The virgin civ 5 babylon: oh u get some more great scientists and fancy walls VS: The chad civ 6 babylon: Discovers the assembly line thousands of years in advance without knowing what a wheel is
Yep! Civ VI Babylon sounds to be much more close to the real life Babylon counterpart. Well, except for being simply obliterated off the face of the Earth and whoever survived the complete destruction of the Tower of Babel scattered to the four winds.
It must be tough getting videos out while moving MATN HQ at the same time! Much appreciated but please do not overwork yourself Jon and Claire :) Take a break If you need one
@@ManyATrueNerd It's just an educated guess but i think neither the channel, youtube or indeed Planet Earth will implode if you make a little 2 minute video saying "sorry were moving no video today". IF however the world ends over it, i will delete this comment and pretend that nothing happened.
Babylon and the Hanging Gardens and not one lecture on how they didn't exist? What have you done with Jon?! Seriously though, loving the content. Hope the move is going smoothly!
the ai only checks if their is a valid placement but not what the wonder would do. The ai just sees it has a desert tile and says I'll build Petra here. Petra is a trap. Currency is still early enough in the tech tree that the ai will research it before you. The ai will build petra in a city with few desert tiles so it has the advantage of working better tiles like grassland hills and can chop forest. Building Petra in an actual desert city will take too long as desert tiles are too trash to build petra. Settling on desert just to build petra is a terrible idea as your purposefully settling on terrible tiles just to build a wonder that makes those tiles just ok. I only try to build Petra if i'm already going to settle the desert for strategics/luxuries. If i get petra then my desert city is actually usable if not then i just stick a power plant in it to power the rest of my citys.
Thank you MATN for your service, this video reminded me that 'She Blinded Me With Science' exists. I will now go and listen to the song for the next 3 minutes 41 seconds and then come back
I really hope the spiffing Brit makes a video on this. Obvi I loved your vid but I want to see how obscene this can get with maximum “totally balanced with no exploits”
Feel like this ability should actually be Sumers not Babylon. I can see a epic length game that stays in the Ancient Era alongtime feeling oddly fitting as Sumeria with all its mad advances compared to most everyone else. Interesting mechanic though forsure, can actually simulate early game tech giants.
Good to see that Jon's first babylon game involves a lot of flooding right at the beginning. I mean we don't know exactly what happened but everyone seems to agree that a lot of gods were angry (or just disappointed) at humanity.
tech shuffle mode actually helps Babylon as it doesn't mater where a tech is because you still get the tech for getting the eureka and many techs naturally boost into each other. Archery could be at the end of the atomic era and it wouldn't mater as you'd still unlock it by turn 10 by killing a barb with a slinger. you then build 3 archers to get machinery and then upgrade to crossbows to get metal casting. The ai however gets screwed over as they have to go through the tech tree in whatever order it's in. You should be able to get a religion as you just need to find a natural wonder to unlock astrology before the ai and your first holy site already comes with a shrine letting you earn more great prophet points.
For future civ videos and streams, could you turn the ribbon on in the options menu? It'd help us viewers track the global situation, especially with all the time skips in videos
Jon, at the start of the game: Let's put my starting city next to a bunch of mountains! And you know what, my second city can be close to them too. Later... Pachacuti: Dude, stay away from the mountains, I called dibs. Jon: But the city I just built is by the sea! What on earth could this madman possibly be referring to?!
It's not quite as powerful as it may seem: a lot of later techs simply don't have boosts or can only be boosted by Great Scientists that will only appear after the game has already ended (or spies that can only be used if you are behind in tech, which of course you wont be). In fact, the very tech you mentioned, Nuclear Fission, is one of them! 50% penalty ends up being a lot, so going for a science victory with them is more painful than you might think. Their ability is great for early rushes and specific catapult strategies, but it's not as good at carrying them over the finish line.
All of these civ dlc are completely bonkers unballanced broken. They don't even care anymore about balancing it out against each other or the base game..
I still can't quite put my finger on what it is about Civ 6 that doesn't work, but I think the fact that you need a special mode to make the game work in a way that can't be planned out from the first turn might be part of it.
The virgin civ 5 babylon: oh u get some more great scientists and fancy walls
VS:
The chad civ 6 babylon: Discovers the assembly line thousands of years in advance without knowing what a wheel is
Yep! Civ VI Babylon sounds to be much more close to the real life Babylon counterpart. Well, except for being simply obliterated off the face of the Earth and whoever survived the complete destruction of the Tower of Babel scattered to the four winds.
@@adamgray1753 well idk about the tower of babal being a thing but otherwise yea
*Puts a banana on his toast*
Jon: "This is the most ridiculous thing that has ever existed in the history of things existing!"
It must be tough getting videos out while moving MATN HQ at the same time! Much appreciated but please do not overwork yourself Jon and Claire :) Take a break If you need one
Want to know something fun? Tomorrow's video hasn't been made yet. And tomorrow morning's booked up. SO TOMORROW AFTERNOON WILL BE FUN.
@@ManyATrueNerd Oh no Jon, what have you done.
Just take tomorrow's video off. Tell everyone you just can't be bothered with a video right now and make use of the editing time.
@@ManyATrueNerdImprov stream instead?
@@ManyATrueNerd It's just an educated guess but i think neither the channel, youtube or indeed Planet Earth will implode if you make a little 2 minute video saying "sorry were moving no video today".
IF however the world ends over it, i will delete this comment and pretend that nothing happened.
Babylon and the Hanging Gardens and not one lecture on how they didn't exist? What have you done with Jon?!
Seriously though, loving the content. Hope the move is going smoothly!
He must think we're sick of it.
@@nessesaryschoolthing True!
Pre-Greece is beneath him
I always wondered why the Ai sometimes builds Petra in cities with 2-3 tiles of dessert. Now i know. Civ Vi's AIs got Jon's levels of perception
the ai only checks if their is a valid placement but not what the wonder would do. The ai just sees it has a desert tile and says I'll build Petra here. Petra is a trap. Currency is still early enough in the tech tree that the ai will research it before you. The ai will build petra in a city with few desert tiles so it has the advantage of working better tiles like grassland hills and can chop forest. Building Petra in an actual desert city will take too long as desert tiles are too trash to build petra. Settling on desert just to build petra is a terrible idea as your purposefully settling on terrible tiles just to build a wonder that makes those tiles just ok. I only try to build Petra if i'm already going to settle the desert for strategics/luxuries. If i get petra then my desert city is actually usable if not then i just stick a power plant in it to power the rest of my citys.
Jon building Petra in Borsippa instead of Mashkan-Shapir hurt me
Never build a Scout as Babylon. Their unique unit is just slightly more expensive and better in every way, with the same movement but more survivable.
Thank you MATN for your service, this video reminded me that 'She Blinded Me With Science' exists. I will now go and listen to the song for the next 3 minutes 41 seconds and then come back
Imagine if Yale was built by the Babylonians 3000 years ago to block some barbarians.
I believe this is now canon actually
"Magic from the future, we get for free."
Babylon summed up perfectly
I love this. His civilization figured out mass production before pottery.
I really hope the spiffing Brit makes a video on this. Obvi I loved your vid but I want to see how obscene this can get with maximum “totally balanced with no exploits”
Oh he will get on this,civ developers have no idea what balance is,tasty picking for spiff indeed.
"Theres niter, not gonna say no to that either"
Was it intended?
I'm impressed that they modelled the Tigris in this, non stop flooding that is both the boon and bain of Babylon.
Feel like this ability should actually be Sumers not Babylon. I can see a epic length game that stays in the Ancient Era alongtime feeling oddly fitting as Sumeria with all its mad advances compared to most everyone else. Interesting mechanic though forsure, can actually simulate early game tech giants.
There is a educational Civ-esk game about just the old kingdom in egypt.
And i think a second one covering the new one.
Babylon is also fun with Secret Societies and Heroes modes active. Makes a tourism victory seem easy.
Jon talking about nailing scientists was the highlight of my day
Good to see that Jon's first babylon game involves a lot of flooding right at the beginning. I mean we don't know exactly what happened but everyone seems to agree that a lot of gods were angry (or just disappointed) at humanity.
tech shuffle mode actually helps Babylon as it doesn't mater where a tech is because you still get the tech for getting the eureka and many techs naturally boost into each other. Archery could be at the end of the atomic era and it wouldn't mater as you'd still unlock it by turn 10 by killing a barb with a slinger. you then build 3 archers to get machinery and then upgrade to crossbows to get metal casting. The ai however gets screwed over as they have to go through the tech tree in whatever order it's in. You should be able to get a religion as you just need to find a natural wonder to unlock astrology before the ai and your first holy site already comes with a shrine letting you earn more great prophet points.
I saw the Byzantines and Gaul pack in the shop so i might buy that
For future civ videos and streams, could you turn the ribbon on in the options menu? It'd help us viewers track the global situation, especially with all the time skips in videos
oh boy oh boy oh boy, basically just finished ck ... now civ ... what a pleasure
Jon, at the start of the game: Let's put my starting city next to a bunch of mountains! And you know what, my second city can be close to them too.
Later...
Pachacuti: Dude, stay away from the mountains, I called dibs.
Jon: But the city I just built is by the sea! What on earth could this madman possibly be referring to?!
it's been a few years since you've been in my sub feed... 2020 isn't so bad after all...
30 seconds I'm legitimately impressed with myself
Has there ever been on of these DLc that was in any way balanced?
I feel they have long stopped bothering.
Unbalanced dlc's bring in more money than fair ones. It's a design choice. People like to feel overpowered, and that's a fact.
@@kubablaszka Some. They will probably be banned for any multiplayer session.
Or it is one bananas civ vs other.
Damn that was a fun 28 min.
Ah, the good old “good at a thing by not being good at it” play style.
Well I just was planing my shuffle 🔀 run and than this video turned up :-)
How many restarts before you landed on the one you went with?
Babylon sounds a bit OP. This k about research Manhattan Project. Nuclear bombs immediately become available.
It's not quite as powerful as it may seem: a lot of later techs simply don't have boosts or can only be boosted by Great Scientists that will only appear after the game has already ended (or spies that can only be used if you are behind in tech, which of course you wont be). In fact, the very tech you mentioned, Nuclear Fission, is one of them! 50% penalty ends up being a lot, so going for a science victory with them is more painful than you might think. Their ability is great for early rushes and specific catapult strategies, but it's not as good at carrying them over the finish line.
All of these civ dlc are completely bonkers unballanced broken. They don't even care anymore about balancing it out against each other or the base game..
I still haven't bought the frontier pass, but man its looking like one hell of a deal by now
Someday Jon will turn on quick movement. Someday.
Jon turns into spiff for this one
Jon babylon's unique unit is stronger then a scout and has more movement and vision then a scout and gets a massive +14 combat strength against cav.
i thought shuffle mode had been around for ages. i thought Heros was the latest game mode.
Yeah Babylon can get Bombards in the ancient era if your start is good enough
Day 198 of requesting zoo tycoon. My brother brought in his first doe today! SUSTENANCE!
By this point I think you are the last person who still remembers that song.
Oh myyy 😲 so much science 🤓
I play WAY too much Civ VI and I am having the hardest time not clicking the game interface to make pop-ups go away...
Jon, are you gonna be playing thru Steel Dawn? It just came out.
I still can't quite put my finger on what it is about Civ 6 that doesn't work, but I think the fact that you need a special mode to make the game work in a way that can't be planned out from the first turn might be part of it.
I'm all Civ'd out to be completely honest with you
Potato would have harvested lmao
Good day Jon, would you ever consider playering Hearts Of Iron IV ?
Good day, would you ever consider spelling Jon properly?
@@alpha1beta1gamma Yeah, sorry my auto correct always go's to "John" no "Jon" thanks for reminding me (:
Animal husbandry?
E
A
Sports
it's in the game
One of our submarines is better
:)
civ 4 better
first?
Dam
Fallout 76 Steel Dawn DLC Jon