It saddens & angers me that *OTHER PEOPLE were bullies to Moe Norman* . People who ruined him when he played on tour in particular should be ashamed of themselves. Oh well, I guess golf is *not a gentleman's game after all* for if it were, this great soul would have won much more, and been happier. When it comes to people who are quirky just because they are, I truly hope mankind is in a better place in 2019 and beyond. Rest In Peace, Mr. Norman. Millions of us loved you more than you could ever know.
Brilliant comment, thank you. Bullying sickens me as much as it does you, it seems to be directed so often at gentle, wonderfully talented people who are therefore different from the mediocre bullying rabble. Just writing this is upsetting me so I'd better stop !
@G Blizzard Be concerned how YOU treat other people ; instead what OTHER people do. Golf is the game you make it to be. It can be a gentleman's game if YOU act like it.
I caddied in the Canadian PGA Tour Alberta Open in Edmonton in 1974. In a practice round Moe hit a ball he wasn't happy with. He immediately hit a second ball before the first ball landed. Two balls in the air at the same time!
Did anyone ever consider or ponder the idea that maybe Moe was more than just a man... Maybe he was a gift from the heavens? Maybe he was meant to touch the lives of all of us who love this game? Maybe he was really an Amgel here to do God's work? Maybe... Just maybe... Hope to play with you someday in some other place Moe. Maybe that's crazy thinking who knows? Or maybe I'm just a believer 😇 RIP Moe you were (and still are) more special than you know...
Beautifully said with sentimentality - many thanks for brightening up our day! In fact, perhaps that was Moe's calling to inspire *US* to follow _his_ footsteps to make the world a better place by similarly _inspiring_ others. It turns out the subtext of many prophets go beyond "fishing" for the masses and actually offering us more enlightenment on the big picture... providing us an opportunity to enrich our lives by helping others learn to fish and follow similar footsteps with their talents... time... treasures. Eric, certainly your thoughtful post helped me to consider such possibilities and best wishes making an impact in the PHILIPPINES! Peace.
Could listen and watch for a couple of hours. Thank you, admirers and mates of Moe! Moe who... Moe Norman...the best golf ball striker to have ever lived. That's who...!!! Remarkable Man.
I think people missed about what Moe did is the constant positive self talk about himself. He never beats himself down he always says such positive things about himself ALL THE TIME.
God rest his soul. Despite all the lifelong ridicule, Moe still managed to shine like a diamond...I think Moe had a lot more love in his heart than anyone ever knew.
Moe will always have a place in my heart. I met him and was amazed. He makes me and many others love golf and want to get better. RIP we will miss you.
As a lifelong golfer, a plus 1 handicap at age 58, I am still amazed and inspired by the kind of people this game attracts and what it does for peoples lives. Golf truly is the game of a lifetime and it will teach you more about yourself, and others than any other activity you can participate in. Sports in general is good for life, so find your sport, but I recommend everyone learn golf, even if you excel in other sports.
I birdied our index 1,16th 385m par 4 on the weekend. 2iron, 7iron over the big oak, draw to 12 ft and then in. That was a feeling of greatness for me - and will keep me going back. Well said.
Thanks Todd! I learned of Moe through Natural Golf and becoming a Natural Golf Instructor. As part of that process, I had the honor to see Moe hit golf balls live. What a treat. RIP Moe!
God bless this man. He was a true GENIUS and so misunderstood by the ignorant. He was special and im not talking just about golf. I don’t think you find people who are as pure as he was. The best part about him was his confidence... The best !!!
Thank you Todd, i've seen all your videso.....this is no. 1. Chokes me up. Moe, what a character and great man. Bet he never hurt anybody....in his life. Moe was a showman....loved every minute of it. One time, he had a kid stand insdie a hoola hoop with a baseball glove. Without leaving the circle...a 6 iron from 160, the kid caught every single one.
How in the hell have sky not done a serious documentary on this man… they did Jordan, woods… all the greats. This man deserves his own limelight… I knew about the storey of moe 25 years ago, hit hundreds of golf balls a day through my teens just trying to even feel what he described! History has a place for him
I’ve been playing golf the Moe Norman way for nearly 20 years now, and it’s been the one reason I enjoy golf so much. With bad hips and an aching back, I can still go out and enjoy a round of golf, and not feel like I’m doing more damage to my body. And, if I don’t hit it straight, it’s operator error. Also, I got my first hole in one in 2017. A sweet 7 hybrid @136 yards. 2 bounces and in the hole. If I had to play conventional golf, I’d of quit 20 years ago. Thank You Moe Norman, may you RIP. ⛳️🏌🏻♂️
Had the pleasure to meet and video Moe for 9 holes back in the early 90s at a private club demo near Toronto. He had this sing-songy voice and he would just say, that's 250 yards, that's 275 that's... Dead straight. Like an arrow. He was uncanny and his putting was also quite good. The other pro - a long driving champion said to me, don't video me - video Moe!
@@firstname7330 It was an exhibition, he hit several balls and no score was recorded. Having said that he was able to hit to the same place - wherever he chose. It was amazing to watch. No doubt he was still a scratch golfer at the time.
@@baljaffrayboy It's on a video I will see if I can convert it and do that. Moe was amazing. My mother who is nearly 90 was at a driving range one day and without knowing who was, was amazed!
I got to see him do a clinic when I was just a boy. He was truly incredible. He got his assistant to place a small bed sheet (about 6x6ft) out to the 150yard marker and would shape shots with his 7 iron landing them on the Blanket over and over and over and over. He must have done it 20x in a row. He then got his assistant to place another bed sheet at the 240 yard marker and he did the same thing, landing about 15-20 shots within 1 or 2 yards of the bed sheet. He hit every single type of shot shape you can imagine. I consider myself extremely lucky that I got to meet him and watch him apply his craft in person. RIP Mr. Norman.
@Patrick Names Did you not hear multiple guys say he could shape the ball any way he wanted? His natural flight is dead straight. There are a few other videos on youtube of him hitting hooks and fades.
Moe Norman's philosophy about golf is what made me the golfer i am today. My favorite quote of Moe is: "If you're going to miss it, miss it quick, because it all counts the same".
Can’t wait for the full documentary (I donated) and for a future movie! I wish the PGA would induct him into the hall of fame!! It would also be great to have a tournament remembering Moe every year where it may last two or three weeks...where anyone can enter regardless of income!
Sorry to be so offtopic but does anybody know of a way to get back into an Instagram account?? I somehow forgot the password. I love any help you can offer me!
I believe there was to be a movie 10 or so years ago called "Dance the Green". Not sure what happened to it but if there's already a script then Netflix should absolutely jump on it.
I so agree. Am amazed that someone so good, so different, and let's not forget, so mentally fragile, that a film hasn't been made about this amazing man.
How about setting up a petition for this movie idea and send it to Netflix. I hope that there are enough people around the globe who sign it so Netflix would start shooting.
@@GolfSidekick he probably was autistic, but that's not a bad thing at all...there are lots of people in history that had autism most likely (Thomas Edison for example)...but look what they left the world...I have an autistic cousin and besides being what some consider "weird" hes a phenom when it comes to painting and is a beautiful person...If anything having the label of autism is useful in helping others understand him as a person
Love this guy, absolute genius! Can't wait for the movie. I'm a 4 handicapper but going nowhere, started the single plain method 1 month ago and already seeing results, it takes some getting used to but feels so much easier, thanks moe!
@@robertnunn2093 OK thanks very much for the reply, I have noticed that for shorter clubs and pitching and Chipping it works brilliantly but the top end of the bag feels a little harder ro get used to, I guess that's why bryson went one length?? What would you say are the main differences between moe and bryson? Setup obviously but anything more?? Thanks again
@@robertnunn2093 thanks very much for getting back to me again, the set up ideas make sense, the more upright move you get from being closer to the ball defiantly generates more leverage, still loving it with 6 iron down and kind of using a hybrid swing for the longer stuff! The principles of it seem to help the feelings in a more conventional swing as well so I'm definitely going to stick with it! Thanks again for your input. Cheers James
If he could have stayed on the PGA tour in the late fifties, early sixties he would have caned them - at some stage. They bullied him and ostracized him to the point where he had to quit. But, look now, his fame increases every year - the peoples champ. Some golfers get forgotten. But Moe's simplistic approach to crunching the ball every single time will forever be remembered!
Everything you said is exactly TRUE ..... Moe enjoyed playing with George Knudson I think they were similar in thinking processes.....possibly they were both autistic to some degree....both loved hitting balls and both sort of disliked putting......yup
Nice job. One of my favorite stories was he was hitting balls with Hogan I think. Hitting at the 250 marker. Driver I think. It was foggy so they couldn't see them land. He hit three. They walk up and two balls are touching and the thirds a couple feet away. Great story.
Until 5 months ago, I didn't even know who Moe Norman was. My brother and I had already developed a single plane swing coincidentally on our own. I was trying to find other people similar to us on TH-cam, and found out about Todd Graves and Moe Norman. I now think of Moe as a legend on par with Nicklaus, Palmer, or Tiger.
Moe Norman and Ted Williams, two of the most interesting people I have ever conversed with. Passion came through in their conversations and Moe was really witty. Watching Moe hit balls, you could tell he knew how to get the club on the ball. The sound at impact focused your attention on that nanosecond.
Oh man, I'd do anything to meet Ted Williams... another guy with another worldly understanding of how to swing and hit a ball (a baseball obviously)...special guy
@@MrMark945 Despite his reputation of being a hot head ( when he was young), I knew as an aging man. And what came through in those years was a man who was very proud of his country and liked to see other be a proud of their country. He thoroughly enjoyed each day of retirement, at least when he was on the river fishing. At his late age he still showed a lot of emotion and I could make him spin on a dime with the right comment. I never asked him about baseball nor did I ask him for an autograph. I didn't feel it was the right thing to do. He did talk baseball once when he raised it. I used to see him for about four or five weekends every fall as he fished the Cains River in New Brunswick. After the salmon season closed he would winter in Florida.
I will be first in line to see this. I have his autograph which I cherish. Today he would have been a hero, think John Daly as opposed to the automatons playiing on tour. On the other hand some teacher (snead) would have seen him today with videos and totally ruined him.
Hey Todd, hope all is well. I watched Moe hit balls when I was playing in the 2001 Canadian PGA outside Toronto. A disclaimer......he was older than his prime, but still hit the ball fairly well. Slight draw. Spoke with him afterwards. Obviously eccentric, but polite. The thing I remember most was his hands. Almost as if he was a bricklayer his entire life.
It is truly sad, in our society, how people like Moe are treated. Thanks Todd for all the very interesting video of a truly insightful man that also was a genius and amazing golfer. People could learn a lot from Moe, and not just about golf.
Kelly Murray should have been consulting on this Documentary , Coached by Moe for many years I’d say he knew Moe as good as anyone! It would be truly an honor to be in the presence of this man thru his golf years.
I replicated moes swing one day and it didn't take long .I don't know if it's exactly the same but I have to say when my normal swing fails I start using the moe way and it's so easy.im surprised more people don't start using this swing it's so much more natural to square tye face to the ball moe way
i can recall putting a similar comment about Hogan (to a degree) and Trevino, to my eye all three seem to be sweeping the ball away, with a 'hockey slap' look a few inches before and slightly after the strike. i think if someone, anyone who started to hit balls for a long time from a young age as Moe did, (without orthodox tuition) would come up with a sweeping action, as if by contrast, they started hitting sharply down on the ball they would get nowhere.
Steve Perry Journey misses you :) Moe clearly stated in another video on YT that he pulls the club down , so no hockey slapshot action going on in his swing.
Very well done. Thank you thank you. I'm applying Moe's swing and everyone says it's so radical and difficult. I'm finding it very simple and am quick to see results. Results like in one swing. It's hard to believe, but I think this man was a for real genius. Like I say, I've just taken up this swing but I don't see myself going back. It's interesting being on the range and hearing the pros tell their students constantly what they're doing wrong. You think that'll change in 30 years? It never worked for me after 45 years. With Moe, I'm finding simplicity but most of all consistency. I think I'm an oddity on the range, but I'm guessing most marvel at the consistency. For my money, this is the swing that should be taught to 95% or more of golfers.
Michael. Thank you for your note. Yes, you have found Moe Norman and now you won't be able to look at the conventional golf swing the same way ever again. The conventional golf swing is too difficult. Moe figured it out. Genius. Keep up the good work. We should have the documentary ready for the Toronto Film Festival next spring....stay tuned.
I made the switch when I found Moe, then got some of the cobra single length irons. I’ve been playing for 30 years since I was 5 and have never enjoyed the game so much as I have in the past 8 months. I have my 10 year old daughter working Moe’s direction and she plays very well and best of all, has a blast
@@ToddGravesGolf Hey Todd, thanks for responding to my comment. I've been watching a number of your videos and have left other comments. I especially loved your talk up in Canada at what appeared a golf convention. A wonderful talk about Moe and his swing. So easy to see your respect for the great Moe Norman.
@@Natedoc808 Nate, I'm still relatively new with Moe's swing. Do you find yourself still learning, or are you pretty much locked in? I'm already beginning to feel like "I've got it", and I'll see as I take it from the range to the course. I'm pretty excited because for once I'm feeling that I'm owning my swing, and that's a great thing.
Michael Crosby I’m pretty locked in at this point, particularly once I changed my pre-swing routine for better alignment. Now it’s just a matter of execution however my game has gotten so much more consistent by pairing proper equipment to fit my single plane swing, far fewer miss-hits. Now it’s a matter of conquering the two hardest parts for me: more time to play, better course management/fewer beers! Lol
The last line is so telling of what it takes to be great. "I did it my way. And I'm not ashamed one bit." - Moe Norman If more people lived this way...if I lived this way all the time, this world would be so different, so much better.
Great Demo Todd. I will be donating to the production of the full film. If for some reason it doesn't make it into theaters, PLEASE release in on DVD or digital format etc... Thanks.
People shouldn't confuse greatest "ball striker" with greatest player that EVER lived. Ken Venturi played with and idolized Ben Hogan. And if he said Moe Norman was the greatest ball striker he ever saw then that's good enough for me.
I know both Hogan and Moe's swing mechanics. IMO, I would take Hogan's swing because it's a bit more powerful, maybe 20 yds. with driver for example. To me it also feels better. Hogan's fade and ball bounce was very close to being straight. Amateur opinion is the straight ball is so much better. I think this is absolutely false for several reasons but w/o going into an essay here, let me just repeat the difference was very small. That said, one can modify Moe's setup a bit and things will feel better although of course, there was nothing accidental in Moe's setup...however, I think the advantages are overemphasized. The main thing is the downswing engine/mechanics. Both swings are very accessible to anyone who is not a newbie. The swing mechanics knowledge is critical and makes all the difference, but dedication to hitting a lot of balls is mandatory to get "programmed". For example, if I switch to left handed swinging all the knowledge is virtually impotent as I'm not ambidextrous. I know a lot of people are searching for what Moe really did and I can tell everyone right here in a few sentences but it wouldn't be respected. So I present the problem simply: it's not the set up or the one plane swing that makes all the difference. It's how to maintain lag into and and thru impact. If you go to the top of the swing and try different things going down you can discover for yourself how easy almost everything leads to casting. Just try in very slow motion and the tendency of the club to start releasing will be apparent. Your short cut is to find what the lower body needs to do...this has nothing to do with "genius" per se or incredible hand coordination as most suppose. All this said, I have nothing but respect for Moe Noman's achievements. His swing model will probably live forever given the attention to his ability and achievements. That's quite an accomplishment because it's hard to (validly) innovate in golf.
@@davida.4933 David. Interesting assessment which I find somewhat factual. Regarding Moe's genius I would disagree the basis of your statement "Your Short cut is to find what the lower body needs to do...has nothing to do with genius". This is where Moe's swing mechanics are significantly different starting at address. His sidebend was substantially greater at address and his spatial relationship to the ball (at address) allowed a completely different lower body movement to and through impact. The two things alone, while possibly intuitive, are genius if not from the results he produced (achieving impact more consistently) but also from a biomechanical perspective.
@@davida.4933 Great points David A. I believe you are suggesting that there is more than one way to swing the golf club and get good results. And you prefer Hogan's way. Nothing wrong with that. Btw, If we look at players like Jim Furyk and Lee Trevino; those two swings alone prove that no one swing is mandatory to successful ball striking. However, every swing MUST ( no matter Standard or Natural ) have good posture, proper weight shift, head down at impact with proper release through the ball and a well balanced finish is the ultimate goal; using any swing necessary.
Simple physics, greatest move in golf. I spent majority of my life learning bullshit gold swing. Spent one year working on Moe and not turning back. Striping balls. Not hitting 800 balls a day. Made more progress in two years than I ever did learning traditional golf swing. It’s simple physics. If you are a weekend golfer, you should be learning the easiest way to hit a golf ball.
Dozens of course records and shooting 59 is not "pathetic" and "a joke'. The pros couldn't handle Moe because he hit the ball more pure and straighter than they could ever imagine.
I remember somebody saying 'Oh that pro has a homemade swing.' Well I think everybody has a homemade swing. Only those swing robots don't have homemade swings.
"Every man’s heart one day beats its final beat. His lungs breathe their final breath. And if what that man did in his life makes the blood pulse through the body of others and makes them believe deeper in something larger than life then his essence, his spirit, will be immortalized." - Jim "Warrior" Helwig
Moe would be winning pga tour events today if he was young. The tour would treat him better now. On the longest courses, maybe not. But on some of the shorter courses, no problem. Alot of people who have played this game for awhile will tell you that hitting a ball straight is the key to scoring day in and day out.
@@robertjones6880 Moe would have ZERO CHANCE....He never won a big tournament in his own day. The only tournaments he won were up in Canada which was considered a mini tour back then, and on the senior canadian tour which had even less competition. He played in the Masters twice and missed the cut both times. He played in more than 10 pga events and did not win, or come close to winning. Moe was amazing on the driving range, and hit the ball straight and short, had an average short game, and was a poor putter.
Jesus christ...drivers off the deck 230 yards, perfectly accurate...AND it not a technologically advanced driver...imagine what he could have done with an m6 in his hands
The truth about hitting a ball straight: keep it simple. Keep it simple and swing how “your body” feels natural. Forget trying to mimic the TV teachers. They’re not interested in you curing you doing their swing...think about it. Find your way and then practice.
Thank you very much fore this documentary. I was waiting for more about more. He is so inspiring. What about a real film? I heard a long time (7or 8 years) ago a film should have camped out... untitled « Dane the greens » seem to me?
Accolades coming now from the PGA and pros I find a little rich. They were the same ones who made sure Moe never got to play with them because they didn't think he was sophisticated enough. Moe doesn't need your praise and support any longer. He needed it while he was here. I, for one, will never forget the cruel and shabby way he was treated.
You said it. The attitude of those pros can be seen at any golf course, any day of the week. Moe was an expression of Truth in his chosen work...R.I.P. Moe !!
My mother recalls once being on the driving range of Hidden Lake in Burlington. Her words: This guy was next to me and I thought what is this? And it turned out to be Moe Norman. It’s years ago of course, but I can still recall the amazement. I think he said to someone..”do you want me to hit that post way in the distance? And he did..He also said that he could hit someone’s belly button.
age s more accepted which means much more famous which seems he wouldn’t have liked. In the range golf course scenario I think he would have enjoyed it but in the other aspects I’m not sure. You know thinking as I’m writing it’s really hard to say. Sad I never got to see him hit balls. Know some ppl who have though. All say the sane thing just unreal
If this still has not been finished you have to get Bryson DeChambeau to talk about Moe. He modeled his swing off the Young Moe footage you have on here . He has a Moe painting in his house and says its his idol . The longest driver on tour hits it like Moe in his prime . That has to get into this doco .
They dont make em like him no Moe. This is Kobe's mindset applied to golf, UNBREAKABLE work ethic, unflappable attitude, and will indisputably always be one of the greatest ball strikers of all time.
I've been a Moe Norman student since the Golf Digest issue on Moe. His swing is unique to himself. Many have tried to teach and copy his swing but few have come close. I have taught myself a Moe-ish type of swing. Mad Props to those Like Todd Graves and others in Moe's small circle of friends to keep Moe's legacy alive.
Anyone can do Moe's setup, stance, grip, etc.The valid downswing knowledge is what has been missed, underemphasized, or poorly explained. None it is hard for anyone who has hit a lot of balls over the years. Very simple. There will never be a great ball striker who has a complex swing model. The problem is most things we try will be invalid. The enemy is invalid knowledge.
i gotta tell you Todd, i am obsessed. i can't stop watching and listening to Moe.
It saddens & angers me that *OTHER PEOPLE were bullies to Moe Norman* . People who ruined him when he played on tour in particular should be ashamed of themselves. Oh well, I guess golf is *not a gentleman's game after all* for if it were, this great soul would have won much more, and been happier. When it comes to people who are quirky just because they are, I truly hope mankind is in a better place in 2019 and beyond. Rest In Peace, Mr. Norman. Millions of us loved you more than you could ever know.
@some one Welcome to the art of getting likes in you tube comments. 28-0 so far... Feel free to copy the method of getting noticed. Ha.
@some one No, in marketing, you get attention to draw people to your message. I'm glad we agree Moe Norman was a great golfer.
@some one 36 to 1 now. Did you give yourself a thumbs up? ;)
Brilliant comment, thank you.
Bullying sickens me as much as it does you, it seems to be directed so often at gentle, wonderfully talented people who are therefore different from the mediocre bullying rabble.
Just writing this is upsetting me so I'd better stop !
@G Blizzard Be concerned how YOU treat other people ; instead what OTHER people do. Golf is the game you make it to be. It can be a gentleman's game if YOU act like it.
I caddied in the Canadian PGA Tour Alberta Open in Edmonton in 1974. In a practice round Moe hit a ball he wasn't happy with. He immediately hit a second ball before the first ball landed. Two balls in the air at the same time!
Did anyone ever consider or ponder the idea that maybe Moe was more than just a man...
Maybe he was a gift from the heavens?
Maybe he was meant to touch the lives of all of us who love this game?
Maybe he was really an Amgel here to do God's work?
Maybe...
Just maybe...
Hope to play with you someday in some other place Moe.
Maybe that's crazy thinking who knows?
Or maybe I'm just a believer 😇
RIP Moe you were (and still are) more special than you know...
He was special for sure.
Beautifully said with sentimentality - many thanks for brightening up our day! In fact, perhaps that was Moe's calling to inspire *US* to follow _his_ footsteps to make the world a better place by similarly _inspiring_ others. It turns out the subtext of many prophets go beyond "fishing" for the masses and actually offering us more enlightenment on the big picture... providing us an opportunity to enrich our lives by helping others learn to fish and follow similar footsteps with their talents... time... treasures. Eric, certainly your thoughtful post helped me to consider such possibilities and best wishes making an impact in the PHILIPPINES! Peace.
The most unique follow through of all time...im a better man watching him live and seeing him smile. Thank you Moe.
Thanks for posting.
Could listen and watch for a couple of hours. Thank you, admirers and mates of Moe!
Moe who...
Moe Norman...the best golf ball striker to have ever lived.
That's who...!!!
Remarkable Man.
I think people missed about what Moe did is the constant positive self talk about himself. He never beats himself down he always says such positive things about himself ALL THE TIME.
Moe would teach me. It matters how you treat yourself. Love yourself, because if you can't nobody else can.
God rest his soul. Despite all the lifelong ridicule, Moe still managed to shine like a diamond...I think Moe had a lot more love in his heart than anyone ever knew.
Yes
Moe will always have a place in my heart. I met him and was amazed. He makes me and many others love golf and want to get better. RIP we will miss you.
As a lifelong golfer, a plus 1 handicap at age 58, I am still amazed and inspired by the kind of people this game attracts and what it does for peoples lives. Golf truly is the game of a lifetime and it will teach you more about yourself, and others than any other activity you can participate in. Sports in general is good for life, so find your sport, but I recommend everyone learn golf, even if you excel in other sports.
I birdied our index 1,16th 385m par 4 on the weekend. 2iron, 7iron over the big oak, draw to 12 ft and then in.
That was a feeling of greatness for me - and will keep me going back.
Well said.
Thanks Todd! I learned of Moe through Natural Golf and becoming a Natural Golf Instructor. As part of that process, I had the honor to see Moe hit golf balls live. What a treat. RIP Moe!
He wasn't odd. He was a pure genuine soul that was a genius at hitting the ball, and loved to share it. Incredible video. Cheers & thanks!
I CRIED AND NOT ASHAMED TO ADMIT IT. I TOO WANT TO FEEL GREATNESS. RIP MOE NORMAN.
This doco always gets me in tears....miss ya moe
God bless this man. He was a true GENIUS and so misunderstood by the ignorant.
He was special and im not talking just about golf.
I don’t think you find people who are as pure as he was.
The best part about him was his confidence... The best !!!
Thank you Todd, i've seen all your videso.....this is no. 1. Chokes me up. Moe, what a character and great man. Bet he never hurt anybody....in his life. Moe was a showman....loved every minute of it. One time, he had a kid stand insdie a hoola hoop with a baseball glove. Without leaving the circle...a 6 iron from 160, the kid caught every single one.
Moe Norman was the best there ever was and the best there ever will be, when it comes to purity of striking a golf ball!
The pga robbed rhe world of rhe greatest golf mind to ever exist
How in the hell have sky not done a serious documentary on this man… they did Jordan, woods… all the greats. This man deserves his own limelight… I knew about the storey of moe 25 years ago, hit hundreds of golf balls a day through my teens just trying to even feel what he described! History has a place for him
I’ve been playing golf the Moe Norman way for nearly 20 years now, and it’s been the one reason I enjoy golf so much. With bad hips and an aching back, I can still go out and enjoy a round of golf, and not feel like I’m doing more damage to my body. And, if I don’t hit it straight, it’s operator error. Also, I got my first hole in one in 2017. A sweet 7 hybrid @136 yards. 2 bounces and in the hole. If I had to play conventional golf, I’d of quit 20 years ago. Thank You Moe Norman, may you RIP. ⛳️🏌🏻♂️
I was lucky enough to see him for a min. the guy was that good.
Probably the greatest ball striker ever- period. Just so pure he was. Never forgotten. RIP legend.
Not probably...he was...when he was done hitting all his balls were literally in a neat pile on the range
Had the pleasure to meet and video Moe for 9 holes back in the early 90s at a private club demo near Toronto. He had this sing-songy voice and he would just say, that's 250 yards, that's 275 that's... Dead straight. Like an arrow. He was uncanny and his putting was also quite good. The other pro - a long driving champion said to me, don't video me - video Moe!
what did he shoot?
@@firstname7330 It was an exhibition, he hit several balls and no score was recorded. Having said that he was able to hit to the same place - wherever he chose. It was amazing to watch. No doubt he was still a scratch golfer at the time.
You should get the footage uploaded. Would be amazing to watch it 👌🏻
@@baljaffrayboy It's on a video I will see if I can convert it and do that. Moe was amazing. My mother who is nearly 90 was at a driving range one day and without knowing who was, was amazed!
@@firstname7330 It was not recorded but I have no doubt it would be scratch. He was that good. Even in his 60s.
Todd this film is so over due
Thank you this will be amazing
I got to see him do a clinic when I was just a boy. He was truly incredible. He got his assistant to place a small bed sheet (about 6x6ft) out to the 150yard marker and would shape shots with his 7 iron landing them on the Blanket over and over and over and over. He must have done it 20x in a row. He then got his assistant to place another bed sheet at the 240 yard marker and he did the same thing, landing about 15-20 shots within 1 or 2 yards of the bed sheet. He hit every single type of shot shape you can imagine. I consider myself extremely lucky that I got to meet him and watch him apply his craft in person. RIP Mr. Norman.
@Patrick Names Did you not hear multiple guys say he could shape the ball any way he wanted? His natural flight is dead straight. There are a few other videos on youtube of him hitting hooks and fades.
@Patrick Names You are right I guess he was incapable of curving a golfball.
Something everyone can learn from Moe is every golfer needs to understand their individual golf swing blueprint. He truly understood his very well
I cannot wait until this is released !. What a great tribute to Moe
If the best Players on the PGA Tour as well as the best ever golfer that being Tiger came to see Moe, enough said Amazeballs!
I’ve had the gift and pleasure of meeting and talking to mow when I was a teen and worked at a golf course. He was the best, and truly genuine.
Moe Norman's philosophy about golf is what made me the golfer i am today. My favorite quote of Moe is: "If you're going to miss it, miss it quick, because it all counts the same".
Can’t wait for the full documentary (I donated) and for a future movie! I wish the PGA would induct him into the hall of fame!! It would also be great to have a tournament remembering Moe every year where it may last two or three weeks...where anyone can enter regardless of income!
I have been in discussions with PGA and Hall of Fame. I doing think they will even though Bob Hope is a Hall of Fame Member...go figure.
@@ToddGravesGolf when is the documentary coming?
The cool thing about Moe was, he could make you smile and laugh, he really was something very special!
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I'm thrilled you guys are doing this!
Netflix should make a full length movie on Moe Norman
Waqar Ghulam 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼excellent comment thanks!
Netflix absolutely should.
I believe there was to be a movie 10 or so years ago called "Dance the Green". Not sure what happened to it but if there's already a script then Netflix should absolutely jump on it.
I so agree. Am amazed that someone so good, so different, and let's not forget, so mentally fragile, that a film hasn't been made about this amazing man.
How about setting up a petition for this movie idea and send it to Netflix. I hope that there are enough people around the globe who sign it so Netflix would start shooting.
22:56 - "I did it my way, and I'm NOT ashamed one bit" - Just awesome, what a great attitude!
Moe told the Hogan "straight balls are accidents" story differently . Moe said he told Hogan
"watch me have another accident"...lol
The best thing I have ever watched on TH-cam ...
Anyone from the eastern side of Ontario know who Moe is . Great job to all that put this together. Aaaasooooooaaaaah
Well Moe was simply the best golfer and I can't wait to see the movie 👍
LOL and the dude says it was the sort of Autism he had. Maybe he was just THE MAN.
@@GolfSidekick Matt I think he probably was Autistic but, he could hit the ball. Incredible accuracy. Kinda like you😂👍
@@GolfSidekick he probably was autistic, but that's not a bad thing at all...there are lots of people in history that had autism most likely (Thomas Edison for example)...but look what they left the world...I have an autistic cousin and besides being what some consider "weird" hes a phenom when it comes to painting and is a beautiful person...If anything having the label of autism is useful in helping others understand him as a person
I just love watching anything Moe! Best!
You use the same tee every time don't you?
Moe: it's 7 years old. 😂
If it was a wooden tee I don’t believe him! 😂 I guess it must have been plastic!
Will Still, seven years
Love this guy, absolute genius! Can't wait for the movie. I'm a 4 handicapper but going nowhere, started the single plain method 1 month ago and already seeing results, it takes some getting used to but feels so much easier, thanks moe!
@@robertnunn2093 OK thanks very much for the reply, I have noticed that for shorter clubs and pitching and Chipping it works brilliantly but the top end of the bag feels a little harder ro get used to, I guess that's why bryson went one length?? What would you say are the main differences between moe and bryson? Setup obviously but anything more?? Thanks again
@@robertnunn2093 thanks very much for getting back to me again, the set up ideas make sense, the more upright move you get from being closer to the ball defiantly generates more leverage, still loving it with 6 iron down and kind of using a hybrid swing for the longer stuff! The principles of it seem to help the feelings in a more conventional swing as well so I'm definitely going to stick with it! Thanks again for your input.
Cheers
James
@@robertnunn2093 In 10 years or less Bryson will be a forgotten man. Moe will live on for the next 100 years or more!
Congratulations, Todd! This is outstanding filmmaking!!!
If he could have stayed on the PGA tour in the late fifties, early sixties he would have caned them - at some stage. They bullied him and ostracized him to the point where he had to quit. But, look now, his fame increases every year - the peoples champ. Some golfers get forgotten. But Moe's simplistic approach to crunching the ball every single time will forever be remembered!
Everything you said is exactly TRUE ..... Moe enjoyed playing with George Knudson I think they were similar in thinking processes.....possibly they were both autistic to some degree....both loved hitting balls and both sort of disliked putting......yup
Nice job. One of my favorite stories was he was hitting balls with Hogan I think. Hitting at the 250 marker. Driver I think. It was foggy so they couldn't see them land. He hit three. They walk up and two balls are touching and the thirds a couple feet away. Great story.
Such a great ending. Rest in peace Moe. Nice knowing ya
Love reading and seeing things about Moe Norman. Actually fascinating.
Until 5 months ago, I didn't even know who Moe Norman was. My brother and I had already developed a single plane swing coincidentally on our own. I was trying to find other people similar to us on TH-cam, and found out about Todd Graves and Moe Norman. I now think of Moe as a legend on par with Nicklaus, Palmer, or Tiger.
Moe Norman and Ted Williams, two of the most interesting people I have ever conversed with. Passion came through in their conversations and Moe was really witty. Watching Moe hit balls, you could tell he knew how to get the club on the ball. The sound at impact focused your attention on that nanosecond.
Oh man, I'd do anything to meet Ted Williams... another guy with another worldly understanding of how to swing and hit a ball (a baseball obviously)...special guy
@@MrMark945 Despite his reputation of being a hot head ( when he was young), I knew as an aging man. And what came through in those years was a man who was very proud of his country and liked to see other be a proud of their country. He thoroughly enjoyed each day of retirement, at least when he was on the river fishing. At his late age he still showed a lot of emotion and I could make him spin on a dime with the right comment. I never asked him about baseball nor did I ask him for an autograph. I didn't feel it was the right thing to do. He did talk baseball once when he raised it. I used to see him for about four or five weekends every fall as he fished the Cains River in New Brunswick. After the salmon season closed he would winter in Florida.
I will be first in line to see this. I have his autograph which I cherish. Today he would have been a hero, think John Daly as opposed to the automatons playiing on tour. On the other hand some teacher (snead) would have seen him today with videos and totally ruined him.
Hey Todd, hope all is well. I watched Moe hit balls when I was playing in the 2001 Canadian PGA outside Toronto. A disclaimer......he was older than his prime, but still hit the ball fairly well. Slight draw. Spoke with him afterwards. Obviously eccentric, but polite. The thing I remember most was his hands. Almost as if he was a bricklayer his entire life.
Hey Curtis. How are you? Nice to hear from you. MOE was very strong!
It is truly sad, in our society, how people like Moe are treated. Thanks Todd for all the very interesting video of a truly insightful man that also was a genius and amazing golfer. People could learn a lot from Moe, and not just about golf.
Thank you for making this documentary.
🙂 Thank you Moe Norman
Kelly Murray should have been consulting on this Documentary , Coached by Moe for many years I’d say he knew Moe as good as anyone! It would be truly an honor to be in the presence of this man thru his golf years.
We interviewed Kelly. I know him well.
This is great! Look forward to it.
Excellent....thank you!
Before my time, just really learning about Moe. I regret not being able to see him hit a golf ball!
I replicated moes swing one day and it didn't take long .I don't know if it's exactly the same but I have to say when my normal swing fails I start using the moe way and it's so easy.im surprised more people don't start using this swing it's so much more natural to square tye face to the ball moe way
moe's swing always reminded me of a hockey slapshot and he must of played hockey being from canada. his swing looks so simple like that. very awesome.
i can recall putting a similar comment about Hogan (to a degree) and Trevino, to my eye all three seem to be sweeping the ball away, with a 'hockey slap' look a few inches before and slightly after the strike. i think if someone, anyone who started to hit balls for a long time from a young age as Moe did, (without orthodox tuition) would come up with a sweeping action, as if by contrast, they started hitting sharply down on the ball they would get nowhere.
Eh.
Steve Perry Journey misses you :) Moe clearly stated in another video on YT that he pulls the club down , so no hockey slapshot action going on in his swing.
Love it! Eager to watch and own it if possible.
OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!
Thank you very much ! He is so inspiring
Very well done. Thank you thank you. I'm applying Moe's swing and everyone says it's so radical and difficult. I'm finding it very simple and am quick to see results. Results like in one swing. It's hard to believe, but I think this man was a for real genius. Like I say, I've just taken up this swing but I don't see myself going back.
It's interesting being on the range and hearing the pros tell their students constantly what they're doing wrong. You think that'll change in 30 years? It never worked for me after 45 years. With Moe, I'm finding simplicity but most of all consistency. I think I'm an oddity on the range, but I'm guessing most marvel at the consistency.
For my money, this is the swing that should be taught to 95% or more of golfers.
Michael. Thank you for your note. Yes, you have found Moe Norman and now you won't be able to look at the conventional golf swing the same way ever again. The conventional golf swing is too difficult. Moe figured it out. Genius. Keep up the good work. We should have the documentary ready for the Toronto Film Festival next spring....stay tuned.
I made the switch when I found Moe, then got some of the cobra single length irons. I’ve been playing for 30 years since I was 5 and have never enjoyed the game so much as I have in the past 8 months. I have my 10 year old daughter working Moe’s direction and she plays very well and best of all, has a blast
@@ToddGravesGolf Hey Todd, thanks for responding to my comment. I've been watching a number of your videos and have left other comments. I especially loved your talk up in Canada at what appeared a golf convention. A wonderful talk about Moe and his swing. So easy to see your respect for the great Moe Norman.
@@Natedoc808 Nate, I'm still relatively new with Moe's swing. Do you find yourself still learning, or are you pretty much locked in?
I'm already beginning to feel like "I've got it", and I'll see as I take it from the range to the course. I'm pretty excited because for once I'm feeling that I'm owning my swing, and that's a great thing.
Michael Crosby I’m pretty locked in at this point, particularly once I changed my pre-swing routine for better alignment. Now it’s just a matter of execution however my game has gotten so much more consistent by pairing proper equipment to fit my single plane swing, far fewer miss-hits. Now it’s a matter of conquering the two hardest parts for me: more time to play, better course management/fewer beers! Lol
The last line is so telling of what it takes to be great. "I did it my way. And I'm not ashamed one bit." - Moe Norman
If more people lived this way...if I lived this way all the time, this world would be so different, so much better.
Great Demo Todd. I will be donating to the production of the full film. If for some reason it doesn't make it into theaters, PLEASE release in on DVD or digital format etc... Thanks.
Thank you.
The best ball striker that ever played the game. It's a shame the networks dont mention him.
He said when he got nervous before a tourney,he would go back to his car and count his cash winnings which was around 6 thousand at the time.😎
Thank you for posting this!
I’d love to sit down with Todd and chat about my time with Moe and how it shaped my life. Matt Kane is my name and I approve this documentary 💯❤️
I think if a few circumstances were slightly different, everyone today would be swinging like Moe.
This is amazing. Thank you.
Good story, wish I was able to have heard about him when he was alive.
WOW. Good stuff!
People shouldn't confuse greatest "ball striker" with greatest player that EVER lived. Ken Venturi played with and idolized Ben Hogan. And if he said Moe Norman was the greatest ball striker he ever saw then that's good enough for me.
I know both Hogan and Moe's swing mechanics. IMO, I would take Hogan's swing because it's a bit more powerful, maybe 20 yds. with driver for example. To me it also feels better. Hogan's fade and ball bounce was very close to being straight. Amateur opinion is the straight ball is so much better. I think this is absolutely false for several reasons but w/o going into an essay here, let me just repeat the difference was very small.
That said, one can modify Moe's setup a bit and things will feel better although of course, there was nothing accidental in Moe's setup...however, I think the advantages are overemphasized. The main thing is the downswing engine/mechanics.
Both swings are very accessible to anyone who is not a newbie. The swing mechanics knowledge is critical and makes all the difference, but dedication to hitting a lot of balls is mandatory to get "programmed". For example, if I switch to left handed swinging all the knowledge is virtually impotent as I'm not ambidextrous.
I know a lot of people are searching for what Moe really did and I can tell everyone right here in a few sentences but it wouldn't be respected. So I
present the problem simply: it's not the set up or the one plane swing that makes all the difference. It's how to maintain lag into and and thru impact.
If you go to the top of the swing and try different things going down you can discover for yourself how easy almost everything leads to casting. Just try in very slow motion and the tendency of the club to start releasing will be apparent. Your short cut is to find what the lower body needs to do...this has nothing to do with "genius" per se or incredible hand coordination as most suppose.
All this said, I have nothing but respect for Moe Noman's achievements. His swing model will probably live forever given the attention to his ability and achievements. That's quite an accomplishment because it's hard to (validly) innovate in golf.
@@davida.4933 David. Interesting assessment which I find somewhat factual. Regarding Moe's genius I would disagree the basis of your statement "Your Short cut is to find what the lower body needs to do...has nothing to do with genius". This is where Moe's swing mechanics are significantly different starting at address. His sidebend was substantially greater at address and his spatial relationship to the ball (at address) allowed a completely different lower body movement to and through impact. The two things alone, while possibly intuitive, are genius if not from the results he produced (achieving impact more consistently) but also from a biomechanical perspective.
@@davida.4933 Great points David A. I believe you are suggesting that there is more than one way to swing the golf club and get good results. And you prefer Hogan's way. Nothing wrong with that. Btw, If we look at players like Jim Furyk and Lee Trevino; those two swings alone prove that no one swing is mandatory to successful ball striking. However, every swing MUST ( no matter Standard or Natural ) have good posture, proper weight shift, head down at impact with proper release through the ball and a well balanced finish is the ultimate goal; using any swing necessary.
Simple physics, greatest move in golf. I spent majority of my life learning bullshit gold swing. Spent one year working on Moe and not turning back. Striping balls. Not hitting 800 balls a day. Made more progress in two years than I ever did learning traditional golf swing. It’s simple physics. If you are a weekend golfer, you should be learning the easiest way to hit a golf ball.
I can hit a golf ball good but when I loose my swing I go to Moes swing and it never fails.im about to just keep using it
Amen
Amazing! The legend
Brilliant ! Jesus won’t make fun of you Moe, he’ll love to have a round with you, R.I.P. mate,
Moe Norman amazing
Dozens of course records and shooting 59 is not "pathetic" and "a joke'. The pros couldn't handle Moe because he hit the ball more pure and straighter than they could ever imagine.
I remember somebody saying 'Oh that pro has a homemade swing.'
Well I think everybody has a homemade swing. Only those swing robots don't have homemade swings.
Wow great story, should be a movie for sure. Imagine if he would have stayed on the PGA with support what he could have done...
www.thefeelingofgreatness.com
Great Moements!
It doesn't need to be pretty kids. Just exceptionally consistent 👍
"Every man’s heart one day beats its final beat. His lungs breathe their final breath. And if what that man did in his life makes the blood pulse through the body of others and makes them believe deeper in something larger than life then his essence, his spirit, will be immortalized." - Jim "Warrior" Helwig
That was very good.
Thank you @toddgraves for sharing Moe’s secret with us 🙏
top 3 all time: alongside Hogan and Trevino.....LEGEND
Heh?
What about Nicklaus and Woods? I think they may have more majors. LMAO
maybe Hogan, Trevino, every PGA major championship winner, ever PGA tour winner, top tier LPGA players and then Moe.
Moe would be winning pga tour events today if he was young. The tour would treat him better now. On the longest courses, maybe not. But on some of the shorter courses, no problem. Alot of people who have played this game for awhile will tell you that hitting a ball straight is the key to scoring day in and day out.
@@robertjones6880 Moe would have ZERO CHANCE....He never won a big tournament in his own day. The only tournaments he won were up in Canada which was considered a mini tour back then, and on the senior canadian tour which had even less competition. He played in the Masters twice and missed the cut both times. He played in more than 10 pga events and did not win, or come close to winning. Moe was amazing on the driving range, and hit the ball straight and short, had an average short game, and was a poor putter.
Jesus christ...drivers off the deck 230 yards, perfectly accurate...AND it not a technologically advanced driver...imagine what he could have done with an m6 in his hands
The truth about hitting a ball straight: keep it simple. Keep it simple and swing how “your body” feels natural. Forget trying to mimic the TV teachers. They’re not interested in you curing you doing their swing...think about it. Find your way and then practice.
Good advice
Thank you very much fore this documentary. I was waiting for more about more. He is so inspiring. What about a real film? I heard a long time (7or 8 years) ago a film should have camped out... untitled « Dane the greens » seem to me?
Accolades coming now from the PGA and pros I find a little rich. They were the same ones who made sure Moe never got to play with them because they didn't think he was sophisticated enough. Moe doesn't need your praise and support any longer. He needed it while he was here. I, for one, will never forget the cruel and shabby way he was treated.
You said it. The attitude of those pros can be seen at any golf course, any day of the week. Moe was an expression of Truth in his chosen work...R.I.P. Moe !!
My mother recalls once being on the driving range of Hidden Lake in Burlington. Her words: This guy was next to me and I thought what is this? And it turned out to be Moe Norman. It’s years ago of course, but I can still recall the amazement. I think he said to someone..”do you want me to hit that post way in the distance? And he did..He also said that he could hit someone’s belly button.
I got Moe to autograph a scorecard at the range at Hidden Lake
is this film out yet I attended your school teaching Moes swing his story is over due to be told
Moe would of been better accepted in todays age. And imagine him with modern equipment
age s more accepted which means much more famous which seems he wouldn’t have liked. In the range golf course scenario I think he would have enjoyed it but in the other aspects I’m not sure. You know thinking as I’m writing it’s really hard to say. Sad I never got to see him hit balls. Know some ppl who have though. All say the sane thing just unreal
His name is Bryson Dechambeau
@@swisstrader not really, similar one plane swing. But that's about it
@@swisstrader bryson only wishes he was that good.
robert jones true. Just sad that Moe had mental issues. The guy was definitely on the spectrum.
If this still has not been finished you have to get Bryson DeChambeau to talk about Moe. He modeled his swing off the Young Moe footage you have on here . He has a Moe painting in his house and says its his idol . The longest driver on tour hits it like Moe in his prime . That has to get into this doco .
Good idea.
They dont make em like him no Moe.
This is Kobe's mindset applied to golf, UNBREAKABLE work ethic, unflappable attitude, and will indisputably always be one of the greatest ball strikers of all time.
When is the full version coming out?
I've been a Moe Norman student since the Golf Digest issue on Moe. His swing is unique to himself. Many have tried to teach and copy his swing but few have come close. I have taught myself a Moe-ish type of swing. Mad Props to those Like Todd Graves and others in Moe's small circle of friends to keep Moe's legacy alive.
Anyone can do Moe's setup, stance, grip, etc.The valid downswing knowledge is what has been missed, underemphasized, or poorly explained. None it is hard for anyone who has hit a lot of balls over the years. Very simple. There will never be a great ball striker who has a complex swing model. The problem is most things we try will be invalid. The enemy is invalid knowledge.
What a movie his story would be... How come it's never been made ???
Its in the works. Go to www.thefeelingofgreatness.com. Thanks.
@@ToddGravesGolf Thank you Tod ! His story will shake the golf world... And not long after, his golf swing will be the reference.
Its 7 years old..away..aaaah.aaaah