That final play of Keizer scrambling out of the sack, climbing up the pocket, finding the open man only to have that guy (your first round pick a year ago) to have the ball go right through his hands is the most Browns play of all time
My dad is a lifelong browns fan for 45+ years, born and raised in Akron, during the hue jackson era i genuinely worried about him, I've never seen someone so defeated and beaten down by a sports team. And yet every Sunday he still tuned in, knowing full well he would only receive new forms of misery.
@@bfkgodTbf he had other serious shit weighing on him, and the horrendous football was like a sprinkling of extra pain. He's a lot better now thankfully.
@@peteyprimo7173 I don't. But as beat up as he was yet still out there every week, the thought of rehabbing for most of a year just to come back to the same dumpster fire of loserdom HAD to have tipped the scales in favor of retirement. If that injury happened one year later instead, when there was hope again, I think he'd have come back.
As a Cleveland fan, them breaking the 0-16+ losing skid by *still not winning a football game* is perhaps the Brownsiest thing that has ever - and will ever - happen.
And they did so by "not winning" against a team playing their starters, when that team beat them literally the previous in-season week while playing their backups.
Really funny story about that game I'll share with you. Northeast Ohio native and lifelong Browns fan here. My dad and I were doing some electrical work that required the power to the house to be cut regularly while that game was going on. Every time we took a break and turned the power back on, the score kept shooting up. Eventually, we just stopped and finished the game because we couldn't believe what we were seeing.
@@ironpanther2420I saw that game. It was being broadcast in South Texas which is usually mostly Texas teams, NFC East, Packers(Go Pack Go) and NFC West and I was delighted to watch it. This was back when I secretly rooted for Browns success due to their past.
I was at the week 16 game the fuck Hugh Jackson chants in the muni lot was just awesome. It was my brother and I first game and we killed a 24 pack of Budweiser before the game cause we thought the Bengals were gonna slaughter us. It was also 24° that day so the browns get the W was so satisfying
For anyone defending Hue, remember that John Dorsey had to trade away Carlos Hyde to force Hue Jackson to start Nick Chubb. Every Browns fan was screaming for Chubb to start after his very first game, and yet Hue refused to do so until he had no other option.
God this makes me feel so bad for deshonne kaiser. The kid never had even the smallest chance. The way he said "I'm the winless quarterback" broke my heart
I feel horrible for him. He should've been on a team willing to protect him and let him develop properly, not a team where careers go to end in disappointment. Such a bummer.
@@micahqgeckoNo. You wouldn’t. If your college coach says that you’re not ready and your prospects of being redrafted are low, then it would be ridiculous to throw away a great opportunity to make life changing money.
@@RupertMumphrey Yes, I actually would. Going to a team to get killed and not develop is a kiss of death anyways, you’d be better off going into free agency and picking up a QB2 or 3 spot.
That is really tragic. When you’re the head coach the buck stops at you but the way losing that much can warp someone and their psyche is something that I think is so easily forgotten when a sports team fails for so long. It messes with peoples heads when the only thing you do is lose. Losing a parent is a monumentally challenging moment for any person and to compound that with the pressure of being a head coach in the NFL *AND* losing that much is just incomprehensible. It’s a defining moment for most folks when they lose their parents at any stage of life.
Hue Jackson’s mom passed away after he became head coach of the browns not when he was on the bengals. it was a big scene on hard knocks. It was tragic tho. Huge respect for him going out and still coaching a game the same week his mom passed away
Why wouldn't he coach? I've known people who go to work the same day thier mom's die. It's what a man is supposed to do, especially if he's a leader of men.
Colin Cowherd confidently proclaiming his comparison of Carson Wentz to "Tom Cruise in Captain Phillips and Saving Private Ryan" is one of the Colin Cowherd statements of all time.
Dude looks like he can tell a good story. The owners and front office loved him as a person. The players probably didn't mind him either (double entendre)
@insertnamehere9950 bro Hue Jackson is the reason Chubb was only getting 1-3 carries a game behind Hyde, is the reason Baker didn't get in a game until the Jets thanks to Taylor getting hurt, wasn't utilizing Garrett as anything more than a pass rusher, and also didn't have the nuts to call Todd on his BS that final season. Hue was a horrible coach, and if you need anymore evidence go look at the raiders under him. Man's a joke of a coach
@@scarecrow0774 the whole plan was for them to tank he and the whole front office made it well known and they were slowly improving his final year in cleveland and if he wasn't fired baker wouldn't be on his 4th team since 2020
Not a Browns fan, but I started to become obsessed with them during the Hue era. I watched every Browns game I could, I always wanted to see if they could keep their L streak going. And I watched every single Hue post game conference because I loved watching him keep trying to explain himself.
I was in town for the 0-16 parade at the time and braved the -20 degree windchill to see it. Was actually pleasantly surprised on how much fun it was. Felt like the Browns fans were making the best of their situation. They were still chanting and cheering on the Browns, despite everything. Wouldn’t say it was mockery.
My parents are Browns fans; that actually sounds pretty belivable. Obviously they've turned a corner now, but any time I brought up the Browns back in the 2010s and suggested they jump ship, whether jokingly or for real, they wouldn't even consider it. Maybe it's the fact they didn't have a team for a few years. Bad team is better than no team.
I was in one of the ensembles that performed in it. Can attest even through the cold, it was a fun time. Not terribly into football, but I was raised by a mother who is a die hard browns fan and always will be. When they were all the way down, really all that was left for her to do was to look up and foreward. I think a lot of the fans I saw at that parade had a similar outlook
I'm somewhat of a Shitty Team Fan myself!! (Detroit) But yeah the 2008 Lions with the Orlovsky endzone blunder is hard to top, don't remember such a memorable play from the Browns' winless season, just bland incompetence
@@TheBfutgreg I wouldn't compare the 08 Lions to the 2017 Browns. At least the Lions were competitive in a couple games on that 08 season. The Browns meanwhile were complete dog shit in 2017. The 2017 Browns were way worse than 08 Lions.
Basically every Sunday at 1pm my family engaged in the weekly ritual of watching the Browns lose. The worst part is that they were mostly close games that the Browns lost late in the game. After awhile everyone was tuned in just to see them win ONCE and they just couldn't. It was hilarious in a cosmic sort of way.
I’m a Steelers fan and I do have empathy for the Browns fans sometimes. I don’t understand ownership. You guys beat us in the playoffs like 4 years ago or so and then dismantled the team. That was a great step forward just to Browns it up again.
As a younger NFL fan, I had NO idea about Hue Jackson’s story. Always thought he was a fancy talking buffoon who didn’t belong as a head coach, but when you go through 7 QB’s in 2 seasons, idk how many coaches could even do decent ESPECIALLY with their roster
@@YOSSARIAN313idk the season the went 0-16 a lot of their games were close. It’s just they had Deshone kizer at qb so I think Brady make a run for the playoffs
@@TheWatchernator he was given a guy who was ruined by injuries, a mid round rookie (who are very rarely good), a practice squad guy, a veteran who had done essentially nothing with his career, and a second round rookie whos own college coach said shouldn't be playing in the NFL. and to add on to the obvious lack of anything approaching talent he didn't have any real time with any of them because they were injured so often.
What’s crazy about the win in the 1-15 season was that it was a missed field goal in classic Chargers fashion and it was the second to last game for the San Diego Chargers
Should add most miserable owners as well. The Haslams are by far awful in my eyes. They have been dysfunctional since they took over the team and you could make a series on them
@@IannnusJerry Jones is a player friendly owner. Gave Zeke and Dak big contracts. Gave second chances to troubled athletes. He played college football at Arkansas as a lineman so he's got some clout. Should have added that he was co-captain of the Razorback team that won a National Championship. He's an accomplished man. Dumb for people to put him in a group with Snyder. Started free agency and salary cap. He started the stadium naming rights to bring more revenue. Every sport adopted the naming rights for more revenue thereafter. He's a pioneer.
As a Browns fan it was especially brutal to watch these games. But I did. The only era that was worse was 1996-1998 when we didn't even have the Browns because they became the Ravens, who shortly thereafter won a Super Bowl. During both eras it was too depressing to watch other teams and hard to motivate myself to even pay attention to the league overall.
As a Raiders fan my one memory for him is how he acted after the 2011 season. Threw players under the bus. Made some wild comments about how much power he wanted. And during the games he'd do stupid things that cost us.
Drafting terribly does wonders for a franchise to stay bad and the Browns are a perfect example of it. Dorsey really got the ball rolling for the Browns and their revival. It’s unfortunate Baker didn’t work out for them.
Baker did work out for them. Browns just got ahead of themselves. Baker led them from trash to average NFL team with a playoff appearance and win. The Browns for some reason thought that made them automatic SB contenders. They should have kept Bakers and enjoyed being average till they got a true franchise QB but all they did was make another typical trash Browns blunder and trade for Watson who hasn’t shown signs of returning to his Texans form. DTR looks great for them though so maybe they finally lucked into a franchise QB.
@@WellWhyNot-lj8ufBaker Mayfield has as many playoff wins as Lamar Jackson, and current browns QB Watson. The press declares only one an abject failure.
As a Raiders fan who watched Hue's run as The next Browns coach. I was excited for you all. When he was a coach of the Raiders, the offense was high flying and you could tell he really cared. The ending of the post Al Davis death game against the Texans was a beautiful thing. His biggest issue was the penalties and discipline was god awful. Hoped he would have learned from that. But nah... :/
The BBC used to have a deal for NFL Highlights and they used former Giants DE Osi Umenyiora as an analyst. After the Browns got their regular blowout defeat presenter Mark Chapman told him that the QB who had won the most games in Cleveland since 1999 was Ben Roethlisberger. “How is that even possible?” was Osi’s shocked reaction…
As a Bucs fan since '98, this is a bittersweet reminder that we are sometimes "lucky" to not have a trainwreck coaching series. We share that pain often as well
i hate people like you, try being a raider fan (like me) browns/jets fans/texan fans. even alot of cowboy fans who have literally never seen winning football in their adult lives.
@@alexwinfield9540 I'm not 100% certain what adjustments would have worked. Quick passes require receivers to not drop the ball and screens require a few blockers to actually block. The GM and the owner have to be willing to open the checkbook to buy talent to put on the field. Take a look at poor Andrew Luck - the GM eventually admitted he (the GM) was to blame for the lack of an effective o-line for several years.
The thing I remember most about that 2017 game against the Texans is Joel Bitonio blocking two Texans d-linemen at once and getting called for holding even though he kept his hands inside. He basically just grabbed each of their chest plates, mashed them together, and started pushing them back. My friends and I had a joke at the time that went like "Holding, 75, offense. Successfully blocked two defenders at once, he plays for Cleveland, he's not supposed to be that good. Ten yard penalty from the spot of the foul, replay 3rd down." 😂😂
Can we take a moment to appreciate how much the production of this channel has grown? The graphics and visual representation feel like an actual documentary that is being narrated by an actual football fan.
I remember Bud Light running a promotion during the Browns winless streak where they gave 10 Cleveland bars a "Victory Fridge" full of beer under chain, lock & key, and they could only open it after the Browns won their first game. Whoever thought that one up should have gotten a promotion
If you think this is bad, you should check out the Edmonton Elks north of the border. Since changing the name, the team has not won a game at home and most fans have given up supporting them. They are trying to give away tickets for free and nobody is taking them.
Good. Tossing your team’s history and identity to satisfy a small group of malcontents deserves to be losers for life. Same would happen to the former Indians if their division wasn’t so terrible.
@@bigbearkat2010I don't believe in destiny or anything like that but it's kind of interesting to me what has happened in the recent history of North American professional sports regarding these kinds of team name changes. Eskimos change to Elks: team gets worse Indians change to Guardians: mediocre team before and after Redskins eventually change to Commanders: nearly won a playoff game as a nameless team, but have been a profoundly broken franchise at least since Snyder took over Blackhawks: no name change, one of the most successful NHL franchises in the 21st century Chiefs: no name change (yet, though the SJWNPCs are trying to force it despite the name not being directly connected to Native Americans), one of the most successful NFL teams in the last decade Braves: no name change (probably the most surprising because of the way Atlanta is), recently won World Series and are at the time of writing the best team in MLB My best explanation is that these teams, if they're doing poorly, need to find something to stay relevant and so they try to appease their constituents with meaningless pandering. If they're doing well, they don't bother changing their name because they're already relevant and most likely will continue to be. Never mind that by and large, not only were these teams not named with a derogatory intent (if intent does, in fact, matter), but by and large, modern indigenous peoples don't seem to care whether the name is changed or retained-and in the cases of the Blackhawks and the Florida State Seminoles, the tribes in question have given their permission to use the names.
As painful as it all was, it was what needed to be done to get out of the 4-5 wins a season rut we were in for most of the seasons before that. There were too many “starters” that were overpaid and weren’t really going to get us anywhere. After going 4-44 from 15’-17’ the team has gone 40-42-1 in the 5 seasons since so though things haven’t been as good as they should be the team overall has improved to a near .500 team in the years since…
Being a .500 team consistently will get you stuck in a rut though as well. Always performing just good enough to miss out on top draft picks. Say what you want about "tanking" but baseball (a sport that is the hardest to draft successfully in) has proven that if done correctly, it works.
For context, that raiders team in 2010 went undefeated in the AFC West and became the 1st team in NFL history to sweep their division and miss the playoffs
Man, the 2010 AFC West needs a documentary. Chargers miss the playoffs despite being the 1st team in NFL history to have the #1 offense and #1 defense in terms of yards, Raiders sweep their division and suck ass outside of it, and somehow the Winless Wonder Brodie Croyle ends up being gift-wrapped a division title. Oh, and the Broncos careened headlong toward a 4-12 record with future Hall of Famers Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow aboard.
@dominicpancella3012 wasn't that 2010 Chargers team statistically even more elite than that? I remember reading that in terms of regular season stats the 2010 Chargers were basically the best NFL TEAM EVER and somehow missed the playoffs... A 2010 documentary would be good
Browns fan from Mayfield OH, I would say our issue was never our coaches, it’s been our ownership. Same issue with the Indians. It’s absolutely ridiculous how incompetent we are of making good decisions as an organization. I really hope we turn things around this year.
@@sargentthiccboi9333 As a Steelers fan seeing Steelers fans call the Rooneys incompetent is hilarious and shows how spoiled we are as Steelers fans When in the same division Browns and Bengals fans have legit incompetent owners and have actual reasons to be upset at them
I remember the 2017 season more than any other season since I started watching Browns football. I remember where I was for every game. Its like when you keep having traumatic experiences you remember exactly where you were. Its a hell of a trip rotting for this team
I find it funny the Browns tried to justify keeping Hue around after winning one game in two seasons, because what, he’s a positive influence on the guys? He coaches the game the right way? But then when he managed to double the win total from his first two seasons in less than half of his third season (technically a big improvement) they fire him and replace him with one of the biggest scumbags to ever coach in the NFL
I was born and raised in San Diego. When the Chargers became the only team to lose to this man's team in two whole years, I finally ragequit that cursed team. I have never looked back. Thank you, Hue Jackson. Thank you. :)
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I remember the second the Browns cut RG3, I predicted that they would go 0-16, and I was right. He wasn’t anything amazing per say, but in 2016, he was hurt most of the year and the Browns won a game with him, and they proceeded to cut him.
To have a rookie qb that’s so fucking raw and needs so much help and development goes to a team that’s terrible all around him and not even keep a mentor qb like RG3 for Kizer is a recipe for disaster, he should of never been a brown and not keeping a veteran qb for Kizer was a terrible idea, that whole front office had no idea what they were doing
@@ILLUSI_O_N-V1Exactly. Quarterbacks need time to develop, and having a veteran on your roster helps. I had no idea that Kizer’s college coach thought he wasn’t ready. Kizer didn’t play great don’t get me wrong, but he was totally set up to fail. It’s just like what happened with Tim Couch at the start of the expansion years, only arguably worse because at least Couch’s coach would’ve probably told you he was ready for the pros.
Coming here during week 17 to bring up the night and day difference between Jackson and Stefanski. Browns are currently 11-5 with an outside shot at the AFC's top seed and I'm pretty sure can fall no lower than 5. I'm not a Browns fan, but the fanbase has to be feeling pretty hype right now.
I'm a Bengals fan. I was sad that we lost both Mike Zimmer (amazing DC) and Hue (amazing OC), and when Zimmer did pretty well with the Vikings, was baffled at just how awful Hue was as a HC.
Long story short Hue Jackson got screwed. But that's the risk you take coaching the Browns. I'm glad you covered the analytics part because Paul DePodesta was the one really screwing the team over with that
Analytics should have a place in football, but not nearly as big as a place as in non combat sports. Analytics haven’t caught up to give guys ratings based on their ability to keep playing through pain or injuries, and it cannot take into account an athletes ability to play through physical and mental adversity, which is far higher in football than any other team sport.
Hue was the only one that screwed Hue. Either because he took the job completely ignorant that they were rebuilding, or because he took the job knowing there was a major rebuild and managed a tank far beyond what Haslam and company were bracing for in the first place. I'll go a step further and say that he took the job in part BECAUSE he got to be part of a rebuild, as "the football guy" in the FO - which Sashi Brown was NOT, not even a little. That's why we had to "trust Hue" about Deshone Kizer, after all. But he threw the rebuild so far off the rails so hard they went out and got Dorsey to right the ship - hell, they had to trade Carlos Hyde JUST to force Hue to put Nick Chubb on the field, when Chubb was clearly the better back.
Hue Jackson was honestly disingenuous in his swimming in the lake, he waited until the summer instead of doing it just after they went 0-16 in the middle of winter.
As a KC fan there’s a lot of connection between these two franchises recently. For instance John Dorsey played a roll in building both franchises from rock bottom. Browns passed on Mahomes and instead used chiefs camp cast off Kevin Hogan. Chiefs picked up Schwartz and ogbah and won a SB. In some alternate universe the browns hire Andy Reid in 2013 instead of Chudznsky, select mahomes and are coming off their second superbowl win. Wild! Much respect and best of luck this season
Browns DID NOT pass on Mahommes (yes, the benefit of hindsight, Mahommes should have been picked 1, but few Browns fans aren't happy with Myles Garrett). I do believe they thought they could get him at a lower pick, but remember, the Browns traded down AFTER he was picked by KC (Mahommes was picked at 10, but the Browns had the 12th where they actually did pass on Watson then traded down againn). I think Hue wanted him over Watson or at least convinced that they could get another pick and still get a qb. Depodesta (the real Browns GM) is so into draft picks he'll get them, no problem, but won't use them. Regarding Reid, well, the Browns GM...err...Depodesta...err...the organization, doesn't like to bring in older vets. They want young guys they can mold and Reid doesn't fit that bill. Coaches that want to come in do things their way don't fit this team. Now, in all fairness, that's why Holmgren didn't work out.
Plus, Browns/Chiefs had a nice little rivalry just a couple years ago. I’m not saying the Browns are anywhere CLOSE to the level of KC, but there were some good games between the 2.
I am a lifelong bronco fan and I lived in Cleveland for 4 years. I was there when my broncos defeated the browns 3 times in the playoffs. I honestly feel bad for Browns fans. No one deserves what they have gone through. I moved away in 1992, and I think they have had 1 decent season since then, and I am now almost 47 and I was 14 when I moved away.
KTO you should do a video on the Edmonton Elks if the Canadian Football league and their home losing streak. They have lost 21 straight games at home and counting they haven’t won a home game since 2019. This is the longest home losing steak in all of pro sports and could potentially go up, I live in Edmonton I’m not a fan of the team but I’ve been to a lot of the home games as of recent and plan to continue until they win 😂 Edit: they ended the streak last night as the beat the Ottawa Redblacks 30-20 ending the home losing streak at 1415 days still would make a cool video though
I got a lot of schadenfreude seeing Huge Jackson struggle mightily in Cleveland. He has a used car salesman sleaziness that I first noticed as the OC with the Raiders. He very clearly snaked Cable's job just when it seemed like Cable was turning things around (who had drama but that's a different discussion). I'll admit Huge had things running smoothly until Fujita injured Jason Campbell, but then he made an insane trade for Carson Palmer because Al wasn't around to veto it, and after missing the playoffs he started saying he was gonna be co-GM. It just seems like he's completely in it for his own glory
Great analysis. As a Browns fan, I can also say that Hue just seemed to have a weird sort of ego. He was very condescending towards local reporters at press conferences, referred to Terry Francona as "Coach Francola" to congratulate Terry on making it to the 2016 World Series, and had a not-so-positive meeting with the coaching staff on Hard Knocks, where he seemed to rub people the wrong way. Yes, we can blame Haslam and the front office until the cows come home, and, sure, maybe things would have been different if he had more talent. But ultimately, he just seemed like an incompetent coach.
Steelers fan here, I know our two fanbases hate eachother, but I honestly can't bring myself to hate you guys due to all the bullshit you put up with yearly, its a very admirable trait. And it looks like you guys are gonna do good this season too! I just hope you guys give me a reason to hate your team by playing good football!
As a fellow Steelers fan, I don't hate the Brownies fans. They're passionate and have put up with a lot of shit (Sort of like the yinzers who are still Pirates fans). Like, I wouldn't be pissed if they actually did win a Super Bowl someday. They aren't jagoffs like the Pats fans.
Do a documentary on the failure of Willie Taggart! Similar tenure/storyline from Oregon-FSU-FAU. Fun Facts: (1) After an FSU matchup against Wake Forest, Willie got into a fight on the plane ride home-- with a player. Might need to dig past news articles for this, because that story was buried. (2) An FSU-local kid opened a lemonade stand, raising money for Willie's buyout.
Hue Jackson is an example of the gulf between coordinator and head coach. I kind of forgot as how serviceable he was as an OC. Just unsuitable as HC. Kyzer must have nightmares wishing he’d stayed in school.
Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself by pausing to comment. But I thought of the 0-16 parade as a positive thing. They raised a hell of a lot of money for charity that day, and I thought of that actually as quite a beautiful example of a City Light Cleveland knowing how to take a negative and turn it into a positive!! I also think it's pretty messed up that you wouldn't mention that part of what they did all that for!
Jackson is another one of hundred cases of good coordinator but horrible HC. The fact he's the worst HC in NFL history is not even in question, and I still remember how shocked I was, even if I'm not a Browns fan, when he decided to start Kizer that season, and even more shocked when the Browns did not fire him after the 1-31 in 2 seasons.
I would feel bad but Hue was very stubborn, as an eagles fan watching their hard knocks it was shocking how much this guy thought his shit didnt stink.
They did Baker so dirty ....decades of terrible qb play and losing he comes in and takes them to the playoffs and even a playoff win and they say eh we can do better
I'm 46. I was born and raised in Pittsburgh. I'm a die-hard Steelers fan. This tenure of Browns football brought me no joy. I want the Browns and Steelers to be like they used to be when I was growing up. It's no fun to see your old rival be reduced to the laughingstock of the league.
Browns fans have suffered more than any fan base in any sport. The drive. The fumble. Red Right 88. 0-16 season. Browns moved to Baltimore and won 2 Championships. Bill Billcheck left the Browns and built a dynasty in New England. The Steelers have won multiple Super Bowls. The Bengals went to 3 Super Bowls and played in the last 2 Conference Championships. Meanwhile the Browns are still the got damn Browns. It's so exhausting. I hope "maybe next year" is THIS year!
I don't think it's going to get better until you have new ownership. Haslam is going to suffer the most now that Snyder is gone and will take the spotlight as the NFL's worst owner.
This misery actually made me have a soft spot for the browns ❤️ I’m a raiders fan so misery loves the company of misery 🤣💀💀 at least raiders we’re doing…. Okay during one of those years then it all went away again 💀💀💀 love it
It just made me glad that the Raiders let him go. Following Al's death he mortgaged their future with the Palmer trade, then missed the playoffs, blamed everyone but himself, and then in the offseason made proclamations like he was going to help decide who the next GM will be. Even more than a locker room cancer, he's a cancer at the organizational level
I’ll never forget being a bengals fan for so long my dad watched the playoff game with me when we lost to the Steelers on that field goal when we were supposed to go far, and after that game he turned and looked at me and said “that feeling you got right now is me everyday being a browns fan” I was like damn 🤣
Before I even press play, I want you to know even the title of this vid brought back a glimpse of that dread I felt in those days. What an absolutely hopeless period of time for a Browns fan. More so than any other time in history. Go Browns.
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That final play of Keizer scrambling out of the sack, climbing up the pocket, finding the open man only to have that guy (your first round pick a year ago) to have the ball go right through his hands is the most Browns play of all time
It really is. I think that was when Keizer broke for good.
As a Steelers fan, that was not a good Pittsburgh team. We so deserved to lose that game.
poor kizer lol. i always wanted him to do well
@@HutchIsOnYTwell yeah they benched all the starters for the playoffs
@@night6724I think they had the starting secondary in there which is embarrassing
They would later get pissed on by Blake Bortles
My dad is a lifelong browns fan for 45+ years, born and raised in Akron, during the hue jackson era i genuinely worried about him, I've never seen someone so defeated and beaten down by a sports team. And yet every Sunday he still tuned in, knowing full well he would only receive new forms of misery.
No one should let sports affect them that much, tbh.
Ur dad a bum sports never that deep lmao
Dude I yelled so much on Sundays during that time. Glad it's over
@@bfkgodTbf he had other serious shit weighing on him, and the horrendous football was like a sprinkling of extra pain. He's a lot better now thankfully.
@@bfkgodLicky on da pee
Joe Thomas was an absolute legend. It really kills me that for all the losing he had to endure, when he retired we were worse than ever.
I think he faked the tricep injury just to retire mid season lol. I don’t blame him one bit
@@peteyprimo7173 I don't. But as beat up as he was yet still out there every week, the thought of rehabbing for most of a year just to come back to the same dumpster fire of loserdom HAD to have tipped the scales in favor of retirement. If that injury happened one year later instead, when there was hope again, I think he'd have come back.
we (the Buccaneers) had someone similar in Paul Gruber. Great lineman, 12 years of losing.
We started winning more after he retired
@@Neglected-Nostalgiayou had one winning season with him and one winning season since he retired lol. That's not winning more.
As a Cleveland fan, them breaking the 0-16+ losing skid by *still not winning a football game* is perhaps the Brownsiest thing that has ever - and will ever - happen.
And they did so by "not winning" against a team playing their starters, when that team beat them literally the previous in-season week while playing their backups.
It’s simply mind blowing that Hue Jackson went 1-15 then went 0-16 and the Browns STILL didn’t fire him.
Losing was part of the plan
@@jjaakk7214 Exactly. Draft picks galore.
John Dorsey's brilliance at work.
They didnt have a roster. What were they going to do, hire chip kelly? They might as well try a new approach: continuity.
He's the coach not the GM. You gotta have pieces to put together wins
The fact Hue Jackson joined the bengals coaching staff then immediately lost to the browns the first game with them is hilarious
It was gnarly
Really funny story about that game I'll share with you. Northeast Ohio native and lifelong Browns fan here. My dad and I were doing some electrical work that required the power to the house to be cut regularly while that game was going on. Every time we took a break and turned the power back on, the score kept shooting up. Eventually, we just stopped and finished the game because we couldn't believe what we were seeing.
My friends and I were at that game, it was glorious!
@@ironpanther2420I saw that game. It was being broadcast in South Texas which is usually mostly Texas teams, NFC East, Packers(Go Pack Go) and NFC West and I was delighted to watch it. This was back when I secretly rooted for Browns success due to their past.
I was at the week 16 game the fuck Hugh Jackson chants in the muni lot was just awesome. It was my brother and I first game and we killed a 24 pack of Budweiser before the game cause we thought the Bengals were gonna slaughter us. It was also 24° that day so the browns get the W was so satisfying
For anyone defending Hue, remember that John Dorsey had to trade away Carlos Hyde to force Hue Jackson to start Nick Chubb. Every Browns fan was screaming for Chubb to start after his very first game, and yet Hue refused to do so until he had no other option.
Yyyep!
Dorsey got this team in the right direction... We would not be where we are currently if he was never hired in Cleveland
It goes back to Sashi honestly. With him, Dorsey wouldn’t have had the draft assets or cap source.
@@jenni8200I’ll always root against you because of Watson
@@JPer811 Who’s your favorite team?
God this makes me feel so bad for deshonne kaiser. The kid never had even the smallest chance. The way he said "I'm the winless quarterback" broke my heart
I feel horrible for him. He should've been on a team willing to protect him and let him develop properly, not a team where careers go to end in disappointment. Such a bummer.
The Browns and Raiders, the QB enders, Cleveland and Oakland is just littered with lifeless QBs everywhere
If I was in his position I think I would have just refused to be drafted by such a god awful team
@@micahqgeckoNo. You wouldn’t. If your college coach says that you’re not ready and your prospects of being redrafted are low, then it would be ridiculous to throw away a great opportunity to make life changing money.
@@RupertMumphrey Yes, I actually would. Going to a team to get killed and not develop is a kiss of death anyways, you’d be better off going into free agency and picking up a QB2 or 3 spot.
Hue Jackson's mother passed away. Marvin wanted to help his friend. You glossed over that as to why he came to Cincinnati.
That is really tragic. When you’re the head coach the buck stops at you but the way losing that much can warp someone and their psyche is something that I think is so easily forgotten when a sports team fails for so long. It messes with peoples heads when the only thing you do is lose.
Losing a parent is a monumentally challenging moment for any person and to compound that with the pressure of being a head coach in the NFL *AND* losing that much is just incomprehensible. It’s a defining moment for most folks when they lose their parents at any stage of life.
Hue Jackson’s mom passed away after he became head coach of the browns not when he was on the bengals. it was a big scene on hard knocks. It was tragic tho. Huge respect for him going out and still coaching a game the same week his mom passed away
Why wouldn't he coach? I've known people who go to work the same day thier mom's die. It's what a man is supposed to do, especially if he's a leader of men.
No it’s not? There is no expectation for a guy to do that, anyone who says otherwise is cold and heartless.
Corey Coleman dropping that pass was insane dude. I’ll never forget that
Colin Cowherd confidently proclaiming his comparison of Carson Wentz to "Tom Cruise in Captain Phillips and Saving Private Ryan" is one of the Colin Cowherd statements of all time.
Agreed. I had to rewind that clip like five times because there was just so much stupid to unpack.
Thats literally how he has a job, say completely ridiculous stuff and let people eat it up
Agreed that was brilliant
Cowturd is clueless.
He talks fast. People trip over his bullshit and figure "okay...I guess that makes sense..."
I guess I can understand saying Cruise instead of Hanks, but he could have corrected himself
How you don’t get fired after going 0-16 is mind boggling
Lovie Smith won 4 games and he got fired
Dude looks like he can tell a good story. The owners and front office loved him as a person. The players probably didn't mind him either (double entendre)
As a bears fan, Lovie also got fired after winning 10 games.
Black privilege
@@brothergrimaldus3836 If that were true, than Lovie Smith would have been given another chance with 4 wins.
@@marcvslicinivscrassvs7536Im amazed he got 4 wins with such a bad team
Poor Hue. His biggest accomplishment in Cleveland was being in RBTs intros…
Poor Hue? Lol he's garbage
I'm thankful for hue, with them records we got great franchise players. Yea poor hue, he never gets the respect he should
@@aaronclay4665tbh he was a good coach they just never put talent around him
@insertnamehere9950 bro Hue Jackson is the reason Chubb was only getting 1-3 carries a game behind Hyde, is the reason Baker didn't get in a game until the Jets thanks to Taylor getting hurt, wasn't utilizing Garrett as anything more than a pass rusher, and also didn't have the nuts to call Todd on his BS that final season. Hue was a horrible coach, and if you need anymore evidence go look at the raiders under him. Man's a joke of a coach
@@scarecrow0774 the whole plan was for them to tank he and the whole front office made it well known and they were slowly improving his final year in cleveland and if he wasn't fired baker wouldn't be on his 4th team since 2020
Not a Browns fan, but I started to become obsessed with them during the Hue era. I watched every Browns game I could, I always wanted to see if they could keep their L streak going. And I watched every single Hue post game conference because I loved watching him keep trying to explain himself.
I was in town for the 0-16 parade at the time and braved the -20 degree windchill to see it. Was actually pleasantly surprised on how much fun it was. Felt like the Browns fans were making the best of their situation. They were still chanting and cheering on the Browns, despite everything. Wouldn’t say it was mockery.
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My parents are Browns fans; that actually sounds pretty belivable. Obviously they've turned a corner now, but any time I brought up the Browns back in the 2010s and suggested they jump ship, whether jokingly or for real, they wouldn't even consider it.
Maybe it's the fact they didn't have a team for a few years. Bad team is better than no team.
I was in one of the ensembles that performed in it. Can attest even through the cold, it was a fun time. Not terribly into football, but I was raised by a mother who is a die hard browns fan and always will be. When they were all the way down, really all that was left for her to do was to look up and foreward. I think a lot of the fans I saw at that parade had a similar outlook
It truly was one of the greatest times to watch sports in my opinion. The 2017 browns are everything you ever want in sporting accomplishments
I'm somewhat of a Shitty Team Fan myself!! (Detroit)
But yeah the 2008 Lions with the Orlovsky endzone blunder is hard to top, don't remember such a memorable play from the Browns' winless season, just bland incompetence
@@TheBfutgreg I wouldn't compare the 08 Lions to the 2017 Browns. At least the Lions were competitive in a couple games on that 08 season. The Browns meanwhile were complete dog shit in 2017. The 2017 Browns were way worse than 08 Lions.
I remember when that happened. I took a fat dump. Oh man, I blew out the toilet
Basically every Sunday at 1pm my family engaged in the weekly ritual of watching the Browns lose. The worst part is that they were mostly close games that the Browns lost late in the game. After awhile everyone was tuned in just to see them win ONCE and they just couldn't. It was hilarious in a cosmic sort of way.
I’m a Steelers fan and I do have empathy for the Browns fans sometimes. I don’t understand ownership. You guys beat us in the playoffs like 4 years ago or so and then dismantled the team. That was a great step forward just to Browns it up again.
1 pm or 10 am for sure
Im a Saints fan , was like that in the 70's
As a younger NFL fan, I had NO idea about Hue Jackson’s story. Always thought he was a fancy talking buffoon who didn’t belong as a head coach, but when you go through 7 QB’s in 2 seasons, idk how many coaches could even do decent ESPECIALLY with their roster
Tom brady in his prime would have probably won 4 games with that roster.
@@YOSSARIAN313idk the season the went 0-16 a lot of their games were close. It’s just they had Deshone kizer at qb so I think Brady make a run for the playoffs
@@TheWatchernator he was given a guy who was ruined by injuries, a mid round rookie (who are very rarely good), a practice squad guy, a veteran who had done essentially nothing with his career, and a second round rookie whos own college coach said shouldn't be playing in the NFL. and to add on to the obvious lack of anything approaching talent he didn't have any real time with any of them because they were injured so often.
@@TheWatchernator no one could habe made kevin hogan or cody kessler into a good qb
He was set up for failure.
What’s crazy about the win in the 1-15 season was that it was a missed field goal in classic Chargers fashion and it was the second to last game for the San Diego Chargers
So very Chargers 😂😂😂
How the Browns went 1-15 in 2016 and then followed it up with an 0-16 season the following year, and Hue still didn't get canned is unreal.
Should add most miserable owners as well. The Haslams are by far awful in my eyes. They have been dysfunctional since they took over the team and you could make a series on them
@Kevin-tb8ng let's be thankful Dan's gone
Vols fan , 100%correct
@Kevin-tb8ng where's Jerry
@Kevin-tb8ng Now it's the Sapnos, the Fords, Mr. Ross, then the Haslams.
@@IannnusJerry Jones is a player friendly owner. Gave Zeke and Dak big contracts. Gave second chances to troubled athletes. He played college football at Arkansas as a lineman so he's got some clout. Should have added that he was co-captain of the Razorback team that won a National Championship. He's an accomplished man. Dumb for people to put him in a group with Snyder. Started free agency and salary cap. He started the stadium naming rights to bring more revenue. Every sport adopted the naming rights for more revenue thereafter. He's a pioneer.
I love that you’re a Browns fan. Makes videos like this all the better :)
lol yeah being able to admit your teams wrongs
@@juanserrano3628farty on da pee
As a Browns fan it was especially brutal to watch these games. But I did. The only era that was worse was 1996-1998 when we didn't even have the Browns because they became the Ravens, who shortly thereafter won a Super Bowl. During both eras it was too depressing to watch other teams and hard to motivate myself to even pay attention to the league overall.
As a Raiders fan my one memory for him is how he acted after the 2011 season.
Threw players under the bus. Made some wild comments about how much power he wanted.
And during the games he'd do stupid things that cost us.
Collin Cowherd saying that Tom Cruise was in Captain Philips and Saving Private Ryan is such a Colin Cowherd thing to say🤣
Dead set on Carson Wentz. Dead set on Jalen Hurts.
Drafting terribly does wonders for a franchise to stay bad and the Browns are a perfect example of it. Dorsey really got the ball rolling for the Browns and their revival. It’s unfortunate Baker didn’t work out for them.
Dorsey was an awful drafter
Baker did work out for them. Browns just got ahead of themselves. Baker led them from trash to average NFL team with a playoff appearance and win. The Browns for some reason thought that made them automatic SB contenders. They should have kept Bakers and enjoyed being average till they got a true franchise QB but all they did was make another typical trash Browns blunder and trade for Watson who hasn’t shown signs of returning to his Texans form. DTR looks great for them though so maybe they finally lucked into a franchise QB.
@@WellWhyNot-lj8ufBaker Mayfield has as many playoff wins as Lamar Jackson, and current browns QB Watson. The press declares only one an abject failure.
@@WellWhyNot-lj8uf id roll the next ten years with baker mayfeild. hes not a top 5 QB, but ill take him anyways idgaf.
Good thing they have a rapist leading the team now. Huge upgrade for that dogshit franchise.
Dropped everything I was doing to watch this KTO documentary.
Please do more of these longer videos/documentary-style videos. We need it
As a Raiders fan who watched Hue's run as The next Browns coach. I was excited for you all. When he was a coach of the Raiders, the offense was high flying and you could tell he really cared. The ending of the post Al Davis death game against the Texans was a beautiful thing. His biggest issue was the penalties and discipline was god awful. Hoped he would have learned from that. But nah... :/
I don’t think it’s possible to be worse than the 2016 Cleveland Browns
*2017 has entered the chat*
The BBC used to have a deal for NFL Highlights and they used former Giants DE Osi Umenyiora as an analyst. After the Browns got their regular blowout defeat presenter Mark Chapman told him that the QB who had won the most games in Cleveland since 1999 was Ben Roethlisberger. “How is that even possible?” was Osi’s shocked reaction…
As a Bucs fan since '98, this is a bittersweet reminder that we are sometimes "lucky" to not have a trainwreck coaching series. We share that pain often as well
Haven't met many of ur kind in my life tell me what was it like to be a bucs fan from 2003-2019
I mean the bucs are pretty lucky to have two super bowl wins fall into their lap
And to have had the GOAT on your team for three seasons
i hate people like you, try being a raider fan (like me) browns/jets fans/texan fans. even alot of cowboy fans who have literally never seen winning football in their adult lives.
Bro y’all got 2 super bowls you don’t get to feel sad when you got one 3 years ago.
My day always gets better when KTO uploads
Nah fr
My late grandma ( who was so sweet) was always livid when she saw Hue’s Mr Hero commercials due to how bad his coaching was. 😅
I wish I could throw a Roman Burger at him
It’s nice to see the browns can even make a sweet old lady angry lol
Love Mr Hero. Great story!
The fact hue released half of the O line (which were pro bowler ) and then lost 6 QBs to injuries is just a example of the WTF decisions
Facts, surprised no one else said this.
Hue wasn’t the general manager
@@agent3269 so do coaches not coach? Your o line is so bad your qbs are getting hurt constantly, do you not make adjustments?
@@alexwinfield9540 I'm not 100% certain what adjustments would have worked. Quick passes require receivers to not drop the ball and screens require a few blockers to actually block. The GM and the owner have to be willing to open the checkbook to buy talent to put on the field. Take a look at poor Andrew Luck - the GM eventually admitted he (the GM) was to blame for the lack of an effective o-line for several years.
The thing I remember most about that 2017 game against the Texans is Joel Bitonio blocking two Texans d-linemen at once and getting called for holding even though he kept his hands inside. He basically just grabbed each of their chest plates, mashed them together, and started pushing them back. My friends and I had a joke at the time that went like "Holding, 75, offense. Successfully blocked two defenders at once, he plays for Cleveland, he's not supposed to be that good. Ten yard penalty from the spot of the foul, replay 3rd down." 😂😂
Can we take a moment to appreciate how much the production of this channel has grown? The graphics and visual representation feel like an actual documentary that is being narrated by an actual football fan.
No
How Hue went 0-16 and wasn't fired yet is beyond me.
He was EXTENDED.
It’s the Browns.
If that team went 2-14 people would say that they over achieved
He’s black
I think it says more about the organization and the front office.
I remember Bud Light running a promotion during the Browns winless streak where they gave 10 Cleveland bars a "Victory Fridge" full of beer under chain, lock & key, and they could only open it after the Browns won their first game. Whoever thought that one up should have gotten a promotion
It was absolutely hilarious man. The whole city... JUST WIN ONCE I WANT BEER lol
They desperately need to rehire that person for the head of their marketing department, and fire everyone else currently there. Lol
Fun fact… my buddies dad served as the billboard for that promotion after the browns finally won
Cleveland will never forget Hue. In fact they celebrate him every year. January 31 is known as Hue Jackson Day
Hue losing to the Browns was such a sweet victory. It is what really propelled the team into being not as bad as they used to be.
If you think this is bad, you should check out the Edmonton Elks north of the border. Since changing the name, the team has not won a game at home and most fans have given up supporting them. They are trying to give away tickets for free and nobody is taking them.
True
If there's beer no reason not to go.
Good. Tossing your team’s history and identity to satisfy a small group of malcontents deserves to be losers for life. Same would happen to the former Indians if their division wasn’t so terrible.
@@trevinschaerr3732 because the former Indians were truly a blessed franchise before the name change
@@bigbearkat2010I don't believe in destiny or anything like that but it's kind of interesting to me what has happened in the recent history of North American professional sports regarding these kinds of team name changes.
Eskimos change to Elks: team gets worse
Indians change to Guardians: mediocre team before and after
Redskins eventually change to Commanders: nearly won a playoff game as a nameless team, but have been a profoundly broken franchise at least since Snyder took over
Blackhawks: no name change, one of the most successful NHL franchises in the 21st century
Chiefs: no name change (yet, though the SJWNPCs are trying to force it despite the name not being directly connected to Native Americans), one of the most successful NFL teams in the last decade
Braves: no name change (probably the most surprising because of the way Atlanta is), recently won World Series and are at the time of writing the best team in MLB
My best explanation is that these teams, if they're doing poorly, need to find something to stay relevant and so they try to appease their constituents with meaningless pandering. If they're doing well, they don't bother changing their name because they're already relevant and most likely will continue to be. Never mind that by and large, not only were these teams not named with a derogatory intent (if intent does, in fact, matter), but by and large, modern indigenous peoples don't seem to care whether the name is changed or retained-and in the cases of the Blackhawks and the Florida State Seminoles, the tribes in question have given their permission to use the names.
Atleast Hue was consistent at being awful, I find it sadder to see all that 2020 momentum crumble to waste with front office decisions.
If they would’ve not fumbled the Deshawn situation they would’ve won a Super Bowl by now
A 34 minute video from KTO!? Am I dreaming right now!
haha 😂
"We're not going 1 and 15 again."
Well, he was right.
As painful as it all was, it was what needed to be done to get out of the 4-5 wins a season rut we were in for most of the seasons before that. There were too many “starters” that were overpaid and weren’t really going to get us anywhere. After going 4-44 from 15’-17’ the team has gone 40-42-1 in the 5 seasons since so though things haven’t been as good as they should be the team overall has improved to a near .500 team in the years since…
Being a .500 team consistently will get you stuck in a rut though as well. Always performing just good enough to miss out on top draft picks. Say what you want about "tanking" but baseball (a sport that is the hardest to draft successfully in) has proven that if done correctly, it works.
For context, that raiders team in 2010 went undefeated in the AFC West and became the 1st team in NFL history to sweep their division and miss the playoffs
Seems like a Raiders thing to do.
Man, the 2010 AFC West needs a documentary. Chargers miss the playoffs despite being the 1st team in NFL history to have the #1 offense and #1 defense in terms of yards, Raiders sweep their division and suck ass outside of it, and somehow the Winless Wonder Brodie Croyle ends up being gift-wrapped a division title. Oh, and the Broncos careened headlong toward a 4-12 record with future Hall of Famers Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow aboard.
@@dfp_01 Tebow? A Hall of Famer?
@@Yo_AB_Breaks I think he was being facetious
@dominicpancella3012 wasn't that 2010 Chargers team statistically even more elite than that? I remember reading that in terms of regular season stats the 2010 Chargers were basically the best NFL TEAM EVER and somehow missed the playoffs...
A 2010 documentary would be good
Browns fan from Mayfield OH, I would say our issue was never our coaches, it’s been our ownership. Same issue with the Indians. It’s absolutely ridiculous how incompetent we are of making good decisions as an organization. I really hope we turn things around this year.
I’m from Dayton and I’m a bengals fan. I get shitty ownership
@@sargentthiccboi9333
As a Steelers fan seeing Steelers fans call the Rooneys incompetent is hilarious and shows how spoiled we are as Steelers fans
When in the same division Browns and Bengals fans have legit incompetent owners and have actual reasons to be upset at them
It's why the cowboys are the cowboys. Jerry Jones ruins his team every year with terrible decisions.
I remember the 2017 season more than any other season since I started watching Browns football. I remember where I was for every game. Its like when you keep having traumatic experiences you remember exactly where you were. Its a hell of a trip rotting for this team
I know you meant "rooting for this team: but I'm gonna take a second to bask in the ironic truthspeaking of your typo.
@@hagamapama That poetic typo unintentionally hit the spot perfectly for fans during that time. Nice catch.
I find it funny the Browns tried to justify keeping Hue around after winning one game in two seasons, because what, he’s a positive influence on the guys? He coaches the game the right way? But then when he managed to double the win total from his first two seasons in less than half of his third season (technically a big improvement) they fire him and replace him with one of the biggest scumbags to ever coach in the NFL
I was born and raised in San Diego. When the Chargers became the only team to lose to this man's team in two whole years, I finally ragequit that cursed team. I have never looked back.
Thank you, Hue Jackson. Thank you. :)
Jesus died for us all, and rose from the grave to defeat death, so we can have eternal life. please give your lives to him, and repent, he loves you!🙏🙏❤️
I remember his mom passing away during this point in time… It’s pretty messed up the players piled on as well
Idk why this guy isn’t a OC in the NFL again. Some guys just aren’t meant for head coaching but he was clearly a good coordinator.
Uh… cause he screams racist, and sues teams for made up reasons when things don’t go his way.
@@tonyc8752 And then back tracks like a coward 😆
He sucked in Oakland.
Dan Quinn is another example.
@tonyc8752 he also failed miserably as a collage coach
I remember the second the Browns cut RG3, I predicted that they would go 0-16, and I was right.
He wasn’t anything amazing per say, but in 2016, he was hurt most of the year and the Browns won a game with him, and they proceeded to cut him.
To have a rookie qb that’s so fucking raw and needs so much help and development goes to a team that’s terrible all around him and not even keep a mentor qb like RG3 for Kizer is a recipe for disaster, he should of never been a brown and not keeping a veteran qb for Kizer was a terrible idea, that whole front office had no idea what they were doing
@@ILLUSI_O_N-V1Exactly. Quarterbacks need time to develop, and having a veteran on your roster helps.
I had no idea that Kizer’s college coach thought he wasn’t ready. Kizer didn’t play great don’t get me wrong, but he was totally set up to fail.
It’s just like what happened with Tim Couch at the start of the expansion years, only arguably worse because at least Couch’s coach would’ve probably told you he was ready for the pros.
Coming here during week 17 to bring up the night and day difference between Jackson and Stefanski. Browns are currently 11-5 with an outside shot at the AFC's top seed and I'm pretty sure can fall no lower than 5. I'm not a Browns fan, but the fanbase has to be feeling pretty hype right now.
2017 was the last time I felt hopeless as an browns fan
Randell giving him the ball was so fire lol
the Browns best pick from 2016 was emmanuel ogbah most Chiefs remember him as a key player in their super bowl run in 2019
Hell yeah! A 34 minute video by KTO
I'm a Bengals fan. I was sad that we lost both Mike Zimmer (amazing DC) and Hue (amazing OC), and when Zimmer did pretty well with the Vikings, was baffled at just how awful Hue was as a HC.
I’ve always thought he was a great OC
Cowherd mixing up Hanks and Cruise is the best part of this excellent video
We have mans-plaining and now we have explaining man-nalytics lol
I love Baker and I’m grateful for what he did for us.
As a saints fans who was watching Andy dalton start for us last year what he did with dalton’s is impressive
Long story short Hue Jackson got screwed. But that's the risk you take coaching the Browns.
I'm glad you covered the analytics part because Paul DePodesta was the one really screwing the team over with that
Analytics should have a place in football, but not nearly as big as a place as in non combat sports.
Analytics haven’t caught up to give guys ratings based on their ability to keep playing through pain or injuries, and it cannot take into account an athletes ability to play through physical and mental adversity, which is far higher in football than any other team sport.
Hue was the only one that screwed Hue. Either because he took the job completely ignorant that they were rebuilding, or because he took the job knowing there was a major rebuild and managed a tank far beyond what Haslam and company were bracing for in the first place.
I'll go a step further and say that he took the job in part BECAUSE he got to be part of a rebuild, as "the football guy" in the FO - which Sashi Brown was NOT, not even a little. That's why we had to "trust Hue" about Deshone Kizer, after all. But he threw the rebuild so far off the rails so hard they went out and got Dorsey to right the ship - hell, they had to trade Carlos Hyde JUST to force Hue to put Nick Chubb on the field, when Chubb was clearly the better back.
@@MarkZickefooseI didn't look at it like that but yeah he f#©€ed himself by not interviewing with the Giants first. I didn't think about taking the job because he would have had a "longer" leash. It honestly pissed me off when he said he was paid for losing after Flores' lawsuit when he "knew" what was up with the Browns.
Also hue is an idiot and horrible head coach, there’s that.
Hue was a terrible head coach he failed in the nfl and he just failed as a college head coach
That Hardknocks was special. It was like watching a car crash.
Its funny how people think thats Zach Galifianakis in the Mountain Man nod meme, its actually Robert Redford lol
Hue Jackson was honestly disingenuous in his swimming in the lake, he waited until the summer instead of doing it just after they went 0-16 in the middle of winter.
As a KC fan there’s a lot of connection between these two franchises recently. For instance John Dorsey played a roll in building both franchises from rock bottom. Browns passed on Mahomes and instead used chiefs camp cast off Kevin Hogan. Chiefs picked up Schwartz and ogbah and won a SB. In some alternate universe the browns hire Andy Reid in 2013 instead of Chudznsky, select mahomes and are coming off their second superbowl win. Wild! Much respect and best of luck this season
Browns DID NOT pass on Mahommes (yes, the benefit of hindsight, Mahommes should have been picked 1, but few Browns fans aren't happy with Myles Garrett). I do believe they thought they could get him at a lower pick, but remember, the Browns traded down AFTER he was picked by KC (Mahommes was picked at 10, but the Browns had the 12th where they actually did pass on Watson then traded down againn). I think Hue wanted him over Watson or at least convinced that they could get another pick and still get a qb. Depodesta (the real Browns GM) is so into draft picks he'll get them, no problem, but won't use them.
Regarding Reid, well, the Browns GM...err...Depodesta...err...the organization, doesn't like to bring in older vets. They want young guys they can mold and Reid doesn't fit that bill. Coaches that want to come in do things their way don't fit this team. Now, in all fairness, that's why Holmgren didn't work out.
Plus, Browns/Chiefs had a nice little rivalry just a couple years ago. I’m not saying the Browns are anywhere CLOSE to the level of KC, but there were some good games between the 2.
Mahomes would’ve been a bust in Cleveland. QBs need good coaches to succeed otherwise they don’t succeed at all.
people forget how happy Cleveland was when the hired hue Jackson
stole cincinnati’s OC smh 🤦♂️
yep, then he started to coach......
I think it was a decent call at the time. He helped get Oakland back to at least 8-8 from their horrible 4-12 seasons. He was a good OC in CIN.
He was viewed as the savior when he came but nope
i worked in the browns' front office from 2004 to 2010 and 2014 to 2016...could really help you understand what really went on in berea.
holy shit spill the beans
Dude said that and never makes another comment lol
As Grambling State head coach, he was 3-8 in 2022. It really feels like being an admittedly superb coordinator was just his peak just like McDaniels.
no not like mcdaniels
@@hunterpaigo5816 Josh not Mike.
Don’t forget Matt patricia(defensive coordinator for the patriots for 4 super bowls and gave them top 10 defense in almost every season I believe)
@@Taosparkeven Mike at this point
I am a lifelong bronco fan and I lived in Cleveland for 4 years. I was there when my broncos defeated the browns 3 times in the playoffs. I honestly feel bad for Browns fans. No one deserves what they have gone through. I moved away in 1992, and I think they have had 1 decent season since then, and I am now almost 47 and I was 14 when I moved away.
KTO you should do a video on the Edmonton Elks if the Canadian Football league and their home losing streak. They have lost 21 straight games at home and counting they haven’t won a home game since 2019. This is the longest home losing steak in all of pro sports and could potentially go up, I live in Edmonton I’m not a fan of the team but I’ve been to a lot of the home games as of recent and plan to continue until they win 😂
Edit: they ended the streak last night as the beat the Ottawa Redblacks 30-20 ending the home losing streak at 1415 days still would make a cool video though
I got a lot of schadenfreude seeing Huge Jackson struggle mightily in Cleveland. He has a used car salesman sleaziness that I first noticed as the OC with the Raiders. He very clearly snaked Cable's job just when it seemed like Cable was turning things around (who had drama but that's a different discussion). I'll admit Huge had things running smoothly until Fujita injured Jason Campbell, but then he made an insane trade for Carson Palmer because Al wasn't around to veto it, and after missing the playoffs he started saying he was gonna be co-GM. It just seems like he's completely in it for his own glory
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Great analysis. As a Browns fan, I can also say that Hue just seemed to have a weird sort of ego. He was very condescending towards local reporters at press conferences, referred to Terry Francona as "Coach Francola" to congratulate Terry on making it to the 2016 World Series, and had a not-so-positive meeting with the coaching staff on Hard Knocks, where he seemed to rub people the wrong way. Yes, we can blame Haslam and the front office until the cows come home, and, sure, maybe things would have been different if he had more talent. But ultimately, he just seemed like an incompetent coach.
I will never forget this stretch of football. It spanned my freshman to junior year of high school when I really started paying attention to football.
Steelers fan here, I know our two fanbases hate eachother, but I honestly can't bring myself to hate you guys due to all the bullshit you put up with yearly, its a very admirable trait. And it looks like you guys are gonna do good this season too! I just hope you guys give me a reason to hate your team by playing good football!
As a fellow Steelers fan, I don't hate the Brownies fans. They're passionate and have put up with a lot of shit (Sort of like the yinzers who are still Pirates fans). Like, I wouldn't be pissed if they actually did win a Super Bowl someday. They aren't jagoffs like the Pats fans.
I just liked seeing the guaranteed Ws on the calendar, well until more recently 😅
I think you described pitying
as a browns fan, this was a rough time to say the least
2 years with only 1 win; and Jimmy Haslam brought him back. 🤔
I actually made this face 😂 when I heard that news
Wait wym he brought him back?
Greg Williams won more games than Hue as browns head coach
@@williamstocker584Why was he not retained going into 2019?
Extended him actually.
Do a documentary on the failure of Willie Taggart! Similar tenure/storyline from Oregon-FSU-FAU.
Fun Facts: (1) After an FSU matchup against Wake Forest, Willie got into a fight on the plane ride home-- with a player. Might need to dig past news articles for this, because that story was buried. (2) An FSU-local kid opened a lemonade stand, raising money for Willie's buyout.
Hue Jackson is an example of the gulf between coordinator and head coach. I kind of forgot as how serviceable he was as an OC. Just unsuitable as HC.
Kyzer must have nightmares wishing he’d stayed in school.
Long time viewer (and fellow Browns fan here). This video was fantastic! Some of your best work! Keep it up man.
Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself by pausing to comment. But I thought of the 0-16 parade as a positive thing. They raised a hell of a lot of money for charity that day, and I thought of that actually as quite a beautiful example of a City Light Cleveland knowing how to take a negative and turn it into a positive!! I also think it's pretty messed up that you wouldn't mention that part of what they did all that for!
It raised a lot of money for charity, but make no mistake, the parade was ALL about the sarcasm.
Jackson is another one of hundred cases of good coordinator but horrible HC. The fact he's the worst HC in NFL history is not even in question, and I still remember how shocked I was, even if I'm not a Browns fan, when he decided to start Kizer that season, and even more shocked when the Browns did not fire him after the 1-31 in 2 seasons.
Love this channel. It's very clear that a lot of effort goes into these videos. Keep up the great work!
I remember watching their only win in 2016 and even as a cowboys fan i was hyped😂
Dude! You have to do a video on the greatest rushing season ever. Hershel Walker 1985.
Your editing is god-tier, nice job man!
One thing I admire about your videos, The Score! The music always seems to match the content! 💯
Colin called Tom Hank Tom Cruise that's funny 😂
as a Lions fan I'm always grateful for the Browns
I'm surprised you never mentioned his charity fraud and even gave him sympathy at the end.
Yeah, the portrayal for sympathy at the end had me rolling my eyes.
I would feel bad but Hue was very stubborn, as an eagles fan watching their hard knocks it was shocking how much this guy thought his shit didnt stink.
They did Baker so dirty ....decades of terrible qb play and losing he comes in and takes them to the playoffs and even a playoff win and they say eh we can do better
I'm 46. I was born and raised in Pittsburgh. I'm a die-hard Steelers fan. This tenure of Browns football brought me no joy. I want the Browns and Steelers to be like they used to be when I was growing up. It's no fun to see your old rival be reduced to the laughingstock of the league.
I went to that week 5 game. Great experience overall.
Browns fans have suffered more than any fan base in any sport. The drive. The fumble. Red Right 88. 0-16 season. Browns moved to Baltimore and won 2 Championships. Bill Billcheck left the Browns and built a dynasty in New England. The Steelers have won multiple Super Bowls. The Bengals went to 3 Super Bowls and played in the last 2 Conference Championships. Meanwhile the Browns are still the got damn Browns. It's so exhausting. I hope "maybe next year" is THIS year!
Preach
I think they need a rebrand at this point
I don't think it's going to get better until you have new ownership. Haslam is going to suffer the most now that Snyder is gone and will take the spotlight as the NFL's worst owner.
This misery actually made me have a soft spot for the browns ❤️ I’m a raiders fan so misery loves the company of misery 🤣💀💀 at least raiders we’re doing…. Okay during one of those years then it all went away again 💀💀💀 love it
Lifelong Browns fan, I wore a lot of Raiders gear as a kid though. Loved the colors and BO was my spirit animal. GL this season brother in misery.
It just made me glad that the Raiders let him go. Following Al's death he mortgaged their future with the Palmer trade, then missed the playoffs, blamed everyone but himself, and then in the offseason made proclamations like he was going to help decide who the next GM will be. Even more than a locker room cancer, he's a cancer at the organizational level
I’ll never forget being a bengals fan for so long my dad watched the playoff game with me when we lost to the Steelers on that field goal when we were supposed to go far, and after that game he turned and looked at me and said “that feeling you got right now is me everyday being a browns fan” I was like damn 🤣
Being a Browns fan is a tough time but I'll never forget that moment we won against the Jets. OPEN THE FRIDGES!!
Before I even press play, I want you to know even the title of this vid brought back a glimpse of that dread I felt in those days. What an absolutely hopeless period of time for a Browns fan. More so than any other time in history. Go Browns.