuck in the no-talent hack who's going to splurt it onto the world's head. Acting like audience reactions (which ARE the market solution known as ratings) are bad is elevating far too many pieces of tripe for the sake of a much, much smaller amount of decent art that goes unrecognized.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe Yeah, but then you have stuff like Infinity Train that is really good and has a big enough following, but it still gets cancelled for no real reason and there's no way to keep the story going because the copyright holders are CN.
This whole video was a masterpiece, but god the American breakdown was hard to watch after being completely enthralled on the UK side for 5 hours.. and the outro montage was an absolute incredible section.
@@Icosiheptagon I mostly agree but part of me still thinks about the timeline where David Fincher did work on the reboot. At the bare minimum it wouldnt have been even close to the trashfire we got.
I watched the first 5 hours almost in one sitting, but when the american version was discussed I took breaks constantly just not wanting to see any more of...that.
The last two hours or so where he's going over the remake fill me with such an intense rage lmao. I've never even heard of Utopia, the original or remake, until watching this and I was legit getting mad at every wrong decision they made creatively for that show lol
Jessica is the original: an emotionally conflicted, broken person who tries to fit in with the group Jessica in the remake: haha hostage taking go bang bang
Utopia: The Pyro Cut 5/5 Is consistently engaging for a staggering 7 hours, 41 minutes and 9 seconds. Has that impressive length packed with valuable resource, knowledge and humour Explains everything with ease Has clean, smooth, humorous and great editing throughout, better than most youtubers that upload 10 minute videos. Pyro put a lot of effort into this. I appreciate it 🙏 Rotten Tomatoes or IMDB would never. Pyro is a King 👑
@@spimbles well if you didn't watch the rest of it, how do you know it's not as good? Pyro tearing into shit is just good as him praising it, tho, I do agree that the story itself is better in the first half bc the topic itself is better. But the quality remains
I've never loved and hated a fictional character more than Jessica. The UK's version is so endearing and memorable, and then the US version is literally the most obnoxious, detestable and irredeemable character.
That's because the UK Jessica is a broken, damaged individual who still desperately tries in certain ways to cling to what's left of herself and her humanity. Whereas the US version is just "le crazy asshole """badass""" "
the only difference you need to know about the 2 characters is that uk jessica buys drugs as painkillers for wilson while us jessica refuses to change the bandages because "women have problem"
part of it is also the difference between a well written "strong female character" that isn't there just for show, and a garbage written "strong female character" that's just there to be a token
damn bro this video really is: ✔ Useful ✔ Enjoyable ✔ Life changing ✔ Heartwarming ✔ Informative ✔ Calming ✔ Inspiring ✔ Other for fucks sake everyone in the comment section my brain is not wired, unfortunately, I'm alive.
One thing you never pointed out is that Rabbits are known for reproducing at an extremely high rate. A diabolical villain hell-bent on making most of the population infertile dawns the monicker of an animal that makes babies like there’s no tomorrow. The irony, wether purposeful or not, is a little funny
I don’t know what possessed me to sit down and watch a 7 hour and 40 minute analysis of a TV show I’ve never heard of, but I’m very glad I did. This was super entertaining and thought provoking from start to finish!
Idk how he does it but the pacing is actually impeccable. I can’t imagine watching a one hour review on anything but there’s something pyrocynical does that makes a 7 3/4 hour review not only bearable but enjoyable
This video was my first and only experience with Utopia. I’ve only known about this series for 72 hours and I’m fucking devastated that there’s no season 3.
I counted it, and there were 14 things pyro liked or at least "didn't mind" in the US utopia - Intro Music - The resourcefulness of Grant in ep1 - US RB imitating Pietré's signature firing pose in ep1 - The scene where Sterns fails to slam the door in ep2 - Sterns failed bluff about the CDC in ep3 - Police scanner in RB's room, ep5 - RB gunning down all the police in ep5 - RB stepping on his raisins in ep6 - Stern's having nowhere to put his drink in the show home in ep6 - the character of Lily, ep6 - Lily's internal conflict in ep7 - Jessica's conversation with Becky in ep7 - The jogger RB lets run off comes back to shoot him in ep8
Anyway, "RB gunning down all the police" is not true, as far as I remember, Pyro would have prefered if RB disguised as one of the officers while the officers slowly figure it out.
I'm just going to say it. I know you said it would be 8 hours long. And I don't think prior knowledge can quite adequately prepare someone for a video showing up in their subscriptions with 7:41:00 in the bloody timeslot. Incredible man. You've REALLY Mastered the art of stretching a video past the 10 minute point huh? I respect it.
the original utopia is the best show ive ever seen, you start off routing for the "good" guys and by the end your whole world view has shifted as you look at yourself wondering if youre the "bad" guy. 11/10 would question mass sterilisation again
@@benmxiley_5606 The problem with the Network for me is that overpopulation isn't really an issue. Humanity produces plenty of food, there is plenty of space, with renewables energy also won't be a problem, population growth rates have been collapsing for a while (with Africa being the last region to experience it). At most, it's a regional issue, where some countries are more overpopulated than others. I think the real problem is how we distribute our resources. All the food produced that isn't sold is thrown out and destroyed, because it isn't profitable to redistribute it to the needy. Climate change can may be tied to population, but fixing that by mass sterilization seems like the wrong solution for this problem.
@@dogenasus1717 I just think it's because Utopia is like an alternate reality of our world where companies doesn't know overconsumption of resources is bad.
@@dogenasus1717 We can also make food way more efficiently with more labor, but don't because we don't need to. Centuries ago almost every human was a farmer, nowadays a small percentage is able to feed everyone.
Another thing I noticed which seems to be the root of a lot of it's issues is how the American version seems to refuse to portray the actual US government as being one with the bad guys. In the UK version, the British government and the corporations were intertwined, both of their political and/or promotional systems based on what the network wanted. But here, we see that the US government is like completely innocent and like tricked rather than being just another pawn in the Harvest's chess game. It's pretty scummy, reeks of American exceptionalism which is weird cause it's a fucking conspiracy show, and also ruins a lot of plot points. Also that and making Jessica just a straight up villain who like you end up hating more than anyone else in the series
All of the best american-centric conspiracy theories place the US government at the center of some globoX agenda or somesuch shit. Sounds like they probably just didn't want to do something terribly insulting like raise the concept of the US government being corrupt to a dedicated patriot (guantanamo bay is the only appropriate price to pay)
@@GlobstersMessenger as an American I agree, we’re not supposed to praise the US government, in fact the opposite were supposed to criticize the gov any moment we get and praise the people of America, as the people are what make America, America.
1:43:00 I think R.B.'s "don't look" shooting style may have actually evolved out of that. The actor tries the firearm out and flinches, and thinks of how *a child* would deal with the stimuli shock, let alone the horror of looking at someone you are killing. He's been doing this since he was a kid, his whole *assassination style* is something a kid would need to do: walk right up to someone unsuspecting, get up close and turn away from the loud bang, then leave the area --and suppress that trauma!-- Doesn't need to suppress it since he's numb to it... though they establish the character didn't really *like* doing it, and had a constant inner struggle over it. "Turning a blind eye" to the murders he commits, literally, seems pretty fitting.
@@solderfumes true! He wouldn't need to suppress it since he's numb to it... though they establish the character didn't really *like* doing it, and had a constant inner struggle over it. "Turning a blind eye" to the murders he commits, literally, seems pretty fitting.
Watching a 1 and a half hour movie: nooo… it’s too long I don’t have the time Watching a 8 hour long analysis of a show I never have and never will watch: 😍
A lot of the fear in the original comes from ambiguity. The fear of having a man you don't know ask questions about a woman you don't know, slowly and painfully. We don't get that as the audience in the US remake. We know who Jessica Hide is, and so there's no fear there. In addition, I think that the US version lacks a lot of the sophistication that the villains have. Lee and Pietre are so frightening because they are cold, emotionless, and methodical. Always very calm and clean. US Rod and Arby are nothing like this.
** MAJOR SPOILER ** Just finished watching this again after watching the show and I realised something. Wilson in the beginning tells the group about wiping every bit of info about him on the web, making him "invisible". I take this as foreshadowing him becoming Mr Rabbit since Milner did the same thing by killing all those people who had seen her.
I wish this comment wasn't so high up. I was only an hour in when I saw it, and it spoiled the next 6 hours for me. It's fine to post, just very unfortunate placement in the comments section.
i love how they forecasted Wilson's progression and his demise into what he became when he said that over 5 years he wiped all traces of himself, becoming a perfect Rabbit, someone with no trace or previous history in a world where everything is logged, i didnt even realise it until my second watch.
The response to this video has been amazing thank you all so much. Definitely going to focus on more long form content in the future.
I've seen loads of people that actually want to watch the show themselves without my commentary. The show is notoriously hard to get hold of without major cuts and the aspect ratio being messed with.
The easiest way is to get season 1 and 2 on amazon video make sure to only click the ones with the channel 4 watermark and blue banner. The britbox version has been heavily censored.
This only works for people in the UK. Even a VPN won't work as it'll decline your payment if you try to buy it overseas.
For everyone else it's a bit more tricky. It is on amazon but it's been heavily edited, with scenes cut and the aspect ratio messed with so everything looks more zoomed in, going against the entire point of the cinematography.
If you have a VPN you can set your region to the UK and then search to buy the channel 4 version of Utopia from the TH-cam store. I bought it myself to test it and the aspect ratio is the same and the scenes are uncut. It's the best version you can get outside of the UK legally.
The Utopia subreddit has a post explaining how to watch it untampered if you don't live in the UK. I think they're going to be more active again since this video's been released. I'll update this post if I get any more information.
www.reddit.com/r/utopiatv/comments/j1efu8/how_to_watch_the_original_show_uncut/
TL;DR UK > US + ratio
LOVE YOU PYRO
Also haha first reply i need to sleep for school but im gonna finish this
Sup
Awesome work man.
GREAT VIDEO BRO👌🏾
This vid is godlike, thanks man.
I told my sister that I was watching a show called Utopia and she told me she had seen it. I said I was on season 2 and she didn’t know there was one. Then figured out she had watched the US version. Heartbreaking. Had to put her down.
Keeping the Gene Pool clean, well done.
@@andrepfennig9534 a step closer to Utopia
You're doing gods work...
There will be no Trace
Man, im sorry for your sister. But you did the right thing, Solider.
Because of the length you kinda have to watch the whole thing because you gotta know what possesses a man to dedicate his life to 12 episodes of tv
and that is the killian experience
Killian you are my favorite dark souls lore youtuber
Make a video where you repeat the word "Nuts" 176 times.
yeah when he said that his next essay was gonna be 8 hours long I knew I had to watch the entire show the show first which I'm glad I did I just finished season 1 and it did not dissapoint a 10/10 and a great cliffhanger
I can't wait to add this show to my backlog and then take 8 months to finally watch it.
Are you going to add the official talk show too
Same
Love u too
SPHERE GUY
Andrew what are you doing here
fun fact; the reason British child actors are so good at acting in drama is because they have experience from being British their whole lives
Their so good at it because its all theyve ever known lol
top 10 times actors weren't acting
Hahaha omg you're so funny
@@ryanelcock948Yes,he is.
Ah yes the horrors of living in the 1st world country, and one of the richest at that
Just joking lmao UK is a shithole n fkin sucks balls
The torture scene with wilson was way worse in the original script. Wilson was strapped down and forced to watch League Of Legends, but this was too violent for British TV, and had been forced to change to something more tame.
Wise words garfeldi
No he has forced to watch the US remake of utopia
He had to scroll through Twitter politics
a fate worse then death
“OH GOD NOT THE ESPORTS PLEASE”
-Wilson Wilson
Another dumb thing about the US remake: Jessica's tattoos.
Every tattoo shop I've ever gone to requires some form of ID. Something Jessica would be waaaaaay to paranoid to have. Not to mention how they would make her much more recognizable, not something you'd want to have if you're trying to stay under the radar of a global conspiracy. Plus, fucking expensive. That's potentially several hundred dollars worth of ink on a woman who, theoretically, has never worked a job, is constantly on the move, and who is so on edge that she forgoes sex in case she has to make a break for it. But we're supposed to believe that she willingly walked into a business (possibly with CCTV,) showed a government issued ID, made an appointment, paid hundreds of dollars from her limited funds, and sat in a chair for several hours to get some leaves on her arm and calf?
Not to mention the constant upkeep you have to do after getting a tattoo to ensure it doesn’t get infected. I doubt she’d have the time to ensure that she puts some antiseptic cream on her arm or calf either. And that’s just a whole other risk for her because it could very easily cos major problems for her if it got infected.
Yes exactly, if they wanted to give her character some physical feature like that then stick and poke tattoos would make much more sense, but like you're saying that would put her at a huge risk for getting sick from infections. All in all story's shit -69/10
I'm only an hour into this video so maybe it's brought up in the video but wouldn't tattoos also be a way for people to identify her? Something she absolutely does not want
They gave her tattoos cuz oOoOoOo edgy!
@@unus_3882 Memento Mori
I feel like I really should pay for this.
Patreon bro
EDIT: I stand corrected, I forgot Pyro didn't have a Patreon, buy his merch instead!!
also the full show is legally free on youtube, but I do get you're talking about this video, which is a masterpiece
@@SiamHossain7 bet! this guy is dope. i just discovered him yesterday lol (edit: i signed up for patreon but it wasn’t him apparently? if there’s a proper link to donate post in the thread)
Buy merch
@@ETD bro, i suggested you checking out all his reviews on games and films and stuff along the like. he has got a knack for this, and it's a miracle how he has shrugged off his commentary past.
Something I realized about why it's a Chinese sign for "rabbit" in particular. One of the more popular myths about the rabbit in China is related to the moon goddess Chang'e. The rabbit is portrayed within the moon, brewing the elixir of immortality (preservation, human survival). As to how it got there, well, one time during the moon festival celebration all the animals were giving something to the humans and the rabbit, having nothing to offer but its own delicious flesh, threw itself into the fire so the others could eat it. For that, they were placed in the moon, in plain sight, yet always disconnected. Again, being Mr Rabbit won't get you recognition, or fame, and you won't be noted in history - it's just sacrifice after sacrifice, dedicating your entire being to the cause and letting others feed off of it. One more way the network sees itself as martyrs, to bring salvation to the world through the ultimate sacrifice, which they view as noble.
That's interesting! Thank you.
holy shit touhou
Utopia lore is sick
@@deadxprincesschina is thousands of years older than touhou
@@SpellboundSpectre nuh uh
Pyro is like every english teacher ever:
"Her outfit can be interprated as her personality"
"him not being able to close the door shows he has no control over his life"
I'm acctually amazed by pyro noticing these little details, it's like art
I hope he does more videos like this as long as he does a couple short videos every few months
Because movies are art
@@michaelb4415 Not a movie
@@michaelb4415 not all movies are art. And this is a series.
Pyro said that he probably will not do another video as long as this again, he enjoyed the process but it's way too long and it's what kept him from making videos due to his mindset, he made this video in 3 months and that's constant working. Do I hope he makes a video like this again? Fuck yeah, will it happen? We'll never know
damn, Pyro really pushing that 10 minutes mark
smh he's really a sellout for that ad revenue
lol
8 minutes now
@@ItsRileyYT wasn't that funny relax
@@ItsRileyYT relax kid go cry
I love how Pietre just dabs on each of his victims just to flex how alive he is
Based
Imagine if he just started nae nae’ing on the dead bodies
Same
I think he’s just covering his face from getting blood on it lol. I think it’s meant to show how used to killing he is and how depersonalized he’s become from it
@@thorjacobson8122 wooosh
With the UK network, I would be afraid of them breaking into my house I broad daylight, killing me, and making it look like I was suicidal the whole time, leaving without giving it a 2nd thought. With the US network, I’d be afraid of them ratioing me on Twitter.
i feel like getting rationed is almost worse than getting killed tbh
@@echolight6272 People who don't have Twitter:
-What the Fuck is a ratio?
@@sued_ the word ratio has bled into almost every other social media. Most people who don't like Twitter's environment tend to avoid it though.
This is not the petscop 2 we asked for but the one we needed
Yes
@ThyPeasantSlayer its already confirmed he WONT do petscop 2 because he feels like it wont live up to the original petscop video
Hello Mr. Starcat
So Petscop 2?
Petscop 2
First 6 hours: 2 sittings
Last 2 hours: 7 sittings
My own personal experience
I'm 3 hours in, the American version that bad?
@@gearyt2355 yes
@@gearyt2355
No.
Its worse.
I'm 4.5 hours in, I didn't mean to watch so much in one go but I've been watching alongside doing a shit load of cleaning / organising and I can't put it down. Seeing this comment made me chuckle, I'm approaching the danger zone.
pretty much same
The american remake is very deep. US Wilson's lost eye is the opposite one from UK Wilson, this symbolizes how the British drive on the opposite side of the road compared to America.
Godamn you, made me laugh British jokes are my weakness
Deeper than his eye socket
based pfp!
Bravo Vince!!
I mean tbf, that bit of analogy probably would’ve needed an entire room full of writers and philosophers because it would require more than 10 brain cells to create any subtlety or hidden meaning.
Paul Ready as Lee is maybe my favourite performance of the show. He is so terrifying, but so charming. Completely honest about his motives and his psychopathy, even admits he's afraid of Pietre. Cold, efficient and pragmatic
post nerve damage glow up
and also because yellow
Right? Like he comes off as an average charmer who’s secretly done horrible things
It’s an interesting character instead of outright evil
Agree, didn't even make the actor connection watching motherland because he's just so vastly different in it!
Pyro has literally alpha male mentality:
-Doesn't upload anything for 3 months.
-Drops a massive ass 8 hours long video.
-Goes in his bathtub again for another 3-5 months.
TH-cam then proceeds to send one of its Network agents... :)
he’s gonna be horribly wrinkled
holy shit the rabbit bite makes me want to kill myself theres so much wrong
Kolto tank*
*drops 7 hour video, refuses to elaborate*
Sigma mindset
it’s incredible to make a video nearly 8 hours long that millions of people click on to watch, good shit man
yeah cdtv!
Do a drain reaction cdtv
W been watching you and pyro since 2016
the hacks that make dogshit retrospectives could learn a thing or two here
Hey I recognize that guy!
One thing I noticed about Pietre is that you never see him blink onscreen (maybe I missed a few but as far as I’m aware he doesn’t) showing he’s simply unfazed by literally anything that happens to him. It’s such a small, insignificant detail that adds so much to his character.
5:36:58
One *notable* time when he blinks is Season 2, Episode 2, and it's *hilarious.* The "reunion" of Lee and Arby. They're seated at the table (quinoa, ha ha), and Lee says, "Nothing's over. They're starting up again. And I know things. Example: I know they want *you*"... (Arby blinks twice here)... "for a job." That whole Arby and Lee reunion scene is my favorite scene in the entire series. Brillance from start to finish.
@@Griwhoolda I guess this kinda shows how through the show he slowly but surely becomes more and more human and "normal"
@@Crow_Mauler_ ok but I feel like that could’ve worked as maybe a rebirth for him, with him coming back to life and finally coming to grips with his past, and therefore blinking now too, but we never got a season 3 so who knows?
3:37:22
...THIS was CANCELLED????
I am so fucking disappointed.
wel fucking come
Well they did same thing with derk gentlys holistic agency it had 2 one of the best seasons but bbc cancelled it low show rating but when it got on Netflix people wanted 3rd season but couldn't since more than 4 years past
Honestly the season 2 ending was satisfying. Bleak but satisfying. Imo fit the tone of the show really well.
Was brutal tho imma need to watch only wholesome shows for the next two weeks to detox
@@cawsomeaolin any minute now
8 seasons of big mouth, keep that in mind.
The fact that the US version unironically has the Rabbit say, “We did it! We created a monster!” legitimately sounds like self-parody. Like, holy shit, you might as well have one of the fucking Harvest members tap their fingers together like Mr. Burns and say, “Ah yes, our evil plan is coming together!” That’s so incompetently unsubtle
Thank you from someone who was sure they had seen this show but was completely confused by the "different cast" lol.
As a US resident, I'm sorry my country fucks up good British shows(especially the inbetweeners)
that's American tv in a nut shell, everything is spoon fed in a condescending manner like the average person is a dribbling mouth breather.
@@bushiido8494 it's quite insulting too, it's how basically every big budget show or movie is made here though
@@bandawin18 As an Aussie, this is actually something I've noticed. When you see a good American version of a tv show, you can almost 100% guarantee that you will get a less bloated, more witty, less over-explained version from the Brits.
Pyro is gonna break all records of watch time
true true
Hopefully, anyways I’ll take the honors of saying “sup checkmark”
@@IOSIRIS They have a name you know
Can't believe it's at 2.8 mil and it's for a 7 hour fucking video. I'd love to know the statistics on this vid. Great video essay as always by pyro
@@orang9134 I’m just acting like people who go around and only comment “sup checkmark “ just to jest them
I feel like pyro just has hundreds of random clips of games he’s played and is desperately trying to find a place to put them
definitely
Pretty much me with my lame ass drone videos
Honestly probably
@@StrikeWarlock that's not gonna make people watch, I hope
100%
I just realised that there is a slight parallel between mythological god, Odin and Wilson. The parallel being that Odin sacrificed his eye for all knowledge while Wilson had his eye taken for knowledge of who truly leads the world
damn
wilson is definitely the most interesting character. how can someone go from a conspiracist hiding in his dads attic, erasing himself from the internet to leading the conspiracy and cutting himself like that, fully sacrificing himself to the cause and becoming a merciless killer?? and then make it COMPLETELY REASONABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE???? such an interesting development, wish we got to see it in a 3rd season
What's neat is that he is arguably the best possible heir for Mr. Rabbit, since he basically has no identity on the Internet, he essentially doesn't exist.
@@StrikeWarlock so true! Plus anyone who probably knew him in person is either dead or captured by him. He very much became Mr. Rabbit in the end and I love his character. I wish we got to see how much worse he would have gotten compared to Milner
The third season is just real life mate...
Wilson is scary because he puts his beliefs over his own life and the life of others.
@@dragondog1017 the only people that know he exists is his dad, and the main group, his dead is dead in the gutter and the group is still under The Network Custody. So yeah, unless Wilson has friends (which I think he doesn't considering he lives in an attic).
the madlad did it, he managed to upload it!
Took him 3 years just to upload lol
Love you gromek
I mean its worth it
Looks like a good video for how far I watched
yoooo gromek
Play mordhau
I did it, I finished the entire video.
And somehow i was glued to the screen the entire time. Well fucking done.
Same here
Hello mr mordhau guy I hope you're doing well :)
5 hours and 40 min in and im so sad that it ended on a cliffhanger lol
Same here
fucking same. I started yesterday evening when he just posted it and had to finish it today. Man, I even dreamt about this show without even watching it myself.
one thing im disappointed that this show doesnt actually (seemingly) interrogate is ecofascism - a very niche environmentalist belief that can perfectly describe the beliefs the network was founded on.
ecofascism purely believes that overpopulation is, in and of itself, the issue, and fails to acknowledge global and systemic issues of distribution and wealth. you could say that the network has just enough influence to do what they do in the show, but not enough to actually rework global distribution systems or implement clean energy globally - however, milner has direct access to hundreds of billions in wealth, as shown by the scene where she explains V day to jeff. so a discussion of what kind of person would choose to sterilise a world instead of improving it would be nice. and i do think its more in milners character to choose the former - but a diagetic investigation of that fact would be really engaging, and could maybe open the series up to seeing what kinds of people would CHOOSE the former over the latter as well.
Why would they criticise their current real world process of far left ecofascism 😂 that's like letting the system/network to investigate itself naivety abounds all around me I swear.
The show isn't meant to spoonfeed people sociopolitical philosophies or motives, it's simply showcasing them at an extravagant scale, and letting the viewer come to conclusions about the underlying personalities and philosophies of the different characters. It's literally spoken out loud multiple times within the show "there are no sides, only people who help you, and people who don't". The water is much murkier than political labels.
This is the biggest problem with the American adaptation, and most current day hollywood productions in general. They just can't help but treat viewers like thoughtless sheeple, incapable of thinking critically and reading between the lines. They spoonfeed, over explain, and exposition dump every bit of information to make sure even a mosquito could follow along the plot. It's just horrible writing, all with real modern political and racial narratives pumped in and manipulating/altering the intended moral, because if you don't have your ethnic minority and LGBTQ+ and neoliberal socialist virtues front and centre in your project, Hollywood just won't fund or respect you or your work.
I see what you mean, but I don't think that's necessary. Either suspension of belief or people can think about it themselves, the show already leads into that conversation topic
There is a lot left to explore. Shame UK version stopped. The layers of command and control, pulling the strings. Wilson's arc is fantastic. Refreshing to see long view humanity on the screen.
@@andomapletoft6509Oooooh, the left is a boogeyman because you have zero sense of nuance or critical thinking! Oooooh!
Feeling bad for the people that were subjected to watching the amazon US version of the show rn
Literally everybody is watching this video what the hell
im actually quite glad that i found the US version.. i thought the idea was great but the execution sucked so i searched for videos explaining how shit the US show actually is and i found a comparison video and fell in love instantly with the UK version
The original is on Amazon too you just have to have two working neurons to find it
omg i was trying to watch it and clicked on the US version instead of the UK one for an episode and a half I was so confused why Pyro made an 8 hour video on it
Honestly after watching this amazingly long (but still worth watching) video I can't believe how much the US Amazon version took a complete 180
I just finished the whole video. I seriously have an immense amount of respect for Pyro as a content creator, like I really hope everyone watching understands the genuine talent needed to be able to do what Pyro has managed to do with this video. I think this might be one of the greatest videos I've ever watched and that's me being 100% genuine. You've smashed it man
I watch it for third time now :D its great really.... The details on start and the fact that he talks about characters as he did not even know outcome yet...
im watching it for the second time starting now, dont worry, i understand its value
Sadly, the American ver is so bad, pyro barely make it interesting for me. But I would rewatch the first 5h non stop if I could
hello osm
Skill and brains* not talent
Jessica’s US version really bothers me after seeing the UK version. Beyond just making her less likeable or understandable the performance really misses the mark. In the UK version the actor did an amazing job making her feel like an out of place outcast, she was cold, unpredictable and had this strange alien quality to her speech and movements. Then the US version comes along and just feels like an edgy cool girl that gets added to every other show.
Absolutely fantastic.
I agree, not to mention they are depicted as not like normal, quirky, cool and edgy and it ruins their writing it's disappointing how common this poor writing is in most female American characters to make them "badass". (Hopefully I wrote this whole thing right)
ikr the american version annoyed me so much
Agreed, even if you considered the UK unlikeable, everything she did, she did for a reason and it made sense
That's American TV for "young adults" in general
@@breadbag9487 It's exactly right. It's like it's written by women that have never met another woman.
10 years later, it would be really cool if they made a season 3 where over the years, Wilson's been rebuilding the plan and solidifying himself as just as much of a force as Milner was, Grant and Alice growing up and being sucked back into the life, etc.
"I wanted to let you know you were loved, cuz I wasn't..."
God my fucking heart can't take much more of Arby and his loveless life.
RB
Petrie
john
You're all wankers.
RB: refrigerator broke :(
Idk how he does it but the pacing is actually impeccable. I can’t imagine watching a one hour review on anything but there’s something pyrocynical does that makes a 7 3/4 hour review not only bearable but enjoyable
I feel like I was getting a little bored when the American show came around, mostly because it's abysmal and it's not really pyro's fault
@@theyescapedtheweightofdarkness yea same that was my stopping point, I just picked it back up today. But I enjoyed the whole 7 hours
@@theyescapedtheweightofdarkness yes I agree after the UK version and the plot twists and everything coming together like making a amazing dish starting with a Mizan plus I just got bored and I’m rewatching also another great thing is that in the UK version it’s one of those rare shows where everything is done well,filmatogrophy,composition,writing and theratical scenery
Bang on
the american version was so lame and infuriating i stopped watching the video after pyro explained a bit of it.
the original was a dark and depressing show full of plot twists and great characters
the american version was like every teenager quirky adventure show. also making like 40% of the white characters black seems like forced wokeness
“The best (and worst) show”
Me: that doesn’t make sense
“There’s a US remake”
Me: oh ok now it makes sense
we suck at tv
@@hoplul and the UK version was the best because it knew when to fucking end
saving funniest parts in case i come back trying to find it
1)3:00:49
2)3:04:54
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I thought he meant the themes of the show and how dark it was until I saw the timestamps for the US versions lol.
Us Americans, ruining art at every turn.
Uk: so this is a thriller dark, creepy, violent mistery about conspiracy and the government, with events based on real life consequences and philosophical horror!
Us:... oh so like, a marvel movie, with quirky characters and plot-device villains!
UK: n-no, there are no good and bad guys just people who help you and people who do-
Us: yeah! like a Marvel movie! with love interest! and shinenigans!
Totally worth it - Whole video was 10/10.
Stream mal lieber
Schnauze rewi
i’m almost done
True ist aber anders random dich zu sehn wtf
was ist eigentlich mit Alphastein passiert
I'm so fucking happy you managed to get this out without copyright strikes or claims, I'll be watching this over the next few days
thank you for the content father
Yet…
My fav spooktober TH-camr let's go
download the video just in case
God youre late to this
Anyone know why there's no ad in this video
Just realized that Mr. Rabbit may be an ironic name as Rabbits are known to, well, reproduce a lot
Dang never thought of dat
That's actually pretty cool. What does the US remake do? Make literal rabbits the carriers of the virus. I swear they killed off anyone in the set that proposed to be subtle in the show
Alice in Wonderland imagery
@@matthewbaang8749 really? fuck those guys rabbits are good pets. also I think it's more that the general audience of America hates subtlety and slower moments. i say this as someone who has lived my entire life in America we don't usually like subtle things in our media and shows that make you think will generally be viewed much less than the "ha ha funny laugh track sitcom" or "humans are trash people let's give these horrible people fame and money for no fucking reason" I apologize on behalf of most americans honestly show writers like Vince Gillam are more an accident than the norm.
@@Crystal_Dylan yeah, if you haven't seen that part of that video, basically the group went to burn down a travelling zoo that was suspicously always there whenever the virus spread in a certain location. they gunned all animals, mostly rabbits to prevent the spread, took one with them for no reason, and made possibly the dumbest plot point in the show, by (spoilers) Jessica being bit by the infected rabbit after sticking her own finger in the cage. i don't know why they chose Jessica Hyde, the only professional in the group to do this. Also, you don't really need to apologize for Americans lacking subtlety, it ain't your fault. The US remake has a lot of faults, even without the hindsight of the UK version there are obviously terrible moments. the not-so-subtle rabbit infection was just one of them
Even though this is a nearly 8 hour long video, I keep watching every few weeks just because of how brilliant it is. Every time that montage plays at the end gives me chills and reminds of how much of a masterpiece the show was, and this video.
I don't think anyone has mentioned this, but the conflict of Wilson has been hinted at since the beginning. He's spent the last five years erasing himself from anything. The internet, banking records, licenses. He wasn't just invisible but he was an empty glass jar. His character was someone who will be heavily influenced by the course of the show. Being lied to by his friends, tortured by Lee and Arby, the death of his Father and Letts explaining what Corvadt's main goals are filled that jar. THis transformation into the antagonist at the end of the first season is sad to see, but it's 100% justified when it does happen.
ye
The jar was filled?😳
and that was the moment Wilson became Heisenberg
@@matteofaccin6636 *_no_*
ngl I wouldn't call him an antagonist, sure we are meant to see the network as bad but are they really tho? cause in this universe, maybe the network is needed, they are selfless they do not care if they die, they just wanna have the plan go down and save humanity, after all isn't doing things even if they are bad with good intention what makes a person good? idk just food for thought
I love that Mr Rabbit is named after rabbits, animals that are typically associated with mass breeding and large quantities of children, subtle irony like that is why I love this show.
HOLY SHIT wow I didn't even notice that
Also the idea of "falling down the rabbit hole"
@@TheAstroProblem yeah, damn so many hidden meanings
They named it after Rayman raving rabbids the hit video game
Dam, didn't even fuckin thought about it
"Insanely long essays that took months to make" are becoming my favourite kind of TH-cam video.
Indeed, some of the best vids out therr
I love that format, it's basically people spitting all over TH-cam's preference for short, shitty, frequent videos and saying "No, screw you, i'm gonna take all the time i need to make this beast as good as i can.".
@@sneezebiscuits7239 No, they have patreons, sponsors and china money not talking about their revenues from other videos, projects, merchs, streams or the sex shit for the females.
No they're not risking anything bad to their career, they have the money and time to make this. It's far from being a "fuck you youtube"
@@hikari67 not all channels that do this content are as big as this one. Smaller channels without so many resources are really harmed by the algorithm for taking time out to make an extende project
bald man in stained coat destroying people's reputation is mine
Pyro says that Lee is in between Wilson and RB (idk how to spell his real name) on the spectrum of emotion when it comes to killing, however I would say RB is in between Wilson and Lee. Wilson doesn’t like killing, while Lee almost enjoys it. RB falls in the middle as he’s completely emotionless as he kills.
Me:
“I don’t really watch tv, I don’t have the attention span or the free time.”
Also me:
*watches this entire video”
Yeah I wonder what the psychology behind that is. Why is it that I can’t get myself to watch critically acclaimed animes like cowboy beepbop yet I will gladly watch Vinesauce’s full lets play on some bootleg PS1 hack
in one go?
@@JeremyBX My theory is that: 1. We enjoy learning information because it is useful to our survival, 2. The more information in more compact format the better (hence why TV is more entertaining than books as you are getting audio and visual information), 3. Someone commenting on a show is giving an extra level of information and removes the negative aspects (e.g. tension caused by suspense, disgust at violence)
took me 3 days to watch it. But i did... and it was worth every god damn second
Cowboy Bepop is great. Watch it when you get around to it. My only complaint is that I need more of it :(
I basically just watched this whole show, and I didn't even pay a tellie license
@@cjlister8508 you still need a TV licence, even on All 4 it asks you to declare you have a TV licence which tbh most people just say yeah lol without even reading it but by law you're still supposed to.
A tchellie loicense ol’ chap??
@@Grelpo-gen LMAO
i cant believe you've done this
simple as
my mom actually watched the american remake without knowing it was a remake, when i asked her if she wanted to watch utopia with me she said "that show sucked"
so i made her sit down and watch the first episode of the british version and she got hooked, broke my heart to tell her that it got canceled
Something really cool about the show I noticed on my like 5th or 6th watch through, Donaldson does actually do the correct "nice" thing when Becky tries to humanize with him. We see from Mark Carval later that he was faking the thoraxon and really just selling her opioids, so when she asked him to just give her the pills because it was the right person thing to do, he does actually show her his own messed up kindness by throwing the opioids into the river
can't believe how they absolutely butchered Pietre in the American version, him going from a uncomfortable but efficient killer who doesn't take time in his kills (because why would he) to the exact opposite
Bad writer? Bad production overall? Bad acting? All of the above?
Who knows!?
Least he killed an E-Girl in the penthouse
@im ded what’s the name of the show again?
Americans
*an
The way Pietre was handled in the US version removed pretty much all threat from his character. The UK character was threatening because of the slow and deliberate way he spoke, and the way he slowly waddles from place to place while still catching up. The US version has pretty much none of this and the tone of his voice makes him sound like a child rather than a threatening killing machine.
Nice pfp
@@BillyBlock17 nice pfp
all hail the boognish my friend
I think what makes me hate him is just how he just lacks subtlety
like, let’s say you are making a show and a character is christian or sumn
you would think to be subtle like let’s say they are put in a situation where they have to kill or sumn, you would make them pray in silence, ask for God’s forgiveness or just anything subtle.
the creator of the US version of Utopia would prob give the character a cross necklace, make them carry a bible everywhere and repeat verses from the bible just so you get it in your head that they are christian
I like if Arby in the US remake was called Peter, like pietre in the UK version, but they called JhOnnnn.
god the scenes with pietre as a child honestly fucking hurt
Stings doesn’t it
Honestly, so fucling sad. Just wish someone would have hugged him.
No cap my favorite out of all the cast. His eyes just fucking gets me every time. All he wanted was a hug from his dad and he got shot for it
@@olivia9347 it's fucking not fucling
@@Dornana wow really?
Can we talk about the fact that Michael in the US version is literally being denied equipment and every thing he has requested but he is able to get the DNA of a dead kid that had a virus and he doesn't question this.
you could say Wilson Wilson is played by the ideal actor
Oh shit didn’t expect to see you here
Oink
3 comments only?
good comment 👍
Hello there
would be cool if channel 4 worked with Netflix more, I feel like a lot of their shit would do so well with the bigger outreach of Netflix (like end of the fucking world)
Also like Top Boy.
Channel 4 has some really good content. I'm from the United States so I have to find other means to watch shows via streaming services or piracy. Even the soap operas are debatably good. I just think it would be awesome if it was easier to access and more available worldwide. I think it be a good financial investment as well, for both parties.
so what your saying is
Utopia was co-produced with Kudos. Why do people jump to Netflix, we do have other production companies.
@@nightowl8477 doesn’t have to be Netflix, but clearly Amazon should have just tried to pick it up and make a season 3 instead of the shit US version.
i think this might be the longest youtube video i have actually ever watched lol
balarke u finna make me act up😍
th-cam.com/video/vmFd12hLCuk/w-d-xo.html this is mine
th-cam.com/video/zg2Y5rxlg-M/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Whitelight
This one is pretty close
You haven’t watched what da dog doin 10 hour loop?
You are missing out!
Yeah its wierd man, me from a year ago wouldnt bother
I am so happy I watched this video. About halfway through, I paused, watch all of utopia seasons 1 and 2, then came back. it truly is the best show I have ever watched, and the soundtrack is amazing
4:27:15 i am Romanian and i just want to say that the way Marius says this line has such a tone of "40 year old Romanian man living on a farm" energy. like what he said literally translates to "ayo old man you speak Romanian?" and Phillip replies "yes i speak the Romanian language". i haven't seen the series but based on pyro's description of Marius this line and tone fits him absolutely perfectly
It's also always fun to hear, as a romanian, non Romanian people fumble with â, ă, ț and such. You can tell that phillip's actor was just given a romanian line to read because he pronounces â and ă as just "a", meanwhile Marius's actor being natively Romanian can pronounce them correctly.
ALSO also, Pietre translates to rocks (plural) in Romanian. if Pietre's dad could speak Romanian maybe he was actually named after rocks? think about it, Pietre is monotone, cold and doesn't show much emotion, much like a rock. just seemed a little interesting to me
In my opinion it makes sense that Phillip would talk broken Romanian, since it's not a first language.
Pietre's meaning is indeed interesting, thank you for sharing!
Cumetre, eu zic ca de fapt il chema Petre si nimeni nu ii pronunta numele corect
So you're romanian? name every country you hate in the Balkans (all of them)
@@pneumonianakey serbia, bosnia and herzegovina, albania, montenegro, macedonia, bulgaria, croatia, slovenia, greece, kosovo (or not i dunno)
@@livispuzzled YOU LIKE T*RKEY???????????? 🤢🤢 IMAGINE!!!!!! 🤢🤢
lets pay some respect to pyro RAM for rendering 8 hours material. he is the real hero behind the process.
or maybe sony vegas for somehow not fucking exploding
He has an editor now
@@bedstal No, this was his passionproject he made himself.
@@ylondes9927 no he literally said he worked on it with his two editors on stream
um its kind of problematic to give masculine pronouns to good things because of the history of what men have done to women and indigenous people................
The American version is basically just Jessica holds 4 people hostage, while a boardroom fails to kill America themselves.
@utachan It's shit
@utachan It’s shit
@utachan it IS shit
@utachan its quite shit
@utachan it's shit
curiously, every single franchise that isnt born in USA and gets an USA redo to "appeal better to the public" becomes into an unsufrible mess which only redeeming quality comes from the "comentary" youtubers doing reactions or the "critics" youtubers roasting it to dust
Wilson's shift from a conspiracy theorist to head of the conspiracy is such a great and original curveball for character development. It's a shame that everyone was robbed of a 3rd season. I'd love to see Wilson's wrath against the main group fully realized
is the series a cliffhanger? or is it finished
@@richardsainz4762 it was cancelled. Pyro talks about it in the video
I also love how perfectly set up his transformation was. He's the perfect person to be Mr. Rabbit, since he's already deleted any trace of himself from the world. He already doesn't exist
@@crispyhundos I never thought of that
I love how pyro went from mlg parodies and commentary videos to making 8 hours analysis. He is one of the few youtubers who's content actually changed for the better through out time.
I agree, like most youtubers go from doing nice little charming content to, DSMP IMPOSTER DREAM 500IQ SQUID GAME. But pyrocynical actually got better over time.
truly great character development, i legit enjoyed this whole thing
It’s a good character arc for the youtuber anime.
I kinda feel like most youtubers advance to something better or different, it’s subjective really
Makes me sad about what happened to prestonplayz…
Love how the villains in this aren’t some over the top evil/black and white. There is some logic that they could actually be the good guys, and that’s the most dangerous thing about people in real life who think this way. This is something Hollywood always gets wrong.
Yeah, anything other than a strict black and white moral binary is hard.
Yeah it’s interesting
Its not dangerous, if were only trying to save you and ur a danger to your self.
We stan these bad guys. They are well written and they spittin straight facts and people cant stop having 4 kids for no reason even though they live in a first world country and are plenty well off. Even close family members of my own have done it. Im almost done with his season one analysis on this video but damn so far im almost with the bad guys. I wouldn’t bring this situation about myself but I wouldn’t fight it either. Its a thing I’ve been concerned about along with most scientists, especially as one in a mentally unwell state in general. The way they go about it isn’t okay but if something like this naturally occurred without shooting hundreds of random people for no reason and possibly a genetic mutation or something we cant even really be mad at that point.
Edit: nvm the whole nazi shit is wack definitely don’t stan HOW/WHAT they’re saying/doing for these things… if you’re going to prevent humans from breeding you shouldn’t be able to select WHO does get to reproduce. It’s still 500mil ppl. Even if some bad diseases get left in the genome thats NATURE. Granted, you want to make sure all 500mil don’t ALL have crippling genetic problems but otherwise it needs to be almost if not entirely pure random.
I also love how the "good" guys also do stuff that, when seen from a different angle, can make them the bad guys
Unironically, this is one of the best videos on TH-cam.
The color palette in the UK version feels so distinct. The deeply saturated colors just gives you the feels and kind of misleading in good way where it seems childish, yet actually violent. It also helps me focus on the characters better for some reason
It makes them stand out doesnt it?
Yes that was specifically said in this video
Thanks for quoting pyrocynical 👍
I wish pyro would’ve pointed that out.
Yeah cool nice one quoting something Pyrocynical said in the video.
finally got done watching this whole video, this is legit one of the most amazing tv series, I really wish and also hope that somehow Pyro's video gets a 3rd season to ever happen
im honestly surprised you have enough time for 8 hours of video
edit: i forgot that people just have more time
@@Sockren well it’s been out for 11 days, just watch like 30-45 mins a day
@@-insecure true I’ve been watching this for one hour throughout the week and this video is really good
@@-insecure The fact that a normal human being couldn't figure that out on their own worries me
Just done? Km already rewatching it!
Pietra is the best character in this, dude went from terrifying killer to nice guy who's still a terrifying killer
Edit: Yo when did this get 2k likes
it's Pietre
@@amultitudeofpeppers938 peter*
@@kuckless4918 Pita*
@@kuckless4918 it's not Peter or Pita it's Pietre
@@amultitudeofpeppers938 it's actually Petre since it's a romanian name lads
I love the fact the villains are understandable, we are running out of resources and if it's just sterilizing people then... nobody dies, just children who wouldn't end up born, and would never have the chance to care that they never happened.
It's strange to think that I do slightly agree with the bad guys here, if nobody ends up dead then who cares?
also somebody uploaded the entire series on you tube, the current leading theory for why this was allowed is that the people who actually made utopia were so unbelievable pissed at amazon's catastrophic failure at making utopia again.
It would be so funny if the theory was true lol
you do realise how miserable the last old people on earth will be? and what happens when they realise they've all been steralized. what happens to the infrastructure that was once maintained by those people. it's just not a very well thought out plan, that is unless ofcourse AI was involved to replace the manwork.
its a dumb idea lol, there is no plan for what would happen after and by looking at the history of eugenics u can kinda predict this wouldnt end well. if we lose THAT much of the population we will struggle to survive and it will just cause suffering. there will not be enough people to maintain the systems we depend on, and why would we think we wouldnt go right back to making the same bad choices that got us here in the first place? you have to fix the systems causing this, or people will just continue to live unsustainably. the fear of overpopulation is not well founded and kind of outdated, we dont have a food shortage we have surplus food that doesnt get to everyone for political and transportation reasons. if you want to do climate stalinism this is not the way to go about it lmao this is just regular eugenics
welp, saved this bad boy to "watch later"....
Hello I’m from the future
Here to remind u
U still haven’t watch the show yet
Hello from ^ just a cheeky reminder to watch this video
Have you watched it yet
Just bind a macro to the link so you could "accidentally" press it. You're the macro king after all.
He hey! This is the closest we get to LinusMediaGroup knowing Pyrocynical.
I love that while changing his type of content, his “bullying” personallities stay the same
his content isnt changing, he just makes analysis videos on top of the usual commentary videos
@@ayyyayay homie he hasnt made a commentary video in so fucking long
@@Patchess 3/5 of his latest videos are videos similar to the 2018/2019 content he makes
dhar mann, arcade craniacs, and big ed..
@@Patchess i count most of his videos commentary but in a different sub genre
commentary vids u reffering to are like from cody/danny while these videos like petsop, far cry etc. are like TRO
@@ayyyayay 2018 isnt commentary dude we talkin 2016
It is fucking astonishing how Pyro went close to 8 hours without making 1 Hugh Janus joke.
Truly astonishing
Character development
the good ending
i heard Hugh Janus has genghis
@@notsotastysandwich8205 who's genghis ? Oh wait nvm without him we would have had another billion living on the planet
Absolutely amazing to see the extraordinary amount of engagement on this, a 7.5 hour video, so long after the original series was cancelled one season too early. Could this provide a glimmer of hope for a S3 of the UK version?!
Going from the UK version to the US version is actually one of the most Jarring experiences I’ve had with a piece of art. How can the same story be told so well and then so terribly.
US media that's how
@@ShitpostShuster The US has produced some of the greatest films and television series of all time though, that most certainly isn't the reason. You'd think the problem is Amazon then, but then they have shows like The Boys and Invincible which perfectly emulate the source material. The Boys even being better than the source material; elevating it beyond the superhero hate porn written by the author. I think this is more of a problem with the people directly involved with writing and producing the show, they messed up.
I remember getting a Twitch ad for the US version and I was watching it thinking... hang on... this is ripping off Utopia! Then it hits me with the title card. I was disgusted. Fucking US remakes man.
@@jarlsterra American recreations of English TV more often than not go VERY wrong, there’s obviously outliers to that such as the office, but generally our subtle humour and nuanced way of conveying information doesn’t appeal to the American way of making the point very obvious which completely betrays most of the source material
Go watch the English dub for squid game and you'll understand
Do you think the casting for Wilson went like "We need an ideal actor for this" and then Adeel Acktar just gives them a call and says "lads you're not gonna believe it"?
RIGHT, i was listening to this video as background sound and didn't notice that pyro said his actual name and not "ideal actor" and occasionally went "wow he really likes this actor huh" but i mean, either way, both names refer to him
Wilson Wilson was really played by the ideal actor
lol
Show cancellations are generally the most frustrating and baseless stifling of art we are privy to in the modern world.
We get to see on the low end millions of dollars thrown into a project to see an idea come to life, an entire season at the least of story being established, then because sales figures are a percent lower than investors were hoping for they cancel it, leaving the story in limbo entirely by choice and abandoning the IP because if something doesn't make fast money then it is scary and might not ever make money and we all know art is no place for risks.
and then they spend hundreds of millions on superhero trash
Yeah, no, that's idiotic. There are tons of awful, just, completely awful pieces of trash that no one watches because they are bad and which get rightfully canceled because no one watches them. Pretending every cancellation is some razor thin margin where it was only 1% lower than a suit's expected profit margin and some unjust "stifling of art" is hyperbolic rhetoric of the most hysterical kind.
90% of all "art" produced is crap. Most of it should be canceled after episode 1, the first draft, or while it's still stuck in the no-talent hack who's going to splurt it onto the world's head. Acting like audience reactions (which ARE the market solution known as ratings) are bad is elevating far too many pieces of tripe for the sake of a much, much smaller amount of decent art that goes unrecognized.
why isn't this the top comment yet?
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe Yeah, but then you have stuff like Infinity Train that is really good and has a big enough following, but it still gets cancelled for no real reason and there's no way to keep the story going because the copyright holders are CN.
@@ahh952 there is a real reason otherwise it would not have been cancelled.
Adeel Ahktar? more like Ideal Actor
This whole video was a masterpiece, but god the American breakdown was hard to watch after being completely enthralled on the UK side for 5 hours.. and the outro montage was an absolute incredible section.
Couldnt help but cringe the whole
time, There was no need for a remake.
@@Icosiheptagon I mostly agree but part of me still thinks about the timeline where David Fincher did work on the reboot. At the bare minimum it wouldnt have been even close to the trashfire we got.
@@Icosiheptagon Americans can't understand British, that's why there was a remake
I watched the first 5 hours almost in one sitting, but when the american version was discussed I took breaks constantly just not wanting to see any more of...that.
Nice profile pic
The last two hours or so where he's going over the remake fill me with such an intense rage lmao. I've never even heard of Utopia, the original or remake, until watching this and I was legit getting mad at every wrong decision they made creatively for that show lol
@LowTierFallout especially american ones 🤮
It was so painful watching the last two hours, the us version was so bad
So many times Hollywood has taken non-American originals and ruined them
Jessica is the original: an emotionally conflicted, broken person who tries to fit in with the group
Jessica in the remake: haha hostage taking go bang bang
Shoot
Patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
I mean... American 'junk-food' movie
Letan definitely allowed Phillip to keep his daughter to use as a bargaining chip in the future.
Of course
It's power over him
She later decided to torture Jessica in front of him.
Utopia: The Pyro Cut
5/5
Is consistently engaging for a staggering 7 hours, 41 minutes and 9 seconds.
Has that impressive length packed with valuable resource, knowledge and humour
Explains everything with ease
Has clean, smooth, humorous and great editing throughout, better than most youtubers that upload 10 minute videos. Pyro put a lot of effort into this. I appreciate it 🙏
Rotten Tomatoes or IMDB would never.
Pyro is a King 👑
nah id say it ends at the 5:37:52 mark. thats when the good show ends, and thats where i stopped because of it
@@spimbles well if you didn't watch the rest of it, how do you know it's not as good? Pyro tearing into shit is just good as him praising it, tho, I do agree that the story itself is better in the first half bc the topic itself is better. But the quality remains
@@nonelast4152 I agree 100%
I didn't watch this video for utopia, I watched for Pyro.
I've never loved and hated a fictional character more than Jessica. The UK's version is so endearing and memorable, and then the US version is literally the most obnoxious, detestable and irredeemable character.
That's because the UK Jessica is a broken, damaged individual who still desperately tries in certain ways to cling to what's left of herself and her humanity. Whereas the US version is just "le crazy asshole """badass""" "
The US version is a walking cringe factory who wouldn't know nuance and subtlety if it hit her on the highway travelling 100 miles an hour.
the only difference you need to know about the 2 characters is that uk jessica buys drugs as painkillers for wilson while us jessica refuses to change the bandages because "women have problem"
part of it is also the difference between a well written "strong female character" that isn't there just for show, and a garbage written "strong female character" that's just there to be a token
Average “strong women” in American writing has to be the worst character with no redeeming characteristics
“No i do like cocaine and prostitutes but they didn’t have to tell anyone” Top 10 lines ever
just realised the cruelty squad ost is used in this video, foreshadowing at its finest, bravo vince
yes!!
damn bro this video really is:
✔ Useful ✔ Enjoyable ✔ Life changing
✔ Heartwarming ✔ Informative ✔ Calming
✔ Inspiring ✔ Other
for fucks sake everyone in the comment section my brain is not wired, unfortunately, I'm alive.
Most creative comment I've seen in years lmao
✔Other: _____________
A lot more life changing then a fucking dhar Mann video....
lmao "other"
✔ Long ✔ Too long
One thing you never pointed out is that Rabbits are known for reproducing at an extremely high rate. A diabolical villain hell-bent on making most of the population infertile dawns the monicker of an animal that makes babies like there’s no tomorrow. The irony, wether purposeful or not, is a little funny
That is actually very cool, i was thinking of that too, and from all the small details in the show i believe it was intentional.
could that be why they have so many people behind?
I don’t know what possessed me to sit down and watch a 7 hour and 40 minute analysis of a TV show I’ve never heard of, but I’m very glad I did. This was super entertaining and thought provoking from start to finish!
loved it as well
watch the show
Yes
I just realised that its 7houry long sth lol
Idk how he does it but the pacing is actually impeccable. I can’t imagine watching a one hour review on anything but there’s something pyrocynical does that makes a 7 3/4 hour review not only bearable but enjoyable
This video was my first and only experience with Utopia. I’ve only known about this series for 72 hours and I’m fucking devastated that there’s no season 3.
Just watch the show instead of this video.
@@andrewnicon idk where to watch it
@@mishnuggetits on youtube.
@@mishnuggetit's free on youtube
I counted it, and there were 14 things pyro liked or at least "didn't mind" in the US utopia
- Intro Music
- The resourcefulness of Grant in ep1
- US RB imitating Pietré's signature firing pose in ep1
- The scene where Sterns fails to slam the door in ep2
- Sterns failed bluff about the CDC in ep3
- Police scanner in RB's room, ep5
- RB gunning down all the police in ep5
- RB stepping on his raisins in ep6
- Stern's having nowhere to put his drink in the show home in ep6
- the character of Lily, ep6
- Lily's internal conflict in ep7
- Jessica's conversation with Becky in ep7
- The jogger RB lets run off comes back to shoot him in ep8
I did not even know about the Episode 5 and 6 stuff, because I fell asleep.
Anyway, "RB gunning down all the police" is not true, as far as I remember, Pyro would have prefered if RB disguised as one of the officers while the officers slowly figure it out.
@@Flamme-Sanabi Yeah, but he said he "didn't mind the change", so I think it counts
@@Shredding101 not minding something does not equal liking it, or does it?
@@Flamme-Sanabi "I counted it, and there were 14 things pyro liked or at least *"didn't mind"* in the US utopia"
I'm just going to say it. I know you said it would be 8 hours long. And I don't think prior knowledge can quite adequately prepare someone for a video showing up in their subscriptions with 7:41:00 in the bloody timeslot. Incredible man.
You've REALLY Mastered the art of stretching a video past the 10 minute point huh? I respect it.
the original utopia is the best show ive ever seen, you start off routing for the "good" guys and by the end your whole world view has shifted as you look at yourself wondering if youre the "bad" guy. 11/10 would question mass sterilisation again
No way the people taking away free will are the bad guys.
@@sixtythree bro every time i think about it eventually it’s the only option damn
@@benmxiley_5606 The problem with the Network for me is that overpopulation isn't really an issue. Humanity produces plenty of food, there is plenty of space, with renewables energy also won't be a problem, population growth rates have been collapsing for a while (with Africa being the last region to experience it). At most, it's a regional issue, where some countries are more overpopulated than others. I think the real problem is how we distribute our resources. All the food produced that isn't sold is thrown out and destroyed, because it isn't profitable to redistribute it to the needy. Climate change can may be tied to population, but fixing that by mass sterilization seems like the wrong solution for this problem.
@@dogenasus1717 I just think it's because Utopia is like an alternate reality of our world where companies doesn't know overconsumption of resources is bad.
@@dogenasus1717 We can also make food way more efficiently with more labor, but don't because we don't need to. Centuries ago almost every human was a farmer, nowadays a small percentage is able to feed everyone.
2 years later... It's finally time to watch this.
What a brilliant show! Shame it ended like that. As always, ruined by sheer greed.
Another thing I noticed which seems to be the root of a lot of it's issues is how the American version seems to refuse to portray the actual US government as being one with the bad guys. In the UK version, the British government and the corporations were intertwined, both of their political and/or promotional systems based on what the network wanted. But here, we see that the US government is like completely innocent and like tricked rather than being just another pawn in the Harvest's chess game. It's pretty scummy, reeks of American exceptionalism which is weird cause it's a fucking conspiracy show, and also ruins a lot of plot points. Also that and making Jessica just a straight up villain who like you end up hating more than anyone else in the series
All of the best american-centric conspiracy theories place the US government at the center of some globoX agenda or somesuch shit. Sounds like they probably just didn't want to do something terribly insulting like raise the concept of the US government being corrupt to a dedicated patriot (guantanamo bay is the only appropriate price to pay)
@@GlobstersMessenger as an American I agree, we’re not supposed to praise the US government, in fact the opposite were supposed to criticize the gov any moment we get and praise the people of America, as the people are what make America, America.
I mean to be fair the US government definitely comes off like it could be tricked into taking place in a conspiracy.
@@turner15 yeah there’s some pretty fucking stupid people in power
@@kw1610 All of them well past retirement age for any other white collar job.
1:43:00 I think R.B.'s "don't look" shooting style may have actually evolved out of that. The actor tries the firearm out and flinches, and thinks of how *a child* would deal with the stimuli shock, let alone the horror of looking at someone you are killing.
He's been doing this since he was a kid, his whole *assassination style* is something a kid would need to do: walk right up to someone unsuspecting, get up close and turn away from the loud bang, then leave the area --and suppress that trauma!--
Doesn't need to suppress it since he's numb to it... though they establish the character didn't really *like* doing it, and had a constant inner struggle over it. "Turning a blind eye" to the murders he commits, literally, seems pretty fitting.
He didn’t need to suppress the trauma, his dad made him have no emotion in the first place.
@@solderfumes true! He wouldn't need to suppress it since he's numb to it... though they establish the character didn't really *like* doing it, and had a constant inner struggle over it. "Turning a blind eye" to the murders he commits, literally, seems pretty fitting.
Watching a 1 and a half hour movie: nooo… it’s too long I don’t have the time
Watching a 8 hour long analysis of a show I never have and never will watch: 😍
Hahhah same
same here
you must watch it! although you've already spoiled it yourself lol
That's such a waste tho. Why not just experience it for yourself first?
@@cosmicpanda7043 cause the commentary from pyro makes anything 2 times more entertaining
I return to this video every 6 months after randomly remembering it exists and binge it all in one sitting for no reason.
10/10 video.
A lot of the fear in the original comes from ambiguity. The fear of having a man you don't know ask questions about a woman you don't know, slowly and painfully. We don't get that as the audience in the US remake. We know who Jessica Hide is, and so there's no fear there.
In addition, I think that the US version lacks a lot of the sophistication that the villains have. Lee and Pietre are so frightening because they are cold, emotionless, and methodical. Always very calm and clean. US Rod and Arby are nothing like this.
** MAJOR SPOILER ** Just finished watching this again after watching the show and I realised something. Wilson in the beginning tells the group about wiping every bit of info about him on the web, making him "invisible". I take this as foreshadowing him becoming Mr Rabbit since Milner did the same thing by killing all those people who had seen her.
If so that would be amazing
Holy shit
I wish this comment wasn't so high up. I was only an hour in when I saw it, and it spoiled the next 6 hours for me. It's fine to post, just very unfortunate placement in the comments section.
@@Rabbit-the-One Don't go into the comment section before finishing the video then brainlet.
@@kakophonien6514 No, shut up.
i love how they forecasted Wilson's progression and his demise into what he became when he said that over 5 years he wiped all traces of himself, becoming a perfect Rabbit, someone with no trace or previous history in a world where everything is logged, i didnt even realise it until my second watch.
And then there’s US Wilson
@@tamerthrone4133 I'm sorry i don't know what you're talking about, there is no US version of this show. I refuse to believe there is one.
@@PollyWaffle263 did you love his speech about why Cake mixers and tchotchkes are evil, while talking to absolutely no one, I sure did