Don't Screw Up Your Car Build. Ep 2 | Coilovers

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
  • Shop Aftermarket Coilovers HERE! - shorturl.at/jLNW3
    Choosing the right coilovers for your car can leave you doing weeks of research. In today's video, we bring you our top 3 coilover brands for your build. Save the research for later, we got you.
    #Cars #coilovers
    Time Stamps
    0:00 Intro
    1:06 Maxpeeding Rods
    2:29 BC Racing
    5:32 Fortune Auto
    6:30 Coilover Components
    8:18 Outro
    Let us know in the comment's down below what you want to see next!
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  • @MartiniWorksOfficial
    @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Mod your car with your friends right here at MartiniWorks. Aftermarket Coilovers HERE! - shorturl.at/jLNW3
    PS. Got a question on suspension? Drop it below and we'll help you out

    • @ridwhaankhan9179
      @ridwhaankhan9179 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What about D2 Racing coilover
      I heard that these coilovers were like 2nd best just like the BC Racing coilovers 🤔

  • @blackstang7378
    @blackstang7378 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I originally watched Alex explain everything in the old fitment videos an he recommended bc racing coils and 2 years later I’m in love with them. Especially after I got to engine swap my car the quality still shows!

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Awesome to hear! If you ever need any future parts, mod your car at MartiniWorks :)

  • @AlexDiggs
    @AlexDiggs 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i bought function & form type 2 coilover for my ls430 back when you were at FI, your videos were always super helpful and perfect for people who dont know shit about cars lol🤙🏻

  • @theniceneighbor
    @theniceneighbor 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the video type that i could watch iver and over.

  • @victormaciasjr.1615
    @victormaciasjr.1615 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m looking at the HKS coil overs for my subie honestly. They are tight for the track and are comfortable for the daily great middle ground in my opinion.

  • @darrylbrooks851
    @darrylbrooks851 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i have skunk2, coilovers,for my delsol, i love them👍🏼

  • @CarMa321
    @CarMa321 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Watching you while I’m building my first daily driver!

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Keep it up man and hope to see you on the site when you're ready to mod!

    • @CarMa321
      @CarMa321 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MartiniWorksOfficial definitely!

  • @Hakiri27
    @Hakiri27 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bought a 05 sti and it came with ke v1s, they feel great but at that price i think i would lean more torwards a FA

  • @arefinlabib4630
    @arefinlabib4630 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Liking these vids!

  • @J_spec6
    @J_spec6 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Got some BC BRs on my daily driver Gita. Still need to put some work into properly dialing them in, but so far they've been great

    • @bigjdm5460
      @bigjdm5460 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What spring rates did you choose, and did the rates give you the ride u envisioned?

  • @chase276
    @chase276 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Day 4 asking for a how to modify a 4th gen prelude

    • @FreeRangeCassava
      @FreeRangeCassava 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Honestly I doubt the aftermarket support for preludes is enough to make a good build guide for them.

    • @iglidz
      @iglidz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Bodywork, bushings, quality coilovers and just send it until the H series blows up, rebuild with a B/K series

    • @TheDCfinestPLAYER
      @TheDCfinestPLAYER 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I stopped trying for the honda boyz mate , he don’t mess with us

    • @gilligan1350
      @gilligan1350 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just LS swap it 😂

    • @Earwigh
      @Earwigh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I been asking since they were fitment industries 💀 under 2 different accounts lol

  • @zenki_ls400
    @zenki_ls400 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    what is yalls take on Ceika suspension?
    So far from what ive seen they are comparable to other brands in the $1000 range but they offer some customization that others dont offer and they can cater your suspension to your car and what your trying to do with it like a daily driver you like to do some cutting with in Mexico or a drift car...

  • @PiroFyre
    @PiroFyre 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've dealt with bargin bin to cheap coilovers for a long LONG time on multiple cars. And most of those cars weren't even mine. Just people that have suspension issues and/or wanted to upgrade a bushing or replace the springs to something stiffer. Of course, you know how Wisconsin winter is and they will corrode the hell out of all these cheaper coilover systems. It's why for my current car, I went with KW V3s. Even when I replaced the springs on them, the bottom spring perch still managed to loosen up and spin freely without much of any corrosion issues. Now, I tell people to just spend the money instead of wasting so much money on the cheaper stuff because the cheaper stuff will be disappointing.

  • @PochGarage
    @PochGarage 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Got some BC ERs for the Z and I love the fact that you get both compression and rebound adjustments. Too good for the price

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's awesome! If you ever need anything else, let us know :) martiniworks.com/

  • @quocd5580
    @quocd5580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Needed a budget coilover for drifting my 240sx s13, it was maxspeeding rods (twintube) or JDMspeed (monotube) that are around $250. Got the JDMspeed (monotube, nonadjustable) for shits and giggles, definitely felt it was better than my 15yr old Powertrix (monotube, nonadjustable). The goal is to drift the 240 twice a year on a skid pad and maybe some light driving around the street (100 miles a yr). Rev9 was my other option for $530 that was monotube w/ adjustable.

    • @StanleyKubick1
      @StanleyKubick1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the maxpeeding stuff is underrated

  • @asianmanfromasia
    @asianmanfromasia 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve had maxpeeding rods on my EF civic for more than a year now. They’re bouncy and the rubber bushing on the top hat is already showing signs of cracking. I guess I can’t complain for less than $300 bucks, but I’d spend the extra cash on some Truharts if I’m going cheap

  • @paulhuthmann8824
    @paulhuthmann8824 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just went with zzp coilovers cuz they specifically work on cobalts so they have a ton of knowledge for installation and use

    • @paulhuthmann8824
      @paulhuthmann8824 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also they definitely handle very well especially compared to the stock lol

  • @atevalve
    @atevalve 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Funny thing, BC doesn't make coilovers for my platform *kind of*
    You can use mk1 Volkswagen rears and mk2/3 Volkswagen fronts, but that's buying 2 kits. Only TA Technix, MTS, and KW sell a complete kit

  • @CALEBMWOODS
    @CALEBMWOODS 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    FIRST. Also love your channel and has great advise for beginner car modders.

  • @jamescollins9716
    @jamescollins9716 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love my Fortune Autos on my RX8, worth every penny so far, torn on what to do with my E61 as its a daily I dont want to underspend and get garbage but I dont want to overspend as id rather pay for more track days for the RX8 lol Any suggestions?

  • @MexicanPoro
    @MexicanPoro หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a fiesta st owner, BC Racing only makes the BR series, but since Fortune auto are only like 3 hours away from me, I might go with them.

  • @struggle.R
    @struggle.R 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice type r

  • @DCU_
    @DCU_ หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about onlins road and track, would you say they're on par with the 510s or better?

  • @Jabin04
    @Jabin04 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    can you take a look at race comp engineering coilovers? I'm considering getting Superstreet 2 but superstreet R coilovers are also interesting for a track build

    • @VinRZ
      @VinRZ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is one of the better options that you can get. KWs have a solid background of motorsports competition and OEM equipment.

  • @anthonyaubain
    @anthonyaubain 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have koni with eibach springs stiffer an inch drop on my tl bought new top mounts for all 4 so all in was about $1000 and they are rebuildable not mad about my choice

    • @VinRZ
      @VinRZ หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great choice. These Taiwanese shocks suck

  • @prettyridesmedia
    @prettyridesmedia 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love my BC coilovers

  • @zaneelliott7538
    @zaneelliott7538 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What’s the perfect wheel and tire spec with no fender mods and keeping fenders liners for a 5th gen prelude?

  • @slimedev4920
    @slimedev4920 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    New series idea: How NOT to mess up your high school car build

    • @blackstang7378
      @blackstang7378 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yoo that’s not a bad idea lmao

  • @timscheuermann2554
    @timscheuermann2554 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    cant wait for my tein flex z's for my ep3.

  • @JoeyVilleneuve
    @JoeyVilleneuve 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thoughts on HSD coilovers?

  • @reececarpenter7426
    @reececarpenter7426 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Thoughts on tein?

    • @ernestoortiz9592
      @ernestoortiz9592 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      TEIN is a great coilover for the money. If you are on a budget with quality in mind. TEIN is it.

  • @keeganskates
    @keeganskates 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    on my first build. 08 matrix. perfect timing with this series. now i just need financial aid lmao

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's why we put Katapult on the site haha; easiest way to go!

  • @davelazaro846
    @davelazaro846 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where do Silvers coilovers (mini cooper s) rank compared to fortune auto?

  • @richreyes1214
    @richreyes1214 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Does Gels still recommend the Tein Street Advance Z? Its the only reputable brand coilover that I know of under 1k and even at that price point I’m really stretching my budget.
    *Edit: Flex Z not street advance

    • @B00sted_JT
      @B00sted_JT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Flex z are awesome. I have them on my gc8 sti. Ride like stock on the softest setting, incredibly stiff on the stiffest setting. Great for street and track use.

    • @bryanlarrea2867
      @bryanlarrea2867 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I concur that the flex z's are good for the price. I have a set on my ek hatch. The shocks are matched to the springs they are paired to. Damping adjustments are definitely noticeable too. They are good for normal every day driving and track days/auto cross. The car doesn't get unsettled with undulations on the road or the rumble strips/berms on the track.

  • @user-tt2zh4io9t
    @user-tt2zh4io9t 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am going to beat on maxspeeding coilovers.

  • @slaviccheekibreeki
    @slaviccheekibreeki 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5:24 looks like Nolan from Donut from behind

  • @ravenXO
    @ravenXO หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ive noticed that you only focus on shock absorbers and springs. Is there a reason? Theres so much more to suspension than that. Especially if you want an efficient system.

  • @Je11yb3aner
    @Je11yb3aner 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not sure if you’ve done it already but how to modify Porsche boxster would be nice, specifically the 99-04 models

  • @blakevalentine8810
    @blakevalentine8810 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Surprised Raceland, godspeed or Megan racing coilovers weren't mentioned

  • @jonwallace6697
    @jonwallace6697 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Opinion on ksport coilovers? I have an avalon and that's the best I could find 4 years ago

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We don't have enough experience to share with the world on this brand but aim to do a build with them to try them out. Stay subscribed and some content will come out shortly!

  • @jonathansanchez5208
    @jonathansanchez5208 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So I have a 07 g35 sedan and it has TruHart coilovers, would you recommend me to changing to something else if so what brand? I’m willing to spend up to $1,600

    • @Somber.Killer
      @Somber.Killer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just got the bc racing br coilovers for my daily g37. Happy with the ride quality so far.

  • @415slider
    @415slider 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i want to buy a 350z and start a drifting build but i have no knowledge at all but have some money to spend please make a playlist.

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We're on it, this is a kickass idea honestly! - Alex

  • @93octanecarclub26
    @93octanecarclub26 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Silvers coilovers?

  • @miatality
    @miatality 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is super helpful for making good choices on my car lol

  • @shawnmones8823
    @shawnmones8823 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    what recommendations do you have for that 700-800 price range?

    • @jaypalo
      @jaypalo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tein

  • @acaposta
    @acaposta 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    TruHart coilovers on my VA WRX after I ran TruHart damper/springs on my 02 Civic for 2 years. Daily. Adjustment matters. Expensive coilovers won’t trump knowledge.

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Always important to dial it in; totally agree. Problem is SO many people exclusively use price to determine a purchase. We know that price matters #1, but there are a few things where we don't think the price is worth the quality. For instance, Truhart is likely locked in for you after maximizing the fine adjustments, whereas a more robust coilover might just have the tolerances built in so you don't need to dial it in (even though you should)
      Kinda like a Mazda Miata on track vs. a brand new M2. The Miata can chase the M2 down if there's an experienced person behind the wheel in the same way the M2 could run a good lap because the car is just properly good from factory.
      Hard discussion, but totally agree!

  • @graydeanj
    @graydeanj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are there coilovers that will improve the ride quality and reduce NVH on a 2016 mini cooper JCW?

    • @VinRZ
      @VinRZ หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, it will be worse

  • @moistkookie7416
    @moistkookie7416 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just picked up some 510s a week ago! $3200 otd🤑🤑

  • @EE-fl1tw
    @EE-fl1tw 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im running Tein on my 2015 frs. They have adjustable damping and after a bit of adjustment the ride feels factory.

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We do love Tein and pretty much exclusively recommend them for entry level brand for people who are looking to maximize the ol' budget!

  • @migzahoy
    @migzahoy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    how about ST suspension, KW suspension, K sport? coilovers

    • @VinRZ
      @VinRZ หลายเดือนก่อน

      They won't advertise it. Because BC and FA have them by the testies. These goons can't stop selling us trash.

  • @just.a.simplejoe
    @just.a.simplejoe หลายเดือนก่อน

    BC, the basic Karen of car world.
    Alex always will sell these guys 😂

  • @maui3302
    @maui3302 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do a how to modify a Infiniti Q50 either 3.7l or 3.0t

  • @arkixx4750
    @arkixx4750 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    honestly from my experience Silver NA coilovers feel much better for daily driving compared to BC. Super bouncy on BC's

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We plan to cover Silver's in a future video. We've had great experience, and also not great experience which is a weird one. We've tried to figure out why there has been such inconsistency and will be chatting about it in another video!

    • @arkixx4750
      @arkixx4750 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MartiniWorksOfficial Ran them on my BRZ. Ride was pretty good on default spring rate. Much better than my friends g35 on BC's. Could also be difference chassis

  • @emmour9288
    @emmour9288 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But BC racing coilovers are fully re-buildable.... (ER)
    Apart from the oil that these brands use....
    Im told to go with the BC racing ER series for my Commodore... Yeah im from Australia.

  • @TheRealMrRoyal
    @TheRealMrRoyal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Would love for someone reputable to actually address $400-$1000 coilovers. Cot7 Maxpeedingrods, godspeed, Megan, rev9 tier 2, FnF type 1 etc. And if they are all made in the same place at least address that.

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      We do plan to. We just haven't had much feedback from the brands we've reached out to. Our goal is to ask them first, allow them to provide us the information, and if they don't, then we buy them and test them.
      I'd say for now subscribe, as we do have plans to do a HUGE review/comparison like this!

    • @TheRealMrRoyal
      @TheRealMrRoyal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MartiniWorksOfficial awesome, and I am of course. Need any info on godspeed on a speed3 or cot7's on H/A let me know lol.

  • @TheSuperWarrior64
    @TheSuperWarrior64 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    any opinions on feal coilovers?

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I run them on the Torque Motorsports GR86 and really like them. Feel very similar to my 500 Fortune Auto's - Alex

    • @TheSuperWarrior64
      @TheSuperWarrior64 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MartiniWorksOfficial Thanks!

  • @DavidRodriguez-qx7qc
    @DavidRodriguez-qx7qc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anyone heard of a brand called Megan supposedly it’s made from the same people that made bc just more affordable

  • @methodandmadness1
    @methodandmadness1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you think Tein is still good?

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, we typically say that Tein is our entry entry level brand that we recommend!
      martiniworks.com/products/suspension/coilovers?_brands=tein

  • @viking2679
    @viking2679 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bc racing aint got no saab coils :(

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fortune Auto does :)
      martiniworks.com/products/suspension/coilovers?_product_search=saab

  • @Carlos.Rivera
    @Carlos.Rivera 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about raceland?

  • @freddywiththek1908
    @freddywiththek1908 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Day 1 asking for how to mod a 3v mustang

  • @victorhilario7756
    @victorhilario7756 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tein coilovers

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Solid brand, we'll spend more time talking about this one in a week or so!

  • @AutodromoF1
    @AutodromoF1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    All those covers are flawed. Real performance coilovers don’t have adjustable bases. You adjust the height with the spring perch collar. Preload isn’t that important. Add some helper springs if the main spring is lose.

  • @danielpino7654
    @danielpino7654 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why does this feel like a bc commercial.?

  • @apex_gr
    @apex_gr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video.
    sub $1000 coilovers are sketch.
    sub $500 coilovers you're just asking for back pain.
    used coilovers almost always are blown. check the top hats for oil leaking.
    you can rebuild them, but new shocks cost anywhere from $400-600. might as well buy new.
    took me 3 days to get my ZN6 (BRZ) coilovers for my Scion FR-S from BC. I decided to try something new with digressive coils so we'll see how they ride. I won't have time to install til a week or so from now.

  • @Treaxvour
    @Treaxvour 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wrong. BC discontinued coilovers for 280zx s130. Can't get em.

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We can always call and ask to see if there's any stock hanging around! Shoot us a message?

  • @truche132
    @truche132 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ohlins?

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great brand, would recommend AST as well which is slightly more affordable. - martiniworks.com/products/suspension/coilovers

  • @Alex-vz2jz
    @Alex-vz2jz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Day 12 boys
    How to Modify a Kei Truck. . .

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We're on it

    • @Alex-vz2jz
      @Alex-vz2jz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MartiniWorksOfficial You mean it?
      I waited years on Fitment industry Yt Channel. but it never came to be.
      It was hinted so i stopped commenting 😭

  • @nrdslayer6942
    @nrdslayer6942 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How to modify a corolla👀

  • @anthonyaubain
    @anthonyaubain 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Audi rs5 2013-2015 4.2v8 era

  • @relaxgaming8872
    @relaxgaming8872 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m cheap and poor so I can’t afford suspensions that cost more then my car 😂

  • @bg7059
    @bg7059 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Silvers are better than BC racing.

  • @deadghost50ify
    @deadghost50ify หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cygnus performance Coilovers!!!
    Apexi coilovers!!!
    HKS Coil overs!!!
    Feal coilovers!!!!

  • @jesters08joker
    @jesters08joker 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How to modify a 6th gen Accord... 😂

  • @jcubfrmalaska
    @jcubfrmalaska 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    but im broke

  • @tabout7920
    @tabout7920 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Been running Godspeed coilovers for about 6 months now, they’ve worked great and only run you about $700

  • @DiegoGonzalez-ol4wo
    @DiegoGonzalez-ol4wo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At this point get bags if your spending that much money on coilovers

    • @lspeedsl320
      @lspeedsl320 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Depends on what you're looking for, not everyone wants to slam their car

  • @JonBonazza
    @JonBonazza หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dont let the youtubers fool you. BC Racing is junk

  • @VinRZ
    @VinRZ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dont buy any of these. They garbo. Stop selling us these garbage Martini

    • @MartiniWorksOfficial
      @MartiniWorksOfficial  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How is Fortune Auto Garbage exactly?

    • @VinRZ
      @VinRZ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MartiniWorksOfficial where do I start?
      1. Imported Taiwanese housing, so we have reduced suspension travel. (BC, feal, and Fortune are all guilty for this, they said their coilovers are designed for lowered ride height. But it's just another way of telling us their coilovers have less than OEM suspension travel -> trash)
      2. Rebound biased valving, so in order to get good low speed compression for the platforming we sacrificed a lot of rebound. More rebound = jacking down over bumps.
      3. Bad customer experience, it took them 3 months to build me a set of fa510. Some people still didn't get their ots coilovers from their 2023 Thanksgiving sales.
      4. High nitrogen precharge that will add harshness to the ride quality. It also increases the stiffness to the already existing spring rates
      Do you want me to continue?

    • @VinRZ
      @VinRZ หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MartiniWorksOfficial You have a GR86 right? Why don't you get some RCE SS-2 then do another video of coilovers? I promise you, the RCE's stuff will change your mind on selling these junks to us.