Yeah, it'll be fascinating to watch but a lot of buyers will end up with negative equity which will be ugly. It'll be a great year for cash buyers with no trade-ins though!
@@MattMaranMotoring honestly that’s what they get. Too many people Ik bragging about buying new cars supporting dealers in the nonsense. Now they’ll pay
I've had an 18 Giulia TI Sport for nearly 5 years and it's been an outrageously good vehicle. Would recommend to anyone that can do their own oil changes and brakes to keep running costs down. The 2.0L is very reliable.
nice! I've had the same experience. The maintenance items on the 2.0 motor are fairly reasonable honestly. Not any more or less than the other euro brands out there.
I bought my 2018 giulia ti sport Q2 with 32k miles for 26k 5 months ago. I checked prices for similar models and already seeing some for 24k. Probably should have waited a bit, but they totaled my car and was carless since January when I bought it. No regrets, loving the car so far, just had to change the battery as it was the original and key fob battery too. Hopefully nothing else comes up!
This is a great video. Would love to see this become a series where we keep reviewing the used car market. I’m sure there are several people out there holding out to buy a vehicle and waiting for the right price.
First time I've ever heard of Carmigo, so an ad that was actually informative hehe. I saved your link for when we sell our car👍. Totally agree with the used car market, I'm so glad to see them coming down to earth...these vids should be your new niche for 2023. Tips like digits in the Vin indicating CarPlay or not was totally new to me, love it!
The car is amazing! I loved it more than anything I've owned and even driven as an employee of a dealership afforded with the ability to drive a lot of cool stuff. However, you HAVE to have the Alfa serviced at the dealer if you need anything outside of basic maintenance items. I had a ton of CEL's and most certainly an issue with multi-air. However, these issues were intermittent. I had diagnostics from multiple Alfa dealers but they wouldn't diagnose without trying to sell me on other things like injector cleaning.... At 35k miles. On a car that only runs premium top-tier fuel... I got a diagnostic from an independent European shop confirming issues with the multi-air and further diagnostics showing misfire codes on an oil change at a CDJR dealer. A call into Alfa corporate led to a lot of back and forth and essentially telling me I need to bring the car to an Alfa dealer that's over a hundred miles away during an active misfire for a rediagnosis and the former diagnostics from the indie shop and the CDJR dealer wouldn't account for anything. However there's a kicker, there's only ONE technician at the dealership that works on Alfas.... So I was looking at waiting months just to get the car looked at and more time weeks to months for parts and labor to be completed. GREAT cars. TERRIBLE support from the brand and the parent company Stellantis. ONLY buy this car if you live near a dealership with more than one tech. There's no logical reason why CDJR techs can't work on these cars with training. Stellanits just doesn't care. I miss my car and its only been a few weeks since I traded it.
Great video Matt. This is a strong value. No car in its class handles as well. Reliability concerns are overblown. The worst aspect is the dealer network. It can be difficult to find a shop to do maintenance on these cars
I had one for 3 years and it has to be one of the best handling car I have ever owned. It was great to drive and I had no issues for the 3 years I had it
current alfa giulia 2.0 RWD owner. yes the dealers are few and far between depending on your location which can be an issue. My car has 65k miles with very few issues aside from wear tear items. No, it's not a honda product buy and forget, i agree; but if you're looking for a car like this the driving experience is not something you can get from a japanese brand at anywhere near this price point. Something most people might not know, the extended warranty is fairly inexpensive since Alfa is under stellantis, you can buy an official MOPAR warranty valid at any alfa dealer nationwide for not that much. Mine was around $2k for maxcare mopar coverage until about 100k miles or 3 years from date of purchase.
@@mogulme6190 hello happy new year. mainly premium fit and finish of interior as well as driving dynamics. There's no luxury sport JDM car in USA right now that can compete with the driving dynamics of this car for under 30k, in my opinion. Some may have similar numbers on paper, but definitely not as fun to drive. I also own a 30 year old corolla that I love so i def have nothing against JDM cars, but like matt said it's great value for this specific segment of car.
@@cinnamontoastclutch6653 honestly I was not that impressed with the fit and finish of the alfas. The new japanese and german cars are nicer inside. But the alfa does have that nimble feeling even the germans lack
love these videos, I hope that the Type Rs prices come back to Earth, I'd like to get a FK8 Type R as my next car...just cant justify paying above MSRP and at such a ridiculous amount too.
As I’m listening I am seeing several CPO Giulia Ti I would totally buy. Honestly though, once that CPO period is up, I would get rid of it faster than hot stink.
I’ve just paid a deposit on an 18 plate Giulia 2.2 Tecnica. 113k miles, full history, just serviced, new MOT, new tyres for a paltry £10500. Look forward to running this for a couple of years as my daily!
Nice video. Prices have continued falling. I bought a 2017 TI Sport Q2 about a month ago that was fully optioned except for the driver assist package for $16.5k + tax/title. It was a car fax one owner but miles on the high side 70k. Still, a crazy deal for that much car. The car itself looked brand new. I would guess you could get one with less that 50k miles for 1500 more or so.
@@jjchockey currently driving a 2020 Cherokee Limited on lease and its smooth and powerful. If its the same setup in the Giulia, it would be great. I dont even care that it's not high revving
@@RaijinTheThunder The engine is the only thing the same. The Giulia also has different engine mapping and a much smoother, quicker shifting, more reliable 8 speed ZF trans.
This is a crazy coincidence that I left a comment on these on the Genesis video from last week. These are fun cars and the Quad is way too expensive to maintain. My friend bought one and had it for a while until he totaled it.
Another excellent upload! I've been seeing more news about used car prices dropping and these videos are super helpful. I wonder if Quadrifoglio prices will hold more steady compared to the more standard models but definitely good deals to be had out there.
Wow that's freaking wild. Psh if i'm looking for an additional daily I might consider this. the only thing that comes to my head is the Servicing costs
@@SicSemperBeats As good as the QV engine is anyone who has driven a Giulia would know that the steering and chassis dynamic is the real party trick. What makes this car so fantastic is the base model 2.0T has surprisingly similar handling to the QV because they share the same chassis, steering, and suspension design. The 2.0T is a pretty fun 4cyl to bang through the gears.
After owning several Alfas over 4.5 years these are some of the best driving cars for the money. The Qv are 4 door Ferrari in ever aspect of quirks, sound, feel and front end feel however when these cars break no warranty will save anyone from the incompetence of the dealers, technicians and FCA who offer zero support. They break the cars further almost seems like sabotage. My 2018 QV suffered water damage due to a leaking cowl which is a known problem and the car was never the same, stuck weekly, lived on a flatbed all to often and never got a loaner car. Dealers kept my car weeks and up to 3 months doing repairs only to be picked up and towed back hours later. I had to buy OBD Alfa specific diagnostics to scan car every cold or rainy day and almost got killed Least 50 times having the car shut off on highway speeds. As much as I loved the car I simply could not take the stress and fear owning the car and traded it on a new M3. Funny part of the story is the BMW dealer wholesaled my Alfa to one of the incompetent Alfa dealers who serviced the car. The Alfa GM called me to ask if the car they bought was mine and when I said yes they immediately removed it from their website and said they would not retail my car due to liability. They are special cars but the lack of factory support and some of the worst dealers in the world are destroying this legendary brand. Also those extended warranty from Mopar are not cheap and every time you use the warranty there is a $200 or greater deductible that must be paid. Even though I went through hell i still may consider another in the future but not to daily drive. i receive emails every single day if other frustrated Alfa owners complaining and switching brands just for service issues, i do not see Alfa Romeo having a lasting future in the USA much longer.
Dam you are really dedicated to bashing alfa now, so much so that you are writing on other peoples videos. You were the reason I started loving this car. The whole reason I watched your channel, not anymore. I get that you weren't happy but I don't think you should be going around bashing them.
@@jjchockey not bashing speaking the truth of what i went through you either accept reality or get burned yourself when you need after sale support. Nobody praised these cars more than me but i also did not hide the issues i had in great detail. Truth is the truth accept it or believe otherwise they will leave you hanging when you need support that is a fact.
Love this discussion, Matt. Anybody (that would be me) owning older bmw’s is thoroughly acquainted with constant issues on a myriad of issues. However, my experience is that the issues are non drivetrain related.
Thanks Jonathan! And thanks for weighing in with your BMW experience. Hopefully they've improved, I know when I worked at a BMW dealer from 2007-2011 the turbo motors in those 335s and 535s were problematic, in addition to the electrical gremlins that seemed to plague used BMWs (and every other European brand) regardless of what age/generation they were.
One response though… after learning some time ago about the glories of the v-6, I can’t imagine willingly buying the 4. It’s not a bad engine. But when you can buy a Ferrari v6 with that weird growl? I’ll take a salvaged / 2017 v6 over a perfect newer model with a 4.
@@MattMaranMotoring thanks so much, Matt. Yeah, that’s so true… I thankfully never suffered the travails of the dreadful n54 or marginally superior n55. But both were historically scary troublesome and to me not worth the risk. I have (2) N52’s and (1) S65 v8. So far, non Drivetrain is annoying on one of them. But no problem whatsoever on drivetrain. And I have 344200 miles on one of them.
i've got a 2019 giulia ti sport for 2 years now and never had a car that's gotten more stares and compliments. oil changes are a little expensive and you cant get it done at jiffy lube or other chain service places because they don't stock the filter so going to the dealer kinda sucks. luckily it's every 10k for an oil change so it's not that bad. depending on your size i would suggest the red leather sport seats. i'm 5'10 170 and they fit me so snuggly and they look absolutely amazing
@@MattMaranMotoring your praise of the driving dynamics is a big part of why i bought one....that plus i was fighting with my gf one day and decided to kill the day by test driving one and they made me an offer i couldn't refuse lol
I have a 2018 Giulia Quad with over 50k miles and it has been reliable, but not perfect. The 2.0 liter turbo 4s seem to be more reliable. The reputation in the automotive press came from the early 2017 models that had some ECU issues. Unfortunately those are the cars that the journalists received. The later models are much better and the 2017s have received software updates which you are seeing on the CarFax reports. They really are great cars.
@@atraioiztherat9063 Alfa owners I have spoken to who have the 4 cylinder tell me how great they drive and how reliable they have been. With any European car, as you state, regular maintenance is the key. If you try to stretch maintenance windows or skip certain services you might get in trouble. These cars are not Camrys. Also, since you are buying used (I bought mine used, too) make sure you do a pre-purchase inspection and find one with a strong service history. Enjoy!
Thanks! I'll continue doing them weekly this month, and beyond that I'll try to work them in when I can as long as I can continue to find cars worth highlighting.
I had a 2017 Giulia and it was Disaster and I love European cars. Had key reading issues, rapid tire wear, several check engine lights, brake wrapping rotors. Total breakdown and was in rental for months till lease ended. Such a nice driving and best looking car I have owned. Maybe the later models are better but beware that you cannot diy this car as the scanners don’t work on them past 2019 model year.
Thank you 🙏🏻 for the shoutout there Matt. I am glad to help and get you looking at the Alfas again for this fun new segment. I have been looking at the newer Jeep Cherokee especially the Trailhawk trim, if I had to get a vehicle and didn’t have enough for a truck 🛻. But looking at the Stelvio prices I may have to test drive one sometime. I watched your review video awhile back but I like to experience things for myself. Would I just take it to a Ram, Dodge, Jeep dealership for repairs? I am going to look into a few more deals, that was a fun Easter egg 🥚 hunt.
Lexus GS 350 is another great option. 2013-2015 models are in the low to mid $20k range. If you’re okay with older models, 2007-2011 range also has great deals for $8k-$15k depending on mileage. As long as the maintenance has been kept up, they’ll run forever.
'17 Ti, 62K nothing other than gas, oil, and a spark plug change. The 2.0l is similar to the 4-cyl. in 400,000 Jeeps sold every year. When I did the spark plug change, I called a Dodge dealer and got them for $12 each. You have to use really good oil (Mobil 1 ESP, or Pennzoil Euro LX), but the filter is cheap and its easy to do the service yourself. The trans is ZF---best in the world. All that "Italian cars are "unreliable" is FUD from the 1970s.
I just purchased one in November of 2022 and paid 29K for it! Yikes! (One owner with Sport Package with brown leather seats and only14k miles.) Yeah a lot of money considering current pricing but I also got 18K for a trade in that I most likely would only get 14 -15K in current environment. So it kinda breaks even? LOL Nevertheless, I'm extremely happy with the car thus far, zero issues and whoa what a great driving machine!
Guy I dont know your background, but the GIULIA has been bulleet proof...probably the best ABSOLUTELY new car build in the last 40 years. FORD, GM, BMW. AUDI MAZDA and HONDA have all major engineering issues with their new cars....from OIL BURNING MONSTERS to exploding engines and trannys! Ive had a 2017 GIULIA TI Q4 with 65000 miles and I beat the shit out of it and just keeps saying GIMME MORE! bullet proof and I average 33MPG on the highway for trips over 350 miles! anyway, the less people know the better...the brand will survive and has survived with or without AMERICAN support... the less the bettter and that makes it more exclusive! plus they have the lowest operating costs of anything in its class...I still am on my original BREMBO brakes! try that with a BMW, FORD, GM or AUDI!
Thanks for sharing your ownership experience! I'm glad to hear yours has treated you well! Like I said in this video, I've talked to many owners that have had great luck with these just like you, and I don't think they deserve the bad image that many people have given these.
I've also talked to most guilia and stelvio owners and they have over 50k miles, no issues.. I seen some on Turo that have passed 40k and no creaks no issues. Only downside is the seats are pretty uncomfortable and hard..not at all luxury but the handling is the best ever..
Matt, I dig this approach. It’s good to see you putting out content. I agree that the Alfas are a great value. My dad sold his 14k mile 2016 Scion iA last year for $15k. An Alfa by comparison for nearly the same money is que a draw.
I've had my Giulia since July of 21. I bought my 18 Sport Q4 with 59k on the clock. Of course I got an extended warranty. I've put 35k on the clock, and in my ownership I've replaced the turbo, radiator, ECM, electronic shifter, and the battery. Never left me stranded. Daily driven four hundred miles a week.
LoL. It’s never ‘left you stranded’, but you had to replace $15K + in parts/labor? Aside from your warranty, that’s a complete money pit of the perfect example of why not to buy these junk vehicles OR dump them immediately when the warranty expires/when they accrue 60,000 miles.
Such underrated cars - sure, they are no Lexus, but with the 2.0 base engine they are nowhere near as unreliable as the memes and not more expensive to own than a german car.
If you had a choice of a used Honda Accord coupe 2010, Lexus IS250 AWD, Infiniti g37 coupe AWD or the Alfa Giulia 2017 AWD, which would be your choice in order?
Ask Auto Fanatic about his Alfas. He loved them, until he didn't! They are sharp looking vehicles, but certainly not a cheap one to own as a second or third owner after the warranty.
😮a used car review I’d love to see would be for the Pontiac G8/G8 GXP, & the GTO (‘04-‘06). Especially w/ MT. Been on the lookout for one but prices can be steep on ‘em if you’re fastidious like me.
Dated drivetrains. The GTO’s were probably one of the most unaesthetic looking vehicles I’ve come across. I mean, it generally looks like a Pontiac, Grand AM. Not only that, But if you’ve driven anything modern like a newer Camaro or GT, it makes the GTO cars feel slow and clunky. But hey, if that’s your thing.
I love these cheap car videos. Might explain why I'm seeing so many ARs here in the states now. Seems like a not great idea to be buying European luxury cars but I bought a civic what do I know.
I drove one of these before, and for some reason it wasn't that fun for me and the base engine wasn't that exciting. Maybe my experience was skewed since I daily drove a miata haha though I would still avoid the lemon law cars.
It's the steering and chassis dynamics that makes this car fun not the engine. It's the best luxury sports sedan chassis ever made imo. Im a miata guy as well.
I tried it once in a review, back when I did the 2013 Chevy Malibu. Unfortunately I can't pull them off so the answer to your question is probably never unless fashion trends make them popular again lol.
I grew up with Italian cars all around. The reason these 2017s go for so little is because after 5 years the problems start hard. You better be a good mechanic because no one will service them. I think I would rather have a bicycle.
These are not the Italian cars you grew up with. Trust me I owned 1990s era Alfas. The leap in quality blew my mind away the first time I drove my Stelvio
@@MattMaranMotoring Ahh, but I didn't give up. My replacement car was a 2018 Giulia with far fewer problems. It went into "limp mode" a couple of times, but nothing major in fact it reset itself after one event. It's a beautiful car, handles well, perky acceleration, and most importantly it has analog gauges and is easy to use. 😉
Dealers can’t sell these. A Volvo dealer I work a side hustle at had one of each and they both sat for 3-4 months before they gave up and wholesaled them.
The only downside of Alfa is the unpredictable reliability, plus non-existing dealerships! In North Texas there are only 3 Alfa dealerships, which is less than Mitsubishi…
Cool looking cars, fun to drive, not reliable long term, lease it for 2 years and find something else, i see comments like "ive had mine for 4 years with no issues, super reliable" like nah fam you cant guage reliability in a 5 year span, give it a decade, one of my vehicles is an '03 toyota camry, now thats a fuckin reliable car lol 20 years old, 270k miles on her, only ever done basic stuff for maintaining a vehicle and have had zero issues, planning to either run her into thw ground or hit that half a millie mark on the odometer
Another super reliable car I own is a 2014 diesel jetta, dieselgate era babyyyy, love that thing, about to do a egr/dpf delete and tune that puppy up, gettin 60mpg highway right now and should be closer to 70 after delete and tune (more horses and torque too)
BMW current reliability ratings are extremely high, ranked 3rd by consumer reports. I can’t see why someone would want a gulia over a 230 or 330i other than getting a good deal on a used model.
I bought a used 2017 Giulia TI 2 years ago and owned it for one year. I love Alfa and I will soon own my second BUT DO NOT BUY A FIRST YEAR MODEL PLEASE. I had countless issues with mine. Coolant temp sensor wiring failed, oil pump failed, trunk button failed, car would shut off when turning off cruise control and random limp modes frequently. Beautiful car but please don’t buy a first year. There’s a reason they’re so cheap. Sincerely a former Alfa onwer
My buddy just traded his wife's Stevio in for another one and then found out the Turbo was shot on the old one, he's friends with the SA, so that's how he found out. Another buddy has one now and it gets that light on the dash that's a lightning bolt, goes into limpmode and the batteries in these things SUCK. A TH-cam guy I follow, Auto-Fanatic, had a Guilia QV and it left him on the side of the road one too many times, sold it and bought a M3 right away! Just sayin'🤔
Right, I mentioned before, these vehicles have quality control issues with weak drive trains. Some people have had semi-decent experiences, but if you look at the overall vehicle ratings itself through consumer reports and vehicle complaints, there’s quite a few of them that follows a trajectory with this specific brand. Looks can be deceiving, given that this is a unique looking car, but it just leaves a lot to be desired when you don’t have an extended warranty and paying out of pocket for a semi sub-par junky drivetrain. Hard pass.
Thanks for sharing those experiences! This comment section is really helpful to see what real-world experiences owners are having, both the good and the bad.
Are you ok with having a “little”more RISK? 😂 I get you I really do, I agree as well. However IF I’m buying a Giulia it will most likely be a garage queen and only come out in the summer months.
My main concern with the Alfa, Romeo line, is, there’s a lot of quality control issues, especially with the drivetrain. They look sharp, and I’ve heard some good things, but ultimately the repair costs, quality control issues with the drive train system, and the fact that dealerships are relatively few, and far between, is one of the main reasons why the cost have dropped on those specific vehicles. Not only that, but cars in general are a dying breed when ‘crossovers’ are taking over.
the base motor is known to be a lot less trouble free. honestly not a bad value if you want to get a sport sedan. I would definitely get the warranty though
Honestly these videos are perfect now with prices dropping more and more
Yes these videos are awesome👏🏻 so interesting
They are too f'n HigH
Perfect timing for this video series… we’re about to see a huge collapse in automotive prices this year
Yeah, it'll be fascinating to watch but a lot of buyers will end up with negative equity which will be ugly. It'll be a great year for cash buyers with no trade-ins though!
@@MattMaranMotoring honestly that’s what they get. Too many people Ik bragging about buying new cars supporting dealers in the nonsense. Now they’ll pay
@@MattMaranMotoring I have no car right now and no cash...lol
@@MattMaranMotoring Negative equity? That means they bought it with a massive loan? Buying a car with a massive loan is pretty dumb.
@@basmca1 That's what most people do. The average car payment last month was like $700 something.
I've had an 18 Giulia TI Sport for nearly 5 years and it's been an outrageously good vehicle. Would recommend to anyone that can do their own oil changes and brakes to keep running costs down. The 2.0L is very reliable.
Thanks for sharing your ownership experience!
nice! I've had the same experience. The maintenance items on the 2.0 motor are fairly reasonable honestly. Not any more or less than the other euro brands out there.
How’s the dealership experience?
@@hipposnakeyo its lacking. . . not a lot of alfa dealers around
If you can afford a pre owned luxury car, you won’t be able to afford the maintenance 😆
I bought my 2018 giulia ti sport Q2 with 32k miles for 26k 5 months ago. I checked prices for similar models and already seeing some for 24k. Probably should have waited a bit, but they totaled my car and was carless since January when I bought it. No regrets, loving the car so far, just had to change the battery as it was the original and key fob battery too. Hopefully nothing else comes up!
This is a great video. Would love to see this become a series where we keep reviewing the used car market. I’m sure there are several people out there holding out to buy a vehicle and waiting for the right price.
I'll keep making these as long as I can find cars worth highlighting!
First time I've ever heard of Carmigo, so an ad that was actually informative hehe. I saved your link for when we sell our car👍. Totally agree with the used car market, I'm so glad to see them coming down to earth...these vids should be your new niche for 2023. Tips like digits in the Vin indicating CarPlay or not was totally new to me, love it!
I’m glad you liked it and glad it was helpful! I definitely plan to do more of these!
The car is amazing! I loved it more than anything I've owned and even driven as an employee of a dealership afforded with the ability to drive a lot of cool stuff. However, you HAVE to have the Alfa serviced at the dealer if you need anything outside of basic maintenance items. I had a ton of CEL's and most certainly an issue with multi-air. However, these issues were intermittent. I had diagnostics from multiple Alfa dealers but they wouldn't diagnose without trying to sell me on other things like injector cleaning.... At 35k miles. On a car that only runs premium top-tier fuel... I got a diagnostic from an independent European shop confirming issues with the multi-air and further diagnostics showing misfire codes on an oil change at a CDJR dealer. A call into Alfa corporate led to a lot of back and forth and essentially telling me I need to bring the car to an Alfa dealer that's over a hundred miles away during an active misfire for a rediagnosis and the former diagnostics from the indie shop and the CDJR dealer wouldn't account for anything. However there's a kicker, there's only ONE technician at the dealership that works on Alfas.... So I was looking at waiting months just to get the car looked at and more time weeks to months for parts and labor to be completed. GREAT cars. TERRIBLE support from the brand and the parent company Stellantis. ONLY buy this car if you live near a dealership with more than one tech. There's no logical reason why CDJR techs can't work on these cars with training. Stellanits just doesn't care. I miss my car and its only been a few weeks since I traded it.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Sorry it wasn’t the best for you!
My experience was similar. Got to like the Chrysler 300S Rental car as I drove it as much as the Alfa
Great video Matt. This is a strong value. No car in its class handles as well. Reliability concerns are overblown. The worst aspect is the dealer network. It can be difficult to find a shop to do maintenance on these cars
Depends on where you are in the country.
Another solid episode, this is a great video segment! Keep it up with your finds and discussions!
Thanks, glad you're enjoying them!
I had one for 3 years and it has to be one of the best handling car I have ever owned. It was great to drive and I had no issues for the 3 years I had it
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Thanks Matt I really enjoy these car deal videos. Keep up the good work
Glad you like them!
current alfa giulia 2.0 RWD owner. yes the dealers are few and far between depending on your location which can be an issue. My car has 65k miles with very few issues aside from wear tear items. No, it's not a honda product buy and forget, i agree; but if you're looking for a car like this the driving experience is not something you can get from a japanese brand at anywhere near this price point. Something most people might not know, the extended warranty is fairly inexpensive since Alfa is under stellantis, you can buy an official MOPAR warranty valid at any alfa dealer nationwide for not that much. Mine was around $2k for maxcare mopar coverage until about 100k miles or 3 years from date of purchase.
Thanks so much for sharing your ownership experience and the warranty info! Very helpful!
What’s different from a Japanese brand
@@mogulme6190 hello happy new year. mainly premium fit and finish of interior as well as driving dynamics. There's no luxury sport JDM car in USA right now that can compete with the driving dynamics of this car for under 30k, in my opinion. Some may have similar numbers on paper, but definitely not as fun to drive. I also own a 30 year old corolla that I love so i def have nothing against JDM cars, but like matt said it's great value for this specific segment of car.
I was looking at the MOPAR warranty and it says it's 7 years from the original Service Date and it's close to $4K. Where did you buy your warranty at?
@@cinnamontoastclutch6653 honestly I was not that impressed with the fit and finish of the alfas. The new japanese and german cars are nicer inside. But the alfa does have that nimble feeling even the germans lack
Loving these new videos!
Glad you like them!
Love these vids
Love this new format! I’ve been needing a new used car since before Covid. Can’t wait until prices fall more.
love this new segment!
Thanks!
love these videos, I hope that the Type Rs prices come back to Earth, I'd like to get a FK8 Type R as my next car...just cant justify paying above MSRP and at such a ridiculous amount too.
As I’m listening I am seeing several CPO Giulia Ti I would totally buy. Honestly though, once that CPO period is up, I would get rid of it faster than hot stink.
I’ve just paid a deposit on an 18 plate Giulia 2.2 Tecnica. 113k miles, full history, just serviced, new MOT, new tyres for a paltry £10500. Look forward to running this for a couple of years as my daily!
Nice video. Prices have continued falling. I bought a 2017 TI Sport Q2 about a month ago that was fully optioned except for the driver assist package for $16.5k + tax/title. It was a car fax one owner but miles on the high side 70k. Still, a crazy deal for that much car. The car itself looked brand new. I would guess you could get one with less that 50k miles for 1500 more or so.
That 2L Turbo is the same in the Jeep Cherokee and it's a ZF8 transmission. It really shouldn't be that bad tbh
Wrangler
Ya I sell jeeps and the 2.0T has been pretty bullet proof in the Cherokee and Wrangler. Ive only seen one get replaced out of thousands.
@@jjchockey currently driving a 2020 Cherokee Limited on lease and its smooth and powerful. If its the same setup in the Giulia, it would be great.
I dont even care that it's not high revving
@@RaijinTheThunder The engine is the only thing the same. The Giulia also has different engine mapping and a much smoother, quicker shifting, more reliable 8 speed ZF trans.
This is a crazy coincidence that I left a comment on these on the Genesis video from last week. These are fun cars and the Quad is way too expensive to maintain. My friend bought one and had it for a while until he totaled it.
Thanks for suggesting it!
Yes these cars drive amazing! It's so good, the driving dynamics
Another excellent upload! I've been seeing more news about used car prices dropping and these videos are super helpful. I wonder if Quadrifoglio prices will hold more steady compared to the more standard models but definitely good deals to be had out there.
Yeah I think Quads are more desirable, it looks like they're going for almost double what a regular Giulia is going for.
@@MattMaranMotoring Well, the QV cost over $30k more than the top 2.0L version from new.
Giulia gets great fuel economy for a 5sec car. Very good aero / low air drag.
Wow that's freaking wild. Psh if i'm looking for an additional daily I might consider this. the only thing that comes to my head is the Servicing costs
I bought that exact blue one! Thank you! Loving it.
Those typically aren't real prices. When you get to the dealer, there's at least another $3k-$5k in dealer fees.
They will sell them to you without all the fees. Car market is tanking fast, never pay those fees. It’s BS
If you ever bought a single car before or even step foot in a dealership you wouldn’t have to be told this. Dealership fees and tax are common sense
BS. Dealers need to get rid of used car asap before it tanks even more or they will be loosing money.
The Quadrifoglio is the only Gulia or Stelvio I’m crushing on 😂
Same. I don’t want to use that sh*tty multi air 2.0 from Chrysler lol
@@SicSemperBeats As good as the QV engine is anyone who has driven a Giulia would know that the steering and chassis dynamic is the real party trick. What makes this car so fantastic is the base model 2.0T has surprisingly similar handling to the QV because they share the same chassis, steering, and suspension design. The 2.0T is a pretty fun 4cyl to bang through the gears.
After owning several Alfas over 4.5 years these are some of the best driving cars for the money. The Qv are 4 door Ferrari in ever aspect of quirks, sound, feel and front end feel however when these cars break no warranty will save anyone from the incompetence of the dealers, technicians and FCA who offer zero support. They break the cars further almost seems like sabotage. My 2018 QV suffered water damage due to a leaking cowl which is a known problem and the car was never the same, stuck weekly, lived on a flatbed all to often and never got a loaner car. Dealers kept my car weeks and up to 3 months doing repairs only to be picked up and towed back hours later. I had to buy OBD Alfa specific diagnostics to scan car every cold or rainy day and almost got killed Least 50 times having the car shut off on highway speeds. As much as I loved the car I simply could not take the stress and fear owning the car and traded it on a new M3. Funny part of the story is the BMW dealer wholesaled my Alfa to one of the incompetent Alfa dealers who serviced the car. The Alfa GM called me to ask if the car they bought was mine and when I said yes they immediately removed it from their website and said they would not retail my car due to liability. They are special cars but the lack of factory support and some of the worst dealers in the world are destroying this legendary brand. Also those extended warranty from Mopar are not cheap and every time you use the warranty there is a $200 or greater deductible that must be paid. Even though I went through hell i still may consider another in the future but not to daily drive. i receive emails every single day if other frustrated Alfa owners complaining and switching brands just for service issues, i do not see Alfa Romeo having a lasting future in the USA much longer.
Dam you are really dedicated to bashing alfa now, so much so that you are writing on other peoples videos. You were the reason I started loving this car. The whole reason I watched your channel, not anymore. I get that you weren't happy but I don't think you should be going around bashing them.
@@jjchockey not bashing speaking the truth of what i went through you either accept reality or get burned yourself when you need after sale support. Nobody praised these cars more than me but i also did not hide the issues i had in great detail. Truth is the truth accept it or believe otherwise they will leave you hanging when you need support that is a fact.
@@autofanaticcars My point is you are going to the extremes of commenting on someone else's video. Make a TH-cam video all you want.
Love this discussion, Matt. Anybody (that would be me) owning older bmw’s is thoroughly acquainted with constant issues on a myriad of issues. However, my experience is that the issues are non drivetrain related.
Thanks Jonathan! And thanks for weighing in with your BMW experience. Hopefully they've improved, I know when I worked at a BMW dealer from 2007-2011 the turbo motors in those 335s and 535s were problematic, in addition to the electrical gremlins that seemed to plague used BMWs (and every other European brand) regardless of what age/generation they were.
One response though… after learning some time ago about the glories of the v-6, I can’t imagine willingly buying the 4. It’s not a bad engine. But when you can buy a Ferrari v6 with that weird growl? I’ll take a salvaged / 2017 v6 over a perfect newer model with a 4.
@@Bmwguy2011 Your call, but the QV is not essential for buyers to experience the great vehicle dynamics with the Giulia.
@@MattMaranMotoring thanks so much, Matt. Yeah, that’s so true… I thankfully never suffered the travails of the dreadful n54 or marginally superior n55. But both were historically scary troublesome and to me not worth the risk. I have (2) N52’s and (1) S65 v8. So far, non Drivetrain is annoying on one of them. But no problem whatsoever on drivetrain. And I have 344200 miles on one of them.
i've got a 2019 giulia ti sport for 2 years now and never had a car that's gotten more stares and compliments. oil changes are a little expensive and you cant get it done at jiffy lube or other chain service places because they don't stock the filter so going to the dealer kinda sucks. luckily it's every 10k for an oil change so it's not that bad. depending on your size i would suggest the red leather sport seats. i'm 5'10 170 and they fit me so snuggly and they look absolutely amazing
If you buy the oil and filters some places will do it for a small cost, that’s what I do
Thanks for sharing your experience and I'm glad it's been a good one for you!
@@MattMaranMotoring your praise of the driving dynamics is a big part of why i bought one....that plus i was fighting with my gf one day and decided to kill the day by test driving one and they made me an offer i couldn't refuse lol
You can buy the oil change kit, includes 6 qts of the recommended Mopar 0w30 and Mopar filter for $100 online and have a local garage do it for $50-70
I think Giulias are going to be future tuner cars in a couple years
I have a 2018 Giulia Quad with over 50k miles and it has been reliable, but not perfect. The 2.0 liter turbo 4s seem to be more reliable. The reputation in the automotive press came from the early 2017 models that had some ECU issues. Unfortunately those are the cars that the journalists received. The later models are much better and the 2017s have received software updates which you are seeing on the CarFax reports. They really are great cars.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
I’m looking at a 2019 4 cylinder is it pretty reliable with regular maintenance?
@@atraioiztherat9063 Alfa owners I have spoken to who have the 4 cylinder tell me how great they drive and how reliable they have been. With any European car, as you state, regular maintenance is the key. If you try to stretch maintenance windows or skip certain services you might get in trouble. These cars are not Camrys. Also, since you are buying used (I bought mine used, too) make sure you do a pre-purchase inspection and find one with a strong service history. Enjoy!
Another great video!
Hope you keep doing the new type used car pricing videos
Thanks! I'll continue doing them weekly this month, and beyond that I'll try to work them in when I can as long as I can continue to find cars worth highlighting.
I had a 2017 Giulia and it was Disaster and I love European cars. Had key reading issues, rapid tire wear, several check engine lights, brake wrapping rotors. Total breakdown and was in rental for months till lease ended. Such a nice driving and best looking car I have owned. Maybe the later models are better but beware that you cannot diy this car as the scanners don’t work on them past 2019 model year.
When did you own the vehicle? The 2017 has gotten software updates throughout the years which fixed a lot of electrical issues
love this series
Always overlooked these because of the msrp and perceived quality..but definitely pique my interest with this.
Great video, Matt. Appreciate it
Thanks Miko, glad you liked it!
The best driving luxury sedan and luxury suv ever made imo.
They are actually offering crazy good deals for brand new as well.
Thank you 🙏🏻 for the shoutout there Matt. I am glad to help and get you looking at the Alfas again for this fun new segment.
I have been looking at the newer Jeep Cherokee especially the Trailhawk trim, if I had to get a vehicle and didn’t have enough for a truck 🛻. But looking at the Stelvio prices I may have to test drive one sometime. I watched your review video awhile back but I like to experience things for myself.
Would I just take it to a Ram, Dodge, Jeep dealership for repairs?
I am going to look into a few more deals, that was a fun Easter egg 🥚 hunt.
Thanks again for bringing Giulia prices to my attention Forrest! Let me know if there's any other deals you find!
@@MattMaranMotoring you are welcome 🙏🏻 and I definitely will do that for you. It’s kind of fun. 😎
Really good deals actually, car market is gunna have big adjustment soon and I bet these will be even better!
I agree!
People are catching on! I have an 18 Ti Sport Giulia. Absolutely love it.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Don't get the first year of guilia by 2018 2019 they fixed a lot of the issues with the electrics. You can still find them for under 20 gs :)
Lexus GS 350 is another great option. 2013-2015 models are in the low to mid $20k range. If you’re okay with older models, 2007-2011 range also has great deals for $8k-$15k depending on mileage. As long as the maintenance has been kept up, they’ll run forever.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check them out!
Who cares if a Lexus runs forever, as the experience is eminently forgettable.
What would you pick a 18+Giulia or a 18+ eco boost mustang ?
'17 Ti, 62K nothing other than gas, oil, and a spark plug change. The 2.0l is similar to the 4-cyl. in 400,000 Jeeps sold every year. When I did the spark plug change, I called a Dodge dealer and got them for $12 each. You have to use really good oil (Mobil 1 ESP, or Pennzoil Euro LX), but the filter is cheap and its easy to do the service yourself. The trans is ZF---best in the world. All that "Italian cars are "unreliable" is FUD from the 1970s.
Thanks for sharing your ownership experience Trevor!
Good video but IMO it makes sense why these 5+ year old 4 cylinder Italian cars are going for cheap lol
I just purchased one in November of 2022 and paid 29K for it! Yikes! (One owner with Sport Package with brown leather seats and only14k miles.) Yeah a lot of money considering current pricing but I also got 18K for a trade in that I most likely would only get 14 -15K in current environment. So it kinda breaks even? LOL Nevertheless, I'm extremely happy with the car thus far, zero issues and whoa what a great driving machine!
Glad you're liking yours! Yeah with the higher trade-in it probably comes close to evening out.
Keep this series of videos coming maybe do the best cars under $15k
The next one I'll be featuring will be under 15k!
@@MattMaranMotoring sweet thanks Matt 🤝
Guy I dont know your background, but the GIULIA has been bulleet proof...probably the best ABSOLUTELY new car build in the last 40 years. FORD, GM, BMW. AUDI MAZDA and HONDA have all major engineering issues with their new cars....from OIL BURNING MONSTERS to exploding engines and trannys!
Ive had a 2017 GIULIA TI Q4 with 65000 miles and I beat the shit out of it and just keeps saying GIMME MORE! bullet proof and I average 33MPG on the highway for trips over 350 miles! anyway, the less people know the better...the brand will survive and has survived with or without AMERICAN support... the less the bettter and that makes it more exclusive!
plus they have the lowest operating costs of anything in its class...I still am on my original BREMBO brakes! try that with a BMW, FORD, GM or AUDI!
Thanks for sharing your ownership experience! I'm glad to hear yours has treated you well! Like I said in this video, I've talked to many owners that have had great luck with these just like you, and I don't think they deserve the bad image that many people have given these.
Should do one of these for the volvo v60 wagon!
Some else suggested that too, I'll have to look into them. My only concern is that there might not be very many of them on the market.
I've also talked to most guilia and stelvio owners and they have over 50k miles, no issues.. I seen some on Turo that have passed 40k and no creaks no issues. Only downside is the seats are pretty uncomfortable and hard..not at all luxury but the handling is the best ever..
i've got 70k on mine and only issue was a brief electrical thing that corrected itself by shutting it off and restarting
@@apocalypse13 is there a timing belt on that motor or any extra maintenance?
Really? I find them to be insanely comfortable. Way better then the expensive Napa leather massage seats in my B9 S4.
@@mattstarr2674 no belt, so there's no replacement service. and no other oddball extra service
The sport seats aren't a concern unless you a really big guy/gal.
Matt, I dig this approach. It’s good to see you putting out content. I agree that the Alfas are a great value. My dad sold his 14k mile 2016 Scion iA last year for $15k. An Alfa by comparison for nearly the same money is que a draw.
Thanks Franz, I'm glad you like the videos!
I've had my Giulia since July of 21. I bought my 18 Sport Q4 with 59k on the clock. Of course I got an extended warranty. I've put 35k on the clock, and in my ownership I've replaced the turbo, radiator, ECM, electronic shifter, and the battery. Never left me stranded. Daily driven four hundred miles a week.
LoL. It’s never ‘left you stranded’, but you had to replace $15K + in parts/labor? Aside from your warranty, that’s a complete money pit of the perfect example of why not to buy these junk vehicles OR dump them immediately when the warranty expires/when they accrue 60,000 miles.
thats a lot of parts to replace, yikes
Thank you for sharing your ownership experience, sorry it hasn't been issue-free for you but glad it hasn't left you stranded at least!
@@R.P.E 😂😂😂 at least the mopar warranties on these are cheap
Such underrated cars - sure, they are no Lexus, but with the 2.0 base engine they are nowhere near as unreliable as the memes and not more expensive to own than a german car.
I agree!
If you had a choice of a used Honda Accord coupe 2010, Lexus IS250 AWD, Infiniti g37 coupe AWD or the Alfa Giulia 2017 AWD, which would be your choice in order?
Giulia, G37, IS250, Accord coupe.
How about the Giulia quadrifoglio are there many problems with those?
They seem to be a little more problematic than the 4 cylinder ones.
Ask Auto Fanatic about his Alfas. He loved them, until he didn't! They are sharp looking vehicles, but certainly not a cheap one to own as a second or third owner after the warranty.
Thank you
Keep this series up Matt... I like the idea of a Guilia but wouldn't but one. I would go IS250, Stinger or G70. It's great to have options
Those other brands can't come close to the styling/handling/steering of the Giulia.
Love these cheap car finds
Looking for an all weather sedan when my mustang is paid off to keep miles down .. these are looking like a possibility. 👍
😮a used car review I’d love to see would be for the Pontiac G8/G8 GXP, & the GTO (‘04-‘06). Especially w/ MT. Been on the lookout for one but prices can be steep on ‘em if you’re fastidious like me.
Dated drivetrains. The GTO’s were probably one of the most unaesthetic looking vehicles I’ve come across. I mean, it generally looks like a Pontiac, Grand AM. Not only that, But if you’ve driven anything modern like a newer Camaro or GT, it makes the GTO cars feel slow and clunky. But hey, if that’s your thing.
I'd love to review a G8 someday but I did review a GTO with a manual a while back. Here's the video on it: th-cam.com/video/u4FJHBc8uEg/w-d-xo.html
Can you do a review of the price drops for the Toyota Supras .
I'll have to check them out, I didn't realize they had dropped in price. Thanks!
I love these cheap car videos. Might explain why I'm seeing so many ARs here in the states now. Seems like a not great idea to be buying European luxury cars but I bought a civic what do I know.
I'm glad you like these videos!
What car shopping sites do you use? I'm a personal fan of CarGurus.
I like AutoTempest since it pulls from everywhere, but for the simplicity of these videos I use AutoTrader which I really like as well.
I drove one of these before, and for some reason it wasn't that fun for me and the base engine wasn't that exciting. Maybe my experience was skewed since I daily drove a miata haha
though I would still avoid the lemon law cars.
It's the steering and chassis dynamics that makes this car fun not the engine. It's the best luxury sports sedan chassis ever made imo. Im a miata guy as well.
When are we going to get a review with Matt in a Hat?! (I see them in the background hanging)
I tried it once in a review, back when I did the 2013 Chevy Malibu. Unfortunately I can't pull them off so the answer to your question is probably never unless fashion trends make them popular again lol.
@@MattMaranMotoring Why can't we have nice things... 😞 🤣
Hahaha
Hey Matt, these are great videos. Please continue to do these my friend! :)
Thanks, I'm glad you like them! I'll keep them up as long as I can find cars worth covering!
I grew up with Italian cars all around. The reason these 2017s go for so little is because after 5 years the problems start hard. You better be a good mechanic because no one will service them. I think I would rather have a bicycle.
These are not the Italian cars you grew up with. Trust me I owned 1990s era Alfas. The leap in quality blew my mind away the first time I drove my Stelvio
I’d love to see a video like this for Volvo V60 wagons
I'll look into them, only problem might be that there aren't a lot of them out there.
You got Walter Whites hat over there Matt?
Haha pretty much!
I’m purchasing one at the end of summer. I have my X5 E70 sport 4.8i needs fixing lol. Rear differential. Then selling it. I’m done with BMW.
Avoid the first model year, especially with a build date of 2016, they had a ton of problems. I Lemon-lawed mine. 😕
Thanks for sharing your experience! Sorry it wasn't a great one for you.
@@MattMaranMotoring
Ahh, but I didn't give up. My replacement car was a 2018 Giulia with far fewer problems. It went into "limp mode" a couple of times, but nothing major in fact it reset itself after one event. It's a beautiful car, handles well, perky acceleration, and most importantly it has analog gauges and is easy to use. 😉
I just realized, is that THE 2013 Chevy Malibu review hat hanging??
Haha it's on that rack but out of frame here. I have 6 of these hats and never wear any of them lol.
Dealers can’t sell these. A Volvo dealer I work a side hustle at had one of each and they both sat for 3-4 months before they gave up and wholesaled them.
But these arent the 500 horsepower quadri models right?
No, those are typically double the price of these.
the Quad models are the ones that have problems
The only downside of Alfa is the unpredictable reliability, plus non-existing dealerships!
In North Texas there are only 3 Alfa dealerships, which is less than Mitsubishi…
I'm thankful I have 3 within 30 min of me.
There are currently 116 Alfa dealerships in the US and 105 Mini dealerships. It doesn't seem to stop people from buying Minis
Volvos too !!
I wouldn't mind trading in my 2020 Stinger GT for a Quadrifoglio.
Seven/eight year-old vehicles do drop in price, so why is anyone surprised?
I swear prices went up since this video lol
Cool looking cars, fun to drive, not reliable long term, lease it for 2 years and find something else, i see comments like "ive had mine for 4 years with no issues, super reliable" like nah fam you cant guage reliability in a 5 year span, give it a decade, one of my vehicles is an '03 toyota camry, now thats a fuckin reliable car lol 20 years old, 270k miles on her, only ever done basic stuff for maintaining a vehicle and have had zero issues, planning to either run her into thw ground or hit that half a millie mark on the odometer
Another super reliable car I own is a 2014 diesel jetta, dieselgate era babyyyy, love that thing, about to do a egr/dpf delete and tune that puppy up, gettin 60mpg highway right now and should be closer to 70 after delete and tune (more horses and torque too)
I’ve owned 11 Alfas in 21 years, had 1 bad experience in all that time.
Please stop comparing a car that's way more exciting to drive with a run of the mill Toyota. 2 very different beasts
BMW current reliability ratings are extremely high, ranked 3rd by consumer reports. I can’t see why someone would want a gulia over a 230 or 330i other than getting a good deal on a used model.
How about not driving what everyone else and their brother drives
Pretty much the same for similar year 3.6 Challengers.
yeah but those are basically rental cars
@@ciello___8307 ok.... I only made the comparison because they're identical cars.
@@rnt45t1 They are literally not the same AT ALL. The Giulia was engineered by Ferrari. Vastly superior drivers car.
I will wait for italian Jnk to drop to 10k lol. Then i will snag one
I bought a used 2017 Giulia TI 2 years ago and owned it for one year. I love Alfa and I will soon own my second BUT DO NOT BUY A FIRST YEAR MODEL PLEASE. I had countless issues with mine. Coolant temp sensor wiring failed, oil pump failed, trunk button failed, car would shut off when turning off cruise control and random limp modes frequently. Beautiful car but please don’t buy a first year. There’s a reason they’re so cheap. Sincerely a former Alfa onwer
Thanks for sharing your experience!
No one wants to repair them that’s the issue no one wants to service them
My buddy just traded his wife's Stevio in for another one and then found out the Turbo was shot on the old one, he's friends with the SA, so that's how he found out. Another buddy has one now and it gets that light on the dash that's a lightning bolt, goes into limpmode and the batteries in these things SUCK. A TH-cam guy I follow, Auto-Fanatic, had a Guilia QV and it left him on the side of the road one too many times, sold it and bought a M3 right away!
Just sayin'🤔
Right, I mentioned before, these vehicles have quality control issues with weak drive trains. Some people have had semi-decent experiences, but if you look at the overall vehicle ratings itself through consumer reports and vehicle complaints, there’s quite a few of them that follows a trajectory with this specific brand. Looks can be deceiving, given that this is a unique looking car, but it just leaves a lot to be desired when you don’t have an extended warranty and paying out of pocket for a semi sub-par junky drivetrain. Hard pass.
Thanks for sharing those experiences! This comment section is really helpful to see what real-world experiences owners are having, both the good and the bad.
It is not a bargain if the car is a lemon and needs maintenance more than you can drive it
Did you own one to know this or is this just third party gossip you spreading?
No matter how many good reliability reports there are id still get a 3rd party warranty for good measure
Alfa will only take Mopar and Alfa Care warranties
Don’t buy an Alfa, I did & it nearly broke me! I shudder when I think back! No matter how cheap they become, they’re still not worth it!
Fake news
Are you ok with having a “little”more RISK? 😂 I get you I really do, I agree as well. However IF I’m buying a Giulia it will most likely be a garage queen and only come out in the summer months.
Buyers will find out real quick why these Alfas are so cheap. 🤭
I like these new format videos but I'll pass on the fiats.. uh.. alfas
My main concern with the Alfa, Romeo line, is, there’s a lot of quality control issues, especially with the drivetrain. They look sharp, and I’ve heard some good things, but ultimately the repair costs, quality control issues with the drive train system, and the fact that dealerships are relatively few, and far between, is one of the main reasons why the cost have dropped on those specific vehicles. Not only that, but cars in general are a dying breed when ‘crossovers’ are taking over.
Only see this "quality control issues" on USA, very tipical lies, this cars are great!
the base motor is known to be a lot less trouble free. honestly not a bad value if you want to get a sport sedan. I would definitely get the warranty though
I have one best car ever owned if you are looking BUY ONE.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
You take it to the dealer???
@Alex Amorin yesssir all service records there I have a warranty 5 year.
@@johnwall9967 how many miles
@@PsycheKahr91 mine has 48k why what's up
Buy it from Carmax with extended warranty!
There's none listed in Carmax.
They are ok, but the leases aren’t that great.