Hey thanks Bill for giving my lock a try. I learned a lot from making it and by watching you pick it. Great job. Also thanks for all the supportive comments from your subscribers. I am really impressed by how supportive the Locksport community is. I have already started work on my next creation. Thanks again.
That was one of the most entertaining picking videos I've seen in a long time! BB's genuine excitement when he realized the core turned was palpable. Great job by both!
So you don't have to cut the slot then plug it up, to make the key hole, fashion yourself a broach. For brass, it's trivial, you don't even need to harden it.
What if this channel's community were to design the "ultimate" lock and then have bill and various members of the lock picking sport community try to pick it? We could communicate and share design ideas on the development through reddit or discord or something like the member of the rLoop team did for their hyper loop contestant. Perhaps members of locking sport picking could be involved in the design process or use their feedback after their attempts to pick it to improve upon the design and make everything open source for everyone to build at home? Perhaps bill would be open to the idea of gathering the collective knowledge of building a custom lock obtained from this project and have an a educational section on the website dedicated to the process of designing locks?
Maybe you could improve the design by having 5 more pins on the other side, and thread the pin chambers and include some spools and serated pins. Have one pin at the front a standard pin and one pin on the other side at the back a standard pin to make the cylinder bind lobsided when there's a tension tool in one side.
This lock, with threaded holes and such would be a nightmare. It amazes me how someone who apparently JUST picked up locksport as a hobby has managed to make a better lock than every lock manufacturer simply out of boredom. Amazing what can be done when it isn't about cutting costs to increase profits :P
The difference is this one is custom handmade. Even if he banged it out in a day you're looking at a 800 dollar lock. Meanswhile the commercial locks you can buy are made primairily for the company to make a profit. This is by no means a slight towards the maker of this lock, it's point out the difference in what was the priority when the lock was made.
@@JCGver but thats the difference between mass production and single item costs for everything? As long as there is no 'un-mass-production-able parts' (ie some weird machining requirement that just us totally impractical to produce cost effectivily en masse) then there is no reason this lock couldn't be mass produced at a competitive/comparable prices.
Well if there’s a need for a high security lock that’s pickproof, electronic keys is the way to go. That way if a key is lost it’s access can be removed.
@@MrJR86 electric keys can be cloned super easily.... you just need the right equipment, and it doesn't even require you to be in physical contact with the original key. High security systems are much much more secure with traditional lock and key, or a iris scanner in combination with palm scan.
Wow! That's beauty lock. And some exemplary picking. I must admit to damn near spitting out my coffee when you tried to convince the pin it's "All safe out here" with a stabby pick. Thanks for adding a smile to my day.
That keyway is insane! So usually when somebody starts picking locks or even just watching lockpicking TH-cam and they realize how much of an illusion a lot of their "security" actually is, they start wanting locks like this that are incredibly tough to bypass, but what watching you pick this shows us is that you really don't want to go THIS far for anything but a challenge lock. Putting a lock like this on your house could be a real problem if you ever got locked out because GOOD LUCK finding a local locksmith who's actually prepared to take on a lock like this lol. The number of people willing AND able to take on a lock like this is probably very small compared to the number of people who can get you past your run-of-the-mill Kwikset or whatever.
Happy retirement Bill, I hope you and your family have a great life. Thanks for the enormous amount of information you shared with us, You won't be forgotten because we will always have these videos to see you in the future.
Cool lock. The reason why the lock didn't open initially with the key, is because of the issue with those springs in the chambers. A little lock-lube will do the trick. LOL
As a long time subscriber I want to wish you a happy retirement!! Your channel and your excellent content was my introduction to Lock Sport. cheers Bill, enjoy your family!!
Now, you say "imagine if he had put serrated holes and gone all out", but the fact you were able to pick it is good, just as much as the fact it took you three tries and over 5 minutes. With a lock, you do want it to be somewhat pickable in case you ever need a locksmith, but also be secure enough to make a burglar give up trying cause it's taking so long to pick. Is a great lock and would love to see it put to some use in the public maybe someday. Good job Dave.
This was a great episode. I really miss the challenge lock days, although I certainly understand why you stopped accepting them, considering how absolutely crazy folks were going on them. Awesome lock, great picking.
@@somejoe7777 what I am about to say is only what I remember of it. its been a whille and could be wrong. It was because it wasn't serving its function, was destroying locks, and ceased being fun for bill or us honestly. The idea of challenge picking was that it was to spur creative new challenges. That made it interesting to bill and the audience Challenge pickers stopped being creative though and stopped coming up with new alien tech, but instead started copying known methods that were very likely to damage and destroy picks (traps, particularly ones you couldn't reset. super heavy springs in really tight keyways (thus thin picks) and really low cut pins with high cuts behind them - lots of levering). It beat bill sure... its just it was stuff that amounted to picking them being a method of masochistic pick destruction and nothing interesting to watch for us or take part in for Bill. Its also stuff that could never have been used in real life because they would end up eating keys by the week. I think at its extreme, Bill went through like 3-4 picks on a single lock... It honestly got boring except when you got a good challenge lock maker (he had a regular who had farmer in his name, who made some cool stuff). That got reflected in views because they started getting low viewership as well.
@@somejoe7777 I was part of the reason for that. I submitted a lock that was impossible to pick (Handcuff3d) and then another with the same technology but with less bitting. Not to mention lockmakers using springs from lighters, etc. that almost required the key be hammered in and broke pick after pick. It would be nice if Bill accepted challenge locks again with some restrictions, like No trap pins Key must require no more than 3 lbs to insert/remove and open with minimal jiggling Must obey at least some sort of MACS Must have donated at least $50 to support LockLab Limit 1 lock / challenger / year Etc.
Imagine how obnoxious this lock would be if Dave had not only used a restricted keyway but made that restricted access free spinning. Trying to get some kind of tensioner down in that keyway while still needing to get a pick to function would be maddening. Great work, Dave!
Had to wonder about the implications of that pin number 4 with the squared end. The close up of the key at 8:31 is interesting. The dimple for 4 is fairly deep but not otherwise special. But, I see that the tip of the key is sloped and particularly sharp. (I also thought that hole for the 6 dimple was interesting, but I couldn't figure out if that was meaningful looking at the pin, 14:25. )
If you get some black felt it will look better on camera when putting all the pieces on top of it no reflection compared to the shiny black tray that you use you'll be able to focus better you be able to see the pins better FYI.
I just had a thought, spherical keyway, dimple lock, dimples are randomly placed around the keyway with only a colored notch on the key/keyway to say orientation
Your description of the luck, persistence, and skill required makes me think of some video games, where picking a lock has a chance of breaking lockpicks.
Can we take a moment to appreciate what happened here? Dave got into Lockport because of COVID. So sometime within the past year or so. He made a lock, probably utilizing lessons learned from watching Bill, and perhaps others, on TH-cam. The lock used fairly normal pinning techniques, admittedly done right, in concert with a keyway that reduced access to the pins. And the lock genuinely gave Bill, a top tier level picker, a run for his money. How many other "average" pickers would this lock have stumped? A great lock, a great picker, and a great video.
So much for no more challenge locks, which I'd definitely call this beautiful creation! Awesome lock, and congratulations for finally picking it open Bill. I'm sure it would still be in my vice unopened 😁
Nice job Bill. You did that without having the looked at he key. This lock is never being picked in the wild. This needs to go to LPL with under the condition he doesn't look at the key. Other than the titanium key this one is a winner. Imagine losing your keys? Call the glass man cuz you're going thru the window. Ps. Nice machine work. But points off for the zinc screw
Hi Bill, very professional video as usual, also Dave has got a ton of machining skills :p Thank you for loading your vids with that amount of educational content, keep up the good work! p.s I have just started my locksport hobby kind of thing, I like to gut and repin them a lot and that set would come in really handy
This is a good thing, people are becoming smarter compared to companies that use the same thing despite pickable, hopefully companies use these techniques or the people who made their own locks start a company and protect people
Beautifully designed and made lock. Congratulations to Dave for making it and Bill for picking it. I am not a lock picker, just a retired engineer, butt ... Bill, you say, quite rightly, that the bitting (high, low, high, low) is exactly as you would design a lock, but would this be practical in a mass produced lock? Wouldn't it restrict the possible combinations and thereby give the picker a reduced range of options making picking easier in some ways. Almost as if they had seen the key prior to making the attempt.
What the heck, so DaveB down there has made a lock to alleviate boredom during COVID and it is BETTER than the guys that have been doing it for years? Just comes to show...anyway...
That damn lock picking lawyer keeps on taking about you, and this is not good..... Or, I mean, it's a great video, but I will be awake watching your videos for the rest of....... Thanks for a great video. And send a big thank you to the guy (?) who made the lock you picked. If he makes it drill safe, he has a lot of buyers in Sweden 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Assa would be like an Ericsson cellphone, written about it of Vikings on rocks. 😉 Stay safe 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
you verify if it titanium by if you got a rock or cement slab you could strike the key and follower tool like a match and see if you get log lived sparks that can set fire to your house or lawn. just make sure you have plenty of water ready to put out the fire.
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Hey thanks Bill for giving my lock a try. I learned a lot from making it and by watching you pick it. Great job. Also thanks for all the supportive comments from your subscribers. I am really impressed by how supportive the Locksport community is. I have already started work on my next creation. Thanks again.
That was one of the most entertaining picking videos I've seen in a long time! BB's genuine excitement when he realized the core turned was palpable. Great job by both!
So you don't have to cut the slot then plug it up, to make the key hole, fashion yourself a broach. For brass, it's trivial, you don't even need to harden it.
Great Job!! Can't wait for the next creation.
What if this channel's community were to design the "ultimate" lock and then have bill and various members of the lock picking sport community try to pick it? We could communicate and share design ideas on the development through reddit or discord or something like the member of the rLoop team did for their hyper loop contestant. Perhaps members of locking sport picking could be involved in the design process or use their feedback after their attempts to pick it to improve upon the design and make everything open source for everyone to build at home? Perhaps bill would be open to the idea of gathering the collective knowledge of building a custom lock obtained from this project and have an a educational section on the website dedicated to the process of designing locks?
Maybe you could improve the design by having 5 more pins on the other side, and thread the pin chambers and include some spools and serated pins. Have one pin at the front a standard pin and one pin on the other side at the back a standard pin to make the cylinder bind lobsided when there's a tension tool in one side.
This lock, with threaded holes and such would be a nightmare. It amazes me how someone who apparently JUST picked up locksport as a hobby has managed to make a better lock than every lock manufacturer simply out of boredom. Amazing what can be done when it isn't about cutting costs to increase profits :P
The difference is this one is custom handmade. Even if he banged it out in a day you're looking at a 800 dollar lock. Meanswhile the commercial locks you can buy are made primairily for the company to make a profit.
This is by no means a slight towards the maker of this lock, it's point out the difference in what was the priority when the lock was made.
@@JCGver but thats the difference between mass production and single item costs for everything?
As long as there is no 'un-mass-production-able parts' (ie some weird machining requirement that just us totally impractical to produce cost effectivily en masse) then there is no reason this lock couldn't be mass produced at a competitive/comparable prices.
Well if there’s a need for a high security lock that’s pickproof, electronic keys is the way to go. That way if a key is lost it’s access can be removed.
@@MrJR86 how naive from you. Just search for deviant ollam on youtube and his talks on pentesting
@@MrJR86 electric keys can be cloned super easily.... you just need the right equipment, and it doesn't even require you to be in physical contact with the original key. High security systems are much much more secure with traditional lock and key, or a iris scanner in combination with palm scan.
Bill's reaction when he uncovered the key, if only for a microsecond was it going through his mind, 'Surely there can't be only one pin?'
Haha "What the hel---...."
I can already see this as a prank on LPL. Just send it over saying it's a pretty simple lock. The reaction would be priceless.
I wanna see it happen 🤣
Thanks Bill for the nice work all the time. We will certainly miss you. I wish you all the best for your retirement.
Wow! That's beauty lock. And some exemplary picking. I must admit to damn near spitting out my coffee when you tried to convince the pin it's "All safe out here" with a stabby pick. Thanks for adding a smile to my day.
The dental pick and being “safe” are both references to the torture scene in the move “Marathon Man”. th-cam.com/video/avNraWT8CSI/w-d-xo.html
@@CandyGramForMongo_ Hence my spit take, and laughter. It's *never* safe!
@@alger8181 One of my favs as well. Sorry to be the joke-killer. Lol!
@@CandyGramForMongo_ No worries! Someone out there probably needed a hint, and now they can laugh, too.
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I apreciate it. The only thing i thought about it was "hmm maybe a dental pick is useful" lol
Thanks
Dave did an incredible job making this lock and pinning it up. Great job getting it open Bill.
That showed some skills by both the lock maker and the lock picker.
Beautifully made this lock, and its design is a stroke of genius. It WAS surprising Bill managed to pick it!
Next up: Bill and Lockpicking Lawyer make a tool to more easily open this bad boy
the pick bosnianbill and i made: t w o
That keyway is insane!
So usually when somebody starts picking locks or even just watching lockpicking TH-cam and they realize how much of an illusion a lot of their "security" actually is, they start wanting locks like this that are incredibly tough to bypass, but what watching you pick this shows us is that you really don't want to go THIS far for anything but a challenge lock. Putting a lock like this on your house could be a real problem if you ever got locked out because GOOD LUCK finding a local locksmith who's actually prepared to take on a lock like this lol. The number of people willing AND able to take on a lock like this is probably very small compared to the number of people who can get you past your run-of-the-mill Kwikset or whatever.
Just drill the core with a carbide drill bit
I've already missed The Challenge locks, this was another good one.
yeah, i miss them too. Its an adventure to see the craziness inside the really wild ones
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Miss them too!
So nice to see someone take something apart with such attention to detail.
Happy retirement Bill, I hope you and your family have a great life. Thanks for the enormous amount of information you shared with us, You won't be forgotten because we will always have these videos to see you in the future.
Nice picking on that beautiful homemade lock! Enjoy hearing the excitement in your voice when you get an open!
Great workmanship on that lock. Very skilled guy. He gave you grief in picking and to your pick.
Happy retirement Bill!! Thanks for sharing all your knowledge!
Cool lock. The reason why the lock didn't open initially with the key, is because of the issue with those springs in the chambers. A little lock-lube will do the trick. LOL
Thank you for the years of content.
OMG first time I ever noticed that callous on Bill's middle finger... a man who is deeply dedicated to his craft!
Nice bit of engineering there. Good anti-pick design. Imagine if it had 5 more pins on the other side!
Thanks for the memories Bill. All the best to you and your family.
Congrats, on the pick, thankfully it did not end up in the naughty bucket.
P.S. Very clean machining, the man deserves some credit for that.
This lock and key are piece of art. Very Nice.
Discolouration on fingers indicates a loooong 3 attempts🤯
Very cool lock by Dave👌
As a long time subscriber I want to wish you a happy retirement!! Your channel and your excellent content was my introduction to Lock Sport. cheers Bill, enjoy your family!!
Putting patience and skill to the test! Good show Bull.
Now, you say "imagine if he had put serrated holes and gone all out", but the fact you were able to pick it is good, just as much as the fact it took you three tries and over 5 minutes. With a lock, you do want it to be somewhat pickable in case you ever need a locksmith, but also be secure enough to make a burglar give up trying cause it's taking so long to pick.
Is a great lock and would love to see it put to some use in the public maybe someday. Good job Dave.
Beautiful craftsmanship and great job picking!
This was a great episode. I really miss the challenge lock days, although I certainly understand why you stopped accepting them, considering how absolutely crazy folks were going on them. Awesome lock, great picking.
I know he stopped accepting challenge locks a while back, but I never heard or read why. What was the issue?
@@somejoe7777 what I am about to say is only what I remember of it. its been a whille and could be wrong.
It was because it wasn't serving its function, was destroying locks, and ceased being fun for bill or us honestly. The idea of challenge picking was that it was to spur creative new challenges. That made it interesting to bill and the audience
Challenge pickers stopped being creative though and stopped coming up with new alien tech, but instead started copying known methods that were very likely to damage and destroy picks (traps, particularly ones you couldn't reset. super heavy springs in really tight keyways (thus thin picks) and really low cut pins with high cuts behind them - lots of levering). It beat bill sure... its just it was stuff that amounted to picking them being a method of masochistic pick destruction and nothing interesting to watch for us or take part in for Bill. Its also stuff that could never have been used in real life because they would end up eating keys by the week.
I think at its extreme, Bill went through like 3-4 picks on a single lock...
It honestly got boring except when you got a good challenge lock maker (he had a regular who had farmer in his name, who made some cool stuff). That got reflected in views because they started getting low viewership as well.
@@doomking5174 Yeah, that's pretty much what I remember too.
@@doomking5174 Thanks! I can see where that sequence of events deviates from the original purpose.
@@somejoe7777 I was part of the reason for that. I submitted a lock that was impossible to pick (Handcuff3d) and then another with the same technology but with less bitting. Not to mention lockmakers using springs from lighters, etc. that almost required the key be hammered in and broke pick after pick.
It would be nice if Bill accepted challenge locks again with some restrictions, like
No trap pins
Key must require no more than 3 lbs to insert/remove and open with minimal jiggling
Must obey at least some sort of MACS
Must have donated at least $50 to support LockLab
Limit 1 lock / challenger / year
Etc.
Thank you Dave and Bill!
Wow that is one truly awesome lock, & an epic battle to get it open. Great work, great video & have a great weekend.
Thanks for everything, enjoy your family/retirement
I like how excited you were Bill, thanks for the video.
Got to admit I laughed when you unsheathed the key, saw a single hole in the key and said "what the hell".
Unfortunate that youtube would show this as the top comment, it's an exceptional spoiler. Unreal..
@@Mattzusinas
youtube algorithm can't decide if something is a spoiler or not.
I miss you Bill. Wish you’d still make videos. I used to love watching you.
This is just incredible , well done Dave and great presentation.
The lock did its job, that's all we can ask.
Well done Bill on the open. Well done Dave on building this lock.
4:14 “I'm looking for any kind of feedback on the tensioner, and I've got _nothing...”_
You are amazing,in your patience,slow departure of the locks mechanism. I really appreciate and enjoy watching-your videos...👍👊💙💙
My favorite kind of videos
Very Nice! Classic Bosnianbill Paclock worthy!
Love the locking picking videos between you and LPL!
I like the challenge this lock gave you...well done.
Imagine how obnoxious this lock would be if Dave had not only used a restricted keyway but made that restricted access free spinning. Trying to get some kind of tensioner down in that keyway while still needing to get a pick to function would be maddening. Great work, Dave!
Had to wonder about the implications of that pin number 4 with the squared end. The close up of the key at 8:31 is interesting. The dimple for 4 is fairly deep but not otherwise special. But, I see that the tip of the key is sloped and particularly sharp. (I also thought that hole for the 6 dimple was interesting, but I couldn't figure out if that was meaningful looking at the pin, 14:25. )
Bravo to both Dave AND yourself! Hell of a lock he made, that looked like a tough one. Lol, you were clearly pumped about getting that open 💪😉👍
That 'Entranceway' is BOSS! Now, to the 'Entryway' . . . . Really Fun lol NICE Design!
What a great lock very interesting! Great video and giveaway thanks Bill!
You are the Bob Ross of lock picking.
Awesome job picking that lock. 🔐
Nice job building the lock as well Dave. Glad to see this.
If you get some black felt it will look better on camera when putting all the pieces on top of it no reflection compared to the shiny black tray that you use you'll be able to focus better you be able to see the pins better FYI.
I just had a thought, spherical keyway, dimple lock, dimples are randomly placed around the keyway with only a colored notch on the key/keyway to say orientation
Sounds almost like a Gerda Tytan lock to me..
Absolutely astonishing lock, damn impressive work and picking skills.
Beautiful machining!
Dave's got to be loving this.!
Your description of the luck, persistence, and skill required makes me think of some video games, where picking a lock has a chance of breaking lockpicks.
So pretty- every modern architecture house needs a lock like this. There is money in this designe
Well done to both you and Dave. Good times!
Awesome build and engineering
This is by far more interesting than watching the LPL picking weak locks in seconds
7:38 Gimme muh pick back, darn it! LOL
What a fantastic lock! Great job Dave
bill i think when you overset number 3 that's what caused the the pin to jam.
Can we take a moment to appreciate what happened here? Dave got into Lockport because of COVID. So sometime within the past year or so. He made a lock, probably utilizing lessons learned from watching Bill, and perhaps others, on TH-cam. The lock used fairly normal pinning techniques, admittedly done right, in concert with a keyway that reduced access to the pins. And the lock genuinely gave Bill, a top tier level picker, a run for his money. How many other "average" pickers would this lock have stumped?
A great lock, a great picker, and a great video.
Wow that lock was super cool. Hard picking for sure. Way to go picking and disassembly Bill 👍
I could feel Bill sweating on that, nice one Dave
Happy retirement Bill!
Very interessing design !!
He can produce just a plug and its key!! Very clever.
Well done! Very cool lock!
Good build. Good picked 👍
You definitely got me into this
Awesome job, Dave. Much respect!
@Dave B - quite the sexy looking lock. Would go well with "Atom Punk" and maybe a scifi group. Hope to see the lock in a movie somewhere.
So much for no more challenge locks, which I'd definitely call this beautiful creation! Awesome lock, and congratulations for finally picking it open Bill. I'm sure it would still be in my vice unopened 😁
Outstanding video! Thanks!
That design + PiP would be deadly! Nice job Dave!
PiP?
@@Beerdude26 Pin-in-Pin
Nice job Bill. You did that without having the looked at he key. This lock is never being picked in the wild. This needs to go to LPL with under the condition he doesn't look at the key.
Other than the titanium key this one is a winner.
Imagine losing your keys? Call the glass man cuz you're going thru the window.
Ps. Nice machine work. But points off for the zinc screw
Hi Bill, very professional video as usual, also Dave has got a ton of machining skills :p
Thank you for loading your vids with that amount of educational content, keep up the good work!
p.s I have just started my locksport hobby kind of thing, I like to gut and repin them a lot and that set would come in really handy
I like how he covered the key so you couldn't preconceive a notion of how to pick it.
Dave, you are in the wrong line of work or the right one, nicely done!
Nice lock Dave!
Helluva good job Dave
Oh yeah, great job for Bill too.
Great job Dave!
Awesome lock and pick!
Very interesting lock thanks for sharing dude
Great work Bill! Keep up the good stuff, and what a cool lock!!!
This is a good thing, people are becoming smarter compared to companies that use the same thing despite pickable, hopefully companies use these techniques or the people who made their own locks start a company and protect people
Beautifully designed and made lock. Congratulations to Dave for making it and Bill for picking it.
I am not a lock picker, just a retired engineer, butt ...
Bill, you say, quite rightly, that the bitting (high, low, high, low) is exactly as you would design a lock, but would this be practical in a mass produced lock? Wouldn't it restrict the possible combinations and thereby give the picker a reduced range of options making picking easier in some ways. Almost as if they had seen the key prior to making the attempt.
Idea for holiday/break video: pick break compilation.
That sounds fun!
If it was challenging for BB... a regular thief or locksmith isn’t opening that. Good job on that lock. Take my money!
Great job like all ways
That is one nice homemade lock 👍
Great video Bill and congratulations to Dave for making a very pick resistant lock. Could this be the rebirth of the challenge lock?
Cant beleive I wasnt subbed considering how long ive followed LPL< but was not dissapointed!
What a lock!, thriller picking Bill!, please don't send it to me🤣😉. I wish! 🙏
What the heck, so DaveB down there has made a lock to alleviate boredom during COVID and it is BETTER than the guys that have been doing it for years? Just comes to show...anyway...
Imagine this thing with some traps implemented, all of that just to have it lock solid. Awesome design 👍
I'd love to have a lock like that!
That damn lock picking lawyer keeps on taking about you, and this is not good..... Or, I mean, it's a great video, but I will be awake watching your videos for the rest of.......
Thanks for a great video.
And send a big thank you to the guy (?) who made the lock you picked. If he makes it drill safe, he has a lot of buyers in Sweden 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Assa would be like an Ericsson cellphone, written about it of Vikings on rocks. 😉
Stay safe 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
you verify if it titanium by if you got a rock or cement slab you could strike the key and follower tool like a match and see if you get log lived sparks that can set fire to your house or lawn.
just make sure you have plenty of water ready to put out the fire.