@@TitusKingdom I wouldn't agree with this scenario as this happened after the suicide mission and no matter what you did through it he'd have no reason to want to revive you
Admittedly, the reasoning behind it is quite solid for once... I mean, somehow I doubt the rest of your crew would be exactly thrilled to hear you'd sacrificed a loyal squadmate for her homicidal daughter..!
@@PeteTheGrouch I dont know, the crew seems to always accept the most despicable shit from shepard because they are the commander and they can do no wrong. Its jarring especially when renegade Shepard acts like a bad leader
I mean you are working for Cerberus and trying to save the galaxy so Shepard can do whatever he likes. They should’ve made Morinth her own character instead of literally just Samara.
@@cjnf11 I always wondered why in ME3 noone could see the difference between a perfectly normal looking Shepard (clone) and the damaged cyborg Shepard (red eyes, scars).
@@mekkloood KotOR II (which is Obsidian, not Bioware) had a nice dialogue with NPC if your character looked ugly because of the dark side. Something like "if you'd travel through space shitholes as much as I did, you'd look the same".
@@mekkloood actually both in ME2 and ME3 certain characters have dialogue about your renegade look such as doctor Chakwas,Garrus,Brooks and a few others
True, but we had no idea when playing ME2 when it was released what would happen to her past the end of the game. For me, playing a renegade leaning Shepard it makes sense to save Morinth over Samara, playing as a paragon leaning Shep it goes the other way. However, with the benefit of knowing the outcomes of this decision in ME3, it does make it harder to side with Morinth at all as you miss out on the further story development in ME3 when having Samara along in the relevant mission.
Honestly if you're gonna pick Morinth over Samara, it's better to just arrange her death during the Suicide Mission so that she goes out with a good cause. Ofc I only ever go with Samara
@@helpme2719 then procededs to have a child tht acts just like renegade sheperd. Sheperd baby: *blows morinth to peices* thts for killing my dad...bitch
That was one of the decisions that never made that much sense to me from an in game perspective, even as a Renegade character: Samara is already pledged to you and you know Morinth kills for fun. As a Renegade, you are not purely evil, you just ruthlessly take any step necessary to defeat the collectors. Even if you think that Morinth shouldn't be killed, you would still side with Samara either way. As a Paragon, you follow Asari law and side with your crewmate. As a Renegade, at that point in the story you wouldn't know of any benefit of Morinth over Samara. You just know of the risk that Morinth poses to your crew and mission.
It's why it's better to mix and match your choices according to a cohesive Shepard personality. I go for a style that gets most of the good benefits of Paragon, but you still get to do most of the fun Renegade stuff.
A simple rewrite where they have Morinth say "I'm just as powerful as her but I'm not bound to my mother's code. Her code will eventually hurt your mission, Shepherd..." would probably be enough of a hook for a renegade Shep to make the call to side with her without it seeming like silly cartoon villainy.
Poor gal honestly. Imagining actually really liking Morinths cool nature, then walking into a mission only to have a giant banshee show up. All seems normal until that chilling moment where you check out the health bar and see that it doesn't say Banshee...it says Morinth. That's really dark
I'll never get over the absurdity of Morinth's voice line: "I'm the genetic DESTINY of the Asari!" Girl you literally kill anything that you mindfuck. It's the genetic deficiency* of the Asari. xD
Yeah even Samara discusses this in a conversation with Shepard. Shepard brings it up and she’s like “Yeah disregard that, she didn’t know what she was talking about. How would we reproduce? They’re sterile.”
She had a point though. If the asari had never made contact with other species, there would've probably been a point were Ardat-Yakshi would've been more and more common. Common enough to warrant concern for the future of the species. Of course by the time of ME2 that point was moot and held no weight but she expressed it in a way to try to shift the blame for her situation on the asari government who seeks to hide away all flaws from their race (see: hidden Prothean beacon on Thessia).
One thing I'm surprised you didn't note is a change in ME2's _Lair of the Shadow Broker_ DLC campaign; bringing along Morinth to the titular lair, the Shadow Broker implies he knows what you did to Samara by telling Liara "I'm surprised the Justicar came, Tsoni; considering her... 'changed agenda."
It should be noted that Morinth's dominate power can be passed down to any future playthrough along with Samara's, so you should at least do this once for the power option
@@DantesInferno96 hardly. It only works on synthetics, meaning unless you are fighting geth or eclipse it's completely useless. Meanwhile, dominate effects any unprotected organic target, which is the majority of the game. I had an insanity playthrough carried by my adept being equipped with dominate to cut my enemies' numbers down by themselves
@@canadian__ninja True. Maybe it could be a random chance thing? Like, there's 'technically' a romance option there. But any time you do the horny you have like a 50/50 chance of instant death. And even success leaves you in a bad state And then maybe there's some way to build a resistance to it as part of the romance route
It really made no sense to side with Morinth ever. If they included more story or playtime together with Morinth to somehow entice you to like her more then yeah maybe somehow. But you have been playing with Samara for a while and all of a sudden this choice pops up with no real background as to why it would appear. Why would Sheppard ever choose Morinth over Samara? He knows Samara is loyal and she pledged herself to him, Morinth is just a wild card and a huge gamble. Played these games so many times and I never picked her, not even for the lols. :S
The worst part is too that after recruiting she isn't nearly as evil as the game let on, she's just an asari who wants to experience what the rest of her race can, but can't because she kills everyone she's liked. If they played their cards right they could have written Morinth as a really tragic character who is good deep down but hs been given the middle finger by life
Lemme see I picked Morinth because it was a 100% renegade playthrough . Then I hit the Suicide Mission and regretted my choice and lost Grunt. Got really disappointed when she turns into a named Banshee.
I sided with Morinth because I pitied her. She’s born with a genetic defect that she can’t control, and is told to either be forced to live her life locked away in a monastery, or be killed by her mother. And Samara’s uncaring and cold attitude towards killing her daughter rubbed me the wrong way. My crew in Mass Effect arent just people who work for me, they’re my friends. People I fight with because I care about them. Samara’s definition of ‘caring about’ someone is that she might say a few words before she kills them. That’s all she offered Morinth.
First playthrough I also pitied her, but as samara's loyalty mission progresses it's hard to feel sorry for her when you see how she manipulated the girl from omega. Also samara comments on how shes not a tragic figure, she kills because she's addicted to it.
6:55 Grunt's reaction to morinth's comment is just another reason why I love this game also is his the only unique response to her as he does call her an "Asari slut" so does he know that she was never Samara all along?
Likely just simply cut content that they missed cutting out of that mission. I assume they were going to give her full unique dialog but that would've taken time adding a whole other squad mate that few would get
This has got to be one of the most unsatisfying outcomes in the series. It's very obvious the game has an optimal choice for this scenario and making this decision besides potentially killing you, also robs you of other content even into ME3. It's up there with killing Wrex on Virmire.
@@Jonmbeast You have to kill Wrex in ME1, delete research in Mordins loyalty mission in ME2. That way both Wrex and Eve are dead. Then you hide the fact about sabotaging the genophage and when confronted my him at the tower you can convince Mordin that it's for the best. You will not encounter him again, but he will be alive.
I mean in honesty though, when playing these games for the first time I really didn’t know what I was going to lose in the next game depending on what choices I made. At first I saved Ashley, but on my second run I realized how much of a mistake that was and how I needed to repent. Same thing with Wrex when I killed him on Virmire or when I saved the Geth instead of the Quarian’s in ME3. Looking back if I saved Morinth I would have no idea how much I wouldve missed out on. But I agree BioWare clearly has a specific choice they want you to make which I hate along with how they changed Paragon to be good and Renegade to be evil.
I dunno man. Some dark choices are cool but some are pointless. Siding with morinth seems like a waste. If u hook up she kills u and in me3 shes absent. Samara is the practical choice
I recall reading somewhere that Morinth's fate in ME3 wasn't actually planned but Bioware had a falling out with the voice actor and didn't have time to find a new one. Might be misremember that though
I heard something about that too. It's likely that Morinth would have showed up at the Lesuss mission in Samara's place if that didn't happen. Kinda curious how that would have turned out if that really was the case.
I feel like they could've commissioned jack's va or another similar backround npc to take over instead still. There was other npcs that had similar voices (in my mind at least)
this is such an underrated channel. I'm new to mass effect trilogy and your guide helped me a lot that i got a perfect ending in mass effect 3. thanks a lot dude
I am surprised you do not mention the messages Morinth Sends Falare and Reala and in the Monastery Matriarch Galae will mention in a message that someone named Morinth is trying to contact them.
In the 6 or 7 playthrough's I did I was never really tempted to take Morinth's side against Samara except a quick "let's see what happens" after which I died. Didn't really realize that you could make use of her past mission. Nice vid, enjoyable content for rpg'ers. Subbed. Take care.
Wasn't the point of the character. Morinth was basically Jack but with no redemption arc. She would've went from place to place like in ME2 killing people and continuing right up until a Reaper attack. Which is why she becomes a banshee and isn't at the Monastery. The devs would also know that barely anyone sided with Morinth by statistics, so the effort they made (next to none) makes sense.
@@benjaminencarmine True, but Banshee ain't it. I think if she survived and was well, but ended up being an asari cult leader who you need to take down would be better. There are already cults of sorts around the ardat yakshi anyway.
So Morinth went to earth either before or during the reaper invasion to probably meet up with you again and help you out. That or she caught wind that your last stand would on earth headed there and unfortunately got captured. Being an Ardat-Yakshi and thus a "valuable resource" the reapers converted her maybe only a few hours before you land back on earth. She did say she was on an alliance planet but wouldn't specify which. So why not the planet of someone who actually cared to help her and seems to have an attraction to?
I think its that the Ardat-Yakshi mission didnt have her pressent because she was either going to be there and ended up dying her sister not seeing her and got converted and instead of sending her to the front lines the Reapers knows that she is personal to shepard and they deploy her to Earth since the Reapers anticipate the Invasion. But thats only a guess.
@@therealriley6075 I doubt she'd ever step foot on that place. Obviously she doesn't respect nor care for her family. On some levels I can't blame her, imagine being discriminated against by the person that birthed you because you inherited faulty genes from said parent. Doesn't make her any less evil but she can be somewhat sympathized with. Ironically it is because of the way the Asari treated the Ardat-Yakshi (yes I get they are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS) and the exile of them to one place that gave the reapers a resource and a new unit that rounded out their troop roster. In the end Morinth shows an almost obsessive fixation on Shepard however. Being interested in someone who could not only defy her but sided with her against her mother when no one else would.
@@godknightomega nah, you can read her messages on Liara terminal in ME 3 where she says that she misses her sisters very much and wants to be together with them. Btw she says there that she went back to her home on Tessia. So Morinth didn't go to Earth as a living asari because of some obsession/love for Shepard - she was killed on Tessia and obviously reapers transported her as an ordinary troop to the Earth.
Morinths Dominate works awesome on a mission where you find the Legion. There are a lot of husks, and some of them are suicide husks. Guess what will happen if you dominate that suicide husks. Also, Shepard can learn Domination. After that you can play NG+, choose Samara, and keep Domination to yourself keeping Samara in the storyline. That would be awesome if Kai Leng could be dominated and events with salarian dalatress hostage and mission on Thessia could go in unpredictable way.
As a Vanguard, I've found the good ol charge/Nova combo does the trick on Legion's mission. Combine that with Samara's upgraded throw and it's almost a cake walk.
@@HeraldandGeraldas a soldier class the whole trilogy I believe my shepherd commander is an adrenaline addict Keeps dosing adrenaline shots every 5 seconds 🤣
I LOVE Samara, but Morinth is pretty fascinating. She’s basically a vampire. Am I weird for kind of feeling sympathy for her? In some dialogue, she admits she’s lonely, and at least gives her victims (“lovers” as she calls them) the greatest pleasure possible before they die. She can’t stay with anyone, and hoped Shepard was strong enough to survive intimacy with her so she wouldn’t be alone anymore. She was already considered a monster before she eventually became a true one, and poor Samara was killed for nothing. Morinth being turned into a Banshee made me sad! I can’t help it! lol She’s not a good guy by any means, but like Samara said, “she’s a tragic figure.” I can’t help but feel bad for her to a degree. I’ve always been drawn to awesome bad guys, though.
Pretty sure Morinth lied about all of that to make you want her, because at the end she just kills you, she doesn't even try to be with you intimately, and she probably doesn't even know how to in human terms. For her the orgasm comes from getting attention and killing innocents.
@@bzqp2 Morinth: I love Krogan. Passionate, violent.. They burn bright.. and quickly burn out. Grunt: Go away, Asari slut! Morinth: I love it when you're angry.
I remember when I accidently killed Samara on this part. I just so happened to click right when the options came up and it was on the 'Kill Samara'. I had to sit through the entire cutscene with Morinth while yelling "I DON'T WANT YOU." Before I could finally reload my save.
I f**king lost it when getting intimate with Morinth ended with Game Over. XD I should try sucking it up and mainly do renegade choices throughout the trilogy. Seems to become an entirely different experience. It's just so difficult to be a full blown renegade for me, since I always get so emotionally invested and keep making choices out of my own personality.
I've always felt like this choice is one of the series's biggest missed opportunities. I know that the way she's characterised in the game makes her pretty much an irredeemable monster, but what if she wasn't? I feel like maybe if she had some sort of redemption OR her survival has a serious negative impact on the story of 3. Maybe even the Morinth banshee could be a more difficult fight, Idk. The way its implemented it seems like the obvious choice is to save Samara, with no benefit or real concequence for picking the other option.
@@JA-lr5ix I think this is the case for other squad members who show up as enemies in 3 (Legion & Jack), both feel like they were rushed and definitely deserved to be more interesting. It's also true that Morinth wasn't a priority for the developers as likely a very small percentage actually chose to save her, and considering all the stuff cut from mass effect 3, I'm glad Morinth wasn't at the top of the devs' list. Still a missed opportunity though, as I think she had the potential to be a really interesting character.
Aye, thought they missed an opportunity with both Morinth and Jack when you encounter them as generic baddies. Make them super versions perhaps....or have them have a few special lines....Both of them struggling to tell shep to kill them perhaps.
Ah you read my mind. Literally a few hours before this was uploaded, I was asking the same question! I searched your channel for it first but of course I was just a little bit early!
Wow. I love this game series! I never took some of these options and seeing them just makes me see even more why it’s my absolute favorite games ever!!!
How so? The only way Garrus dies is if you fail to upgrade the ship, don’t do his loyalty mission, and assign him to a really shit post during the suicide mission.
I actually picked Morinth during my first play of ME2. I mean, if a game is going to allow me to be cartoonishly evil..... I do wonder if Morinth would have had a bigger guest role in ME3 if they'd had more development time. Maybe that entire mission with Samara's daughters plays out differently if Morinth shows up or is still impersonating her mother for some reason.
@@sabastjanadams1829 choosing Morinth is absolutely evil though. It has no utilitarian value, but it requires you to betray and kill your teammate and let a multi murderer escape from justice.
@@sabastjanadams1829 I have to disagree. There are several times that the renegade choice is just outright evil and doesn't serve to stop the Reapers. Punching the reporter for example is just really messed up and does nothing helpful.
The Morinth/Samara fight scene is probably my fsvourite in the whole trilogy. Such a gorgeous show of biotic powers and Morinth's relationship with Samara Chef's kiss
This game continues to surprise me with its insane attention to detail. Playing the Remastered Legendary Edition, for example and I ran into Rebecca and Michael on the Citadel... and then was shocked to see them again in ME2 talking to each other, one of them said something like "Maybe we should ask some random guy off the street for advice" deciding which mods to buy lol. 🤣 Wonder if they appear in ME3. Devs had too much fun with this game and I love it.
This is sort of off topic but i wanted to share since i didn’t find a video of it- if you bring Samara and Jack to Ilium, you can have both of them express their view of planet (the small dialogue pieces at random locations with random squadmates). Anyway, when Jack expresses her view of Ilium, Samara actually responds to her lol. It’s quite funny and small but i thought it might be a detail that many people may have missed. Have fun ME players!
"Morinth will be more useful to me" Probably my favorite Renegade Shep moment just for the hilarity of it, I love we got a choice here, feels like a classic KOTOR styled decision. Could have sworn he added "I don't need you anymore" or something too 🤣
I believe if you kill Samara, save the game and then load before the mission and then kill Morinth, you can still learn dominate power as long as the save with her alive is not deleted
Honestly I feel she should’ve been a full romance. None of that death stuff. And in three she should’ve been a crewmate IMO, would’ve been a nice surprise similar to the engineer dialogue
The only time I sided with Morinth, was because of the game bug that let you reload a save before that point and still keep the domination power. I still didn't feel good about it. lol
I played this game so many times that I couldn't possibly count. I'm totally blown away that one of those giant screaming banshees were her. It kinda felt like losing a crew member.
6:15 after the suicide mission, Kasumi actually realises it's Morinth and not Samara. If I'm not mistaken she says: “I've got a feeling Morinth is gonna hit on you, but don't fall for it, she's gonna kill you!” (I played the game in my own language so I don't know how she sounds in English). It's kinda surprising tho, at first I didn't pay much attention to it but 20 seconds later I was like: “oh damn she's not supposed to know this”.
I did this once just to get her ability. Then I went back to the previous save and did it the right way. I just wanted to see what would happen but it didn't go further than the conversation after it all happened. I just wanted her special ability. 🤷♀️
I specifically did a mass effect 3 run with the purpose of seeing how many of my old squadmates I could kill outside of the suicide mission - the answer was pretty much all of them
Funniest part of this mission is something Samara mentions after you choose to kill Morinth. Morinth says she's the "future" of the Asari but she's literally sterile, how does she think anyone would believe that lmao
Was anyone else fascinated by the Asari Nosferatu Ardat Jakshi ? I loved the Vampire touch to it. Samara and Morinth do have a slight undead pale skin and look the job ....
only reason to make this choice is to unlock the dominate bonus power, which in turn opens way to an exploit that allows one to get more skill points than what was supposed to be, allowing for all skills maxed, if one has enough eezo in the inventory to do so
Morinth in ME3 is such a weak slap in the face, but no surprise they couldn't do it better, since they had such a short development time considering... Cutting out a character that only the most curious players had, and only on the second playthrough at best, I can understand that. Still, I wish she'd show up in the monastery in ME3, trying to save her sisters. And maybe in this case she'd get there in time, saving Rila, and have an awesome scene holding off the Banshees while you rescue both of her sisters.
There's another Reaper gun by the downed shuttle. As soon as you kill the reaper with the one Reaper gun, pick the other one up. When you hear the Banshee, or Morinth start the gun and fire it at her just as she appears. With her gone the Battle before the shuttle arrives is easier.
Wouldn't it have been wild if depending on your paragon/renegade level, TMI would have given you the dossier to recruit either Samara or Morinth, and with both LI missions, could switch over to the other asari?
Morinth has special dialogue in missions, especially the random non story missions, that you pick up by scans. I always pick her. Samara treats her daughter like a disease and she wonders why Morinth is evil. I like evil characters in video games, so I dont mind.
She treats her daughter like a disease cause she chose to be one, she loved Falere enough to kill herself so her daughter could live, I'm sure if Morinth made the choice to isolate herself and not go kill crazy, she'd love her a but more.
Imagine being the illusive man going through all the trouble to revive shepard only for him to die during sex
I was thinking of a scenario where he brings him back to life again because at least his body is fully intact this time around lol
hahahahaha
Perfect
One can only dream. But I like how you think!
@@TitusKingdom I wouldn't agree with this scenario as this happened after the suicide mission and no matter what you did through it he'd have no reason to want to revive you
" I'm not Samara, but I'm going to pretend to be Samara by perfectly imitating her voice so the developers don't have to record new lines"
Admittedly, the reasoning behind it is quite solid for once...
I mean, somehow I doubt the rest of your crew would be exactly thrilled to hear you'd sacrificed a loyal squadmate for her homicidal daughter..!
Also, I think it's actually the same voice actress.
@@PeteTheGrouch I dont know, the crew seems to always accept the most despicable shit from shepard because they are the commander and they can do no wrong. Its jarring especially when renegade Shepard acts like a bad leader
I mean you are working for Cerberus and trying to save the galaxy so Shepard can do whatever he likes. They should’ve made Morinth her own character instead of literally just Samara.
@@torbenfranke1859 it’s not
Samara: I wonder if this guy with glowing red eyes is going to help me hunt down my homicidal child.
Hey, that's racist, you have glowing eyes too! (also he's technically a cyborg at this point)
@@cjnf11 I always wondered why in ME3 noone could see the difference between a perfectly normal looking Shepard (clone) and the damaged cyborg Shepard (red eyes, scars).
@@mekkloood KotOR II (which is Obsidian, not Bioware) had a nice dialogue with NPC if your character looked ugly because of the dark side. Something like "if you'd travel through space shitholes as much as I did, you'd look the same".
@@mekkloood actually both in ME2 and ME3 certain characters have dialogue about your renegade look such as doctor Chakwas,Garrus,Brooks and a few others
Killing Morinth in Samara's loyalty mission seems like a mercy killing knowing that she'd be mutilated into a banshee. That's dark as hell.
Seriously, that actually goes from "maybe she had a chance" to "you're welcome in advance"
True, but we had no idea when playing ME2 when it was released what would happen to her past the end of the game. For me, playing a renegade leaning Shepard it makes sense to save Morinth over Samara, playing as a paragon leaning Shep it goes the other way. However, with the benefit of knowing the outcomes of this decision in ME3, it does make it harder to side with Morinth at all as you miss out on the further story development in ME3 when having Samara along in the relevant mission.
@@KitsuneFyora nice rhyme bro
Yeah and not worth the effort to try well except for the failure screen lol
Honestly if you're gonna pick Morinth over Samara, it's better to just arrange her death during the Suicide Mission so that she goes out with a good cause. Ofc I only ever go with Samara
Shepard: *fucking dies while hooking up with Morinth*
Morinth: "Ah shit, how am i gonna get out of this one now?"
Reapers: you wont
Morinth: I should go, important justiciar business, or whatever.
@@helpme2719 then procededs to have a child tht acts just like renegade sheperd. Sheperd baby: *blows morinth to peices* thts for killing my dad...bitch
@@austinbutcher8106 Aren't ardat yakshi sterile though?
@@lyric5064 idrk it was a joke about renegade sheperd having offspring
Commander shepard...savior of the galaxy, ultimate badass...
Killed by sex like a dumbass
😂😂😂
I laughed so hard
😂 😂 😂 👌
death by snu snu
The risk was calculated
But I decided fuck it
Not as funny as atilla the hun dying cuz of a nosebleed on his wedding night, which is a real life event.
@@vkak1 Dayum, no BS..?!
Gonna have to look that one up...
Shepard: *dies by sex*
TH-cam: you wanna buy YT Premium though?
Thanks for finding out so we don't have to!
Glad to see you made it off Virmire!
@@BigDanGaming Keep up the mass effect videos.....im lovin it
Seriously, I would never side with morinth. Thank God for youtubers👍
Hey gunnery chief Williams. Fancy meeting you here
Not in my watch!
That was one of the decisions that never made that much sense to me from an in game perspective, even as a Renegade character: Samara is already pledged to you and you know Morinth kills for fun. As a Renegade, you are not purely evil, you just ruthlessly take any step necessary to defeat the collectors. Even if you think that Morinth shouldn't be killed, you would still side with Samara either way.
As a Paragon, you follow Asari law and side with your crewmate. As a Renegade, at that point in the story you wouldn't know of any benefit of Morinth over Samara. You just know of the risk that Morinth poses to your crew and mission.
This is why my Renegade Shep's always side with Samara.
That's why I think that some of the renegade options get cartoonishly evil (to the point of stupidity and self sabotage) in the sequels
It's why it's better to mix and match your choices according to a cohesive Shepard personality. I go for a style that gets most of the good benefits of Paragon, but you still get to do most of the fun Renegade stuff.
You want the domination power, plain and simple
A simple rewrite where they have Morinth say "I'm just as powerful as her but I'm not bound to my mother's code. Her code will eventually hurt your mission, Shepherd..." would probably be enough of a hook for a renegade Shep to make the call to side with her without it seeming like silly cartoon villainy.
1:37 Morinth"look in to my eyes "
*Shepard with his demonic red eyes* "Bitch please"
Lol
Poor gal honestly. Imagining actually really liking Morinths cool nature, then walking into a mission only to have a giant banshee show up. All seems normal until that chilling moment where you check out the health bar and see that it doesn't say Banshee...it says Morinth. That's really dark
Morinth: Im as strong as she is (while using 2 hands compared to samaras 1)
Shepard: analyzes the situation...I'll go with samara
😂😂😂👌
She's only using one, look a bit closer at the scene again her other arm is just behind her body from the camera angle. Once it changes you see it.
@@Goob4Justice she initiated the move with both hands and kept it up with 1
“Behold the power... of *TWO HANDS!!!”*
~ Perfect Cell (Dragon Ball Z Abridged Ep 60 p3)
@@JyujinPlus To be fair Bleach kinda played that straight with Kenpachi during the Arancarr arc.
Shepard goes through hell and is revived. Then checks out after getting laid on his ship. MISSION FAILED
EDI: Jeff... Joker: Yes? EDI: Shepard has flatlined Joker: Wait what? How? Oh....
Morinth: I sentence you to death!
Shepard: D:
Morinth: By Snu Snu!
Shepard: :D
:D .. D: ... :D .. D:
Everyone on the normandy after they saw this on cameras
😒
Best way to die imo 🤣😂
I'll never get over the absurdity of Morinth's voice line: "I'm the genetic DESTINY of the Asari!"
Girl you literally kill anything that you mindfuck. It's the genetic deficiency* of the Asari. xD
Yeah even Samara discusses this in a conversation with Shepard. Shepard brings it up and she’s like “Yeah disregard that, she didn’t know what she was talking about. How would we reproduce? They’re sterile.”
She had a point though. If the asari had never made contact with other species, there would've probably been a point were Ardat-Yakshi would've been more and more common. Common enough to warrant concern for the future of the species. Of course by the time of ME2 that point was moot and held no weight but she expressed it in a way to try to shift the blame for her situation on the asari government who seeks to hide away all flaws from their race (see: hidden Prothean beacon on Thessia).
My headcannon is that she's already indoctrinated by this point and this is why she repeats Harbinger's lines
She's just delusional and making excuses for her own sad life.
One thing I'm surprised you didn't note is a change in ME2's _Lair of the Shadow Broker_ DLC campaign; bringing along Morinth to the titular lair, the Shadow Broker implies he knows what you did to Samara by telling Liara "I'm surprised the Justicar came, Tsoni; considering her... 'changed agenda."
It should be noted that Morinth's dominate power can be passed down to any future playthrough along with Samara's, so you should at least do this once for the power option
I mean sure but you can just as easily get it from Leviathan
@@spaccyVA except that doesn't help with ME2. That only gets you the power for ME3
@@fireblast8972 reave is just as useful really
Meh I'll take Slam. Dominate isn't that useful. Tech's AI hacking is much better.
@@DantesInferno96 hardly. It only works on synthetics, meaning unless you are fighting geth or eclipse it's completely useless. Meanwhile, dominate effects any unprotected organic target, which is the majority of the game. I had an insanity playthrough carried by my adept being equipped with dominate to cut my enemies' numbers down by themselves
7:02 I brought Grunt with me when she said that line and he said
“Go away Asari slut.”
Morinth: “I love it when you’re angry.”
😂😂😂
I kinda wish Shepard was mentally strong enough to survive that embrace lol.
That would ruin the point. You're supposed to feel like an idiot for going with horny over logic after you find out the hard way she was lying to you
@@canadian__ninja True. Maybe it could be a random chance thing? Like, there's 'technically' a romance option there. But any time you do the horny you have like a 50/50 chance of instant death. And even success leaves you in a bad state
And then maybe there's some way to build a resistance to it as part of the romance route
It really made no sense to side with Morinth ever. If they included more story or playtime together with Morinth to somehow entice you to like her more then yeah maybe somehow. But you have been playing with Samara for a while and all of a sudden this choice pops up with no real background as to why it would appear. Why would Sheppard ever choose Morinth over Samara? He knows Samara is loyal and she pledged herself to him, Morinth is just a wild card and a huge gamble. Played these games so many times and I never picked her, not even for the lols. :S
The worst part is too that after recruiting she isn't nearly as evil as the game let on, she's just an asari who wants to experience what the rest of her race can, but can't because she kills everyone she's liked. If they played their cards right they could have written Morinth as a really tragic character who is good deep down but hs been given the middle finger by life
Cuz making dumb decisions is also part of a RPG.
Lemme see I picked Morinth because it was a 100% renegade playthrough . Then I hit the Suicide Mission and regretted my choice and lost Grunt. Got really disappointed when she turns into a named Banshee.
I sided with Morinth because I pitied her. She’s born with a genetic defect that she can’t control, and is told to either be forced to live her life locked away in a monastery, or be killed by her mother. And Samara’s uncaring and cold attitude towards killing her daughter rubbed me the wrong way.
My crew in Mass Effect arent just people who work for me, they’re my friends. People I fight with because I care about them. Samara’s definition of ‘caring about’ someone is that she might say a few words before she kills them. That’s all she offered Morinth.
First playthrough I also pitied her, but as samara's loyalty mission progresses it's hard to feel sorry for her when you see how she manipulated the girl from omega. Also samara comments on how shes not a tragic figure, she kills because she's addicted to it.
6:55 Grunt's reaction to morinth's comment is just another reason why I love this game also is his the only unique response to her as he does call her an "Asari slut" so does he know that she was never Samara all along?
Maybe they smelled different. Grunt could probably tell as soon as she stepped on board
Maybe.
Likely just simply cut content that they missed cutting out of that mission. I assume they were going to give her full unique dialog but that would've taken time adding a whole other squad mate that few would get
@@CLxJames Was thinking that too
She needs to cover up her chest tbf
This has got to be one of the most unsatisfying outcomes in the series. It's very obvious the game has an optimal choice for this scenario and making this decision besides potentially killing you, also robs you of other content even into ME3. It's up there with killing Wrex on Virmire.
You have to do it once to unlock the domination ability. Maybe you can load a save
Idk man killing wrex on virmire allows you to save Mordin- I’d say that’s solid payoff enough since Mordin dies in literally every other scenario.
@@JA-lr5ix wait what all this time I did not know you could save morning. Omg
@@Jonmbeast You have to kill Wrex in ME1, delete research in Mordins loyalty mission in ME2. That way both Wrex and Eve are dead. Then you hide the fact about sabotaging the genophage and when confronted my him at the tower you can convince Mordin that it's for the best. You will not encounter him again, but he will be alive.
I mean in honesty though, when playing these games for the first time I really didn’t know what I was going to lose in the next game depending on what choices I made. At first I saved Ashley, but on my second run I realized how much of a mistake that was and how I needed to repent. Same thing with Wrex when I killed him on Virmire or when I saved the Geth instead of the Quarian’s in ME3. Looking back if I saved Morinth I would have no idea how much I wouldve missed out on. But I agree BioWare clearly has a specific choice they want you to make which I hate along with how they changed Paragon to be good and Renegade to be evil.
“No thanks, I’d rather live”
I like how you explore various morality-mixed dialogue options! These are rare to see and hard to find on TH-cam.
I dunno man. Some dark choices are cool but some are pointless. Siding with morinth seems like a waste. If u hook up she kills u and in me3 shes absent. Samara is the practical choice
It is practical, but is it moral?
You can kinda justify it with RenShep, since Samara says she’ll kill you after the mission is over
@@darth_dan8886 You mean, "but is it Morinth."
@@menji6332 XD
Samara: You will regret your choice...
*2 years later*
Shepard: Well shiet, she was right.
I could have sworn it was only a few months.
I recall reading somewhere that Morinth's fate in ME3 wasn't actually planned but Bioware had a falling out with the voice actor and didn't have time to find a new one. Might be misremember that though
I heard something about that too. It's likely that Morinth would have showed up at the Lesuss mission in Samara's place if that didn't happen. Kinda curious how that would have turned out if that really was the case.
I feel like they could've commissioned jack's va or another similar backround npc to take over instead still. There was other npcs that had similar voices (in my mind at least)
they could have just got a new va i call bs on that one just lazy writing
@@trashsombra2793 bit of both, the game was very rushed by EA after all.
@@Scootagoose was it a dragon age 2 rush our did they have more time
During my "Worst Shepard Ever" playthrough, when Morinth killed Shepard, I laughed for a good half hour
Never expected her to turn into a banshee towards the end of the game, that's a nice little easter-egg for sure. Thank you for sharing!
this is such an underrated channel. I'm new to mass effect trilogy and your guide helped me a lot that i got a perfect ending in mass effect 3. thanks a lot dude
If someone could survive morinth, she’d probably fall in love with them
I am surprised you do not mention the messages Morinth Sends Falare and Reala and in the Monastery Matriarch Galae will mention in a message that someone named Morinth is trying to contact them.
In the 6 or 7 playthrough's I did I was never really tempted to take Morinth's side against Samara except a quick "let's see what happens" after which I died. Didn't really realize that you could make use of her past mission. Nice vid, enjoyable content for rpg'ers. Subbed. Take care.
Morinth got done so dirty in ME3. She could have had a really interesting arc.
Wasn't the point of the character. Morinth was basically Jack but with no redemption arc. She would've went from place to place like in ME2 killing people and continuing right up until a Reaper attack. Which is why she becomes a banshee and isn't at the Monastery. The devs would also know that barely anyone sided with Morinth by statistics, so the effort they made (next to none) makes sense.
@@benjaminencarmine True, but Banshee ain't it. I think if she survived and was well, but ended up being an asari cult leader who you need to take down would be better. There are already cults of sorts around the ardat yakshi anyway.
I agree. Having her show up as a banshee was bullshit. It would have been cool having her interact with her sisters
So Morinth went to earth either before or during the reaper invasion to probably meet up with you again and help you out.
That or she caught wind that your last stand would on earth headed there and unfortunately got captured. Being an Ardat-Yakshi and thus a "valuable resource" the reapers converted her maybe only a few hours before you land back on earth.
She did say she was on an alliance planet but wouldn't specify which. So why not the planet of someone who actually cared to help her and seems to have an attraction to?
I think its that the Ardat-Yakshi mission didnt have her pressent because she was either going to be there and ended up dying her sister not seeing her and got converted and instead of sending her to the front lines the Reapers knows that she is personal to shepard and they deploy her to Earth since the Reapers anticipate the Invasion. But thats only a guess.
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I doubt she'd ever step foot on that place. Obviously she doesn't respect nor care for her family.
On some levels I can't blame her, imagine being discriminated against by the person that birthed you because you inherited faulty genes from said parent. Doesn't make her any less evil but she can be somewhat sympathized with.
Ironically it is because of the way the Asari treated the Ardat-Yakshi (yes I get they are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS) and the exile of them to one place that gave the reapers a resource and a new unit that rounded out their troop roster.
In the end Morinth shows an almost obsessive fixation on Shepard however. Being interested in someone who could not only defy her but sided with her against her mother when no one else would.
@@godknightomega nah, you can read her messages on Liara terminal in ME 3 where she says that she misses her sisters very much and wants to be together with them. Btw she says there that she went back to her home on Tessia.
So Morinth didn't go to Earth as a living asari because of some obsession/love for Shepard - she was killed on Tessia and obviously reapers transported her as an ordinary troop to the Earth.
Morinths Dominate works awesome on a mission where you find the Legion. There are a lot of husks, and some of them are suicide husks. Guess what will happen if you dominate that suicide husks.
Also, Shepard can learn Domination. After that you can play NG+, choose Samara, and keep Domination to yourself keeping Samara in the storyline.
That would be awesome if Kai Leng could be dominated and events with salarian dalatress hostage and mission on Thessia could go in unpredictable way.
As a Vanguard, I've found the good ol charge/Nova combo does the trick on Legion's mission. Combine that with Samara's upgraded throw and it's almost a cake walk.
@@HeraldandGeraldas a soldier class the whole trilogy
I believe my shepherd commander is an adrenaline addict
Keeps dosing adrenaline shots every 5 seconds 🤣
The development of ME3 was so rushed they didn't have time to implement Morinth :(
From what I remember hearing was that they couldn't get her voice actress.
I LOVE Samara, but Morinth is pretty fascinating. She’s basically a vampire. Am I weird for kind of feeling sympathy for her? In some dialogue, she admits she’s lonely, and at least gives her victims (“lovers” as she calls them) the greatest pleasure possible before they die. She can’t stay with anyone, and hoped Shepard was strong enough to survive intimacy with her so she wouldn’t be alone anymore. She was already considered a monster before she eventually became a true one, and poor Samara was killed for nothing. Morinth being turned into a Banshee made me sad! I can’t help it! lol
She’s not a good guy by any means, but like Samara said, “she’s a tragic figure.” I can’t help but feel bad for her to a degree. I’ve always been drawn to awesome bad guys, though.
Pretty sure Morinth lied about all of that to make you want her, because at the end she just kills you, she doesn't even try to be with you intimately, and she probably doesn't even know how to in human terms. For her the orgasm comes from getting attention and killing innocents.
7:00 Grunt noticed if you take him with Morinth on Tuchanka.
What does he say? Cant seem to find any video.
@@bzqp2 Morinth: I love Krogan. Passionate, violent.. They burn bright.. and quickly burn out.
Grunt: Go away, Asari slut!
Morinth: I love it when you're angry.
@@JPS47 That's the second best alternative to "BEGONE THOT!" I've ever heard.
Glad I told you about Morinth appearing on earth in an earlier video! 😆
What if you side with Morinth in Mass Effect 2?
Abosulutely no impact on Mass Effect 3 and you have to kill her anyway
Really?!!, all you get from saving her is either a death orgasm or banshee fight?.women i tell ya
To be fair isn't that how most relationships go anyway lol
She returns in 3 as a banchie when you land on earth near the end of the game she shows up as a named banchie
@@Whatisthisstupidfinghandle didn't know that little secret after all these years.
Shepard: how are you Morin-
Morinth: imalwaysfineshepard!
I remember when I accidently killed Samara on this part. I just so happened to click right when the options came up and it was on the 'Kill Samara'. I had to sit through the entire cutscene with Morinth while yelling "I DON'T WANT YOU." Before I could finally reload my save.
So she turns into one of those asari reapers and doesnt "grab you" with their love. Thats depressing
Deep inside that monster a part of her doesn't love you anymore 😭
Oh she does the love grab of death.
Morinth: so will you have me?
Shepard: No thanks I chose to live
This is the one of those decisions that I wouldn't do in any of my Shepards. I never saw any merit in keeeping Morinth alive and killing Samara.
you get the dominate power for future playthroughs. That's pretty cool.
The one last embrace joke at the end had me cracking up..
I f**king lost it when getting intimate with Morinth ended with Game Over. XD
I should try sucking it up and mainly do renegade choices throughout the trilogy. Seems to become an entirely different experience. It's just so difficult to be a full blown renegade for me, since I always get so emotionally invested and keep making choices out of my own personality.
I've always felt like this choice is one of the series's biggest missed opportunities. I know that the way she's characterised in the game makes her pretty much an irredeemable monster, but what if she wasn't?
I feel like maybe if she had some sort of redemption OR her survival has a serious negative impact on the story of 3. Maybe even the Morinth banshee could be a more difficult fight, Idk. The way its implemented it seems like the obvious choice is to save Samara, with no benefit or real concequence for picking the other option.
I feel like if the devs had more time, Jack and Mornith would have become mini bosses, but most people opt to save them anyway.
@@JA-lr5ix I think this is the case for other squad members who show up as enemies in 3 (Legion & Jack), both feel like they were rushed and definitely deserved to be more interesting.
It's also true that Morinth wasn't a priority for the developers as likely a very small percentage actually chose to save her, and considering all the stuff cut from mass effect 3, I'm glad Morinth wasn't at the top of the devs' list. Still a missed opportunity though, as I think she had the potential to be a really interesting character.
Aye, thought they missed an opportunity with both Morinth and Jack when you encounter them as generic baddies. Make them super versions perhaps....or have them have a few special lines....Both of them struggling to tell shep to kill them perhaps.
@@varthelm Jack definitely deserved a short cut scene or something, instead of "oh shit it's Jack! I suppose we should kill her."
@@helpme2719 And then Edi going "I think that was Jack."
‘ENOUGH MORINTH!’ The absolute voice actery going on in that line always gives me goose bumps 👀
And she's ardat yakshi, so she's become one of the banshee
8:35 How it feels to chew 5 gum stimulate your senses.
Ah you read my mind. Literally a few hours before this was uploaded, I was asking the same question! I searched your channel for it first but of course I was just a little bit early!
Wow. I love this game series! I never took some of these options and seeing them just makes me see even more why it’s my absolute favorite games ever!!!
Big Dan is an absolute legend! Freaking love this channel!
Once I chose morinth and my whole gameplay was screwed up Garrus died :(
How so? The only way Garrus dies is if you fail to upgrade the ship, don’t do his loyalty mission, and assign him to a really shit post during the suicide mission.
I assume you replayed the game, correct? That is the only redeemable turban in the Galaxy.
Madlad making all of the touch decisions that I could never make. Thank you 😌
Also that ultimate renegade look is amazing.
My baby Kasumi knows the truth.
I actually picked Morinth during my first play of ME2. I mean, if a game is going to allow me to be cartoonishly evil.....
I do wonder if Morinth would have had a bigger guest role in ME3 if they'd had more development time. Maybe that entire mission with Samara's daughters plays out differently if Morinth shows up or is still impersonating her mother for some reason.
I mean renegade isn't necessarily evil, you're just ruthlessly doing anything to stop the collectors
@@sabastjanadams1829 choosing Morinth is absolutely evil though. It has no utilitarian value, but it requires you to betray and kill your teammate and let a multi murderer escape from justice.
@@Sousabird yeah that's true
@@sabastjanadams1829 I have to disagree. There are several times that the renegade choice is just outright evil and doesn't serve to stop the Reapers. Punching the reporter for example is just really messed up and does nothing helpful.
I don't subscribe to many channels anymore, but I've been LOVING your Mass Effect content so I had to sub. Keep at it man.
I was sad to fight morinth in ME3 and thought I'd messed something up
The Morinth/Samara fight scene is probably my fsvourite in the whole trilogy. Such a gorgeous show of biotic powers and Morinth's relationship with Samara
Chef's kiss
You’re growing so fast man! You’ve helped me so much! Keep the work up man!!!
This game continues to surprise me with its insane attention to detail. Playing the Remastered Legendary Edition, for example and I ran into Rebecca and Michael on the Citadel... and then was shocked to see them again in ME2 talking to each other, one of them said something like "Maybe we should ask some random guy off the street for advice" deciding which mods to buy lol. 🤣 Wonder if they appear in ME3. Devs had too much fun with this game and I love it.
This is sort of off topic but i wanted to share since i didn’t find a video of it- if you bring Samara and Jack to Ilium, you can have both of them express their view of planet (the small dialogue pieces at random locations with random squadmates). Anyway, when Jack expresses her view of Ilium, Samara actually responds to her lol. It’s quite funny and small but i thought it might be a detail that many people may have missed. Have fun ME players!
"Morinth will be more useful to me"
Probably my favorite Renegade Shep moment just for the hilarity of it, I love we got a choice here, feels like a classic KOTOR styled decision. Could have sworn he added "I don't need you anymore" or something too 🤣
I believe if you kill Samara, save the game and then load before the mission and then kill Morinth, you can still learn dominate power as long as the save with her alive is not deleted
It's been such a long time since I played the game I forgot about that
Honestly I feel she should’ve been a full romance. None of that death stuff. And in three she should’ve been a crewmate IMO, would’ve been a nice surprise similar to the engineer dialogue
Her entire thing is she's an Ardat Yakshi, how could there be none of that death stuff?
@@shadenox8164 yeah that doesnt make any sense, thats literally her whole story arch.. i dont know how people agreed with that comment
This is great. Now that I know, I never have to do it. I love Samara. The most beautiful and soothing Asari.
Thanks for making the video i requested!
The only time I sided with Morinth, was because of the game bug that let you reload a save before that point and still keep the domination power. I still didn't feel good about it. lol
I played this game so many times that I couldn't possibly count. I'm totally blown away that one of those giant screaming banshees were her. It kinda felt like losing a crew member.
6:15 after the suicide mission, Kasumi actually realises it's Morinth and not Samara. If I'm not mistaken she says: “I've got a feeling Morinth is gonna hit on you, but don't fall for it, she's gonna kill you!” (I played the game in my own language so I don't know how she sounds in English). It's kinda surprising tho, at first I didn't pay much attention to it but 20 seconds later I was like: “oh damn she's not supposed to know this”.
Officers that him, that's the man who committed such a crime
I did this once just to get her ability. Then I went back to the previous save and did it the right way. I just wanted to see what would happen but it didn't go further than the conversation after it all happened. I just wanted her special ability. 🤷♀️
I wonder if anyone has gone a whole playthrough killing every former squadmate you can?
I specifically did a mass effect 3 run with the purpose of seeing how many of my old squadmates I could kill outside of the suicide mission - the answer was pretty much all of them
Funniest part of this mission is something Samara mentions after you choose to kill Morinth. Morinth says she's the "future" of the Asari but she's literally sterile, how does she think anyone would believe that lmao
Was anyone else fascinated by the Asari Nosferatu Ardat Jakshi ? I loved the Vampire touch to it. Samara and Morinth do have a slight undead pale skin and look the job ....
I did that once when running an evil Shepherd. Never again.
Great video as usual. Good job Dan!
Imagine saying "yes" and then changing it to "no thanks I'd rather live "
Good stuff. I always wondered about that other path.
I'm so grateful for these videos, I dont have the heart to do it myself
only reason to make this choice is to unlock the dominate bonus power, which in turn opens way to an exploit that allows one to get more skill points than what was supposed to be, allowing for all skills maxed, if one has enough eezo in the inventory to do so
Mass effect wiki says there's a scene of Kasumi warning you towards the end of the game not to embrace eternity
I wonder if I'm the only one who tried to crack Morinth and died like 10x straight expecting something different when I was a kid 😂
Billie Eilish literally has a song called "Bad Guy". Don't think there's any reason to choose her over her mom.
Lol I see what you did there
Morinth in ME3 is such a weak slap in the face, but no surprise they couldn't do it better, since they had such a short development time considering... Cutting out a character that only the most curious players had, and only on the second playthrough at best, I can understand that.
Still, I wish she'd show up in the monastery in ME3, trying to save her sisters. And maybe in this case she'd get there in time, saving Rila, and have an awesome scene holding off the Banshees while you rescue both of her sisters.
8:50 might as well state "Game over. Really, what did you expect?"
I can’t say that Morinith didn’t deserve what she got, cuz she totally did.
The fact that they could just have the majority of Morinths lines be the same as Samaras is convenient af.
There's another Reaper gun by the downed shuttle. As soon as you kill the reaper with the one Reaper gun, pick the other one up. When you hear the Banshee, or Morinth start the gun and fire it at her just as she appears. With her gone the Battle before the shuttle arrives is easier.
I actually got Morinth in my “paragon” gameplay, compared both loyalty abilities and mind controlling organics sounded more useful to me.
Yeap, thats exactly how paragon should make decisions (no) :)
@@dannymoldff2019 for the record, my paragon score was completing the last score, made only this renegade decision in the game,
Critical failure....nice touch🤣🤣🤣
Wouldn't it have been wild if depending on your paragon/renegade level, TMI would have given you the dossier to recruit either Samara or Morinth, and with both LI missions, could switch over to the other asari?
Morinth has special dialogue in missions, especially the random non story missions, that you pick up by scans.
I always pick her. Samara treats her daughter like a disease and she wonders why Morinth is evil.
I like evil characters in video games, so I dont mind.
She treats her daughter like a disease cause she chose to be one, she loved Falere enough to kill herself so her daughter could live, I'm sure if Morinth made the choice to isolate herself and not go kill crazy, she'd love her a but more.
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I still find Samara boring.
Mass effect needs more evil characters.
Even the "evil" ones often are just antiheros.
8:49 I laughed so hard then you laughed afterwards and I died. Ohhh Shepard, you dog.
Love to see another choice I did choose. Are you going to do it in Remastered version too?