Easiest Guide to Armor and Penetration in The Elder Scrolls Online

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  • @skinnycheeks
    @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Thanks for watching! Links to all the stuffs including the Discord server are in the description. And I guess I should be prepared for the wild comments due to the thumbnail ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    • @elfpimp1
      @elfpimp1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, now that you bring it up.........

  • @KevinG9012
    @KevinG9012 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    Penetration is something we are all seeking. I don’t even play ESO.

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว +40

      ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    • @BBRocker75
      @BBRocker75 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dirty mind. 😈

    • @gaymer07
      @gaymer07 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Giggity

    • @celo-.-c3341
      @celo-.-c3341 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lol... I was thinking the same thing

    • @gamergeek7482
      @gamergeek7482 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah I had to ask that question out load in the break room at work. Got a few laughs.
      Like minded people. Just two others in here. Funny.

  • @jadenchew4688
    @jadenchew4688 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I appreciate these new stat guides more than anything, zos has long kept us away from deeper understanding of our own stats

    • @raylastname5864
      @raylastname5864 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      no, the math has been known for years, and his are wrong.

    • @kemcl1989
      @kemcl1989 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@raylastname5864 prove it's wrong. Cite evidence

    • @raylastname5864
      @raylastname5864 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@kemcl1989 Upon further review, I was the one who was wrong. thanks for calling for citation, i would have remained incorrect had you not.

  • @joshuablanchette878
    @joshuablanchette878 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    this is easily the best video i've ever seen on a topic that confuses many

  • @djayyglo
    @djayyglo ปีที่แล้ว +4

    as a solo player with no outside means to pen, simply understanding penetration just took me from 72k parse to just under 90k. thanks man

  • @FOULMISCHIEF
    @FOULMISCHIEF ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I never knew where the 50k/66k armor values came from. Literally blew my mind 🤯 Thank you, Skinny!

  • @fenixwakinyan1042
    @fenixwakinyan1042 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a mathematical problem case, I might need some time to process that, but I'm sure, I'll get it eventually ^^ Thanks for the video!

  • @LINCARD1000
    @LINCARD1000 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Great guide, thank you very much! Nice and easy to understand for both newer and experienced players.

  • @Thatnativeson
    @Thatnativeson ปีที่แล้ว +8

    My wife tells me penetration isn’t important. You just gotta focus on the crit.

    • @jonr3751
      @jonr3751 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Funny, my wife says I cant find her crit?

    • @deadshot4245
      @deadshot4245 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      52% chance solo lol 😂

  • @Neifary
    @Neifary ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for those Videos and for the absolutely useful Information Overview. It's so much easier to help people understand the game that way and to really understand it myself as well 😊

  • @Zetler
    @Zetler ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a debuffing tank I keep my group satisfied with frequent and persistent penetrations. 😎

  • @justadhdmuzyka3627
    @justadhdmuzyka3627 ปีที่แล้ว

    perfect bite size explanation of armor and penetration. Will definitely help my game.

  • @AntiSCO
    @AntiSCO ปีที่แล้ว

    Beginning to think that they need to de-clutter and demystify this shit themselves. They claim to want to simplify things to where you just focus on the fight in front of you, but they have always done everything to prevent that. That's without *even* getting into all the nerfs and other things. I already had a pretty solid understanding of the basics of these different stats, but figuring out how they relate in order to balance ones output, especially when they keep shifting focus every few months....it's exhausting. I started theorycrafting in this game as soon as beta became available to me, so my being burned out should tell you something.
    Great and informative post, so thank you.

  • @OllieX123
    @OllieX123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think some Overland bosses have 18200 armour too. I noticed it for some world bosses in Western Skyrim. My companions damage changed to what it does in dungeons.

  • @lemonbalm_tea
    @lemonbalm_tea ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for another great resource. I find it interesting that the lover mundus and wood elf passive increases your penetration

  • @zBeeKing
    @zBeeKing ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Clear and concise, well done.

  • @vVinstonSmith
    @vVinstonSmith ปีที่แล้ว

    Great guide! Best I've ever seen on this subject.

  • @wynngwynn
    @wynngwynn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    TBH, ZOS should have in game guides for stuff like this.

  • @HolyCkow
    @HolyCkow ปีที่แล้ว

    Depends on what your building for next question

  • @manzato7605
    @manzato7605 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your guides and explanations. Great job man. Thanks.

  • @brain2372
    @brain2372 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your deep dives into stats would be super helpful in ffxiv imo. Hope to see some new content soon!

  • @LazloArcadia
    @LazloArcadia 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another amazing video, thank you for explaining this!

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LazloArcadia thanks!

  • @gc1370
    @gc1370 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best name for a video ever

  • @JamesOKeefe-US
    @JamesOKeefe-US ปีที่แล้ว

    So incredibly helpful. You are the best Skinny!!!

  • @ArkentMusic
    @ArkentMusic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks as always. Your videos are always clear and incredibly helpful for removing the struggle to understand how things work in ESO.

  • @ManyKnives
    @ManyKnives ปีที่แล้ว

    This is exactly the kind of video I’ve been wanting thank you!! Numbers and facts thank you so much seriously

  • @yannik2675
    @yannik2675 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for kepp doing Learning Videos like these - they help me getting to understand what i have to do to improve!

  • @motsy15
    @motsy15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best video on this period!

  • @luketimewalker
    @luketimewalker ปีที่แล้ว

    So a SHARPENED weapon doesn't have a lasting effect? I was counting on using one on backbar and apply it every 10 s or so but it seems I had misunderstood its use.
    What an excellent video, grats!

  • @RobertoTheCyclistPerry
    @RobertoTheCyclistPerry ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for this info !Can u make a Weapon explainer in the future

  • @baryb83
    @baryb83 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for detailed guide! Yet one additional question. If I would try to solo dungeon then which mundus will be more beneficial? Lover which give me around 4k of additional penetration or thief which will give me 10% of crit chance?

  • @willkydd
    @willkydd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, but not very clear why pen needs to be capped first? Especially for lower dps, can't some other stat provide better benefit?

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thanks! it is because ZOS allocates a bit more bang for you buck into the penetration sources in the game. I think this is due to them being useful, but sometimes useless. So a line of penetration for example is 1487 pen, which is worth a fair bit more than the other stat lines if you are indeed benefiting from that pen. Just the way ZOS allocated the power budget for these.

  • @thec4ke
    @thec4ke ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's interesting, I didn't know pen scaled slightly worse against players. I probably made a couple poor build choices in the past because of that.

  • @d4yzwind
    @d4yzwind ปีที่แล้ว

    Great as always Skinny

  • @kawazu874
    @kawazu874 ปีที่แล้ว

    Easy to understand (not too fast and articulated), clear, concise, precise. What more could I ask for ? Thank you !

  • @georgejennings8743
    @georgejennings8743 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was so useful, thanks for explaining all this

  • @sectenor
    @sectenor ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Last I heard, tremorscale can benefit from a tank going over the resistance caps. Is that still true? If so, you can get up to maybe 43k resistances (what I've seen in my own cmx; and basically getting all the way up there from masters S&B + major/minor resolves + lady mundus) - and with the 0.08 scaling coefficient you'd be getting a whopping ~3440 pen from it for the whole group. Add in Alkosh and the passive CP and that's pencap without even needing crusher!

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tremorscale scales with resistances yes. So the one I have in my chart is 2400 at 30k armor

  • @benjamintogel4215
    @benjamintogel4215 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    only one piece of light armor is enough to reach the cap? now I get why everyone switched to medium lol

  • @zodiac_rvk6845
    @zodiac_rvk6845 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice presentation skinny 🙂

  • @Bloodsaber64
    @Bloodsaber64 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mostly interested in pen for PVP, what should be the goal? What % should I invest in pen vs wep damage?

  • @Patrick-eg8ij
    @Patrick-eg8ij ปีที่แล้ว

    simply amazing

  • @RyanIsIffy
    @RyanIsIffy ปีที่แล้ว

    Another fantastic one. 👍

  • @clash505
    @clash505 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video… Clear and concise

  • @johnny5784
    @johnny5784 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super helpful! Thank you!

  • @chrisbergeron453
    @chrisbergeron453 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What is the best ratio for crit chance to penetration in eso pvp or over 😜

  • @moody5763
    @moody5763 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Penetration is very important, helps a lot on ESO as well

  • @sicwitit216
    @sicwitit216 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info, Thanks! Can u do a video on crit chance and rating?

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, and probably! I’ll see what I can do.

    • @sicwitit216
      @sicwitit216 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skinnycheeks Thank you! Just watched crit video. This really helped me out and I'm sure a lot of other people too. Again thanks👍🙏

  • @PxNxWxGxW
    @PxNxWxGxW ปีที่แล้ว

    My Wife agrees. Its kinda important if you want to do anything worthwhile.

  • @p.a.nsplace6248
    @p.a.nsplace6248 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have a video with the relative values regarding weapon/ spell damage and the affect it has in relation to penetration?

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually talked about that in the last section of my video I put out today!

  • @CreativeExcusesGaming
    @CreativeExcusesGaming ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How does the 900 pen on Bosmer compare with the 12% crit damage on Khajiit? I love my wood elves, but thinking about it, wood elves get 900 pen and 5% movement speed, 2k stam, and 258 stam recovery. But that 900 pen is worth less than a single set stat line, while khajiit have a damage passive worth as much as a strong 5pc bonus. Even that 5% movement speed and stealth detection doesnt make up for that because no 5pc sets in the game give only 5% movement speed unless it is a large stacking buff (and stealth detection is useless when its invisible nightblades doing the ganking, not everyone else sneaking).
    Would giving bosmer their old 1500 pen passive push them past other stamina races? (I doubt it)
    Tldr; what are your thoughts on racial passive balance? How would you buff some of the lesser used or recommended races?

    • @elderwiz3165
      @elderwiz3165 ปีที่แล้ว

      Think of it this way. to get the sustain of a wood elf you'd have to run sustain glyphs on your jewelry instead of weapon damage glyphs, plus you loose some pen and stam. I think the best thing about woodelfs is the sustain and extra speed. It allows me to run all damage jewelry glyphs with bloodthirsty trait, full divines armor with gear specced 100% into damage without needing any sustain stats. I typically run with the werewolf ult(for even more sustain) on front bar and a hard hitting damage ult on backbar(the ult that I actually use).

  • @VITAMIN-DEATH
    @VITAMIN-DEATH ปีที่แล้ว

    Top content as always

  • @Mrbigmike311
    @Mrbigmike311 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So in other words, the debuffs works for everyone in the group, let say your tank is really running sword and shield and not ice staff lol. So the remaining pen to achieve is individual? If as DPS I need to cap 7k ish in my character stat to make sure I deal true damage? But if the other dps is only cap at 5k pen, then are they doing less damage ? Since it’s individual penetration? Just want to make sure because a few years ago, it was only penetration that seem to be the only way to be effective as a dps and now it’s all about crit lol

  • @allanthomson4639
    @allanthomson4639 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you

  • @kgm4556
    @kgm4556 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Running overland with 14k Pen LOL. Good to know it’s 9k cap. Gonna go Apprentice stone get bigger Frags 😎👌

  • @Grimm.Wraven
    @Grimm.Wraven ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome. As always.

  • @riverinafritsch2573
    @riverinafritsch2573 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good stopping point for armor in PvP is around 47k, it's incredibly unlikely You'll face anyone who will reduce that below 33k effective armor, from there comprehending effective health can allow You to easily make a build that just never dies in PvP.

  • @LBertao
    @LBertao ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Am I the only one crazy player that use a pen focused build? 19k weapon pen (without any buf) 11k/13k pen resistence (cant remember the exactly number right now)4k weapon damage 39% crit chance (stamblade)

    • @deadshot4245
      @deadshot4245 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Long sword of pen lol

  • @murderycatdoll1380
    @murderycatdoll1380 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice one again! Thx!

  • @mystictr1265
    @mystictr1265 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great 👍🏻!

  • @ezmackgaming
    @ezmackgaming ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you know if the relationship between critical damage and critical resistance in PVP works the same way as resistance and penetration in PvP. Would there be any reason to exceed the critical damage cap to negate critical resistance value or is the cap the cap?

  • @qrayz
    @qrayz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow i hate numbers and Mathe but thanks for explain me how pen work. I hope it is still a bit like u said here because is a year ago. :)

  • @hasina1461
    @hasina1461 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    one thing which still baffles me is the whole weapon and spell crit thing why not use a thing that says increase your crit chance by 12% rather then increase your crit rating by 2620 or something along those lines think you could go over this for people. think its defiantly something that confuses players

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah it’s weird. I can probably do a video on that too!

    • @xankazo
      @xankazo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skinnycheeks yes please!

    • @xankazo
      @xankazo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skinnycheeks yes please!

  • @chrisbergeron453
    @chrisbergeron453 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great

  • @ironencepersonal9634
    @ironencepersonal9634 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sometimes I wish "DPS" wasn't measured specifically by "Vs trial dummies". It makes it easier to track my progress

  • @stormchaotic5269
    @stormchaotic5269 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you go over the penatration cap, does it not impact your damage?

  • @p6id
    @p6id ปีที่แล้ว

    so what would you say is more important to prioritize? crit chance or penetration?

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pen if you are short. Crit chance after that.

  • @henripatey4008
    @henripatey4008 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question - WBes, they have anywhere from like 1.5 to 2.8 health. So of that only 18200 is armor? How to calculate what is the need to kill something like a WB after the armor is gone? What is left? Thanks.

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว

      World bosses only have 9100 armor since they are overland. Health and armor are separate stats

  • @lovewada7086
    @lovewada7086 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i have 11k pen 52% critchance, should i chance my weapon trait to sharpened for more pene? or just keep it that way?

  • @ReasonableRadio
    @ReasonableRadio ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't even play ESO anymore but I'll still watch a skinny video any day

  • @ShadowProject01
    @ShadowProject01 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m at 11000 penetration on my Sorc and 13000 on my NB is that good?

  • @MrJeden
    @MrJeden ปีที่แล้ว

    So whats a good amount penetration to get to hurt ppl in pvp? All are so tanky theese days so

  • @nassersamano5144
    @nassersamano5144 ปีที่แล้ว

    So my question is, is there a penetration cap?

  • @tls5669
    @tls5669 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you dual wield crusher glyphs would it be twice the value?

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว

      No, enchantments are only 1/2 value on dual wield. And even then you can’t stack those of the same name.

  • @grantsturgill7439
    @grantsturgill7439 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've got a min max question. I normally play cro dps and the current groups I'm running with is a light armour comp. I play on console and I'm running 5 light 2 medium. With passives and basic debuffs puts me at 18000 pen just a touch under cap. In your opinion should I change something. Is there jump point in pen? Or am I gaining more dmg with the second medium piece then I'm loosing. Thanks for any imput

  • @SilverWF
    @SilverWF ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes, but
    Go to easiest dummy (300k HP on) - it didn't have resists
    Hit it with something.
    Then use Major breach on it
    Hit again and witness massive DPS increase - why?
    My sorc, natural spell pen is 4800ish
    I hit with crystal frags - it crits by 17.5k
    they I use Major breach and it starts critting by 20k
    Why this happens?

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว

      It happens because more of your damage is bypassing the target’s armor

    • @SilverWF
      @SilverWF ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skinnycheeks 300k automaton dummy didn't have any resists afaik

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SilverWF it has 9100. Setup like overland content.

    • @SilverWF
      @SilverWF ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skinnycheeks 9100? oh, I see now

  • @beardedbovel
    @beardedbovel ปีที่แล้ว

    What would you suggest for those of use who mainly run PuG PvE content where debuffs can vary?

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว

      I usually have around 6k pen for random stuff and call it a day. If you want to bring some skills that have debuffs too just in case that is an option as well

  • @mudkipmaverik7449
    @mudkipmaverik7449 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does Force of Nature count only status effects applied by you or all applied to the target?

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Applied by anyone

    • @UncleDaniel
      @UncleDaniel ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skinnycheeks might be better FON cp on dungeons to use it, instead of wraithfull strikes right?

  • @xx1545
    @xx1545 ปีที่แล้ว

    Major vulnerbility or minor courage?

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว

      What are you asking about them?

    • @xx1545
      @xx1545 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skinnycheeks nvm thanks for response though

  • @occultumnumen8484
    @occultumnumen8484 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi, FoN CP gives you 660 pen not 600. So its 1% player armor. Maybe i am mistaken, because i saw no comment about it

  • @larrymarks5836
    @larrymarks5836 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s what she said

  • @kev_whatev
    @kev_whatev ปีที่แล้ว

    Giggity

  • @honorabilis1
    @honorabilis1 ปีที่แล้ว

    so just crimson oath, crusher, tremor dds dont need much pen at all like 1k odd

  • @skulpturostone4621
    @skulpturostone4621 ปีที่แล้ว

    So in Pvp there is no cap? I thought, that if you have 43k resistance, than only 33k will be counted

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว

      there is a cap, but it is based on where you end up after debuffs and pen from your enemy. this isn't worried about in pve because enemies don't debuff your armor.

    • @skulpturostone4621
      @skulpturostone4621 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skinnycheeks after both debuffs and pen?? Damn, that changes a lot. I thought, that it works some other way. Thanks

  • @slowemm
    @slowemm ปีที่แล้ว

    That's what she said?

  • @factionguy
    @factionguy ปีที่แล้ว

    "How important is penetration?". I asked that question to my girlfriend and she said deeper the better .

  • @schumi9xwdc
    @schumi9xwdc ปีที่แล้ว

    I had 21K pen on my MagBlade, and it couldn't kill anything!

  • @danksalt5935
    @danksalt5935 ปีที่แล้ว

    I prefer bleed damage so I rarely care about penetration.

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว

      bleed damage needs pen too. that changed years ago.

  • @samuelsvincent
    @samuelsvincent 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ayoooooooo

  • @marklentz1095
    @marklentz1095 ปีที่แล้ว

    Um, phrasing....

  • @nikoguarro
    @nikoguarro ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, I'm gay and I got here because pf the title... That been said, I'll be on my way. Have a good day.

  • @christophermccormick5505
    @christophermccormick5505 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do overland enemies have 18200 armor? Do Maelstrom Arena enemies still have different armor depending on the mob/boss?

    • @MrPawsPause
      @MrPawsPause ปีที่แล้ว

      No, overland enemies have 9100 armor. I believe Arenas have 18200 armor.

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I covered both of those things in the video 🤔

  • @dread-cthulu
    @dread-cthulu ปีที่แล้ว

    Well... if you are planning on having children, it's of the utmost importance.
    🤣

  • @rahee9482
    @rahee9482 ปีที่แล้ว

    SO basically bosmer pen is useless

    • @skinnycheeks
      @skinnycheeks  ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely not useless. Just loses effectiveness in organized groups.

  • @Lusion1984
    @Lusion1984 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Is this still relevant to today??

    • @TetFeMal
      @TetFeMal 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes

  • @Titansdragon75
    @Titansdragon75 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How important is penetration? That depends on the woman.

  • @C4MG1RL
    @C4MG1RL ปีที่แล้ว

    "How important is penetration?" Well... as a lesbian...

  • @rislitas
    @rislitas 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lol

  • @xW1NGSofDEATHx
    @xW1NGSofDEATHx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1st

  • @PreacherHorror
    @PreacherHorror 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Using makes on dual wield work?