Can one live totally honestly? | J. Krishnamurti
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Saanen 1984 - Extract #1 from Question & Answer Meeting #3
'Can one live totally honestly?'
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Speechless, beautiful part is JK always wants us to examine or inquire the things along with him , not to believe anything blindly and come to conclusions.
His speech shattered me.
Thank you.
What a great video!!! :) Many many thanks for uploading :) _/\_
Here is an honest man, his thoughts are so pure!
I am sure that also he was not perfect all the time about honesty , but he came very close ...
Pure & authentic. True of course.
Thoughts are not pure neither impure it’s just thoughts😌
Great!
Divine.... 🙏🙏
GREAT video .
I'm 35 yo and I've been reading Krishnamurti's books since I was 18, it's helped so much in life. I can say this is probably the best video I've ever seen of his, so many hidden gems in here.
"The past modified in the present preceeds tomorrow, wich is the future" (I interpret this as if you imagine -as we all do- any future situation through our mind, we're doing so through the filter of thought, wich is built on our past, our memories, traumas, categories, lies... hence we're never really free from constrictions)
"Thought is knowledge, knowledge is always the past"
"Wholeness is a quality of the brain in wich there's no movement"
MEMO: No movement = wholeness = true action, wich can never bring conflict
Through your research, do you think he believed in god
@@mlal83 why would he "believe" in illusions?
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Thanks a lot for posting👌
Mind blown
Tomorrow never comes. Only present time exist, always was and aways will be. Thoughts just spending much needed energy on illusions
my brain is having its own rhythm outside of time when im driving sometimes I realise that I ve covered a distance without even remembering how I got there
Simply thanks K ☺
yes
11:49 Wow, "tomorrow is now".
So 12:34 "the now contains all time ".
Gede R yup! The now contains all time- 11 Billion Years (age of the universe) 💓
@@vasaviv9146 - you cannot refute the statement-so you deflect...quite original in your epoch! they should call you Shake's Peer!
in "now" no tomorrow. now You are reading. but " now" creates tomorrow. for an enlightened mind no boards, in the meaning of seeing ,the past and future. and no feeling of "time". always now.
Nothing but true
That's true and one can living understand this through meditation, but im not talking about any specific practice or exercise im talking about the state. deep deep there is a moment where you release any progression with the past, and thats when you can do anything realy free.
Consciousness is the only way to break from the program, its the only key to genuinely choose the now out of the infinite and automated process
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K was able to convey the message and we are able to understand verbally. But actually how to live.
Just observe yourself without wanting to change the truth in you. The truth will change you..not your efforts.
nice
The way he stops and then gives us a little smirk haha you cheeky boy haha
I think he was ecstatic when talking about time and that presented itself as a smile (which you interpreted as a smirk)
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The power of now.
No power, just energy. Words matter. One gives strength to the center (or self)
And adding to my previous comments, just be good always and thank the almighty always. Now how can you be good always?? So put yourself in the situation to the other side..that’s so simple.
And most important, if you eat anything that had emotions ever than forget it, you would never be able to become honest. In a nutshell be vegetarian and respect animals as you. Hope you got it. If yes you are honest if No you are dishonest and you will have to come down many more times to this earth before you will understand such a simple thing.
God bless all.
Grateful for the wisdom sir has given us
In simple words
He is talking about mindfulness.
Being in the moment
Amazing ❤
Please ,either turn off the subtitles or correct them, they are ruining the videos.
10:30 🌀
Please subtitle
Namaste. Time .. the future is continuously moving into past. This is captured or stored as memory and knowledge in human consciousness. Present is simply an illusion of this transformation of Future into Past. The instant is of near zero width ... Something like a micro or Nano second which is the Present. It lapses faster than we really perceive and becomes a stored knowledge or memory.
For convenience we call the current one hour, or one day as present.
Thanks
meaning? Honestly and Intrigrity is not possible?
Hello friends I want to share my observation regarding time.
Many times, I felt the word term "time" acted as an excuse to the present and leads to disorder such that creating conflict to the self inside. I see deeply there is no time and no reputative patterns in the life style.
Share an opinion in my statement, such that I can observe others perspective
Your observation of time may be somewhat true. As human beings with a perception of reality we can’t really grasp truth. As our mind or brain is capable of categorize or differentiate an Apple from a banana so it does with abstract things such as time and fear.Time may come as a concept from observing the change of one state from other like water freezing and turning to ice or people aging. even though our perception of reality and thinking is limited, nevertheless science takes repeated phenomenon we observe and test trial and error hipothesis that we confirm or not so that repeated observation becomes law or a way to grasp better how things work, surpassing in such a way our subjective bias. Many of such hipothesis confirmed as “true” depend on the abstract concept of time. So in a scientific scenario, your observation of time may come short. In a pilosopchical, mindfulness scenario your observation of time may be true. If one has experienced eternal life by flowing with the present moment in such a deep way you are deeply in love, surprised in awe and ecstasy for life is clear time as we consider it formally or most of time is not what it is. However not everybody has experienced such involvement, closest thing may be a boring class which made 10 minutes be felt like an hour. People who have not experienced awareness in deeper way may never understand or agree with time as being a word term confusion as they rationalize their way out of it through their own thought process as experience. Time as any other concept is everything and nothing, good and bad, a confusion or a clear thing; it all depends how one arrays words to explain it in a convincing way to other people. Therefore any word term or concept even if put in dictionary is thought process and we know our mind is the source of confusion or may be clarity; thoguht or thinking too much puts us in duality as different perspectives try to give meaning to meaningless… so just be here, be now, adapt to the context you are in as you watch it unfold with you as participant of the magic of existence. We may think a lot diferent about things if we are deeply aware or perhaps have the sense of smelling like a dog or hearing like a cat. Sorry if it was such a long comment or reply, I think I may be wrong and wright of what I say at the same time, hopefully it contributes for you in some way as your read my own biases👍😊.
I'm still incapable of observing the image my self has created with symbols ambitions and ideals
timeonlyexistsinaction
Scripturists will say that it is misrepresentation of beliefs that has caused misery; not the concepts themselves.
I wonder at times if someone really and honestly understands him fully ? I have been trying this for almost half a century without much success.His wisdom is like Einstein's Theory of Relatively which only he understood in toto.
Hi Chander,
Guess part of problem with mysticism or any profound ideas about the nature of life is that we see it as an idea, cause it is brought to us in words. Teaching like this have a great power inside them, but when we automatically try to think about them, we again fall into concepts. What we should and shouldn't. But the most important part is just to trust. Yourself, the universe and so on. One way or another everything is going towards something we cannot really grasp, the consciousness is too vast, infinite and we as a separated thinkers just can only witness it and see that we are just a dust in endless life. But also we are all the fabric of this all. The goal (well, not the best word for it) is to trust the underlying existence and know, that no matter how hard we try to get a grasp, we can do nothing, just watch and accept what is. In believing and letting go we become a part of the flow, like a wave in the ocean. Anyway, we are doing something every day, we are always here, but by trying to change things and ourselves we just add a confusion. Just be, because you always are, so just don't wiggle) bless you.
Understanding oneself not him. He is the mirror only, so look and understand yourself.
We are conditioned that way. For us learning means, accumulation of knowledge. To understand what he says. You should be in the present. Without carrying any luggage of past memory.
No sir..u can understand what he says if u truly listen without a trace of doubt or thinking going on parallel in ur mind..to just be and listen to him..
Mostly I have seen an Erudite beats around the bush which is what is in this video. I am an honest person and I know how to deal and believe me friends God helps honest. So please practice to be honest from today.
Can anyone help me with a bit of confusion on something. I find a large conflict with a lot of speakers such as this gentlemen or Allen Watts speaking of life as a whole and things as dualities which require eachother to exist... then turn around and talk about anger and conflict as if they are things to avoid or dare I say even bad. I may be misunderstanding their meaning but I see a contradiction in this. He says he is not trying to "teach" but if someone speaks of a certain thing or set of ideas as something to be avoided or bad, does that not imply the idea that we should avoid these actions/thoughts? Is this not then desire.
Is it just a way of describing the world in a way that is practical like getting along with people generally makes life easier/nicer?
It just seems to me that any judgement like this is in direct conflict with being in a state of "oneness" or "zen". Afterall, isn't judgement just a way of desiring. Maybe I am mixing up different forms. As I said, I'm still pretty inexperienced with these ideas.
My Opinion on this:
To listen everything anybody says and try to find the truth in the entirety of what is said is just us not living in the now.
Anger and Conflict when in MOTION make us move unidirectionally.
So the question of Oneness
To separate others way from your way to get into the root of everything and later maybe or maybe not /justifiably or not/ Desirous or not/ to just realise what is it that we seek to stop and be in constant non conflicting motion to maybe realise Oneness.
hehe, yeah, seems like if this was a movie, it would win an Oscar for most plot holes, I simply dropped out of everything (gurus, memes, spiritual groups)...it´s only me and nature at this time......after all, I want to spend my life living, not learning how to live, I already know that, otherwise I wouldn't be typing this here. :)
I think he’s not meaning to direct your actions specifically, like don’t be conflicting as that is bad, I believe he is saying see this truth and allow all actions to naturally flow from this truth. As an observation, these actions that naturally flow without effort, from this wholeness or truth, are never what would be described as conflict. Having said that, the action may appear as conflict, but it is not conflict that emanates from judgements and hate, it is conflict from the point of view of someone else who is perceiving the action and is not aligned themselves with this truth. That’s probably just complicated it even more 🙂
@@jjjos I was thinking along the same lines. It's like the story of the guy who asked the monk why he bows when he passes a Buddha statue when you could just as well spit at it. The monk responded "You spits, I bows."
What some would call conflict I call spirited debate... Others like the last commentor want to take a gloriously rich pool of amazing ideas and stories and condense them down to generic quotes made for the masses not to mention questioning ideas to begin with. "I spits, he bows." Ha, I like that a lot. Cheers!
I think when Alan Watts talks about dualities it is such as - you can't have light without dark, they contain each other, so to say one is bad and the other is good is to not understand their reality. But you have to be careful with all this 'advanced philosophising', it is like listening to someone talking about calculus when you haven't yet grasped simple arithmetic. The psychology that motivates us the most is the thing that is the most personal. To 'study' this stuff on an intellectual level without any personal connection to your real life situation is just thinking for the sake of thinking. Be aware of yourself, as you are now, in the here and now. There are no right and wrong ways to be, there is just who you are. Be yourself with growing awareness and growing intelligence, learn the truth about yourself. Listen to the early Podcasts of Stefan Molyneaux, in fact listen to his whole body of work, it is very connected to personal problems and their philosophical solutions. Krishnamurti gives profound answers to some of the processes of the mind, these answers may well be necessary to get to the real basis of our problems but they are not a good starting point. They are the advanced 'mathematics' of the mind.
How can the brain have it's own rhythm outside of time? The genes that make a brain and make it alive are forever caught up in time. Because they are in the process of evolution. How then is it sane to say that we must be out of time?
The imagination of time essentially comes from 'space being defined by movement', i. e. 'something happens', 'something stays', 'something changes', 'something moves (from A to B)', 'something stops', 'something goes on', 'something disappears', etc. Or simply put by Einstein 'time is relative'. Therefore, when Krishnamurti speaks about the brain having 'an own rhythm outside of time' he simply means that in this very 'rhythm' the imagination of time is no longer an imagination. Everything is.
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Time is a human construct.
It is both relative and flexible.
The concept of time has very different application in terms of past present and future.
I think what he's trying to say is when you achieve a meditative state where there is absolutely no movement of thought, there remains no prospect of dishonesty or fragmentation. You can potentially achieve a clarity and see things exactly as they are without the illusions and fragmentations created by thought which serves as a function of time. In that meditative state of absolute honesty and integrity, the only movement is that of the brain as a biological process. Time exists there, but our consciousness breaks away from it's experience. He means time as we experience it and not what it physically means.
Know that your ego obstructs your understanding not genes as you think.
Master Oogway is right.
Who is Oogway ?
@@alainmaitre2069 Watch "Kung Fu panda" movie
'Honestly' is related to 'dishonestly', which is duality...in the Spiritual world neither exist...hehe
But sir, honesty is a positive power whereas dishonesty is negative .
Is JK sitting on a specially designed chair specially made for him?! Bcz, not he,but I feel uncomfortable to see him sitting on this kind of chair! Or he preferred to sit on such a chair!?
I salute to JK garu.
It's just a normal chair.
@@KFoundation 😂
obvious not. thinking don't lets. all states, of problems creating mind, don't exist after an enlightenment. no life, if no an ignorance.
Don't ever jump into conclusions and say I know. Read a book called freedom from the known by j. Krishnamurti
Hindi me dal na Bhai much samjhe me na ata hai
Kya kar sakte hain bhai, JK USA mein rehte thay, aur wahaan ke logon ko shiksha dete thay to angrezi mein hi bolenge naa.
Usko hindi nahi aata, telugu bandha hein
Now he is no more
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And adding to my previous comments, just be good always and thank the almighty always. Now how can you be good always?? So put yourself in the situation to the other side..that’s so simple.
And most important, if you eat anything that had emotions ever than forget it, you would never be able to become honest. In a nutshell be vegetarian and respect animals as you. Hope you got it. If yes you are honest if No you are dishonest and you will have to come down many more times to this earth before you will understand such a simple thing.
God bless all.