@@TheModelBoatGuy do you recall what size syringe you used? Thanks!
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Who doesn't enjoy a good video on drilling port holes? I mean really, that's exciting stuff 🤣😂 but seriously, great job on the props and the tarnishing 👍
Haha yeah I feel there’s been enough port hole drilling videos from my channel for a while 😅 thanks for your comments 🙂
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@@TheModelBoatGuy but you never know when someone is gonna decide to drill out their port holes for the first time and they might just decide to watch one of your videos about it and hopefully they'll get the hang of it, you do as good a job as can be done explaining it and trying to"guide"ppl through it, and that's what's at the core of your videos isn't it, helping one another, keep on keeping on bro ✌️
It’s on the list! I’ve always fancied doing an HMS Hood because I have a family connection to her, also quite like the idea of a Greek trireme (still sort of a battleship if you stretch the definition a bit)!
Good job! I made my jigs from brass tubing that I had in stock, worked well. The plastic crumb is a real pain in the portholes! I am going to try and place some brass strip down the inside edges of the larger portholes which were centre twist openings. I like the propellers and now torn a bit on whether to follow what you have done...Hmmm! Anyway get your house sorted out, that's kind of more important right now. Good luck with it too! : )
Thanks man! Yeah I think if I had needed to do loads more holes I would have needed a metal jig because the plastic one wore quickly! But worked ok for this purpose, brass tubing defo sounds like a better method though! Brass tube sounds like a good idea for the port holes, there are people making photo etch for those squared off portholes if you are really keen, for me I think it’s a step too far because I reckon they will fall out the holes and get lost forever. I know someone who has just pushed fibre optic cable through and that worked well, I’ve just started painting the hull and my portholes look ok but I guess the real test is when I shine I light through them. I like the idea of moving props, think they make the model come to life a bit, you could probably get away with one motor and some gearing though? I have used things like lego gearing for that sort of thing and that worked a treat. Yeah house takes priority for now! Once I’m all done and settled in though I will have an actual room for modelling, rather than my bedroom and back yard! So that’s something to look forward to!
Good job. Your 4 blade propeller looks good. The one I got from Pontos was deformed. Two of the blades were lose to one another. Thus the 4 blades were not symmetrically spaced. I guess I will go with the 3 blade. I just finished making several bulkheads to square up the hull, add some structural support, and provide some support for the propeller shafts.
No worries, just thought it may as well go somewhere useful! I reckon mine will sit in a box somewhere for a few years till I work out where to use it!
If people had found Nigels Modelling Bench being an engineer he designed and had made 2 jigs that would fit every porthole on the 1/200 Titanic for drilling that could be ordered from him also he had designed and had made to order a set of 3 bulkheads .
Hi, yeah I’ve seen Nigel’s videos. For me it’s just personal preference but I prefer to try and solve these problems myself. It’s one of the things that makes the model building fun for me. Nigels design certainly looks good though 🙂 and metals always going to be bette than plastic for this application!
Thanks for the comment! I used a product called Nikwax. It’s used for leather walking boots normally. Depends on your use though. The wax didn’t really change the appearance of the props too much, maybe just dulled the shine down a bit. I used wax because I’m doing an RC and I wanted to have the ability to reapply the coating overtime (which would be a bit harder with paint). If you’re making a display model you might be better with something like matt varnish?
Great Work! I assume that the Titanic had the same propeller arrangement as the RMS Olympic, since to my knowledge the two ships were identical. So the two outer propellers must have had three blades and the center one four. Some information: RMS Titanic and RMS Olympic were 2 of 3 sister ships of the Olympic class. The third ship was the HMHS Britannic which was never in civilian passenger service and was used as a hospital ship in WWI. She sank on November 21, 1916 after hitting a German sea mine. The RMS Olympic was scrapped in 1935. All 3 ships were built by the Harland & Wolff shipyard in Belfast and were owned by the White Star Line.
Yes you see that’s the thing. Up until 2007, the configuration of these ships was assumed to be the same. But when you assume things you usually find inaccuracies later on. In 2007 Harland and Wolff engineering notebooks were discovered with the the configuration of blades and pitch of the Olympic class ships. There’s a video on the topic on this very channel. th-cam.com/video/HZrm79glrgE/w-d-xo.html
Why would there be a debate about Titanic's propellers? I might be a bit naïve, but wouldn't the original blueprints from White Star Lines settle it? Again, I don't really know tons about the Titanic. Were the original blueprints lost to time?
Because the titanic and her sister Olympic were relatively new, the white star were going through a series of iterations of propeller design to find the best efficiency. During the first year of Olympics running her propeller settings were changed several times, increasing the pitch of the blades which seemed to increase efficiency. There is a book from the shipyards that states Titanics central propeller was 3 bladed (presumably another experiment to understand if this reduced coal consumption) however this was only very recently discovered and historically the assumption was she had a 4 bladed prop like her sisters. Unfortunately these things are not quite as well documented as we would like, I think because the company were still trying to work out the most efficient system it was never formally recorded. However for me that book stating 3 bladed prop is enough. Of course the best evidence lies 2.5 miles down buried in mud! This is a good article if you fancy a read: www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/mystery-titanic-central-propeller.html
Not quite no, the bare metal was a bit too coppery. If you have a look at some later videos I actually change these props for ones made of bronze which look way better
It’s a matter of debate! Olympic had a 4 bladed prop, but most of the photos people assume are of titanic are actually of Olympic (she was the first ship in the line, and was photographed heavily by the press). The reasoning behind thinking the Titanic had a 3 bladed prop there is a note in the Titanic’s engineering log stating the ship had a 3 bladed central prop. This was likely an experiment by white star to see if a 3 bladed prop would be more efficient than Olympics 4 bladed prop. And had she survived the Titanic would probably been refitted with a 4 bladed prop, (as it was found that these ships were more efficient with the 4 bladed propellers). Here’s a link which is quite good: www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/mystery-titanic-central-propeller.html if you’re making your own model though i would suggest going with whatever you want, it’s yours at the end of the day!
@@TheModelBoatGuy yes I've read that it is very controversial and it's not proven but doesn't help that the middle prop is buried in sand and silt at the bottom but as you say I'm thinking it makes Sense it's a 3 blade one as it could have been improved to a 4 blade on later models such as Olympic as they are more efficient with 4 blades
Yeah, I mean as you say without seeing what’s at the bottom it’s hard to know! And I think it’s just personal preference on your models! I did see a photo of Titanic in dry dock and there was a 3 bladed prop on the side of the dock waiting to be added to the ship. And it doesn’t look big enough to be a wing prop so that might be a bit of proof! But very hard to say for sure
northlanderdude i don’t I’m afraid. It’s a bit of a weird one to get these kits. When you get the trumpeter kit there is a leaflet in there which gives details. Basically you send an email and they send you back a paypal request. It all sounds a bit dodgy but i haven’t heard a bad story about them yet! I’m going to post a picture of this in the next episode when I get round to it because a few have asked 🙂
It was a three blade center prop the four blade prop was later added to the Olympic The photo of the four blade prop is of the Olympic in dry dock in 1920 but because they didn't have a good way of balancing it back then they later changed it again back to a three blade prop because of the vibration it caused while in use
There are actually a few 1911 pictures of the titanic that clearly show a 4 blade centre prop and 3 blade for the left and right what argument could there possibly be
I don’t know of any photos of the Titanics propellers. All photos I have seen claiming to be Titanic are actually of Olympic, as the two were practically identical publicity photos of Olympic were used for both. As the evidence is buried in the silt at the bottom of the Atlantic we will never know for sure. And of course it’s the modellers preference, however this is quite a good read if you are interested: www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/mystery-titanic-central-propeller.html
Your syringe cap idea to center-drill the portholes is a lifesaver. Like you said, not everyone has access to a lathe to create a metal jig. Thanks!
No worries! It won’t last as long as a nice metal jig but serves the purpose! Glad it helped 🙂
@@TheModelBoatGuy do you recall what size syringe you used? Thanks!
Who doesn't enjoy a good video on drilling port holes? I mean really, that's exciting stuff 🤣😂 but seriously, great job on the props and the tarnishing 👍
Haha yeah I feel there’s been enough port hole drilling videos from my channel for a while 😅 thanks for your comments 🙂
@@TheModelBoatGuy but you never know when someone is gonna decide to drill out their port holes for the first time and they might just decide to watch one of your videos about it and hopefully they'll get the hang of it, you do as good a job as can be done explaining it and trying to"guide"ppl through it, and that's what's at the core of your videos isn't it, helping one another, keep on keeping on bro ✌️
Amazing job! You are doing the titanic real justice, amazing job once again.
Great work on those props...
Fantastic. Would love to see a 1/200 battleship RC conversion down the road!
It’s on the list! I’ve always fancied doing an HMS Hood because I have a family connection to her, also quite like the idea of a Greek trireme (still sort of a battleship if you stretch the definition a bit)!
You're doing great! I'm making RC Titanic, too.
Thanks man! I’ve been following your build too! You are a way further ahead than me, she’s looking great 😀
Good job! I made my jigs from brass tubing that I had in stock, worked well. The plastic crumb is a real pain in the portholes! I am going to try and place some brass strip down the inside edges of the larger portholes which were centre twist openings. I like the propellers and now torn a bit on whether to follow what you have done...Hmmm! Anyway get your house sorted out, that's kind of more important right now. Good luck with it too! : )
Thanks man! Yeah I think if I had needed to do loads more holes I would have needed a metal jig because the plastic one wore quickly! But worked ok for this purpose, brass tubing defo sounds like a better method though!
Brass tube sounds like a good idea for the port holes, there are people making photo etch for those squared off portholes if you are really keen, for me I think it’s a step too far because I reckon they will fall out the holes and get lost forever. I know someone who has just pushed fibre optic cable through and that worked well, I’ve just started painting the hull and my portholes look ok but I guess the real test is when I shine I light through them.
I like the idea of moving props, think they make the model come to life a bit, you could probably get away with one motor and some gearing though? I have used things like lego gearing for that sort of thing and that worked a treat.
Yeah house takes priority for now! Once I’m all done and settled in though I will have an actual room for modelling, rather than my bedroom and back yard! So that’s something to look forward to!
Good job. Your 4 blade propeller looks good. The one I got from Pontos was deformed. Two of the blades were lose to one another. Thus the 4 blades were not symmetrically spaced. I guess I will go with the 3 blade. I just finished making several bulkheads to square up the hull, add some structural support, and provide some support for the propeller shafts.
If you want mine your welcome to it? I’m not using it after all!
@@TheModelBoatGuy Thanks for the offer, but I am good.
No worries, just thought it may as well go somewhere useful! I reckon mine will sit in a box somewhere for a few years till I work out where to use it!
@@TheModelBoatGuy Well if you have no need for it and want to send it I can pay postage. I am not sure what it costs to send things to the USA.
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What kind of wax did you use on the props to lock the air out. Is Tamiya wax okay?
If people had found Nigels Modelling Bench being an engineer he designed and had made 2 jigs that would fit every porthole on the 1/200 Titanic for drilling that could be ordered from him also he had designed and had made to order a set of 3 bulkheads .
Hi, yeah I’ve seen Nigel’s videos. For me it’s just personal preference but I prefer to try and solve these problems myself. It’s one of the things that makes the model building fun for me. Nigels design certainly looks good though 🙂 and metals always going to be bette than plastic for this application!
Lol, now i want this model really badly.
It’s a good model! Costs a lot but it will keep you occupied for hours and hours 😛
How did you make give the portholes that inverted look or cone like drilling inside the model? By the way, keep up that amazing work.
Ah I used a countersink. It’s a type of drill bit, they are reasonably cheap online
Dang it, im going to miss your videos, hurry back
Just a quick Question: what wax did you use. I love the effect on those propellers and will try and do the same myself!
Thanks for the comment! I used a product called Nikwax. It’s used for leather walking boots normally. Depends on your use though. The wax didn’t really change the appearance of the props too much, maybe just dulled the shine down a bit.
I used wax because I’m doing an RC and I wanted to have the ability to reapply the coating overtime (which would be a bit harder with paint). If you’re making a display model you might be better with something like matt varnish?
@@TheModelBoatGuy yep - I think you are right.
Great Work!
I assume that the Titanic had the same propeller arrangement as the RMS Olympic, since to my knowledge the two ships were identical. So the two outer propellers must have had three blades and the center one four.
Some information:
RMS Titanic and RMS Olympic were 2 of 3 sister ships of the Olympic class. The third ship was the HMHS Britannic which was never in civilian passenger service and was used as a hospital ship in WWI. She sank on November 21, 1916 after hitting a German sea mine.
The RMS Olympic was scrapped in 1935.
All 3 ships were built by the Harland & Wolff shipyard in Belfast and were owned by the White Star Line.
Yes you see that’s the thing. Up until 2007, the configuration of these ships was assumed to be the same. But when you assume things you usually find inaccuracies later on. In 2007 Harland and Wolff engineering notebooks were discovered with the the configuration of blades and pitch of the Olympic class ships. There’s a video on the topic on this very channel. th-cam.com/video/HZrm79glrgE/w-d-xo.html
good on you
Why would there be a debate about Titanic's propellers? I might be a bit naïve, but wouldn't the original blueprints from White Star Lines settle it? Again, I don't really know tons about the Titanic. Were the original blueprints lost to time?
Because the titanic and her sister Olympic were relatively new, the white star were going through a series of iterations of propeller design to find the best efficiency.
During the first year of Olympics running her propeller settings were changed several times, increasing the pitch of the blades which seemed to increase efficiency.
There is a book from the shipyards that states Titanics central propeller was 3 bladed (presumably another experiment to understand if this reduced coal consumption) however this was only very recently discovered and historically the assumption was she had a 4 bladed prop like her sisters. Unfortunately these things are not quite as well documented as we would like, I think because the company were still trying to work out the most efficient system it was never formally recorded. However for me that book stating 3 bladed prop is enough. Of course the best evidence lies 2.5 miles down buried in mud! This is a good article if you fancy a read:
www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/mystery-titanic-central-propeller.html
@@TheModelBoatGuy TY for taking the time to reply. I'll give that a read. Best wishes.
This Color for the propellers is correct? I believed that they were bronze…
Not quite no, the bare metal was a bit too coppery. If you have a look at some later videos I actually change these props for ones made of bronze which look way better
Nice model! Is it confirmed that she had 3 blades on the centre propeller not 4?
It’s a matter of debate! Olympic had a 4 bladed prop, but most of the photos people assume are of titanic are actually of Olympic (she was the first ship in the line, and was photographed heavily by the press).
The reasoning behind thinking the Titanic had a 3 bladed prop there is a note in the Titanic’s engineering log stating the ship had a 3 bladed central prop.
This was likely an experiment by white star to see if a 3 bladed prop would be more efficient than Olympics 4 bladed prop. And had she survived the Titanic would probably been refitted with a 4 bladed prop, (as it was found that these ships were more efficient with the 4 bladed propellers).
Here’s a link which is quite good:
www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/mystery-titanic-central-propeller.html
if you’re making your own model though i would suggest going with whatever you want, it’s yours at the end of the day!
@@TheModelBoatGuy yes I've read that it is very controversial and it's not proven but doesn't help that the middle prop is buried in sand and silt at the bottom but as you say I'm thinking it makes Sense it's a 3 blade one as it could have been improved to a 4 blade on later models such as Olympic as they are more efficient with 4 blades
Yeah, I mean as you say without seeing what’s at the bottom it’s hard to know! And I think it’s just personal preference on your models!
I did see a photo of Titanic in dry dock and there was a 3 bladed prop on the side of the dock waiting to be added to the ship. And it doesn’t look big enough to be a wing prop so that might be a bit of proof! But very hard to say for sure
@@TheModelBoatGuy yes that's very true, they should unbury it so the mystery will be solved. I think I heard about that too
@@TheModelBoatGuy I have a question, what is the diameter of the props on your model?
who are those propellers from?? couldn't understand what you said.
The propellers are from the pontos upgrade kit
@@TheModelBoatGuy you have a link for their site?
northlanderdude i don’t I’m afraid. It’s a bit of a weird one to get these kits. When you get the trumpeter kit there is a leaflet in there which gives details. Basically you send an email and they send you back a paypal request. It all sounds a bit dodgy but i haven’t heard a bad story about them yet! I’m going to post a picture of this in the next episode when I get round to it because a few have asked 🙂
@@TheModelBoatGuy I have the model, the leaflet withthe number 66600 on it ?
Are the very small holes at the bottom NOT portholes???
No the very small holes are for bulge etc
It was a three blade center prop the four blade prop was later added to the Olympic The photo of the four blade prop is of the Olympic in dry dock in 1920 but because they didn't have a good way of balancing it back then they later changed it again back to a three blade prop because of the vibration it caused while in use
There are actually a few 1911 pictures of the titanic that clearly show a 4 blade centre prop and 3 blade for the left and right what argument could there possibly be
I don’t know of any photos of the Titanics propellers. All photos I have seen claiming to be Titanic are actually of Olympic, as the two were practically identical publicity photos of Olympic were used for both.
As the evidence is buried in the silt at the bottom of the Atlantic we will never know for sure. And of course it’s the modellers preference, however this is quite a good read if you are interested:
www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/mystery-titanic-central-propeller.html