You'd think the Expos would have known better about trading away young talent for a rental starter considering that back in 1989 they traded three young pitchers for a few months of Mark Langston. One of those youngsters just happened to be Randy Johnson. That one didn't hurt quite as bad because the other two players didn't amount to much and the team still had the core for their 1994 run. They couldn't be so lucky in 2002.
Yes, one on top of the other really did it ... and we never really recovered. Did the second follow as a result of the first, maybe ... but they were never going to win or challenge for the World Series every year. An impossible condition for longer-term success.
@metamoralia they lost so much money because of the strike which was a key reason they decided they couldn't sign anyone long term so they made the trades to try to rebuild the farm but didn't develop the prospects properly, but it all stemmed from the money lost during the strike
It was almost like the owners and the Expos baseball system were completely different. The Expos baseball system produced the best team with the second lowest payroll in 1994. If the owners had faith in their team, they would have won lots of pennants and maybe a World Series or 2 in the 90s. The owners just had to pay the players what they were worth, and eventually, they would have made all their money back and then some. But the cheapos that made millions of dollars in other industries couldn't find a few million to keep that team together. It was ridiculous. Who did they get for Larry Walker? Nobody! They probably got a few baseballs. Have some confidence in your product already. That's what the owners should have realized back then. With some pennants, they would have had a new stadium and Montreal would still have a baseball team. The owners were probably paid off by owners of other teams that were jealous of the Expos.
While it obviously didn't doom a franchise the Rangers and Braves Mark Teixeira trade is arguably responsible for all three of Texas pennants. A ROY, an all star short stop, and an all star starting pitcher who had his career ended earlier because of injury. The Rangers still see massive benefit of this transaction to this day as Jonah Heim, Nathaniel Lowe, and Brock Burke are all part of the trade tree.
@@kylechristensen6662If you're referring to the Teixeira trade, it was Teixeira to Atlanta in exchange for Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Neftali Feliz and Jarrod Saltalamacchia.
Far, far too simplistic.There were many reasons, just a few: 1. The worst stadium in the world; 2. The poor exchange rate on the dollar, which hurt operations; 3. Many players just didn't want to play here (I'm a Montrealer); ie. artificial turf; language; a foreign country etc. 4. More importantly, selling established stars, first the '85 Carter trade, and then many later trades, essentially told fans we couldn't really compete. Or maybe only once a decade based on developing good, young cheap talent - if we're both smart & lucky; 4. Perhaps most of all, we we're always a hockey city, not a baseball one, and support was generally quite fickle throughout the duration of the franchise, literally only supporting the team when it won. It was mostly our fault, no one else's.... Btw, no one seriously thinks Loria didnt buy the team with the intention of selling up or moving it ...
Just before the 1960 season the Indians traded Rocky Colavito, who hit 42 homeruns & had 111 RBIs in 1959, to the Tigers for Harvey Kuenn. In 1958, Colavito smacked 41 homeruns and had a whopping 113 RBIs and they still traded "The Rock". The "Curse of Rocky Colavito had started.
The actual "trade" that destroyed the franchise was Loria trading the team to the other 29 owners for "cash considerations". Minaya tried to make a splash in a very difficult situation and Colon would have helped a lot of teams down the stretch. The Expos were done in by internal politics and nothing on the field would have helped that.
Nov. 29, 1971: The Astros traded Joe Morgan, Cesar Geronimo, Denis Menke, Ed Armbrister, and Jack Billingham to the Reds for Lee May, Jimmy Stewart, and Tommy Helms. The Reds went to three more World Series. The Astros went into mediocrity until 1979.
@@CharmCityGamer I was. It was one of those kind of deals where maybe-just maybe Davis could be the guy he was in Houston and the trade could be salvaged. But then you look at what happened to Harnisch and Finley in Houston (Schilling would later get flipped to Philly after Houston tried to make him a closer) and yeah. I’d got robbed
The franchise was already doomed, though it seems quite possible that the 2005 Nationals squeak into the Wild Card with Sizemore, Lee, and Phillips on the squad. There we plenty of holes in the team besides that, so hard see them definitely achieving more than that. I'd say the best-case scenario for the 2005-2011 Nationals with those three players is no better than how the 2005-2011 Indians fared (one year of dominance, a playoff near-miss, and a ton of crummy luck punctuated by some stellar individual performances).
I will be watching the Rays this year, fascinated to see how the next chapter of the Chris Archer deal continues now that by all accounts Shane Baz will be healthy enough to go for the start of the 2024 season.. and if you continue down the Delmon Young trade tree, the Rays will also be adding sone new young talent this year that are MLB ready in Pepiot and Deluca. Should be fun to watch!
You'd think the Expos would have known better about trading away young talent for a rental starter considering that back in 1989 they traded three young pitchers for a few months of Mark Langston. One of those youngsters just happened to be Randy Johnson. That one didn't hurt quite as bad because the other two players didn't amount to much and the team still had the core for their 1994 run. They couldn't be so lucky in 2002.
The strike is what really killed the Expos. After 94 they were never able to recover
This is a myth. It wasn't the strike, per se, it was the trades that decimated the team at the start of the 95 season.
@metamoralia yeah but the strike did decimate them, no games, no revenue, no money so a rebuild was necessary
Yes, one on top of the other really did it ... and we never really recovered. Did the second follow as a result of the first, maybe ... but they were never going to win or challenge for the World Series every year. An impossible condition for longer-term success.
@metamoralia they lost so much money because of the strike which was a key reason they decided they couldn't sign anyone long term so they made the trades to try to rebuild the farm but didn't develop the prospects properly, but it all stemmed from the money lost during the strike
It was almost like the owners and the Expos baseball system were completely different. The Expos baseball system produced the best team with the second lowest payroll in 1994. If the owners had faith in their team, they would have won lots of pennants and maybe a World Series or 2 in the 90s. The owners just had to pay the players what they were worth, and eventually, they would have made all their money back and then some. But the cheapos that made millions of dollars in other industries couldn't find a few million to keep that team together. It was ridiculous. Who did they get for Larry Walker? Nobody! They probably got a few baseballs. Have some confidence in your product already. That's what the owners should have realized back then. With some pennants, they would have had a new stadium and Montreal would still have a baseball team. The owners were probably paid off by owners of other teams that were jealous of the Expos.
While it obviously didn't doom a franchise the Rangers and Braves Mark Teixeira trade is arguably responsible for all three of Texas pennants. A ROY, an all star short stop, and an all star starting pitcher who had his career ended earlier because of injury. The Rangers still see massive benefit of this transaction to this day as Jonah Heim, Nathaniel Lowe, and Brock Burke are all part of the trade tree.
I’m curious. What was the trade?
@@kylechristensen6662 they traded Teixeira to Atlanta for Elvis Andrus and Matt Harrison. Then traded Andrus to Oakland for Jonah Heim
@@kylechristensen6662If you're referring to the Teixeira trade, it was Teixeira to Atlanta in exchange for Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Neftali Feliz and Jarrod Saltalamacchia.
@SmoothCriminal12 yeah, we (braves) lost great prospects. I was so mad at this trade. Salty a s Elvis were great.
I dont buy into this Ashton Kutcher butterfly effect stuff
The Pedro Martinez trade was a huge failure as well
Had they hung onto talent they would have absolutely won a World Series possible 2 or 3
Couldn't afford him anymore, sadly.
Far, far too simplistic.There were many reasons, just a few:
1. The worst stadium in the world;
2. The poor exchange rate on the dollar, which hurt operations;
3. Many players just didn't want to play here (I'm a Montrealer); ie. artificial turf; language; a foreign country etc.
4. More importantly, selling established stars, first the '85 Carter trade, and then many later trades, essentially told fans we couldn't really compete. Or maybe only once a decade based on developing good, young cheap talent - if we're both smart & lucky;
4. Perhaps most of all, we we're always a hockey city, not a baseball one, and support was generally quite fickle throughout the duration of the franchise, literally only supporting the team when it won. It was mostly our fault, no one else's....
Btw, no one seriously thinks Loria didnt buy the team with the intention of selling up or moving it ...
Just before the 1960 season the Indians traded Rocky Colavito, who hit 42 homeruns & had 111 RBIs in 1959, to the Tigers for Harvey Kuenn. In 1958, Colavito smacked 41 homeruns and had a whopping 113 RBIs and they still traded "The Rock". The "Curse of Rocky Colavito had started.
The actual "trade" that destroyed the franchise was Loria trading the team to the other 29 owners for "cash considerations". Minaya tried to make a splash in a very difficult situation and Colon would have helped a lot of teams down the stretch. The Expos were done in by internal politics and nothing on the field would have helped that.
Nov. 29, 1971: The Astros traded Joe Morgan, Cesar Geronimo, Denis Menke, Ed Armbrister, and Jack Billingham to the Reds for Lee May, Jimmy Stewart, and Tommy Helms. The Reds went to three more World Series. The Astros went into mediocrity until 1979.
I wish Montreal got another team
I got an easy worst trade from an O's fan: Pete Harnisch, Steve Finley and Curt Schilling for Glenn goddamn Davis...
Fellow O’s fan here to confirm- that one hurt
@@LordTeaboBaggins I wasn't alive when it went down but I read about it and I was like WTF are they doing?
@@CharmCityGamer I was. It was one of those kind of deals where maybe-just maybe Davis could be the guy he was in Houston and the trade could be salvaged.
But then you look at what happened to Harnisch and Finley in Houston (Schilling would later get flipped to Philly after Houston tried to make him a closer) and yeah. I’d got robbed
@@LordTeaboBaggins Imagine if we kept Curt and had him as a one-two with Moose. Man...
@@CharmCityGamer or if we kept he and Harnisch. That rotation would have been a brutal 1-2-3
Watching games on TV, as a Dodger fan, that ballpark seemed like a giant mausoleum, awful
I played for the xpos in early 2000's they had a great organization.
The franchise was already doomed, though it seems quite possible that the 2005 Nationals squeak into the Wild Card with Sizemore, Lee, and Phillips on the squad. There we plenty of holes in the team besides that, so hard see them definitely achieving more than that. I'd say the best-case scenario for the 2005-2011 Nationals with those three players is no better than how the 2005-2011 Indians fared (one year of dominance, a playoff near-miss, and a ton of crummy luck punctuated by some stellar individual performances).
The MLB destroyed itself in 94 to skip out on a whole year and championship to then take away the expos ring it was self sabotage
Baltimore trading for Glenn Davis was pretty damn devastating.
I will be watching the Rays this year, fascinated to see how the next chapter of the Chris Archer deal continues now that by all accounts Shane Baz will be healthy enough to go for the start of the 2024 season.. and if you continue down the Delmon Young trade tree, the Rays will also be adding sone new young talent this year that are MLB ready in Pepiot and Deluca. Should be fun to watch!
Expos were finished in Montreal regardless of the trade. It only ended up hurting the Nationals.
Len Dykstra and Roger McDowell for Juan Samuel
Adolis Garcia from the Cardinals to the Rangers. Traded for cash.
It's an mlb
Talking about how boring a few football games have been while doing a video on baseball is hilarious.
Let’s go a new vid
The hack phony radio voice really is awful. Unlistenable