The new enhancement packs do a remarkable job of bringing some of the default aircraft up to a much higher standard. well. Here are my first impressions using the Cessna 172...
I’ve flown like 4 different skyhawks with that green livery, the tail numbers all in ND. I had an engine failure in one a while back, made it home to talk about it. brought back a good memory
A2A did a Cessna 172 with a lot of the same features as this does but , what this doesn’t have is a full preflight inspection with pre setup spots to check and move parts and fuel check
I love the old school analogue gauges. Not a fan of GPS or fancy computer screens. That's how I learnt to fly with my charts, a CR5, paper and pencil and a timer.
12:10 you got it the wrong way round....In a C172, you can extend the first notch of flaps at 110 knots, whereas a Piper is around 89 knots for the first stage.
That kind of damage on hard landing SHOULD BE modeled by default for all MSFS default GA airplanes, imo. And because it isn't, kids and all sorts of newcomers are landing at -400/-500ft/m, and say "wow that was a good landing!" while I make all sorts of cringe faces lol. Worst of all, they will never learn to land properly when the sim is not punishing bad and hard landings, like XP11 does.
@@NZ255 Interesting. Multi-billion company have issues with aircraft licensing, but X-Plane 11 does not. I broke C172 in XP11 so many times (broken wings, wheels, etc).
@@Pe11ePD do you know if LR licenses the planes officially? I’m not sure they do (happy to be proven wrong). If think they just use them and assume they won’t get sued. Microsoft might be a bigger target to come after if they didn’t licence them.
As a CFI IRL don’t put your pitot heat on while taxiing. It can melt the metal. Really only want to use it on cold days when flying into visible moisture.
I like the look of this mod. I'm doing a tour of Scotland in the G100 172 at the moment and I can't break my immersion by switching planes, but I think once I've finished my tour and flown back to my home airport of Exeter I will get this add on and start using it. I plan to buy flightsimbuilder's GNS 530, it's only $280 and for another $20 they sell a Honeycomb mount so you can screw it into your yoke or throttle quadrant. It would be great if you could review one for the channel if they could give you a review model. It's a great price for a piece of avionics and matches the model in this plane so would combine nicely.
If you have never seen it before. then you have 10 years. for ages there have been A2A simulations on FSX and Prepar 3d for wear and tear airplaines with simulated engines and oil viscosity. and for xplane 11 - rep(reality expansion pack) they make addons for default xplane aircrafts and addons for aftermarket aircrafts.... but for msfs2020 this is one of first of this type planes.
I saw a review a couple of weeks ago that was critical of how little you get for so much money. I disagree - this enhancement is EXCELLENT. Now I actually take some care during start up and shut down, and everything in between. I think this is worth every penny. (I think a little buffing and some speed tape, and your plane should be good as new!)
Great video, thanks, Steve. I've only got the standard edition of MSFS , shame, I would get this and have also some real world hours in the Cessna 172. The needles bobbing and moving is a nice touch and also, I'm not sure if it shows in the sim but in real life the vertical speed needle has a delay in reacting to the aircraft changing altitude. As a fellow biker as well, liked n subbed, cheers, Daz.
I went off this mod when the top left volt screen fogged up and I couldn't turn the avionics on. Couldn't work out what I'd done wrong. This vid has made me want to go back to it and give it another try.
Surprised at the plug fouling. I freely admit to flying a 172 from Blackbushe to Exeter and back, in my first long flight in the 172 with 1 pax, on full rich mixture albeit at correct throttle settings. No noticeable feeling of engine performance degradation. Maybe the mechanics spotted it before it flew tuition the next day 😂
ha brilliant Colin that made me laugh! After I finished recording the video, the engine ran so rough I had to 'de foul' them by leaning the mixture almost to cut off and adding full power. Very realistic I must say!
@@ColinDyckes that's exactly what I think. I also flew the 172 in real life and never experienced fouling even tough I never managed mixture with a lot of attention
While I do agree A2A have already set a high bar in FSX/P3D and do believe they will bring something really quite amazing to MSFS (eventually), they are really starting to lose ground to other developers. Not sure I would pick up this addon (never say never), but it is good to see developers pushing towards that bar and delivering alternative options now. A bit a shame that JF do not appear to have gone quite to this level of detail with their Pipers… either that or I am just treating them too well. :)
@@justflight yes, I have the Warrior and Arrow/turbo Arrow… I do wonder though if I have been treating them too well as I have never run into any problems.
@@justflight A little update - using the Turbo Arrow with Neofly the other day. I was located at an airfield with a fairly short runway with trees at each end. The Arrow was pretty heavy with cargo/passengers so I knew it was going to be a tricky departure as I had just completed a previous passenger run from the same location. This time though I push the engine too hard and became aware the engine RPM dropped a as I accelerated for take off… initially I was not sure what it was, but when the engine RPM fluctuated and dropped again I knew I had too abort the take-off and had just enough runway left to do so. Sure enough when I checked the tablet the engine was showing to be damaged. Very much Pilot error, but having aborted the take-off we all lived to tell the tale. With the engine repaired and paying closer attention to engine limits the following departure was tight but we got away even if a little closer to the tree than ideal!… 😎
Nice overview buddy. Enjoyed your quick review. I was also thinking why did Microsoft not implement those wear and tear to this classic 172 to start with. Especially when you look into for example pmdg dc-6 and level of detail related to gauges and wear and tear.... I'll see if I decide to go for this add-on...
I guess people just want to get up and fly without having to go through the process of preflight checks or worrying about in flight failures but it would be nice to have the option.
When I was flying a 172, the mixture was always fully rich and needed to be leaned once you got to 5000 ft or above. I don’t know if the new 172’s are different, but that was the procedure about 35 years ago when I got my license.
Image a video series that uses this, but allows you to chose your flight school (ACFT there and costs), or buy your own plane (comes with prebuy inspection options), choose your CFI, and makes you get a loan or a job to pay for your training. All the way up to the airlines. Even have an avatar that gets tired and does dumb stuff if you over work them. Give people a REAL flight simulator experience LOL
As long as the flight physics and feel of the aircraft are not adjusted correctly, idc about any visual fine tuning or voltage drops etc. The 172 still does not feel real. Good review though!
Good review and comments. Lots of great details added. I've been searching for comments about this enhancement, but I haven't found any information about improvements to the flight. I'd like to see improved performance so the model matches the real world specification. Would like to see the plane match climb, decent, rates based on current atmospheric pressure and air temp. Does the model stall in the same manner that the real plane would? Are the V speeds modelled accurately? Has anyone noticed an improvement to those type of physical factors?
In terms of realism the out the box experience of MSFS2 was more hardcore and realistic than the current one , it is the single thing that keeps me playing regular, with no combat it needs to offer something else, and currently the out the box experience doesn't offer that, I welcome this mod for sure.
A friend bought this and he couldn’t control the autopilot using the Bravo throttle AP controls. Is anyone else having issues? How is the new AP different?
Obviously a nice addon. Thanks for the review. But can I turn off the ugly, gigantic tooltip overlays and the suddenly screaming colors of the mouse-touched buttons? Or is that true to the original, i.e. also included in the real aircraft?
When you say that it remembers the state you left the plane the next time you use it. How do you restore the original state of the aircraft after a crash landing? Is there an option to return the aircraft to the Original Condition?
l have not a lot of time, just jumped to the end, will save the video for later l m actually wondering if m not gonna upgrade my standar msfs edition to the deluxe (or premium can't remember wich is the best one, just for this add on 😕well actually, good leitmotiv for going at work
I would love to see this mod for the piper archer I fly a G1000 (new) one with ATP as I am doing flight training. could potentially use for trainnig and remembering stuff too. Still cool mod
question: I know it uses the stock 172. Does it replace the stock 172, or do you still have the option to use the default? I'd love to get the add on but sometimes I fly using YourControls with friends and they might not have the add on
Absolutely love this addon but really bummed cfd/nps physics aren’t available for the steam gauge c172. That would make it so much closer to study level
I just posted a response to this but it doesn't show up and I got a returned error message so I'll try again, apologies if its a double post. According to the creater of this add on the CFD and prop upgrades have been applied to this plane as well.
People dream differently.... Sim Pilots: Man, I wish there was a way to fly with equipment failures. Real Pilots: Man, I wish there way to fly without equipment failures.
@@baomao7243 about 15 years ago I put the Xbox 360 on my parents projector (about 10') and played ace combat. I didn't bother the bad guys (I was 35 and not great with a controller only having owned an atari) I instead tried flying along the bridge doing a cork screw. Man what a rush! Now I need to do that in fs2020.
I took the unrealistic shaking out of it... even at 0kt wind speeds it shook like I was in a small storm. It was annoying because the pilot, me, was sitting steady! So the effect was unrealistic and, at least for me, undesirable!
The new enhancement packs do a remarkable job of bringing some of the default aircraft up to a much higher standard. well. Here are my first impressions using the Cessna 172...
BRO!!! that rough landing sold me on it. I'm buying it now!! lol
Great review…Love the ending…..would be pretty cool going through that crash landing in VR!……Wish MSFS had these sort of effects by default!
I’ve flown like 4 different skyhawks with that green livery, the tail numbers all in ND. I had an engine failure in one a while back, made it home to talk about it. brought back a good memory
Wow thta must have been terrifying.
@@VRFlightSimGuy It was, but I had my instructor with me and we actually ended up getting partial power. We made it to an airport
A2A did a Cessna 172 with a lot of the same features as this does but , what this doesn’t have is a full preflight inspection with pre setup spots to check and move parts and fuel check
I love the old school analogue gauges. Not a fan of GPS or fancy computer screens. That's how I learnt to fly with my charts, a CR5, paper and pencil and a timer.
Now that is a study level sim. This is how all planes should be. Just have a setting in settings to make it easier.
12:10 you got it the wrong way round....In a C172, you can extend the first notch of flaps at 110 knots, whereas a Piper is around 89 knots for the first stage.
That kind of damage on hard landing SHOULD BE modeled by default for all MSFS default GA airplanes, imo. And because it isn't, kids and all sorts of newcomers are landing at -400/-500ft/m, and say "wow that was a good landing!" while I make all sorts of cringe faces lol. Worst of all, they will never learn to land properly when the sim is not punishing bad and hard landings, like XP11 does.
That’s be cool, but as I understand it the licences MS agree to with the aircraft manufacturer prohibit showing damage
@@NZ255 Interesting. Multi-billion company have issues with aircraft licensing, but X-Plane 11 does not. I broke C172 in XP11 so many times (broken wings, wheels, etc).
@@Pe11ePD do you know if LR licenses the planes officially? I’m not sure they do (happy to be proven wrong). If think they just use them and assume they won’t get sued. Microsoft might be a bigger target to come after if they didn’t licence them.
The difference between a video game and a sim
@@NZ255 FAA need to be informed if certain games are causing safety issues or miseducating students.
I received an email from just flight about this. Thanks for covering it
As a CFI IRL don’t put your pitot heat on while taxiing. It can melt the metal. Really only want to use it on cold days when flying into visible moisture.
Awesome review! Have a great weekend♥♥♥
Thanks my friend you too!
I like the look of this mod. I'm doing a tour of Scotland in the G100 172 at the moment and I can't break my immersion by switching planes, but I think once I've finished my tour and flown back to my home airport of Exeter I will get this add on and start using it.
I plan to buy flightsimbuilder's GNS 530, it's only $280 and for another $20 they sell a Honeycomb mount so you can screw it into your yoke or throttle quadrant.
It would be great if you could review one for the channel if they could give you a review model. It's a great price for a piece of avionics and matches the model in this plane so would combine nicely.
Hey bud, excellent review. Love the end🤣
Take care.
LOL thanks my friend, especially for watching the whole video, I know you're a busy man. 🙏
If you have never seen it before. then you have 10 years. for ages there have been A2A simulations on FSX and Prepar 3d for wear and tear airplaines with simulated engines and oil viscosity. and for xplane 11 - rep(reality expansion pack) they make addons for default xplane aircrafts and addons for aftermarket aircrafts....
but for msfs2020 this is one of first of this type planes.
Pretty sure I allude to that I'm this video
I saw a review a couple of weeks ago that was critical of how little you get for so much money. I disagree - this enhancement is EXCELLENT. Now I actually take some care during start up and shut down, and everything in between. I think this is worth every penny. (I think a little buffing and some speed tape, and your plane should be good as new!)
Come on WB-Sim, give us the one feature we all want... A setting to put Yakko, Wakko, and Dot in the aircraft with us.
Great video, thanks, Steve. I've only got the standard edition of MSFS , shame, I would get this and have also some real world hours in the Cessna 172. The needles bobbing and moving is a nice touch and also, I'm not sure if it shows in the sim but in real life the vertical speed needle has a delay in reacting to the aircraft changing altitude. As a fellow biker as well, liked n subbed, cheers, Daz.
Thanks Daz much appreciated!
I went off this mod when the top left volt screen fogged up and I couldn't turn the avionics on. Couldn't work out what I'd done wrong. This vid has made me want to go back to it and give it another try.
Surprised at the plug fouling. I freely admit to flying a 172 from Blackbushe to Exeter and back, in my first long flight in the 172 with 1 pax, on full rich mixture albeit at correct throttle settings. No noticeable feeling of engine performance degradation. Maybe the mechanics spotted it before it flew tuition the next day 😂
ha brilliant Colin that made me laugh! After I finished recording the video, the engine ran so rough I had to 'de foul' them by leaning the mixture almost to cut off and adding full power. Very realistic I must say!
@@VRFlightSimGuy I guess they made their mods work 'quicker than real time' so you would actually experience them in a typical flight.
@@ColinDyckes that's exactly what I think. I also flew the 172 in real life and never experienced fouling even tough I never managed mixture with a lot of attention
Okay….so just got this, and cannot figure out how to remove all of the pitot covers etc. How do we remove all of the external covers?
Boris Audio Works sound pack is well, well worth a try (available through Orbx "sounds" menu, - a steal at AU $17.83) 😊
While I do agree A2A have already set a high bar in FSX/P3D and do believe they will bring something really quite amazing to MSFS (eventually), they are really starting to lose ground to other developers. Not sure I would pick up this addon (never say never), but it is good to see developers pushing towards that bar and delivering alternative options now. A bit a shame that JF do not appear to have gone quite to this level of detail with their Pipers… either that or I am just treating them too well. :)
Have you tried our Piper's Paul?
@@justflight yes, I have the Warrior and Arrow/turbo Arrow… I do wonder though if I have been treating them too well as I have never run into any problems.
@@justflight A little update - using the Turbo Arrow with Neofly the other day. I was located at an airfield with a fairly short runway with trees at each end. The Arrow was pretty heavy with cargo/passengers so I knew it was going to be a tricky departure as I had just completed a previous passenger run from the same location.
This time though I push the engine too hard and became aware the engine RPM dropped a as I accelerated for take off… initially I was not sure what it was, but when the engine RPM fluctuated and dropped again I knew I had too abort the take-off and had just enough runway left to do so. Sure enough when I checked the tablet the engine was showing to be damaged. Very much Pilot error, but having aborted the take-off we all lived to tell the tale. With the engine repaired and paying closer attention to engine limits the following departure was tight but we got away even if a little closer to the tree than ideal!… 😎
is the Cessna 172 good for bush flying?
in msfs what is minimum take off and landing in feet ?
Hi! I can't remove chocks and ropes at cold and dark start up, do you know how to do that?
Nice overview buddy. Enjoyed your quick review. I was also thinking why did Microsoft not implement those wear and tear to this classic 172 to start with. Especially when you look into for example pmdg dc-6 and level of detail related to gauges and wear and tear.... I'll see if I decide to go for this add-on...
I guess people just want to get up and fly without having to go through the process of preflight checks or worrying about in flight failures but it would be nice to have the option.
When I was flying a 172, the mixture was always fully rich and needed to be leaned once you got to 5000 ft or above. I don’t know if the new 172’s are different, but that was the procedure about 35 years ago when I got my license.
Image a video series that uses this, but allows you to chose your flight school (ACFT there and costs), or buy your own plane (comes with prebuy inspection options), choose your CFI, and makes you get a loan or a job to pay for your training. All the way up to the airlines. Even have an avatar that gets tired and does dumb stuff if you over work them. Give people a REAL flight simulator experience LOL
As long as the flight physics and feel of the aircraft are not adjusted correctly, idc about any visual fine tuning or voltage drops etc.
The 172 still does not feel real. Good review though!
Good review and comments. Lots of great details added. I've been searching for comments about this enhancement, but I haven't found any information about improvements to the flight. I'd like to see improved performance so the model matches the real world specification. Would like to see the plane match climb, decent, rates based on current atmospheric pressure and air temp. Does the model stall in the same manner that the real plane would? Are the V speeds modelled accurately? Has anyone noticed an improvement to those type of physical factors?
Tablet not added also due to encryption of the 3d model
gotcha ty
The store page claims that the struts can come off from too many hard landings. You should try to test that lol.
Do you not care at all for my safety? LOL
In terms of realism the out the box experience of MSFS2 was more hardcore and realistic than the current one , it is the single thing that keeps me playing regular, with no combat it needs to offer something else, and currently the out the box experience doesn't offer that, I welcome this mod for sure.
how do you get AP to engage? mine wont work...
What is the average cruise height of a C172, even over decently long flights?
I have a question...Is this panel an overlay or is this an entirely different airplane.? I have the deluxe version.
A friend bought this and he couldn’t control the autopilot using the Bravo throttle AP controls. Is anyone else having issues? How is the new AP different?
Obviously a nice addon. Thanks for the review. But can I turn off the ugly, gigantic tooltip overlays and the suddenly screaming colors of the mouse-touched buttons? Or is that true to the original, i.e. also included in the real aircraft?
You can disable those in the sim settings. Those are from the sim, not the aircraft..
Think they need to work on the drag at full flaps. I never lost lift at full flaps before lol
Nice video not sure why plugs are fouling you don’t need to use mixture below 3k ft… what airport did you fly out of? Thanks
Does the black panel come with this?
I am looking for a similar and handsment for the 172 equipped with Garmin g1000. Is this only for the gauge version? 😭
Enhancement (cant edit my post)
On the opening of doors, it might not be possible for 3rd party developers if the SDK does not give access to such a modification.
ORBX have an amazing new sound package that ups the level even more…
can we purchase the addon for the xbox ser s?
When you say that it remembers the state you left the plane the next time you use it. How do you restore the original state of the aircraft after a crash landing? Is there an option to return the aircraft to the Original Condition?
l have not a lot of time, just jumped to the end, will save the video for later
l m actually wondering if m not gonna upgrade my standar msfs edition to the deluxe (or premium can't remember wich is the best one, just for this add on 😕well actually, good leitmotiv for going at work
I would love to see this mod for the piper archer I fly a G1000 (new) one with ATP as I am doing flight training. could potentially use for trainnig and remembering stuff too. Still cool mod
Is there an PFS impact in wick configuration for VR ? I don't have any problem with the C172 stock. ^^
The doors cant be opened at the moment due to the 3d model being still encrypted. The devs will do it when they can
Good to know thanks
Are you running the vr prop mod Steve?
I purchased this mod for the 172 the day JF released it, and I haven't flown anything else since.
what do you do or what do you have to move freely inside the cockpit?
Any news abou this add on going to XBOX too?
looks great. Strange decision to do it only for the deluxe version though. Cutting off a rather large part of the potential market.
It's not strange at all, this aircraft is only available in the Deluxe edition
I wish they'd make a G1000 version of this also
EDIT: I didn't hear any in game sounds when your started the engine
Any idea if a full on rework/ mod or for the 152 is in the works?
question: I know it uses the stock 172. Does it replace the stock 172, or do you still have the option to use the default? I'd love to get the add on but sometimes I fly using YourControls with friends and they might not have the add on
it does'nt replace the default
Does this works with FSRealistic?
Absolutely love this addon but really bummed cfd/nps physics aren’t available for the steam gauge c172. That would make it so much closer to study level
I just posted a response to this but it doesn't show up and I got a returned error message so I'll try again, apologies if its a double post. According to the creater of this add on the CFD and prop upgrades have been applied to this plane as well.
@@kevinbrook7033 That is such good news. You made my night. Do you have a link or know where they talked about this?
Pardon my ignorance. What are cfd/nps physics? And can we share the link that Tyler was asking about?
Hello, thx for the video, can i use this upgrade with the standard cessna 172?
It almost looks like Smiley is amazed...
(What head tracking do you use ?) Love this add on. Great video.
Thanks! AimXY head tracker.
Can you buy tbis in the marketplace, or do I have to get it directly from Justflight?
Only directly from us currently Julian
@@justflight I just got it. Very easy to install. Thank you!
People dream differently....
Sim Pilots: Man, I wish there was a way to fly with equipment failures.
Real Pilots: Man, I wish there way to fly without equipment failures.
Kids: This sucks. Why isn’t it as fun as Ace Combat ?
@@baomao7243 about 15 years ago I put the Xbox 360 on my parents projector (about 10') and played ace combat. I didn't bother the bad guys (I was 35 and not great with a controller only having owned an atari) I instead tried flying along the bridge doing a cork screw. Man what a rush! Now I need to do that in fs2020.
Will they be doing their fir the default C152?
I really hope so
I took the unrealistic shaking out of it... even at 0kt wind speeds it shook like I was in a small storm. It was annoying because the pilot, me, was sitting steady! So the effect was unrealistic and, at least for me, undesirable!
great review, shame i only have the gamepass version.
Your repair bill is going to be substantial :)
The only thing that could make it more real is that you'd have to pay a virtual A&P for any damage you do!! lol 😅
😂😂
Great review -- really appreciate it. And I'm sorry to be "that guy", but "idiosyncracities" isn't a word...
Haha I'm aware I said it wrong, but I'm not bothered 👍
Talking about realism when those landings do not look real imo. Still a long way to go for realistic feeling especially in windy conditions.
They feel much better in VR 👍
@@VRFlightSimGuy for the cockput builders, can we assign each circuit breakers to a keyboard stroke for instance?
I believe A2A are building aircraft for the sim. Once they release their 172, this will be not as attractive.
Nothing beats A2A
At this pace you may see a A2A 172 in MSFS in 2025
@@fsx-legend4602 2025? You're being generous lmao.. More like 2030
You like realism? You can pay me for the repairs if you want. I'll send you my rate card and where to send the money.
why the h3ll every msfs player on youtube make awesome videos but always hide the yoke broooooo!
When will there be a Xbox add on version?✈️🛫🛬
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