The fact that Moe was treated so badly on tour makes me sad. Unfortunately being different will get you picked on. After watching his Fireside chat, was amazed at how deep he was. His peers robbed the world of getting to know this man. He may have been the best ever if he could have stayed on the PGA tour.
@@gaddylh yes he could have been great but all the players from his generation were better in tournaments..i think it's really about that..maybe I'm wrong but professional golf is prob the hardest sport to to make other than being ab nfl qb...or maybe an nhl goalie...lol idk
It's not clear what happened on the PGA. In any case, he decided to stay in Canada. It seems clear that if he had not felt rejected by the PGA, yes, he would have been a dominant player and a household name, yes. His scores in Canada made that crystal clear He was not just a driving range showman He had 33 course records (!) The notion that the PGA courses or tournaments are just harder is ludicrous. They're very similar.
I saw Moe play a CPGA event when I was a kid, he was playing in bare feet, talking to the crowd, what a character. There are a set of his irons on display at a local course in my area, every club has a one inch circle worn into the sweet spot, I don't think he ever hit the ball anywhere else....no toe shots, no thin, bottomy shots, and certainly no shanks, incredible. It's heartwarming that Titleist treated him so well until the end of his life, he certainly deserved it.
I caddied for Moe in a Pro Am, introduced myself 22 yrs later at Heron Point, he remembered me and we walked a few holes. A good but misunderstood man.
Shame on you PGA for your treatment of an eccentric genius! He didn't hurt anybody. What could have been? RIP Moe! Golf definitely is Happiness! I'm sure you are in golf heaven now!
Unfortunately, for Moe, the PGA golf was - and is- both a business and an exclusive club; those were also very conservative times, you conformed or you were out. I'd like to think it might be a bit different now.
It was the tour it was the nature of man. So easy to scorn so quick to judge. So narcissistic that the genius of another man sparks fear and anger in others . I've been through the same things with pool. I feel for him. He truly loved the game and had a passion. Some men go eons of lifetimes and never find it. Moe was closest to God because he was himself and had no shame . Thank you for Blessing us with your presence Moe.
“Golf is happiness It’s intoxication without the hangover It’s stimulation without the pills The price is high yet the rewards are richer Some say it’s a boys pastime yet it builds a man It cleanses the mind and rejuvenates the body It is these things and many more for those of us who know and love it Golf is truly happiness”
My Dad used to talk about Moe even when I was first taking up golf in 1980. Although it wasn't well known at the time my supersmart Dad had Moe figured out and was quite bitter even then about how he was treated in the U.S. and how they ran him off the tour. Moe was way ahead of his time, like 60 years ahead of his time. The world is not perfect even now but it's a much more accepting and tolerant place than it was then. Moe would be the talk of golf if could keep up with the PGA pros today and I don't know if that would have given him the encouragement he needed or the attention would have frightened him off. Had he been successful on tour today he would have been the Tiger Woods of autistic athletes in a sport practically tailor made for someone like Moe. God bless you Moe.
Ben Hogan once watched Moe Norman on the range hitting shots, He had once said prior to this that any shot that went straight was an accident because it couldn't be repeated. After watching Moe hit shot after shot after shot straight as a tight rope, he told Moe.... keep hitting those mistakes kid.... He just needed a handler... like golfers today.... if he had someone to "help" him through everything he faced.... he would have been one of the best ever...... RIP MOE...
Yep, if there was just some other pro with clout that took him under his wing and made him feel safe and welcome and helped him work thru things...there's absolutely no limit to what he could have done...the most frightening thing is as good as he was he wasn't even close to what he could have been...imagine I'd he went pro and got sponsorships and all that, new great equipment, shoes, money, no anxiety, access to pro facilities...he would have been unstoppable
This man is a legend when working as at a course in Florida one of my good friends Jason worked at a course that he used to play all the time and he told me a story about Moe when he was 70 someone put a beach towel out on the driving range about 165 yards out and he stood there and hit 25 4 iron shots in a row and landed 23 on the blanket
I have a freind that caddie for him twice in the Canadian amateur championship, after the first championship asked my friend his phone number so he could caddie the next year he didn't right the number down but called him the next year to caddie for him,what a remarkable man .
Rainman of golf. Golfing genius. Very misunderstood man by his USA golfing peers. It would have great to see him compete at the highest levels with the golfing greats of his time..
I had the opportunity to meet Moe once. At the Players Championship in '84'. I was the head pro at the TPC Sawgrass. And what I saw was unbelievable. At first, I thought he was a caddy with the way he was dressed. Didn't know who he was. But 40 of the worlds top players were awestruck watching him. I was about to have him removed when Payne Stewart stopped me and let me know..."Man...that's Moe Norman". !! ME: Who? Stewart: "Moe Norman. !!! Watch this guy Jimmy" . My jaw dropped. Absolutely amazing. I have never in my life seen anything like this level of ball striking. NEVER ! The man was amazing. Afterwords I introduced myself. He was so polite and pleasant .A true gentlemen. Thank you Moe for that moment.
Its part of the corporate bs world and people are tired of dealing with it. Just like working today, meetings all the time that waste time, upper mgmt. thinking they are God. If it wasn't for health care people who are at least 60 would say kiss my ass corp world I just want to work and do the best I can not suck up to you people
It’s sickening what the PGA did to Moe! Been playing this game since I was 5. I’m 48 today and just tonight was introduced to Mr. Moe through a TH-cam video. I am now and will be forever a Mr. Moe Norman fan. Thanks for just being yourself.
At least he lives on in the archives For us to try to learn from him. Also, it says a lot that professional players like Tiger Woods give him such high praise.
Holy crap! I was just saying the same exact thing!! I just heard of Moe toinght!! I thought i knew my golf and golfers..smh i wanna know why he quit during the Masters, twice though.?
There is nothing like being out on the course alone.. staring down a 120 yard shot and nailing it next to the pin. There is nothing like being out on the course alone... and finally reaching your score goal, screaming and collapsing, with only wind and side noise joining you. Best way to describe golf was what Moe said, HAPPINESS. Boys pastime, yet it builds men. That will stick with me for life. I know Moe, so do you, as long as you are putting your heart into the game.
Nothing new. It happens to geniuses and visionaries in every walk of life throughout history. The difference is usually the amount of resources or family connections.
PGA tour officials really messed up there from a economic standpoint so many people would have gone to tournaments to watch him and he probably would have won a lot of times. He is kinda like Dechembeau without science they ruined a man who would have shaped the PGA tour like Palmer, Woods, Nicklaus, Player, Hogan, Daly and many other greats
the little robot he's talking about is the iron grip of habits... once a habit (good or bad) sets in, you become a robot doing things without thinking.
I think what he's also talking about is anxiety and autism, or the effects of those. That as he got older, because of those two things, his habits got to feeling like they were running him rather than him choosing them.
Its sad to see a man with this kind of apparent kindness and indisputable talent in connection with the golf swing be so misunderstood. I suspect in todays world he would have been better able to understand his condition, whatever it may have been. Understanding is the first step to living with a condition such as anxiety or autism.
I got to see Moe many times in tournaments and he was a marvel to watch. One day on my home course Moe was there...he was there many times just to hang out. This day he was hitting balls on the range and of course he had many people watching as he always attracted a crowd. The rain started and everyone left except Moe and myself and a couple of others. I got behind Moe and watched real close and chatting with him....which was a delight. But the real prize was to see up close how pure and brilliant a ball striker he was. Every story I heard as a young golfer about the legend of Moe and his brilliance of a ball striker was now 6 feet away and I am watching with sheer amazement. And I say this as I was at the time a scratch golfer and loved the game so dearly. There is no exaggeration about the pureness of Moe's ball striking. You really have to see it up close to believe how pure and solidly he struck the ball.....every single time. Every single shot over and over and over again and again. The sound was different and the flight of the ball was just majestic and of course straight as an arrow. Moe was greatness and a legend and also a sweet sweet man. I am sure he was on the spectrum and that was probably his reason for not being able to compete on the PGA tour. Such a loss for golf.
I wish I'd seen it...I heard it was like he was a robot...the balls landed in a neat pile, almost like it was fake...that's what my dad told me when he saw him
@@MrMark945 ...yes he was a machine. And I as I stated in my original post.....there is no exaggeration about his greatness as a ball striker. So pure every time.
Growing up my dad would take me to hangout with the guys at Rockway, Moe and my dad had a very special bond. I was 11 when he passed. My dad's Kitchener's mini Moe!
Mo got crapped on from a great height ....sometimes your just born too early ....born 40 yrs later he would have been one of the all time greats greater understanding of him as a person and his condition Once in a lifetime person that will never come round again and we missed his greatness by hiding him away ......absolute tragedy 🎭
I learned to swing like Moe and hit almost every fairway. Lost only about 20 yards, but don't look for balls anymore so it is worth it. Handicap has gone down from 16 to 12 in one year. Straight is better than crooked!!!
I lost a lot of distance as well trying to copy Moe until I learned about the similar Setup for Impact golf swing. They let you stand closer to the ball and use your body more. More like Bryson Dechambeu who has won on tour four times. This is more how they teach you to swing. Now I hit it both farther and straighter than ever. Give it a try. th-cam.com/video/qern9uZyHhA/w-d-xo.html
Before his time & also, sadly before our time now. If he was around in his prime in the 2030's I hope humanity could accommodate such greatness then. Ultimately, we failed to acknowledge pure talent & that is OUR loss.
Pga you robbed the world of the greatest golf mind to ever exist...the things we could have learned from him, he would have been beloved by fans around the world and you took that...shame
He played quite a few tournaments. If he was that dominant, he would've won. What he ran into was a bunch of spoil sports who thought that everyone wanted to see decorum. He probably would've won some tournaments, but if he was as head and shoulders above everyone like people seem to lionize him to be, he would've won one of the 15 or so PGA events that he played in.
@@daw162 the problem was also moe was hitting tee balls off of coke bottles to enterain and i think some glass was ending up in the crowds. i don't think it was just as simple as him being different.
In the interview on Moe he talks a bout a robot that he tells what to he wants, and it reminds me of a conference man named "DANDAPANI" saying "repeat what you want a 100 a day until you believe in that asseveration and helps archive what the person needs.
For most people outside of Canada, not regular golf watchers, or golf fans from 1960-80's, Moe would not hit anyone's radar unless they stumble across the odd video on TH-cam. For those of us who grew up with Moe dominating the CPGA during the 70's we had the pleasure of watching a magician ball striker, as Tiger said, only two players owned their swing, Hogan and Norman. To answer some of the questions from below, here it goes. Moe was a golf machine when hitting the golf ball, but like alot of old and current PGA players, he was not a great putter. On the PGA and later on the CPGA, he was a very fast player and hated slow play. Pretending to fall asleep on his bag in the middle of the fairway while his playing partners took to much time debating on the club was one of the issues the PGA got in his face about. Teeing up the ball on coke bottles also had the PGA getting upset. His clothing choices were also a bit off, preferring turtlenecks and long sleeve shirts instead of regular collared short sleeved shirts while playing in Florida drew alot of negative attention . The teeth issue , as he drank to many sweets and was afraid of dentists didn't help but as most people now look back with more knowledge with Autism and other mental issues, most believe Moe did have some sort of learning or mental handicap. He was hit in the head when a young child while tobagganing and was struck by a car. For the few ignorant people below who left such witty comments as, how many teeth or Tiger won more majors then he has teeth, well, Moe could care less about your thoughts and the majority of humanity reading your quips will put them done to your just ignorant of other peoples feelings and we pity you for being a moron. Once on the tour, playing with a few players again looking at yardage books etc and playing slow, he walked up to the ball without doing anything other then grabbing a club. One of the playing partners asked him why he was in such a hurry and not taking his time. His reply was "did they move the green from yesterday" Enough said.
Why didn't he have a caddie to tell him not to tee up on coke bottles and not pretend to sleep on his bag? Simple fix and if he didn't want to stop doing shenanigans like that then he shouldn't be out there. Don't think a spectator would appreciate getting glass in their eye from a coke bottle.
I used to see Moe in the early mornings in the coffee shop at Carlisle golf course north of Burlington, Ontario. Guy in the pro shop told me he didn't like to be approached by anyone he didn't know and it was probably just that social awkwardness. Also saw Moe in the parking lot open his trunk and there were what looked like dozens of loose clubs. I suspect he hit them all the same, dead straight. I don't think we appreciated him enough when he was alive.
It doesn’t surprise me one bit that members of the golf “profession” bullied Moe. Some of the biggest ASSHOLES ever to walk the face of the earth are members of the “Gentlemen’s Game”. Moe deserved, and deserves, better than that. They bullied Moe because they were intimidated by him. So, as with any other bully, they personally attack his looks, his speech, his teeth, his meager and humble lifestyle, his clothes, his breath. Like I said, some of the biggest ASSHOLES are representatives of the “Gentlemen’s Game.” And still, even in this ESPN story, they protect the image of the game by not naming the members who shamed Moe into quitting the Tour. They should be embarrassed.
Sam Snead didn't give Moe good advice. He put him down. And Moe took it to heart and went to be range as he always did to take his mind off things. I really hope tiger beats sams record now.
famous moe story he was playing a tournament and was using the club champ as his caddy....they get to a hole and club champ tells him its a driver 9 iron for him....so moe hits the 9 iron off the tee then hits driver off the deck onto the green.......he often played 20 valley where i am a member......i saw his wedge up close there was a dot wear mark right in the middle small as a dime......because he hit the ball in same place on club every time
It was a different type of world back then as far as medical diagnosis and understanding in general of such conditions. He would have possibly been a happier person and certainly better received in todays world. Is simply say happier since living with anxiety and criticisms like he apparently did is certainly not comfortable for anyone regardless of how strong of a person you may be. We are all human, we all feel bad emotionally when people pick us apart.
My golf instructor in Ponoka Alberta mentioned Moe to me. He had caddied for Moe once and later played with him. I am honoured to have that small linkage to a truly great golfer
I often wonder - people are trying to dissect Moe's swing, if we look at Bryson, it looks quite similar and surely I see what Moe means by how he "simplifies" the swing. But ultimately, could his amazing ball striking also just come from the fact that he was "talent" to start with and then he proceeded to do almost nothing else than golf for the rest of his life. According to accounts he had no other interests than golf, he didn't have friends or even a romantic relationship ever in his life, just golf and not just golf but in particular ball striking (he wasn't really interested in putting either). So he just practiced ball striking more than anyone else probably ever has. Tour pros have families, sponsor duties, lot of putting practice etc. Moe probably hit the most balls of anyone ever and was gifted to start with. At that point it probably hardly matters what swing you pick, you will be god-tier. Maybe I am wrong though, just thinking out loud, please comment what you think!
I understand your point however, from my perspective, all talent is earned. Nobody is born with a golf swing. There are easy ways and hard ways. Moe earned his swing and in the process discovered the easiest way.
How you get the club head square at impact has several permutations ! Are you willing to give up a little distance for Knowing Where It’s Going To Land - EVERY TIME ? Idiot Savant ? RIP ! 🥲
as someone myself with High Functioning Autism it's truly sad at just how people reacted to it due to the lack of understanding of it back then, whereas today it's more commonly accepted because there is more of an understanding of it, look at Billy Mayfair for example who has actually been diagnosed as being on the spectrum, and I have to agree that if he had someone in his corner to back him when he go shutdown for being different, some one to say "don't let them get to you! you are who you are, that makes you unique, you are your own trail blazer, and that is a beautiful thing, embrace it!" he probably would have had an army of fans like John Daly just because of his own uniqueness.
C'mon let's be real, Moe was on the spectrum, and that isn't any hit against Moe. My nephew is. Moe couldn't handle the extreme stimulus inflicted upon him by playing on tour. The flashes, the roars, no one on the spectrum can handle that kind of stimulus. If they'd played it on a silent golf course...if...if...if. He's still the best striker of a golf ball ever, that was his talent. God Bless you Moe.
100% yes, if you dont think he had autism you're crazy...with all we know now about autism things would have been different and he would be celebrated...he was quite literallf ahead of his time
Michael Libert MIKE, he did that exact same thing to Ken Venturi in the 56 Masters, Snead May have a beauty swing, but he was a prick. So glad he never won a US Open.
@vachief well ya gotta respect the skill. I guess it's the intangibles that make a winner. I'm one of the dummys who though 2 weeks ago that when the other players saw Tiger walking down the back 9 on sunday with his red shirt that they would all crumble, but these guys are tough
Why would somebody be afraid in golf of the opponent? I don't get this intimidation idea people are talking about? What does he do, threaten people if they don't let him win?
Moe's lack of etiquette and odd behavior more than likely got on Snead's and everyone else's nerves. Not to condone the PGA how they treated him, but it shouldn't be much of a surprise either. Elitist organization yes, but it was what is was long before even any of those guys walked on a course.
I love it, screwed the PGA tour, plenty of bigoted, Republican, hypocrites in that group, then went on to a great career in Canada, seems like a guy that loved life. Hat's off to Titelist for hooking him up with 5k a month, it was a smart business move, and it benefitted Moe, a win win. That's the reason I always buy Titelist balls, and play Titelist irons.
I have and still do hang around some tour players. Seen Moe do a demo. 200 balls not 1 more than 10ft off line, whether it was a SW, driver or 6 iron from a divot. No tour player even close when it came to control
I had the opportunity to hold his sandwich could barely lift it felt like a wait at least 30 pounds he like to Tinker with his clubs and take the raw castings and finish them off to his specs which seems like just the Polish
@@johnpearlstein457 💩 he looked like he could eat a 30 lbs sandwich 😂👍 I'm just teasing, I believe his methods made more sense than any other swing in history and the results spoke for themselves. Bryson DeChambeu discovered the same thing without Moe's influence. The future of golf I believe is the inline address.
HAHA, I was over here at my desk tears rolling down my face. Girlfriend was like "what are you crying for" ... then she watched it and started balling. It's so frustrating seeing people be themselves...and getting trashed on for it. Greed all over in the U.S. ... extremely pathetic and cowardly. There is no honesty. That is why it means so much to even find out about Moe. Few people in the world that can golf great, even less that are genuine.
Think about what we could have learned from this man...he understood things we still don't even with all the technology and launch monitors....but no. Typical golf culture
Moe would be a publicist's wet dream in today's golf world! We love characters! 😂 Most of us grew up watching John Daly, Tiger, Sergio, etc. They were a product of watching guys like Trevino.
His brain was damaged as a kid. That's what gave him the mighty focus. But... A strange personality. Back then, people didn't like strange. Wait... we still don't. Oh well. That's life.
One thing I hate about golf is the stigma of having to look a certain way. Act a certain way. If you want to play, play. If you want to be a pro and you have the skill no matter what you look like if you have the skill you should be accepted. Golf is a sport for anyone and everyone. Not for certain people who look a certain way or act a certain way
Hia Todd, I watched this again, started to cry a bit. Golf Is Happiness❤when you love it enough to get really good, like Moe and Me and Bobby and other guys who knew and know and have the little robot. I’m a bit of an odd ball too. I am a world class player. But, I don’t like people or Pros. So I try to mind my own. Love you thanks for keeping my pal alive! Moe was the greatest like me and Bobby, cause of pure ball striking. Skills born of practice to the point of obsession. Then reap what ya sow, boys! If you love Golf, you will practice to match up against old man par, and occasionally kick his ass. But, don’t get haughty. 😅
Lee Trevino said Moe would have won every major on the PGA tour if he was more accepted by his peers and officials in his day.
Lee was one of the few greats who knew and respected Moe. Lee had it tough coming up too, but he overcame his poverty and became one of the best ever.
The fact that Moe was treated so badly on tour makes me sad. Unfortunately being different will get you picked on. After watching his Fireside chat, was amazed at how deep he was. His peers robbed the world of getting to know this man. He may have been the best ever if he could have stayed on the PGA tour.
This is truth, my dad new moe
@@gaddylh yes he could have been great but all the players from his generation were better in tournaments..i think it's really about that..maybe I'm wrong but professional golf is prob the hardest sport to to make other than being ab nfl qb...or maybe an nhl goalie...lol idk
It's not clear what happened on the PGA. In any case, he decided to stay in Canada.
It seems clear that if he had not felt rejected by the PGA, yes, he would have been a dominant player and a household name, yes.
His scores in Canada made that crystal clear
He was not just a driving range showman
He had 33 course records (!)
The notion that the PGA courses or tournaments are just harder is ludicrous. They're very similar.
I saw Moe play a CPGA event when I was a kid, he was playing in bare feet, talking to the crowd, what a character. There are a set of his irons on display at a local course in my area, every club has a one inch circle worn into the sweet spot, I don't think he ever hit the ball anywhere else....no toe shots, no thin, bottomy shots, and certainly no shanks, incredible. It's heartwarming that Titleist treated him so well until the end of his life, he certainly deserved it.
I caddied for Moe in a Pro Am, introduced myself 22 yrs later at Heron Point, he remembered me and we walked a few holes. A good but misunderstood man.
Prove it or it didn’t happen
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That is too cool!!
Shame on you PGA for your treatment of an eccentric genius! He didn't hurt anybody. What could have been? RIP Moe! Golf definitely is Happiness! I'm sure you are in golf heaven now!
Unfortunately, for Moe, the PGA golf was - and is- both a business and an exclusive club; those were also very conservative times, you conformed or you were out. I'd like to think it might be a bit different now.
Well said mate!
The ignorance and entitlement back then was criminal. Bunch of yuppies who have that exclusive old boys club BS.
It was the tour it was the nature of man. So easy to scorn so quick to judge. So narcissistic that the genius of another man sparks fear and anger in others . I've been through the same things with pool. I feel for him. He truly loved the game and had a passion. Some men go eons of lifetimes and never find it. Moe was closest to God because he was himself and had no shame . Thank you for Blessing us with your presence Moe.
A man ahead of his time. He would have been embraced like no other golfer in this day and age.
“Golf is happiness
It’s intoxication without the hangover
It’s stimulation without the pills
The price is high yet the rewards are richer
Some say it’s a boys pastime yet it builds a man
It cleanses the mind and rejuvenates the body
It is these things and many more for those of us who know and love it
Golf is truly happiness”
Brilliant mind. On his own level.
Lifelong message for me. I'll never forget those words.
Amen Moe.
Wow genius on so many levels. Maybe he was autistic or had an undiagnosed brain injury...
But he was a good man. Gods gift to golf and life.
Moe is a true legend of the game. That’s a beautiful quote.
My Dad used to talk about Moe even when I was first taking up golf in 1980. Although it wasn't well known at the time my supersmart Dad had Moe figured out and was quite bitter even then about how he was treated in the U.S. and how they ran him off the tour. Moe was way ahead of his time, like 60 years ahead of his time. The world is not perfect even now but it's a much more accepting and tolerant place than it was then. Moe would be the talk of golf if could keep up with the PGA pros today and I don't know if that would have given him the encouragement he needed or the attention would have frightened him off. Had he been successful on tour today he would have been the Tiger Woods of autistic athletes in a sport practically tailor made for someone like Moe. God bless you Moe.
Ben Hogan once watched Moe Norman on the range hitting shots, He had once said prior to this that any shot that went straight was an accident because it couldn't be repeated. After watching Moe hit shot after shot after shot straight as a tight rope, he told Moe.... keep hitting those mistakes kid....
He just needed a handler... like golfers today.... if he had someone to "help" him through everything he faced.... he would have been one of the best ever...... RIP MOE...
Yep, if there was just some other pro with clout that took him under his wing and made him feel safe and welcome and helped him work thru things...there's absolutely no limit to what he could have done...the most frightening thing is as good as he was he wasn't even close to what he could have been...imagine I'd he went pro and got sponsorships and all that, new great equipment, shoes, money, no anxiety, access to pro facilities...he would have been unstoppable
It’s really hard to watch this without crying. He was such a unique character, and an amazing athlete…
This man is a legend when working as at a course in Florida one of my good friends Jason worked at a course that he used to play all the time and he told me a story about Moe when he was 70 someone put a beach towel out on the driving range about 165 yards out and he stood there and hit 25 4 iron shots in a row and landed 23 on the blanket
"Titleist CEO announced he would put Moe Norman on a $5000 a month retainer for life, just for being who he was." - What a great stroke.
Yes.
I have a freind that caddie for him twice in the Canadian amateur championship, after the first championship asked my friend his phone number so he could caddie the next year he didn't right the number down but called him the next year to caddie for him,what a remarkable man .
Rainman of golf. Golfing genius. Very misunderstood man by his USA golfing peers. It would have great to see him compete at the highest levels with the golfing greats of his time..
I had the opportunity to meet Moe once. At the Players Championship in '84'. I was the head pro at the TPC Sawgrass. And what I saw was unbelievable. At first, I thought he was a caddy with the way he was dressed. Didn't know who he was. But 40 of the worlds top players were awestruck watching him. I was about to have him removed when Payne Stewart stopped me and let me know..."Man...that's Moe Norman". !!
ME: Who?
Stewart: "Moe Norman. !!! Watch this guy Jimmy" .
My jaw dropped. Absolutely amazing. I have never in my life seen anything like this level of ball striking. NEVER ! The man was amazing.
Afterwords I introduced myself. He was so polite and pleasant .A true gentlemen.
Thank you Moe for that moment.
He played the Canadian Tour and in a stretch of 7 consecutive years, he never once hit a ball out of bounds.
Thanks for sharing
Why were you going to have him removed? Sounds like an issue with you.
Tell us more about that. Can you describe the specifics of why it was so incredible?
17 hole in ones on tour....holy cow ! Three 59's .... how many double eagles. He's a poet too !
14 double eagles.
Math genius as well and photographic memory
And he barely played.
One of his 59s was at age 62. Ridiculous!
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SHAME ON YOU PGA...
All he needed was compassion and understanding.....he was a very special man God rest his soul x #PGABullies
If you don’t believe in god where were you before you existed?
Its part of the corporate bs world and people are tired of dealing with it. Just like working today, meetings all the time that waste time, upper mgmt. thinking they are God. If it wasn't for health care people who are at least 60 would say kiss my ass corp world I just want to work and do the best I can not suck up to you people
@don cherry why the negativity? Be happy my friend, be positive, things will always be better for you when you are.
It’s sickening what the PGA did to Moe! Been playing this game since I was 5. I’m 48 today and just tonight was introduced to Mr. Moe through a TH-cam video. I am now and will be forever a Mr. Moe Norman fan. Thanks for just being yourself.
I am also 48 only been playing for 4 years but Moe Norman swing has changed everything for me. thanks MO
At least he lives on in the archives For us to try to learn from him. Also, it says a lot that professional players like Tiger Woods give him such high praise.
Holy crap! I was just saying the same exact thing!! I just heard of Moe toinght!! I thought i knew my golf and golfers..smh i wanna know why he quit during the Masters, twice though.?
@@shawnnixon2616 Because of Sam Snead. He didn't do Moe any favors and gave him bad advice.
I totally agree..the sad part is, the tour is still that way. That’s why a lot of them joined LIV
There is nothing like being out on the course alone.. staring down a 120 yard shot and nailing it next to the pin. There is nothing like being out on the course alone... and finally reaching your score goal, screaming and collapsing, with only wind and side noise joining you. Best way to describe golf was what Moe said, HAPPINESS. Boys pastime, yet it builds men. That will stick with me for life. I know Moe, so do you, as long as you are putting your heart into the game.
It kills me this guy got no recognition until the last quarter of his life his techniques are very simple whether one plane or not.
Better than never at all
Nothing new. It happens to geniuses and visionaries in every walk of life throughout history. The difference is usually the amount of resources or family connections.
PGA tour officials really messed up there from a economic standpoint so many people would have gone to tournaments to watch him and he probably would have won a lot of times. He is kinda like Dechembeau without science they ruined a man who would have shaped the PGA tour like Palmer, Woods, Nicklaus, Player, Hogan, Daly and many other greats
You really are going to put John daly with thowe names
the little robot he's talking about is the iron grip of habits... once a habit (good or bad) sets in, you become a robot doing things without thinking.
I think what he's also talking about is anxiety and autism, or the effects of those. That as he got older, because of those two things, his habits got to feeling like they were running him rather than him choosing them.
Its sad to see a man with this kind of apparent kindness and indisputable talent in connection with the golf swing be so misunderstood. I suspect in todays world he would have been better able to understand his condition, whatever it may have been. Understanding is the first step to living with a condition such as anxiety or autism.
@@breakthrough8628 too true brother
I've always liked Titleist...now I love them. That made my day to hear that. Moe Norman...the great man. Thanks...!
I got to see Moe many times in tournaments and he was a marvel to watch. One day on my home course Moe was there...he was there many times just to hang out. This day he was hitting balls on the range and of course he had many people watching as he always attracted a crowd.
The rain started and everyone left except Moe and myself and a couple of others. I got behind Moe and watched real close and chatting with him....which was a delight. But the real prize was to see up close how pure and brilliant a ball striker he was. Every story I heard as a young golfer about the legend of Moe and his brilliance of a ball striker was now 6 feet away and I am watching with sheer amazement. And I say this as I was at the time a scratch golfer and loved the game so dearly.
There is no exaggeration about the pureness of Moe's ball striking. You really have to see it up close to believe how pure and solidly he struck the ball.....every single time. Every single shot over and over and over again and again. The sound was different and the flight of the ball was just majestic and of course straight as an arrow.
Moe was greatness and a legend and also a sweet sweet man. I am sure he was on the spectrum and that was probably his reason for not being able to compete on the PGA tour. Such a loss for golf.
I wish I'd seen it...I heard it was like he was a robot...the balls landed in a neat pile, almost like it was fake...that's what my dad told me when he saw him
@@MrMark945 ...yes he was a machine. And I as I stated in my original post.....there is no exaggeration about his greatness as a ball striker. So pure every time.
@@shoichleach74callum7 Thank you :-)
I understood the reason he left the tour to be those aholes who dressed him down.
Played with Moe many times. Showed me the parachute shot. Absolutely the best.
They loved Happy Gilmore, what was wrong with Moe Norman, he was just being himself.
Growing up my dad would take me to hangout with the guys at Rockway, Moe and my dad had a very special bond. I was 11 when he passed. My dad's Kitchener's mini Moe!
Wish I could have met Mr Norman, I have so much respect for this gentleman.
Just wish there is a movie about Moe . Just can't get enough of him.
www.thefeelingofgreatness.com/donate when you donate, you can get Moe Norman Swag and be a part of the film
Hi Todd - is the movie still tied up in post production?
I remember watching one of his interviews where he said to approach the ball with an air of "alert indifference." Profound words, those.
Moe sounds like my kind of golfer
Mo got crapped on from a great height ....sometimes your just born too early ....born 40 yrs later he would have been one of the all time greats greater understanding of him as a person and his condition Once in a lifetime person that will never come round again and we missed his greatness by hiding him away ......absolute tragedy 🎭
I learned to swing like Moe and hit almost every fairway. Lost only about 20 yards, but don't look for balls anymore so it is worth it. Handicap has gone down from 16 to 12 in one year. Straight is better than crooked!!!
I lost a lot of distance as well trying to copy Moe until I learned about the similar Setup for Impact golf swing. They let you stand closer to the ball and use your body more. More like Bryson Dechambeu who has won on tour four times. This is more how they teach you to swing. Now I hit it both farther and straighter than ever. Give it a try. th-cam.com/video/qern9uZyHhA/w-d-xo.html
Sheshh, after watching moe and tiger I went from 93 to 80 in one month
Why has this movie not been made
They are shooting in 2022
The world needs more Moe Normans!!
I've watched this 100 times.. and will watch it 100 more. WHAT A LEGEND.
just read 'Moe and Me' great read and insight into his life.
I wonder what we could have learned from this guy about the backswing if he was still around for the track man days
9 double eagles.....
Before his time & also, sadly before our time now. If he was around in his prime in the 2030's I hope humanity could accommodate such greatness then. Ultimately, we failed to acknowledge pure talent & that is OUR loss.
Kind of angers me the thought of somebody telling Moe to change! An absolute legend with a drum beat all his own!
Pga you robbed the world of the greatest golf mind to ever exist...the things we could have learned from him, he would have been beloved by fans around the world and you took that...shame
His “little robot” is his subconscious mind. Like Tiger said, he woke up every day knowing he was going to hit it well. And he did!
Any word when the movies going to be made?
They did not want him on the tour because he would win
He played quite a few tournaments. If he was that dominant, he would've won. What he ran into was a bunch of spoil sports who thought that everyone wanted to see decorum.
He probably would've won some tournaments, but if he was as head and shoulders above everyone like people seem to lionize him to be, he would've won one of the 15 or so PGA events that he played in.
@@daw162 the problem was also moe was hitting tee balls off of coke bottles to enterain and i think some glass was ending up in the crowds. i don't think it was just as simple as him being different.
@@joshgarbemusic It's an ESPN piece so the subject, who is good at a game, is never the bad guy, it's everyone else.
The PGA has never apologized or expressed regret for their treatment of Moe Norman or Bobby Locke.
Moe reminds me of Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys with the way he talks.
In the interview on Moe he talks a bout a robot that he tells what to he wants, and it reminds me of a conference man named "DANDAPANI" saying "repeat what you want a 100 a day until you believe in that asseveration and helps archive what the person needs.
he challenged the golfing gods and they didnt like it
I wouldnt call the usga golfing gods
For most people outside of Canada, not regular golf watchers, or golf fans from 1960-80's, Moe would not hit anyone's radar unless they stumble across the odd video on TH-cam. For those of us who grew up with Moe dominating the CPGA during the 70's we had the pleasure of watching a magician ball striker, as Tiger said, only two players owned their swing, Hogan and Norman.
To answer some of the questions from below, here it goes. Moe was a golf machine when hitting the golf ball, but like alot of old and current PGA players, he was not a great putter. On the PGA and later on the CPGA, he was a very fast player and hated slow play. Pretending to fall asleep on his bag in the middle of the fairway while his playing partners took to much time debating on the club was one of the issues the PGA got in his face about. Teeing up the ball on coke bottles also had the PGA getting upset. His clothing choices were also a bit off, preferring turtlenecks and long sleeve shirts instead of regular collared short sleeved shirts while playing in Florida drew alot of negative attention . The teeth issue , as he drank to many sweets and was afraid of dentists didn't help but as most people now look back with more knowledge with Autism and other mental issues, most believe Moe did have some sort of learning or mental handicap. He was hit in the head when a young child while tobagganing and was struck by a car.
For the few ignorant people below who left such witty comments as, how many teeth or Tiger won more majors then he has teeth, well, Moe could care less about your thoughts and the majority of humanity reading your quips will put them done to your just ignorant of other peoples feelings and we pity you for being a moron.
Once on the tour, playing with a few players again looking at yardage books etc and playing slow, he walked up to the ball without doing anything other then grabbing a club. One of the playing partners asked him why he was in such a hurry and not taking his time. His reply was "did they move the green from yesterday"
Enough said.
Did they move the green from yesterday? Wow! What a response.
I tried his swing 25 years ago. Don't know why I stopped.
Why didn't he have a caddie to tell him not to tee up on coke bottles and not pretend to sleep on his bag? Simple fix and if he didn't want to stop doing shenanigans like that then he shouldn't be out there. Don't think a spectator would appreciate getting glass in their eye from a coke bottle.
DanLewis funny enough, he used a coke bottle but rarely if ever broke it.
Amen. Very well said!
I used to see Moe in the early mornings in the coffee shop at Carlisle golf course north of Burlington, Ontario. Guy in the pro shop told me he didn't like to be approached by anyone he didn't know and it was probably just that social awkwardness. Also saw Moe in the parking lot open his trunk and there were what looked like dozens of loose clubs. I suspect he hit them all the same, dead straight. I don't think we appreciated him enough when he was alive.
Same here. I also saw Moe sit at a table with a couple of guys at Carlisle golf club in the early nineties.
It doesn’t surprise me one bit that members of the golf “profession” bullied Moe.
Some of the biggest ASSHOLES ever to walk the face of the earth are members of the “Gentlemen’s Game”.
Moe deserved, and deserves, better than that. They bullied Moe because they were intimidated by him. So, as with any other bully, they personally attack his looks, his speech, his teeth, his meager and humble lifestyle, his clothes, his breath. Like I said, some of the biggest ASSHOLES are representatives of the “Gentlemen’s Game.”
And still, even in this ESPN story, they protect the image of the game by not naming the members who shamed Moe into quitting the Tour.
They should be embarrassed.
Moe Norman is my golf hero, I would have given anything to watch him hit balls.
Met him and knew him(very little admittedly) in early 90s. Met him at Casselberry Golf Club. Hit balls next to him twice. Dude was a machine.
Sam Snead didn't give Moe good advice. He put him down. And Moe took it to heart and went to be range as he always did to take his mind off things. I really hope tiger beats sams record now.
U are so correct, sam was a dick.
Snead was hating on him
This makes sense
How many of you have met Sam Snead?
@@breakthrough8628 I did, he was a douche
famous moe story he was playing a tournament and was using the club champ as his caddy....they get to a hole and club champ tells him its a driver 9 iron for him....so moe hits the 9 iron off the tee then hits driver off the deck onto the green.......he often played 20 valley where i am a member......i saw his wedge up close there was a dot wear mark right in the middle small as a dime......because he hit the ball in same place on club every time
he practised like their is no tommorow
-"Golf is truly happiness." Amen Moe! It is.
he pretty clearly was on the spectrum
He highly likely was, but he was never diagnosed.
Golf Pro nope wasn’t a thing back then and that’s why he was ostracized
It was a different type of world back then as far as medical diagnosis and understanding in general of such conditions. He would have possibly been a happier person and certainly better received in todays world. Is simply say happier since living with anxiety and criticisms like he apparently did is certainly not comfortable for anyone regardless of how strong of a person you may be. We are all human, we all feel bad emotionally when people pick us apart.
They bullied Moe, he needed protecting.
Maybe they were afraid of him in that he might set golfing records that could be broken, so they bashed him
how do you know? you read it somewhere? and I doubt pro's were afraid of his golf
My golf instructor in Ponoka Alberta mentioned Moe to me. He had caddied for Moe once and later played with him. I am honoured to have that small linkage to a truly great golfer
Dear Todd,....keep this you Tube video forever. The history has spoken.. and written.Ben H K Australia
Aw, RIP Moe.
So much respect for this guy
You must be Todd Graves, owner of Raising Canes.
I often wonder - people are trying to dissect Moe's swing, if we look at Bryson, it looks quite similar and surely I see what Moe means by how he "simplifies" the swing. But ultimately, could his amazing ball striking also just come from the fact that he was "talent" to start with and then he proceeded to do almost nothing else than golf for the rest of his life. According to accounts he had no other interests than golf, he didn't have friends or even a romantic relationship ever in his life, just golf and not just golf but in particular ball striking (he wasn't really interested in putting either). So he just practiced ball striking more than anyone else probably ever has. Tour pros have families, sponsor duties, lot of putting practice etc. Moe probably hit the most balls of anyone ever and was gifted to start with. At that point it probably hardly matters what swing you pick, you will be god-tier. Maybe I am wrong though, just thinking out loud, please comment what you think!
I understand your point however, from my perspective, all talent is earned. Nobody is born with a golf swing. There are easy ways and hard ways. Moe earned his swing and in the process discovered the easiest way.
How you get the club head square at impact has several permutations ! Are you willing to give up a little distance for Knowing Where It’s Going To Land - EVERY TIME ? Idiot Savant ? RIP ! 🥲
The USGA has finally won! The courses are void of people!
BLOODY JOKERS THEY ARE
Well Said
Garth Downton not where I live.
How about now? What goes around... !
as someone myself with High Functioning Autism it's truly sad at just how people reacted to it due to the lack of understanding of it back then, whereas today it's more commonly accepted because there is more of an understanding of it, look at Billy Mayfair for example who has actually been diagnosed as being on the spectrum, and I have to agree that if he had someone in his corner to back him when he go shutdown for being different, some one to say "don't let them get to you! you are who you are, that makes you unique, you are your own trail blazer, and that is a beautiful thing, embrace it!" he probably would have had an army of fans like John Daly just because of his own uniqueness.
C'mon let's be real, Moe was on the spectrum, and that isn't any hit against Moe. My nephew is. Moe couldn't handle the extreme stimulus inflicted upon him by playing on tour. The flashes, the roars, no one on the spectrum can handle that kind of stimulus. If they'd played it on a silent golf course...if...if...if. He's still the best striker of a golf ball ever, that was his talent. God Bless you Moe.
100% yes, if you dont think he had autism you're crazy...with all we know now about autism things would have been different and he would be celebrated...he was quite literallf ahead of his time
I now play only Titleist......a good reason :-)
So who was the professional that scared away Moe?
The greatest ball striker of all time!
Damn Snead got in his head and beat him before he walked on the golf course
Michael Libert MIKE, he did that exact same thing to Ken Venturi in the 56 Masters, Snead May have a beauty swing, but he was a prick. So glad he never won a US Open.
@vachief well ya gotta respect the skill. I guess it's the intangibles that make a winner. I'm one of the dummys who though 2 weeks ago that when the other players saw Tiger walking down the back 9 on sunday with his red shirt that they would all crumble, but these guys are tough
Why would somebody be afraid in golf of the opponent? I don't get this intimidation idea people are talking about? What does he do, threaten people if they don't let him win?
Moe's lack of etiquette and odd behavior more than likely got on Snead's and everyone else's nerves. Not to condone the PGA how they treated him, but it shouldn't be much of a surprise either. Elitist organization yes, but it was what is was long before even any of those guys walked on a course.
And you?
I got a little teary eyed.
What a heartbreaking story, what should have been! People are so cruel sometimes! Some people are truly so much more special than others!
I love it, screwed the PGA tour, plenty of bigoted, Republican, hypocrites in that group, then went on to a great career in Canada, seems like a guy that loved life. Hat's off to Titelist for hooking him up with 5k a month, it was a smart business move, and it benefitted Moe, a win win. That's the reason I always buy Titelist balls, and play Titelist irons.
You really drank the koolaid huh ?
Democrats are the racist party.
What an amazing man.
A man who played for fun , you don't meet a lot of them in this world of cash and glory .
The man hit it like a bullet👍
Like Seve, Moe Norman would have been one of the first to join LIV.
I reckon todays golfing world would embrace Moe.
TIGER WOODS Said of Moe..Imagine waking up every day knowing you would hit the ball down the middle..
They had to show Woods who will never beat the Golden Bears records. This is about Moe Norman. Not fans kicking balls back in the fairway tiger woods.
Wow, what an amazing story.
I have and still do hang around some tour players. Seen Moe do a demo. 200 balls not 1 more than 10ft off line, whether it was a SW, driver or 6 iron from a divot. No tour player even close when it came to control
I had the opportunity to hold his sandwich could barely lift it felt like a wait at least 30 pounds he like to Tinker with his clubs and take the raw castings and finish them off to his specs which seems like just the Polish
Sorry make that sand wedge.
@@johnpearlstein457 💩 he looked like he could eat a 30 lbs sandwich 😂👍 I'm just teasing, I believe his methods made more sense than any other swing in history and the results spoke for themselves. Bryson DeChambeu discovered the same thing without Moe's influence. The future of golf I believe is the inline address.
Amazing story that made me cry
Moe is a great Story.
HAHA, I was over here at my desk tears rolling down my face. Girlfriend was like "what are you crying for" ... then she watched it and started balling. It's so frustrating seeing people be themselves...and getting trashed on for it. Greed all over in the U.S. ... extremely pathetic and cowardly. There is no honesty. That is why it means so much to even find out about Moe. Few people in the world that can golf great, even less that are genuine.
Golf doesn’t like characters. So true. They want robotic corporate money makers.
kinda wanted to see Tiger's sunday conversation..
Think about what we could have learned from this man...he understood things we still don't even with all the technology and launch monitors....but no. Typical golf culture
Look up Todd Graves on youtube...
Go Moe.
Loved this man I heard he had a little trouble with the putter did he have a specific system for putting as well
Anyone know who the bullies were?
They'd be long gone now and were probably gone once Moe received acclaim, I'm betting it was someone high profile.
What happened to Moe in New Orleans was absolutely criminal
Maybe shown on ESPN but a Sports Channel Canada piece. Bryson De C is using his swing now
Moe would be a publicist's wet dream in today's golf world! We love characters! 😂
Most of us grew up watching John Daly, Tiger, Sergio, etc. They were a product of watching guys like Trevino.
His brain was damaged as a kid. That's what gave him the mighty focus. But... A strange personality. Back then, people didn't like strange. Wait... we still don't. Oh well. That's life.
PGA still hasn’t changed. Rory would have been that player that cornered him and bullied him for being different.
« bogeys ?what’s that ? Ahaha !
One thing I hate about golf is the stigma of having to look a certain way. Act a certain way. If you want to play, play. If you want to be a pro and you have the skill no matter what you look like if you have the skill you should be accepted. Golf is a sport for anyone and everyone. Not for certain people who look a certain way or act a certain way
Hia Todd, I watched this again, started to cry a bit. Golf Is Happiness❤when you love it enough to get really good, like Moe and Me and Bobby and other guys who knew and know and have the little robot.
I’m a bit of an odd ball too. I am a world class player. But, I don’t like people or Pros. So I try to mind my own. Love you thanks for keeping my pal alive! Moe was the greatest like me and Bobby, cause of pure ball striking. Skills born of practice to the point of obsession. Then reap what ya sow, boys!
If you love Golf, you will practice to match up against old man par, and occasionally kick his ass. But, don’t get haughty. 😅
17 holes in 1! Almost as many as tiger, 20. I got a few to catch up, 3. Unless you count par 3 courses then it’s closer to 10 😂
People in golf don't love Characters? Are you kidding. It's full of characters.
In Norman’s heyday they didnt