There's something hilarious about having two Biotics and suddenly Jack just "forgets" she can generate a barrier fifty times better than Jacob and gets swarmed.
She can't, though. Vanguard. That's not her strength; they push powers out, not hold them. Miranda's an idiot here; it's a huge energy expenditure to hold that Barrier. Samara or a Sentinel PC are really the only two who could be expected to do it. I love how Bioware set up a power set in PC creation and then basically ignored it during this mission, but their treatment of biotic powers is iffy.
@@maartentops1703 oh, I know the game allows it, but it doesn't make a lot of sense that Subject Zero, a Vanguard, suddenly has Barrier for this mission. And whether or not she's loyal makes the difference. Or that Samara would EVER _not_ be able to hold that Barrier as an Asari Justicar. The game is all over the place in terms of biotics making sense.
@@christineherrmann205 I always rationalize Jack being a Vanguard (because canonically she's one of the most powerful Biotics alive) as her just *enjoying* shooting people too
It physically pains me to see one of the most gifted biotics in the galaxy die to a seeker swarm because we had Jacob be the biotic specialist instead of her or Samara.
In theory, yes, any biotic capable of generating a barrier could do it. In practice, the strain is too much for all but the best of the best. Technically not an incorrect sentence, just naïve and misguided.
@@stofsk Fair, but given the stakes and the threat they're up against, why take anything but the best of the best for a given role? Same thing applies for the vents, earlier. Anyone with an Onmi-Tool could do the job, but there are people better at it than others. A mission they don't expect to come back from isn't really the time for "theoretically".
Surely - in universe - Shepard could take TWO Biotic Specialists (one in the squad, one as the actual task) so that, for example, Samara/Morinth could strengthen the shield or outright take over when Miranda got too weak to continue effectively. I'm guessing the main reason why it wouldn't work was because of how much time it would take to generate a secondary barrier.
@@commandershepard5450 yeah would have been an easy enough way to include him lore wise. And one more squadmate would have remedied the complaints about lacking squadmates in 3 a bit. Also Kirrahe is a hilarious badass and in my top 5 characters in the series. No 1 being shared by my queen Tali and my bro Garrus. Yeah, I simp for Tali, not even sorry about that.
I'm just disappointed we never got a volus or batarian squadmate. ME2 would have been an excellent place to add a Batarian, and could have made the destruction of the mass relay mission so much more impactful
You know it's crazy. This wouldn't have been possible without the DLC characters Zaeed and Kasuni. So if you just picked up the base game on launch you would have died.
That's incorect. As long as you got Grunt and Garrus + X holding off the enemies, Shepard survives. Jacob dies as tech expert, Jack or mordin gets killed by the seeker, Samara dies while escorting the crew. Grunt + Garrus + Legion + Tali are hoding the line, while Mordin/Jack + thane kill the Boss. maybe you can ensure Tali's survival by picking Legion for the final Boss fight, and letting Mordin eat the bullet for Tali, while Garrus +Grunt always survive. The real kick to the gut is the fact that all non-loyal non DLC squadmates aside from Garrus are going to die in ME3. While other Suqadmates like Tali, Samara and Jack may survive ME3, but still die in the suicide mission.
I think it is still possible. If you sacrifice the right people. Look how many survivors he had. You need only 2 and survivors to get through. No ship upgrades or loyalty of anyone + have DLC: - Thane, Jack and Kasumi die due to no upgrades - Mordin dies as a tech specialist (Mordin tech, Jacob fire) - Legion dies due to Samara's non-loyality (Samara shield, Legion and Jacob squad + Miranda fire) - Tali dies during escort - Jacob and Samara die during the final boss due to non-loyality BUT Miranda, Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed, Shepard and crew lives If you have no upgrades AND dont have DLCs: - Jack, Thane and Legion die due to no ship upgrades (Garrus and Grunt Squad) - Mordin dies due to being a poor choice (Mordin tech, Jacob fire) - Garrus dies due to Samara being unable to maintain the shield (Samara shield, Miranda fire, Garrus and Jacob squad) - Miranda and Samara die because they are not loyal during the final boss (Miranda and Samara squad while others hold the line) BUT Grunt and Jacob live => Shepard lives and crew lives as well If you recruit everyone even if you dont have the DLC, its still possible do survive without any loyality. Yes, it is very bloody BUT possible.
That’s a lot of extra dead people in Mass Effect 3… Cant choose peace between the Quarians and Geth, Samara can’t help the monastery on Thessia, Jack can’t help Grissom academy..
just go for a max genocide without reapers run. genophage gets sabotaged, save the spectre in that one side quest instead of the drell and hanar, save the get over the quarians, and then choose destroy
For those who are curious about whether or not anything happens in Grissom Academy, it turns out that one of the cadets will step up to be the leader and sacrifice himself to help the others escape. I forgot his name, but it's the white one with red-ish hair. I only know this because I played the Base ME3 game with no DLCs or multiplayer, or knowledge of any prior ME games.
Ensign Prangley steps up to be the Grissom Academy leader in Jack's absence. This world state also has a unique conversation with Ensign Rodriguez where she talks to Shepard about whether you ever forget the first time you kill someone.
Which is bs because he does exact same thing as Jack BUT Jack has plot armor and Cerberus forces are Stormtroopers that miss meanwhile Ensign Prangley gets shot because not saving Jack gives the Cerberus troopers an accuracy buff appearantly.
The suicide mission is one of those things I'm torn on. On the one hand, I think some people *should* die, since they've spent the whole game talking about how dangerous the mission will be, and how people won't be coming back. On the other hand, I can never choose *who* to let die. They're all great characters, and they all have content in ME3 that is worth seeing.
I just shove Jacob in the vents, and if I have morinth, I use her as fire squad leader, so she can die heroically. Gives at least some stakes, but no absolutely amazing characters die.
@@aquilleswinkler5051 To be quite fair, gaining their loyality is gaining their trust and maybe friendship. The reason Kasumi revealed herself was because she trusted Shepard enough to come back so to speak. Otherwise it might just have been her taking the easy escape.
@@sootythunder3111 You can't leave zaeed behind if you only have 2 squadmates left, because you wouldn't be able to complete anything after because you only have one squadmate
I love how Miranda is so full of herself she says she can make the shield, then in practice she fails regardless of loyalty. Learned that the hard way on my first playthrough of the game years ago. I remember replaying and using Jack, and she was able to do the shielding with no problems.
Bruh my first playthrough Grunt died like this because I chose Miranda as the barrier specialist, and the whole time I was wondering how tf are they carrying him?🤣🤣
Great work Big D, When I’m upto my Renegade play through I still don’t think I could do this, there to important, I’m still grieving Thane and your Miranda video (saving her) helped and also will save Cortez, I just finished Omega and loving every single minute, not sure my heart strings can take anymore. Thanks for the good work keep it up.
I believe you can get away with only having to do 4 loyalty missions: Garrus (fireteam leader), Samara (Biotic), Legion (Tech specialist) and Mordin to send back with the crew. As long as you take Tali and Kasumi when facing off against the human reaper you should have enough defense wise.
@@Mod3rn0ccult1st they have a higher chance of dying and a no doubt death if used as a specialist, Maranda excluded as fire team leader. She also survives as specialist even when not loyal.
My second run in ME legendary edition i do only loyalty mission for garrus, tali, mordin, thane and legion because for me are the most important characters for the sequel. Only die jack in the final mission.
@@Jedi_Spartan No, it's harder than it sounds. Harder than doing everything correctly imo. Doing badly? That's easy. Killing all but 2 squadmates in ME2? Also easy. We're talking about maximizing death and pain overall. The sooner and more awful the better. This means killing the rachni queen, ignoring Bring Down the Sky, killing the colonists on Feros, killing Gianna Parasini and her "boss" on Noveria and then shaking down Lorik Qui'in, beating that one guy up in the start mission, get Conrad Verner killed, sparing Rana Thanoptis, letting Kirrahe and the STG team die, and so much more. And this is just the major quests in the first game. Lots more pain to inflict in the side quests and the next two games. Some choices you have to deliberately plot out to inflict as much pain as possible. Ie: talking down Wrex in the first game, then destroying Maelon's data, then sabotaging the genophage and killing Wrex so that the Krogan are left with no leaders and no future. Ignore the mission to defuse the Turian bomb on Tuchanka for good measure. Oh, and release the reaper-controlled Rachni queen. Then, top it off by choosing the refuse ending (or vaporization Destroy ending if that's your style) and you have a genocidal maniac Shepard. I wanna plot this out now.
XLetalis did a video on this back in May, on how to kill everyone including Shepard. People are right when they say you have to put some effort into killing off everyone.
"We are... Distracted. Old Machines are rewriting us because we did not complete our Loyalty Runtime. You may suck this platform's external genetalia unit, Shepard-Commander."
I thought Legion could open a door as an advanced AI with over 1000 runtimes running on that mobile platform. I also thought Thane as a master assassin could sneak through some vents. Doh!
To trigger the Collector Ship Mission, you can actually even do the Firewalker Missions. All you need seems to be 5 Missions in which you leave your ship. I did that in my last run to get the new weapon specialization as early as possible.
@@faded1to3black No that is another mission. That always happens after one other mission. What he means is the mission in which you enter the Collector Ship and find out that the Collectors are originally Protheans.
@@faded1to3black the number of missions between getting the Reaper IFF and having the Collector ambush is determined roughly by how many missions you did between the Collector Ship and gaining the Reaper IFF. If you went straight for the Reaper IFF, you will be able to do a couple more missions compared to if you did a lot of missions before getting the Reaper IFF. If you do a lot of missions before doing the Reaper IFF, you'll probably only be able to do one mission, which ideally should be Legion's Loyalty Mission, as he will offer it to you right away after talking to him. I imagine if you've done literally every other mission in the game other than Legion's Loyalty Mission, going on his mission may trigger the attack immediately. Then again, you have to select a squad to visit hub worlds like Tuchanka or the Citadel. So perhaps you have the leeway of Legion's Loyalty Mission and then visiting another hub world will trigger the Collector ambush.
I know this isn’t related to the topic of the video. But I realized that Jenkin’s voice actor is in ME2. He the kid you pump into in omega while trying to get Archangel. But yeah something kinda trivial that I thought was funny and cute
That's a very good observation. I really felt bad for Jenkins character arc. If he had seriously injured but survived the Eden prime mission but became unable as a squadmate, later he provided some non-combat help to Shepard, again appeared in ME2 to do more support and his backstory was given somewhat more attention, then he died in ME3 along with that Kid while Shepard was leaving Earth. I think this would have given him a proper character arc.
He went out like a punk. Just walked into and open field and got toasted. A minor mis-step int he grand scheme of things, but it would have been a great opportunity to set the tone of the game by having Shepherd make a decision, give him an order that leads to his death. Then it makes the death carry weight. And makes it like "boom, my choices have consequences".
Very interesting that you can get all essential ship upgrades without doing the loyalty missions. I've always done them even in my worst playthrough unless I'm deliberately trying to kill people. Really cool video!
Playing my second me3 play through in legendary and trying to speed through it. 😢 I lost the queen and was heart broken. Pay attention to your choices kids.
Worst case scenario is that Joker and EDI are the only survivors of the Normandy SR-2. Every squadmate dies, Shepard dies, and the rest of the crew die if you don't provide them an escort. Yeah the Reaper War ain't gonna be won in that timeline.
I think I commented this on one of your other videos, but I wanted to put it out there again. I saw a video years ago with a playthrough of the Citadel missions where almost everyone was dead. Whoever did it worked out every possible death and did a playthrough like that. In the "all hands on deck" part, there's literally not enough squadmates alive to do it, so you actually bring the two Alliance soldiers who guard the war room. I haven't been able to find that video since. Could you do a video like this one for that? Fair warning: it's super depressing, especially the "party" afterward.
when i first finished me2, mordin died. to which, i was like, i mean, he did make a new genophage strain so eh. Tali died in that save too. I started playing through me3 and got to the would-be tali recruitment and i couldnt do it and re-did the suicide mission and beginning of me3 lol
Hey BigDanGaming! Love ur videos! I was wondering if you could do a video on differences in ME2 for doing things after the collector base (like how u can kill Zaeed when you can’t normally). It’d be cool to see things like, Grunt released post collector base or something. Thanks, and keep up the great work!
I like how everyone dying when closing the door die because they can't manage to push without stretching their neck as far as humanly possible into the line of fire.
The fact that you can lose literally potentially HALF of your crew during this mission with these parameters is crazy; honestly can't see not doing the loyalty missions not just b/c of the Suicide Mission, but just b/c they are so great to do and have so much to offer character wise. I saw a video of someone who did the suicide mission (don't remember the name of the youtuber) who showed a video of what it would be like if you lost everyone - he or she lost everyone on the mission, even shepherd. Only thing I can imagine is if you didn't have any of the ship upgrades and didn't do the loyalty missions (which is probably what they did) is the end result of that video that I saw would come to pass? Even shepherd didn't survive; only Joker....was nuts.
When I first beat the game as a kid, I had no ship upgrades, and I think I only had Thane, Grunt, Garrus, and Mordin loyal. Unfortunately, Thane died on approach to the collector world. As a kid, I was devastated because he was one of my new favorite characters. I also, for some reason, never activated Legion as a kid. I didn't trust the Geth I guess lol. This was almost 13 years ago, so I can't remember exactly who survived, but I think it was just Garrus, Samara Miranda, and Jacob who survived. All of my favorite characters, Garrus aside, had died, and I was sad a kid, but at the time, I didn't know how much I could impact the mission. It wasn't an ideal playthrough, but it was my first one, and I'm glad I got to experience such a shocking end my first go around. Really feels like that's how Bioware intended you to experience it the first time.
For anyone wondering here is my analysis of how to save everyone with least amount of loyalty missions: So if you have full DLC squad you need to do 4 mandatory (Garrus, Tali, Jack, Mordin) and 3 any additional (f.e. Jacob, Samara and Thane). Mission will go: 1. Tali/Garrus 2. Jack/Garrus/Mordin 3. Tali/Jack Hold the line [4(Loyal Garrus)+3(Grunt)+3(Zaeed), +1(Miranda)+2(Loyal Jacob)+2(Loyal Thane)+2(Loyal Samara)+1(Legion), +0(Kasumi) = 18/9] equals 2.0 so everyone survives. If you just don't recruit Kasumi you can get 2 less loyalty missions. That leaves us at the same mandatory of Garrus, Jack, Tali and Mordin and one additional f.e. Samara. Hold the line will be [4(Loyal Garrus)+3(Grunt)+3(Zaeed), +1(Miranda)+1(Jacob)+1(Thane)+2(Loyal Samara)+1(Legion)=16/8] 2.0 and everyone survives. That leaves us at 5 mandatory loyalty missions. Then you can try to not recruit Zaeed, Kasumi, Thane and Samara, not waking up Grunt and not launching Legion. You are mandatory to pick up Garrus, Mordin, Jack and Grunt before Horizon, but after you can do short side missions. You left with Garrus, Tali, Jack, Mordin, Jacob and Miranda. First four of them should have loyalties done. Then your Suicide Mission goes like this. 1. Tali/Garrus 2. Jack/Garrus/Mordin 3. Tali/Jack with you. And we have left with Garrus, Jacob, and Miranda to hold the line. Hold the line score will be 4(Loyal Garrus)+1(Jacob)+1(Miranda)/3 equals 2.0 which means everyone survives. This is not the only way to do Suicide Mission with only 4 loyalty missions done, but it's the most radical with least squadmates. That leaves us with 4 minimum loyalty missions for everyone to survive.
@@joeywild2011 I think what they mean is that, outside of game mechanics, Jack should probably have just put her barrier up when Jacob's failed and everyone would have survived the walk. Jacob's barrier laster a good ten minutes; Jack's could have held for a few more seconds.
I hate leaving quests incomplete, so the only loyalty mission my renegade didn't get involved the hertics when he gave that salvage Geth to Cerberus Miranda was disloyal after her disagreement with Jack. Left Zaeed behind on his loyalty mission (have a mod letting me do that before the collector base). I didn't upgrade the ship too, but because I wanted to complete what was in my journal my Renegade Shepard survived with Garrus, Jacob and a certain Asari that I couldn't invite to the next game's party I didn't give Tali'Zorah the Geth data, I got her exiled, I was still able to romance her, but she didn't make it when I took Garrus and Kasumi to the shuttle bay. Jack & Thane also didn't see the collector base. Mordin's Omni-tool upgrade was useless, perhaps I should've let Jacob volunteer. Grunt is a horrible team leader. When Kasumi held the line with Jacob and Morinth, she didn't make it. Miranda & Garrus were on the final assault, do love Miranda telling Tim off, but she was disloyal and didn't make it. If I had Jacob in the tube and Miranda doing the bubble instead of Morinth, who knows if I'd survive lol 😝
What happens on Feros if, after clearing Exogeni HQ and Lizbeth jumps out, you just keep driving? If you skip contact with Jong, Lizbeth's mother, and the whole group entirely. You wouldn't get the gas grenades. But could you take out all the colonists with hand to hand? Would Jong survive but "liquidate" Mama Baynam, Gavin Hossel, and the rest of that group? Tell me! I must know!
I think you could have saved another squadmate by letting the crew die without an escort: you could have left Samara holding the line so that she could survive while bringing Tali with you facing the human reaper (unfortunatelly, as a 0-point character, I think there's nothing you can do for her)
dan a intresting question for ya , if you somehow see this who cannonically is on each mission? most of the team with us in the first game says at one point or another they were there when saren got defeated as if they were on the strike team. other than the obvious "this character has to be on the mission" is there any clear way to determin that? perhaps based on how the +1 interacts with the main tagalon , like on priority thessia, it really does make sense that javik came with. personally i feel like garrus is there with us when we take rannoch.
"If only there was something we could have done to save them." Funny, but I cannot forgive sacrificing Kasumi to Harbinger. Expect a call from the Inquisition.
I'm sad at some of these deaths, but I'm so happy my boi Garrus survived! :) When I found out it was possible for Shepard to die, I actively tried just to see what would happen. But was thwarted since Garrus survived and hauled my ass up in the ship. My boi failed me on my suicide attempt! So I reloaded, stuck him in a different job and mourned his death before watching Shepard fall to her death. RIP
I feel like there were a more than a few people who picked up this game not bothering to do any sidequest stuff or upgrades, because of the slight genre shift, and ME2 is more of a tps instead of an rpg. I can imagine them going through the game, and finding out you could have your entire team survive was mind blowing, because they thought that was just how the story went, and a bunch died because... feels?
You must do at least 4 for Garrus, Samara, Tali and Mordin mandatory and 3 for any additional to hold the line. f.e. Jacob, Thane and Jack. You pick up Tali and Garrus for the first one, then Samara and Garrus for the second one sending Mordin with the crew and for the final one you bring Tali and Jack with you. Average for holding the line will be 4(Loyal Garrus)+3(Grunt)+3(Zaeed), +1(Miranda)+2(Loyal Jacob)+2(Loyal Thane)+2(Loyal Samara)+1(Legion), +0(Kasumi) = 18 / 9 equals 2.0 which means everyone will survive. Funniest thing is, if you never recruit Kasumi, you can do 2 less loyalty missions. So that will be the same 1. Garrus/Tali then 2. Samara/Garrus/Mordin and for the final you pick Jack and Tali. Remaining hold the line score is 4(Loyal Garrus)+3(Grunt)+3(Zaeed), +1(Miranda)+1(Jacob)+1(Thane)+2(Loyal Samara)+1(Legion)=16/8 equals 2.0 which means everyone will survive. That leaves us at 5 loyal missions for the crew without Kasumi (you can recruit her after anyway).
The worst part is most characters that he saved will die in ME3 either due to a scripted segment, or the fact that you didn't complete their loyalty mission.
I played through ME2 twice back during original release, failed Garrus’ loyalty mission both times, failed Thane’s the second time, yet never lost a single character. I always thought that was weird, though I don’t know a lot about how the game calculates party member deaths.
@@zychel1234 Apparently my memory has failed me. I thought the mission where you shadow someone from above was Garrus’, but I looked it up and it’s Thane’s. That’s the one I failed twice because I just couldn’t keep track of my target. Regardless, Thane still survived both playthroughs.
In my first playthrough, Legion was the one carried off by the swarm. I'd even completed his loyalty mission (but was abysmally bad at most of the other prep work)
That would be a really cool mission that changes based on how you built Shepard--maybe even down to the class you built? It would be a really neat and unique mission!
I tried a playthrough intentionally trying to get the worst possible ending in Mass Effect 3, (killed wrex, let the the council die in ME1). And that included having everyone die in the suicide mission in ME2 except Samara and Zaeed. ME3 felt like a completely different game with a much darker atmosphere. Personally I would recommend anyone to try that playthrough as it makes you appreciate all your squadmates and the impact your choices have throughout the series even more.
I always thought that a perfect survival count in the Suicide Mission ruins the atmosphere. It's a Suicide Mission after all... I usually make Legion die in a ship explosion, Jacob in the seeker swarm walk (with Miranda in charge of the biotic field), unloyal Zaeed against the Human Reaper and Mordin holding the line. By the way, Jack's facial expression in the video while she is dragged away by the swarms will haunt me...
How about a video on the minimum amount of characters you need to recruit for everyone to survive. Beyond Act 1, the only character ESSENTIAL to survival is Tali as she has the last upgrade and (if excluding DLC) is the first character who can fill the Tech Specialist role. You get all the Commander Specialists in Act 1 (two of which are by default) and Jack is capable of being a successful Biotic Specialist. Afterwards it's just a question of Hold The Line scores and loyalty.
What about doing the minimal amount of missions to keep everyone alive, incluiding avoiding recruiting someone? I think you can get away with 4? 1) Tali for Vent, 2) Garrus for both Fireteams, 3) Jack for Biotic, 4) Mordin for crew escort. And avoid recruiting Samara and Kazumi, this should give 14 points with an averange score of 2 if you go with Tali and Jack for the final part.
Could have used Kirrahe, his hold the line score is through the roof
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yeah but he would have saved everyone then...
True! The Salarians, especially Kirrahe, are badasses. Even Mordin, who cracks me up.
I wish Reagor was a recruitable character.
@@faitheffect254 Likewise. At least I talk him out of fighting the Colossus. Reagor and Mordin are my fave chars. Both are super nice, yet badasses.
Miranda thinking "Damnit! This is why we needed that control chip!"
There's something hilarious about having two Biotics and suddenly Jack just "forgets" she can generate a barrier fifty times better than Jacob and gets swarmed.
i would have loved it if jack called shepard a asshole before being lifted off by the swarm of seekers.
She can't, though. Vanguard. That's not her strength; they push powers out, not hold them. Miranda's an idiot here; it's a huge energy expenditure to hold that Barrier. Samara or a Sentinel PC are really the only two who could be expected to do it. I love how Bioware set up a power set in PC creation and then basically ignored it during this mission, but their treatment of biotic powers is iffy.
@@christineherrmann205 I had Jack as my barrier specialist in my first playthrough. Everyone survived.
@@maartentops1703 oh, I know the game allows it, but it doesn't make a lot of sense that Subject Zero, a Vanguard, suddenly has Barrier for this mission. And whether or not she's loyal makes the difference. Or that Samara would EVER _not_ be able to hold that Barrier as an Asari Justicar. The game is all over the place in terms of biotics making sense.
@@christineherrmann205 I always rationalize Jack being a Vanguard (because canonically she's one of the most powerful Biotics alive) as her just *enjoying* shooting people too
It physically pains me to see one of the most gifted biotics in the galaxy die to a seeker swarm because we had Jacob be the biotic specialist instead of her or Samara.
“iN tHeOrY, aNy BiOtIc CoUlD dO iT”
So that was a fucking lie
Says Miranda, the genetically perfect bitch with some incredible biotic yet still manages to get someone killed -_-
In theory, yes, any biotic capable of generating a barrier could do it. In practice, the strain is too much for all but the best of the best. Technically not an incorrect sentence, just naïve and misguided.
@@jedimasterpickle3 Came here to make this comment.
@@jedimasterpickle3 it's not even that misguided. They only falter at the very end.
@@stofsk Fair, but given the stakes and the threat they're up against, why take anything but the best of the best for a given role? Same thing applies for the vents, earlier. Anyone with an Onmi-Tool could do the job, but there are people better at it than others. A mission they don't expect to come back from isn't really the time for "theoretically".
Gotta love bringing Jack along to NOT make the barrier
Her last words: DAMNIT SHEPARD!
That's what asari are for 🤷♂️
Surely - in universe - Shepard could take TWO Biotic Specialists (one in the squad, one as the actual task) so that, for example, Samara/Morinth could strengthen the shield or outright take over when Miranda got too weak to continue effectively. I'm guessing the main reason why it wouldn't work was because of how much time it would take to generate a secondary barrier.
@@Jedi_Spartan I always did that just as an RP thing. Bring a Biotic companion who could help out if they needed it
She would’ve failed anyway because she is not loyal.
If only we could bring Kirrahe along for the Suicide Mission, he would have held the line excellently
I wish that Kirrahe was a possible squad mate. Would have been really cool.
Definitely a missed opportunity not having him in 3. Would have been great if he joined your squad after priority sur’kesh
I wish
@@commandershepard5450 yeah would have been an easy enough way to include him lore wise. And one more squadmate would have remedied the complaints about lacking squadmates in 3 a bit. Also Kirrahe is a hilarious badass and in my top 5 characters in the series.
No 1 being shared by my queen Tali and my bro Garrus.
Yeah, I simp for Tali, not even sorry about that.
I'm just disappointed we never got a volus or batarian squadmate. ME2 would have been an excellent place to add a Batarian, and could have made the destruction of the mass relay mission so much more impactful
You know it's crazy. This wouldn't have been possible without the DLC characters Zaeed and Kasuni. So if you just picked up the base game on launch you would have died.
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That's incorect. As long as you got Grunt and Garrus + X holding off the enemies, Shepard survives.
Jacob dies as tech expert, Jack or mordin gets killed by the seeker, Samara dies while escorting the crew. Grunt + Garrus + Legion + Tali are hoding the line, while Mordin/Jack + thane kill the Boss.
maybe you can ensure Tali's survival by picking Legion for the final Boss fight, and letting Mordin eat the bullet for Tali, while Garrus +Grunt always survive.
The real kick to the gut is the fact that all non-loyal non DLC squadmates aside from Garrus are going to die in ME3. While other Suqadmates like Tali, Samara and Jack may survive ME3, but still die in the suicide mission.
I think it is still possible. If you sacrifice the right people. Look how many survivors he had. You need only 2 and survivors to get through.
No ship upgrades or loyalty of anyone + have DLC:
- Thane, Jack and Kasumi die due to no upgrades
- Mordin dies as a tech specialist (Mordin tech, Jacob fire)
- Legion dies due to Samara's non-loyality (Samara shield, Legion and Jacob squad + Miranda fire)
- Tali dies during escort
- Jacob and Samara die during the final boss due to non-loyality
BUT Miranda, Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed, Shepard and crew lives
If you have no upgrades AND dont have DLCs:
- Jack, Thane and Legion die due to no ship upgrades (Garrus and Grunt Squad)
- Mordin dies due to being a poor choice (Mordin tech, Jacob fire)
- Garrus dies due to Samara being unable to maintain the shield (Samara shield, Miranda fire, Garrus and Jacob squad)
- Miranda and Samara die because they are not loyal during the final boss (Miranda and Samara squad while others hold the line)
BUT Grunt and Jacob live => Shepard lives and crew lives as well
If you recruit everyone even if you dont have the DLC, its still possible do survive without any loyality. Yes, it is very bloody BUT possible.
*Kasumi 💗
@@empressink_ shoot. Sorry about the typo
That's a surprising number of survivors to be honest.
That’s a lot of extra dead people in Mass Effect 3…
Cant choose peace between the Quarians and Geth, Samara can’t help the monastery on Thessia, Jack can’t help Grissom academy..
That’s what a good shepherd is supposed to do. No one left behind.
@@robbrown3941 Apart from Jacob...
Morrden can’t cure the Genophage lol
just go for a max genocide without reapers run. genophage gets sabotaged, save the spectre in that one side quest instead of the drell and hanar, save the get over the quarians, and then choose destroy
@@Jedi_Spartan Mass Effect 1 - leave Ashley behind. Mass Effect 2 - get Jacob killed. Mass Effect 3 - shoot Kaiden. Shepard can die happy.
It was really a Devil's Gamble. Thanks for showing us what will happen, without us having to undergo that much horror.
For those who are curious about whether or not anything happens in Grissom Academy, it turns out that one of the cadets will step up to be the leader and sacrifice himself to help the others escape. I forgot his name, but it's the white one with red-ish hair. I only know this because I played the Base ME3 game with no DLCs or multiplayer, or knowledge of any prior ME games.
Ensign Prangley steps up to be the Grissom Academy leader in Jack's absence. This world state also has a unique conversation with Ensign Rodriguez where she talks to Shepard about whether you ever forget the first time you kill someone.
Which is bs because he does exact same thing as Jack BUT Jack has plot armor and Cerberus forces are Stormtroopers that miss meanwhile Ensign Prangley gets shot because not saving Jack gives the Cerberus troopers an accuracy buff appearantly.
The suicide mission is one of those things I'm torn on. On the one hand, I think some people *should* die, since they've spent the whole game talking about how dangerous the mission will be, and how people won't be coming back. On the other hand, I can never choose *who* to let die. They're all great characters, and they all have content in ME3 that is worth seeing.
Jacob. It adds some weight and Jacob's appearance in me3 is really REALLY minor.
If you really wanna push it, I'd say letting Zaeed die also works.
Letting Jacob die is the only viable option.
I just shove Jacob in the vents, and if I have morinth, I use her as fire squad leader, so she can die heroically. Gives at least some stakes, but no absolutely amazing characters die.
Choose Jacob. he volunteered :D
Jacob lmao
Whenever there is a Body Count, you know it's going to be a Rough Ride.
I love these weird world state videos that I will never have the guts to do!
You wiped out all the romanceable ladies... Tali, Jack, Miranda... even Samara.
Miss Chambers, report to my cabin!
Nope she got grinded up right when I got there.
Lol all the guys except Mordin survived! Romanceable lads win in the end haha
Welllll mornith is still alive & killing people on omega as Shepard never went with Samara & stopped her 🤷
as long as garrus lives, thats a successful mission in my book.
If he and Tali die, restart your game.
And Grunt, don’t forget your child
You can still lose Zaeed afterwards if you do his loyalty mission and choose the paragon way + let him die :D
He also dies in ME3 if you do his sidequest when he's not loyal. Same with Grunt and Kasumi although it's deliberately ambiguous in Kasumi's case.
@@AceofShadow kas will respond and reveal herself when the salarian leaves at the end of the mission. If she doesn't, yep she's dead.
@@aquilleswinkler5051 To be quite fair, gaining their loyality is gaining their trust and maybe friendship. The reason Kasumi revealed herself was because she trusted Shepard enough to come back so to speak. Otherwise it might just have been her taking the easy escape.
Wait is it possible to come out with just Zaeed and 1 loyal character and then kill him in his loyalty mission?
@@sootythunder3111 You can't leave zaeed behind if you only have 2 squadmates left, because you wouldn't be able to complete anything after because you only have one squadmate
that tali line from miranda was unique. Loved this video
I love how Miranda is so full of herself she says she can make the shield, then in practice she fails regardless of loyalty. Learned that the hard way on my first playthrough of the game years ago. I remember replaying and using Jack, and she was able to do the shielding with no problems.
The seeker swarms taking Jack looks real at least. When they took Grunt during one of your other videos I laughed my ass off.
Bruh my first playthrough Grunt died like this because I chose Miranda as the barrier specialist, and the whole time I was wondering how tf are they carrying him?🤣🤣
“Simply ignore their pleas for help”
You know it’s a good video.
6:28 I appreciate you not making us have to watch her die in this lol
This was terrifying to watch.
Thank you for going through all of that for us, i wouldn't have been able to handle it on my own playthrough.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Mmmyeees.
Honestly, just survive off killing the _right_ characters.
Great work Big D, When I’m upto my Renegade play through I still don’t think I could do this, there to important, I’m still grieving Thane and your Miranda video (saving her) helped and also will save Cortez, I just finished Omega and loving every single minute, not sure my heart strings can take anymore. Thanks for the good work keep it up.
“Simply ignore their pleas for help…”
ok 😢
Yep, resolve to get EVERY squadmate mission completed has been strengthened. Thanks for that.
Well the next logical question is: what is the minimum requirement of loyal squadmates to allow for everyone to survive?
I believe you can get away with only having to do 4 loyalty missions: Garrus (fireteam leader), Samara (Biotic), Legion (Tech specialist) and Mordin to send back with the crew. As long as you take Tali and Kasumi when facing off against the human reaper you should have enough defense wise.
@@chrisxd146 There's no minimum, if you didn't do the loyalty mission for a crew mate they will die.
@@Mod3rn0ccult1st they have a higher chance of dying and a no doubt death if used as a specialist, Maranda excluded as fire team leader. She also survives as specialist even when not loyal.
My second run in ME legendary edition i do only loyalty mission for garrus, tali, mordin, thane and legion because for me are the most important characters for the sequel. Only die jack in the final mission.
@@DomeBucciarati I’m impressed, I’m gonna try to get legendary edition hopefully soon but I loved the suicide mission as a concept.
I'm glad these videos exist so I don't have to do them myself lmao.
Can you do Mass Effect: Extermination Edition? You basically have to cause as much death and destruction as possible.
That's so easy though, just speed run the game and choose all the worst people.
@@Jedi_Spartan No, it's harder than it sounds. Harder than doing everything correctly imo.
Doing badly? That's easy. Killing all but 2 squadmates in ME2? Also easy. We're talking about maximizing death and pain overall. The sooner and more awful the better. This means killing the rachni queen, ignoring Bring Down the Sky, killing the colonists on Feros, killing Gianna Parasini and her "boss" on Noveria and then shaking down Lorik Qui'in, beating that one guy up in the start mission, get Conrad Verner killed, sparing Rana Thanoptis, letting Kirrahe and the STG team die, and so much more. And this is just the major quests in the first game. Lots more pain to inflict in the side quests and the next two games.
Some choices you have to deliberately plot out to inflict as much pain as possible. Ie: talking down Wrex in the first game, then destroying Maelon's data, then sabotaging the genophage and killing Wrex so that the Krogan are left with no leaders and no future. Ignore the mission to defuse the Turian bomb on Tuchanka for good measure. Oh, and release the reaper-controlled Rachni queen.
Then, top it off by choosing the refuse ending (or vaporization Destroy ending if that's your style) and you have a genocidal maniac Shepard. I wanna plot this out now.
@@gianni50725 Oh, I thought you were referring to Mass Effect 2 only.
XLetalis did a video on this back in May, on how to kill everyone including Shepard. People are right when they say you have to put some effort into killing off everyone.
@@Bateluer Although I saw a playthrough of ME2 where everyone except Miranda died (although I don't think the guy recruited everyone).
3:11 If it wasn't for that, you could have just shoved Jacob in the vents.
I thought that was the usual way to approach this
For some reason I always thought that Legion's hacking skills are so good that he will do the tech job with no issues. Guess I was wrong
"We are... Distracted. Old Machines are rewriting us because we did not complete our Loyalty Runtime. You may suck this platform's external genetalia unit, Shepard-Commander."
I thought Legion could open a door as an advanced AI with over 1000 runtimes running on that mobile platform. I also thought Thane as a master assassin could sneak through some vents. Doh!
To trigger the Collector Ship Mission, you can actually even do the Firewalker Missions. All you need seems to be 5 Missions in which you leave your ship. I did that in my last run to get the new weapon specialization as early as possible.
This number can change though. The Collector abduction took place for me after doing just 2 missions post Reaper IFF install.
@@faded1to3black No that is another mission. That always happens after one other mission. What he means is the mission in which you enter the Collector Ship and find out that the Collectors are originally Protheans.
@@faded1to3black the number of missions between getting the Reaper IFF and having the Collector ambush is determined roughly by how many missions you did between the Collector Ship and gaining the Reaper IFF. If you went straight for the Reaper IFF, you will be able to do a couple more missions compared to if you did a lot of missions before getting the Reaper IFF.
If you do a lot of missions before doing the Reaper IFF, you'll probably only be able to do one mission, which ideally should be Legion's Loyalty Mission, as he will offer it to you right away after talking to him. I imagine if you've done literally every other mission in the game other than Legion's Loyalty Mission, going on his mission may trigger the attack immediately.
Then again, you have to select a squad to visit hub worlds like Tuchanka or the Citadel. So perhaps you have the leeway of Legion's Loyalty Mission and then visiting another hub world will trigger the Collector ambush.
I love how you said "Simply ignore their pleas for help"
"Simply ignore their pleas for help" made me laugh 😂
I know this isn’t related to the topic of the video. But I realized that Jenkin’s voice actor is in ME2. He the kid you pump into in omega while trying to get Archangel.
But yeah something kinda trivial that I thought was funny and cute
That's a very good observation.
I really felt bad for Jenkins character arc. If he had seriously injured but survived the Eden prime mission but became unable as a squadmate, later he provided some non-combat help to Shepard, again appeared in ME2 to do more support and his backstory was given somewhat more attention, then he died in ME3 along with that Kid while Shepard was leaving Earth. I think this would have given him a proper character arc.
He went out like a punk. Just walked into and open field and got toasted. A minor mis-step int he grand scheme of things, but it would have been a great opportunity to set the tone of the game by having Shepherd make a decision, give him an order that leads to his death. Then it makes the death carry weight. And makes it like "boom, my choices have consequences".
It is a good observation. I'm gonna pretend from now on that I saved Jenkins little brother from calamity. Redemption.
This is canon. Otherwise the suicide mission is not suicide
No man left behind sir!
"Suicide Mission" applies to the Collectors, good sir. 😉
Very interesting that you can get all essential ship upgrades without doing the loyalty missions. I've always done them even in my worst playthrough unless I'm deliberately trying to kill people. Really cool video!
I like your videos. You show things I've been curious about but don't have the time to discover myself.
I find it funny that you just killed off literally all the ladies and just them
May it's just coincidental or intentional or i don't know.
Mordin also died :-P
@@Arijit_Das_ He focused mainly on those with a low "hold the line" score, so largely intentional. Except Miranda and Samara.
Ngl that was lowkey my first playthrough end, all the women died and all the guys survived. Not sure how i pulled that off but yea lol
Playing my second me3 play through in legendary and trying to speed through it. 😢 I lost the queen and was heart broken. Pay attention to your choices kids.
Male Shepard really just trying to make an all boys club with this run
Minus Mordin 😢
So no, you cant survive the mission, because you lose your heart when tali dies...
Mass Effect 2 suicide mission but every time we see/hear that someone has died, they make the Deus Ex 1 death scream.
Its like a punch in the gut to see the Squad go down in the end like that. Leaves the whole of ME3 to Joker...and that's...just as grim.
Worst case scenario is that Joker and EDI are the only survivors of the Normandy SR-2. Every squadmate dies, Shepard dies, and the rest of the crew die if you don't provide them an escort.
Yeah the Reaper War ain't gonna be won in that timeline.
I will always do kasumi loyalty mission.. i need to Locust.
Best gun in the game!
I think I commented this on one of your other videos, but I wanted to put it out there again. I saw a video years ago with a playthrough of the Citadel missions where almost everyone was dead. Whoever did it worked out every possible death and did a playthrough like that. In the "all hands on deck" part, there's literally not enough squadmates alive to do it, so you actually bring the two Alliance soldiers who guard the war room. I haven't been able to find that video since. Could you do a video like this one for that? Fair warning: it's super depressing, especially the "party" afterward.
How about an overview of "Who can die where?" that includes the approach run and draws attention to how Mordin dies a lot if you aren't careful
I made that mistake recently.
when i first finished me2, mordin died. to which, i was like, i mean, he did make a new genophage strain so eh. Tali died in that save too. I started playing through me3 and got to the would-be tali recruitment and i couldnt do it and re-did the suicide mission and beginning of me3 lol
I have literally never let anyone die on this mission so I love getting to see this. But then the sad piano music hits and..... emotional damage 👉
This man said "Ignore their pleas for help".
Good god, the way mordin goes is absolutely heartbreaking
Thank you for the upload your the best mass effect Chanel .
No loyalty you say?
*Renegade Shepherd likes this*
Hey BigDanGaming! Love ur videos! I was wondering if you could do a video on differences in ME2 for doing things after the collector base (like how u can kill Zaeed when you can’t normally). It’d be cool to see things like, Grunt released post collector base or something. Thanks, and keep up the great work!
I like how everyone dying when closing the door die because they can't manage to push without stretching their neck as far as humanly possible into the line of fire.
The fact that you can lose literally potentially HALF of your crew during this mission with these parameters is crazy; honestly can't see not doing the loyalty missions not just b/c of the Suicide Mission, but just b/c they are so great to do and have so much to offer character wise. I saw a video of someone who did the suicide mission (don't remember the name of the youtuber) who showed a video of what it would be like if you lost everyone - he or she lost everyone on the mission, even shepherd. Only thing I can imagine is if you didn't have any of the ship upgrades and didn't do the loyalty missions (which is probably what they did) is the end result of that video that I saw would come to pass? Even shepherd didn't survive; only Joker....was nuts.
I think not. Even with no loyalty and no upgrades you can probably survive, but only if you pick the correct choices I believe.
When I first beat the game as a kid, I had no ship upgrades, and I think I only had Thane, Grunt, Garrus, and Mordin loyal. Unfortunately, Thane died on approach to the collector world. As a kid, I was devastated because he was one of my new favorite characters. I also, for some reason, never activated Legion as a kid. I didn't trust the Geth I guess lol. This was almost 13 years ago, so I can't remember exactly who survived, but I think it was just Garrus, Samara Miranda, and Jacob who survived. All of my favorite characters, Garrus aside, had died, and I was sad a kid, but at the time, I didn't know how much I could impact the mission.
It wasn't an ideal playthrough, but it was my first one, and I'm glad I got to experience such a shocking end my first go around. Really feels like that's how Bioware intended you to experience it the first time.
Kind of a giant plot hole that jack’s superbiotic ass couldn’t take over as Jacob’s barrier was failing.
Didn't expect that outcome
Kasumi got slapped with a singularity. Matriarchal Aethyta sends her regards
For anyone wondering here is my analysis of how to save everyone with least amount of loyalty missions:
So if you have full DLC squad you need to do 4 mandatory (Garrus, Tali, Jack, Mordin) and 3 any additional (f.e. Jacob, Samara and Thane).
Mission will go:
1. Tali/Garrus
2. Jack/Garrus/Mordin
3. Tali/Jack
Hold the line
[4(Loyal Garrus)+3(Grunt)+3(Zaeed), +1(Miranda)+2(Loyal Jacob)+2(Loyal Thane)+2(Loyal Samara)+1(Legion), +0(Kasumi) = 18/9] equals 2.0 so everyone survives.
If you just don't recruit Kasumi you can get 2 less loyalty missions. That leaves us at the same mandatory of Garrus, Jack, Tali and Mordin and one additional f.e. Samara.
Hold the line will be
[4(Loyal Garrus)+3(Grunt)+3(Zaeed), +1(Miranda)+1(Jacob)+1(Thane)+2(Loyal Samara)+1(Legion)=16/8] 2.0 and everyone survives. That leaves us at 5 mandatory loyalty missions.
Then you can try to not recruit Zaeed, Kasumi, Thane and Samara, not waking up Grunt and not launching Legion. You are mandatory to pick up Garrus, Mordin, Jack and Grunt before Horizon, but after you can do short side missions. You left with Garrus, Tali, Jack, Mordin, Jacob and Miranda. First four of them should have loyalties done. Then your Suicide Mission goes like this.
1. Tali/Garrus
2. Jack/Garrus/Mordin
3. Tali/Jack with you.
And we have left with Garrus, Jacob, and Miranda to hold the line. Hold the line score will be 4(Loyal Garrus)+1(Jacob)+1(Miranda)/3 equals 2.0 which means everyone survives. This is not the only way to do Suicide Mission with only 4 loyalty missions done, but it's the most radical with least squadmates.
That leaves us with 4 minimum loyalty missions for everyone to survive.
5:51 I mean in theory jacob and jack could have just switched barriers
No, even if it was Jack doing the barrier, it would have failed because she wasn’t loyal
@@joeywild2011 I think what they mean is that, outside of game mechanics, Jack should probably have just put her barrier up when Jacob's failed and everyone would have survived the walk. Jacob's barrier laster a good ten minutes; Jack's could have held for a few more seconds.
You got every woman on your crew killed, and somehow decided to save Jacob...
Ah, Jacob... The Kaiden and James of this Mass Effect.
I hate leaving quests incomplete, so the only loyalty mission my renegade didn't get involved the hertics when he gave that salvage Geth to Cerberus
Miranda was disloyal after her disagreement with Jack. Left Zaeed behind on his loyalty mission (have a mod letting me do that before the collector base). I didn't upgrade the ship too, but because I wanted to complete what was in my journal my Renegade Shepard survived with Garrus, Jacob and a certain Asari that I couldn't invite to the next game's party
I didn't give Tali'Zorah the Geth data, I got her exiled, I was still able to romance her, but she didn't make it when I took Garrus and Kasumi to the shuttle bay. Jack & Thane also didn't see the collector base. Mordin's Omni-tool upgrade was useless, perhaps I should've let Jacob volunteer. Grunt is a horrible team leader. When Kasumi held the line with Jacob and Morinth, she didn't make it. Miranda & Garrus were on the final assault, do love Miranda telling Tim off, but she was disloyal and didn't make it. If I had Jacob in the tube and Miranda doing the bubble instead of Morinth, who knows if I'd survive lol 😝
you did better than me on my first playthrough and I did like 9 of the characters missions
Normandy looking like a weenie roast after that run
Joker (and EDI) are the only characters that cannot die during the suicide mission. That includes Shepard, and that includes you.
What happens on Feros if, after clearing Exogeni HQ and Lizbeth jumps out, you just keep driving? If you skip contact with Jong, Lizbeth's mother, and the whole group entirely. You wouldn't get the gas grenades. But could you take out all the colonists with hand to hand? Would Jong survive but "liquidate" Mama Baynam, Gavin Hossel, and the rest of that group? Tell me! I must know!
Thank you for doing the things I'm too sentimental to do 🙏
"If only there was something we could have done to save them." LMFAO!!!
seeing jack die like that tore my heart in two
Thank you for doing something that some of us, Including I wouldn't have the heart to do.
3:27 I'm offended, but that's totally accurate!
I'm a Talimancer. I feel the same way.
I'd like to see "how few loyalty missions can you do while saving everyone".
That'd be cool
“How could you sacrifice our queen, you piece of shit!?”
😂😂😂😂😂
Dude you gotta do it!!!!!! I sure dont have the heart to import that or even play it that way.
I'm a little surprised you suggested viewers find a video elsewhere.
I think you could have saved another squadmate by letting the crew die without an escort: you could have left Samara holding the line so that she could survive while bringing Tali with you facing the human reaper (unfortunatelly, as a 0-point character, I think there's nothing you can do for her)
Success via attrition. Admiral Garrel would be proud. I’m not Garrel.
dan a intresting question for ya , if you somehow see this
who cannonically is on each mission? most of the team with us in the first game says at one point or another they were there when saren got defeated as if they were on the strike team.
other than the obvious "this character has to be on the mission" is there any clear way to determin that? perhaps based on how the +1 interacts with the main tagalon , like on priority thessia, it really does make sense that javik came with.
personally i feel like garrus is there with us when we take rannoch.
Thats more crew members alive than I had in my save
"If only there was something we could have done to save them."
Funny, but I cannot forgive sacrificing Kasumi to Harbinger. Expect a call from the Inquisition.
I'm sad at some of these deaths, but I'm so happy my boi Garrus survived! :)
When I found out it was possible for Shepard to die, I actively tried just to see what would happen. But was thwarted since Garrus survived and hauled my ass up in the ship. My boi failed me on my suicide attempt!
So I reloaded, stuck him in a different job and mourned his death before watching Shepard fall to her death. RIP
Honestly if a soldier only lost 6 people taking out a base that size, they'd probably be considered the best leader ever.
I feel like there were a more than a few people who picked up this game not bothering to do any sidequest stuff or upgrades, because of the slight genre shift, and ME2 is more of a tps instead of an rpg. I can imagine them going through the game, and finding out you could have your entire team survive was mind blowing, because they thought that was just how the story went, and a bunch died because... feels?
Yea I'm doing all my loyalty missions now 😂 that's sad
You must do at least 4 for Garrus, Samara, Tali and Mordin mandatory and 3 for any additional to hold the line. f.e. Jacob, Thane and Jack. You pick up Tali and Garrus for the first one, then Samara and Garrus for the second one sending Mordin with the crew and for the final one you bring Tali and Jack with you.
Average for holding the line will be 4(Loyal Garrus)+3(Grunt)+3(Zaeed), +1(Miranda)+2(Loyal Jacob)+2(Loyal Thane)+2(Loyal Samara)+1(Legion), +0(Kasumi) = 18 / 9 equals 2.0 which means everyone will survive.
Funniest thing is, if you never recruit Kasumi, you can do 2 less loyalty missions. So that will be the same 1. Garrus/Tali then 2. Samara/Garrus/Mordin and for the final you pick Jack and Tali. Remaining hold the line score is
4(Loyal Garrus)+3(Grunt)+3(Zaeed), +1(Miranda)+1(Jacob)+1(Thane)+2(Loyal Samara)+1(Legion)=16/8 equals 2.0 which means everyone will survive. That leaves us at 5 loyal missions for the crew without Kasumi (you can recruit her after anyway).
The worst part is most characters that he saved will die in ME3 either due to a scripted segment, or the fact that you didn't complete their loyalty mission.
All the good people we lost and Jacob survives.
Short answer: yes… but your teammates are screwed
My favorite thing to do is take Jack and Miranda with me seeing how they love each other so much . 😂😂
It only takes 5 loyalty missions to have everyone survive if you play your cards right.
you need 4 just to cover specialists and final squad, and then you need 4 more to bring up the Hold the Line average to 2 points.
I played through ME2 twice back during original release, failed Garrus’ loyalty mission both times, failed Thane’s the second time, yet never lost a single character. I always thought that was weird, though I don’t know a lot about how the game calculates party member deaths.
How did you fail garrus’ loyalty mission? It’s impossible to fail it as far as I know.
@@zychel1234 Apparently my memory has failed me. I thought the mission where you shadow someone from above was Garrus’, but I looked it up and it’s Thane’s. That’s the one I failed twice because I just couldn’t keep track of my target. Regardless, Thane still survived both playthroughs.
In my first playthrough, Legion was the one carried off by the swarm. I'd even completed his loyalty mission (but was abysmally bad at most of the other prep work)
I wish Shepard had a loyalty mission too. Involving the commander's background...
That would be a really cool mission that changes based on how you built Shepard--maybe even down to the class you built? It would be a really neat and unique mission!
I tried a playthrough intentionally trying to get the worst possible ending in Mass Effect 3, (killed wrex, let the the council die in ME1). And that included having everyone die in the suicide mission in ME2 except Samara and Zaeed. ME3 felt like a completely different game with a much darker atmosphere. Personally I would recommend anyone to try that playthrough as it makes you appreciate all your squadmates and the impact your choices have throughout the series even more.
I always thought that a perfect survival count in the Suicide Mission ruins the atmosphere. It's a Suicide Mission after all...
I usually make Legion die in a ship explosion, Jacob in the seeker swarm walk (with Miranda in charge of the biotic field), unloyal Zaeed against the Human Reaper and Mordin holding the line.
By the way, Jack's facial expression in the video while she is dragged away by the swarms will haunt me...
6:00 “let the salarian handle it, he can talk them to death”
How about a video on the minimum amount of characters you need to recruit for everyone to survive. Beyond Act 1, the only character ESSENTIAL to survival is Tali as she has the last upgrade and (if excluding DLC) is the first character who can fill the Tech Specialist role. You get all the Commander Specialists in Act 1 (two of which are by default) and Jack is capable of being a successful Biotic Specialist. Afterwards it's just a question of Hold The Line scores and loyalty.
What about doing the minimal amount of missions to keep everyone alive, incluiding avoiding recruiting someone? I think you can get away with 4? 1) Tali for Vent, 2) Garrus for both Fireteams, 3) Jack for Biotic, 4) Mordin for crew escort. And avoid recruiting Samara and Kazumi, this should give 14 points with an averange score of 2 if you go with Tali and Jack for the final part.