Besides, this video is only lazy job... The STD (yes, it's that bad, IMHO) Klingons exist before the 'cucaracha' Klingons Kirk dealt with (created with that visual because Gene had a feud with a latino neighbor) and Worf... One logical explanation is that from the STD visual, Klingons went to a complete overhaul, getting a more 'human' visual (no ridges)... Later, ashamed of this betrayal to themselves, they changed 'back' and, although not being able to revert completely to their original look, they ended with a unique identifiable visual (Worf).
So I guess I missed the part of the video where you actually “explained” the Klingon redesign. You know, like your title suggests? All you did was point out the obvious differences. This video is a waste of time.
Do the ST: Discovery team not know that their main audience is a bunch of geeks and nerds who are super interested in lore, continuity, and precision?? The minute a ST producer forgets its audience, is the minute their show fails.
Joscelyne K It seriously looks like they are looking to find a new larger main stream audience. I don't think that includes the old timers who grew up with trek ... I'm gonna watch it anyway but man this looks so disappointing already.
The answer is that they don't care, they payed a market research company a lot of money and that's the design they pulled out of their asses... I mean "researched".
Star Trek is a niche franchise with a idiosyncratic vision, and idiosyncratic visions tend to bè effaced when making an IP more mainstream, even if its inescapable that the idiosyncratic vision Will Always remain the source of the IP's appeal. Star Wars was such a Successful trilogy despite its simplistic and manichean nature that It only benefitted from the various stories and deconstructions by talented authors Who injected complexity and ambiguity to the franchise through novels, cartoons and videogames(See KOTOR II by Chris Avellone for a very good example of this). But Star Trek it's not Star Wars, and making a pausterized and action packed version of Star Trek with no metaphors and less moral ambiguity, with the Klingons being regressed from Honorable boisterous bruisers to ugly purple space orcs, its One of the most fantastic examples of some authors missing the point that i've ever seen.
“Enterprise“ solved the problem of no brow ridges in “TOS“ and now “Discovery“ has completely destroyed the continuity. They’ll be no explaining this away.
@@AudiophileTommy The show has had its fair share of evolution / de-evolution plots so don't be going saying its not possible for such a dramatic change. The show is science fiction anyways and also this video was trying to explain it was genetic tampering.
Yes there is, Disco belongs to some alternate fiction universe and is not Canon. Sold, done, bin it, move on. It has made its bed with its wife Kathleen Kennedy.
@@AudiophileTommy Modern Humans have been around about 130,000 years and this is the only time that we have been a singular species. There have been at least 5 other species close enough to be cousins in that time period. Imagine AI and genetic engineering run wild, a species could become anything in a short period of time.
Thank you for EXPLAINING the obvious.. You didn't EXPLAIN anything. The title should be "Klingon redesign, the difference between TOS, TNG and Discovery explained for blind people."
The old Klingons didn't look great but these are worse. They already decided what Klingons look like, so they have to stick with it. I can understand minor improvements, but not a complete redesign.
I guess I don't really understand the point of this video. The title Klingon Redesign EXPLAINED. So I see that title and think you're going to talk about the decisions, the rationale behind the change. Maybe include behind the scenes comments or interviews with the show staff. But you actually just described the physical changes... which we can all plainly see. There was nothing in this video that was the particularly interesting nor useful. There was no point to this.
I agree with you Michael. I thought he would give an explanation of the background and etymology of the changes, but alas I guess he just wanted clicks on his video. In that it looks as if he succeeded!!
I think it is intended as an explanation for non-Trek fans. i.e. to those unfamiliar with Star Trek "this" is why some narrow-minded fans, who clearly forget that the Klingons have gone through many re-imaginings over the course of the franchise, are upset.
Jacques Lapeyre except that every other change (and there really has only been two: Ridges and hair to human looking and back to ridges and hair) has been explained through a very plausible explanation in STENT. STD comes along and has absolutely no explanation and no one can come up with one. Unless STD is in the Kelvin (JJ Abrams) Universe!
That's because they made the makeup and suits to heavy there's a reason the Klingons are always Mongolian like in dress and makeup isn't to much to make it easier on the actors. If they changed Klingons so radically why not other races just turn andorians into blue versions the taalz from star wars they make more sense morphologically for ice planets than just blue humans with antenna.
Personally, I find the new and redesigned Klingon look for "Star Trek: Discovery" to be a complete TURN-OFF for me. I am so fed up with the changes for the "Trek" franchise that I feel like shouting at it.
The changes aren't by choice. it's all due to licensing, they have a license to make a star trek show, but not rights to make main universe shows. bureaucracy at its finest.
Robert Polanco you are right it shouldn't have changed at all from the 60s! I. Sick of all this change. Gah. Change is hard to deal with because I don't know exactly what it will be like! Woman back as Yomans with short skirts please!!!!
Designer 1: Done Designer 2: What's that? Designer 1: A Klingon! Designer 2: That doesn't look like a Klingon. Designer 1: Well, we started out with a Klingon, threw some blue and black paint on it, shaved it, and then smashed it's face in with a shovle. Designer 2: That's not a Klingon. Designer 1: Yeah I know, but they said they wanted something new and edgy. Look, I'm not getting paid enough and this show is only to sell their subscription service. How long do you really think it's gonna last? Designer 2: But that's not a Klingon. Designer 1: Just say it is and defend the statement saying they are some genetic offshoot or evolutionary offshoot or something. I don't care, I'm too lazy to change them now. They are the new Klingons! Designer 2: Yay.... new Klingons! I'm gonna go puke now, I think they are onto us. They know we aren't taking this seriously. The fans are going to crucify us for this.
I'm a fan of Star Trek. This goes way back to the 1960's. Even then there was something about the Klingons that pulled me in. I love the Klingons. I was OK with the changes they gave them in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. By the time we got to Star Trek: TNG, the Klingons were quite established and accepted. These new so-called aliens are NOT Klingons. You can redesign the ships, Starfleet uniforms and even the special effects. But do not touch the well established aliens we have grown to know and love. This includes the Romulans.
If only the klingons that we grew up with, teamed up with the federation to go against these "new klingons"...and wouldn't it be even more amazing if Worf and Martok had the influence to make that happen ..cmon star trek discovery ....it's in your name...so let's 'discover' ? Don't forget the episode of DS9 where worf explains to the crew that traveled back in time with him, why the klingons changed in appearance from star trek TOS to TNG/DS9 ....too bad whoever posted this video didn't talk about that part...
As much as I truly hate the Klingon redesign, what really makes this show stand out from canon is all the damn holograms. They obviously wanted to make this show a sequel where they could easily explain all this high-tech stuff, but someone who didn't know/understand/care about Trek canon demanded it be a prequel to the original Star Trek. Right where it totally doesn't fit.
and why would you said that? You've never been in space. You don't know how alien races look like. You are free to have your own opinion, but you are part of the problem.... you are one of the reasons we don't live in star trek. You are so enclosed, orthodox and locked into your own ass that you can't embrace the new that's coming.
That was one of the most unwarranted, judgmental, self-indulgent, ridiculous replies that I've ever seen on TH-cam. And that's saying something. A reply to what was clearly just a pun that he thought might be funny. A pun that may have reflected his own feelings on this subject, or what he felt the general sentiments of the video were. You have no idea what the intent was from that one simple pun. Yet you're going to try to rip his entire life apart to prove that he's not a special, non-judgmental, snowflake like you. You are, in fact, part of the problem. And don't bother responding to this because any response that you could muster, other than an apology to john doe, would make you look like even more of an idiot. Not to mention the fact that, I couldn't possibly care less about what someone like you has to say.
Knight Moritz We don't live in Star Trek because, first, it's a TV show, but more importantly, second, according to the show's own canon, we should be living through the horrors of a post-nuclear war that started in 1997. Even then, the actual story of Star Trek won't start until 2063 when Zephram Cochrane makes his first Earth-based warp flight in April. It's not because of purists, it's because we're living in the wrong timeline that Star Trek isn't reality today. Dumbass.
Well little nigga, these klingons are more anatomically correct. A small budget for TNG/DS9 left the production team with only the ability to plaster a forehead on klingons. The Discovery Klingons have whole body suits that resemble non human skin. Ds9 and TNG wish they had the budget to do these things.
Let's see: Klingons = Similar to humans but more "primitive" in appearance, warlike, horrible attitudes...sounds like orcs to me. Vulcans = Pointy ears, feels superior to humans and just about every one else, smug......sounds like elves to me. Then you got Tellarites who come off very much as dwarves.
The Klingon redesign was one of the reasons I stopped watching Discovery.... It was completely unnecessary....which is kind of how I feel about the entire series...
the #notmy_____ hashtags have been around way longer than the election though haven't they? And even if it IS a reference to a political hashtag, the meme has been so far separated from it's origin that it's not really any kind of political statement worth taking a stand over. :\
Theyre not your grandmas klingons, but theyre klingons and they look cool as hell! stop crying about how you want an alien race to look human becasue thats what you grew up with when they had no makeup and prosthetic skills. Idiots.
Basically the director look at the Klingons and said " these things aren't alien enough, the hell with the fanbase I want them to be more alien" so now we have Abominations
Hey, you know that thing we're all cool with? well, we're gonna fuck with it. Why?...uhhh we were bored. let's make 'em look like the jeepers creepers guy.
Clickbait much? How exactly is it 'EXPLAINED'? You just listed all the changes without any explanation at all (with few speculations at most). 'CJ explores and explains one of the most controversial aspects of the new show: the redesign of the Klingons!' Yeah... no. I was hoping for some insight, maybe info from creators of the show as to WHY they decided to make these changes. Useless video.
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What always irritated me about Worfs Little 'Klingon Facts' is that they are plain wrong sometimes. Very weird, right? Like for example "Klingons do not laugh". Where the heck does he get that from? We havent even seen one little, i don't know 'Tribe' that has a Culture of never laughing, or something like that! Nothing! Klingons do not laugh is just simply wrong in all ways of perception. Just an Example though.
What always irritated me about Worfs Little 'Klingon Facts' is that they are plain wrong sometimes. Very weird, right? Like for example "Klingons do not laugh". Where the heck does he get that from? We havent even seen one little, i don't know 'Tribe' that has a Culture of never laughing, or something like that! Nothing! Klingons do not laugh is just simply wrong in all ways of perception. Just an Example though.
@@slevinchannel7589 I am no star trek expert, I was confused because of that as well when I saw the episode were Riker is on the kligon ship in season 2 I believe. Through word you get the expression that klingons are a lot more diffrent from humans than they actually are Worf just happens to have a lack of humor etc. I explain it to myself that his behaviour is a consequence of him not actually being raised by Klingons. He maybe doesnt know all that much about kligon culture in practise maybe it appeared to him that having no honor is a klingon thing because it was something he got from books or simply said so to feel like he belongs somewhere. Or he just follows the rules and standards of Klingon society a lot more than the modern klingons. Idk that are just my explanations I feel like it's kinda hard to tell with him as he is the only Klingon we really see in action all the time.
@@dantheultimate2497 I'm not sure what you are looking at but that is a utter and complete redesign. I would not have even thought they were Klingons if I hadn't seen this video. I would have thought just some other Alien humanoid. They look NOTHING like a Klingon.
THUMBS DOWN. You didn't "explain" the redesign. You just told us what we already knew (from photos: they have new faces and uniforms). Giant waste of my time .
The redesign is it is so heavy it hinders the actor's ability to show basic facial expressions. Which becomes more pronounced when you compare Shazad Latif's portrayals of Voq and Tyler. There is almost nothing left of the human face for him to convey any emotion in Voq. The actors do a pretty good job using body language to convey their character's mood but some of that is lost in face to face encounters.
The real reason why the Klingons look different is a licensing issue between Paramount and CBS. Paramount is creating the series but they can't use anything that resembles the TV shows since CBS has the rights to that. So you're basically getting a reboot of the prime timeline, that's why the Discovery ship, the Klingons, and the uniforms look different. There's a great video by Midnight's Edge on their TH-cam channel that explains it more thoroughly and why Discovery is such a mess.
+ SuperG50 Zero If they're gonna do that, why bother?? If they cannot use the designs in TOS and TNG due to copyright issues, then they should just have called it a reboot or a reimagined Trek universe and NOT have associated it with the prime timeline.
don't watch it. You're not gonna get another kirk and another tos. this is what you're gonna get, either you're going to accept it or you're going to be regressed all your life. exactly the opposite of wonderful idea behind a crappy show.
Knight Moritz I am not a TOS fan, don't like Kirk, I am a TNG and DS9 fan and Klingon's are iconic in appearance these Klingon's look ridiculous and it changes everything the ship even looks stupid.
Knight Moritz Fuck that. CBS and Paramount don't own me. I will watch what ever the Fuck I want. If they can't make a show that I like in the settings l enjoy then I won't watch it. SO fuck CBS. And for the record If the show bombs, CBS will still make Star Trek. It make a few years before some over in CBS gets it through their thick skulls to not piss off the fans and give them what they want.
I can explain it for you. Black people. Thats it. Old klingons were all black people with stuff on their foreheads. And, because Hollywood had gone full SJW (the writers of this show even modeled the klingons after trump supporters), having klingons resemble black people, even thought they... ya know... aren't... is something that had to be changed. This show is going to tank harder than any other star trek have ever tanked. Worse than enterprise. Because as loud and fucking annoying as the screeching autistic left is, they are NOT sci-fi nerds. They drink craft beer and think vinyl records sound good for some reason. They aren't going to watch this. And completely fucking with the show to make them happy is going to completely alienate (no pun intended) ACTUAL trek fans that would have been the die hard fan base. And it keeps happening. Over and over and over. It's social engineering and fans hate it.
I agree with you, the beard symbolized the courage and masculinity of a warrior. I believe the Star Trek Generation Klingon stayed true to the origins of the original Star Trek Klingon race. There has to be some type of difference to distinguish a male from a female other than the bosoms.
The redesign is crap. This is supposed to be only 10 years before Kirk and the Enterprise go on their 5 year journey. Whoever made the decision to do this major design change royally fucked up.
the Enterprise is suposedly out there flying with captain Pike at this point..and in TOS Klingons had normal human faces and smooth foreheads.. wich was explained in Enterprise as an augment virus gone wrong wich left Klingons looking like humans for nearly a century until a cure was found arround TOS was over. Those Klingons are derivated from the JJ universe ones.. a total fuck up
I never liked the Enterprise explanation either. Originally the Klingons were said to genetically modify small batches of their own as scouts when meeting other races. Thus Klingons scouting human space looked more human and those in Romulan space looked more Romulan. This policy was phased out by the end of TOS and by TGN its just a dark dishonorable chapter of Klingon history.
BRUCE E FERRY, true. I wonder how they would explain the situation with Archer's meeting the Klingon that lost the ridges due to that disease interacting with the destabilized klingon augmented DNA, with Kirk seing the old-style Klingons in TOS and the cured Klingons in Search for Spock, it's curious how losing the ridges in Enterprise time period suddenly made super ridges pop up 10 years before start of the original series and disappear again until the Search for Spock...
Thank God I never had to suffer through this crap. I love Star Trek, my dad and I would always go to the movies together to watch all of the movies. We'd watch TNG, DS9, and Voyager when they were on TV, and we always had such a great time together. His favorites were The Wrath of Khan and First Contact. I never saw the original Star Trek episode with Khan and one day he took off from work and pulled me out of school so we could both watch the rerun of the original "Space Seed" episode. He found out that it was gonna be on TV from the TV guide and decided to surprise me, much to my mother's annoyance. We both loved the Klingons and how they went from adversaries to friends in TNG, with Worf serving as an officer on the Enterprise. So the thought of Discovery changing everything that we knew about them just felt wrong and I didn't want any part of it. Sadly my dad passed on before Enterprise and Nemesis. I remember thinking that he would've loved Enterprise, especially with the frozen Borg. I also remember thinking that I was glad that he didn't have to watch the sad way Enterprise ended or suffer through Nemesis. That's why I can't get into these new shows like Discovery or Picard. They just feel wrong, maybe it's because Gene Roddenberry passed on and there isn't anyone left to look after his vision of the characters. IDK, all I do know is that this crap ain't Star Trek and I don't want anything to do with it!
Roddenberry died during the next generation his vision was upheld at least up to deep space 9 with reworking of the ferengi being very well done compared to tngs ferengi. I cant speak for voyager or the one with scott bakula because neither are as good but i agree 💯percent discovery looks like crap
@@seanraines5871 so what? and not really they pay him so they can put a "roddenbury" name on stuff.... he in no way has creative control of discovery like his dad did with Star Trek..... also he's not even proven himself to make any decent shows he's just riding on his dads reputation star trek is not a monarchy
i think season 2 of picard might be a worth a go... but yeah discovery just was garbage for me Next Gen was a lot more interlectual and about the actual story not all the actions and stuff, Picard is more like this than discovery
@@DarkShroom yet it's the same people behind both. I knew majel roddenberry brought things out that gene roddenberry had wanted to do like andromeda so I figured eugene was doing his part
I really want to like discovery - I've tried to keep an open mind - but I swear with each new change I hear about, my expectations and hopes die a little bit more.
Don't bash too much, this show may actually bring insight to the diehard fan's questions about Klingon Augment Virus KAV --This has been needed for a very long time.
CBS is trying too hard to make it appeal to a wider audience and in doing so they're alienating the fans of Star Trek. The fans are always the vanguard that bring in new viewers of a franchise. It's the fans that control how a show is perceived. Subtle changes could be made and include vastly superior sets and effects. But no, it looks like they're using the name Star Trek on something that's not Star Trek at all. They will have neither fans and new viewers in significant quantities.I hope I'm wrong but it's not looking good.
Kat Tootle Wow you sound exactly like those old geezers from 1987 when they pretty much said the exact same thing about star trek the next generation. Yes that's right I said it, when star trek the next generation was about to make its debut on the air, a lot of these old geezers at that time period were complaining saying that's not exactly like the original star trek series from the 1960's that they've known and grown up with and fell in love with. It's just so weird and odd that history is always repeating itself over and over again, and not being open minded to change. But eventually within the final analysis, the old folks finally came around to it and accepted star trek the next generation as its own thing and finally became open minded and grew to love it eventually.
Gerard Whittaker, its change for the sake of change. Disney has done the same thing with Star Wars. I have not watched any of Discovery, and most likely will not. The change of the Klingons is but one reason. Another is i wont pay above and beyond what i already do to my satalite and internet provider just to see a show. Call me old fashioned. LOL
Guys do your research. This is how Klingons originally looked before the events in Star Trek Enterprise. There is a 2 part episode. Season 4 episode 15
They could have done just the opposite...make a series about the time-traveling faction of the federation from the distant future that was featured in Voyager. That would have been a totally different kind of show.
honestly those guys, and the fact that their genesis is pretty much the end of voyager, are the reason we haven't gone post-voyager yet. Once you have time travel you can use however you want, conflict is kind of dead in the water. As it is, a lot of people who oversimplify the risk in the slingshot technique still bitch to this day about why didn't kirk just go back in time for this plot or that plot.. no, they wrote themselves into a corner. as neat as it would be, post-voyager just wouldn't work anymore. Plus it was all wrapped up so neat and tidy. The dominion war kind of finished off each story's race, peace was kind of perpetual, and even the galaxy-spanning threat of the borg have become easy to fight off by the end... so there was really nowhere to go That said, I still would have gone with, er, Captain Frasier's era. You get your retro appeal but you can still use that just-barely-pre-TNG tech. have your primitive holodecks that don't do much yet. have your wars with the romulans and your skirmishes with the klingons. I dunno honestly there's not much they can do period that is going to be satisfying. Star Trek doesn't need more entries in the franchise. What we need is a new franchise made in the SPIRIT of star trek, with the same old kind of thoughtfulness and adventure, but without the canon baggage. instead we got The Orville, and even that sounds better than this.
They did not just change the physical characteristics of the the Klingons, they changed their culture as well. In Discovery they had the Klingons eat cooked meet. In TNG Kurn thought the cooked turkey was left in the sun too long. Remember the Klingon eat Gagh which is live worms. They messed up the vulcans too, in the scene where Sarek's assistant kills himself his blood is shown as red as the light goes thought his skin.
Groovy Guru That was a good episode The genitronic scanner The Klingon Death Rite His importance to the crew and bonds he forged with them And medical ethics
I thought Discovery was the same canon as the New Movies with JJ. but there might be 3 canons going on now, not sure. (excluding comics n video games, cause those don't really truely count anyways.)
In other words, it's not really "Star Trek". It's its own Sci-Fi universe with a sloppy "Star Trek" veneer. They should have got someone else to produce it and did their own thing, like Orville did.
They have taken "redesign" to a different level. They are not recognizably Klingon. Their ships do not look anything like what we know as Klingon ships. Where's my K't'inga? They look like a completely different race, and they don't even SOUND Klingon anymore. (And they also mispronounce 'Kahless', which was always said "Kay-less")
Kent Goertzen I would not have recognized them if it weren’t for the caption. They DO NOT look recognizably Klingon. The uniforms look awful, the lack of hair and facial hair. And they way they act is not like even the first Klingons we ever saw. No, just no.
I've been keeping my mouth shut throughout all this but yeah, I thought they were some sort of weird looking Xindi too. Here's hoping this new series bombs big and the powers that be tell the SJW's to go sit on a photon torpedo.
@Kent Goertzen : When I watched episode 1, I had *no clue* that the alien ship Cmdr. Burnham found or the alien she faced was Klingon until we saw the Klingon insignia and the computer voice identify it as Klingon. And I can say this because I never watched any of the trailers or read any of the reviews beforehand. Anyway, I could not name one thing about the way these so-called "Klingons" looked or behaved that I would identify as Klingon. Rather, they look and act like a completely different species.
I overlooked a lot of the crap I was hearing about this new series, figuring I'd give them a chance. Then they rolled out these reboot "Klingons". What's next? Vulcans with tentacles? You can watch this crap if you want. I'm done. Seriously, if they wanted to break out a brand-new, shiny set of alien masks for their new show, all they had to do was INVENT A NEW RACE. Instead they choose to piss in our collective cheerios.
That's certainly part of it, I agree. But it's also the same BS that's happened to the Hugo awards - political correctness and the SJWs ruin everything they touch. Once you've got politics trumping plot, your storylines go to shit.
Their teeth are different too. They look cool, but why redesign Klingons at all? Just make a new race of aliens, with an entirely new culture. Oh right, too much work, not enough imagination. The problem with the new Trek spin-offs is they go backwards, not forward in the timeline. If they went forward, they don't need any canon. Let's see humanity 200 years after TNG; Transwarp drive. Phasic cloaks. Interdimensional travel. Humans splicing DNA from animals into their genome to have leopard print skin or horns from ram DNA - use your imagination. Space suits that are an energy shield, 1 mm thick and form tightly around the body. Tech so amazing it seems like magic. Speak with real scientists and ask them what could be achieved with an infinite power source so small you could hold it in your hand. With all the advances in physics, biology etc., this is the best the the creators can do? Lame
To be fair, all sci-fi authors from back in the day greatly underestimated the scale of the progress a space-faring civilization will make. It's just a campy TV show. They can't re-write the original setting. This is just costume creep. Star Trek has always reflected the time it's written in more than a plausible future.
This might be very cool to look at, but it doesn't make for a very interesting TV show (at least for a lot of people). You can even see this with existing tech like the Transporter. They always have to write in some bogus reason why they can't use a transporter in the situation, because if they could, the episode would be finished. The further they advance in time, the more "magical" the tech is, it becomes increasingly hard to write interesting plot. That's why I think they also went backwards with ENT. Not because they lack imagination for cool stuff.
I think they called them Klingons to keep the old fans interested. About post-TNG time: almost impossible. At the end (and also at the end of Voyager) such extreme technology had been invented that the Federation basically would be unbeatable, or it would basically be impossible to write good stories around it all and keep some sort of balance.
I hate everything about the new "Klingons", bit the most galling thing is the fact that they invented a sister for Spock. Spock never had a sister, or half sister, but what he did have was a half brother. So is she meant to be his sister? If yes, then they have to reference Sybok, they have no choice. That said, I wont be watching this.
They look different, the armour is different, and the technology is different. They are not Klingons, and the people in charge should have just created a new race instead of bastardizing a pre existing one.
When watching videos on the “new” Klingon design, people tend to always refer back to The Next Generation Klingons, but that look goes back to The Motion Picture and the movies that followed afterwards.
I think, that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. There was nothing wrong with the TNG Klingons. There was no need for any redesign. It's things like this that drive me further away rather than pull me towards a new Star Trek series.
I had the same thought - wasn't quite happy with the new klingons, but the show is still good and they grow on you (maybe not as klingons anyway ;)). I'm kinda surprised by this show. Some things i did not like or still don't like (Klingons were strange but are now ok, spore drive is just terrible powerfull tech, i hate it - it's like beaming from earth to Qo'noS) still this show is good. I like the new captain a lot. Burnham is getting better and the story is interesting. Though i hope it will be successfull - because i wanna see more of it by now.
I think it was In a ST:TNG episode where explained why many of the races on the galaxy shares this look-a-like: we all came from a common genetic pool and each evolved on different paths.
yeah, but if you´d seen the one TNG episode, it is all explained...they all have the same root, every single race in the milky way...right down to the DNA
I was worried I'd be missing out on a new Trek series, Now I feel better, I have no interet in seeing this any longer. How could they screw up such a well-defined, important race as the Klingons?
You talked about all the changes but not why they did this. In Enterprise they explained why the Klingons lost their ridges due to the augment virus. This is why the Klingos do not have ridges in TOS. ENT and TOS has the klingon story well explained....and all of a sudden a series that goes between them in the timeline has them looking completely different. So now they have to explain normal klingons, to lost ridges, to whatever these things are, to lost ridges, back to normal klignons. Seems like they are catering to the JJ Abrams crowd rather than the Star Trek faithful. Bad move. Oh, and if one Discovery shuttle sounds like a pod racer, am doing to drop kick my TV and send the bill to CBS.
Overall, I liked the explanation that John Ford created for the 'Klingons' supplement to FASA's Star Trek RPG -- that the Klingons created genetic fusions with both humans and Romulans, and these were the two 'races' of Klingons we saw in TOS, with the unmodified Imperial Race being what we saw beginning with the first movie.
dopeintegra83 I'm with you. How will they explain this? One of their scientists got carried away trying to change them back and they had to reintroduce the virus into their systems to save them? Or, if they had just let things go naturally, they'd be fine? They shouldn't have changed the Klingons like that, but made them somewhere in-between as a link to TOS.
When I was at the Dragoncon Parade, I saw about 200 Star Wars fans in it. There were 2 classic NG Klingons, about 30 NG uniforms, about 5 from the original cast films, 0 new film or series uniforms, and 0 new Klingons. So, it seems catering to the "new fans" is fruitless. Fans make or break a series. And CBS fired the fans who were making STD. So happy they ended up on The Orville.
Actually it can be easily explained if optimistic Trek ever returns: the current iteration of Trek is so bad that it is not cannon. At least that's how I see it. Trek ended with Enterprise back in the 2000s.
I've said it before, the first images we got of these new klingons I found interesting (in a bad way). They seemed to have brown skin (google it for yourself). They had inhumanly wide noses, and seemed to have thick lips..... As a black man myself, the almost stereotypical resemblance to my ethnicity seemed strange, didn't anybody stop and think how this might look on screen? Now this bit says they are jet black (which is still nearly possible, Djimon Hounsou aside ^_^) and near purple, something I did not see in the initial images. I'll still give the first episode a watch since its for free, but unless it really knocks my socks off I won't be paying to watch any more of the series.
BlueVestMonkey I get that these Klingons are probably just a different race of Klingons (like how us Humans have White, Black, Asian, Maori, Arab, etc people) or this generation of Klingons are still slightly deformed by the Klingon Augment virus (as explained in Star Trek: Enterprise) but I don't get why they have to look too different from either the TNG era or TOS era Klingons.
+3 years later, if you have not gotten an explanation yet, the makers of the show do not care about it fitting into continuity or making any sense, they think of you as suckers and guaranteed views....
As far as I'm concerned, they are NOT Klingons. They don't look like Klingons, they don't act like Klingons, they don't dress like Klingons, and their cultural ideas are a complete departure from what was established about the Klingons in previous Star Trek works (especially the movies and The Next Generation, the latter which fleshed out Klingon culture the most). I can accept them as possibly being an evolutionary offshoot, but they are definitely NOT Klingons to me.
We can accept Romulans having been Vulcan, there was a way to achieve an explanation for the differences. I don't know why they insist on calling them Klingon.
The Next Gen Klingons will always look the Best, and CBS is screwing the fans over by making this an all access pay site, at least put it on NETFLIX which by the way everybody has, who the hell has CBS All Access?, nobody.
Thai's the same thing that type of Klingon evolved from Star Trek the motion picture and Star Trek 3 the Search for Spock and they stuck with this template all this time until this new show Discovery which is by the way before Kirk but after Enterprise with all of this future tech?, they screwed up the Canon timeline and went with the Kelvin timeline which I am not a huge fan of, if its not broken don't fix it.
You couldn't fuck up Star Trek more if you intentionally set out to do so. I'm not even going to watch the first free episode now. I just don't give a shit.
Even though the look of the Klingons has changed over the years their mannerisms and character as a warrior race with a big serving of martial pride was set by their first appearance.
first jar jar abrams fucks the movies then paramount kills axanar and now these fucking assholes kill the series..... sigh, if i just had the money to buy startrek from paramount and cbs, i would get it back on track......
They could have just said the first season took place in the Mirror Universe, which would have been a great move because it would have allowed them to redesign the show a little and unite the fans, but they burnt that bridge...
Agreed urs Myers. The producers, writers, designers, etc. don't realize that they will never turn Trek into a mass appeal behemoth like Star Wars, which isn't really science fiction but a science fantasy/space opera. Star Trek has always had a niche appeal to science fiction fans, nerds, geeks, technophiles, and people of higher IQs/intellects. In their quest to make more of the Almighty Dollar (an obsessive endeavor which has faded from human behavioral patterns by the time of Star Trek and its various iterations, by the way) they are alienating much of the core of the Trek fanbase.
But why do you actually care? it's just asthetics, obviously if they changed the Klingons personalities into SJW's then it would matter. If anything the new costumes make them look more warrior like.
Yeah at least Disney is respecting the canon established by Lucas and expanding it. Roddenberry's canon is now a shredded piece of garbage. Gene's son Rod should be ashamed of himself for allowing his Father's legacy to be changed by people who don't understand it. All while getting that Executive Producer credit. Star Trek is dead to me.
Pahricida ... well see there is a group of people called Jews, and they run the entertainment industry, and they don't like Christians or white heterosexual males who love their country, so they're doing everything they can to take a big shit and America's face.
There ARE NOT KLINGONS. 1)The makeup was completely redundant, offering no facial expression to the actors. 2)One of the most identifiable feature of Klingons is hair. 3)Expensive c.g.i and expensive makeup will not replace the spirit of Gene Roddenberry. To me, Star Trek Discovery is a good science fiction series. But NOT a Star Trek series.
This is just more evidence that Hollywood has run out of ideas and intelligence. New and edgy is just a cop-out for not having the ability to build on something. It started with the JJ Abrams teenager video games-like movie and just keeps getting worse.
Stop crying like little baby snowflakes. If you dont like the show STFU and move on. GET THE FUCK OVER IT. I hated star wars when disney took over. I think the movies are TRASH. You dont see me rioting in the streets and cry babying on you tube.
I hope so, but the last several Star Trek movies, while enjoyable, seemed to be trying to "show up" the other stories rather than expand and improve. They could well be another race. If that's the case they're not the victors, 'cause there aren't any of these guys left in the future.
+Glen Waldrop -- Oh my. You are right. STD must be a story of genocide. They said they want to make this different, and less altruistic, so they probably have a plot where the Federation helps in bringing about this genocide somehow. But one ship of them survives to escape and set out to the Delta quadrant to be the Klingon religious group that shows up in Voyager that one time.
P'Tagh! The redesign is so ridiculous, it's laughable! After over 35 years of the first change originally in TOS movies leading to TNG's Worf, then Voyager's B'Lanna, which that change originally for TOS movies was cool and expected and just what Roddenberry envisioned, it's asinine to change them so much that they look more like lizards with fish lips, without even the long, curly hair, much less no hair at all. So much for the hot-blooded Klingons! This show is being played pretty much only for Trekkies, hence only available on the paid CBS app, so why completely destroy something we have all come to know and love? Changing the Klingons to this degree has made EVERYONE angry! I'm so angry I'm speaking in run-on sentences! Yes, James MacLennan, "There... ARE... FOUR... lights!"
That's what they said in 1987. If only Gene would listen to the fans, they wouldn't bother with this awful awful remake that is just a betrayal of the original. The redesign of the ships, the redesign of the Klingons, it's all garbage.
Guys... Their colour is just war paint... Theyre naturally brown. If you listen to whats said klingons did not want an commonality with the federation. So them being naturally brown would have given them a relationship.
At least @@SmartAlx the agenda of Orville is nominal when compared with the COMPLETE UNLIKENESS of Discovery with ANYTHING Roddenberry would even call Star Trek. The WORST characters for a story I have ever seen. It is CLEAR that CBS HATES Star Trek and ALL TREKKIES! Everyone should band together to get that Star Trek hating CEO out of the picture or boycott CBS outright!
Honestly, the redesign of the Klingons themselves is bad enough... far worse is the outright redesign of their technology, the ships, the weapons and the sets. Klingons, timeline-wise before and after DISC, used to be utilitarian people, their tech designed to be useful or practical rather than attractive. Everything about these... *Klingots* is just so goddamn overdesigned, its ridiculous. Yes, I'm aware that they actually (re)introduced D7/K'tingas in the second season... which is blatant backpedaling, like their decision to give them hair all of a sudden. I'm willing to bet good money that this wasn't their intention originally, they just panicked after they realized that their redesign didn't fly.
This is a very poor decision. The original show simple alien shapes because first, it helped the budget. Second, it helped us empathize and sympathize with the other races, which was originally the point.
I hated how they redesigned the Klingons in Into Darkness just for the sake of it. This is far worse, they barely even resemble Klingons any more and shows no respect for established lore
They do loom more Reman and than Klingon. Its like the designers got the two mixed up and now one double checked the designs before all the prosthetic's were fabricated and only then realised their mistake and knew that scrapping them and starting again would not only cost more but delay filming so just said "Fuck it, we'll face the wrath of the fans head on." and went ahead.
Actually, remember TOS was cancelled after season 4 due to low ratings. Star Trek became popular like a decade after it died, then the explosion of movies and spinoffs. Also STNG was crap in year one and nobody expected it to last, then they canned one or two idiot producers and finished building the sets and built it up into something great. That last episode of TOS really was crazy with kirk and psycholady trading bodies, but it also seemed their first swing at having a woman captain even if it was kirk's mind. The psycholady in that episode exclaimed over the men's world of ship captains too. I like that they ignored that bit o lore and let the women into command in future episodes. Beverly in STNG might've been the first scene of human female ship captain I remember seeing in the series unless there was a guest star (maybe the lady from the enterprise C when Tasha Yar came back?) or you count romulan or Klingon captains I might be forgetting. Enterprise had a lady captain they placed on the timeline before Kirk's time. Enterprise was considered bad and cancelled in season 4, but I watched it on amazon years later and that season 4 was like all their season finales - it was pretty awesome. :) Season 3 with the Xindi was a neverending grind though; they could've skipped that. Anyway, I'll watch this for the fun of it and see if it dies in year 1 or 4 or 7. Most CBS shows I've seen of other genres have been quite good, so content to give this a chance and see if it grows on me. And remember JJ Abrams flushed all the lore down the toilet with those reboot movies. NFC what timeline this series is in, but seems like everything's up for grabs now anyway. With all the time travel and alternate universes in ALL of the series, it's a farking miracle the apes from planet of the apes don't run the earth now. :) "Lore? Where we're going, we don't need Lore?" *shoves garbage in the engine of his flying delorian and takes off!*
Fans: Let me see their Klingon identification. Paramount: You don't need to see their Klingon identification. Fans (resists): Yes, we do need to see their identification. Paramount: These aren't the Klingons you're looking for. Fans (finally agreeing): These aren't the Klingons we're looking for. Paramounti: You can go about Your business. Fas : We will go about our business elsewhere. Paramount: Move along. Fans (gives paramount what they obviously want): We will move along... move along. I know it's kinda blasphemy to use Star Wars quotes as humour on Star Trek but that is how far down this has sunk imo that I don't even care anymore to use blasphemy and Star Wars humour on Star Trek. I guess it all started with JJ Abrams really wanting to do Star Wars, so he intentinally ruined Star Trek with his abomination movies and acctually got his will to do Star Wars instead. Probably as a reward by Diosney for killing Star Trek. It has lead to this wannabe JJ Trek series. It's logical result of all that.
More like: Fans: Let me see their Klingon identification. Paramount: You don't need to see their Klingon identification. Fans: Yes, we do need to see their identification. Paramount: These aren't the Klingons you're looking for. Fans: These aren't Klingons. We're looking for Klingons. Go about your business. Move along. Move along
And he basically fucked star wars up, too. The man gave a TED talk on hiw good writing requires that you give the audience questions, but no answers, which is basically just an excuse he must haveade up in a meeting with a Lost producer when it became obviois that he couldn't write his way out of a wet paper bag. He basically just tossed a bunch of shit into the mix and walked away without giving the next guy any odea as to how to resolve the obvious issues he had created.
Not to get technical but Paramount has the rights to any Trek made under the Bad Robot license they acquired in order to make the rebooted Kelvin timeline Trek; while CBS retains the rights to any Prime timeline Trek. Discovery is made under the Bad Robot license that is why despite whatever CBS wants to say it cannot be Prime Trek, Legally. Midnights Edge did a good breakdown, th-cam.com/video/3I3y3_QmBsQ/w-d-xo.html
EXACTLY Nathaniel, the folks in follywood and new dork city think that Star Trek fans are fools dwelling in their grandmothers basements and are fool enough to buy anything they droll out, and it needs to be boycotted.
Doc Reasonable to some degree your right, even though (as in the case of the first movie) we didn't know it was crap until we had already seen it. At least with discovery, we can see enough after the first couple of episodes to know better.
My problem with the redesign of the Klingons is the make up is so dense it takes any signs of emotion away you cant tell if they are angry, sad etc... I know they are trying to move to an uterly alein look and feel, but for me it was the closeness to ourselves that made them so popular with fans. I think the makers have a major error in messing too much with one of our fav aliens.
Why make these things Klingons? If you're going to retrofit your universe continuity is important, or else... why bother? Take it into the future future and not the future past. These could have been an entirely different race that just fell off the radar later on and they'd make more sense.
they butchered axanar and other fan and cast projects for this? oh well at least we have orville, its sure as shit more star trek than this grimdark drek
I think the change in the Klingon appearance, is horrible. Another example of lazy story tellers, not having the courage to create THEIR OWN fiction series so, they “piggyback” on an already famous and established genre for guarantee viewership and to interject their own ideas for credit without expense of risk to their future prospects of franchise. It is nothing more than “grave robbing”!!! If it fails, they simply, make some corrections and start off with a new series while the future of current genre is damaged.
I could not wait to see this show. THEN I wound out that CBS was going charge us to watch is stream. You know...first couple to get your hooked, then pay out the behind? KEEP it. With MY cable bill, I doubt I'll add to it. I hoe that these fools will DISCOVER that when you screw with Star Trek fans, YOU pay in the end NOT us.
Even DR Who aliens try and stay as faithful as possible to how the characters looked in the classic series... Daleks and Cybermen are still as recognisable today as they were in the 60s....
Here's your explanation. Klingon is not a race, but an Empire. Individuals from a conquered planet, if they show bravery and are trained in the ways of Kahless can become a member of a Klingon House. Just as Jadzia/Kurzon was treated as a Klingon, so can entire races become "Klingon".
Eh. Personally, I don't much care about the design change. Honestly, I don't think it's the right move. If they wanted to go with some design like that, I would have just suggested bringing in a new alien species and expand on story about this new race. Often time, change comes with a lot of resistance. Now, i'm not going to rail on Voyager, Enterprise, or any of the movies. Yes, many of them had their flaws. Some more so than others. But most of them also had their awesome moments as well. So while I don't agree with the design change for the Klingons, I'm probably still generally going to enjoy the series.
Absolute click bait. There is nothing EXPLAINED in this video. Just compared.
reported for misleading title
I came for ANSWERS!
This lying P'Tok has no honor!
They shall write songs telling of his shame which will be sung across the galaxy.
Besides, this video is only lazy job...
The STD (yes, it's that bad, IMHO) Klingons exist before the 'cucaracha' Klingons Kirk dealt with (created with that visual because Gene had a feud with a latino neighbor) and Worf...
One logical explanation is that from the STD visual, Klingons went to a complete overhaul, getting a more 'human' visual (no ridges)... Later, ashamed of this betrayal to themselves, they changed 'back' and, although not being able to revert completely to their original look, they ended with a unique identifiable visual (Worf).
because there is no explanation other than Star Trek has been Hijacked.
So I guess I missed the part of the video where you actually “explained” the Klingon redesign. You know, like your title suggests? All you did was point out the obvious differences. This video is a waste of time.
Yra very crapy
Pretty much.
I want my 4 minutes back.
Agreed.
Kind of like the show itself & the whole redesign of the Klingons in the first place.
Do the ST: Discovery team not know that their main audience is a bunch of geeks and nerds who are super interested in lore, continuity, and precision?? The minute a ST producer forgets its audience, is the minute their show fails.
Joscelyne K It seriously looks like they are looking to find a new larger main stream audience. I don't think that includes the old timers who grew up with trek ... I'm gonna watch it anyway but man this looks so disappointing already.
The answer is that they don't care, they payed a market research company a lot of money and that's the design they pulled out of their asses... I mean "researched".
Star Trek is a niche franchise with a idiosyncratic vision, and idiosyncratic visions tend to bè effaced when making an IP more mainstream, even if its inescapable that the idiosyncratic vision Will Always remain the source of the IP's appeal. Star Wars was such a Successful trilogy despite its simplistic and manichean nature that It only benefitted from the various stories and deconstructions by talented authors Who injected complexity and ambiguity to the franchise through novels, cartoons and videogames(See KOTOR II by Chris Avellone for a very good example of this). But Star Trek it's not Star Wars, and making a pausterized and action packed version of Star Trek with no metaphors and less moral ambiguity, with the Klingons being regressed from Honorable boisterous bruisers to ugly purple space orcs, its One of the most fantastic examples of some authors missing the point that i've ever seen.
Joscelyne K - Speaking as a Star Trek "geek AND nerd" I feel I must...SECOND THAT EMOTION! ^^
My vocabulary just increased 291%
“Enterprise“ solved the problem of no brow ridges in “TOS“ and now “Discovery“ has completely destroyed the continuity. They’ll be no explaining this away.
Enterprise takes place before Discovery which takes place before TOS which takes place before TNG.
The Kalvin timeline splits before TOS.
@@somebodykares1 there would still NOT be an evolution this drastic !
@@AudiophileTommy The show has had its fair share of evolution / de-evolution plots so don't be going saying its not possible for such a dramatic change. The show is science fiction anyways and also this video was trying to explain it was genetic tampering.
Yes there is, Disco belongs to some alternate fiction universe and is not Canon. Sold, done, bin it, move on. It has made its bed with its wife Kathleen Kennedy.
@@AudiophileTommy Modern Humans have been around about 130,000 years and this is the only time that we have been a singular species. There have been at least 5 other species close enough to be cousins in that time period. Imagine AI and genetic engineering run wild, a species could become anything in a short period of time.
Thank you for EXPLAINING the obvious.. You didn't EXPLAIN anything. The title should be "Klingon redesign, the difference between TOS, TNG and Discovery explained for blind people."
Exactly. I cam hoping for a reason for the change, not a video pointing out the obvious differences. And this b.s. got over a million views?
The old Klingons didn't look great but these are worse. They already decided what Klingons look like, so they have to stick with it. I can understand minor improvements, but not a complete redesign.
I guess I don't really understand the point of this video. The title Klingon Redesign EXPLAINED. So I see that title and think you're going to talk about the decisions, the rationale behind the change. Maybe include behind the scenes comments or interviews with the show staff.
But you actually just described the physical changes... which we can all plainly see. There was nothing in this video that was the particularly interesting nor useful. There was no point to this.
...i cam here to say the same thing.
I agree with you Michael. I thought he would give an explanation of the background and etymology of the changes, but alas I guess he just wanted clicks on his video. In that it looks as if he succeeded!!
True. Perhaps redesign EXPLORED would be appropriate.
I think it is intended as an explanation for non-Trek fans. i.e. to those unfamiliar with Star Trek "this" is why some narrow-minded fans, who clearly forget that the Klingons have gone through many re-imaginings over the course of the franchise, are upset.
Jacques Lapeyre except that every other change (and there really has only been two: Ridges and hair to human looking and back to ridges and hair) has been explained through a very plausible explanation in STENT.
STD comes along and has absolutely no explanation and no one can come up with one. Unless STD is in the Kelvin (JJ Abrams) Universe!
The new Klingons from Discovery speak too slowly...as if they don't know their lines!
Constance McNamara Romanowski AND they move too slow. Warrior race that walks and talks in slow motion....blah.
That's because they made the makeup and suits to heavy there's a reason the Klingons are always Mongolian like in dress and makeup isn't to much to make it easier on the actors. If they changed Klingons so radically why not other races just turn andorians into blue versions the taalz from star wars they make more sense morphologically for ice planets than just blue humans with antenna.
Is it not so we have time to read the subtitles?
Personally, I find the new and redesigned Klingon look for "Star Trek: Discovery" to be a complete TURN-OFF for me. I am so fed up with the changes for the "Trek" franchise that I feel like shouting at it.
shut up
they look cooler than anything you can design
The changes aren't by choice. it's all due to licensing, they have a license to make a star trek show, but not rights to make main universe shows. bureaucracy at its finest.
+Adam Scott thats fucked,aaaaa klingons suck, why not give the Vulcens bunny ears, Rumulons donky ass ears, oh Star Fleet boyh genders skerts
Robert Polanco you are right it shouldn't have changed at all from the 60s! I. Sick of all this change. Gah. Change is hard to deal with because I don't know exactly what it will be like! Woman back as Yomans with short skirts please!!!!
Designer 1: Done
Designer 2: What's that?
Designer 1: A Klingon!
Designer 2: That doesn't look like a Klingon.
Designer 1: Well, we started out with a Klingon, threw some blue and black paint on it, shaved it, and then smashed it's face in with a shovle.
Designer 2: That's not a Klingon.
Designer 1: Yeah I know, but they said they wanted something new and edgy. Look, I'm not getting paid enough and this show is only to sell their subscription service. How long do you really think it's gonna last?
Designer 2: But that's not a Klingon.
Designer 1: Just say it is and defend the statement saying they are some genetic offshoot or evolutionary offshoot or something. I don't care, I'm too lazy to change them now. They are the new Klingons!
Designer 2: Yay.... new Klingons! I'm gonna go puke now, I think they are onto us. They know we aren't taking this seriously. The fans are going to crucify us for this.
i take this story as true.
Perhaps the real story will come out in a book called, How to Alienate a Massive Fan Base and Screw the Pooch on a Profitable Franchise.
Well played. Well played.
APJ1986, we were not supposed to talk about this outside of the design studio. You are going to get us caught.
Man I'm chopping the wood and getting out the nails. Looks like the creators of this show are gonna go the way of Jesus if they aren't careful.
They look like the vampires in skyrim.
Yup, Vampires is the main vibe I get from those, especially with those fantasy armors, overall looks and those coffins.
Maybe they're vampire Klingons. Let's hope they don't make them sparkly.
I'm glad someone said it.
I would personally say orcs more then vampires but I can see were your coming from
funny you should say that. i thought there armour looked like armour from a vampire count from Warhammer Fantasy
I'm a fan of Star Trek. This goes way back to the 1960's. Even then there was something about the Klingons that pulled me in. I love the Klingons. I was OK with the changes they gave them in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. By the time we got to Star Trek: TNG, the Klingons were quite established and accepted. These new so-called aliens are NOT Klingons. You can redesign the ships, Starfleet uniforms and even the special effects. But do not touch the well established aliens we have grown to know and love. This includes the Romulans.
If only the klingons that we grew up with, teamed up with the federation to go against these "new klingons"...and wouldn't it be even more amazing if Worf and Martok had the influence to make that happen ..cmon star trek discovery ....it's in your name...so let's 'discover' ? Don't forget the episode of DS9 where worf explains to the crew that traveled back in time with him, why the klingons changed in appearance from star trek TOS to TNG/DS9 ....too bad whoever posted this video didn't talk about that part...
They state that it was due to design and make up limiations of the 1990s.
@@WaveForceful You mean If the Specialeffekts are changing Smash everything in a trashcan and Take the Garage what comes out
This Klingons ist one of the Things why i don't Like with Discovery. Sporedrive Burn Klingonshape
As much as I truly hate the Klingon redesign, what really makes this show stand out from canon is all the damn holograms. They obviously wanted to make this show a sequel where they could easily explain all this high-tech stuff, but someone who didn't know/understand/care about Trek canon demanded it be a prequel to the original Star Trek. Right where it totally doesn't fit.
DAMMIT JIM, THOSE AREN'T KLINGONS!!!
and why would you said that? You've never been in space. You don't know how alien races look like. You are free to have your own opinion, but you are part of the problem.... you are one of the reasons we don't live in star trek. You are so enclosed, orthodox and locked into your own ass that you can't embrace the new that's coming.
That was one of the most unwarranted, judgmental, self-indulgent, ridiculous replies that I've ever seen on TH-cam. And that's saying something. A reply to what was clearly just a pun that he thought might be funny. A pun that may have reflected his own feelings on this subject, or what he felt the general sentiments of the video were. You have no idea what the intent was from that one simple pun. Yet you're going to try to rip his entire life apart to prove that he's not a special, non-judgmental, snowflake like you. You are, in fact, part of the problem. And don't bother responding to this because any response that you could muster, other than an apology to john doe, would make you look like even more of an idiot. Not to mention the fact that, I couldn't possibly care less about what someone like you has to say.
Knight Moritz
We don't live in Star Trek because, first, it's a TV show, but more importantly, second, according to the show's own canon, we should be living through the horrors of a post-nuclear war that started in 1997. Even then, the actual story of Star Trek won't start until 2063 when Zephram Cochrane makes his first Earth-based warp flight in April.
It's not because of purists, it's because we're living in the wrong timeline that Star Trek isn't reality today.
Dumbass.
thought it started in 2026?
They are named Qlingons from crunos and their weapon of choice is macbeth (don't ask how that works)
I think it looks bad, i liked TNG/DS9 Klingons.
They looked like the same species and culture every time too!
Well little nigga, these klingons are more anatomically correct. A small budget for TNG/DS9 left the production team with only the ability to plaster a forehead on klingons. The Discovery Klingons have whole body suits that resemble non human skin. Ds9 and TNG wish they had the budget to do these things.
You seem to be missing a very important part of story telling.Consistency. Sticking to your story.
those klingons go back to tos movies too so its a real shitstorm
D Ray -- Lol. So you checked to make sure they were anatomically correct??
Orcs. Those are orcs.
David Thrush goddamn space Uruks
Klingons were always the orcs of Star Trek. Vuclans were the elves.
Really really really boring elves...
Dalton Schnieder ehhh, Klinglons=Orcs yeah.. kind of... but Vulcans+elves yeah.. no
Let's see: Klingons = Similar to humans but more "primitive" in appearance, warlike, horrible attitudes...sounds like orcs to me. Vulcans = Pointy ears, feels superior to humans and just about every one else, smug......sounds like elves to me. Then you got Tellarites who come off very much as dwarves.
The Klingon redesign was one of the reasons I stopped watching Discovery.... It was completely unnecessary....which is kind of how I feel about the entire series...
I think they probably did it because in canon the Klingons would have looked like the ones from tos after the Star Trek enterprise retcon.
#NotMyKlingons!!!!!!!
the #notmy_____ hashtags have been around way longer than the election though haven't they?
And even if it IS a reference to a political hashtag, the meme has been so far separated from it's origin that it's not really any kind of political statement worth taking a stand over. :\
Make Klingons great again
"Klingon Redesign EXPLAINED"... Not sure simply talking about how the redesign looks/compares constitutes as explaining the redesign...
I missed the "explanation" part... must be in the "reboot" of this video
They were designed by the Pakleds, "we are smart." No you're not!
Whatever the hell those things are they're not Klingons
theyre klingons get over it
Jim Bones No sir. They are NOT Klingons !
Theyre not your grandmas klingons, but theyre klingons and they look cool as hell! stop crying about how you want an alien race to look human becasue thats what you grew up with when they had no makeup and prosthetic skills. Idiots.
boo hoo muh klingons... i bet youre one of those nerd that even learned the klingon language
but in realilty Id whoop your crybaby ass in a bathleth battle. Ill take all your honor and shit on your forehead so you can look like the old klingon
Basically the director look at the Klingons and said " these things aren't alien enough, the hell with the fanbase I want them to be more alien" so now we have Abominations
Hey, you know that thing we're all cool with? well, we're gonna fuck with it.
Why?...uhhh we were bored.
let's make 'em look like the jeepers creepers guy.
i do if i'm sleep deprived and it's about 3am
Ha ha!!
yes-and next time we make them more look like dinosaurier like t rex from fucking jurassic klingon park
They should have invaded the planet Rogaine while they still had some hair.
Rogaine was the name of Kethas epetai-Khemara's consort.
These designers have no honor. Who is the PetaQ who came up with this redesign?
hopefully slowing roasting over a qul.
Clickbait much? How exactly is it 'EXPLAINED'?
You just listed all the changes without any explanation at all (with few speculations at most).
'CJ explores and explains one of the most controversial aspects of the new show: the redesign of the Klingons!'
Yeah... no.
I was hoping for some insight, maybe info from creators of the show as to WHY they decided to make these changes. Useless video.
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Hey the humans are so passe now, why not redesign them too?
Vulcans should have been redesigned.
What always irritated me about Worfs Little 'Klingon Facts' is that they are plain wrong sometimes.
Very weird, right?
Like for example "Klingons do not laugh". Where the heck does he get that from? We havent even seen one little, i don't know 'Tribe' that has a Culture of never laughing, or something like that! Nothing!
Klingons do not laugh is just simply wrong in all ways of perception.
Just an Example though.
What always irritated me about Worfs Little 'Klingon Facts' is that they are plain wrong sometimes.
Very weird, right?
Like for example "Klingons do not laugh". Where the heck does he get that from? We havent even seen one little, i don't know 'Tribe' that has a Culture of never laughing, or something like that! Nothing!
Klingons do not laugh is just simply wrong in all ways of perception.
Just an Example though.
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I am no star trek expert, I was confused because of that as well when I saw the episode were Riker is on the kligon ship in season 2 I believe. Through word you get the expression that klingons are a lot more diffrent from humans than they actually are Worf just happens to have a lack of humor etc. I explain it to myself that his behaviour is a consequence of him not actually being raised by Klingons. He maybe doesnt know all that much about kligon culture in practise maybe it appeared to him that having no honor is a klingon thing because it was something he got from books or simply said so to feel like he belongs somewhere. Or he just follows the rules and standards of Klingon society a lot more than the modern klingons. Idk that are just my explanations I feel like it's kinda hard to tell with him as he is the only Klingon we really see in action all the time.
@@slevinchannel7589 I always took those as things Worf sometimes makes up in order to not have to smile XD
Should have tweaked the look, not a complete redesign.
It isn't a complete redesign, have you watched the video? It's just the features of Klingons taken to the extreme, with the exception of hair.
They've also changed the way they act, speak and how they treat their dead.
They made a new race and culture and called them Klingon
@@dantheultimate2497 it redesign idiot. Skin tones don't magically morph to be purple either
@@dantheultimate2497 I'm not sure what you are looking at but that is a utter and complete redesign. I would not have even thought they were Klingons if I hadn't seen this video. I would have thought just some other Alien humanoid. They look NOTHING like a Klingon.
This didn't explain anything. All you did was describe what we can already see with our own eyes.
THUMBS DOWN. You didn't "explain" the redesign. You just told us what we already knew (from photos: they have new faces and uniforms). Giant waste of my time
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described (with some detail) would be a more appropriate word choice.
could be that those are pure klingon without that genetic s*it that happen in one of their colonys
Well then it fits with STD as the entire show is a huge waste of time and money
The redesign is it is so heavy it hinders the actor's ability to show basic facial expressions. Which becomes more pronounced when you compare Shazad Latif's portrayals of Voq and Tyler. There is almost nothing left of the human face for him to convey any emotion in Voq.
The actors do a pretty good job using body language to convey their character's mood but some of that is lost in face to face encounters.
The real reason why the Klingons look different is a licensing issue between Paramount and CBS. Paramount is creating the series but they can't use anything that resembles the TV shows since CBS has the rights to that. So you're basically getting a reboot of the prime timeline, that's why the Discovery ship, the Klingons, and the uniforms look different. There's a great video by Midnight's Edge on their TH-cam channel that explains it more thoroughly and why Discovery is such a mess.
But the TNG klingon look (actually the klingon movie look) was in Star Trek 1, 3 and 5 as well 6. Paramount should have the rights to that right?
+ SuperG50 Zero
If they're gonna do that, why bother?? If they cannot use the designs in TOS and TNG due to copyright issues, then they should just have called it a reboot or a reimagined Trek universe and NOT have associated it with the prime timeline.
The vulcans are still the same though.
Doesn't Viacom own both CBS and Paramount ?
I saw that video and thank you for bringing it up.
It is the biggest insult to every fan of the Klingons, I will never watch this piece of crap relaunch.
bring out thr dogs of war
don't watch it. You're not gonna get another kirk and another tos. this is what you're gonna get, either you're going to accept it or you're going to be regressed all your life. exactly the opposite of wonderful idea behind a crappy show.
Knight Moritz I am not a TOS fan, don't like Kirk, I am a TNG and DS9 fan and Klingon's are iconic in appearance these Klingon's look ridiculous and it changes everything the ship even looks stupid.
Knight Moritz Fuck that. CBS and Paramount don't own me. I will watch what ever the Fuck I want. If they can't make a show that I like in the settings l enjoy then I won't watch it. SO fuck CBS.
And for the record If the show bombs, CBS will still make Star Trek. It make a few years before some over in CBS gets it through their thick skulls to not piss off the fans and give them what they want.
The ship's look is actually a RODDENBERRY design from 1976. The Discovery is taking Gene's original drawings and using them
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Ok so you didn't explain shit
So you don't like the video, that's fair. No reason to cuss.
I can explain it for you. Black people. Thats it. Old klingons were all black people with stuff on their foreheads. And, because Hollywood had gone full SJW (the writers of this show even modeled the klingons after trump supporters), having klingons resemble black people, even thought they... ya know... aren't... is something that had to be changed. This show is going to tank harder than any other star trek have ever tanked. Worse than enterprise. Because as loud and fucking annoying as the screeching autistic left is, they are NOT sci-fi nerds. They drink craft beer and think vinyl records sound good for some reason. They aren't going to watch this. And completely fucking with the show to make them happy is going to completely alienate (no pun intended) ACTUAL trek fans that would have been the die hard fan base. And it keeps happening. Over and over and over. It's social engineering and fans hate it.
ATADEMO 100% agree
ATADEMO
just what the fuck does preference in beer and records have to do with political views or Star Trek?
Yeah, was about to comment and say this video explained NOTHING... shouldn't have titled it as "explained"
I guess someone now needs to do a video explaining your understanding of the word explain.
"To a Klingon, a beard is a symbol of courage."
- Worf, son of Mogh
I guess these must all be cowards then. :)
This is not just about hair, it's about whole look. They suppose to value tradition yet they change more than chameleon driving trough Vegas.
"ououo uouoiou ououuo oiouou rououour ouououuouou."
- Chewbacca, a Wookie
They must be, these Klingoffs have no honour.
I agree with you, the beard symbolized the courage and masculinity of a warrior. I believe the Star Trek Generation Klingon stayed true to the origins of the original Star Trek Klingon race. There has to be some type of difference to distinguish a male from a female other than the bosoms.
"I was just telling my colleague Mr. Seti how thick and luxuriant Klingon hair is..."
Mot, - bolian barber of Worf
Sorry, but these new Klingons look like crap.
Space Prunes!
I agree, they look like talking turds.
Sovereign knight
The redesign is crap. This is supposed to be only 10 years before Kirk and the Enterprise go on their 5 year journey. Whoever made the decision to do this major design change royally fucked up.
the Enterprise is suposedly out there flying with captain Pike at this point..and in TOS Klingons had normal human faces and smooth foreheads.. wich was explained in Enterprise as an augment virus gone wrong wich left Klingons looking like humans for nearly a century until a cure was found arround TOS was over.
Those Klingons are derivated from the JJ universe ones.. a total fuck up
I never liked the Enterprise explanation either. Originally the Klingons were said to genetically modify small batches of their own as scouts when meeting other races. Thus Klingons scouting human space looked more human and those in Romulan space looked more Romulan. This policy was phased out by the end of TOS and by TGN its just a dark dishonorable chapter of Klingon history.
*20 year mission
Discovery is not from the same dimension/ universe as the original star trek which now seems obvious from the last episode
BRUCE E FERRY, true. I wonder how they would explain the situation with Archer's meeting the Klingon that lost the ridges due to that disease interacting with the destabilized klingon augmented DNA, with Kirk seing the old-style Klingons in TOS and the cured Klingons in Search for Spock, it's curious how losing the ridges in Enterprise time period suddenly made super ridges pop up 10 years before start of the original series and disappear again until the Search for Spock...
Thank God I never had to suffer through this crap. I love Star Trek, my dad and I would always go to the movies together to watch all of the movies. We'd watch TNG, DS9, and Voyager when they were on TV, and we always had such a great time together. His favorites were The Wrath of Khan and First Contact. I never saw the original Star Trek episode with Khan and one day he took off from work and pulled me out of school so we could both watch the rerun of the original "Space Seed" episode. He found out that it was gonna be on TV from the TV guide and decided to surprise me, much to my mother's annoyance.
We both loved the Klingons and how they went from adversaries to friends in TNG, with Worf serving as an officer on the Enterprise. So the thought of Discovery changing everything that we knew about them just felt wrong and I didn't want any part of it.
Sadly my dad passed on before Enterprise and Nemesis. I remember thinking that he would've loved Enterprise, especially with the frozen Borg. I also remember thinking that I was glad that he didn't have to watch the sad way Enterprise ended or suffer through Nemesis.
That's why I can't get into these new shows like Discovery or Picard. They just feel wrong, maybe it's because Gene Roddenberry passed on and there isn't anyone left to look after his vision of the characters. IDK, all I do know is that this crap ain't Star Trek and I don't want anything to do with it!
Roddenberry died during the next generation his vision was upheld at least up to deep space 9 with reworking of the ferengi being very well done compared to tngs ferengi. I cant speak for voyager or the one with scott bakula because neither are as good but i agree 💯percent discovery looks like crap
Eugene roddenberry is looking after discovery and picard. His son. So...
@@seanraines5871 so what? and not really they pay him so they can put a "roddenbury" name on stuff.... he in no way has creative control of discovery like his dad did with Star Trek..... also he's not even proven himself to make any decent shows he's just riding on his dads reputation
star trek is not a monarchy
i think season 2 of picard might be a worth a go... but yeah discovery just was garbage for me
Next Gen was a lot more interlectual and about the actual story not all the actions and stuff, Picard is more like this than discovery
@@DarkShroom yet it's the same people behind both. I knew majel roddenberry brought things out that gene roddenberry had wanted to do like andromeda so I figured eugene was doing his part
I really want to like discovery - I've tried to keep an open mind - but I swear with each new change I hear about, my expectations and hopes die a little bit more.
Don't bash too much, this show may actually bring insight to the diehard fan's questions about Klingon Augment Virus KAV --This has been needed for a very long time.
Kyle Oakeson they gave a pretty good explaination in an episode of ST Enterprise, in my personal opinion.
CBS is trying too hard to make it appeal to a wider audience and in doing so they're alienating the fans of Star Trek. The fans are always the vanguard that bring in new viewers of a franchise. It's the fans that control how a show is perceived. Subtle changes could be made and include vastly superior sets and effects. But no, it looks like they're using the name Star Trek on something that's not Star Trek at all. They will have neither fans and new viewers in significant quantities.I hope I'm wrong but it's not looking good.
Kat Tootle Wow you sound exactly like those old geezers from 1987 when they pretty much said the exact same thing about star trek the next generation.
Yes that's right I said it, when star trek the next generation was about to make its debut on the air, a lot of these old geezers at that time period were complaining saying that's not exactly like the original star trek series from the 1960's that they've known and grown up with and fell in love with.
It's just so weird and odd that history is always repeating itself over and over again, and not being open minded to change.
But eventually within the final analysis, the old folks finally came around to it and accepted star trek the next generation as its own thing and finally became open minded and grew to love it eventually.
😅 if discovery turns out to be awesome (as I genuinely hope it will be) I will very happily eat my words.
The only explanation is that the producers / directors of discovery have never watched Star Trek.
And whoever made this video doesn't know the meaning of the word "explain"
Ohhhh, I know!
*WHY* do these producers keep making stuff that *completely betrays* what the fans WANT ??
*Creative suicide* ... !
I'm pretty sure they never watched star trek by the plot
Gerard Whittaker, its change for the sake of change. Disney has done the same thing with Star Wars. I have not watched any of Discovery, and most likely will not. The change of the Klingons is but one reason. Another is i wont pay above and beyond what i already do to my satalite and internet provider just to see a show. Call me old fashioned. LOL
Guys do your research. This is how Klingons originally looked before the events in Star Trek Enterprise. There is a 2 part episode. Season 4 episode 15
Star Trek Discovery: "OH HEY! Look at this wonderful cannon. *Throws it in the dumpster."
They could have done just the opposite...make a series about the time-traveling faction of the federation from the distant future that was featured in Voyager. That would have been a totally different kind of show.
That's an interesting idea. I think a movie about it would be awesome.
Since that canon is now cannon and was used to kill off the borg, it's probably right.
honestly those guys, and the fact that their genesis is pretty much the end of voyager, are the reason we haven't gone post-voyager yet. Once you have time travel you can use however you want, conflict is kind of dead in the water. As it is, a lot of people who oversimplify the risk in the slingshot technique still bitch to this day about why didn't kirk just go back in time for this plot or that plot..
no, they wrote themselves into a corner. as neat as it would be, post-voyager just wouldn't work anymore. Plus it was all wrapped up so neat and tidy. The dominion war kind of finished off each story's race, peace was kind of perpetual, and even the galaxy-spanning threat of the borg have become easy to fight off by the end... so there was really nowhere to go
That said, I still would have gone with, er, Captain Frasier's era. You get your retro appeal but you can still use that just-barely-pre-TNG tech. have your primitive holodecks that don't do much yet. have your wars with the romulans and your skirmishes with the klingons. I dunno honestly there's not much they can do period that is going to be satisfying. Star Trek doesn't need more entries in the franchise. What we need is a new franchise made in the SPIRIT of star trek, with the same old kind of thoughtfulness and adventure, but without the canon baggage.
instead we got The Orville, and even that sounds better than this.
They did not just change the physical characteristics of the the Klingons, they changed their culture as well. In Discovery they had the Klingons eat cooked meet. In TNG Kurn thought the cooked turkey was left in the sun too long. Remember the Klingon eat Gagh which is live worms. They messed up the vulcans too, in the scene where Sarek's assistant kills himself his blood is shown as red as the light goes thought his skin.
Cooked meet= Klingon Chili Contest
When Worf had spinal surgery he had ridges all the way down his spine, just saying.
Groovy Guru That was a good episode
The genitronic scanner
The Klingon Death Rite
His importance to the crew and bonds he forged with them
And medical ethics
Where's the explanation???
It's a different canon entirely.
I thought Discovery was the same canon as the New Movies with JJ. but there might be 3 canons going on now, not sure. (excluding comics n video games, cause those don't really truely count anyways.)
In other words, it's not really "Star Trek". It's its own Sci-Fi universe with a sloppy "Star Trek" veneer. They should have got someone else to produce it and did their own thing, like Orville did.
rpgspree couldn't agree more
Explained in Discovery DS9 made it a joke
They have taken "redesign" to a different level. They are not recognizably Klingon. Their ships do not look anything like what we know as Klingon ships. Where's my K't'inga? They look like a completely different race, and they don't even SOUND Klingon anymore. (And they also mispronounce 'Kahless', which was always said "Kay-less")
yeah they look like stupid
Kent Goertzen I would not have recognized them if it weren’t for the caption. They DO NOT look recognizably Klingon. The uniforms look awful, the lack of hair and facial hair. And they way they act is not like even the first Klingons we ever saw. No, just no.
I've been keeping my mouth shut throughout all this but yeah, I thought they were some sort of weird looking Xindi too. Here's hoping this new series bombs big and the powers that be tell the SJW's to go sit on a photon torpedo.
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@Kent Goertzen : When I watched episode 1, I had *no clue* that the alien ship Cmdr. Burnham found or the alien she faced was Klingon until we saw the Klingon insignia and the computer voice identify it as Klingon. And I can say this because I never watched any of the trailers or read any of the reviews beforehand. Anyway, I could not name one thing about the way these so-called "Klingons" looked or behaved that I would identify as Klingon. Rather, they look and act like a completely different species.
Cause they suck at doing star trek and star wars these days
I'll be amazed if this turd sandwich lasts even one season.
RIP Trek.
Bad reactions during production is why we didn't even get Generals II. Give it chance, guys
I overlooked a lot of the crap I was hearing about this new series, figuring I'd give them a chance. Then they rolled out these reboot "Klingons". What's next? Vulcans with tentacles? You can watch this crap if you want. I'm done.
Seriously, if they wanted to break out a brand-new, shiny set of alien masks for their new show, all they had to do was INVENT A NEW RACE. Instead they choose to piss in our collective cheerios.
"pissing on our collective Cheerios" is my new favourite phrase, thank you for making my day. Also anyone who likes Trek and Who is awesome.
I think this, and a lot of what's been happening to Doctor Who, is more the result of Science Fiction becoming mainstream than anything else.
That's certainly part of it, I agree. But it's also the same BS that's happened to the Hugo awards - political correctness and the SJWs ruin everything they touch. Once you've got politics trumping plot, your storylines go to shit.
Their teeth are different too. They look cool, but why redesign Klingons at all? Just make a new race of aliens, with an entirely new culture. Oh right, too much work, not enough imagination. The problem with the new Trek spin-offs is they go backwards, not forward in the timeline. If they went forward, they don't need any canon. Let's see humanity 200 years after TNG; Transwarp drive. Phasic cloaks. Interdimensional travel. Humans splicing DNA from animals into their genome to have leopard print skin or horns from ram DNA - use your imagination. Space suits that are an energy shield, 1 mm thick and form tightly around the body. Tech so amazing it seems like magic. Speak with real scientists and ask them what could be achieved with an infinite power source so small you could hold it in your hand. With all the advances in physics, biology etc., this is the best the the creators can do? Lame
Chill Bluewood facts
To be fair, all sci-fi authors from back in the day greatly underestimated the scale of the progress a space-faring civilization will make. It's just a campy TV show. They can't re-write the original setting. This is just costume creep. Star Trek has always reflected the time it's written in more than a plausible future.
Totally agree
This might be very cool to look at, but it doesn't make for a very interesting TV show (at least for a lot of people). You can even see this with existing tech like the Transporter. They always have to write in some bogus reason why they can't use a transporter in the situation, because if they could, the episode would be finished. The further they advance in time, the more "magical" the tech is, it becomes increasingly hard to write interesting plot. That's why I think they also went backwards with ENT. Not because they lack imagination for cool stuff.
I think they called them Klingons to keep the old fans interested.
About post-TNG time: almost impossible. At the end (and also at the end of Voyager) such extreme technology had been invented that the Federation basically would be unbeatable, or it would basically be impossible to write good stories around it all and keep some sort of balance.
I hate everything about the new "Klingons", bit the most galling thing is the fact that they invented a sister for Spock. Spock never had a sister, or half sister, but what he did have was a half brother. So is she meant to be his sister? If yes, then they have to reference Sybok, they have no choice. That said, I wont be watching this.
this is a masive bowl of hot Steaming shit
TheCrazyFereldan they will explain this continuity thing
They look different, the armour is different, and the technology is different. They are not Klingons, and the people in charge should have just created a new race instead of bastardizing a pre existing one.
I forgot about Sybok. Maybe he was transspecies & transgendered?
She's supposed to be Spock's step sister. Which is still fucking stupid.
When watching videos on the “new” Klingon design, people tend to always refer back to The Next Generation Klingons, but that look goes back to The Motion Picture and the movies that followed afterwards.
I think, that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. There was nothing wrong with the TNG Klingons. There was no need for any redesign. It's things like this that drive me further away rather than pull me towards a new Star Trek series.
its sjw and pc culture. klingons were brown bad guys so its racist. fuck sjw
I had the same thought - wasn't quite happy with the new klingons, but the show is still good and they grow on you (maybe not as klingons anyway ;)). I'm kinda surprised by this show. Some things i did not like or still don't like (Klingons were strange but are now ok, spore drive is just terrible powerfull tech, i hate it - it's like beaming from earth to Qo'noS) still this show is good. I like the new captain a lot. Burnham is getting better and the story is interesting. Though i hope it will be successfull - because i wanna see more of it by now.
@emoAnarchist - bollocks mate. The new Klingons are caricature Africans. Try again.
Skiamakhos prove it, the new Klingons are clearly based on, and mocking, trump supporters.
Those are supposed to be Klingons?
"You must think me a fool to make your lies so transparent!"
Unfortunately, they are Klingons.
Let's be honest. The old Klingons looked like humans in bad cosplay. It was too "transparent" that they were just in makeup.
I agree with sapien. I really like these new klingons. I thought the old ones looked way too much like humans, like most star trek races.
I think it was In a ST:TNG episode where explained why many of the races on the galaxy shares this look-a-like: we all came from a common genetic pool and each evolved on different paths.
yeah, but if you´d seen the one TNG episode, it is all explained...they all have the same root, every single race in the milky way...right down to the DNA
I was worried I'd be missing out on a new Trek series, Now I feel better, I have no interet in seeing this any longer. How could they screw up such a well-defined, important race as the Klingons?
Cranzzst Jones Because that don't care...
Cranzzst Jones No one will miss you
Cranzzst Jones It's like putting lipstick on a picture of Abraham Lincoln
The Non Fans don't get that
Those are not Klingons.
Those are Klingoffs.
You talked about all the changes but not why they did this. In Enterprise they explained why the Klingons lost their ridges due to the augment virus. This is why the Klingos do not have ridges in TOS. ENT and TOS has the klingon story well explained....and all of a sudden a series that goes between them in the timeline has them looking completely different. So now they have to explain normal klingons, to lost ridges, to whatever these things are, to lost ridges, back to normal klignons. Seems like they are catering to the JJ Abrams crowd rather than the Star Trek faithful. Bad move. Oh, and if one Discovery shuttle sounds like a pod racer, am doing to drop kick my TV and send the bill to CBS.
Overall, I liked the explanation that John Ford created for the 'Klingons' supplement to FASA's Star Trek RPG -- that the Klingons created genetic fusions with both humans and Romulans, and these were the two 'races' of Klingons we saw in TOS, with the unmodified Imperial Race being what we saw beginning with the first movie.
dopeintegra83 I'm with you. How will they explain this? One of their scientists got carried away trying to change them back and they had to reintroduce the virus into their systems to save them? Or, if they had just let things go naturally, they'd be fine?
They shouldn't have changed the Klingons like that, but made them somewhere in-between as a link to TOS.
When I was at the Dragoncon Parade, I saw about 200 Star Wars fans in it. There were 2 classic NG Klingons, about 30 NG uniforms, about 5 from the original cast films, 0 new film or series uniforms, and 0 new Klingons. So, it seems catering to the "new fans" is fruitless. Fans make or break a series. And CBS fired the fans who were making STD. So happy they ended up on The Orville.
Actually it can be easily explained if optimistic Trek ever returns: the current iteration of Trek is so bad that it is not cannon. At least that's how I see it. Trek ended with Enterprise back in the 2000s.
And the show is officially fucked
BlueVestMonkey Agreed!
I'm hoping this is just a particular strain of klingons who are in power during this time of Star Trek's time line.
You are so right it isn't funny. This show as been a mess since day one.
I've said it before, the first images we got of these new klingons I found interesting (in a bad way). They seemed to have brown skin (google it for yourself). They had inhumanly wide noses, and seemed to have thick lips.....
As a black man myself, the almost stereotypical resemblance to my ethnicity seemed strange, didn't anybody stop and think how this might look on screen?
Now this bit says they are jet black (which is still nearly possible, Djimon Hounsou aside ^_^) and near purple, something I did not see in the initial images.
I'll still give the first episode a watch since its for free, but unless it really knocks my socks off I won't be paying to watch any more of the series.
BlueVestMonkey I get that these Klingons are probably just a different race of Klingons (like how us Humans have White, Black, Asian, Maori, Arab, etc people) or this generation of Klingons are still slightly deformed by the Klingon Augment virus (as explained in Star Trek: Enterprise) but I don't get why they have to look too different from either the TNG era or TOS era Klingons.
Purple Klingons without hair?
The world has gone mad.
I used to have a thinkg for Klingon women. This destroys evereything :(
This is them trying to trick normies into thinking there are more than 2 genders.
They're the sugar plump fairies of the Klingon world
+3 years later, if you have not gotten an explanation yet, the makers of the show do not care about it fitting into continuity or making any sense, they think of you as suckers and guaranteed views....
As far as I'm concerned, they are NOT Klingons. They don't look like Klingons, they don't act like Klingons, they don't dress like Klingons, and their cultural ideas are a complete departure from what was established about the Klingons in previous Star Trek works (especially the movies and The Next Generation, the latter which fleshed out Klingon culture the most). I can accept them as possibly being an evolutionary offshoot, but they are definitely NOT Klingons to me.
They even speak Klingon haltingly & with a weird accent, like it's not their first language.
I totally agree! It’s not just that they don’t look like klingons, but there’s no similarities at all, in any way.
We can accept Romulans having been Vulcan, there was a way to achieve an explanation for the differences. I don't know why they insist on calling them Klingon.
Masterge77 I agree with everything you said apart from TNG fleshing them out the most. DS9 certainly did more to establish their species and culture.
the changes make them seem more real imo
The Next Gen Klingons will always look the Best, and CBS is screwing the fans over by making this an all access pay site, at least put it on NETFLIX which by the way everybody has, who the hell has CBS All Access?, nobody.
Too many subscription services! I'm maxed out at two. I won't get HBO Go but I can kind of understand it. CBS?!? Nope.
+Robert Holmes
What about DS9 Klingons?
Thai's the same thing that type of Klingon evolved from Star Trek the motion picture and Star Trek 3 the Search for Spock and they stuck with this template all this time until this new show Discovery which is by the way before Kirk but after Enterprise with all of this future tech?, they screwed up the Canon timeline and went with the Kelvin timeline which I am not a huge fan of, if its not broken don't fix it.
I had to ditch my Netflix for Crunchyroll. Just paying for the internet is almost too much for me.
You couldn't fuck up Star Trek more if you intentionally set out to do so. I'm not even going to watch the first free episode now. I just don't give a shit.
rogermurph101 I'll pirate it till it dies.
I'm definitely watching it. Star Trek has always been about the story, not about what the Klingons looked like.
Awww you poor thing
Even though the look of the Klingons has changed over the years their mannerisms and character as a warrior race with a big serving of martial pride was set by their first appearance.
first jar jar abrams fucks the movies
then paramount kills axanar
and now these fucking assholes kill the series.....
sigh, if i just had the money to buy startrek from paramount and cbs, i would get it back on track......
They could have just said the first season took place in the Mirror Universe, which would have been a great move because it would have allowed them to redesign the show a little and unite the fans, but they burnt that bridge...
Any chance they can make a star trek film or series and stop FUCKING ABOUT WITH THE DESIGN OF SHIPS OR ALIENS!
just rerun tng already and fuck off
Agreed urs Myers. The producers, writers, designers, etc. don't realize that they will never turn Trek into a mass appeal behemoth like Star Wars, which isn't really science fiction but a science fantasy/space opera. Star Trek has always had a niche appeal to science fiction fans, nerds, geeks, technophiles, and people of higher IQs/intellects. In their quest to make more of the Almighty Dollar (an obsessive endeavor which has faded from human behavioral patterns by the time of Star Trek and its various iterations, by the way) they are alienating much of the core of the Trek fanbase.
Man I'm mostly a Star Wars dude but I feel for you Trekkies wtf are they doing ?!
But why do you actually care? it's just asthetics, obviously if they changed the Klingons personalities into SJW's then it would matter. If anything the new costumes make them look more warrior like.
Yeah at least Disney is respecting the canon established by Lucas and expanding it. Roddenberry's canon is now a shredded piece of garbage. Gene's son Rod should be ashamed of himself for allowing his Father's legacy to be changed by people who don't understand it. All while getting that Executive Producer credit. Star Trek is dead to me.
Leeroy 808 if you don't get it now, you never will. P.S. fuck you
Pahricida ... well see there is a group of people called Jews, and they run the entertainment industry, and they don't like Christians or white heterosexual males who love their country, so they're doing everything they can to take a big shit and America's face.
Pahricida LOL DISNEY WARS NOW!
C'mon CBS! Since when to all the Klingons look like burn victims?
There ARE NOT KLINGONS.
1)The makeup was completely redundant, offering no facial expression to the actors.
2)One of the most identifiable feature of Klingons is hair.
3)Expensive c.g.i and expensive makeup will not replace the spirit of Gene Roddenberry. To me, Star Trek Discovery is a good science fiction series. But NOT a Star Trek series.
This is just more evidence that Hollywood has run out of ideas and intelligence. New and edgy is just a cop-out for not having the ability to build on something. It started with the JJ Abrams teenager video games-like movie and just keeps getting worse.
Right on!
Stop crying like little baby snowflakes. If you dont like the show STFU and move on. GET THE FUCK OVER IT. I hated star wars when disney took over. I think the movies are TRASH. You dont see me rioting in the streets and cry babying on you tube.
They're just changing it for the sake of change, ignoring the Klingon history and future.
Not impressed.
I think you'll find they are an ancient race of Klingon not yet seen in the other TV shows. Different races is already cannon.
I hope so, but the last several Star Trek movies, while enjoyable, seemed to be trying to "show up" the other stories rather than expand and improve.
They could well be another race. If that's the case they're not the victors, 'cause there aren't any of these guys left in the future.
An ancient race of Klingons...yes that might salvage this. But it's a stretch.
+Glen Waldrop -- Oh my. You are right. STD must be a story of genocide. They said they want to make this different, and less altruistic, so they probably have a plot where the Federation helps in bringing about this genocide somehow. But one ship of them survives to escape and set out to the Delta quadrant to be the Klingon religious group that shows up in Voyager that one time.
czdaniel1
STD ... ROTFLMAO.
it is a great acronym for this series..
Star Trek Discovery = Socially Transmitted Disease
Discovery is doomed. It will make less than 40 episodes.
Which means more Seasons than Archer. These seasons will not have 22 episodes.
it will have 13 episodes tops.
Don't care. Discovery isn't Star Trek. I think Gene Roddenberry would be disappointed
I kinda hate the redesign - I mean, it's completely forgettabeble and looks like any modern day movie alien. Disappointing :(
So this show is officially a NOPE.
Super HATE This whole mess.
But you'll still watch it.
Rory Payton no i really wont. It honestly looks bad.
So you're complaining about a show you're not going to watch? Nice one...
Rory Payton no im not complaining im saying im not interested. Im allowed to do that.
The House of Mogh is not amused. quvHa'ghach qem SoH wo'vaD
well spoken^^
Indeed.
These changes suck IMMENSELY. This is essentially a giant middle finger to all Klingon fans previous to Discovery. SHAME on the creators.
Awful idea, wtf. New design is revolting.
it's revolting.....data quote?
P'Tagh! The redesign is so ridiculous, it's laughable! After over 35 years of the first change originally in TOS movies leading to TNG's Worf, then Voyager's B'Lanna, which that change originally for TOS movies was cool and expected and just what Roddenberry envisioned, it's asinine to change them so much that they look more like lizards with fish lips, without even the long, curly hair, much less no hair at all. So much for the hot-blooded Klingons! This show is being played pretty much only for Trekkies, hence only available on the paid CBS app, so why completely destroy something we have all come to know and love? Changing the Klingons to this degree has made EVERYONE angry! I'm so angry I'm speaking in run-on sentences! Yes, James MacLennan, "There... ARE... FOUR... lights!"
That's what they said in 1987. If only Gene would listen to the fans, they wouldn't bother with this awful awful remake that is just a betrayal of the original. The redesign of the ships, the redesign of the Klingons, it's all garbage.
To be fair, Voyager's B'elanna is half human.....
They need to stop ruining my childhood! First reboot was fun, just for nostalgia reasons. The rest sucked, this SUCKS!
Kinda still waiting for the explanation part of the video. Don't mean to sound negative but this was more of an observation.
Guys... Their colour is just war paint... Theyre naturally brown. If you listen to whats said klingons did not want an commonality with the federation. So them being naturally brown would have given them a relationship.
There i killed all the species questions.... Ha i am the greatest klingon warrior... No one will oppose me
Looks like the new series is going to suck a big one the should have done axanar.
The Orville is better. This new show is barely related to anything I recognize as "Trek."
Seth Trek
LOL
Corey Newman The Orville is good
Except the blatantly leftist agenda.
At least @@SmartAlx the agenda of Orville is nominal when compared with the COMPLETE UNLIKENESS of Discovery with ANYTHING Roddenberry would even call Star Trek. The WORST characters for a story I have ever seen. It is CLEAR that CBS HATES Star Trek and ALL TREKKIES! Everyone should band together to get that Star Trek hating CEO out of the picture or boycott CBS outright!
I hate the new design of the kingons. I seen no reason for it and the new ones suck ass.
Honestly, the redesign of the Klingons themselves is bad enough... far worse is the outright redesign of their technology, the ships, the weapons and the sets. Klingons, timeline-wise before and after DISC, used to be utilitarian people, their tech designed to be useful or practical rather than attractive. Everything about these... *Klingots* is just so goddamn overdesigned, its ridiculous.
Yes, I'm aware that they actually (re)introduced D7/K'tingas in the second season... which is blatant backpedaling, like their decision to give them hair all of a sudden. I'm willing to bet good money that this wasn't their intention originally, they just panicked after they realized that their redesign didn't fly.
This is a very poor decision. The original show simple alien shapes because first, it helped the budget. Second, it helped us empathize and sympathize with the other races, which was originally the point.
I hated how they redesigned the Klingons in Into Darkness just for the sake of it. This is far worse, they barely even resemble Klingons any more and shows no respect for established lore
I don't know what you guys are complaining about.
These remans look pretty good...
Oh wait.
They do loom more Reman and than Klingon.
Its like the designers got the two mixed up and now one double checked the designs before all the prosthetic's were fabricated and only then realised their mistake and knew that scrapping them and starting again would not only cost more but delay filming so just said "Fuck it, we'll face the wrath of the fans head on." and went ahead.
Actually, remember TOS was cancelled after season 4 due to low ratings. Star Trek became popular like a decade after it died, then the explosion of movies and spinoffs. Also STNG was crap in year one and nobody expected it to last, then they canned one or two idiot producers and finished building the sets and built it up into something great. That last episode of TOS really was crazy with kirk and psycholady trading bodies, but it also seemed their first swing at having a woman captain even if it was kirk's mind. The psycholady in that episode exclaimed over the men's world of ship captains too. I like that they ignored that bit o lore and let the women into command in future episodes. Beverly in STNG might've been the first scene of human female ship captain I remember seeing in the series unless there was a guest star (maybe the lady from the enterprise C when Tasha Yar came back?) or you count romulan or Klingon captains I might be forgetting. Enterprise had a lady captain they placed on the timeline before Kirk's time. Enterprise was considered bad and cancelled in season 4, but I watched it on amazon years later and that season 4 was like all their season finales - it was pretty awesome. :) Season 3 with the Xindi was a neverending grind though; they could've skipped that. Anyway, I'll watch this for the fun of it and see if it dies in year 1 or 4 or 7. Most CBS shows I've seen of other genres have been quite good, so content to give this a chance and see if it grows on me. And remember JJ Abrams flushed all the lore down the toilet with those reboot movies. NFC what timeline this series is in, but seems like everything's up for grabs now anyway. With all the time travel and alternate universes in ALL of the series, it's a farking miracle the apes from planet of the apes don't run the earth now. :) "Lore? Where we're going, we don't need Lore?" *shoves garbage in the engine of his flying delorian and takes off!*
I hope that at some point, DISCO will give us a plausible in-universe explanation for their new look.
Fans: Let me see their Klingon identification.
Paramount: You don't need to see their Klingon identification.
Fans (resists): Yes, we do need to see their identification.
Paramount: These aren't the Klingons you're looking for.
Fans (finally agreeing): These aren't the Klingons we're looking for.
Paramounti: You can go about Your business.
Fas : We will go about our business elsewhere.
Paramount: Move along.
Fans (gives paramount what they obviously want): We will move along... move along.
I know it's kinda blasphemy to use Star Wars quotes as humour on Star Trek but that is how far down this has sunk imo that I don't even care anymore to use blasphemy and Star Wars humour on Star Trek. I guess it all started with JJ Abrams really wanting to do Star Wars, so he intentinally ruined Star Trek with his abomination movies and acctually got his will to do Star Wars instead. Probably as a reward by Diosney for killing Star Trek. It has lead to this wannabe JJ Trek series. It's logical result of all that.
More like:
Fans: Let me see their Klingon identification.
Paramount: You don't need to see their Klingon identification.
Fans: Yes, we do need to see their identification.
Paramount: These aren't the Klingons you're looking for.
Fans: These aren't Klingons. We're looking for Klingons. Go about your business. Move along. Move along
Eheh! Good one. :)
shit
shit
And he basically fucked star wars up, too. The man gave a TED talk on hiw good writing requires that you give the audience questions, but no answers, which is basically just an excuse he must haveade up in a meeting with a Lost producer when it became obviois that he couldn't write his way out of a wet paper bag. He basically just tossed a bunch of shit into the mix and walked away without giving the next guy any odea as to how to resolve the obvious issues he had created.
call paramount and complain everyone
Aw goddammit, so CBS felt desperate to redesign everything to let people know this is THEIR Star Trek. No...we want OUR Star Trek thanks!
Not to get technical but Paramount has the rights to any Trek made under the Bad Robot license they acquired in order to make the rebooted Kelvin timeline Trek; while CBS retains the rights to any Prime timeline Trek. Discovery is made under the Bad Robot license that is why despite whatever CBS wants to say it cannot be Prime Trek, Legally. Midnights Edge did a good breakdown, th-cam.com/video/3I3y3_QmBsQ/w-d-xo.html
thanks for the clearification
I guess they think as long as they slap the star trek name on it, we'll eat up whatever crap they shovel at us .
and this is no different. you bet we'll snarf it up
Ok, that explains why CBS won't show episode 2 next week after episode 1????
EXACTLY Nathaniel, the folks in follywood and new dork city think that Star Trek fans are fools dwelling in their grandmothers basements and are fool enough to buy anything they droll out, and it needs to be boycotted.
Doc Reasonable to some degree your right, even though (as in the case of the first movie) we didn't know it was crap until we had already seen it. At least with discovery, we can see enough after the first couple of episodes to know better.
It's a new Star Trek for a new generation of Trekkies. If you're a real fan then you'll love it no matter where it goes
My problem with the redesign of the Klingons is the make up is so dense it takes any signs of emotion away you cant tell if they are angry, sad etc... I know they are trying to move to an uterly alein look and feel, but for me it was the closeness to ourselves that made them so popular with fans. I think the makers have a major error in messing too much with one of our fav aliens.
Why make these things Klingons? If you're going to retrofit your universe continuity is important, or else... why bother? Take it into the future future and not the future past. These could have been an entirely different race that just fell off the radar later on and they'd make more sense.
wolf crow Rebrand them as a New Alien, not trying to slap Young Kirk or Spock in Cameo.
Boycott Discovery! Go Axenar!
they butchered axanar and other fan and cast projects for this?
oh well at least we have orville, its sure as shit more star trek than this grimdark drek
I will admit I enjoy the Orville. I just think have to think of it as "Not Star Trek" so as not to be too hard on the show. :)
I like the design, just not for klingons. Woulda been better for a new alien race
I think the change in the Klingon appearance, is horrible. Another example of lazy story tellers, not having the courage to create THEIR OWN fiction series so, they “piggyback” on an already famous and established genre for guarantee viewership and to interject their own ideas for credit without expense of risk to their future prospects of franchise. It is nothing more than “grave robbing”!!! If it fails, they simply, make some corrections and start off with a new series while the future of current genre is damaged.
I could not wait to see this show. THEN I wound out that CBS was going charge us to watch is stream. You know...first couple to get your hooked, then pay out the behind? KEEP it. With MY cable bill, I doubt I'll add to it. I hoe that these fools will DISCOVER that when you screw with Star Trek fans, YOU pay in the end NOT us.
Well, at least we (in Europe) get to watch it on regular Netflix.
Laughs in utorrent....
Kodi and a decent VPN does the trick.
CBT19601 they didn't even gives us a few, just one shitty episode. Then the hard pitch. Sorry marketing 101 failure.
Stupid and pointless changes. It was like someone from FACE OFF was given a pointless challenge.
Minxs001 what exactly "pointless" or "stupid" about this?
These new Klingon redesigns almost look like a doctor who alien
Even DR Who aliens try and stay as faithful as possible to how the characters looked in the classic series... Daleks and Cybermen are still as recognisable today as they were in the 60s....
Here's your explanation. Klingon is not a race, but an Empire. Individuals from a conquered planet, if they show bravery and are trained in the ways of Kahless can become a member of a Klingon House. Just as Jadzia/Kurzon was treated as a Klingon, so can entire races become "Klingon".
Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.
...the cry of someone in denial, lol
How is the Starship Enterprise like toilet paper? It circles Uranus searching for Klingons.
I haven't heard this joke in years, nice.
Eh. Personally, I don't much care about the design change. Honestly, I don't think it's the right move. If they wanted to go with some design like that, I would have just suggested bringing in a new alien species and expand on story about this new race. Often time, change comes with a lot of resistance.
Now, i'm not going to rail on Voyager, Enterprise, or any of the movies. Yes, many of them had their flaws. Some more so than others. But most of them also had their awesome moments as well. So while I don't agree with the design change for the Klingons, I'm probably still generally going to enjoy the series.
This is actually the only thing about Discovery that has pissed me off. They admitted on After Trek they did it because Why Not?