White Torture: Preserving the Body, Breaking the Mind (REDO)
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- Unlock the chilling world of White Torture - a sinister form of psychological torment designed to break minds while leaving no visible scars. Learn about its origins, mechanisms, and devastating effects. Discover which nations employ this sinister method and the impact it has on its victims. This video will leave you speechless.
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Sad thing is this reminds me too much of elderly care homes. Plain, locked in, little interaction, no chance of release. Senses only getting worse. No wonder people die quick.
I have relatives that have worked in elderly care homes and it's shocking. As soon as adults stop being economically productive, our obviously productivist society starts treating them like animals and dehumanises them in a way you'd only see in movies. Specially in elderly care homes, those places are legit prisons and no one is talking about it because no one remembers them. Many of them are just lost souls waiting for their time.
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Sadly my grandmother went through something kind of similar. But her mind was already gone by then, all we could do was make her comfortable and see her as often before her body went too.
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I hope you can get TH-cam to calm the eff down about this channel. It's actually really important information that needs to get out. It shouldn't be 20 30 50 years before people start to learn about the dirty secrets of the government.
Right?
You are under the impression that TH-cam cares about it being important and not about protecting the powers that be.
Of course, that's why no one is allowed to criticize any government on TH-cam.
@greentoby26 You are being obtuse. Their is a noticeable difference between the ability to say "I don't like [government]" and being allowed to discuss specific actions and people that are causing the corruption.
The situation is frequently equivalent to:
Allowed - The US government shouldn't invade Iraq.
Dangerous misinformation that must be suppressed - The US government lied to Congress and the American people about the presence of WMDs to justify an invasion.
Why? What did TH-cam do??
Etymologically, this should be called White Torment. The word 'torture' literally means to 'twist the body' whereas 'torment' means 'to twist the mind.'
As a word nerd I appreciate this information.
It's almost as though the definitions, let alone common use, of words aren't predicated primarily upon their etymologies.
You made my day.
Nerd props 🖖
I guess torment is not as scary 😅
*everyone claps*
8:50 As an Iranian immigrant and former political prisoner I confirm what Simon says. I was in Evin and Karizak prisons 2008_2009 for what the government calls " disrespecting holy figures " and " risking national security", btw both of them are actually just defending basic human rights. I spent exactly 97 days in solitary and white torture was used frequently. There were also countless beating, sexual assault , electric shocks and fake executions. Sleep deprivation and even withholding of food and water is normal for them, I even remember times when they didn't provide women with pads or things like that! You lose the sense of time, place, even the sense of feeling alive. You try doing exercise and they can handcuff you in a window less 2m by 3m cell, you try talking with yourself and they close your mouth. Before I was arrested I was in a gathering where Basij attacked people and shot my boyfriend. He was gone in about a minute, while holding my hand... In the prison I sometimes saw his image in front of me, when I broke down in tears the guards watching me would laugh with joy. The only reason I didn't gave them any names of my student NGO members or gave them a written confession was that I was fully convinced whatever I do I wont leave this place alive! I just wanted to give the other time girls to flee the country. After 97 days of pure hell I came up with an infection and fell into a coma shortly after. When I woke up, still in hospital my mother gave a very big bribe to the doctors and police and managed to have me at home. Then I contacted a friend in Iraqi Kurdistan and he managed to smuggle me out of Iran and from there to USA. The people I tried to save are also in Germany and working with various opposition groups.
This video was such a great and thorough description yet hard to watch. Thank you Simon for being a voice for the oppressed, yet one brave nation of Iran. When this dictatorship is over you will be a very welcome guest in Iran, for which we're a nation not to forget helping hands. I wish all politicians around the aisle cared about these stuff and not try to make deals with Islamic Republic terrorists, this is better for security and stability in ME and West too. Woman, Life Freedom! Best regards from Texas
Wow…thanks so much for sharing
May God bless and comfort you in the days ahead as you work on behalf of those who can do nothing for themselves.
Aaannnddd... Welcome to America! Your choice of Texas is a good one. They're an especially Freedom Minded State.
Your statements have been fascinating to say the least. I'm happy to hear that things are better now. Take care.
wow good that you made it brother ; ) and good profil picture ( Go Ukraine)
Thanks for your consideration. Exactly, from the very first days I learned that people here really care about their rights and don't let bunch of hypocrites decide for them@@johnlshilling1446
I've experienced white solitary for a very small crime that didn't warrant it. I had to stay a bit longer than overnight for holding. But the cell walls were white, the floor light grey, the "bed" (plastic bench) light grey, and 5 lights beaming down harder than the sun. The lights made it hot, hard to sleep, and were never shut off or dimmed, with a camera over the toilet. I woke at 2 am and thought it was easily at least 8 am or later. Realizing you have no sense of time anymore, while thinking you did (took even less than 24 hours in a white cell for me) is more distressing than some of the most heinous things I've experienced prior. It sounds crazy, but it makes you feel very lost and unhuman. Not knowing something as little as the time, drove me crazy in those 16 hours, I'd rather opt for physical pain or a crowded smelly jail setting than a solitary white room again.
For me it gave me the horrifying feeling of being out of place or out of time. Not quite alive but not quite dead either. It's awful
Perfect description of it. I experienced something like this in solitary at a juvenile psych ward. I was 15, had just attempted suicide two days prior, and accidentally hit a nurse because I was blacking out while she was drawing blood and I panicked and flailed. I was in there for less than 24 hours, apparently, and I couldn’t talk for days afterward except to ask for my mom and ask to go home. They didn’t let me go for 11 more days.
There was a 12-year-old boy in the psych ward who had been there for months and was put in solitary regularly. He had one of those tubes/valves in his throat like late-stage smokers do, IIRC because he had been caught by crossfire in a shooting and shot in the neck. He was always put in solitary for “cursing at the staff.”
I will never forget that place as long as I live.
@@viralgayguyThey had torture rooms at a youth psyche ward? Why am I not surprised?
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@@RockBrentwood Doing my very best to disregard the rest of that which has nothing to do with white room torture, which would definitely drive you insane, the first thing you mentioned is not seeing the nerves in your eyes. That’s visual snow. I experience it in exactly the way you described. I was born with it, but some people also develop it temporarily during migraine aura or permanently from the use of psychedelics.
Having been through this myself I can confirm, that it is like a living torture. No clocks, no TV, no anything at all. The mind works in odd ways and I often found myself counting the lights on the ceiling for what felt like dozens of hours at a time. Just counting them and making patterns. Looking for anything at all to distract myself. It is seriously horrible and I'm glad I'm not in that place any longer
What Simon describes is a level of depravity that I am lucky not to have experienced, but even approaching that kind of sensory deprivation is still something I'll never forget.
Why were you in there? That's rough
holy shit where did this happen to you at? for why?
I honestly don't feel comfortable talking about it on the public internet but I will put out that I was active military for over a decade and a half and the repercussions of some of what happened landed me in that type of place. It's that whole adage once over "If I knew then what I know now" I guess@@skeetrix5577
Well bryan, are you going to do whatever it was that got you in that room ever again?
Honestly? It might be possible. My life is complicated and turbulent so I can't say for certain. What I've learned about human psychology is that we often forget how difficult things 'can' be even if we've experienced it before. Like drug addicts have gone through withdrawal and decide to take up the crack pipe a few days later.
We are complicated beings and often to our detriment. All I know is that I have NO intention to relive that experience ever again. But I also know that I am fallible.@@chrisgriffith9252
So what you're saying is my mother bassically tortured me as punishment. Extended boredom was mentally challenging, and the side effects matched what I experienced but not that extreme. I completely lost my social ability and thought I was going insane. I only ever hallucinated people in my perifrals once. Even today, I live in 24/7 derealization and convinced myself that i was overreacting. You learn more every day
I see a lot of this in society. People who have lost their self esteem and can't even leave the house. These tactics are used in everyday society.
I think that's what makes it scary is when each of us see reflections of this video in our lives and minds
While watching this I began to think about the concept of generational punishment, such as is used in North Korea. An individual who otherwise has the determination to break a law or to escape from the country has to contend with the notion that everyone they love will be punished severely for the rest of their lives. It’s a brilliant strategy for behavioral modification. A successful escape will be impossible, because even if the body has relocated the mind will always be partially in North Korea. I don’t think that I could live a happy, comfortable life, free of the hell I escaped from, while I have such an awful feeling of guilt to contend with. That really is apex level evil, in my opinion.
That’s basically a war crime😂
@sjons2177 but it's not😂
I wonder if people with no families are forced one then?
@MattH-wg7ou sure, they're exactly alike. You should try escaping somewhere that's less tyrannical. I hear Russia is lovely in the winter.
@@nolimo2593 there are stories of police showing up at a citizen's home to arrest them because the person unknowingly is related to someone who broke a law...the authorities will find someone no matter what because if they dont they themselves will be arrested. It's so bizarre that this unimpressive guy kim has so much power over so many people.
Anyone else remembered Vsauce's isolation experiment video? I think it was part of the mind field series
A work of art that was
Did Michael become ever more so unhinged after that?
Wait this isn't Vsauce?
I thought about that too
Bruh that's like asking "does anyone know who Jesus is?"
I've done hard time in Texas in a youth prison in solitary we called it a bmp a behavioral management program. 30 to 100 days in solitary depending. The cells where painted white (everything was white but the stainless steel tolet). And where kept a cool 60 to prevent bacterial growth. It's also cold enough to be highly uncomfortable when only in 1950s gym shorts and a short sleeve shirt, the cell holds that way it stays 60.... I would hear muffled noises kids fighting for their blanket. After starving all day. If you refused to give up your blanket you where starved of two meals. Give up blanket or no food. Witch was slid to you threw a flap no open door... As children under the age of 18 we couldn't be allowed to starve our selfs or go on hunger strike so they would send in the goon squad aka The turtles ala riot control unit to wrestle the blanket from you and after whipping your ass leave a try of food they shaked up ( don't sound bad but it's the salt on the wound ain't ate all day your starving hungry literally already on a diet now your peach cobbler is soaked in bean juice from the beans or maybe your main dish now is mixed with pudding and it's some kind of fucking shitty mush pride keeps you hungry tell morning) and then they will give you a blanket at night have to legally. Only to again take it from you. Longest i seen a guy go fighting well hearing the muffled sounds of him fighting for his blanket is three days. Teens mind you.. Homie was 16 will never forget. Shit does something to you. Your not the same.... You either break or not. Only two options. I had older guys tell me in passing do push ups every three meals helps keep time.. Lights go on and off at random. And helps structure your mind. Escape in your head any way but In the back of your mind always be aware of it's a escape.... I would speak my thoughts out loud just to hear my own voice bounce off the walls. When i got out one time my buddy would sit with me and be like bro you doing it again your not in the can if you need to talk or want to I'm here you don't have to hear your own voice any more. I was 16 he was 17.... I seen kids never come out the same they had to get shipped to the psych unit and never came back.... Ever. Shits crazy in Texas. I know how effective this is because even if you survive you don't some human part of you has died. It's like killing someone. Your just not the same. Does something to you. Your now and for ever will be different and the only people who know are pows and other convicts. Who don't get broken.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. Was it a long time ago? Do you know if Texas still allows it? Texas does allow some heinous shit...
@@Sienisota it's was 05 in 2012 Obama changed the laws so juveniles could not be kept in solitary for me than 2 days straight the thing is there's ways around that legally. Because the amount of time needed to be out before being put back in for 48hrs is not mandated. Texas ain't as bad now but their juvenile prison has had three federal investigations in the last like 15 years over abuse and stuff and every time they find evidence and proof of abuse but nothing even happens because well the monetary liability. The doj investigations are public knowledge you can Google them and see what they where about in 2008 the Texas rangers did a investigation but I was there for that and saw them come on the unit the detectives and stuff for the Texas rangers witch is Texas's version of the FBI and they have the legal authority of a FBI agent in some cases more. So I know that for a fact. And that goes down a conspiracy rabbit hole but the investigation is pubic knowledge. The allegations made by ex rangers who left too blow the whistle is another entire conversation.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Most people don't even consider they would do this shit to kids, but they do.
I hope we can fight hard enough to get rid of these kinds of conditions. It's unacceptable that you had to go through that.
Texas is home to macabre practices outsiders only read about in POW stories. Fortunately, gun laws are pretty relaxed there, so there's still an opportunity for militias to form and launch armed liberations of these facilities.
Did some fairly lightweight 22-month bit but just what did you do that was out of line to get there in the first place, who did you piss off?
One of my favourites on this channel Simon (why has TH-cam been pulling half of Into The Shadows?)
I spent 45 days straight in solitary.. To this day, it still affects how I interact with the world.. Now I see.
No human contact just food put thru a slot.. no sound, really.. but worst of all was the complete and total isolation.
it was a milder form of white torture.
Solitary really is inhumane. I can't see how they think it benefits anyone
But will you do what got you there again?
Of course not, that's why no one ever got incarcerated more than once.
I've always wondered what kind of people it takes to torture others. The fixation of some people clears up a thing or two.
You can get a drug charge, get locked up, defend yourself in there, and get solitary… so, please don’t judge people who have been in prison. Some people just make silly choices that lead them down a bad path. Not everyone in prison is a serial killer.
and what did you do to get sent there?
Vsauce made an original TH-cam Red show called "Mindfield"' where he tries different social & psychological experiments. The very first episode, "isolation", is him going for 3 day in a so called white room. No idea of time, bright lights on all the time, no stimuli of any kind, just water and tasteless soy paste for subsistence. What he goes through psychologically and physiologically in only 3 days is horrible. I can't imagine the effect on people who had to suffer this for months. It's an incredible piece of documentary and it's now available on Vsauce without a subscription.
Thank you, kind Sir. 😊
I mean, I like Cream as much as the next guy but having to listen to “White Room” all day *would* be torture
I really love the documentations!!
Torture is horrible, doesn’t matter which way it will be taken out.
White rooms- pretty sure they almost exist in every country. Torture is something that isn’t discussed openly.
Nothing surprises me any more.... there is a case in Britain of a man held in a glass box for 40 years.... he's still alive and if you are interested in his story your heart will break for him
*Classroom of the Elite's White Room*
*Kinderheim 511*
Having struggled with moderate mental health issues that led into addiction and having that consume my life for so long I’d definitely rather take physical punishment over psychological punishment any day. Obviously there’s levels to this but white room torture sounds absolutely horrific
Interesting video, thank you Simon.
I imagine if they combined that with an anechoic chamber they'd probably kill them. That room/device absorbs all radio and sound waves, within minutes you can usually hear your blood flowing through your ears, everything gets louder, you hear the slightest movement, your joints grind, you hear everything.
How would that affect you if you were deaf? I have barely any hearing and I'm thinking I might make out ok. By the way people are talking you'd think all us deaf people should go mad just from our condition.
@@l.5832 Very interesting point. I guess it would depend on the source of the hearing loss.
The brain amplifies input essentially, that's why you end up hearing your own bodily processes in the chamber. Some forms of hearing loss would be invulnerable to that.
There's also the ganzfeld experiment and other forms of sensory deprivation and people don't go crazy from that.. they can have extremely disturbing visualisations though and suffer very high levels of distress.
I guess the same could be said for people with high but not complete vision loss, does the mind invent things? Would people experience phantom vision?
@@MissFoxification The bodily processes have sounds????
@@l.5832 Yep, your joints are lubricated but it's not perfect.. people in the chamber can hear blood rushing in their ears. their heart beating, if swallow it's loud.. The body isn't silent. I am sure you have heard your stomach grumble at some point.
You have probably never been in an environment with no sound, there's usually something, even if only barely perceptible.
@@MissFoxification Again, I have very little hearing. I remember heartbeat from when my hearing was better. Don't know what blood rushing in their ears would sound like. Or a swallow. Similar to music. I remember what it sounds like.
I've never been in prison, but I lived in a situation with incessant, cacophonous noise that caused me to melt down (I'm autistic and have an audio sensitivity) fairly regularly. Asking for the tv to be turned down? What are you, insane? It has to be heard by the owner over his tinnitus.
Similar story: I've never been in prison, but I lived about a year and a half next to neighbors with 13 dogs that pretty much never stopped barking 24 hours a day, and it was loud enough to wake me up in the middle of the night. It legitimately started to feel like torture, and I became a frazzled mess. My nerves were perpetually on edge, and I was constantly exhausted and achy from a lack of restful sleep.
After I moved (no joke, it was the first house I ever bought, and I gave it up because I couldn't take the dogs anymore), I would still hear phantom barking when it was quiet. It took years before that finally stopped.
Even now, about 5 years later, if I'm not in the right mood, and I hear a neighbor's dog start barking, I'll get a stab of anxiety. Most people I've talked to about it don't understand, but PTSD from extreme noise exposure is legitimately a waking nightmare.
I also did a year in solitary conditions in county awaiting trial. They were trying to force a plea for something I didn't do, it eventually worked. I remember a drain fly flew in my room one day and I was so relieved to have company...
scary. think of elderly people, possibly isolated, mostly deaf and blind.... I worked in a nursing home; we know that isolation and sensory deprivation contributes to dementia. I feel sick.
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Hard to believe stuff like this exists. Humans can be so cruel
that only a disneyland when you compare to middle ages torture
@@user-kx4xs2xd3ki mean, this isn’t about the level of morbidity, it’s about the fact that this is still going on. Most tortures from the Middle Ages aren’t around anymore, but white torture still happens
They did this in Mental hospitals too. Did it to my daughter in early 2000's she was 8. Did it to my in the early 90's except they put me in a straight jacket. It doesn't help i will promise you that. Cant imagine a prison sentence like that. Promise you i would be Gone in mind and dangerous.
I took someone of a brake from watching. You are videos but here I am and I forgot just how enjoyable it is
I told my friends in high school about this after seeing a room like this, and they thought I was crazy. Only spent a minute looking into the room, and it was disturbing.
Watch the movie Murder in the First; it portrays a form of what prolonged isolation from solitary confinement can cause. But just wait until you hear what he was originally imprisoned for.
Kevin Bacon did an amazing job at playing the prisoner. Among many others, it's an all-star cast movie, including Gary Oldman, Christian Slater, R. Lee Ermey, William H. Macy, and Kyra Sedgwick. Just to name (quite) a few!
This movie was heartbreaking to my 18-year-old self, circa 1995. 💔😭
Edit: The movie is also based on a true story!
I was literally talking to my coworker about this video and wasn't able to find it. Then 2 minutes later, it reuploaded. Perfect timing lol
To make this worse, the technology exists (has for decades) to mute even the subject's own voice through noise cancelation. Meaning a person could scream as loud as they possibly can and if they hear anything at all it would be a barely audible whisper from the scream reverberating in the bones of your skull
YAY! ITS BACK!
Interesting and disturbing simultaneously. 🙁
It’s crazy to me that some of the most brutal torture sounds like it’s not that bad. Like on paper “locked in a white room” or “pour water on a towel that’s on someone’s face” and “drip water on someone’s forehead for a really long time”. None sound nearly as awful as it is
Those descriptions always have scared the hell out of me and I do not understand how anyone is not upset by it. You can not breath while water is poured on your face so you will suffocate. But they do not want you to die, so they stop just before or after you loose consciousness. Why doesn’t that sound upsetting to you? When do you think people that drowned actually suffered? At the moment of dying while deeply unconcious or while still consciously experiencing suffocating? If you understand it is the latter, you understand that waterbording means experiencing the suffering of dying again and again and again and again …
@@ritabylsma4244 a show called "the OA" had this theme pretty much. its horrifying and enraging beyond measure
What boarding drowns people, The water soaks through the cloth, so it’s a little slower, but it is drowning. Nobody can slowly drown and keep doing it if they have any option to make it stop.
@@ritabylsma4244what about the drip water onto someone forehead?
@@ritabylsma4244 Because hearing the names alone doesn’t describe the actual actions of what’s happening… You completely went over the point of the comment you replied to lmao
my undoubtably toxic trait is thinking that I could actually find this peaceful… my neurodivergent ass would love a room with the absolute minimum amount of stimulus. but I also know that I have NEVER experienced anything close to this & even if I was in complete control of my environment, I wouldn’t be surprised if white exposure wrecked me… so I’m torn between wanting to experience it and seeing if it’s calming, or being terrified of ending up in a room like that. but then again, my mind is all kinds of fvcked up so I’m used to these sorts of conundrums…
i came here to say something similar i feel like i could do it same with solitary confinement
Find a "Grotto" or "Caving Group"... Do it right, of course, and embrace the training and practice... BUT take a tour of an EASY horizontal cave. There are plenty to go to, and they have some unique features, but just ONE "level of difficulty" above a "tourist cave"... Then you can be in with a small group, and as a noob', it's almost a guarantee the cavers will get you to a quiet side chamber and let you see and feel what it's like to just sit quietly (usually around lunch or a snack break) and just shut the lamps and flashlights off... Some people can't manage to last more than a few seconds and they've got their light back on...
I can enjoy it for a few hours, now... BUT I've had experience with that sort of thing... I've used "sensory deprivation therapy" as a meditative exercise for most of my life... After a few hours I just get bored with it, generally... BUT if you let yourself find stillness, it can be VERY relaxing and rejuvenating where the outside world can be exhausting... It's even one of my favorite aspects of caving...
At least, with an occasional RECREATIONAL trip to easy caves, you can enjoy it and find your limits with relative safety. Most proper Grotto's and Groups DO abide by the best rules and practices... AND you can look up the NSS (National Speleological Society) for mentions of groups, caving rules in general, and associations and credentials you'll want to know about while you shop around your area... Pretty good chance you can find a group Registered (optimally) with the NSS in your area... sets you up for good training and success.
Good hunting! ;o)
Everybody that likes being alone or whatever would say they can deal with this. You can't. No human can. Complete sensory deprivation and total isolation is not peaceful.
Wouldn’t people fall asleep for the first 6-8 hours? I can sleep 10-12 hours so that would be the first thing. Listening to my body functions would be the annoying part, bc once there’s no ambient noise, that’s all you can hear… idk I’d also like to try it.
@@wesleyorange8133 Actually, it IS peaceful but only in measured doses...
The human brain CRAVES stimulation... SOME are overly sensitive to stimulations (certain kinds or altogether) but at some level we NEED it... AND in the absence of it, our brains WILL start randomly creating it for themselves, over-sensitizing to little things that don't actually mean anything, or completely synthesizing stuff to "make up for" the lack of outside information.
The Mythbusters did an episode on isolation in the far North (at least) and Adam and Jamie both spent like a week (I think?) in a small cabin in the snowy woods... taking mental health and competency tests... and they BOTH showed significant deterioration over that time, while they BOTH over-reacted (granted each in their own way) to a crewmember costumed as a monster of some kind (Yeti or Bigfoot if I recall) shuffling around outside...
It's an interesting episode, still keeping relatively light on the subject, but getting a decent overview of the effects and how isolation really IS one of the worst things for the human mind. ;o)
Well written, delivered, & oh so terrifying. 👍
Now imagine the VR torture of the future
Altered Carbon.
That show answers that question. I still think about those torture scenes.
That's insane ..
Brain dance from the world of cyberpunk
Do you know how to stop cybercriminals using metaverse VR and attacking me in my own house i cant see them but they are hacking my IP adress and every electric device in my house even my bank /phone and my brain i thing they are using a device on my head
Patent that quick before anyone else invents it
I have significant reservations about the efficacy of torture as a means of extracting useful information., A determined subject will hold out as long as possible and then give out information that is of minimal value. US service personnel are actually taught to do this. Most of the time, if you hold out long enough, anything you know won't be useful anymore. During the GWOT, far more valuable information was obtained through human intelligence methods than through enhanced interrogation.
Torture only results in people saying anything, true or not, just to make it stop.
@@PythonesqueSpam It does nothing of the sort. I didn't render any opinion on whether it should be used. I simply said that it isn't very effective.
@@willowmoon7Exactly. This is part of why I think statements to the police shouldn't be good enough evidence for a conviction - they are taught to use borderline torture and psychological manipulation, so we cannot trust those statements without evidence backing them up. (Police may do more than borderline torture, too, but they aren't officially told to do that.)
@@OldSchoolLPsGames "officially" meaning "on record"
@@willowmoon7 Exactly. They are instructed, on record, to use psychological manipulation tactics in interviews. That alone should make any confession useless.
I did a sleep study once on shift work. It was about a week long in a white/beige room. I could even leave for a certain amount of time each day. The lack of anything outside of that bland environment was still even at that small a dose a terrible experience.
Sounds like the working week, the old 9 till 5 bares some resemblance to torture 😅
I've got the chills from your intro, because I feel the difficulty to talk about that awful topic!
If I was ever put in a white room I would probably be singing until I was let out just to keep my mind distracted and hope I would be able to stay sane
Please label reuploads lol makes me feel insane
Well that was stupendously unsettling
Absolutely Brilliant
I can't help but wonder what kind of effect a mind palace kind of internal world might have on a person's ability to endure this kind of heinous deprivation. Would it shore them up enough to prevent the worst effects? Or would the mind remain latched onto that external deprivation?
Overall, it's just disgusting how humans always find new ways to make each other suffer.
I do think that having an internal monologue (around 50% of people are missing this) and being somewhere between extreme phantasia and aphantasia (the inability to visualize) could significantly reduce the effects of this type of isolation.
@@electrodacus I don't know, ability to visualise may help with daydreaming to pass the time. Some people's minds never stop, and confinement temporarily is a sense of sanctuary. Not sure about long-term though. But trying to perfect a long novel in your mind may help. Plus practising a skill, be it mediation or dancing, or drumming, beatboxing or whatever.
@@dancole2994 In a way is living in a virtual world so replacing the real sensory input with virtual ones. Not sure what long therm effects of this may be but I'm thinking long therm will need to be more than a few months. But I can see how for some even short periods of days can be detrimental.
@@electrodacus Unfortunately, as someone with an extreme internal monologue and long daydreaming and phantasia, I think you are overestimating how applicable it would be for mitigating this kind of torture. A huge amount of internal monologue and the ability to visualize depends heavily on your mental state and surrounding environment.
This kind of environment would probably disallow even the most wandering of minds from being able to escape for any significant period of time. It is designed to keep you alert and in the moment.
If anything, this sort of torture is very liable to transform internal worlds into living hells that reflect the predicament itself. As opposed to any sort of escape.
@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson The room is designed to eliminate all external stimulation so no color no sounds, no smells .... It will sure be a torture for those that do not have any sort of internal monologue or imagination as they can not experience anything. Much less so that those that can create their own virtual world.
I do not think I'm at the extreme end of internal monologue or phantasia I do not feel I will be bothered by the lack of external stimulation.
Not sure how such a room will keep you alert. Seems more like the opposite of alert. Maybe there are details that I do not understand about this sort of rooms.
Thanks for that Simon. I was wondering why my evil ex made me whitewash the walls of our ( once ) pretty apartment, then left me very shortly afterwards. It is most uncomfortable living indeed.
I’d use this to practice meditation and astral projection. Might succeed
I have a military background. My advice? Practice a game. Practice to the point where you can enter a hypnogogic state and play against nobody. You will hallucinate. Embrace it.
When I read "The Royal Game" by Stefan Zweig as a Teenager - That's what I thought. I am used to being kinda crazy. I'm sure it would be horrible, and I am not glibbly suggesting that I am sooo introverted and overwhelmed that white room torture sounds relaxing. But I kinda think, while I would go insane like everybody else and hallucinate, I probably wouldn't fight it. I always assumed I wouldn't suffer so much from being insane, because I alread have a certified weird mind. But you never know until you're in that position and in Reality I might be the first to break.
@@i.b.640 You have no idea what white torture is. It isn't relaxing.
@@i.b.640 Just keep following the rules in your mind. That's the key. It's what they want you to do. Follow the rules. But you're playing a different game.
Looking forward to a Mr. Beast episode where whoever lasts a month in a white room gets $100,000 and free psychotherapy for a year.
VSauce did an episode of Mind Field about this its incredibly interesting.
@@SliceyMcHackHackjudging by his shorts its hard to tell if michael ever recovered from that episode of mind field
When you said white torture the first, horrifying thing that came to mind was being forced to watch grease over and over and over again.
I thought he meant putting mayonnaise on everything…
Reminds me of the Azeal video where he interviews a guy that subjected to almost 6 months of white torture at the age of 11. He said that after the first month or so he started to hallucinate that he was in a forest and it took months after he finally got to stop seeing the forest.
It is amazing just how fragile and malleable the human mind is.
This is exactly what modern psych wards are like. I was in a psych ward for five days, and it felt like ten years because there were no clocks. None. No analog clocks, no digital clocks. Nothing. The windows were tinted. The food was bland and uninteresting. We were left by ourselves in silent rooms all day except for food. There were bathrooms inside the rooms. No breaks for outdoor time. Nothing. For days on end.
I don’t understand how that sort of environment is supposed to *improve* anyone’s mental health.
This type of stuff happens every day in prison cells across the US and the world.
Not just there but psychiatric wards too. Under the right circumstances especially if brought in involuntarily they can force feed you medication, conduct medical tests/evaluations and blood work at will, sometimes threaten restraint on children, adolescents, or adults in a seclusion (isolation) room if you don’t comply with orders from the doctors or staff, all while under 24 hour surveillance, plenty of opportunities for abuses to occur both from staff and other patients.
@@markmcdonald6039 But what are they supposed to do if someone is in severe psychosis and refuses to be medicated? Not being snarky - I genuinely don’t know. Most of us can respond to pain by taking Tylenol or going to the doctor or ER. What do you do when the very thing causing pain has convinced the person that treatment is harmful? I don’t think punishing them is a great idea but what else can you do? You can’t let them just scamper off to harm themselves or someone else. But you can’t force them either… Bless the pros who really try to help these poor people (and damn those who do not).
Really interesting and thought-provoking comment.
USA maybe. For sure not in civilised countries 😂
@@RadekSuski i can personally say this happens in the UK, and you’re terribly arrogant if you think the government of whatever “civilized” country you’re from is going to opt out of this incredibly effective mind breaking tool. bar places like norway that treat prisoners like human beings, this is a part of every first world prison system in the world.
We’re all government property. And we civilians have no power and the second we defy our evil rulers, we’re no longer a person. And the agony the government inflicts is greatly enjoyed by world leaders… even the American government can be considered terrorists. Children are raped and tortured in prison and commit suicide. Usually this is their fate if they defend themselves from a killer. Police and military personnel as well as government rulers are completely immune to prosecution. Only civilians go to prison
wow this video man just something else.
It seems like there’s been a lot of reuploads.
TH-cam advertising restrictions are hammering you guys pretty hard, eh Simon?
i have been in solitary confinement in united states jail before and just having a book or a cell mate near enough to yell to is all you've got. it makes a big difference i imagine to have nothing.
A large enough sample size and some freaks will come out unperturbed and unscathed long term
As autistic person, this almost sounds peaceful. Though on the long term this would also break me.
Snap...literally exactly the same here. I'm always, always listening to music! @@spectral-tempest-7
You’re probably not autistic. Don’t follow TikTok trends for your mental health diagnosis.
@@drhapi5308 I am diagnosed autistic and I agree with the commenter.
Same! At least for a little while, I'd probably LOVE the lack of external stimuli. I'm irritated by my own hair 🤣 I'd love to have clothing that won't annoy me.
Alternatively, I'd probably crack far more easily because of all the repetitive thoughts.
if some hypothetical evil scientist wanted to increase the psychological damage of white room tortur, they could always try red room torture instead. in nature and in human brains, red means danger, so people are naturally avoidant of it. if you make the entire room red instead of white, that adds a whole new level of torture. you’re still sensory deprived, but now you’re constantly under stress from the monotonous red lights. it’s a unit 731 employees wet dream.
Sounds really peaceful. I’m a heavy sleeper and can sleep in brightly lit rooms. I think this would be nice for awhile.
This one scared me the most
I've been training to endure this my entire life
There is no depth so deep that human wickedness and depravity can’t go lower.
This is also an argument for why imortality would be torment.
I was in the Air Force in Alaska, there is an air base next to an army post and the post did at the time have prison.
If an A.F. guy messed up enough they were sent to the army prison. I had an extra detail of escorting the AF guys around to the doctor or lawyer or wherever.
Easy job, no violent guys, all medium or less security.
The prison wasn't like any US civilian prison. They lived in barracks style rooms. All of their very few personal belongs they were allowed to have had to be on the bed after a certain hour. They were not allowed to lay down until after evening mail. They could sit or stand.
Nor could they read novels or fiction. The only reading was military books and religious books. One hour exercise outdoors when weather permitted.
All they really had to do was clean and that place was clean!
I asked one guy what they did if you didn't cooperate. He replied, "They threaten to send you to the county jail or put you on a prison plane to Fort Leavenworth military prison and you are there with the real bad boys."
"But mostly they just put us in solitary. Solitary is a room with a 7 foot ceiling and the bunk is against the wall. The toilet is at the head of the bed and there is just enough room to stand up and turn. The end of the bed is two feet from the door.
You have two choices, lay down or stand up and pace in the little area. You get one hour of exercise a day, alone."
"You eat alone in your cell, whenever they bring you food."
"You are in there a day or two and you get cooperative real fast.""
You should do Alexis St Martin/William Beaumont and the digestion experiments.
The need for social interaction cannot be understated. I work from home but my roommate doesn't, meaning that on days I don't have meetings I go the whole day without physically speaking to anyone. I'm a very introverted person; I like working from home, I like having a lot of alone time, I don't have many friends and that works for me. Yet when my roommate gets home, I always find myself leaving my room to talk to her. Consciously, I couldn't tell you why, it's just something I feel like doing. But subconsciously, I know it's because even my introverted brain is craving human connection. And that's after less than a day without speaking to anyone, with ample access to light, food, comfort, and distractions. Even an introvert like me wouldn't last a week under White Torture.
Afflicting pain is easy. It’s a matter of how creative you can be
Pretty sure "In The White Room" by Cream, was about this and breaking down. 🤘
I remember one of the things the juvenile care system would do is put us in a room that's painted the same color on each wall and the floor and ceiling, saying it had a calming effect, and keep us in there for days at a time.
Modern decor often features washed out or all white rooms.
I had to get a few MRI's
some people are super claustrophobic.
I open my eyes, and I stare into the static,
I feel like I'm in a giant space as large as the sky is high.
I forgot too say,
Its really relaxing.
I have to be heavily medicated for an MRI. You're lucky!😊
i feel like i would take longer to break than most because of autism and the fact that my brain can easily keep itself very stimulated by worldbuilding. but yea id succumb eventually, im still human. ._.
For me it's the opposite. I'm Autistic, have severe ADHD, and extreme compulsive behavior and I would probably go insane in a few days, or even just one day
8:28 that pronunciation of Guantanamo bay has me dyinnnnggg
I wonder if that's the reason why all of us patients asked the nurses for the time at least 5 times a day when we were in the psych ward. There weren't any clocks, so that was the only way to know. The nurses thought it was funny that we asked so much but we were really trying to meet our basic human need for chronology.
Man. You are prolific.
I have a neurological condition that prevents me sleeping. It happened slowly at first but over five years I never entered the deep REM stage of sleep and stayed always conscious of my surroundings. My wife noticed it changed my character. I felt physically very ill and in pain. Even today, though I take some medication I still go to bed and pray I will sleep properly and I never do. It is a very slow torture.
Do you have fatal familial insomnia?
@@USAforever1350 No its fibromyalgia. I have an autoimmune condition as well and it has attacked my nervous system. The exact cause of fibromyalgia is unknown and has many symptoms including pain and disrupted sleep. Some fairly good evidence it is linked to autoimmune disorders.
The great thing about isolation, once you're broken they can never break you again.
subbed well redoed
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."
Friedrich Nietzsche
People who condone torture have this to fear.
The worst white room torture I heard of was the one that had black curtains, near the station. If you wanna know where it is, look for the black roof country. There were no gold pavements however and I vaguely remember seeing a few tired starlings.
This is gold
My middle school (about 20 years ago) had "the white room" it was just a closet like room attached ot the main office. All white with a celing light, a desk and chair. If you got in serious trouble you were sent there. I can't remeber how long one was in there, maybe an hour, but IDK. I heard second hand of people going crazy in it. They stopped using the room my last year. It's kind of trippy that they were even doing that
yes it's kind of in the kidnapping family....
Rhett and Link would like a word.
Gooooooood-mythical-morning!
I saw a programme before about someone having red torture.. red ceilings and walls in a room so small they couldn't lay down on the floor so forced to stand in heat until drives them mad
It's interesting how similar these torture techinques are to a lot of modern childhood experiences.
7:30-8:05 That's what social media services try to induce in their users, by manipulating what the user can do on the screen, suddenly removing content, deleting what the user was writing before they even tried to post it, or at least hiding it after the user did post it, and many other measures--.
I always thought white torture was forcing someone to watch Frasier reruns on loop.
Actually, "white noise" does indeed refer to the color. It's an equal distribution of sound energy across all audible bands, just like "white light" is an equal distribution of light energy across all visible bands (although with a slight difference in that white light follows the visible spectrum of a "black body" source like the sun or a hot light bulb filament wire).
When I was a child I would be institutionalized for refusing to sell myself. Our Lady Of Peace hospital in Louisville, KY had white room isolation in the Basement. There weren't supposed to keep kids there but they did and I would be ther for 5 to 9 days in a row.
They said there were also rooms with loys of different colors they say was worse and would drive you crazy.
The pandemic lockdown gave me a glimpse of how this works. I am an introvert and being alone was always comfortable for me. After about a year and a half of lockdown, peaceful quiet started to turn into deafening silence. I began to wake up at night, alone in the dark and silence, and have anxiety attacks. I felt claustrophobic in my own home. I never felt like that before. I wouldn't wish that kind of imprisonment on anyone.
But during the lockdown we could still take walks? Or talk to friends? The lockdown sucked but sometimes I wonder why people make it sound like we were all in a solitary cell or something...maybe in some countries they were, I don't know.
@@bryanm64 Other things in my life led up to it, death of parents, etc., lockdown was just the cherry on top. I haven't been locked in a box, just saying being alone never bothered me before. That changed.
The COVID response was a concerted effort by those in power to create a “prison planet”, using techniques learned by years of experience on torturing people on a smaller scale….the fact that people still defend it shows the level of Stockholm Syndrome engendered…..
@@Stacie45i am sorry, Stacie. I was living in India during the lockdown. I always felt living alone as solitude after mom passed away in 2019. That changed. Now, I feel lonely. This hour prevents me from writing way more than I have , already. The gloom doesn't just leave. Turning 48 this December, the word "disgust" is quite mild.
@@bryanm64 right! I dont know what theyre talking about, I chose to stay home and I liked it, it sure wasnt a "lockdown" like they casually call it, most people I know didnt stay home like I did.
Just finished watching the KC-135 Stratotanker video ... then clicked on this one ... and almost blew out my ears and speakers.
Really? Is it that hard?
God damn. You've nearly described my pandemic isolation. I recently went and lived with some friends for 2 weeks, and it was so wonderful to just have some activity around me other than my own. I lost the 1000 yard stare and have started to mend again. The before and after contrast is just incredible.
Roughly speaking, ‘white noise’ is a random sound that includes all audible frequencies between roughly 20 Hz to 20 kHz with equal volume.
Why did this have a redo? Is TH-cam getting rid of the the other videos?
That people devise and implement such things exposes the reality of pervasive evil, especially in state and religious authorities. God help us.
This reminds me of an episode from the original Hawaii 5-0 TV series. Jack was put in some kind of wetsuit and placed in body-temperature water, kind of in a suspended animation. His eyes were kept closed and something was placed between his fingers and toes so he couldn't feel them. A mouthpiece was placed in his mouth in order to receive oxygen. His ears were plugged, too. Not sure of the accuracy of my statement, but you get the picture.
I’m curious to know how I would hold up in such a situation
My adhd-autism has me convinced I would be just fine for at least a month or two
I'd start writing a book in my mind. That, plus excercise, you should be able to withstand a fair amount of time. I'm only thinking along those lines because I've spent most of my life alone and tbh much prefer it.
Am I crazy for thinking I would like to try this I mean just be in the room for a while just to experience it?
@Noodlekdoodle same that's what I want lol
Part of the torture is not being able to stop at will.
If I'm not mistaken sensory deprivation is also a form of therapy.
There are even places where you can go in a sensory deprivation tank for a couple of hours.
@@RoninCuchulainn interesting I've never heard of that I'll check it out thanks.
I was extremely isolated growing up and I can’t sleep on my own or with a door closed either
Where do I sign up to volunteer for a short-term experience of this? 😅