(1421) Whipped: The Liar's Trap
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- Yep, whipped again by the Liar's trap! Getting whipped more often lately - you guys making locks have REALLY upped your game, compared to the locks we were seeing just a year or so ago. Your lock making skills are improving almost daily. These trap locks are really, really hard to beat unless you know the bitting beforehand. This one had 4 traps, and I must have fallen into ALL of them at some point during the picking. With trap locks, LUCK plays just as big a part as skill, as you stumble along trying to find the right "combination".
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Bosnianbill i am glad to see my lock finally make it up here :) and i am sorry if you got frustrated with it. That was not my intention. i have a long way to go in modifying locks to operate cleaner. In the future i hope to send you some locks with different modifications. I have learned alot about locks thanks to you and your channel. Keep up the good work and i look forward to seeing more.
I laugh at myself, staring at a keyway for 20 minutes, in total suspense ! LOL! We either don’t have a life, or we are all a unique breed. Loved it !
yay finally get to see my lock :D
Better call a lawyer?
That was definitely a tough one my friend I apologise for the lateness of the lock I'm sending you will be sending you soon👍😊👍😊😎👌
On a whipped roll lately Bill.😁 Those undercut relief traps worked really well.🍺😎
Yeah, picking of of them open is more a function of luck than skill. With 4 trap pins & 3 positions on each, the number of combinations is 64. When you factor in the additional two pins with 2 positions each, the number of possible combinations is way up there. You'd eventually get it, but it would take more than 30 minutes...
@@bosnianbill surely a tough one with those odds. Atleast you gave it a good crack but the stars didn't align today. :)
@@bosnianbill I kind of think it's time to not allow trap / false trap pin locks anymore for challenges. You have been whipped by every single one that you tried to pick, and they are trivial for lockmakers to make.
The locks are evolving a resistance to picking just like bacteria evolve resistance to antibiotics. The new "false trap" feature makes for a good lock but an impossible challenge.
@@thorlancaster5641 I'm starting to agree with you, but for a different reason: Everyone is getting tired of seeing the same old thing, over and over. The first time we saw this type of trap it was cool and innovative. After that, it became a copycat design as some guys saw an easy way to get a paclock. Maybe it is time I started filtering out these type of locks... Opinions?
@@bosnianbill I agree, the innovative lock designs should be about discovering new ways how to make locks safe. And if you are unable to get around undercut traps, then until you manage to find your way around them there is no challenge in making locks with such design. It is like sending levered lock to someone who does not have the tools/knowledge to pick them. It would be more interesting to see other ways how to secure locks against lock pickers.
You knew that thing was wicked with all the slop in that core side to side, and even some fore and aft! Valiant attempt Bill, thanks as always for the video, and all the work that goes into them!
6:40 Always sucks when you get denied access to the rear, isn't it, Bill...😉
Lair? I see LIAR on the paper.
it is Liar lol
Excellent core,Awesome pins, great try Mr. Bill
WOW!
Some real cheeky work there on that lock. Lots of sneaky traps.
What about light tension and a good raking? If it doesn't open then start spp. If it still doesn't open move back to raking.
Alucard? No wonder you couldn't open it-you have needed a wooden stake and some very bad-ass vampire hunting skills to open it 😎
The Liar’s trap, not The Lair’s 😂 15:38 for reference
Soon your "naughty bucket" will be filled with tricked out, zoomed up, super locks Bill!
Personally? I think you should ALWAYS pick clockwise. Amti clockwise nullifies the pick (IMHO)
I prefer to pick a lock as if theyre set within a door foe example.
You cant open a door by picking a lock anti clockwise unless its a padlock onother similaur.
Certaibly no euro lock anyway.
Just wanted to throw that thought t you Bill.
Like your videos but raking and bypass videos are my favorite.
Zwei... Drei... Vier... 😮😊
Wonder if you could have reverse picked that one, push all pins to the top (overset) and rake them back down. If the front pins rake down last, you might get lucky.
bmitch3020 - Great idea, I would like to see that tried. Might be difficult to rake down, judging by the pin variances, but you never know. Like you said, you might get lucky.
Brutal
I had a nice tough Bill Bacardi challenge lock similar to that one. #30, I believe it was.
I think traps are the only way to deal with lock pickers, I am surprised they are not widely used on commercial locks
Happy new year everyone!
Good show. It had me suspended like Hitchcock's movies.
Bill is counting in german. Haha. Man u r great. Happy new year from germany.
I was completely surprised as well! But compared to most other Americans he has almost no accent at all!
Yoo Loo I've heard him speak a bit of German before, his accent is very slight, sounds more German than American. Impressive!😉
I think he was a few years in germany with army or airforce. And also cause he traveled much over the last years. Thats how he learned so well.
Jerbil Konai You guys ever see the video where he explained how he got his nickname? In the Balkans, stationed there, he was the only one who spoke with the Bosnians, so he got called BosnianBill. So he obviously have been learning some European languages, makes sense that his pronunciation is pretty good.😉
I must have mssedthat video. Thx for the info. So he was an ISAF member in the late 90s
Wow that is nasty
Some day I'll get around to making a challenge lock. Thin-waisted spools and undercuts/cross cuts. 4 pins done right, and I really question if such a lock would be physically possible to pick. Would love to have the time to so it right and have both you and LPL try them. Also another stupid simple idea floating around that I shan't share. Ah, some day.
Hey Bill I have a question for you, I'm an amateur picker, I've been practicing and learning with you as my main guide/ source of information, I want to learn more about key types, thinking about buying some blanks and trying to make replacement keys. For example does a yale lock us a schlage key? I don't know.
Can you make a video about this or possibly suggest a book on the subject?
Thanks for any help or direction.
Ray, there are THOUSANDS of key profiles, so making a comprehensive video is not possible. If you want to learn more about keys, check out the free download section of the website and grab the Key ID guides. You can find it here: locklab.com/resources/downloads/
Hey Bill, is it possible to counter-clockwise, for a deep false set, then use one of your spinners to flip it over, and do the rest clock-wise? Seems like some parts of the lock were easier counter-clockwise, but you ended up with 2-3 pins just alternating dropping down at the end, there. Might have worked better with those last pins clockwise?
Ever use a rake like a single pin pick? Sometimes I bitch pick them with a rake and get lucky. Great attempt Bill
So annoying but a good fight !
nice traps
thank you :)
i thought you stopped accepting those kind of locks . its not a challenge lock its literally unpickable
Wolfhound this lock is definitely pickable, and if you fall into a trap you can get out of it by resetting. Knowing how the lock is designed, I am willing to bet Bill would get in on the first try. Overset the key pins and rake them down would be my first attack knowing the design now.
To qualify as a valid challenge lock for Bill the lock must open with the key and you have to be able to get out of traps.
The problem when it came up was keys being cut so deep they went into the bow of the key so it was impossible to get to the pin without oversetting the previous pin. This design was determined to be ok but discouraged because its not original, anyone could do it and it will stifle innovation.
@@rileyfenley522 When trap pins set, the first click that you feel is the trap pin setting. You would have to intentionally overset the pin to get it to set at the non-trap shear line, and in the process you would probably some other trap pins (which would still feel set).
Bill would stand a better chance against a n-disc Abloy than an n-pin trap lock.
I believe the difference between this lock and the one that made Bill suggest the "no trap locks" was the fact that this lock was infinitely resettable, whereas the annoying lock was designed such that getting caught in a trap prevented continuation of the challenge.
not certain if he is referencing it but whenever I hear the name alucard all i can think of is the anime hellsing ultimate
When you talk about a pin giving counter rotation... is that an indication you are on the correct pin or is it a bad thing? Sorry if it’s a dumb question I am new to this.
Love the videos 👍
It is a GOOD thing, and here's a video showing why: th-cam.com/video/d3H2rK-3FaQ/w-d-xo.html
I cant't be the only one noticing the German counting at 16:52...
Backwards his name is 0010dracula. Castlevania fan?
Oh yea
dont see this to often
I’m really not sure what I think of challenge locks these days... I mean, realistically who would be walking up to that lock and open it in 30 minutes. You’d have to get lottery lucky. Most other channels don’t even show a challenge lock until they’ve picked it a few times. Maybe whipped is an unfair title...
Bill, do have a PO BOX? I've got some interesting things I'd like to send you.
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Ucof, you beat me to it! 😋
That was impossible to pick, too many traps inside.
how many pinning trays do you own?
Allan S I've seen 6-7 so far, I think he gives ones away regularly too, so... a lot?😂
Let's hope these don't come in threes. It's not lack in training or in tools. I'll doubt LPL would have faired better.
I would like to see how LPL fares against this lock
How come you didn't verify that the key works with the springs in?
Any commercial locks using this technology?
That lock was impossible to open cw because there was a block on the tail pice.. You wasted 27 of your 30 minuters picking the wrong way.
I just got a Knox box 4400 would u be interested in attempting it?
I appreciate the offer but already have one living in my naughty bucket. It has a really evil 6-pin Medeco in it.
Ok no problem is there anyway you can tell me what the top lock is for I only have the key for the bottom lock and it opens the box so I’m not sure what the top lock does?
Raking it looks harder now u can't pick it the the normal way
Your hands are mighty shaky, Slick. You might want to try decaf. 😉
Exactly HOW were those slashers done? (U.K.)
I used a dremel with a cutoff wheel
@@alucard0100 . Thanks
@@alucard0100 , another great trick is to use rotary dental tools in a Dremel. Makes for really deep cuts & very sharp edges. Many dental offices have to throw them away if their package is damaged or past the expiration date. 😉
@@bertiepimplebum5633 you're welcome. :)
@@doublejaylar having a flex extension helps a lot. Because it's like holding a pen rather than a large tool
A lot of slop in the core in the body.
Can you trade locks?
Matt, I generally just give away all the locks that flow through the LockLab and don't really have anything to trade. The only locks I keep are the ones haven't figured out how to pick and they live in my naughty bucket.
is it spelled Liar or Lair?
I think it's rail 😎
Liar is the way I had it spelled
I almost thumbs down this. only because there was no suspense in the gutting. (Is he going to mess up or not). Great job. 👍
You can’t win against that. I don’t like it!
Seems unfair to me. Sorry.