64: Pretty good Melee: God tier and absolutely hated Brawl: What's a Jigglypuff? 4: Ledge Ultimate: We don't really know what this pink puffball does. We know it exists and that it's bad but we don't exactly know what it does
I am I puff In every game. Allow me to explain 64: never played Melee: yeah u right Brawl: damn this character sucks Sm4sh: (´༎ຶོρ༎ຶོ`) Ultimate: hell yeah finally a character after 17 years
As a melee & ultimate jigglypuff main I can confirm and she’s pretty overrated, she got 1 buff that got her (IMO) to the top of low tier. To make her reliably good they really need to make her rest kill earlier
@@Amaling I fairly consistently hit rest, drill rest shouldn’t be 100% because it’s supposed to be a gamble/comeback-tool? but landing up-air and pound rest are quite consistent (for me) I hit them 19 out of 20 times. If you’ve ever played Melee you might understand why I would like rest to kill earlier. Just look into it.
@Agent Ombraura I like that explanation, people like Hbox (and myself) always try to push puff to her absolute best. There’s a technique for jigglypuff that’s called pivot landing which looks really cool and good but is really situational. Jigglypuff is not one of the worst characters, but she’s certainly still quite bad
17:15 holy crap look at how slow Jigglypuff’s turnaround animation was!! I’m so used to Ultimate now that I’d totally forgotten how bad it was in Smash 4!
I wish they would bring back that green bandanna. I do like the green sleeping cap they replaced it with, but I much preferred the bandanna. I don't play as Jigglypuff much anyway as I'm a Sonic main, but that's what I think when it comes to alts
Yeah I joined for a while (admitted in 2019) and it was an incomplete mess where the guides were made by no names and were disgustingly elementary. The biggest takeaway is that you already know how to improve by yourself, you just need to decide if you want to work for it
I actually enjoyed their guides, even though you're right, it feels like there's room for more content. But they also don't make it clear that you have to pay for a year in advance. Not only do they not have a monthly plan, they don't make that clear, and I don't recall seeing a total amount of $96 that I authorized. Shady company. Avoid!!!
@@liamconnor9235 Eh, I think both are mid, especially Kirby (bottom of mid at worst). But "pretty good" in Ultimate means mid tier. My rank scale is bad/ok/good/great/excellent. All Ultimate characters are at least ok.
Kirb is Low/mid tier and Jigglypuff is like bottom 5 in ultimate lol (Still way better than they were in Brawl and 4, plus Ultimate is much more balanced.)
puff is kinda bad but NOOOOOWHERE near how bad they were in brawl and smash 4. Also Kirby is high end of mid tier, y’all tripping. Puff is mid tier as well, but more towards the middle.
@Fastest Nigga Alive That would make sense, I’ll just wait for a while maybe they are just taking a break for a while because of Christmas and 2020 ending.
Strong back air hit box being at the tip of the foot would be the only buff she currently “needs” in ultimate. Could be kind of OP tho. Otherwise already pretty strong character
@@presion5628 theres always ways around swordies with puff but yeah those are probably her worst matchups. I feel like the only +2’s she has are Yoshi and Shulk maybe. Tbh ike doesnt win that hard
Do Bowser next! Every game he got better, and they treated him so good in ultimate. I will continue to come back here and annoy pro guides until they do it! His Smash 4 redesign gave him very good new qualities, and literally every aerial except fair was changed. His air and ground speed buffs were badly needed, and he's very good in ultimate because of all the start and end lag on aerials being cut in half. 3f instead of 8f jump squat, air side b starting up in 6 frames instead of 17, bigger hitboxes on nair, fair, and up tilt, armor on everything, fire turning from useless to absolutely overpowered, down smash actually being useful, and although the distance of up be recovery was nerfed, it got a better hitbox. Did I miss anything else? Bowser is awesome in ultimate.
She’s a soiled respectable mid tier with the right hands but sympathise with HBOX the developers decided that instead of buffing/revamping her kit in meaningful ways so to fit the smash ultimate’s mould whilst stying true to her legacy, they instead opted to buff her weak moves to make more rounded It’s the same story as the new smash ultimate’s heavyweights ranking lower then their veteran counterparts in the tierlists due to this “all rounder design > clear strengths and weaknesses “ design philosophy
Every body Agreed that pre patch diddy Kong is better than pre patch peach Except for E sports. For E sports their Placement and their reasons made no sense
Seriously, can somebody tell me why nobody chooses her in Ultimate? She's literally the same from Melee, except that Down B doesn't have too much knockback Her Up B is broken if you know when to use it
@@juu9039 Anyway, the hypocrisy That also happened with... well, all the characters that were good in the past, but then got nerfed Kirby, Fox, Falco, Marth, Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, Meta Knight, Peach, Bayonetta, Cloud and Pichu I will play my main Peach forever, no matter how she bad or good she is, because i like the moveset desing and concept, also the character itself
Did you know with puff if you do it right in smash 4 you can run up and rest without jumping or anything..... I did it to my friend for a while night after I discovered it, I would just wait till he wiffed a laggy move or until I landed a sing and then I'd casually run up and rest him.... It wasn't ok
@@equalsacone795 I have NEVER seen him playing Jigglypuff in Ultimate Anyway, the hypocrisy I will always play my main Peach, even if she gets nerfed like in Brawl lol
64: Pretty good
Melee: God tier and absolutely hated
Brawl: What's a Jigglypuff?
4: Ledge
Ultimate: We don't really know what this pink puffball does. We know it exists and that it's bad but we don't exactly know what it does
I am I puff In every game. Allow me to explain
64: never played
Melee: yeah u right
Brawl: damn this character sucks
Sm4sh: (´༎ຶོρ༎ຶོ`)
Ultimate: hell yeah finally a character after 17 years
As a melee & ultimate jigglypuff main I can confirm and she’s pretty overrated, she got 1 buff that got her (IMO) to the top of low tier. To make her reliably good they really need to make her rest kill earlier
@@MKsomething_ not make rest kill earlier, but rest setups be actually consistent. Also a combo throw would be nice
@@Amaling I fairly consistently hit rest, drill rest shouldn’t be 100% because it’s supposed to be a gamble/comeback-tool? but landing up-air and pound rest are quite consistent (for me) I hit them 19 out of 20 times. If you’ve ever played Melee you might understand why I would like rest to kill earlier. Just look into it.
@Agent Ombraura I like that explanation, people like Hbox (and myself) always try to push puff to her absolute best. There’s a technique for jigglypuff that’s called pivot landing which looks really cool and good but is really situational. Jigglypuff is not one of the worst characters, but she’s certainly still quite bad
"you could see high level puff dittos"
Two jigglypuffs just mashing air attacks on screen.
HYYPEE!!
17:15 holy crap look at how slow Jigglypuff’s turnaround animation was!! I’m so used to Ultimate now that I’d totally forgotten how bad it was in Smash 4!
@Healer Philantrophe I was wondering why her RAR feels impossible to pull off in Ultimate compared to Kirby
Last video this channel will ever make is a puff video. Consider that.
Alternate Title:
The Competitive History of Backair in Super Smash Bros
Fox = Shine
Falco = Neutral B
Marth = Forward Smash
Peach = Down B
Jigglypuff = Back Air
@@Cristeve i though she spammed back air... wait that ultimate
why they don’t upload anymore ?
i’m still waiting for another competitive history video
:D
Nice video, I like the explanation of King's jigglypuff
I wish they would bring back that green bandanna. I do like the green sleeping cap they replaced it with, but I much preferred the bandanna. I don't play as Jigglypuff much anyway as I'm a Sonic main, but that's what I think when it comes to alts
Please do not join their website. It's extremely bare bones and cash grabby, a bunch of their guides arent even finished yet. Don't waste your money.
Yeah I joined for a while (admitted in 2019) and it was an incomplete mess where the guides were made by no names and were disgustingly elementary. The biggest takeaway is that you already know how to improve by yourself, you just need to decide if you want to work for it
I actually enjoyed their guides, even though you're right, it feels like there's room for more content. But they also don't make it clear that you have to pay for a year in advance. Not only do they not have a monthly plan, they don't make that clear, and I don't recall seeing a total amount of $96 that I authorized. Shady company. Avoid!!!
Puff and Kirby kinda have a similar history. They were top tier in one game, average in another, awful, and now in Ultimate they are pretty good.
Pretty good as in relative to their other appearances? Because as far as I know they’re still both bottom of mid tier at best
@@liamconnor9235 Eh, I think both are mid, especially Kirby (bottom of mid at worst). But "pretty good" in Ultimate means mid tier. My rank scale is bad/ok/good/great/excellent. All Ultimate characters are at least ok.
Kirb is Low/mid tier and Jigglypuff is like bottom 5 in ultimate lol (Still way better than they were in Brawl and 4, plus Ultimate is much more balanced.)
@@nicksalvatore5717 you have it backwards, Kirby is the bottom tier and Jigglypuff is low/mid.
puff is kinda bad but NOOOOOWHERE near how bad they were in brawl and smash 4. Also Kirby is high end of mid tier, y’all tripping. Puff is mid tier as well, but more towards the middle.
Does somebody know what happened to them, they used to upload a few times every week.
@Fastest Nigga Alive same
IDK EITHER
It is a theory of mine, but I think the metoo event from July really hurt them.
@Fastest Nigga Alive That would make sense, I’ll just wait for a while maybe they are just taking a break for a while because of Christmas and 2020 ending.
@Fastest Nigga Alive all smash players do that
Hbox. My final words
@Vortrix He's not dead tho?
bassmage
Yup
just realized this channel hasn't posted in 2 months. ya'll good?
MAKE THAT 5 MONTHS OMG
@@dylcoll2756 make that 8 hours
Make that 10 months
Make it a year
make it 2
Where are you at!!!! Where are you at!!!!
why do you guys not post anymore?
Guys they switched uploads from this channel to another called pro guides esports if anyone is wondering
My main yay, been waiting for this.
Same, i main jiggs in ultimate
I don't really play any other smash game
Where are the new videos, you guys no longer doing youtube content?
6:52 that's mah blueberry dong
Strong back air hit box being at the tip of the foot would be the only buff she currently “needs” in ultimate. Could be kind of OP tho. Otherwise already pretty strong character
To me, Puff just feels like reverse little mac
But good though
@@dak-o-lanturn Swords win so hard (I know I main Shulk)
@@presion5628 theres always ways around swordies with puff but yeah those are probably her worst matchups. I feel like the only +2’s she has are Yoshi and Shulk maybe. Tbh ike doesnt win that hard
@@dak-o-lanturn I mean, Shulk´s bad frame data can be run from but it´s still bad, specially when shulk cnat get edgeguarded bc jump art
Do Bowser next! Every game he got better, and they treated him so good in ultimate. I will continue to come back here and annoy pro guides until they do it!
His Smash 4 redesign gave him very good new qualities, and literally every aerial except fair was changed. His air and ground speed buffs were badly needed, and he's very good in ultimate because of all the start and end lag on aerials being cut in half. 3f instead of 8f jump squat, air side b starting up in 6 frames instead of 17, bigger hitboxes on nair, fair, and up tilt, armor on everything, fire turning from useless to absolutely overpowered, down smash actually being useful, and although the distance of up be recovery was nerfed, it got a better hitbox.
Did I miss anything else? Bowser is awesome in ultimate.
Agreed
I'm down for a bowser competitive history
I’d kinda like them to finish all the 64 characters first
I don’t think they will be able to do bowser next
So like are they done uploading or something
Why you don’t upload more videos
And now BassMage is getting top 8 at summit, how far we've come
5 months since there was an upload. What happened?
What happened to you guys
Yeah I’ve been wondering what happened too
@@julezzz_08 they dead
@@kanishksharma642 y
@@liamm113 Idk
They dead cause smash ultimate is losing steam
Next time: The competitive history of Ness
False Swipe Gaming: Who are you?
ProGuides: I’m you, but stronger.
You're making ProGuides sound like a big bully. Lol! Don't be such a meanie.
Correction:
Falsw Swipe Gaming: Who are you?
ProGuides: Im you but i upload on the topic more
@@shudeepta at this point fsg realized that smash isn't there thing
R.I.P this channel, it'll be missed
It really wont
why does everyone think puff is bottom 5 in ult when puff is like high mid tier
Yessir, no one knows about dair loops and shit because they just see hbox play and think thats it.
Funny how Hbox himself said puff is low tier
@@DM-sl2fq hbox isnt the best puff in ultimate.
@@DM-sl2fq funny how BassMage himself (aka the best ult puff) says puff is high tier
She’s a soiled respectable mid tier with the right hands but sympathise with HBOX
the developers decided that instead of buffing/revamping her kit in meaningful ways so to fit the smash ultimate’s mould whilst stying true to her legacy, they instead opted to buff her weak moves to make more rounded
It’s the same story as the new smash ultimate’s heavyweights ranking lower then their veteran counterparts in the tierlists due to this “all rounder design > clear strengths and weaknesses “ design philosophy
The Competitive Historyof Jigglypuff:
*hungrybox*
When’s the next competitive history?
I think i can speak to every Puff main, Smash 4 was a „fanstatic“ Game that didnt hurt Puff at all in her history and was Fun to Play as a Puff main
It was the ,, peek,, of jigglipuff competitive
She was just a good character
@@kian8603 one of the best
Bassmage has been killing it recently
I found out that jab sets up a tech situation at very high percents.
11:10 yikes.......
Puff has so much untapped potential
I want competitive history of Yoshi
I'm getting a weird sense of Deja Vu
I love how you used the same music hbox uses for his stream!!
I want the competetive history of Pokemon Trainer. I know it'd be rather short due to brawl, smash 4 and ultimate only but I WANT IT.
what happened to the uploads?
not here, its been 4 months
What happened with the videos?
Who do you think is better between smash 4 pre patch diddy Kong, brawl Olimar, melee Falco, or brawl ice climbers
1st Brawl ice climbers
2nd 4 prepatch Diddy
3rd melee falco
4th Brawl olimar
You said u would do competive history of captain falcon in the mario one
Can you guys do how to buff Ridley? One way to buff ridley would be to remove some end lag from side special
OMG BANANA BOY CAMEO. I love that guy
Being a Fallout fan: Hearing The King and his Jigglypuff...can't help but here the voicelines from New Vegas.
Why do I see a typo on the thumbnail?
do roy next,he got better every game,it will be a pretty fun competitive history
Who is better between smash ultimate pre patch peach or smash 4 pre patch diddy Kong
Did you saw pre-patch diddy? He's 3 times better than pre-patch peach
Facts bro
Every body Agreed that pre patch diddy Kong is better than pre patch peach Except for E sports. For E sports their Placement and their reasons made no sense
Please do a ultimate version of this video and talk about bassmage, top 8 at summit
That rest
Can someone send me the link to that killaor crew battle?
Yo can y’all upload please
Anyone else wondering what happened to this channel?
A lot of people not just u
You should make more of these
Talk about hungry box
Jiglipuff as the most entrasting history out of all smash character
Seriously, can somebody tell me why nobody chooses her in Ultimate? She's literally the same from Melee, except that Down B doesn't have too much knockback
Her Up B is broken if you know when to use it
I mean I main puff but tbh she is more of a fun pick up character more then anything she isn’t that good she is def low mid tier
@@juu9039 Anyway, the hypocrisy
That also happened with... well, all the characters that were good in the past, but then got nerfed
Kirby, Fox, Falco, Marth, Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, Meta Knight, Peach, Bayonetta, Cloud and Pichu
I will play my main Peach forever, no matter how she bad or good she is, because i like the moveset desing and concept, also the character itself
@Dudino 11 So all the Jigglypuff mains in Melee are just spammers? lol
@Dudino 11 But they call Zelda mains spammers just because they use FAir and BAir a lot
As i said, they are hypocrites
Did you know with puff if you do it right in smash 4 you can run up and rest without jumping or anything..... I did it to my friend for a while night after I discovered it, I would just wait till he wiffed a laggy move or until I landed a sing and then I'd casually run up and rest him.... It wasn't ok
Still waiting for my competitive history video
"Competitive history" nice joke
what happened? it's been a month since you posted a video?
Do diddy Kong please it would be cool
What happened here
I wish they do the competitive history of Donkey Kong
Plz do competive history of captain falcon
Can you pleas order by games again and not years, it's very confusing?
So plz do competive history of captain falcon
I smell Hungrybox and nothing but Hungrybox when I think of Melee Puff.
They never got to make a video on Sephiroth :(
Pyra and Mythra sad noices
What about hbox?
Altérnate title: competitive history of Bair
copied
True copied
@@brandonmorehouse7507 how was it copied
Because another comment like this comment was posted maybe not even a few days before this one
@@brandonmorehouse7507 they copied it from me
Teir list doesn't matter
Kirby got a "kirby is OP"
Jab reset singhandedly launched puff to at least mid tier.
Or upper mid tier
Rest and air attack
Need I say more?
Jigglypuff got real nerfed in brawl
When are you going to put Steve on the smash tier list
Do a Link one
It puffed out
competitive history of dk.
PLEASE do lucario next
did you guys dissapear
Jigglypuff mains in Melee:
We love her, she's so good! I will never stop playing her :D
Jigglypuff mains in Ultimate:
...
I’m glad that atleast HungryBox is happy to play Jigglypuff in Ultimate :)
@@equalsacone795 I have NEVER seen him playing Jigglypuff in Ultimate
Anyway, the hypocrisy
I will always play my main Peach, even if she gets nerfed like in Brawl lol
@@Cristeve bruh just jump on his channel, theres tons of jiggly puff clips
Also I main puff and am proud of it, it is best character.
@@Cristeve He plays Jigglypuff in almost every single video except a few.
Diddy kong competitive history
Feel like FSG might need to okay this one
bro the thumbnail is driving me nuts
Can we get the competitive history of Yoshi or zelda)sheik ?
Bruh channel dead
Plz do link
Can I get a history of ness?
My Jigglypuff needs to have a hat
I would change the BAir
I think every super smash character is great in its own way. 😁, i main Greninja
What happened to this channel?
I think it’s either there was a COVID outbreak in the studio or they weren’t having enough views
Fastest Nigga Alive I’m sorry, he came back? Fr?
Florida is the strongest smash ultimate scene
Ness next please
Lol "buff the puff" 😂
Ultimate puffs rest is so trash now, any situation where you can hit it and kill, you're probably better off going for a forward smash
JIGGLYPUFF TOP TIER LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!!