The dude is definitely a kill joy but the real d bag is the Ridley guy cause he knew about the rule infraction and still let Tiger sign his card. And only after it became public did he decide to act. Dude was a coward
Same kind of thing happened in Disc Golf last year. Elaine King, while doing live commentary, texted people on the ground about a caddy violation by Kristin Tattar, the best player in the world, and likely cost her the tournament.
This type of chicken manure is why it’s tough to grow the game. If it’s a penalty it should be one shot at most. 2 yards is not a material advantage. The idea he should be DQ or withdraw is absurd. It’s like ejecting a football player for jumping offsides. Some golf people need to come down off their phony high horse.
If it was not a material advantage, why did he go back 2 yards? Perhaps the grass was slightly better... perhaps he wanted to minimize the probability that his ball would roll into his divot. Who knows? But for whatever reason, Tiger judged going back farther to be to his advantage. Where is the line? Is 1 foot acceptable? 1 yard? 2 yards? 10 yards? Opinions may differ on what is acceptable. What is clear though is that the officials thought it was enough to issue a 2 stroke penalty. Right or wrong, THEY thought it was too much. So they assessed a penalty... the WRONG penalty. Ask Roberto De Vicenzo what the penalty is for signing the incorrect scorecard. If you dont know who he is... google it.
If the rules say that a player is DQ'd for signing off on a wrong scorecard than there better be an official on every single hole to monitor every single drop. I love golf, but the sheer number of rules and the detail involved is beyond ridiculous for an individual golfer to know and understand completely, especially in the moment.
That's why it's a gentleman's sport and the player is responsible for knowing the rules. They do earn a heap of money so perhaps it's not too onerous to expect them to read the rule book for their profession?
@@AndrewJens Golfers who tie for 50th or miss the cut on any given weekend do not earn a heap of money. Probably just enough to cover their expenses and pay the caddy. Next time you get stopped for some arbitrary moving violation, get back to us when the cop tells you "ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break it." I bet your reaction won't be quite so critical.
@@chipwebsterplaysdrums9850 Re. _"Golfers who tie for 50th or miss the cut on any given weekend do not earn a heap of money,"_ to take one example, Aron Rei finished 52nd in this year's Farmers Insurance Open (an average event). For that finish he earned $21,315. Therefore, if you were to finish about 50th in 20 events each year you would earn about $400,000. Caddies on the PGA Tour get paid between $1,500 to $3,000 per event plus about 10%. Our 50th-placed player's caddy would therefore get paid about $85,000 for the year. That leaves about $315,000 for the player. Should be enough to give the player enough motivation to get really familiar with the rule book.
@@AndrewJens An argument can be logically sound without being truthful. That kind of argument is what you have presented here. Based on your supposed anecdotal evidence, Aron Rei would have to have finished at or around the same spot in 20 tournaments. If that caddy stuck with a low money winner and is working for percentage points, that is stupidity he owns. Furthermore, you assume he is his caddy for the 20 events you put on the table for discussion. Which 20 events? There was a $20 million purse at the last U.S. Open. That's an OBSCENE amount of money. Any rational man would agree.
I think it should be illegal to use video footage or after round interviews to determine a ruling after a player has signed their scorecard. Basically if it's not caught during the shot by the players in your group or a ruling official...then you can't double back and penalize someone for it the next day. Thats kind of crazy
Golf is a sport where it is really up to the individual to follow all the rules. The other players are t focused on everything you do. So it would be easy to cheat. I don’t think Woods intended to cheat, but rules are rules. They allow people to check the players to keep the game as fair as possible. It is weird but pretty fair.
I'm pretty sure they changed the rule so that random people like Eger who aren't working the tournament can no longer phone or text in over rules violations they see on broadcasts. Officials at the tournament and PGA Tour officials can of course review video but there's also been a change there. Several years ago a player got a video reviewed penalty when a super slo-mo HD replay showed he had brushed vegetation in a hazard but at normal speed it was impossible to determine and that's now the standard; if it's something so small that it requires HD slo-mo to spot then it's no longer a violation.
@@kpeezy776oh right that's why they have rules officials at every single hole at these major tournaments. Do you have any idea how many rules there in golf? Pretty much impossible to remember them all (ex: 3 options for this one shot) unless you are a RULES OFFICIAL.
@@kdilli6426 I do because I played tournament golf. Their aren’t many rules that aren’t common sense. The rules officials are there so that when you do have a question about the rules you can ask them. It’s not that hard
In profesional and competition amateur golf you and your caddie are responsible for the rules imposed in yhat tournament which usually follows the usga/r&a rules Any rules broken by the golfer or caddie will see a penalty/DQ . They have the option to call in a rules official in any situation they need clarification. tiger did not and ended up with a penalty that could have and should have been a dq for incorrect scorecard signing. A golfer actually lost the masters because of incorrect signing of a scorecard;even tho he technically won.
He is supposed to know the rules. If he had called in an official and the official said it was ok to drop two yards back, then it’s not on him but the official. So they could have just added the two strokes after he signed the card. He didn’t because he thought he knew the rule. He was wrong. Should have been DQed
@@kr-lp2nj Roberto De Vicenzo is the guy you're talking about technically he didn't win the masters he just got denied a playoff for an incorrect scorecard
I typically do not post comments on TH-cam, but I feel I should on this video. The Masters is contested under USGA rules. Rule 3.3 governs stroke play. Under 3.3b(3), the rule states that if a player returns a score lower than the actual score recorded, that player is disqualified. HOWEVER, there is an exception to 3.3b(3) for “Failure to Include Unknown Penalty.” Under the exception, the player is not disqualified if the mistake is found before the close of competition and the committee will revise the player’s score for that hole by adding the correct penalty strokes. In Tiger’s case, a two stroke penalty. Mr. Ridley and the competition committee broadly interpreted the word “competition” for purposes of their finding. If the exception specified by the close of a “round,” then this would be a different situation. Under the circumstances - namely that the competition committee and its chair Mr. Ridley were aware of a potential rules breach - the punishment Tiger received was fair. The penalty strokes were correctly added to his score before the close of competition as Tiger unknowingly failed to include the penalty. A side note is that Tiger’s playing partner also missed the penalty, and when both Tiger and his partner certified the score they had not been made aware of any potential rules breach. Accordingly, the exception applies.
Great comment with knowledge. This is the first time I have ever heard about 3.3b(3). While I was watching the video, I thought if Tiger DQed himself, he would have been a true legend, looked really cool and becoming a great idol who took integrity over his fame advantage. Then I read your comment and found that I am wrong. I think Augusta PR team should be the one to blame by not explaining the whole idea of how they made their decision to public and left Tiger alone for the heat.
I don't see how they "broadly interpreted" the word "competition"...if it was before the round ended and they signed anyway they would obviously be DQd, so the only possible meaning is the end of the tournament. The real question is what the word "known" means, when it's in the rule book its known.
@@brucesmith1544 Good point. Also if the rules makers intended round they would have said round (even though round makes no sense as you say). The mistake was found before the end of the round anyway, but the player was unaware of that when he signed.
If he wasn't Tiger Woods and was just a "regular" golfer in that position, I doubt Egan would be so interested in his score that he would have replayed the incident and texted the official. Also, a "regular" golfer in that position probably wouldn't have been interviewed at all. I'm not saying anything or anyone was right or wrong; it's just something to think about.
Enjoyed this very much. A good reminder that golf rules are absurd sometimes and not helping the game. There are rules officials everywhere and also opponents..stuff like this should be discussed/disputed during or right after the round. No video footage or interview should change things. Clearly, Tiger did not gain advantage or did anything to intentionally gain an advantage. People who believed Tiger should have withdrawn because of this are clowns.
It was a dropped shot, wouldn’t there have been a rules official there at the time? Shouldn’t the rules official have told him that he’s not allowed to drop there? If a rules official was present and allowed it to happen then it should not have been a penalty. This is a mistake on the rules officials, not the player.
Enjoyed watching this video. Would love to see more videos like this where Golf Digest look at other major moments in golf history during other Major tournaments.
Check how Dustin Johnson moved his ball forward with his finger when marking his ball at the 12.... its only slight but he must know he moved ball touching his finger.
Tiger took his penalty after a drop. How a player is meant to know every subtlety to every single rule without an official being there at every shot to assess it, is absolutely ridiculous, and those calling for a disqualification after this should give their heads a wobble. Tiger gained no advantage. Let's stop this absolute idiocy, for him and for every other golfer out there. It's pedantic BS that is ruining the pleasure of the game for everyone.
Brandel Chamblee calling for Tiger to withdraw on his own accord since they didn’t DQ him is even more ridiculous. What kind of competitor would do that? That’s like getting pulled over for speeding and refusing to be let off with a warning and demanding the officer give you a ticket. Chamblee was also calling all the LIV Golf players “depreciating assets”. I can’t stand the guy.
This is a dumb comment, this exact same thing happens every year somewhere on either the pga LPGA or another tour and every time the player is DQed end of story! Far as "gained no advantage" well that the most ignorant of knowledge ever posted...
Since this video is on the theme of accuracy and the correction of error, they shouldn’t say “Fred Ridley, chairman of Augusta National,” as he was not such at the time. He was in fact, chairman of the competition committee, which is what made him the relevant official in this rules case. 2 shot penalty for GD. ;)
On further review, they are disqualified for publishing a video with an incorrect information. Had they corrected the error before publication it would have been only a 2 stroke penalty.
I've played golf for years including highschool and college and still don't know all the rules. In this case, I would've done a club length drop no closer to the pin. Boom done.
You weren’t listening. Tiger said he dropped two clubs BEHIND the spot so he had a better angle. The rule said nearest available spot. It gave him an advantage.period
The best rule change the PGA has made was to stop 🛑 call in rule infractions. I’ve nevered liked the fact that someone sitting on a sofa only watching 0.005 % of all the golf shots in a tournament can get a player penalised
On day one of masters at the 12. Dustin Johnson played ball back onto green, when he marked his ball he can be seen pushing ball forward with his finger a small amount before placing coin down...
@@TheMastersAugusta, I'm not sure I can understand how that incident during the 2nd round of the 2013 Masters really altered the trajectory of Tiger's career any more than his marital infidelities or the numerous injuries he's suffered both before and since that 2013 tournament.
@@matthewcohen7067 Because Golf Digest has a partnership with Woods, & they want to implant in peoples heads, the idea that he is the GOAT despite he does not have the majors records, not just wins, but Nicklaus buries him in top 10's, top 5's top 3's and top 2 in the majors. Once people believe he got shafted, they have just cause to call him GOAT, this what Golf Digest wants. So to answer your question, though they don't say what caused it, ... it appears that are blaming everyone for ganging up on Tiger, Brandel Chamble, the flag sticks were to thick, the guy who called it in who seen it on TV, those in charge at Augusta...everyone ganged up on him, and although they did not say this, it seems to imply possible.. POSSIBLE.. long term psychological damage. If this did not happen how many would he have won if this ganging up him really did take a toll on him psychologically. That is what I got out of it.
About 3 Masters backs not the sticks but they screwed with greens making approaches were often undoable and make the 1st round gimmicky and done in purpose and I think millions in bets caused it ! It just wasn't playing like Augusta!!
How do you sign for an incorrect scorecard if no one said anything about the violation until after the round? Put officials on every hole and make the call on the spot if you are going to enforce that.
Yet there is a lot of precedence for being DQed for signing an incorrect score card. Had it been anyone else, except maybe Phil, they would have been disqualified for signing the wrong score card. Obviously the PGA and the Masters officials knew that viewership would plummet if Tiger was not playing through the weekend. Basically their sponsors would have freaked out if they DQed Tiger.
If I’m not mistaken vicenzo signed for a par when he made a birdie so he acc signed for a higher score than he had giving the win away (Correct me if I’m wrong)
@@oliverloughridge4848 That's right, he had birdied 17 and Tommy Aaron wrote down a par and he missed it. Regardless of the error he was 12 under and tied with Bob Goalby headed to a playoff when the infraction was noticed.
@@oliverloughridge4848 No matter what was on vicenzo's score card, the score board was the correct score with vicenzo and goalby tied at -12. The signing an incorrect card cost him 2 stroke penalty.
@@MrIslandman59 That's incorrect, there's no 2-stroke penalty for signing an incorrect scorecard. He signed for a higher score and that's the score he got. If he had signed for a lower score he would have been DQ'd.
14:45 Funny how I'm just now learning about this 11 years later. And I'm old enough to remember watching Tiger start his professional career. Seems like a crazy rule.
The real story is what an absurdly bad break that was. We will never know for sure but it’s pretty obvious he was going to win that year. He was completely locked in. Love him or hate him Tiger is the GOAT.
Yea, that why he, Tiger stated he is 2nd on the all time list. If a future golfer wins 14 majors, do you know what the golf world shall ask? WILL HE CATCH JACK'S 18 or stay stuck at 14 for 10 years like that Tiger guy did? See what record lights up and who he will be chasing. Nicklaus is the greatest of all time, no event ever happened where the headlines read one morning, Tiger is now the greatest! Look at al of the pre car crash articles, they all label Nicklaus as the greatest of all time. This Tiger GOAT thing started with them, Golf Digest after the car crash extinguished all practical hope of catching Jack, so they started the GOAT slogan and are now blaming this event for screwing up his life as to why he did win more majors.
But the onus of the infraction shifted to Augusta National after they failed to assess a penalty in their first review. The fact that he signed a wrong scorecard was their fault.
I disagree, the crucial thing is if before he signed his card, they told tiger that they reviewed the incident and no infraction was found then they would have responsibility as he would have gotten an “official ruling” before signing. However if they didn’t say anything to him and he didn’t get a ruling then he is responsible for signing an incorrect score and should have been dq’d.
@@boudalff they did review the incident when a viewer called in. They looked at it and found no penalty should be incurred. Then Augusta heard Tiger's interview afterwards where he said he dropped 2 yds back, and _then_ they issued the 2 stroke penalty, and decided not to DQ him because it was reviewed first without penalty.
Had Tiger only gone 1 yard back for the drop he would have holed out for 5. He hit the next shot to like a foot straight at the pin again. (A fact which this video brushes over by saying "he got up and down") Had Tiger made the correct drop he may have run away with the tournament after the moment that would have been.
The whole signing an incorrect score card is a penalty is stupid unless you do so purposefully. He thought the card was correct when he signed it so him signing it while it technically being incorrect shouldn't matter. The two stroke penalty was more than fair for the infraction.
The officials could have handled this in a much better way. Yes, it sounds like Tiger committed the infraction, but the officials had a chance to talk with him before he signed his card. So I am thinking that behind closed doors the next morning, Tiger called them out for it and that is why disqualification was taken off the table.
TIger did not sign an incorrect scorecard. It was correct at the time he signed it. That's like saying you signed a contract, then someone makes a change to the contract afterwards, and then you get punished for not following the contract.
Golf is a great game..and it needs to be held to a higher standard because of all the variables involved.. and it's a game that needs to be self governing because it's a one of honor and honesty. But sometimes it just goes too far. It's obvious that Tiger himself didn't know what he'd done. I always thought the rule was you can drop NO CLOSER to the hole but as far back as you wanted. As long as it's on the same line as the previous shot. I too learned something that day. Now, I'm not a big fan of Tiger, especially back then, I always found him to be a bit cold and self egrandizing...but I've warmed up to him as he's gotten older, as it tends to mellow us all. It should have cost him a single penalty shot and that's it.. and the 3 shot penalty was more than enough. But he took it and moved on. Much respect for that btw. But DQd for signing an incorrect scorecard? Absolutely stupid. Roberto DiVincenzo would definitely agree. It's not like either man intended to do wrong. It was an honest mistake because, after all, we are all human. And Roberto got the waaaay worse end of that deal for the record. I mean, that's a life changer! And he woulda finished one higher than he did! Golf has made great strides in becoming more of a people's game, especially in recent times. The rule changes in the last few years alone are testament to that..(I can't think of any off the top of my head except for leaving the flag in being okay on putts..which drives me crazy btw..but hey, if it speeds things up, what's the harm?) But we need to get a grip on some of these extremities..now the line is blurry, I'll admit. But is it necessary to have a rules official come in to tell you (after a 15 minute delay) to play your ball as it lies because you thought you saw it move? And does everyone that has access to a 4k replayable telly have the power to call in these infractions? Btw, what's that phone number? Lol. I mean, come on..the game is slow enough, isn't it?
"As close as possible." That is a very nebulous rule and definition. Comparing it to a "ball moving" when you address it is ridiculous. Tiger had no intent to cheat or gain advantage. This is actually an unfair ruling. How much of this ruling is simply jealousy about one of the most talented golfers of all time.
"Changed the course of his career" is a tad hyperbolic. By April 2013, he had won 77 titles, 14 of them majors. He's either 1 or 2 on everybody's ranking of the top golfers of all time. One additional major wouldn't influence anyone who has him at #2 to move him to #1.
Not really counting Bobby Jones who some thought his average drive would be 400 with modern equipment ! I say Jones beats Woods half of time or more !!
@@davidmahady8241 There is no reasonable way of comparing golfers 100 years ago and golfers today. The equipment is different, the courses are different and the players are different. Modern players lift weights and are generally fit, even 50 years ago players were not fit.
It was a 2 shot penalty and he finished 4 back. You think Tiger is fragile enough that this broke his confidence or concentration? You can't say anything with 100% certainty, much less this.
He more than likely would have birdied it for a 4 had it not hit the flagstick. He ended up with a bogey. That’s 2 shots different, plus the 2 shot penalty for 4 shots. I agree.
@@H20skier56 It was a 2 shot penalty on top of the 1 shot penalty for the original drop after ball bounced into the water compared to a pretty much guaranteed birdie my man, that's literally a 4 shot swing.
I think it was the right decision to not DQ him because Ridley messed up by choosing to ignore it in the first place. They should have pulled Tiger in immediately after his round and asked him about it. He would have mentioned the 2 yards and they would have known immediately it was a penalty and it would have been corrected before he signed his card.
I think you are pointing out a key note that some have decided to ignore. A quick 12 seconds(8:13) of this vid tells that there was a chance to talk to Tiger before he signed his card.
The 2 stroke penalty was more than enough. I think however its Tigers personal life that changed his career not this one incident. Tiger is up there probably the 2nd best golfer of all time, sadly we will never know if he would have made it to no 1.
There are some rules that definitely need to be changed. Even Nicklaus said that no player should ever incur a two shot penalty for hitting one bad shot. Signing an incorrect card shouldn't be a disqualification unless the player knowingly and blatantly cheated. Obviously this wasn't the case here. Otherwise, Tiger wouldn't have openly admitted to dropping 2 yds back. The fact that they reviewed it before he finished his round shows its their fault he signed the wrong score. Another crazy fact about rules: the player is only responsible for their score on each hole, not the total score. In other words, a player can write down and sign a total score different than what their 18 hole score is and not be penalized because they're not responsible for the math, only their score on each individual hole.
Very nice video. He was very unfortunate hitting the pin mainly. I still think THE turning point of his career is his m losing his lead for the first time ever at the 2009 PGA.
Tiger didn't win a Single Major in 2009, and shot 75 on Sunday at the 2009 PGA Championship. Y. Yang only needed to shoot 70 to beat him. Solid score, but not sparkling. I think all those affairs he was juggling finally caught up with him in 09 and he couldn't come through in the clutch like we were used to.
@@radar0412 I think this is a backward-looking reconstruction of history, and Woods shot 75 because eventually he was going to shoot 75 in the final round of a major in which he held the lead. The 75 wasn't what shocked me; that it took 17 majors before someone finally overtook him did. We'll never know, though. Obviously a few months after that PGA, Woods' entire life was turned upside-down, so it's possible that his lifestyle was beginning to affect his on-course play. Shame, really. Loses a big chunk of his prime to personal issues, and the back end of it to a car accident. I remember him putting out at Torrey in 2008 to win number 14, and figured he'd break Jack's record by 7-8 majors. If you'd told me that Monday he was to win but one more, I'd never have believed it.
@@spencerjsteel I just think it's kinda funny that the same year Tiger blows a lead in a Major for the first time ever, is the same exact year the Media and his wife uncover a multitude of scandalous affairs. You can think it's just coincidental. That's fine.
The rule was changed before he even entered the tournament. It applied to everyone playing. The rule was enforced exactly as it should have been. Tiger did not lie about what he did. Anyone that thinks Tiger should have withdrew or be dq'ed are ignorant of the rule, can't read so they can read the rule or were just tired of Tiger kicking their rears day after day. I think it's mostly the last one.
I remember when Craig Stadler's ball ended up under a bush. He placed a towel on the ground so he could kneel on the towel and not stain his pants as he hit the shot. He was assessed a 2 stroke penalty for improving his stance. The rules are the rules, he was told. The rule was realized to be stupid and later was changed to allow placement of a towel. Well as much as I love Tiger, he should have been DQ'd for signing a lower score. The rules are the rules. That said, Augusta officials were made aware that a violation might have occurred , well before Tiger signed the card. They could have notified him of that so he could of held off signing the card until a ruling was made. Finally, what is "as close as possible"? Yes 2 yards is not "as close as possible, but then 2 inches isn't as close as possible either. Neither is 1/2 an inch etc. Rule needs to be clarified. I still can't believe that Tiger and Williams made the mistake of not finding the divot hole he made on the previous shot before dropping a ball or they could have called for a ruling.
Paul Azinger was DQed at Doral for inadvertently "kicking a rock" in a hazard while he was hitting his ball that was literally under water. A viewer saw this, called the PGA and the following day after he finished the next round they told him hecwas disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard the previous day. Hecwas one shot off the lead. Absurd rule and absurd they enforced such an inconsequential rule that some loser watching TV saw and reported.
How can you sign for the wrong score when it's only determined by spectator and officials after the round has concluded and cards signed, that it was 'wrong'?
What I'd like to know more about is the original intent of the rule and other rules. My impression of most if not all of them is to not give yourself an unfair advantage after a poor shot and to take your penalty for such a shot. If that's the "spirit" of why the rules are there in the first place, it seems to me taking a lie within the general area and taking his stroke are well within the intent of play. You could also argue I suppose that he chose 2 yards back for some perceived advantage, but then you'd be arguing about the state of mind of the player (Tiger in this case), and 2 yards back could be interpreted as a better lie or just a safety margin so you don't get accused of putting the ball closer to the hole. Point is, it gets muddy, so go back to the spirit of play where it doesn't appear at all like he was giving himself an advantage after an unlucky shot.
Even down to how the rule is written, I still don't understand how he broke any rules here. He was no closer to the hole and he was close to the original spot. How close is close enough? 1 foot? 3 inches? inside the divot? This is beyond the pale.
@@leroyrodgers6089 Maybe see how far 2 yards is on the floor and then try to convince yourself that is "as close as possible" to the spot of the previous shot. He then admitted that he thought being 2 yards further back put him in a better position for his next attempt..
@@leroyrodgers6089Staying within a yard not too much to ask because downhill lie can greatly effect shot I had 25 yard pitch that seemed so easy but because it's downhill I hit into sand at least 15 times ! So with that obvious tricky pitch Tiger had totally reasonable to make him be real real close to original lie!
If you are going to play the game for a living, the least you can do is KNOW THE RULES. The IRS has MORE rules and my CPA seems to be able to remember them. Why can't a golfer remember the rules? NO EXCUSES!
Reading the comments here I'm reminded of the youngsters who defended the juicers in MLB back in the 90's and beyond. Apparently when something like this involves their favorite player they feel compelled to rationalize and defend Woods' decision. While the chairman deserves some blame for his initial decision, it's up to the golfer to know the rules. This would never have happened with Nicklaus imho.
It just amazes me how someone not even involved in the tournament, or even at the tournament, can change the tournament. No other sports would even consider this.
It says why the the disqualification wasn't;t applied in the text that you blurred out. It says was waived by the committee as they had previously reviewed the information and ruled it ok, prior to the end of Tiger's round. You should have mentioned that, IMO.
For the option he chose the rules say " as close as possible " to the previous spot. 2 yards is not as close as possible . It doesn't matter that he was no nearer to the hole. The video explained the 3 options he had and why he chose the one he did, which was to go back and drop a ball as close as possible to the previous spot. He chose THAT option but then did not follow the rule for it. Then did not penalize himself and signed a lower score card. The rules say that is an automatic DQ. Augusta ignored that rule because of the ratings Tiger brings in when he is in contention on the weekend. Btw. I'M A HUGE Tiger fan but no one should be above the rules.
Seems a lot of people here love Tiger more than they do golf. An imperfect golfer was held accountable for an improper drop. I'm sure Tiger appreciates the enablers and has had them most of his life.
Now discuss John Rahm's Provisional ball on 18 yesterday at Augusta. Oh, imagine the controversy! Lots of rules geniuses in the GD camp; probably not many good players.
Tiger made the PGA SOOOOO much money...i think a 2 stroke penalty is fine..and HE DIDN'T sign for the wrong score...they added the 2 strokes AFTER he signed his card...NOBODY called it before that.
Billy Payne was the Chairman of the Club back then. I think Ridley was the chairman of the competition committee. And, Tiger was in the wrong. He admitted it in the interview, even if there was no malicious intent. Augusta should have disqualified him, as they would have anyone else. Roberto DeVicenzo was denied a shot at a playoff in 1968 because his playing partner wrote the wrong score down on one hole. DeVicenzo signed the card because the total score was correct, but, when you sign a card, it’s not the total, but the scores for each hole that matters. Tiger claimed a lower score than he rightfully earned. That should be a dq.
Comments make no sense. The rules are super clear. It didn't take a rules expert to not commit this violation. It took simply knowing the rule. If your job is to play golf, there is no reason to ever make a procedural error.
People only cared because Tiger was still dominating at that point and just wanted to drag him down. David Eager really thought a whole 2 yards was a big deal ‼️
I disagree. They did what was best for ratings. I saw it live and knew he had not dropped in as close as possible spot. He signed an incorrect score card because he didn’t call in a rules official to verify before he dropped
@Zug 209 yea im confused ive seen people nowadays go way further back in line with where their golf ball went into a hazard or water, but idk the exact rules of golf that well
1. Golf is a sport of insane accuracy. Knowingly dropping your ball 2 yards back because you know that'll make your shot more likely to fall is cheating. Period. 2. Tiger attempting to crush LIV Golf because it affects the value of his own personal records and jeopardizes the PGA because it may become as irrelevant as the ABA is equally disturbing. You have to be a diehard Tiger fan to completely ignore #1. My second point is far more controversial, but him and Rory were wrong to stand in the way of LIV. Sucks for them but great for the game and for those who haven't made millions in their tour quests.
I have a memory of John Houston hitting several shots into water on a par 5 at Agusta and after each going many yards back after each to play the next. He took a one stroke penalty after each. In Tiger's case, was this a local rule just for this particular hole?
so heres the thing, he truly believed he was signing the correct score, so there he has no grounds for DQ, its DQ if you knowingly sign the wrong one also i personally believe you should be allowed a retake drop up to a clublength backwards because if your first shot chewed the ground up, plus where you were standing etc, you kinda deserve a non-influenced surface
Congrats David Eger. People like you are why pro golf will never be more popular.
Total D bag
Very lame Eger. Very.
The dude is definitely a kill joy but the real d bag is the Ridley guy cause he knew about the rule infraction and still let Tiger sign his card. And only after it became public did he decide to act. Dude was a coward
Yes it’s all his fault Tiger cheated.
Same kind of thing happened in Disc Golf last year. Elaine King, while doing live commentary, texted people on the ground about a caddy violation by Kristin Tattar, the best player in the world, and likely cost her the tournament.
This type of chicken manure is why it’s tough to grow the game. If it’s a penalty it should be one shot at most. 2 yards is not a material advantage. The idea he should be DQ or withdraw is absurd. It’s like ejecting a football player for jumping offsides. Some golf people need to come down off their phony high horse.
they used his interview for the ruling and he said he moved 2 yards BACKWARDS..rewrite bad rules!!
Agree
If it was not a material advantage, why did he go back 2 yards? Perhaps the grass was slightly better... perhaps he wanted to minimize the probability that his ball would roll into his divot. Who knows?
But for whatever reason, Tiger judged going back farther to be to his advantage.
Where is the line? Is 1 foot acceptable? 1 yard? 2 yards? 10 yards?
Opinions may differ on what is acceptable. What is clear though is that the officials thought it was enough to issue a 2 stroke penalty. Right or wrong, THEY thought it was too much. So they assessed a penalty... the WRONG penalty.
Ask Roberto De Vicenzo what the penalty is for signing the incorrect scorecard. If you dont know who he is... google it.
Amen
@@paulgilbert2506 usually it's 1 or 2 club lengths when they allow it. 2yds would be closer to 2 driver lengths.
If the rules say that a player is DQ'd for signing off on a wrong scorecard than there better be an official on every single hole to monitor every single drop. I love golf, but the sheer number of rules and the detail involved is beyond ridiculous for an individual golfer to know and understand completely, especially in the moment.
That's why it's a gentleman's sport and the player is responsible for knowing the rules. They do earn a heap of money so perhaps it's not too onerous to expect them to read the rule book for their profession?
@@AndrewJens Golfers who tie for 50th or miss the cut on any given weekend do not earn a heap of money. Probably just enough to cover their expenses and pay the caddy. Next time you get stopped for some arbitrary moving violation, get back to us when the cop tells you "ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break it." I bet your reaction won't be quite so critical.
@@chipwebsterplaysdrums9850 Re. _"Golfers who tie for 50th or miss the cut on any given weekend do not earn a heap of money,"_ to take one example, Aron Rei finished 52nd in this year's Farmers Insurance Open (an average event). For that finish he earned $21,315. Therefore, if you were to finish about 50th in 20 events each year you would earn about $400,000. Caddies on the PGA Tour get paid between $1,500 to $3,000 per event plus about 10%. Our 50th-placed player's caddy would therefore get paid about $85,000 for the year. That leaves about $315,000 for the player. Should be enough to give the player enough motivation to get really familiar with the rule book.
@@AndrewJens An argument can be logically sound without being truthful. That kind of argument is what you have presented here. Based on your supposed anecdotal evidence, Aron Rei would have to have finished at or around the same spot in 20 tournaments. If that caddy stuck with a low money winner and is working for percentage points, that is stupidity he owns. Furthermore, you assume he is his caddy for the 20 events you put on the table for discussion. Which 20 events? There was a $20 million purse at the last U.S. Open. That's an OBSCENE amount of money. Any rational man would agree.
all pro golfers know, unsure call rules official to be sure….DQ was the play but masters caved
I think it should be illegal to use video footage or after round interviews to determine a ruling after a player has signed their scorecard. Basically if it's not caught during the shot by the players in your group or a ruling official...then you can't double back and penalize someone for it the next day. Thats kind of crazy
Golf is a sport where it is really up to the individual to follow all the rules.
The other players are t focused on everything you do. So it would be easy to cheat.
I don’t think Woods intended to cheat, but rules are rules.
They allow people to check the players to keep the game as fair as possible.
It is weird but pretty fair.
I'm pretty sure they changed the rule so that random people like Eger who aren't working the tournament can no longer phone or text in over rules violations they see on broadcasts. Officials at the tournament and PGA Tour officials can of course review video but there's also been a change there. Several years ago a player got a video reviewed penalty when a super slo-mo HD replay showed he had brushed vegetation in a hazard but at normal speed it was impossible to determine and that's now the standard; if it's something so small that it requires HD slo-mo to spot then it's no longer a violation.
@@palolv2220 that's definitely a step in the right direction. Now see that I am ok with.
@@kpeezy776oh right that's why they have rules officials at every single hole at these major tournaments. Do you have any idea how many rules there in golf? Pretty much impossible to remember them all (ex: 3 options for this one shot) unless you are a RULES OFFICIAL.
@@kdilli6426 I do because I played tournament golf. Their aren’t many rules that aren’t common sense. The rules officials are there so that when you do have a question about the rules you can ask them. It’s not that hard
This did not change Tiger’s career in any way whatsoever.
His private life changed his career.
If no one came up to him before he signed the scorecard then how would he know he’s at fault?
In profesional and competition amateur golf you and your caddie are responsible for the rules imposed in yhat tournament which usually follows the usga/r&a rules
Any rules broken by the golfer or caddie will see a penalty/DQ .
They have the option to call in a rules official in any situation they need clarification. tiger did not and ended up with a penalty that could have and should have been a dq for incorrect scorecard signing. A golfer actually lost the masters because of incorrect signing of a scorecard;even tho he technically won.
He is supposed to know the rules. If he had called in an official and the official said it was ok to drop two yards back, then it’s not on him but the official. So they could have just added the two strokes after he signed the card. He didn’t because he thought he knew the rule. He was wrong. Should have been DQed
@@kr-lp2nj Roberto De Vicenzo is the guy you're talking about technically he didn't win the masters he just got denied a playoff for an incorrect scorecard
Negligence does not make it ok.
Moral of the story is “Dave is a dickhead “
I typically do not post comments on TH-cam, but I feel I should on this video.
The Masters is contested under USGA rules. Rule 3.3 governs stroke play.
Under 3.3b(3), the rule states that if a player returns a score lower than the actual score recorded, that player is disqualified.
HOWEVER, there is an exception to 3.3b(3) for “Failure to Include Unknown Penalty.” Under the exception, the player is not disqualified if the mistake is found before the close of competition and the committee will revise the player’s score for that hole by adding the correct penalty strokes. In Tiger’s case, a two stroke penalty.
Mr. Ridley and the competition committee broadly interpreted the word “competition” for purposes of their finding. If the exception specified by the close of a “round,” then this would be a different situation. Under the circumstances - namely that the competition committee and its chair Mr. Ridley were aware of a potential rules breach - the punishment Tiger received was fair. The penalty strokes were correctly added to his score before the close of competition as Tiger unknowingly failed to include the penalty.
A side note is that Tiger’s playing partner also missed the penalty, and when both Tiger and his partner certified the score they had not been made aware of any potential rules breach. Accordingly, the exception applies.
Great comment with knowledge.
This is the first time I have ever heard about 3.3b(3).
While I was watching the video, I thought if Tiger DQed himself, he would have been a true legend, looked really cool and becoming a great idol who took integrity over his fame advantage.
Then I read your comment and found that I am wrong. I think Augusta PR team should be the one to blame by not explaining the whole idea of how they made their decision to public and left Tiger alone for the heat.
I don't see how they "broadly interpreted" the word "competition"...if it was before the round ended and they signed anyway they would obviously be DQd, so the only possible meaning is the end of the tournament. The real question is what the word "known" means, when it's in the rule book its known.
@@brucesmith1544 Good point. Also if the rules makers intended round they would have said round (even though round makes no sense as you say). The mistake was found before the end of the round anyway, but the player was unaware of that when he signed.
If he wasn't Tiger Woods and was just a "regular" golfer in that position, I doubt Egan would be so interested in his score that he would have replayed the incident and texted the official. Also, a "regular" golfer in that position probably wouldn't have been interviewed at all. I'm not saying anything or anyone was right or wrong; it's just something to think about.
Enjoyed this very much. A good reminder that golf rules are absurd sometimes and not helping the game. There are rules officials everywhere and also opponents..stuff like this should be discussed/disputed during or right after the round. No video footage or interview should change things. Clearly, Tiger did not gain advantage or did anything to intentionally gain an advantage. People who believed Tiger should have withdrawn because of this are clowns.
👍exactly
It was a dropped shot, wouldn’t there have been a rules official there at the time? Shouldn’t the rules official have told him that he’s not allowed to drop there? If a rules official was present and allowed it to happen then it should not have been a penalty. This is a mistake on the rules officials, not the player.
Just like your comment absurd! Rule breaker!!!
@@LeprechaunGinger 😂
@RockPolitics well hello, you bundle of joy. Im sure you are lots of fun to be around.
Enjoyed watching this video. Would love to see more videos like this where Golf Digest look at other major moments in golf history during other Major tournaments.
Check how Dustin Johnson moved his ball forward with his finger when marking his ball at the 12.... its only slight but he must know he moved ball touching his finger.
This is like calling the NBA during the Finals to tell the commissioner someone traveled and then changing the score of the game the next day.
6 years later he got his comeback win
Tiger took his penalty after a drop. How a player is meant to know every subtlety to every single rule without an official being there at every shot to assess it, is absolutely ridiculous, and those calling for a disqualification after this should give their heads a wobble. Tiger gained no advantage. Let's stop this absolute idiocy, for him and for every other golfer out there. It's pedantic BS that is ruining the pleasure of the game for everyone.
Tiger said in the interview, that he went back 2 yards because the lie was better, that's a big advantage you can control the spin/flight easier
Brandel Chamblee calling for Tiger to withdraw on his own accord since they didn’t DQ him is even more ridiculous. What kind of competitor would do that? That’s like getting pulled over for speeding and refusing to be let off with a warning and demanding the officer give you a ticket.
Chamblee was also calling all the LIV Golf players “depreciating assets”. I can’t stand the guy.
This is a dumb comment, this exact same thing happens every year somewhere on either the pga LPGA or another tour and every time the player is DQed end of story! Far as "gained no advantage" well that the most ignorant of knowledge ever posted...
It's always the player's responsibility to know the rules. NO EXCUSES!
@@steveking8548 Every player who competes in official competitions should have a copy of the rule book in his/her bag.
Since this video is on the theme of accuracy and the correction of error, they shouldn’t say “Fred Ridley, chairman of Augusta National,” as he was not such at the time. He was in fact, chairman of the competition committee, which is what made him the relevant official in this rules case. 2 shot penalty for GD. ;)
I was gonna comment "clickbait title", but I think your comment is better
On further review, they are disqualified for publishing a video with an incorrect information. Had they corrected the error before publication it would have been only a 2 stroke penalty.
But Fred turned out to be a poor choice for that position
He was within two club lengths which most assume is the standard for a drop. Too many Karens in the world.
I hate stuck up snop rules officials in golf
I've played golf for years including highschool and college and still don't know all the rules. In this case, I would've done a club length drop no closer to the pin. Boom done.
and 'no closer to the hole' - I didn't understand it then, still don't now. Overly complicated and for what?
just play speedgolf with simple rules!
@@kdilli6426 absolutely agree
You weren’t listening. Tiger said he dropped two clubs BEHIND the spot so he had a better angle. The rule said nearest available spot. It gave him an advantage.period
*old man watches tv*
Also old man: I'm going to involve myself
hahah for real he saw it as his civic duty
and that is why the PGA is dead & LIV Golf is flourishing !!
The best rule change the PGA has made was to stop 🛑 call in rule infractions. I’ve nevered liked the fact that someone sitting on a sofa only watching 0.005 % of all the golf shots in a tournament can get a player penalised
No the 14 hours that changed his career were the ones after his wife chased him down the driveway with a golf club.
The pronunciation of Worcester was brutal
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This was a really interesting watch! Thanks Golf Digest!
On day one of masters at the 12. Dustin Johnson played ball back onto green, when he marked his ball he can be seen pushing ball forward with his finger a small amount before placing coin down...
Yeah, if your ball moves while you’re marking it, there’s no penalty. You just put the mark where the ball was.
Be right back, I'm gonna make a phone call and see about getting his score adjusted...
Gotta say, this video, and the narration tops my list
Buried the lede on this. The Ridley and Eger relationship and Ridleys knowledge of the rule being broken before the round ended is more interesting.
Before I even watched, I always thought he could’ve won that masters if that unfortunate hole 15 didn’t happen.
Absolutely he probably would have
How exactly did that incident change Tiger Woods career?
That's the best one. I know. They can't accept he didn't catch Nicklaus.
@@TheMastersAugusta, I'm not sure I can understand how that incident during the 2nd round of the 2013 Masters really altered the trajectory of Tiger's career any more than his marital infidelities or the numerous injuries he's suffered both before and since that 2013 tournament.
@@matthewcohen7067 Because Golf Digest has a partnership with Woods, & they want to implant in peoples heads, the idea that he is the GOAT despite he does not have the majors records, not just wins, but Nicklaus buries him in top 10's, top 5's top 3's and top 2 in the majors. Once people believe he got shafted, they have just cause to call him GOAT, this what Golf Digest wants. So to answer your question, though they don't say what caused it, ... it appears that are blaming everyone for ganging up on Tiger, Brandel Chamble, the flag sticks were to thick, the guy who called it in who seen it on TV, those in charge at Augusta...everyone ganged up on him, and although they did not say this, it seems to imply possible.. POSSIBLE.. long term psychological damage. If this did not happen how many would he have won if this ganging up him really did take a toll on him psychologically. That is what I got out of it.
About 3 Masters backs not the sticks but they screwed with greens making approaches were often undoable and make the 1st round gimmicky and done in purpose and I think millions in bets caused it ! It just wasn't playing like Augusta!!
@@TheMastersAugustaYeah because he didn’t have to play against anyone good
Great job on the editing and the suspenseful music was great 👏🏽
How do you sign for an incorrect scorecard if no one said anything about the violation until after the round? Put officials on every hole and make the call on the spot if you are going to enforce that.
@RockPolitics it sounds like tiger didnt know the rule. he freely admitted he gave himself two yards. doesnt sound like he was being deceptive.
DQ would be a ridiculous decision
Yet there is a lot of precedence for being DQed for signing an incorrect score card.
Had it been anyone else, except maybe Phil, they would have been disqualified for signing the wrong score card.
Obviously the PGA and the Masters officials knew that viewership would plummet if Tiger was not playing through the weekend.
Basically their sponsors would have freaked out if they DQed Tiger.
I'd say that the first score card error would be a warning, the next would be a DQ. I mean come off it.
I was there in '68 when Roberto De Vicenzo incorrectly signed his score card. He was assessed a 2 stroke penalty and giving the win to Bob Goalby!
A two shot penalty?
If I’m not mistaken vicenzo signed for a par when he made a birdie so he acc signed for a higher score than he had giving the win away
(Correct me if I’m wrong)
@@oliverloughridge4848 That's right, he had birdied 17 and Tommy Aaron wrote down a par and he missed it. Regardless of the error he was 12 under and tied with Bob Goalby headed to a playoff when the infraction was noticed.
@@oliverloughridge4848 No matter what was on vicenzo's score card, the score board was the correct score with vicenzo and goalby tied at -12. The signing an incorrect card cost him 2 stroke penalty.
@@MrIslandman59 That's incorrect, there's no 2-stroke penalty for signing an incorrect scorecard. He signed for a higher score and that's the score he got. If he had signed for a lower score he would have been DQ'd.
14:45 Funny how I'm just now learning about this 11 years later.
And I'm old enough to remember watching Tiger start his professional career.
Seems like a crazy rule.
The real story is what an absurdly bad break that was. We will never know for sure but it’s pretty obvious he was going to win that year. He was completely locked in. Love him or hate him Tiger is the GOAT.
SGOAT.. Second Greatest of All Time.. Thank God we have clear cut definitions in golf to figure greatness..
Yea, that why he, Tiger stated he is 2nd on the all time list. If a future golfer wins 14 majors, do you know what the golf world shall ask? WILL HE CATCH JACK'S 18 or stay stuck at 14 for 10 years like that Tiger guy did? See what record lights up and who he will be chasing. Nicklaus is the greatest of all time, no event ever happened where the headlines read one morning, Tiger is now the greatest! Look at al of the pre car crash articles, they all label Nicklaus as the greatest of all time. This Tiger GOAT thing started with them, Golf Digest after the car crash extinguished all practical hope of catching Jack, so they started the GOAT slogan and are now blaming this event for screwing up his life as to why he did win more majors.
This is why pros call in a rules official for even the simplest rulings. Just in case.
They didn't use to do that before this, this is one of several instances that has taught players to do so, and it's annoying that it came to that.
But the onus of the infraction shifted to Augusta National after they failed to assess a penalty in their first review. The fact that he signed a wrong scorecard was their fault.
I disagree, the crucial thing is if before he signed his card, they told tiger that they reviewed the incident and no infraction was found then they would have responsibility as he would have gotten an “official ruling” before signing. However if they didn’t say anything to him and he didn’t get a ruling then he is responsible for signing an incorrect score and should have been dq’d.
@@boudalff they did review the incident when a viewer called in. They looked at it and found no penalty should be incurred. Then Augusta heard Tiger's interview afterwards where he said he dropped 2 yds back, and _then_ they issued the 2 stroke penalty, and decided not to DQ him because it was reviewed first without penalty.
This ridiculous suspense music like we're talking about uncovering a murder mystery.
Maybe close I told Cubans to complain drinking yahoos on course in Georgia" they'd probably kill us " They were right and used good judgement!!
Great video well made!
Woods and Cabrera were my bets that year. Cabrera was 100-1.
How much did you bet on Cabrera?
@@seanscott7070 $30
Had Tiger only gone 1 yard back for the drop he would have holed out for 5. He hit the next shot to like a foot straight at the pin again. (A fact which this video brushes over by saying "he got up and down") Had Tiger made the correct drop he may have run away with the tournament after the moment that would have been.
Video was done very well
The whole signing an incorrect score card is a penalty is stupid unless you do so purposefully. He thought the card was correct when he signed it so him signing it while it technically being incorrect shouldn't matter. The two stroke penalty was more than fair for the infraction.
Who’s the narrator he’s freaking amazing
The officials could have handled this in a much better way. Yes, it sounds like Tiger committed the infraction, but the officials had a chance to talk with him before he signed his card.
So I am thinking that behind closed doors the next morning, Tiger called them out for it and that is why disqualification was taken off the table.
TIger did not sign an incorrect scorecard. It was correct at the time he signed it. That's like saying you signed a contract, then someone makes a change to the contract afterwards, and then you get punished for not following the contract.
Golf is a great game..and it needs to be held to a higher standard because of all the variables involved.. and it's a game that needs to be self governing because it's a one of honor and honesty. But sometimes it just goes too far. It's obvious that Tiger himself didn't know what he'd done. I always thought the rule was you can drop NO CLOSER to the hole but as far back as you wanted. As long as it's on the same line as the previous shot. I too learned something that day. Now, I'm not a big fan of Tiger, especially back then, I always found him to be a bit cold and self egrandizing...but I've warmed up to him as he's gotten older, as it tends to mellow us all. It should have cost him a single penalty shot and that's it.. and the 3 shot penalty was more than enough. But he took it and moved on. Much respect for that btw. But DQd for signing an incorrect scorecard? Absolutely stupid. Roberto DiVincenzo would definitely agree. It's not like either man intended to do wrong. It was an honest mistake because, after all, we are all human. And Roberto got the waaaay worse end of that deal for the record. I mean, that's a life changer! And he woulda finished one higher than he did! Golf has made great strides in becoming more of a people's game, especially in recent times. The rule changes in the last few years alone are testament to that..(I can't think of any off the top of my head except for leaving the flag in being okay on putts..which drives me crazy btw..but hey, if it speeds things up, what's the harm?) But we need to get a grip on some of these extremities..now the line is blurry, I'll admit. But is it necessary to have a rules official come in to tell you (after a 15 minute delay) to play your ball as it lies because you thought you saw it move? And does everyone that has access to a 4k replayable telly have the power to call in these infractions? Btw, what's that phone number? Lol. I mean, come on..the game is slow enough, isn't it?
Crazy that he hit the stick on the 15th again today in his 2nd round… @ 9:21
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"As close as possible." That is a very nebulous rule and definition. Comparing it to a "ball moving" when you address it is ridiculous. Tiger had no intent to cheat or gain advantage. This is actually an unfair ruling. How much of this ruling is simply jealousy about one of the most talented golfers of all time.
"Changed the course of his career" is a tad hyperbolic. By April 2013, he had won 77 titles, 14 of them majors. He's either 1 or 2 on everybody's ranking of the top golfers of all time. One additional major wouldn't influence anyone who has him at #2 to move him to #1.
Not really counting Bobby Jones who some thought his average drive would be 400 with modern equipment ! I say Jones beats Woods half of time or more !!
@@davidmahady8241 There is no reasonable way of comparing golfers 100 years ago and golfers today. The equipment is different, the courses are different and the players are different. Modern players lift weights and are generally fit, even 50 years ago players were not fit.
Ten years later and nobody's still gotten the full story. ;)
This still haunts me to this day. He 100% would have won if he never hit that stupid flag stick.
It was a 2 shot penalty and he finished 4 back. You think Tiger is fragile enough that this broke his confidence or concentration? You can't say anything with 100% certainty, much less this.
@@H20skier56 plus the bad bounce plus the drop. 4 shots.
He more than likely would have birdied it for a 4 had it not hit the flagstick. He ended up with a bogey. That’s 2 shots different, plus the 2 shot penalty for 4 shots. I agree.
@@H20skier56 It was a 2 shot penalty on top of the 1 shot penalty for the original drop after ball bounced into the water compared to a pretty much guaranteed birdie my man, that's literally a 4 shot swing.
0:55, is the golf club Arnie's trophy holding bent?
Way too dramatic, this should have been a 4 minute video
I think it was the right decision to not DQ him because Ridley messed up by choosing to ignore it in the first place. They should have pulled Tiger in immediately after his round and asked him about it. He would have mentioned the 2 yards and they would have known immediately it was a penalty and it would have been corrected before he signed his card.
I think you are pointing out a key note that some have decided to ignore. A quick 12 seconds(8:13) of this vid tells that there was a chance to talk to Tiger before he signed his card.
The 2 stroke penalty was more than enough. I think however its Tigers personal life that changed his career not this one incident. Tiger is up there probably the 2nd best golfer of all time, sadly we will never know if he would have made it to no 1.
Him needing to apologize was absurd.
Had Tiger won, this might have been an sports historic event. But he didn't, and I hadn't thought about it until this upload popped up. Cheers.
GREATVIDEO! It's also "woos-ster "Massachusetts! Everyone does it 😂💙🙌
nah dude guy it's WISTA!!
No Shrewesberry and Hank Rabine 😊😊Harvey Wallbanger! Hi Hank
I know its a golf channel and probably a golf crowd, but holy moly are they stuck up :D
yeah go on r/golf and they are all like that too
Everyone arguing about if he deserved the penalty and I'm annoyed by Worcester being pronounced wrong
This was a very unfortunate event to say the least
Was Secret Base involved with this?
Golf rules in general need a major overhaul. The ball in a divot, defining nearest point of relief, lost ball search time, and many many more
There are some rules that definitely need to be changed. Even Nicklaus said that no player should ever incur a two shot penalty for hitting one bad shot. Signing an incorrect card shouldn't be a disqualification unless the player knowingly and blatantly cheated. Obviously this wasn't the case here. Otherwise, Tiger wouldn't have openly admitted to dropping 2 yds back. The fact that they reviewed it before he finished his round shows its their fault he signed the wrong score. Another crazy fact about rules: the player is only responsible for their score on each hole, not the total score. In other words, a player can write down and sign a total score different than what their 18 hole score is and not be penalized because they're not responsible for the math, only their score on each individual hole.
this was great. the only thing was using the words "let's rewind" it reminded me a lot of Secret Base rewind.
Very nice video. He was very unfortunate hitting the pin mainly. I still think THE turning point of his career is his m losing his lead for the first time ever at the 2009 PGA.
Tiger didn't win a Single Major in 2009, and shot 75 on Sunday at the 2009 PGA Championship. Y. Yang only needed to shoot 70 to beat him. Solid score, but not sparkling. I think all those affairs he was juggling finally caught up with him in 09 and he couldn't come through in the clutch like we were used to.
@@radar0412 I think this is a backward-looking reconstruction of history, and Woods shot 75 because eventually he was going to shoot 75 in the final round of a major in which he held the lead. The 75 wasn't what shocked me; that it took 17 majors before someone finally overtook him did. We'll never know, though. Obviously a few months after that PGA, Woods' entire life was turned upside-down, so it's possible that his lifestyle was beginning to affect his on-course play. Shame, really. Loses a big chunk of his prime to personal issues, and the back end of it to a car accident. I remember him putting out at Torrey in 2008 to win number 14, and figured he'd break Jack's record by 7-8 majors. If you'd told me that Monday he was to win but one more, I'd never have believed it.
@@spencerjsteel I just think it's kinda funny that the same year Tiger blows a lead in a Major for the first time ever, is the same exact year the Media and his wife uncover a multitude of scandalous affairs. You can think it's just coincidental. That's fine.
The rule was changed before he even entered the tournament. It applied to everyone playing. The rule was enforced exactly as it should have been. Tiger did not lie about what he did. Anyone that thinks Tiger should have withdrew or be dq'ed are ignorant of the rule, can't read so they can read the rule or were just tired of Tiger kicking their rears day after day. I think it's mostly the last one.
I agree
I remember when Craig Stadler's ball ended up under a bush. He placed a towel on the ground so he could kneel on the towel and not stain his pants as he hit the shot. He was assessed a 2 stroke penalty for improving his stance.
The rules are the rules, he was told.
The rule was realized to be stupid and later was changed to allow placement of a towel.
Well as much as I love Tiger, he should have been DQ'd for signing a lower score. The rules are the rules.
That said, Augusta officials were made aware that a violation might have occurred , well before Tiger signed the card. They could have notified him of that so he could of held off signing the card until a ruling was made.
Finally, what is "as close as possible"? Yes 2 yards is not "as close as possible, but then 2 inches isn't as close as possible either. Neither is 1/2 an inch etc.
Rule needs to be clarified.
I still can't believe that Tiger and Williams made the mistake of not finding the divot hole he made on the previous shot before dropping a ball or they could have called for a ruling.
Paul Azinger was DQed at Doral for inadvertently "kicking a rock" in a hazard while he was hitting his ball that was literally under water.
A viewer saw this, called the PGA and the following day after he finished the next round they told him hecwas disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard the previous day. Hecwas one shot off the lead.
Absurd rule and absurd they enforced such an inconsequential rule that some loser watching TV saw and reported.
How can you sign for the wrong score when it's only determined by spectator and officials after the round has concluded and cards signed, that it was 'wrong'?
The Masters has had a long history of bending the rules for stars. Ask Ken Venturi.....
I feel like this video is trying to whisper to me. The volume level is so low.
As far as the flag pole, everyone else was playing with the same ones so all is good.
What I'd like to know more about is the original intent of the rule and other rules. My impression of most if not all of them is to not give yourself an unfair advantage after a poor shot and to take your penalty for such a shot. If that's the "spirit" of why the rules are there in the first place, it seems to me taking a lie within the general area and taking his stroke are well within the intent of play. You could also argue I suppose that he chose 2 yards back for some perceived advantage, but then you'd be arguing about the state of mind of the player (Tiger in this case), and 2 yards back could be interpreted as a better lie or just a safety margin so you don't get accused of putting the ball closer to the hole. Point is, it gets muddy, so go back to the spirit of play where it doesn't appear at all like he was giving himself an advantage after an unlucky shot.
Even down to how the rule is written, I still don't understand how he broke any rules here. He was no closer to the hole and he was close to the original spot. How close is close enough? 1 foot? 3 inches? inside the divot? This is beyond the pale.
@@leroyrodgers6089 Maybe see how far 2 yards is on the floor and then try to convince yourself that is "as close as possible" to the spot of the previous shot. He then admitted that he thought being 2 yards further back put him in a better position for his next attempt..
@@leroyrodgers6089Staying within a yard not too much to ask because downhill lie can greatly effect shot I had 25 yard pitch that seemed so easy but because it's downhill I hit into sand at least 15 times ! So with that obvious tricky pitch Tiger had totally reasonable to make him be real real close to original lie!
You know the rules are bad when pros can’t even keep up. Needs to be simplified
If you are going to play the game for a living, the least you can do is KNOW THE RULES. The IRS has MORE rules and my CPA seems to be able to remember them. Why can't a golfer remember the rules? NO EXCUSES!
Tiger always telling on himself 😂😂
This is stupid. No other sport assesses penalties after playing has ended
Reading the comments here I'm reminded of the youngsters who defended the juicers in MLB back in the 90's and beyond. Apparently when something like this involves their favorite player they feel compelled to rationalize and defend Woods' decision. While the chairman deserves some blame for his initial decision, it's up to the golfer to know the rules. This would never have happened with Nicklaus imho.
I'm willing to bet you that tiger whoop jack's bottom 8 out of 10 times
Good video, but get a better mic Golf Digest
Can we all just agree that Brandel Chamblee is a massive tool?
The Rules are the Rules☝🏻
It just amazes me how someone not even involved in the tournament, or even at the tournament, can change the tournament. No other sports would even consider this.
It says why the the disqualification wasn't;t applied in the text that you blurred out. It says was waived by the committee as they had previously reviewed the information and ruled it ok, prior to the end of Tiger's round. You should have mentioned that, IMO.
But the rules do not give the committee the power to make that decision.
is this made by the guy that does Rewinder on SB Nation?
I think the decision was fair. Plus, Profrssional golf is entertainment. Tiger is great for the game. Play away!!
Interesting backstory. Could we pick up the pace a bit though? Nearly as slow as a Patrick Cantlay round.
"No closer to the pin" He can take two yards.Honestly I dont know why this video exists. Augusta says no harm no foul and yet here we are.
For the option he chose the rules say " as close as possible " to the previous spot. 2 yards is not as close as possible . It doesn't matter that he was no nearer to the hole.
The video explained the 3 options he had and why he chose the one he did, which was to go back and drop a ball as close as possible to the previous spot. He chose THAT option but then did not follow the rule for it.
Then did not penalize himself and signed a lower score card. The rules say that is an automatic DQ. Augusta ignored that rule because of the ratings Tiger brings in when he is in contention on the weekend.
Btw. I'M A HUGE Tiger fan but no one should be above the rules.
I _also_ like Rewinder at Secret Base.
A 4 shot penalty for hitting a shot so well it smacked into the pin? Golf is such a fun game. Great rules.
i have always held u should get a free drop if ur ball hits a flagstick and goes into a hazard or ob
Seems a lot of people here love Tiger more than they do golf. An imperfect golfer was held accountable for an improper drop. I'm sure Tiger appreciates the enablers and has had them most of his life.
Now discuss John Rahm's Provisional ball on 18 yesterday at Augusta. Oh, imagine the controversy! Lots of rules geniuses in the GD camp; probably not many good players.
Tiger made the PGA SOOOOO much money...i think a 2 stroke penalty is fine..and HE DIDN'T sign for the wrong score...they added the 2 strokes AFTER he signed his card...NOBODY called it before that.
Billy Payne was the Chairman of the Club back then. I think Ridley was the chairman of the competition committee. And, Tiger was in the wrong. He admitted it in the interview, even if there was no malicious intent. Augusta should have disqualified him, as they would have anyone else. Roberto DeVicenzo was denied a shot at a playoff in 1968 because his playing partner wrote the wrong score down on one hole. DeVicenzo signed the card because the total score was correct, but, when you sign a card, it’s not the total, but the scores for each hole that matters. Tiger claimed a lower score than he rightfully earned. That should be a dq.
Comments make no sense. The rules are super clear. It didn't take a rules expert to not commit this violation. It took simply knowing the rule. If your job is to play golf, there is no reason to ever make a procedural error.
What a snitch.
like innocent lexi
People only cared because Tiger was still dominating at that point and just wanted to drag him down. David Eager really thought a whole 2 yards was a big deal ‼️
Just an FYI… Ridley wasn’t the Chairman in 2013, it was Billy Payne. Ridley was the Head of Rules
Augusta National, as always, did what's best for the game of golf and this tournament.
I disagree. They did what was best for ratings. I saw it live and knew he had not dropped in as close as possible spot. He signed an incorrect score card because he didn’t call in a rules official to verify before he dropped
@@captainmatt346 it was no closer to the hole, isnt that the basic penalty drop ruling?
@Zug 209 yea im confused ive seen people nowadays go way further back in line with where their golf ball went into a hazard or water, but idk the exact rules of golf that well
Dramatising a little ball position mistake like Flight MH370 story is simply frustrating for me
The thicker flag stick is against the rules
1. Golf is a sport of insane accuracy. Knowingly dropping your ball 2 yards back because you know that'll make your shot more likely to fall is cheating. Period.
2. Tiger attempting to crush LIV Golf because it affects the value of his own personal records and jeopardizes the PGA because it may become as irrelevant as the ABA is equally disturbing.
You have to be a diehard Tiger fan to completely ignore #1.
My second point is far more controversial, but him and Rory were wrong to stand in the way of LIV. Sucks for them but great for the game and for those who haven't made millions in their tour quests.
You sound bitter.
@@Hillbillykaren lol not at all. Rory and Tiger ate a lot of humble soup this past year. 😆
I have a memory of John Houston hitting several shots into water on a par 5 at Agusta and after each going many yards back after each to play the next. He took a one stroke penalty after each. In Tiger's case, was this a local rule just for this particular hole?
so heres the thing, he truly believed he was signing the correct score, so there he has no grounds for DQ, its DQ if you knowingly sign the wrong one
also i personally believe you should be allowed a retake drop up to a clublength backwards because if your first shot chewed the ground up, plus where you were standing etc, you kinda deserve a non-influenced surface
Brutal video