Thanks for another great video! I love how in-depth you go and appreciate your focus on useable content not just flashy video production. And although you don’t over-use reviews as an excuse to show off your chops (as some TH-cam guitarists often do) I really like hearing you play. Wish I was half as good! I am a big fan of WestCreek…picked up 3 WC guitars in 2023: Revenge - almost perfect out of the box except for a tone knob mislabeled as “volume” - required zero setup 333 - which needed its frets leveled and has a few minor cosmetic flaws that I chose to live with, but was otherwise set up well Helios - which had a ridiculously tall nut and microphonic pickups (all replaced) but is downright beautiful All 3 are solid, gorgeous guitars that are a blast to play (the latter two after only after resolving issues) but QC is definitely not consistent. Personally I don’t mind because the issues have been fixable and I really enjoy tinkering with my guitars, and WC has been very responsive to issues I pointed out, sending me replacement parts, upgraded pickups, etc. So I am definitely still a fan. But not everyone wants to waste time & money taking on a maintenance “challenge” before they can start playing with their new toy. As someone who has managed quality assurance for two different manufacturing companies in the past, I can say without a doubt that if I considered that level of quality acceptable, I wouldn’t have stayed employed for very long. I acknowledge that factory conditions, expertise, and general quality expectations are different in China where WC makes their guitars, which is part of the trade-off we make in order to get cool toys like this in the US for such reasonable prices. And many of us, like me, are more than happy to live with that trade-off. But I also know from experience that solid QC practices generally cost a lot less than dealing with returns, customer service, and ultimately lost sales once customer expectations begin to rise with product popularity. I’ve also visited manufacturing facilities in China and have seen with my own eyes that they are as capable as any other country of producing good products. The customers just have to demand it. So if WC is looking for customer feedback, that’s the biggest upgrade I would suggest. “Voice of the customer” campaigns are great, and keep doing that…but in my opinion as an engineer and former QC manager, don’t focus on a handful of customers providing unique feedback about their individual experiences, invest in basic quality assurance processes to ensure consistency of product going out the door so you know you’re putting good product in the customer’s hands in the first place.
Thanks so much man for your kind words and for your expertise... westcreek go this video link along with my suggestions to upgrade tuners, to have more consistent fret work from model to model, and to develop a cookie cutter QC approach so they can avoid returns in the first place. The main complaints are always, frets, tuners, and it and finish. Everything else, people change or upgrade to their specific tastes anyway... Thanks for taking the time to write out all of that detailed info and point of view!😉
I owned a red n black racerSG style. Highly -Microphonic pickups. I did a pull and replace with new pickups! I set the action low and intonated easily. The guitar was for my Niece, Hailey! Rock On ..
I just got a yellow Racer and the pups on it are fine, don’t make a sound. I love that guitar! The only thing is my arm rubs against the squared angle right in the middle. I’ll have to wear one of those sweat band thing a ma bobs.
Picked this up on your recommendation. Aside from a string change and some fretboard oil, it was gig-ready out of the box; intonation, frets, nut, EVERYTHING! I don't know if it was a return that somebody set up, or if Leo Fender's ghost is moonlighting at the factory. LOL
Hahahaha that's awesome! I have found the westcreek stuff in general to be excellent in Playability out of the box with, as you said, minor tweaks! Rock on!
I bought one of these in purple two of the frets had popped up and were catching the high e string. I had to tap them back down with a fret hammer after that everthing was working great no other issues at all the guitar was setup well besides the fret problem.
I own one of the red ones, and the main thing I took issue with was the action on the neck. I did a truss bar adjustment, and it is fine now. A secondary issue was the volume control knob. It would go from zero to ten in a half turn. I have replaced them. Mine came with PAF chrome plated pickups and not the standard type humbuckers pictured on the site. I replaced one with a quad rail pickup at the bridge that has a whopping 18 ohms and the neck pickup I left alone because it sounds fine for now. Eventually I will be upgrading the neck pickup to a Mayhem. The overall guitar looks great and for me, it is a nice fit for my style of playing. As for the price point, it was totally worth buying. My quest for an Explorer type body guitar is over. I have the Jackson Kelly JS32T model (which rocks) and the Westcreek Revenge. Happy with both.
Westcreek, if you're watching give us natural finished necks and straight ( not crooked) beveled edges on the Cerberus! I don't think it would cost you anything to make those changes. I would gladly pay more for jumbo frets. Great guitars!
I think a natural/oil finished neck would be more labour intensive and therefore increase prices... a good compromise with no price increase might be to satin finish the necks as opposed to the gloss finish?!🤔 the bevels on oth my Cerberuses were super straight and well done... maybe the crooked ones you received were just a bad batch?
@@j-man9457 I bought 3 cerberus and just had to settle with one over the bevels being squiggly . It's a V so the lines matter a lot. Should be an easy fix.
I just got the revenge in the army green color really impressed the quality of it also the neck feels great I oiled the fretboard and put a set of new strings on and it plays like a dream
@@Moonmaster85 thanks man... rough at times hahaha! I think it's an old Ratt (the band) riff... not sure. I never plan what I play when I try out a guitar the guitar's tone just brings stuff out and you just never know hahaha!
@@CBolt17 yeah I think these could be alot more refined, but then you'd be looking at 499 as opposed to 299 and I'm not sure they want to go there... but once the Westcreek brand is well established as a company who makes consistently good guitars, like you, I think people would pay more for those features you're suggesting😀
Hi . Those Westcreek Guitars look very nice. I have a Gibson Explorer and I would like to get one of these sometime in the future so I haven't tried one yet but they look super with Binding block inlays so elegant so I would my humble suggestion that add some colors like black with a white pickguard I love pickguards with zebra pickups and nickel hardware also a Korina Type model too. Thanks for opportunity to give my opinion
@@j-man9457 thanks for your attention. I would also suggest to deliver this Guitars with some kind of hard case obviously with an extra charge but to be cheap also transparent colors like cherry with flame top, And sunburst types cherry, Tobacco, you know. And a more say like a custom line with better neck work and hardware for a modest price that would be great
Dont know how long theyve asked you to do feedback on this guitar, but I'll reply to this comment on Monday when mine arrives!! Exprcting to need a setup, but I'd expect to have to setup even a $5000 guitar if it came via mail. Excited to get my hands on it!
Yeah man you're absolutely right. And the other thing is that when they designed these guitars, they didn't have you or I in mind lol! So even if it was perfectly set up, you or I may not like it as it may not be "perfect" for us. Perfect is Subjective! Let me know how you like it😀
Hi J Man.. Please ask Westcreek if they actually use different woods for the veneer tops on different color revenge models.. I note that the specs as per Amazon and various other outlets state that the top material for the red model is mahogany and that of the (flame top) green model is rosewood. But, when it comes to the purple Revenge model, they simply state that is it made of 'wood" without mentioning a specific type as they do with the others. In fact, please ask if they actually use real wood veneer vs a photo finish.
Hey Denis... I have had 5 of these revenge models so far and in the duplicate colored models I've had the tops are clearly different. If it was a photo the grain would always look the same.... The translation on Amazon in the description section is terrible lol... Here is what I’ve gathered so far. On these, the bodies are Mahogany, the necks are maple. The Fretboards are Rosewood and the tops are a thin maple veneer. Now as for the type or grade of maple, mahogany and rosewood, that I could not tell you as that information isn’t available. But common sense would dictate that at these price, they are not using AAA grade wood 🤔😉 Hope that helps😃
Yo, J. You did a great job in responding to WestCreek. This video, combined with the Comments section, will go a long way to keeping WestCreek in good standing. You know how I feel about them. I’ve never seen a company invest more in customer relations. And as you’ve proven more than once, WestCreek’s QC average is not falling behind its competition. Having said that, I do have a couple of statements to make for everyone’s benefit. As far as my Lizard Green Revenge goes, my first fret nearest the bridge was loose. The high-E string kept getting caught under it because the frets are also cut too far from the edge of the fretboard. The frets were all cut inconsistently, but it mattered more there. I’m glad you addressed their tuners in a universal way. They could make one huge improvement by using better tuners. That might be their most prevalent shortcoming on all of their models. And that doesn’t fall into the realm of modding to personalize. That’s just a manufacturing issue. Another thing I would check is the fretboard inlays. WestCreek had a good way with their fretboard inlays. If they’re going to sacrifice that style, there might also be a loose inlay here or there. I only mention that because I did not care for those mammoth rectangles. I had already told them about the value of a good finish, and that some came out too dark. The flame top is barely noticeable on my Revenge and my Helios. You did great. To change the subject, I bought and installed “Ancient Silver” snakes on black knurled pot knobs on my Revenge. Dude…. LOL. so perfect. Each knob has three snakes guarding a small “emerald” in the center. lmao! Sure the emeralds are fake. So are the snakes. But dude… they look so good on the emerald Revenge. It’s hilarious. Sometimes I open the case and just look at them. 😏😎🤣
That's aweome man! Itxs those little details that give a guitar the unique, personal touch. Good job😎 Also for gibson style fans, give Westcreek another year, and they will either be untouchable in their price range and quality, or they will fizzle away and never be hears of again. No company can remain stagnant AND be successful. You either move forward by choice, or fall backwards by design😉 Time will tell!
Fret work onsub $400 CAD guitars is pretty much par fro the course, but what a niceaxe for the money. Mind yuo, olive drab isn't the colour I'd choose for this guitar.
Buddy!!! Is that the army green one you were talking about the other day? Looks pretty cool. I still prefer the white but damned if I wouldn’t take one of those if one ever shows up again. You are the WestCreek Whisperer!! 🎸🎸🎸I do prefer the chrome hardware on the ones I just got, I don’t much care for black hardware but easy enough to change out.
@@timmackenzie8145 well I have 2 revenges with broken necks here. I saved all of the chrome hardware on them so I could easily switch out the black hardware if a white or green ever shows up🤘
You should reach out to them and make that suggestion all black would be easily done paint wise and they already have models that come with black hardware so black on black isn't a stretch by any means! And you're right it would look killer!
@@zeno6111753 just through Amazon I believe. Click on a guitar and once the page opens, scroll down a bit then where it says fulfilled by Amazon sold by westcreek guitars and click on westcreek guitars. You should be able to send a message from there😉
Bone nut yes, but at this price point, none of the Westcreeks have Stainless Steel frets. The frets have rounded ends and are extremely well finished.... well on the models I have received anyway! Cheers!
My biggest gripe about Westcreek in general was that their headstock logo looked really amateurish and badly done. But the longer I have my Revenge and play it, the more I think it adds to the charm.
I snatched a Revenge and couldn't be happier. I've always wanted and explorer type guitar but I've had bad luck with Epiphones. I decided to take a chance and I'm glad I did. I got a beautiful, great sounding piece of wood. The pickups are weak so I put a Trembucker in the bridge position. The guitar sounds now great. I will probably buy another guitar or two from Westcreek in the future. Just sayin
Right on man. Glad you got a good one! These are great. I've reviewed them all and they are so good for the price tag it makes Epi look bad... Just saying! 😂😅🤣 Enjoy the WC Revenge and Rock on!
That's my kind of guitar! It's a lot like the old Ibanez destroyer, and I had one built by Crimson guitars, and I love it, but I'd want a different colour.
@@5starpre don't remember... Didn't keep it for long. Super thin neck Strat style body 2 Humbuckers with a 5 way switch for split coil positions. Double locking Floyd rose type bridge. Think it was an RG maybe? They are over 500 here so the westcreek are 200 cheaper almost!😀
It's a fantastic guitar. Just needed to be set up. Fenders and Gibson's I have worked on have all the same issues this one had. This is a 300 dollar guitar man... minimal work and it's litterally gig ready in stock form. I think that's pretty impressive😃!
I’ve probably said it before, but for some reason, the pickups on this model (AND on the Cerberus, for that matter) seem noticeably clearer and more articulate sounding than the ones on the Helios. The stock Helios pickups sounded rather dark and muddy by comparison… I don’t know why, since as I recall, they’re all using the same Gibson-style scale length, the same bridge and tailpiece hardware, and if anything, these pickups are hotter than the Helios.
I bought a Westcreek Double Trouble which I really like and kept - it plays quite well after a moderate setup. There were two others that had issues that couldn't be easily fixed - that I returned. Wrote up a very detailed Amazon review that highly recommended checking them out if one were so inclined, and messaged them right afterwards. Coincidentally, they were then unavailable so either they all sold out or were pulled. Haven't heard back from Westcreek! :(
Hmmm strange! They are usually pretty good at responding to e-mails. Send it again. As for the double trouble, i have no experience or knowledge of them.😕
@@j-man9457 It's that Westcreek double-neck that I mentioned on some of your other posts. Granted, I'd expect it to be more of a complex build. I messaged them directly thru Amazon, and they'd responded previously with 4 new pickups after I mentioned the stock ones were microphonic. 😟
@@TechnoRiff yeah send it again... sometimes it's weeks before I get a reply... and like any factory, the employee turn around is probably fairly high. Your e-mail could have gone to someone who no longer works there who knows?! I would send it again and indicate it's the second attempt as the 1st got no reply...🙂
@@j-man9457 Alright - thanks for the tip! Just strange that this particular model has no longer been available for over a month. Guess I probably should view this more as a friendly business transaction! 😀
Well, they asked. To bad about the frets. I think one or two high frets is not a big deal but if you have to do it complete fret level, then forget it! There's so much competition these days that they really have to get their act together I think. I guess I would also agree that that color is really ugly.
It's hit or miss... 2 of my westcreeks had perfectly level frets, and 2 did not. It took very few passes to get these level. Easy job if one has the tools and the time.
Now you play a pretty good guitfiddle son, but give the Devil his due ... I'll bet a guitfiddle of gold against your soul to think I'm better than you. ( ‵▽′)ψ
@@j-man9457 Dick Cavitt to Jimi Hendrix: "Some say you're the best guitarist in the world." Jimi Hendrix: "Nah man. Maybe the best guitarist sitting in this chair."
Hahaha you're missing out man! But if you can afford the highly overrated and over priced north american brands, by all means, empty your wallet and fill your boots!😄
Thanks for another great video! I love how in-depth you go and appreciate your focus on useable content not just flashy video production. And although you don’t over-use reviews as an excuse to show off your chops (as some TH-cam guitarists often do) I really like hearing you play. Wish I was half as good!
I am a big fan of WestCreek…picked up 3 WC guitars in 2023:
Revenge - almost perfect out of the box except for a tone knob mislabeled as “volume” - required zero setup
333 - which needed its frets leveled and has a few minor cosmetic flaws that I chose to live with, but was otherwise set up well
Helios - which had a ridiculously tall nut and microphonic pickups (all replaced) but is downright beautiful
All 3 are solid, gorgeous guitars that are a blast to play (the latter two after only after resolving issues) but QC is definitely not consistent. Personally I don’t mind because the issues have been fixable and I really enjoy tinkering with my guitars, and WC has been very responsive to issues I pointed out, sending me replacement parts, upgraded pickups, etc. So I am definitely still a fan. But not everyone wants to waste time & money taking on a maintenance “challenge” before they can start playing with their new toy. As someone who has managed quality assurance for two different manufacturing companies in the past, I can say without a doubt that if I considered that level of quality acceptable, I wouldn’t have stayed employed for very long.
I acknowledge that factory conditions, expertise, and general quality expectations are different in China where WC makes their guitars, which is part of the trade-off we make in order to get cool toys like this in the US for such reasonable prices. And many of us, like me, are more than happy to live with that trade-off. But I also know from experience that solid QC practices generally cost a lot less than dealing with returns, customer service, and ultimately lost sales once customer expectations begin to rise with product popularity. I’ve also visited manufacturing facilities in China and have seen with my own eyes that they are as capable as any other country of producing good products. The customers just have to demand it.
So if WC is looking for customer feedback, that’s the biggest upgrade I would suggest. “Voice of the customer” campaigns are great, and keep doing that…but in my opinion as an engineer and former QC manager, don’t focus on a handful of customers providing unique feedback about their individual experiences, invest in basic quality assurance processes to ensure consistency of product going out the door so you know you’re putting good product in the customer’s hands in the first place.
Thanks so much man for your kind words and for your expertise... westcreek go this video link along with my suggestions to upgrade tuners, to have more consistent fret work from model to model, and to develop a cookie cutter QC approach so they can avoid returns in the first place. The main complaints are always, frets, tuners, and it and finish. Everything else, people change or upgrade to their specific tastes anyway...
Thanks for taking the time to write out all of that detailed info and point of view!😉
I have two westcreeks and love them.. I'm working on the racers and collecting all
Nice man! A worthy collection for sure and it won't break the bank😉
Rock on!
Hey J, great show! Great work!
You can tell those guys to send me some extra stuff😆😆👍😆
Sure thing! Haha
If Westcreek ask me I would tell them to upgrade the tuners and keep a closer eye on the fretwork being level.
Exactly what I reported back to them via e-mail😁
I owned a red n black racerSG style. Highly -Microphonic pickups. I did a pull and replace with new pickups! I set the action low and intonated easily. The guitar was for my Niece, Hailey! Rock On ..
Sweet man! Lucky Niece!
I just got a yellow Racer and the pups on it are fine, don’t make a sound. I love that guitar! The only thing is my arm rubs against the squared angle right in the middle. I’ll have to wear one of those sweat band thing a ma bobs.
Picked this up on your recommendation. Aside from a string change and some fretboard oil, it was gig-ready out of the box; intonation, frets, nut, EVERYTHING! I don't know if it was a return that somebody set up, or if Leo Fender's ghost is moonlighting at the factory. LOL
Hahahaha that's awesome! I have found the westcreek stuff in general to be excellent in Playability out of the box with, as you said, minor tweaks!
Rock on!
Super great guirars
Yes hard to beat at that price point for sure!
I bought one of these in purple two of the frets had popped up and were catching the high e string. I had to tap them back down with a fret hammer after that everthing was working great no other issues at all the guitar was setup well besides the fret problem.
Nice man great to here! Thanks for sharing!😀
My revenge has a shallow neck angle. I had to modify the bridge with a milling machine in order to set the action low enough.
Hmmm interesting... lots of adjustment on this one. Different batch likely!?🤔
Should have just returned it.
@@brothersnippy1373 Yeah, that was really the only problem with the guitar. It was easy enough to take care of.
@@j-man9457 My serial starts with 231009. I just got it within the last few weeks.
@@brothersnippy1373 nah man... it's fun to trouble shoot and mod stuff to make it your own😉
Westcreek would have to send me one for my imput...!!!
I own one of the red ones, and the main thing I took issue with was the action on the neck. I did a truss bar adjustment, and it is fine now.
A secondary issue was the volume control knob.
It would go from zero to ten in a half turn.
I have replaced them.
Mine came with PAF chrome plated pickups and not the standard type humbuckers pictured on the site. I replaced one with a quad rail pickup at the bridge that has a whopping 18 ohms and the neck pickup I left alone because it sounds fine for now.
Eventually I will be upgrading the neck pickup to a Mayhem.
The overall guitar looks great and for me, it is a nice fit for my style of playing.
As for the price point, it was totally worth buying.
My quest for an Explorer type body guitar is over. I have the Jackson Kelly JS32T model (which rocks) and the Westcreek Revenge.
Happy with both.
Wow man, nice upgrades! Thanks for sharing!
Westcreek, if you're watching give us natural finished necks and straight ( not crooked) beveled edges on the Cerberus! I don't think it would cost you anything to make those changes. I would gladly pay more for jumbo frets. Great guitars!
I think a natural/oil finished neck would be more labour intensive and therefore increase prices... a good compromise with no price increase might be to satin finish the necks as opposed to the gloss finish?!🤔 the bevels on oth my Cerberuses were super straight and well done... maybe the crooked ones you received were just a bad batch?
@@j-man9457 I bought 3 cerberus and just had to settle with one over the bevels being squiggly . It's a V so the lines matter a lot. Should be an easy fix.
My Cerberus V is perfect. No squiggle problem here.
@@totalbullion5882 yup the CNC should take care of those imperfections...🤔
@@brothersnippy1373 thanks!
Amazing job my friend. Wonderful, intuitive video🙏
I just got the revenge in the army green color really impressed the quality of it also the neck feels great I oiled the fretboard and put a set of new strings on and it plays like a dream
Awesome man, glad to hear it😃!
Enjoy and Rock on!
@@j-man9457 you to man!
What is the riff at 19:32? Awesome playing BTW man
@@Moonmaster85 thanks man... rough at times hahaha! I think it's an old Ratt (the band) riff... not sure. I never plan what I play when I try out a guitar the guitar's tone just brings stuff out and you just never know hahaha!
My white one came in good condition.
Can't complain about mine!
Thank you "WESTCREEK".....PEACE!
Nice man! Rock on😎🤘
Can you ask em about a tongue oiled neck in the future? And that green is a new option.
Sure, never hurts to ask😀 However that could incur a price increase as an oiled neck would be more labour intensive IMO...
@j-man9457 You're the man I'm OK with that, haha. But I get where you're coming from given that they're budget friendly
@@CBolt17 yeah I think these could be alot more refined, but then you'd be looking at 499 as opposed to 299 and I'm not sure they want to go there... but once the Westcreek brand is well established as a company who makes consistently good guitars, like you, I think people would pay more for those features you're suggesting😀
@j-man9457 loving my Cerberus. Showed it to a friend. 5 days later he ordered a Revenge (Green Lizard) and loves it
@@CBolt17 cool man! Yeah for the price, these are a fantastic value even with the painted neck haha!
Hi . Those Westcreek Guitars look very nice. I have a Gibson Explorer and I would like to get one of these sometime in the future so I haven't tried one yet but they look super with Binding block inlays so elegant so I would my humble suggestion that add some colors like black with a white pickguard I love pickguards with zebra pickups and nickel hardware also a Korina Type model too. Thanks for opportunity to give my opinion
@@joserdiazalmodovar1898 sure man. That's why I'm here...😃
@@j-man9457 thanks for your attention. I would also suggest to deliver this Guitars with some kind of hard case obviously with an extra charge but to be cheap also transparent colors like cherry with flame top, And sunburst types cherry, Tobacco, you know. And a more say like a custom line with better neck work and hardware for a modest price that would be great
@@joserdiazalmodovar1898 yeah good suggestions. They have a new model out now. And it looks pretty high end but I have not gotten one yet!
My 333 plays great .Workmanship is excellent
Fantastic Kevin. Thanks for letting me know.
Dont know how long theyve asked you to do feedback on this guitar, but I'll reply to this comment on Monday when mine arrives!! Exprcting to need a setup, but I'd expect to have to setup even a $5000 guitar if it came via mail. Excited to get my hands on it!
Yeah man you're absolutely right. And the other thing is that when they designed these guitars, they didn't have you or I in mind lol!
So even if it was perfectly set up, you or I may not like it as it may not be "perfect" for us. Perfect is Subjective!
Let me know how you like it😀
Hi J Man.. Please ask Westcreek if they actually use different woods for the veneer tops on different color revenge models.. I note that the specs as per Amazon and various other outlets state that the top material for the red model is mahogany and that of the (flame top) green model is rosewood. But, when it comes to the purple Revenge model, they simply state that is it made of 'wood" without mentioning a specific type as they do with the others. In fact, please ask if they actually use real wood veneer vs a photo finish.
Hey Denis... I have had 5 of these revenge models so far and in the duplicate colored models I've had the tops are clearly different.
If it was a photo the grain would always look the same....
The translation on Amazon in the description section is terrible lol...
Here is what I’ve gathered so far.
On these, the bodies are Mahogany, the necks are maple. The Fretboards are Rosewood and the tops are a thin maple veneer.
Now as for the type or grade of maple, mahogany and rosewood, that I could not tell you as that information isn’t available. But common sense would dictate that at these price, they are not using AAA grade wood 🤔😉
Hope that helps😃
Yo, J.
You did a great job in responding to WestCreek. This video, combined with the Comments section, will go a long way to keeping WestCreek in good standing. You know how I feel about them. I’ve never seen a company invest more in customer relations. And as you’ve proven more than once, WestCreek’s QC average is not falling behind its competition. Having said that, I do have a couple of statements to make for everyone’s benefit.
As far as my Lizard Green Revenge goes, my first fret nearest the bridge was loose. The high-E string kept getting caught under it because the frets are also cut too far from the edge of the fretboard. The frets were all cut inconsistently, but it mattered more there.
I’m glad you addressed their tuners in a universal way. They could make one huge improvement by using better tuners. That might be their most prevalent shortcoming on all of their models. And that doesn’t fall into the realm of modding to personalize. That’s just a manufacturing issue.
Another thing I would check is the fretboard inlays. WestCreek had a good way with their fretboard inlays. If they’re going to sacrifice that style, there might also be a loose inlay here or there. I only mention that because I did not care for those mammoth rectangles.
I had already told them about the value of a good finish, and that some came out too dark. The flame top is barely noticeable on my Revenge and my Helios.
You did great.
To change the subject, I bought and installed “Ancient Silver” snakes on black knurled pot knobs on my Revenge. Dude…. LOL. so perfect. Each knob has three snakes guarding a small “emerald” in the center. lmao! Sure the emeralds are fake. So are the snakes. But dude… they look so good on the emerald Revenge. It’s hilarious. Sometimes I open the case and just look at them.
😏😎🤣
That's aweome man! Itxs those little details that give a guitar the unique, personal touch. Good job😎
Also for gibson style fans, give Westcreek another year, and they will either be untouchable in their price range and quality, or they will fizzle away and never be hears of again. No company can remain stagnant AND be successful. You either move forward by choice, or fall backwards by design😉
Time will tell!
Fret work onsub $400 CAD guitars is pretty much par fro the course, but what a niceaxe for the money. Mind yuo, olive drab isn't the colour I'd choose for this guitar.
Very nice axe indeed and it needed minimal passes to make the frets level. Very minor issues😀
Buddy!!! Is that the army green one you were talking about the other day? Looks pretty cool. I still prefer the white but damned if I wouldn’t take one of those if one ever shows up again. You are the WestCreek Whisperer!! 🎸🎸🎸I do prefer the chrome hardware on the ones I just got, I don’t much care for black hardware but easy enough to change out.
@@timmackenzie8145 well I have 2 revenges with broken necks here. I saved all of the chrome hardware on them so I could easily switch out the black hardware if a white or green ever shows up🤘
@@j-man9457 perfect! 👍
Army green is not the most popular color for a guitar,nice to see full size pots, the neck looks really good,the guitar has a lot of potential.
Yup I hear you. Good player for sure... fun axe!
Westcreek should have all their guitars in an all black option :)
You should reach out to them and make that suggestion all black would be easily done paint wise and they already have models that come with black hardware so black on black isn't a stretch by any means! And you're right it would look killer!
@@j-man9457 forgive my ignorance, but how would one send input and suggestions to them?
@@zeno6111753 just through Amazon I believe. Click on a guitar and once the page opens, scroll down a bit then where it says fulfilled by Amazon sold by westcreek guitars and click on westcreek guitars. You should be able to send a message from there😉
@@j-man9457 thank you for the directions.
@@zeno6111753 no problem at all😉
Are those frets stainless steel and the nut bone?
Bone nut yes, but at this price point, none of the Westcreeks have Stainless Steel frets. The frets have rounded ends and are extremely well finished.... well on the models I have received anyway!
Cheers!
My biggest gripe about Westcreek in general was that their headstock logo looked really amateurish and badly done. But the longer I have my Revenge and play it, the more I think it adds to the charm.
I snatched a Revenge and couldn't be happier. I've always wanted and explorer type guitar but I've had bad luck with Epiphones. I decided to take a chance and I'm glad I did. I got a beautiful, great sounding piece of wood. The pickups are weak so I put a Trembucker in the bridge position. The guitar sounds now great. I will probably buy another guitar or two from Westcreek in the future. Just sayin
Right on man. Glad you got a good one! These are great. I've reviewed them all and they are so good for the price tag it makes Epi look bad... Just saying! 😂😅🤣
Enjoy the WC Revenge and Rock on!
How much do they cost? I want one!!!
Here in Canada they are $339 on Amazon. They are less than that in the US!
That's my kind of guitar! It's a lot like the old Ibanez destroyer, and I had one built by Crimson guitars, and I love it, but I'd want a different colour.
Yup great guitars for a great price! They come in 4 or 5 different colors I think😀
U could buy an Ibanez gio for about the same price
@@5starpre I have had both and the quality of these are better... I didn't like the fake Floyd rose trem on the Gio
@@j-man9457 which one did you own if you remember
@@5starpre don't remember... Didn't keep it for long. Super thin neck Strat style body 2 Humbuckers with a 5 way switch for split coil positions. Double locking Floyd rose type bridge. Think it was an RG maybe? They are over 500 here so the westcreek are 200 cheaper almost!😀
How does the neck shape and feel compare to the Cerberus V style guitar? is it the same? Also do you think the humbuckers pickups are the same? thanks
I would say the 2 are pretty darn close for sure! Nice feeling neck on both and I liked the snappy pickups on both as well🤘
That was a lot of work to do to then give such a good review.....
It's a fantastic guitar. Just needed to be set up. Fenders and Gibson's I have worked on have all the same issues this one had. This is a 300 dollar guitar man... minimal work and it's litterally gig ready in stock form. I think that's pretty impressive😃!
I’ve probably said it before, but for some reason, the pickups on this model (AND on the Cerberus, for that matter) seem noticeably clearer and more articulate sounding than the ones on the Helios. The stock Helios pickups sounded rather dark and muddy by comparison… I don’t know why, since as I recall, they’re all using the same Gibson-style scale length, the same bridge and tailpiece hardware, and if anything, these pickups are hotter than the Helios.
Yeah but the Helios had chrome covered pups. These both had the exposed bobbins with no covers... like you, I prefer these to the Helios!
I heard actions good to
Yup on all of the ones I reviewed, action was actually too low for my liking hahaha
My input is .
MaKE A LEFY HANDED version
Hahaha yes sir! Not the only one to mention that... I'll forward this on with the other comments as well!😁
My input... 8 string, black, fully bound, 27" scale, no fret markers, no fan frets. TAKE MY MONEY!
@@SchecterMongoose hahaha! Nice!
Its for playing heavy metal.
I bought a Westcreek Double Trouble which I really like and kept - it plays quite well after a moderate setup. There were two others that had issues that couldn't be easily fixed - that I returned. Wrote up a very detailed Amazon review that highly recommended checking them out if one were so inclined, and messaged them right afterwards. Coincidentally, they were then unavailable so either they all sold out or were pulled. Haven't heard back from Westcreek! :(
Hmmm strange! They are usually pretty good at responding to e-mails. Send it again. As for the double trouble, i have no experience or knowledge of them.😕
@@j-man9457 It's that Westcreek double-neck that I mentioned on some of your other posts. Granted, I'd expect it to be more of a complex build. I messaged them directly thru Amazon, and they'd responded previously with 4 new pickups after I mentioned the stock ones were microphonic. 😟
@@TechnoRiff yeah send it again... sometimes it's weeks before I get a reply... and like any factory, the employee turn around is probably fairly high. Your e-mail could have gone to someone who no longer works there who knows?!
I would send it again and indicate it's the second attempt as the 1st got no reply...🙂
@@j-man9457 Alright - thanks for the tip! Just strange that this particular model has no longer been available for over a month. Guess I probably should view this more as a friendly business transaction! 😀
Ditto here. WestCreek may sometimes take a while, but always responds to me with individual attention.
Nice job on those threats grasshopper. You forgot to point out that god-awful military green color. That's got to go
Hahaha thanks! You know on this style of guitar, it works! It's very "military metal" themed hahaha! And it does Metal well 😎🤘🤘
No way man I have this color it's what made me buy this guitar lol
Well, they asked. To bad about the frets. I think one or two high frets is not a big deal but if you have to do it complete fret level, then forget it!
There's so much competition these days that they really have to get their act together I think.
I guess I would also agree that that color is really ugly.
It's hit or miss... 2 of my westcreeks had perfectly level frets, and 2 did not. It took very few passes to get these level. Easy job if one has the tools and the time.
Now you play a pretty good guitfiddle son, but give the Devil his due ... I'll bet a guitfiddle of gold against your soul to think I'm better than you. ( ‵▽′)ψ
Hahaha. Doesn't take much to be better than me, so I'll take your word for it!
@@j-man9457 Dick Cavitt to Jimi Hendrix: "Some say you're the best guitarist in the world." Jimi Hendrix: "Nah man. Maybe the best guitarist sitting in this chair."
@@thecentralscrutinizerr haha yup that's me. If I'm alone in a room, I'm the best guitarist in there! Hahaha
Worst sounding drum I have heard today.
China CCP guitar, no thanks...
Hahaha you're missing out man! But if you can afford the highly overrated and over priced north american brands, by all means, empty your wallet and fill your boots!😄
Great review J-Man. I have 4 WestCreek guitars and they can send me one. And today is my birthday!🎉😂
Hey Happy birthday buddy! Have a good one