Jess Phillips: 'People talk to me more about Gogglebox than Brexit' | Owen Jones's general election
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- Jess Phillips has only been an MP for a couple of years and already she's campaigning in her second general election, which she says nobody seems to want. I went to join her on the campaign trail to talk about the issues being brought up on the doorstep, including Brexit, immigration and the housing crisis.
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So many shots in this video looks like Jess Phillips walking her son home from school.
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I don't always agree with everything Jess Philliips says, but I do passionately believe that the Labour Party needs more people like her i.e. down-to-earth, ordinary people that normal voters can relate to.
Believe me ordinary people cant relate to a minger like Jess Phillips.
I cannot stand Jess Phillips. Awful.
She says Brexit is not a doorstep issue and then says the biggest issues are immigration and lack of housing...
I know what you mean but none of those relate to the actual components of Brexit.
Jess Phillips: "He knows literally, everybody"
Habib: "Well, not literally."
Ha ha ha ha.
Look at Owen with his rucksack. Looks like his first day at high school.
Adidas the name comes from the founders name Adolf Dassler, ironic ?
Mr Burns High School? Alright Uncle Sam.
I'm from Britain. My high school was called a high school.
"People who vote Labour are a lot more tribal."
Well, I can't think of a more rousing condemnation of Labour voters than that!
I was a Labour party member and then quit and joined the Liberals because of Brexit. However, hearing Tim Farron say he won't work with Tories to try and mitigate their policies on brexit and other policies there is now no point to vote Liberal because they don't want to do anything to halt a Tory rampage. Furthermore hearing the Labour manifesto has brought me back to Labour, I think its exciting, achievable and can be paid for.
Owen Jones Despite being a bit negative in the past I admire her tenacity and steel.I think she has a big future in the Labour Party.I certainly wish she was my MP rather than the ineffectual Tory in my constituency(Hendon).
I really like Owens' relationship with Jess Phillips and Jacob Rees Mogg, both have got to be two of my favourite MPs. Even though I really don't like labour, Jess Phillips is the kind of MP I want to win. One that genuinely seems to care, even if I don't agree with many of her ideas. Also its so uncannily true what she said about 'pavement politics' being one of the most important things for people!
Didnt know you were in Yardley. Hope you enjoyed it here.
It's not surprising people don't want to talk about Brexit because nobody has the answers.. Who knows how the future will shape out
"Labour voters are much more tribal" ... labour was the party of Scotland for over a hundred years. Withing a space of 10 years labour are almost non existent in Scotland
Think she was talking about her own constituency. In any event, things like that kind of sea change happen rarely, but when they do happen they tend to be seismic. As the famous book, "The Strange Death of Liberal England" describes, many parts of the UK were tribally Liberal until the Labour Party replaced them. Nevertheless, things are changing and people are nowhere near as tribal as they once were
"future for Labour"
ah that's adorable.
The manifesto (For the many) contains a lot of things that ought to be done.
I would happily vote for Jess Phillips. If she was wrong to criticize Corbyn as leader then Labour will win the general election in June. She is committed, honest and credible. She fights for what she believes in and succeeds in representing ordinary, oppressed and disadvantaged people. No ideological notions that either won't work or won't get support - just real politics.
'If she was wrong to criticize Corbyn as leader then Labour will win the general election in June.'
On the contrary, it's precisely *because* of the efforts of people like her within the PLP to sabotage Corbyn's leadership that Labour almost certainly won't win in June.
'No ideological notions that either won't work or won't get support - just real politics.'
Corbyn's ideological notions would work a lot better and, I think you'll find, have a lot more popular support than what we've been trying for the last three-and-a-half decades or more - a set of ideological notions that manifestly haven't worked in any sense, have little popular support and which, incidentally, Jess Phillips and her Labour right-wingers cling to stubbornly.
Thank you for your reply. I agree, personally, that there is a great deal to reform in our political/economic system, however, I think where we collide is on where the responsibility lies for Corbyn's failed leadership. Just to provide some context I voted for Corbyn in the first leadership round, however soon after learned that he may not win the GE - something I couldn't believe at first! This made me question whether or not he should lead the party...
Why wouldn't other member's of Labour party, who disagree with Corbyn's far left, radical views, need to challenge him? They are representing people in the country who have no interest in such ideas as anti Trident and even anti austerity. I understand the advantage of the PLP appearing to be in support of Corbyn but I believe they consider the reality of their constituents' views, which do not in fact relate to socialism. It would be easy for Corbyn and his supporters to place responsibility away from themselves.To say that the media and other politicians are criticizing them unfairly and that most people would support them. However, its clear that the far-left membership, who elected Corbyn, do not represent the country at large - a group of people who are primarily in the centre ground of politics. To lead the Labour party to government the task is to lead both sides of the party, not just the far left.
keep knocking on door and building long lasting relationships in-between elections is always the answer. I personally believe people vote for people they know and understand more than political parties
? I have stood in 5 local elections for UKIP and you are correct.
"People talk more to me about Gogglebox" Perhaps that's a reflection of the quality of debate people expect to get from you Jess????
some good points.
Hey Owen! My wife's boyfriend loves your channel!
Lol you be surprised how many lobour tribalist would take your joke literally
Now that was funny!
Interesting comments about how people aren't really talking about brexit. Hopefully people are more willing to listen to the policies and issues
When May became prime minister i saw a lot of people complaining she was unelected and wasn't doing the brexit negotiations right, now they have a chance to vote in whoever they want to do the brexit negotiations the same people are still complaining, make up your fucking minds
Objectionable this is a democracy with freedom of speech we're allowed to criticise the leader and her government you absolute
Your friendly neighborhood Nigerian price theres a guy due in court soon (might have happened already) charged with making a joke about nazis so no we don't have free speech, id like it if we did but we don't, but since you seem to be on the side of free speech your reply makes no sense, I'm allowed to say make up your minds and I never said anyone couldn't criticise anyone, I don't know what your problem is
big up Fast Pitts Road 😂😂
Don't understand why she doesn't want an election and the opportunity (although slim) for Labour to get rid of the Tories.
She's still part of the team whether it's her dream team and best prep or not.
Owen I wrote a comment 24hrs ago saying how now I am going to vote Labour. Well, now, I think am going back to the Liberals because of the referendum offer in there manifesto and there policies are still to the left. To be honest I expect to change my mind again before the 8th June.Therefore,I think it would be good if you did a video comparing Labour and Liberal policies and exploring their predicted impact on the country whilst also covering brexit territory and foreign policy. Thanks I know you put a lot of effort in your videos and you must find it hard to find to make them but I do think that would be a good topic.
By the power of grey skull???? That alone means I am absolutely voting Labour!
Ok, also extra NHS, education and social spending, re-nationalisation of failing infrastructure and utilities, reduced small business tax, banning zero-hour contracts and unpaid internships, free insulation for disabled veterans, 10k more police officers (after a 20% reduction while May was home sec, thanks), 100,000 new homes and 4k homes for the homeless... but mainly the He-Man reference.
"Tory voters will vote around but people who vote Labour are a lot more tribal"
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Absolute nonsense. Has she ever heard of the Home Counties.
True but i think she was talking about the Tories in her constituency.
Think she was talking about her own constituency.
Phillips and Jones : Now that'll be one left leaning love child 🤔
BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULLLLLLLLLL
Owen! Owen! Owen! Please! Please! Please can you make a video interviewing Steven Keen or somebody similar describing the banking system and relating it to the soundbite idea of the economy being like a household budget, you touched on it in one of your videos, the subject is so important it is at the backbone of the marketing the Tories use to
persuade people to vote for them. The issue would sway many voters or at least make them question austerity. Thanks. Al
I like what I've seen about Jess Phillips and her agreeable personality, but this was filmed before her party's recent Armageddon. I'll bet Brexit is coming up now.
Love it. Different, which made it interesting. But got to admit I do like Jess Phillips.
is there any value in separating those MP's that are against Corbyn from those who are against his. policies?
Simon Piotrowski Not at this stage.
Kathy Bramley true. I guess I asked the question since many of the comments below are bitterness and anger. all that being said labour manifesto is fucking great.
Simon Piotrowski 😊😊😉
why is the canvassing not done at the food bank where MPs justify the need for a food bank and the reason for depravity in a community.
Loved it. Great to see and listen to real people not celebrities.
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I would vote for Jess but not if she turned up with Owen Jones.
Am I the only one who thought Owen's laughing in this video was incredibly over the top?
My ears did when I filming and editing it. That's been toned down.
do you colour grade these videos? Not trying to be rude, but always look a bit flat to me.
If I have time. I shot this one in s-log (first time I'd used it) and then wanted to give it a proper boost but was under pressure to get an edit out for the guardian. I gave it a very quick go over but didn't have enough time for a proper grade.
I like her, shame politicians aren't more like her
TDYLN I like her style. I don't know if I agree with her on everything and I don't know if gentle conflict or laboured listening is her thing, though it's harder in real life she obviously does canvass and do parliament and all sorts. And that's her prerogative and more so just part of the style I like as well.
Jess Phillips is top
The fact that people would sooner talk about Gogglebox than Brexit, kinda sums up why this country is fucked/ The most popular show on TV is a show about watching people watching TV.
Next there will be a show where people watch themselves watching Gogglebox
Owen, 232 Labour MPs were elected in 2015, why not interview some of them? I honestly don't think many of your subscribers care much about what Jess is up to right now.
I think it would have been better if JessPhillips had stopped talking about tribalism and gardens but instead talked about things that really matter to working class people, jobs (real jobs), the NHS, education etc...
and that
I don’t like when they knock on people’s doors.. it’s too intrusive
I think as an individual MP Jess has done some great things, especially the work on domestic violence. I would like male victims like myself to at least be acknowledged that we exist in that debate, it the work she has done for female victims has been a big step forward.
Mmm. We donate half our monies raised in the non political non partisan Shipley Feminist Zealots to CALM when we deliver cake and try to keep Phillip Davies accountable in the constituency. But there's a question about whether we're looking like appeasers and diluting our message - a bit like the Labour Party and the immigration mug I think though it's never been mentioned that I have heard being outside of any party, being full of a mix of libdems, social anarchists, labour supporters, non political people and in theory any conservative anti-Davies ppl.
The Labour Party has always been supposed to be a broad church while representing the interests of "labour" - of the many in a humanised way, and also beyond the reaches of workplaces where unions can't go. And also involving a range of theorists and allies from all classes.
Philip Davies says he represents women's interests and mens interests, but he talks down bills about hospital parking charges after saying he stands up for carers (he argued it was a bad bill but there were other opportunities for scrutiny and he isn't a God in parliament, but consistently with his gambling industry links he sees his role as taking what power he can get, seeking rather ruthlessly to game the rules of parliament): despite his protestations and filibustering, the Istanbul convention specifically mentions male victims of domestic violence. The stats are still disproportionate and that's why it's giving a proportional representation to those issues, especially considering historical patriarchy. It is representative of considerable progress overall that Davies recourse against feminism is to play the equality card, badly. But that progress was not gained by the likes of him.
I don't know all the ins and outs of what's being done politically. All I know is, my boyfriend would goto church on Sundays, hear all the anti gay messages, come home, take it all out on me, then apologise the next day. On the 'final' Sunday, he decided to use a piece a skirting board and smack me round the head abit with it. When the hospital convinced me to let them call the police, the police arrived and once they established that my boyfriend wasn't as tall as me, I was told It would be advisable to learn to defend myself. I then heard the words "man up for gods sake" as they chuckled down the corridor.
So all I know is, the police didn't give a damn, only my brother did when he found out what was going on.
Adam, you put the tin lid on the thing. Male on male violence in general is much higher than male on female violence. If it's any help to you I have a gay friend whose drug addict boyfriend stabbed him in the stomach before doing a bunk. The case was handled by the Met. and despite being so messy what with a big age gap,drugs involved, he-said he-said and so on my friend had nothing but the highest praise for the cops. So maybe things are changing, or maybe my friend got lucky - but more probably because my friend is well educated and the boyfriend not so much. Class again. Any way I hope that gives you some comfort that things might not always be as bad for other people as they were for you.
So yes ALL violence needs highlighting. And poor male kids do more of it than most other people, and are the primary suffers from that violence. Primacy should NOT be given to Violence Against Women. Agreed.
Adam I'm sorry that happened to you. I am really sorry that happened.
How come there's no attack helicopter MPs?
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Having lived basically my whole life in Birmingham, I think Jess Phillips would communicate really well with a lot of brummies. Whilst there's a place for policy wonks and ideologues - which many people watching this video might find more engaging - in Westminster, it's important to have representatives who can speak with people who don't give a crap about Karl Marx.
pjbainzo93 as someone who loves policy and economics stuff I totally agree. labour do need to shake things up, they couldn't just keep doing the same stuff. hopefully new ideas will come about
pjbainzo93 What about idealologues who haven't really given a crap about Karl Marx. He's always been one of many inspirations, with varying roles for various people. The tradition or very loose terminology of Marxism isn't at all 100% verbatim singularly interpreted fundamentalist literalist cult worship, it's progressed like most social theory. And tbh it's highly insulting and questionable, not necessarily because Marx is all crap, but it's similar to assigning all social concern or say sacrifice to Jesus, seeing Christ types in all literature: there's a conservative rhetoric by which this one partly respectable figure of leftwing historical thought is made into a hypercritical weirdly hyperbolic branding smear. It's ridiculous! And we all need to work against this high dudgeon. If Marxism is a religion it's cultish and intolerant to turn Marx into some all powerful force majure carcrash Antichrist, it's also isn't respectful of party members and people who have made a lot of inroads under that inspiration, also if it isn't a religion or cult then maybe it's high time we stop treating it like one.
pjbainzo93 We need to show respect to each other in the party, and to people and to the sanctity and reality of ideas generally: unless you don't care about unity, safety or sense. Because there's a wing of the party that's very incautious about high powered outsiders and glitz and glamour and in accepting the heirarchy narratives that do great disservice to the many. At the same time they also seem ready to give in and insult them as herding animals on stampede and listen to whatever is said uncritically without debates and negotiations with everybody. They reduce people to mugs. Sorry - couldn't resist that pun.
Hi, thanks for your comment. Apologies if my comment came across as flippant. It was only intended to illustrate that the vast majority of people are not into their political theory, and was not intended to equate all leftisit thinking with Karl Marx, although I can see how it may have come across that way. It was also not meant to be adversarial to anyone who is a fan of Marx in the slightest (myself included). im not a member of the labour party, but I agree that the labour party should be striving for unity. Apologies if my comment went against that sentiment.
Was worried a lumbering buffooon with long hair and a moustache like myself might be more detrimental to the cause knocking on doors but now after watching this... need to do it
Jess Phillips is such an amazing person and I wish she was the prime minister rather than Theresa May. Ms Phillips is doing such a brilliant job with her feminist views and tackling sexism against women and I commend her.
I'll tell you something for nothing, they better not come to my door.
Did Davies hate disabled people or women or relatives/carers of the hospitalised, or anybody getting statutory help with intimate partner violence, or people in bad housing situations, foreigners, when he attacked related movements, bills and rights? He wants to help everybody escape from the tyranny of bad and unnecessarily divisive "lunatic" legislation and movements apparently! He and his supporters say so. Why wouldn't Jess Phillips on Men's Day be at least slightly the same?
Jess saying about the Labour Party being reunited whatever happens after the 2017 elections.
She couldn't have been more wrong as much as I like Jess, I couldn't support her for leadership as I don't see her as an uniter, and then the fact she stepped down from the contest, speaks volumes.
Owen, please come to the Cardiff North constituency. Possible Labour gain from the Tories if we get out there. Think a video like this in Cardiff North might convince more people like me to campaign in the seat.
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"I did not want this election" - genuine question, was she one of the labour mps to vote for it in the commons?
you should totally come to stoke...you'll never see a more diverse range of views and opinions...most journalists I've seen tend to focus on Shelton (Near the train station) or Hanley (The shopping area) but there are so many other parts of the city to explore and the range of opinion is ridiculous...
Justice for Chelsey.
Smugness and stupidity... what can possibly go wrong.
New classic of chat up lines, wow!
Stallman Was Right!
Owen and Jess, such lovely, warm hearted, honest people who love and respect the working class.
I am excited about the election. Strength in diversity. This might be a bit more then blowing the doors off.
In my alma mater constituency, taking numbers outside the polling station in Ambergate, Amber Valley. It was outlying conservative voters in the general that were the most stable vote. They came out for the general automatically. That was why it just me sitting there, not a conservative teenager, they didn't have to get their vote out. Though perhaps that process is a bit creepy and self defeating stalkerish. But at the same token, some family won't ever not vote Labour. I've voted Plaid Cymru in Wales and Greens here in Shipley, West Yorkshire in council elections, and my councillors are Green. But generals, similar here to Amber Valley, a little bit anyway. And the conservative wards in the constituency and the more rural areas bring out their conservative vote in general elections.
I'm not sure how wide the family is, and there's great aunts that don't get on and only see each other but don't speak at big dos, but will sometimes drop that eventually. Time will tell.
Not all families stay together or if they do not happily.
I liked the idea of the film. But it can't always be like the heartwarming film. Sometimes that's the film we're watching when it seems like everything's falling apart.
As I say I think there's hope. The trend in polling, the nurse conference, the reception to the referendum - the successful and yet very traditional short phrase. Not one of mine lol, but I like it! Even Corbyn saying he's not a pacifist - personally disappointing plus point for the electorate. It's looking good. I just wish there were pollsters and journalists and more people drenching this entire constituency of Shipley more ways. But I am still kinda hopeful for Steve Clapcote. Dragonboat winning team for the Sunday. We know surprising things can happen!!
I wouldn't mind if Sophie won. But I am still hoping for Steve.
Music Lover He's not the first or last politician to try engaging with the Middle East in various ways, working with the complexity. Things get said and done, like with the bullingdon club, when people are young and bent on living their values: anti colonialism and wild negotiation to process the angst and toxin of Northern Ireland and bring them to the table could be understandable in my book, but it is actual lives involved and does make uncomfortable reading. We look at news from far away and try to identify heroes and villians but it's rarely that simple. I am thoroughly ashamed of English oppression of Ireland and wish positive community, I think Corbyn does too. And McDonnell. All my life I have been thoroughly ashamed of our nations past in many ways even while living family friends and neighbours and bonded with many things about our culture and history. But it's very important not to let blind nationalism set a price on our own protection and continued relative privileges as a nation above those of other people. To justify that would be to stand with every bigot who ever mowed down a person in Ireland or abroad in the name of King/Queen and country, in my name. Not in my name.
andy mane Have you read privilege 101 of the many versions available on the Internet also what I am ashamed of is my own business, my awareness and relation to injured suspicious or judging parties, and shame is barely always chosen anyway. It's a feeling. And yet it is one I choose, I still benefit from the privileges acted and built up and hurts are still active: "other people did it too" - like the Belgians in Congo for example- that was never an excuse in school. Also European colonialism was something exercised by individual countries but not done in isolation. Corporate responsibility is also a thing and if my family owned Nazi gottenloot I'd be ashamed and want to give it back and indeed our country still holds many national treasures of other countries and business backed by Britain and it's diaspora or influenced tend to be at roots of many bad things
Kathy Bramley Did the brown muslim men in Rotherham have privilege over the white working class females that became their victims..
Kathy Bramley.. Do you think the arabs have guilt because of the arab slave trade...If so why are they so proud of their past and their slavery??
Is it because they are muslims and the people of Britain are (or were) Christian and therefore slightly more forgiving and progressive?
I love elections, we need another one soon
@Daniel Clark Clark we need another this tory gov is espically horrendous
Hey Owen!! I love your TH-cam channel. You deal with many important issues regarding politics, society and so on. Your videos are really interesting.
Richard burgon labour MP is trying to tell kirsty wark what questions to ask,he then can't tell her if students won't pay there students fees this year , just answer the questions and then people might believe they can be in power
Oscar Wao haha you said this to someone else as well, I have never read that in my life but I might give it a read now just to see what it says ,I use to vote labour but they never listened to normal guy's and girl's in Scotland, they had taken the whole of labour voting Scotland for granted, listen if labour MP's can't even answer the questions a reporter asks your in trouble,it was about students the question was will students pay any fees this year if labour is in power ?? simply question couldn't answer come on simply questions he just looked bad ,a Abbott moment !!!
edited audio at 56. wonder what she actually said
Unless I've missed one of your videos you've been rather quiet on the concept of progressive alliances. So, whaddya reckon dear Owen?
Labour women. They always clear up the mess.
May be they have made there minds up about Brexit
Tribal politicians/commentators are partisan. An oxymoron to democracy. Interesting interview as always, Owen. Jess is not the brightest of candidates for member of parliament but heart is very much in the right place and Westminster needs a good mix of people to represent the citizenship (who judging on many of the comments below are "a bit thick" while at the same time get easily offended. Or do male egos tend to bruise easily these days...)
Hi everyone! I've been asked to do videos with a range of MPs during the election campaign: lined up, we have Angela Rayner, Clive Lewis and Keir Starmer. As you can see, there's no putting the boot into the Labour leadership here, which the rest of the media have covered to be honest. For those saying they want Labour MPs they disagree with to lose: you do realise that will mean a Tory landslide, right?
Owen Jones nobody wants that they're just venting frustration because it's deserved for people like her who have acted counter productive during Corbyns entire tenure, even in this video she insults labour voters by calling them tribal in comparison to the tory voters. How are we going to get a centre left labour elected when the MPs won't accept it?
can you do theresa may????????
"Can you do Theresa May" ?
I think he is gay tbh
Lol
UR3ANFISH She could turn him out no? 😂
arguing against a progressive alliance means a Tory landslide, you tribalistic tit
FAST PITTS ROAD HAHA.
Calm down Owen son.
Owen - what do you think of all the dodgy and potentially sinister stuff surrounding Cambridge Analytica, and political targeted advertising? There seems to be no general consensus about it on the left.
1:28 labour admitting they don't want to be in power
This traitor would rather have frarage in power than corbyn
What's the future for Labour, now you know.
There is NO time that you don't really have to do anything you silly rabbit even in that bit between Christmas and New Years
Labour used to stand for the working man but that is now not the case.I voted Labour all my life religiously until 2010,but I've now realised that Labour bankrupts the country then the Tories have to come in and sort the mess out.They say they will leave the EU but what they want is to keep payments stay in single market and be ruled over by European courts, so they want to leave in name only that's not what we voted for.On Trident the whole point of a nuclear deterrent is to say that you would use it to deter people from attacking you,Jeremy Corbyn can't do that and is an IRA sympathiser, Diane Abbott in charge of MI5 is laughable not to mention John McDonnell is a Marxist.I could go on as I feel so strongly on these subjects,Labour are not fit for power.
Simon Quinn Debts gone up during the conservative governments since Blair...
Simon Quinn They're somehow getting less done with what they're getting. Rising inequality has long been an issue, not tied to either party very securely; but don't kid yourself what end the conservative party is hindering and which it's raising up.
Yes trying to sort out the mess that Labour left the country in do you remember the notes that were left for thew new government after Labour sorry there's no money left
While it is important for Jess Phillips to be elected at this stage, she (along with the majority of Labour MPs) will be the major obstacle in pushing the manifesto if Corbyn and McDonnell win. This is just the first stage of a long battle for worker's rights.
MA TE R IA LI ST Let's all pull together in rhythm now.
Stop rushing to the post-election phase. There's nothing to be gained for Labour by wishing the next few weeks away and getting back to the next round of infighting.
My chucking bins!! What can I say that hasn't been said before?erofeb dias neeb t'nsah taht yas I nac tahW !!snib gnikcuhc yM
this didnt age well
I am a non binary, Gender fluid, left handed battygirl
Happy IDAHOBIT. 🎁🎆🎆🎆
Dr Watson But don't do yourself down by calling yourself a batty girl unless you _are_ proudly reclaiming it. Probably best saved for a particular kind of space, old school humour, wrestling that toxic shit down.
Dr Watson it's not that your 'did you just assume my blender" style joke isn't funny on some level, but it's p clear you think respecting gender identity is the joke lmao
don't worry jess i wouldn't even vote for you :3
Thank you Owen, you're doing a great service.
Really? To who?
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PS when can we stop using the 'David and Goliath' metaphor? Guy was a slinger, Goliath was dead before he even knew it. xD
She'd be a massive loss to women. I wish her well
A massive loss of weight to women
Well this didn't age well did it.
Everyone just wants a more peaceful life? Sorry jess some people have a little more aspiration than enjoying a crap Christmas movie, and for having aspersions and a work ethic you want to tax the livinng bejesus out of them.
It's hardly surprising that Gogglebox is the current of intellectual wattage Jess Phillips constituency could produce.
no bias here.
Did you watch to the end?
Owen Jones I've finished watching it.
I do realise that the report set out with a view, that's fine. I don't need to pay any attention to it because it's not aimed at me.
I am a leave voter.
Love Jess Phillips
Sorry but I cant watch her anymore. She has contributed towards the internal damage. Her credibility is gone!
fallyhag At least that is honest and dignified and a bit pleasant.
o jeez lovely comments so far - jezza is millband + maybe 1%? nothing much wrong with manifesto - not as radical as the newspapers or jezza pretends - but it is 2017 there is a thing called the internet and people dont want to work for "bosses" anymore - so not a manifesto mostly for the future but one that pings some soundbites - good luck mately boi - just hope lovely people survive it
Not exactly dignified is she
"BoboDoboRobo" Shadilay
BoboDoboRobo Obviously the most important thing forv a lady on your universe!?
Rahhhhhhhhhhhh
Quite an important thing for any politician tbh. You kinda want them to take themselves and their job pretty seriously
Jesss Phillips Risky very risky 😜
Oh please boys. You'd be eaten for breakfast by either of them.
Kathy Bramley very true 😜
stop interfering in private life that's Wat we don't like
Campaigning on the doorsteps of her constituency is very admirable. And all to keep her job under a leadership she doesn't support. A man who's supported by a large proportion of the party. And whose policies are welcomed by a huge proportion of the country. But keep quiet about the positives. Just keep trotting out the divided and despondent theme.
It's seems strange she's standing again given how much she doesn't agree with the membership's choice of leader and the direction the membership want to go in. And in that lies the Labour Party membership's problem. She's currently a Labour Party MP, but she doesn't support the Labour Party's wishes. And more bizarrely she's not the exception, she's the rule. The PLP stopped being socialist over two decades ago, but no one sent out the memo so most of the membership never realised. And for the ones that did it was too late.
I'd urge everyone to vote for the best placed candidate to defeat the local Tory, with the exception of UKIP (obviously). I hope that Labour can win a majority and form the next Government. But if the likes of Owen Jones manage to talk them down to the point the Tories win by a large majority I hope that many of the CLPs wake up and clean house. Because by the next election the people of the country will be begging for a strong and stable alternative. :D
lol politwinks
Well I wouldn't employ her.
Owen I do love how you will chat to anyone. But honestly people like Jess Phillips will do more to turn people off Labour than almost any other politician. You are unwise to have extremists repping Labour right now when so many conservatives are desperate for the kind of progressive policies Corbyn is offering but they are unsure about Labour because of the MPs he's sharing a party with.
This has subtitles now. Sorry for the delay on them!
It'd be clever to see more about your opinions on the chinese " Belt and Road initiative " reaction.
*OWEN JONES I have followed you and Russell Brand since the Ed Miliband won the Labour leadership. I'd really love a response. Because this one-time political enthusiast is turning quickly apathetic.* What I find very frustrating is that politicians from the so-called left and their supporters in the public, seem to articulate a politics that does not help bridge ideological camps and communicates a message that if you do not agree with everything the SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens or support any policies that come from Centre-Left you are evil.
I am one of the many millions who benefited from the 1997 Labour Party. My parents were able to afford to undertake Adult learning while working thanks to working tax credits, giving them the chance to become Senior managers and get into the property ladder. My crumbling primary school was rebuilt in time for my younger brother to attend. I no longer had to worry about IRA terrorist blowing my parents up on their way to work in London thanks to the Good Friday Agreement. I could imagine the day I could marry my boyfriend because of Civil Unions and LGBT rights. I could breathe a little easier and have hope my Asthma would not get worse thanks to the smoking ban and changing attitudes towards climate change. On so many issues, big and small. New Labour made a difference. Yes I fully accept there were massive problems with it, some I'd even argue criminal like the Iraqi invasion. But I cannot arrest Blair, Bush or change history. I can only look at the situation presented to me and vote accordingly.
Yet whenever I debate with my friends age 30 or under, the only thing they mention is the evil Tories, the Iraq War and Tony Blair. I have been blocked by left-wing people on Twitter just because I support the principle of military intervention in *very rare* occasions like Kosovo, Rwanda or Syria in order to prevent massacres but I am literally told to my face by friends who vote say the SNP, Greens and (Jeremy's) Labour I am a War criminal. Regardless of any nuance in my evidence-based reasoning, like wishing to military intervene after a crime against humanity has been committed and it has international support etc. But the debate spirals out of control and you're made to feel like you ordered a nuclear bombing of a civilian population. Not a multilateral international coalition of nations and organisations enforcing a no fly zone in Syria, for example. It's all just black or white.
My point question is, do you not think it's time for commentators with influence like yourself to take the poison out of the debate on the left and centre-left. Yes, people may not blindly follow your politics but I'd argue they are at least influenced and have their views reinforced by it. Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens, SNP and Plaid Cymru are putting constitutional debates like Independence or foreign issues like nukes ahead of a greater goal. They are acting exactly how the Tory Right want. Why not suspend the civil war on the left/centre-left for the greater good of the UK? why not do what France and Austria did and take on the Right-Wing? Because calling for a Progressive Alliance while the SNP, Plaid Crymu and Greens bicker among themselves on Question Time and in Parliament is not a winning strategy.
erzan I agree new labour were better than the tories. There's no doubt they implemented more progressive policies.
I do have a big problem with Blair and the new Labour project. Maybe Thatcher herself put it best when she called Blair her biggest achievement. In a way it was, Blair was a tacit acceptance of Thatcher's and the Conservatives economic policy. It's this I have the biggest problem with.
Whilst there were some good policies implemented under new labour inequality still rose. The rich continued to become richer, the poor poorer. The selling off of the state, the increase of private debt, the wars all continued under Blair. In my opinion a policy which continues to exacerbate the inequality in this country will hurt everyone in it. I can't support it anymore. And I will support Corbyn, first and foremost because of his policy, I don't actually think he is that an effective leader.
But, I can see exactly what you are saying and I think it is true. There are a section of the 'left-wing' who know nothing but to attack others who are not of their opinion. I don't think this is anything other than typical human behaviour and 'group-think'. It could relate to any topic, in this case it is about left-wing politics. These people are undermining themselves but are too short-sighted to understand it.
We may disagree but you have been respectful and earnest and I think you should be treated in the same way, whatever the differences.
If only more 'die hard' fans, on the left and centre-left could be this understanding. Let me make clear what I did not do in my first comment, the same issue I have with *some* (again I am not trying to generalise, its just sadly the die hard fans of any issue are the more vocal and aggressive one's) left-wing people I also have with centre-left people too. I have equally given up trying to explain to people who do not appreciate the problems with New Labour and it's failures on narrowing economic inequality and going too far with military intervention, for example the Iraq War.
The thing is I have been a Labour member since I was 15. 10 years later and I allowed my membership to stop. Because this in-fighting from both ideological camps is just extremely hard to navigate and get things done. I have been called 'a dirty red tory' to my face and constantly laughed at for merely suggesting there were some good things achieved by Labour like devolution that gave the chance for progressive politics in Scotland, Wales and London to flourish today. How does the Labour Party expect to win anything with activist like this?
Do you not think, until we get PR voting if the left/centre-left is going to want to gain Parliamentary power we are going to have to work out how we stop issues like independence and military intervention to not divide us? lol, like a non-aggression pact. I was really hoping after the SNP lost (I honestly do feel sorry for them, I am a Unionist but I don't take pleasure in people losing, especially supporters of the SNP who I agree with on basically 95% of the issues) they could morph into the German version of the Bavarian regional party that works with Angela Merkel's Christian party.
But instead? we (I mean we as in the left/centre-left) returned to talking about independence and trident. Meanwhile? The Tories rise in the polls and are about to win a massive majority. People like me are sitting back thinking, how is this a Progressive Alliance? it's actually, rather like *drum rolls* a coalition of chaos. It's just working in the Tories interest. Sigh...
erzan I think there are a good few reasons why this schism has developed and why it will probably continue. These are a few brief thoughts.
FPTP doesn't help matters as I think it holds members together who are pulling in opposing directions.
If you want to reach a consensus it is wise that the 'leaders' of the movement provide a good example. They have provided the exact opposite example. I'm disgusted with the behaviour of MP's who decided they didn't like a democratic result and would attempt to overthrow it. They have no respect for democracy nor their members.
I am not meaning to excuse the abuse you have had, it isn't right but moreover it's self-defeating. I can't think of many people who are won over by accusations and finger-pointing. But, I think Corbyn and the left of the Labour party, who have been treated with diadain have now developed a siege mentality and a hyper-sensitivity to attack. Since a lot of the attacks in the press and others are ridiculous, 'communist', 'marxist' etc. they have become almost radical themselves. I'm trying to explain it, not condone it. As I said, ultimately it does not help build bridges or support.
I don't agree that Labour are left and centre-left, I think those that would continue a policy of inequality and more foreign invasions would be better at home with a progressive tory wing. Or the lib-dems. I don't buy the idea prevalent in most media that tacitly accepts the neo-liberal economic consensus. I think there should be a clear line.
You are for inequality or against it. you are in, or out. I would argue, as Owen Jones himself has, that there has been a shift ever rightwards of policy and what is deemed by the press as acceptable variations of that and what is considered 'pie-in-the-sky' , 'it'll never happen'. This drift has been going on for before I was born. And we are now in a situation were austerity for the masses is fine, whilst massive cuts in taxes for the already wealthy is considered normal. All the whilst throwing bombs which shed not only blood but riches too at whomever won't play ball with us overseas. All this and our media doesn't question the sense of any of it.
my own view is that I do support Corbyn whilst having reservations. His handling of the media and general performance in it is not inspiring. But it's the best manifesto by the labour party I have had the chance to vote for, and by a long, long way.
so I will.
you were great on sky news mate. made hodges look like an establishment apologist.
To Jess Phillips: maybe if you spent more time countering right-wing media narratives instead of feeding into it, then perhaps Jeremy wouldn't be your lightning rod.