I actually think the implication on Jane getting to Valhalla was not because she died in an ordinary battle, but because she died in her battle against cancer. It's not a typical warriors battle, but a battle nevertheless and makes her a warrior as much as she was as Mighty Thor.
Yes, especially because they specifically went out of their way to show Lady Sif dying after the battle was over, and explaining that that wouldn't get her into Valhalla. Jane died after the battle was over, but she went into Valhalla. The remaining battle she was fighting was cancer!
I wasn't a fan of the kids having powers thing at the end, but then i heard Aaron say "my kids loved this part" and suddenly it's not so bad. Easy to forget the target audience when we've been enjoying the MCU since we were kids too.
not sure kids could grasp wtf Gor went through; also, why would you be producing for kids and show off Chris’s insane steroid ass 🍑 or feature a Zeus harem + orgy?
good way to think about it. Needs to apply to the whole movie. Remember this is Korg's version of what happened as he's telling the story to kids so everything is either embellished or a complete lie.
15:50 MEEKES WHITE BOARD HAS THE WHOLE PLOT OF THE MOVIE START TO FINISH DRAWN OUT, you can see Korg standing with the goats in the reaction shot as well as gor kneeling in the waters surrounding Eternity, and even A bit of Eternity’s head, among other things
For those wondering, it was the Bifrost that was the key, not Stormbreaker. It's just that Stormbreaker is now the thing that opens the Bifrost, and not Asgard
The hammer still has the worthy magic on it. I always assumed the little girl wielding stormbreaker at the end was because she wasn’t worthy of the hammer.
Everything with Gorr was serious. They just found a better way to work with Thor in the MCU since Ragnarok. Off course in some of the comics they have that serious/solemn/philosophical/noble feel to them, but I don't think that fits this iteration of the character anymore. Maybe they can try, but idk. Hard for me to see that.
@@crepperwlp yeah you’re definitely right, it doesn’t fit, and as a result the movie felt tonally weird. He doesn’t really work as a serious villain if the rest of the movie is a comedy imo. Also love and thunder just isn’t as funny as ragnarok which doesn’t help
@@seanie338 I think it works. He might not used to the fullest potential since the tone shifts, but he's a great villain and the resolution for Gorr specifically, feels better than in the comics imo.
This is actually one comment section that isn't a bunch of hate. Props to yall. I loved the film. Not as good as Ragnorak but still loved it. But gotta stop comparing it to other things. You judge a film of its own merits. That's it. Anywho, I may watch it again tonight.
I just wanna say I love the tone of your reviews. Like more than anything you're just happy to see new stuff in worlds/franchises you love. You will voice your critiques or things that you thought could have been better, but you're never overly negative about things. It's how I see new stuff in star wars or Marvel and so it's nice to watch you guys react to things in the same way.
50:27 left my headset at my desk and thought my house was burning down lol, that alarm came through the audio recording extremely well. Had me fooled and scared haha
@@mazi2646 Same. That was a shitty thing to keep in their edit. Also, their mic must be amazing, because so many times I'm listening to their videos and I think their environmental sounds are happening outside my home.
Adam Warlock has already been announced to be Will Poulter. He got REALLY jacked. Matthew McConaughey could be some type of businessman villain. Like Dario Agger or Norman Osborn.
I think he’d make a perfect Norman & Timothée Chalamet would make a great Harry. I believe Timothée practically grew up like Harry irl. I don’t think we should do Green Goblin again tho. No one will top Willem Dafoe. They should move on to Hobgoblin in a whodunnit detective mystery featuring the Netflix heroes & Kingsley having ties to Kingpin (leading into a Heroes for Hire gang war). I’d like to see more of the evil businessman/politician version of Norman that launches Siege on New Asgard & leads the DODC and the Dark Avengers throughout Dark Reign in the Iron Patriot armor.
I think, personally the biggest issue with the movie is that is full of potential that we never see fully fledge, if it was a full comedy or romance or serious it would be okay but we see all the elements done well or at least part of it but we don't get enough of any of them, so we see there was a great idea behind it but time runs out of all of them I think thats why this movie get so much "hate" if it was just a shitty movie people would move on, but seeing the elements that could work generates the anger of what could have been. In short they cramped to much into the movie had they focus on a single element whever it was the mighty thor or gor would have been better. Also that kid with eternity powers is a menace xD
Agreed. It went 8 different directions and would have been great if it stuck with any of them rather than changing. Mighty Thor and Valkyrie, 80s Metal Thor, Full in Gorr scariness killing gods, Thor fighting the gods, etc. I wanted way more of Mighty Thor dealing with her situation and Valykrie's crazy sad but always sidelined backstory.
It also frustrates me knowing that Taika directed and wrote the screenplay for Jojo Rabbit, and that was a perfect example of how to balance serious topics and comedy. He let the emotional scenes breathe instead of making everything a joke there.
My wife and my sister in law where hyped for this movie in the beginning but walked out of the theater and left me watching it alone because they didn't like the movie they said it was a waste of money and time but I loved it for me it was great not the best but it was worth what I paid and the time i spent watching it
19:42 The scroll on the lower right is listing all the people Thor has lost: "Mother, Father, Loki, Heimdall, Tony Stark, Natasha Romanoff" Jeez, between this and the memorial in Ms. Marvel it's no wonder Wanda snapped: Vision willingly sacrificed his life trying to save half the universe and not even the other Avengers, let alone the public, seem to give a shit that he even existed.
30:43 How did I never notice that Jane used a whip move? So Mjolnir now has lightning, hammer throw, shotgun spread, and whip style. 35:03 Honestly, self defense should be a required class in the Marvel universe. Things get crazy so fast.
25:20: I don't think those drawings are just drawn by the god butcherer, as he had a vision of eternity and the bifrost beforehand when he picked up the necrosword for the first time. What some forget is that the stormbreaker used to be a pre-existing MOLD, it existed long ago and was not made into a weapon recently, and it was said to be able to summon the bifrost and kill the gods. So normally the bifrost summoning would have been been done be Heimendall but since that bifrost bridge broke to eternity, storm breaker became the only thing that can take him there. Notice that the wall scriptures showed the bifrost mark, not stormbreaker exclusively.
19:15 When i was in theaters , i thought Russel Crowe was gonna say his line"Are you not entertained?!" from Gladiator as a reference 😆 missed opportunity tho 😅
I loved the black and white of them being on Gorrs planet its so good and I wish Christian Bale got some more screen time least for me idk what his plan fully was with capturing all the Asguard kids if he wanted to kill all the gods. Jane as Mighty Thor was badass loved her hope to see more of her one day if they can bring people from Vallhalla back
His plan was to lure Thor in to get Stormbreaker from him to open up the gate to eternity. The power of the bifrost was the key and Stormbreaker was the only source of bifrost left in the universe. The wish would have allowed Gorr to kill all gods at once without having to spend decades to kill them all manually.
In cut preproduction content, Gorr needed to sacrifice the kids through the bifrost to reach eternity. Marvel probably thought this idea was too gruesome, but left the kids in as merely bait.
I absolutely loved LOVED the kids with powers scene. I actually teared up and rewound to watch that exact scene again. Because imagining myself as a kid again and seeing this - it would've been EVERYTHING.
There's also a case to be made for Unreliable Narrator in that this is a story being retold by Korg to the children of Asgard... so I attribute a lot to exaggeration by Korg and personally imagine that the actual events with Gorr WERE a lot darker.
5:45 "Oh, you're a villian alright, just not a Super one." "Yeah? What's the difference?" "Presentation!" I can never not hear that dialogue when I hear that music.
I always love when they draw on established mythology for Thor's exploits in these films. In norse mythology Thor has a chariot pulled by magic goats which he can eat as many times as he wants, as long as he leaves the bones intact they'll be alive and ready to go when he wakes up the next morning. But because Thor is a dummy, one time he's sheltering in a cave from a blizzard and is feeling greedy, so he cracks open one of the bones to enjoy the juicy marrow, when he wakes up one of the goats has a lame foot.
@Blind Wave, 42:13 I haven't read Gorr story in the comics, but I know of it from friends and folks online, but I think what's being missed here is that Gorr was possessed by the Necro Sword. Once Jane destroyed it, Gorr was free. He was hurting and he was acting out of anger when he was kneeling before Eternity. Had he still been possessed by the Necro Sword, all gods would have died for sure, as that was his mission, but as he was himself, he had a moment to think, and as you said, Thor was able to reach him and find out what he really wanted, which was his daughter, for her to live a full life. I liked this story, a lot. I hope we get more Taika Waititi and Thor for many years to come. I think he and Chris are a perfect fit. I hope we get to see Jane Foster come back as Valkyrie too...which makes me wonder if King Valkyrie will finally go by her actual name, Brumhilda--Thor called her Val when Gorr stabbed her, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Rick is right sam raimi would've definitely been perfect for balancing the horror and comedic tone for this movie. Plus he's great at cgi and fight sequences coupled with beautiful imagery.
My favorite well one of my favorite scenes is when Thor says little to minimum damage and then right when he says it The shrine falls one of the best scenes in the movie
Honestly Jane IS worthy. Not because she wanted Mjolnir solely to heal herself, but to continue helping humanity. They said this in the movie! AND even though she was told that the transformations were actually killing her she STILL was willing to make that sacrifice to save innocent lives. If that isn’t being worthy of having the power of Thor than no one deserves that power. Also as the son of a mother who fought stage 3A breast cancer I can tell you that you have to have a truly strong will to beat cancer. Though I do really wish we had gotten more time with Gorr. Not only to get to know him better as a character but also as a true threat to ALL the gods. He’s not called The God Butcher just because he kills gods, in the comics he literally displays some of their bodies on meat hooks and chops some of them to pieces like raw meat. In one scene he kills a massive god and brings its heart (which is the size of a bull) back as a trophy. That said I actually do love this look as much as his look in the comics. He looks like a monk turned into a vengeful wraith. ALSO FUN FACT: The little girl who plays Gorr’s daughter Love is actually Chris Hemmsworth’s real life daughter India.
Generally I kind of felt this film was a bit all over the place. It was a fun couple of hours, and I understand it was apparently forced to be quite heavily edited down for run time purposes. Though in that case ai think some of the choices to keep certain dragged out moments in was the wrong choice. Like the goats were funny the first time then it was immediately too much 🤣 The jokes were dumb but I did properly laugh at a lot of them. I just felt it never really asked me to take any of it seriously, even the more potentially serious bits. And in a movie with child death and kidnap and terminal cancer there definitely could have been some. Couple of moments with Thor and Jane I got the seriousness of just about, but not enough to fully get me emotional. I do kind of feel like there was 3 or 4 potential separate films that I might have been invested in more in isolation but they were all crammed together. Certainly didn't hate it, didn't LOVE it but. Hey ho 🤣
Wow this is basically exactly how I feel. It needed to either flesh some more parts out by allowing to be longer or needed to cut down on the axe/hammer jokes. And for a character called Gor the god Butcher, we don’t see enough of him. Either the whole god capital scene should’ve been cut or it should’ve been some longer sequence of either the aftermath of gor having been there or him being there as they arrive or showing up while they’re there. It did a lot, and it did a lot of really cool things, but in trying so hard to be cool, fit in characters and flip between love story, comedy, horror, action… it never really found it’s footing and feels like another unremarkable entry into a very forgettable phase 4 of marvel.
I don't think it was forced to be heavily edited. From what I read, this was Taika's choice as they trusted him and gave him full reign of this movie after the success of Ragnorak. He's even gone on record saying that a director's cut from him wouldn't be that much longer. It's also been exaggerated about how much was cut. Many people probably read about how there's a 4-hour cut of the film, but that's the assembly cut. That's not a releasable version of a movie. It's a far cry from a finished, cohesive product and nearly always has to go through significant edits unless you have a filmmaker that does in-camera editing like Spielberg. In reality, we're maybe are missing 20-30 minutes of usable footage? I think that would have helped with Gor's and Sif's stories, but we'd still have problems that you mentioned with pacing and tone. I think Taika was just a victim of his own success, and someone else needed to reel him in. They needed to let the serious moments take full effect instead of inserting jokes everywhere. It's interesting that he's self-aware of this though. In the same interview where he commented about director's cuts, he says that "directors need to be controlled sometimes". 🕵♀
@@ImAlsoMerobiba that's fair i only heard bits here and there about it being made to go under 2 hours or be cut down but either way different choices could have brrn made even if so. I don't know exactly what's true. Agree i think sometimes people find something that works in one project then lean too heavily on it in another project
@@JeM130177 yeah and even what I said may not be 100% accurate. It's based on Taika's interviews but he's joking around a bit in those too, so who knows. Either way, I think we all wish it was better than it was 😥
Another thing about the comic book connection is that the events in the Gor series essentially created the situation that allowed Jane to become The Mighty Thor. I don't remember what the context of the statement, but Nick Fury whispers into Thor's ear that, "Gor was right." which makes Thor lose faith and he drops Mjolnir. This is when the hammer finds its way to Jane in her time of need during her battle with cancer.
Fun fact: the Necro Sword welded by Goor is actually part of Knull the first Symbiote..Knull is actually responsible for Nowhere the giant celestial head the Collector lives in from Guardians of the Galaxy. The Ebony Blade also comes from Knull as well as symbiotes like Venom..so it's all connected
I feel like this movie deserved more of Christian bales gorr. in the comics he’s a serious problem so I feel like they kind of cut him short. He supposed to be the god butcher not that God kidnapper. I wasnt really a fan of the kids either taking thors powers. I mean it is cool to see Thor can learn his dads Tricks but I don’t know I feel like it was kind of wacky. The damn goats got on my nerves. I want to do more serious home like some in between the first Thor and then Ragnarok because of the seriousness of gorr. This is almost a thanos level villian it took three Thors to beat him.
2 Thors beat him in this one. Gorr did kill lots of gods. He kidnapped the kids to lure Thor there so he could steal Stormbreaker. Its a comic book , its not supposed to be "serious" all the time. The goats were hilarious every time they were on screen
@@yankeesrule587 I’m not saying it has to be serious all the time I just idk I wish it was more serious just on his parts. We didn’t see him kill a lot of gods though.
This movie has the same problem of SupermanVBatman. They mashed together 2 or more storylines that should have 1 or 2 movies on their own. So neither of them got the needed development. We could have more Gor being a menace and god butchering and more Jane being a hero and strugling between taking her time to heal the cancer or taking the hammer to help people.
Rick said it well. The movie had a lot of moments I love but I'd love them in another movie. A darker Gorr movie on its own would have been so cool. Christian Bale was really great I thought. Would have loved to see more of him and his storyline. Also even though I enjoy Taikas style and humour outside of Marvel and really enjoyed Thor Ragnarok... The movie was five things in one held together by silly humour and it only worked kind of. If you watch the behind the scenes stuff it looks like maybe they were having so much fun they got lost in the sauce. 😄 I can find joy in all Marvel content because I love the characters and the interconnectedness. Some movies I have to try harder to enjoy - this was one of em. 😋
With you on every point here. I love Taika’s work, and certainly his comedy, but this just didn’t land how it could have… But then the Gorr scenes were so excellently done that it made me want to see Taika do a properly dark Gorr film with Bale, no comedy at all. I’d be really interested to see his skills as a filmmaker and scriptwriter sans his humour.
I always think of that one Rick and Morty scene where they crash into the small planet in a very similar way and it makes me crack up. Also, imo, obvious reference to the boys with the laser eye rabbit. Much like butcher with the baby in the hospital in season 1
Welcome to the jungle intensifies. I immediately think of burnout paradise. Ah a man of culture. Also at the end... Thor has a winebego with wings aka eagle 1 from spaceballs.
Jane didn't die in battle, nor even die from wounds suffered in battle, nor was she Asgardian. Yet she ends up in Valhalla. And made her cancer/death completely insignificant. How freaking stupid. Is Vision in Valhalla, too? Worst Thor movie ever, all due to Taika Waititi's ~many~ poor choices. What a fall from grace in the MCU.
The weird thing in this movie is the change meeks sex, in Ragnarok Korg called it a 'he' and they said Korgs race were all males even though he spoke about 'his mum and her boyfriend' in Ragnarok. I have no problem with meek being female and Korgs race being a same sex race but why didn't they just do that from beginning instead of changing between movies.
Mom and dad could be a decided role for the two parents. Also, maybe it's some cultural divide that doesn't translate so well, thusly we get the description we've had at times. Idk. Just random thoughts I had about that.
His mum could be an adoptive mom, maybe something happened to his dads when he was little. Korg could also have just been mistaken on Miek at first, he isnt the brightest rock in the canyon.
Stormbreaker is legend it seems. In Infinity War, when its being created Etri says that its said that its possible that Stormbreaker can summon the bifrost. Just because it was just created, doesnt mean its not already legend. Why would Etri have a mold of it?
Yesss, I played that so much on the PS3 back in the day. And the music playing as it cuts to Norway (Tønsberg/New Asgard) just made me lose my mind as a Norwegian 💀
Christian Bale's Gor was the best part of this movie. There was a better darker movie just sitting there waiting but they kept piling too much cheese on it.
Yeah, they chose two very dark storylines from the comics (Gorr being the god butcher and Jane having cancer) but they didn't treat them with enough respect (ok, Jane was actually pretty well done and probably one of the best parts of the movie) and made the movie into an unfunny joke. Some parts here are absolutely excellent, but they get overshadowed by the annoying jokes.
I really believe that we're supposed to realize early on that the story is being told from Korg's perspective and he's not the most reliable storyteller when it comes to the details. He's also telling the story to children as part of the narration, so it's going to be embellished and have his personality stamped firmly upon it from the start. It makes perfect sense that he would have Thor riding Stormbreaker like a witch's broom, especially after his reaction to Thor's description of how he flew using Mjolnir in Ragnarok. "You rode a hammer?"
I like the movie, love the goats and kids with powers in the end, I don't have any problems with Axl CGI (I think it's actually stupid to say it looks bad, I mean, the kid who's not that great with his powers as Heimdall won't get the same effect as Heimdall, obviously it will look bad; Thor's Helmet, however, looks totally terrible, much much worse than She-Hulk) but the scene with Sif is in my opinion terrible and it has way too much comedy in it. Actually I felt like it was another scene from the theater play with Matt Damon from this movie. The only thing I hated as much as this from Phase 4 are those 3 episodes of Ms. Marvel in Pakistan. Luckily, Sif is still alive so maybe she will be better in future movies. I wish there would be more place in this movie for Gorr. Not because I love the character from the comics, but I love Christian Bale as an actor and this movie did not use him well (although all scenes with him were obviously great). Even though I like the humour of this movie, I'd still wish this one was more serious
I just can’t believe they turned a really serious storyline into a kids movie. Sometimes i wish i never read comics so i could just go in blind like the other casuals. I’d probably enjoy it more if i was a fan that doesn’t know shit.
My problem with this movie was the tone and the fact that they tried to fit so much into this movie. It's like it didn't know what it wanted to be and got to many genres going at the same time which at times can work but to me it felt a bit messy. The non stop jokes and repeating them just wasn't for me. I wish we could have gotten a movie that was more balanced, being serious and funny. This movie to me might be the worst of this new phase.
No, even the romance was overwhelmed by the childish comedy. There's a little decent action, a little horror, a little romance and way too much "humor," most of which was more likely to cause eye rolls than laughter.
Roy kent!!! Roy Kent!!! He's here, he's there, He's every freaking where!!! Roy kent!!! Roy Kent!!! He's here, he's there, He's every freaking where!!! IYKYK 😉😂
I really enjoyed this one more than I thought I was gonna tbh. Life is love, horror, sadness and everything in between and doesn't stay in one tone like most films do, it especially feels more real when they mix tones instead of staying in one tone like a lot of so called serious cbm do that come off more fantasy for trying to stay in one gear the entire film.
The feeling I got from this is, Ghor was wasted in this movie, it really needed a more serious movie. He was great in every scene he was in, but the movie really undersold him as a menace, and oversold Thor as a baphoon.
4:56 he's not riding it backwards. Witches have always flown broomsticks with the brush side forward. Only in modern culture have they turned the broom around, so they are the ones riding it backwards and Thor is actually doing it right.
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I actually think the implication on Jane getting to Valhalla was not because she died in an ordinary battle, but because she died in her battle against cancer. It's not a typical warriors battle, but a battle nevertheless and makes her a warrior as much as she was as Mighty Thor.
THAT is fucking beautiful
@Hesh Hesherson I mean not everyone else is an Asgardian. Jane wasn't born one, she was an adopted one.
YES! I've been saying that since I came out of the theater and people always look at me like I'm an idiot.
lol. no.
Yes, especially because they specifically went out of their way to show Lady Sif dying after the battle was over, and explaining that that wouldn't get her into Valhalla. Jane died after the battle was over, but she went into Valhalla. The remaining battle she was fighting was cancer!
The zoom in on Aaron taking his jacket off like he was timing it with Thor about to be naked 🤣🤣🤣 gotta flex those arms
No one is complaining 😍
He is like "I must be ready for next scene" 😂
The slow progression of every Blind Wave guy becoming a jacked MMA dude
I wasn't a fan of the kids having powers thing at the end, but then i heard Aaron say "my kids loved this part" and suddenly it's not so bad. Easy to forget the target audience when we've been enjoying the MCU since we were kids too.
Love and Thunder is the most the MCU has ever embraced being explicitly “for kids,” and I kinda admire it for that.
@@ThePonderer honestly it’s good to have only 1 kids type movie per phase.
not sure kids could grasp wtf Gor went through; also, why would you be producing for kids and show off Chris’s insane steroid ass 🍑 or feature a Zeus harem + orgy?
damn your so right i hated that part then i read this and i agree with you.
good way to think about it. Needs to apply to the whole movie. Remember this is Korg's version of what happened as he's telling the story to kids so everything is either embellished or a complete lie.
15:50 MEEKES WHITE BOARD HAS THE WHOLE PLOT OF THE MOVIE START TO FINISH DRAWN OUT, you can see Korg standing with the goats in the reaction shot as well as gor kneeling in the waters surrounding Eternity, and even A bit of Eternity’s head, among other things
HOLY SHIT I never noticed that. Super cool detail
MEEKES an kang variant 🤣
You didn't know that?
For those wondering, it was the Bifrost that was the key, not Stormbreaker. It's just that Stormbreaker is now the thing that opens the Bifrost, and not Asgard
Yeah, seemed pretty clear in the film, idk what happened lol
They can be slow at times
The hammer still has the worthy magic on it. I always assumed the little girl wielding stormbreaker at the end was because she wasn’t worthy of the hammer.
Plus Thor can make enchaments now, he can change it later for the little kid if he want's to.
@@anouar3194 Technically has the Odinforce if they ever have a scene that mentions it actually included in the movie. They've cut one like 3 times.
@@Souledex If Thor had the Odinforce then the events of this movie should've been much much easier. Did the writers actually want to make this movie?
While Christian bales performance was great, this version of gorr could’ve been so much better in a more serious movie, he was so cool in the comics
He had a lot more cool scenes according to christian bale. They were cut
Everything with Gorr was serious.
They just found a better way to work with Thor in the MCU since Ragnarok.
Off course in some of the comics they have that serious/solemn/philosophical/noble feel to them, but I don't think that fits this iteration of the character anymore.
Maybe they can try, but idk. Hard for me to see that.
@@crepperwlp yeah you’re definitely right, it doesn’t fit, and as a result the movie felt tonally weird. He doesn’t really work as a serious villain if the rest of the movie is a comedy imo. Also love and thunder just isn’t as funny as ragnarok which doesn’t help
@@ItsMeBarnaby “Ragnarok managed to have serious moments feel serious”
Korg makes a jokes as Asgard explodes.
@@seanie338 I think it works. He might not used to the fullest potential since the tone shifts, but he's a great villain and the resolution for Gorr specifically, feels better than in the comics imo.
I wonder if Heimdall was just there to welcome Jane Foster, or if he's literally stuck doing the same darn job in Valhalla.
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I need to see someone draw fan art of Rick cramming things into the airport X-ray while a security guard watches with an angry face.
I laughed a little too hard at that
This is actually one comment section that isn't a bunch of hate. Props to yall.
I loved the film. Not as good as Ragnorak but still loved it. But gotta stop comparing it to other things. You judge a film of its own merits. That's it. Anywho, I may watch it again tonight.
The funniest back-of-scene stuff... has to be the whiteboard that tells the entire movie's plot in all it's blue glory
I just wanna say I love the tone of your reviews. Like more than anything you're just happy to see new stuff in worlds/franchises you love. You will voice your critiques or things that you thought could have been better, but you're never overly negative about things.
It's how I see new stuff in star wars or Marvel and so it's nice to watch you guys react to things in the same way.
50:27 left my headset at my desk and thought my house was burning down lol, that alarm came through the audio recording extremely well.
Had me fooled and scared haha
My heart was pounding like crazy.
@@mazi2646 Same. That was a shitty thing to keep in their edit. Also, their mic must be amazing, because so many times I'm listening to their videos and I think their environmental sounds are happening outside my home.
Adam Warlock has already been announced to be Will Poulter. He got REALLY jacked. Matthew McConaughey could be some type of businessman villain. Like Dario Agger or Norman Osborn.
I think he’d make a perfect Norman & Timothée Chalamet would make a great Harry. I believe Timothée practically grew up like Harry irl. I don’t think we should do Green Goblin again tho. No one will top Willem Dafoe.
They should move on to Hobgoblin in a whodunnit detective mystery featuring the Netflix heroes & Kingsley having ties to Kingpin (leading into a Heroes for Hire gang war).
I’d like to see more of the evil businessman/politician version of Norman that launches Siege on New Asgard & leads the DODC and the Dark Avengers throughout Dark Reign in the Iron Patriot armor.
I think, personally the biggest issue with the movie is that is full of potential that we never see fully fledge, if it was a full comedy or romance or serious it would be okay but we see all the elements done well or at least part of it but we don't get enough of any of them, so we see there was a great idea behind it but time runs out of all of them
I think thats why this movie get so much "hate" if it was just a shitty movie people would move on, but seeing the elements that could work generates the anger of what could have been.
In short they cramped to much into the movie had they focus on a single element whever it was the mighty thor or gor would have been better.
Also that kid with eternity powers is a menace xD
it gets there then changes thats seems to be the case with it
Agreed. It went 8 different directions and would have been great if it stuck with any of them rather than changing. Mighty Thor and Valkyrie, 80s Metal Thor, Full in Gorr scariness killing gods, Thor fighting the gods, etc.
I wanted way more of Mighty Thor dealing with her situation and Valykrie's crazy sad but always sidelined backstory.
I think the fact that director was directing like two other movies apart from this at the same time really harmed the vision.
eh, it's not perfect, but people definitely over hating it
It also frustrates me knowing that Taika directed and wrote the screenplay for Jojo Rabbit, and that was a perfect example of how to balance serious topics and comedy. He let the emotional scenes breathe instead of making everything a joke there.
My wife and my sister in law where hyped for this movie in the beginning but walked out of the theater and left me watching it alone because they didn't like the movie they said it was a waste of money and time but I loved it for me it was great not the best but it was worth what I paid and the time i spent watching it
19:42 The scroll on the lower right is listing all the people Thor has lost: "Mother, Father, Loki, Heimdall, Tony Stark, Natasha Romanoff"
Jeez, between this and the memorial in Ms. Marvel it's no wonder Wanda snapped: Vision willingly sacrificed his life trying to save half the universe and not even the other Avengers, let alone the public, seem to give a shit that he even existed.
30:43 How did I never notice that Jane used a whip move? So Mjolnir now has lightning, hammer throw, shotgun spread, and whip style.
35:03 Honestly, self defense should be a required class in the Marvel universe. Things get crazy so fast.
25:20:
I don't think those drawings are just drawn by the god butcherer, as he had a vision of eternity and the bifrost beforehand when he picked up the necrosword for the first time.
What some forget is that the stormbreaker used to be a pre-existing MOLD, it existed long ago and was not made into a weapon recently, and it was said to be able to summon the bifrost and kill the gods.
So normally the bifrost summoning would have been been done be Heimendall but since that bifrost bridge broke to eternity, storm breaker became the only thing that can take him there.
Notice that the wall scriptures showed the bifrost mark, not stormbreaker exclusively.
19:15 When i was in theaters , i thought Russel Crowe was gonna say his line"Are you not entertained?!" from Gladiator as a reference 😆 missed opportunity tho 😅
I loved the black and white of them being on Gorrs planet its so good and I wish Christian Bale got some more screen time least for me idk what his plan fully was with capturing all the Asguard kids if he wanted to kill all the gods. Jane as Mighty Thor was badass loved her hope to see more of her one day if they can bring people from Vallhalla back
His plan was to lure Thor in to get Stormbreaker from him to open up the gate to eternity. The power of the bifrost was the key and Stormbreaker was the only source of bifrost left in the universe. The wish would have allowed Gorr to kill all gods at once without having to spend decades to kill them all manually.
@@Megaproductions302 Still have no idea why they merged 3 things into one and called it Eternity, also made almost no sense plotwise.
The Asgard kids were bait so he could get Stormbreaker to get to Eternity.
@@minartson no clue what your talking about. You are confusing yourself.
In cut preproduction content, Gorr needed to sacrifice the kids through the bifrost to reach eternity. Marvel probably thought this idea was too gruesome, but left the kids in as merely bait.
Well she got the ax because of the enchantment on the hammer. I enjoyed this more at home than the movies
Kid me, back in the '80s would have loved this! Tusen takk, great reaction!
I absolutely loved LOVED the kids with powers scene. I actually teared up and rewound to watch that exact scene again. Because imagining myself as a kid again and seeing this - it would've been EVERYTHING.
Damn Aaron getting emotional getting me more emotional than watching the movie 🤣🤣
It’s kind of a paradox because the thing getting Aaron emotional in the first place is the movie…
That ending gets me every time, when they say the movie's title.
2nd song in
Aaron: More Guns and Roses
Me: You have no idea....
There's also a case to be made for Unreliable Narrator in that this is a story being retold by Korg to the children of Asgard... so I attribute a lot to exaggeration by Korg and personally imagine that the actual events with Gorr WERE a lot darker.
That’s the thought I had when watching the movie as well.
5:45 "Oh, you're a villian alright, just not a Super one." "Yeah? What's the difference?" "Presentation!"
I can never not hear that dialogue when I hear that music.
Where is that line from?
@@prathapkutty7407 Megamind (2010)
I always love when they draw on established mythology for Thor's exploits in these films. In norse mythology Thor has a chariot pulled by magic goats which he can eat as many times as he wants, as long as he leaves the bones intact they'll be alive and ready to go when he wakes up the next morning. But because Thor is a dummy, one time he's sheltering in a cave from a blizzard and is feeling greedy, so he cracks open one of the bones to enjoy the juicy marrow, when he wakes up one of the goats has a lame foot.
I loved the kids part, I saw it coming a mile away but I laughed and I was happy for kids watching, I knew they loved it.
Fun fact: the vfx shot of Axl looked significantly worse in theaters and they changed the effect for Disney+
Ironically Christian Bale would make a good joker
Was the last time we saw Lady Sif in anything MCU related, in Agents of Shield?
Yup
The sad thing is that AoS isn’t technically MCU canon
@@trevorporter6528 that's why I said MCU "related"
Loki had her cameo for a simulation on the show. @snoshio
@@snoshio6043 I pray to God that they eventually canonize AoS like they did Daredevil
Matthew McConaughey would make a great Dark Reign version of Norman Osborn. Timothée Chalamet could be the perfect Harry.
According to marvel wiki Luka is Christian Bale's daughter, that's cool they got to involve their kids.
I'm listening to this in my kitchen on my phone, and I was SO CONFUSED when the microwave beeps started.
@Blind Wave,
42:13 I haven't read Gorr story in the comics, but I know of it from friends and folks online, but I think what's being missed here is that Gorr was possessed by the Necro Sword. Once Jane destroyed it, Gorr was free. He was hurting and he was acting out of anger when he was kneeling before Eternity. Had he still been possessed by the Necro Sword, all gods would have died for sure, as that was his mission, but as he was himself, he had a moment to think, and as you said, Thor was able to reach him and find out what he really wanted, which was his daughter, for her to live a full life.
I liked this story, a lot. I hope we get more Taika Waititi and Thor for many years to come. I think he and Chris are a perfect fit. I hope we get to see Jane Foster come back as Valkyrie too...which makes me wonder if King Valkyrie will finally go by her actual name, Brumhilda--Thor called her Val when Gorr stabbed her, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
That fire alarm scared the shit out of me lmao
Yep, they really need to not keep that stuff in the edit. I just let out a scream in public.
I was searching for a reaction to this from you guys just last week so this was a nice surprise!
Rick is right sam raimi would've definitely been perfect for balancing the horror and comedic tone for this movie. Plus he's great at cgi and fight sequences coupled with beautiful imagery.
Kingdom of Heaven is AMAZING and I would watch the hell out of you guys reacting to it
Rick wearing what looks like a Zildjian shirt makes me very happy.
My favorite well one of my favorite scenes is when Thor says little to minimum damage and then right when he says it The shrine falls one of the best scenes in the movie
Best part was the Burnout: Paradise shout. One of my favorite games of all time!
"Team Kids In a Cage" also known as the US Government / ICE
Yess bro I’ve been waiting patiently!!
Fun Fact: Thor Love & Thunder is the first Thor solo outing in which Loki does “NOT” make a physical appearance, though he is mentioned.
You thought it was whitensake, but it was me, Dio!
Honestly Jane IS worthy. Not because she wanted Mjolnir solely to heal herself, but to continue helping humanity. They said this in the movie! AND even though she was told that the transformations were actually killing her she STILL was willing to make that sacrifice to save innocent lives. If that isn’t being worthy of having the power of Thor than no one deserves that power. Also as the son of a mother who fought stage 3A breast cancer I can tell you that you have to have a truly strong will to beat cancer.
Though I do really wish we had gotten more time with Gorr. Not only to get to know him better as a character but also as a true threat to ALL the gods. He’s not called The God Butcher just because he kills gods, in the comics he literally displays some of their bodies on meat hooks and chops some of them to pieces like raw meat. In one scene he kills a massive god and brings its heart (which is the size of a bull) back as a trophy.
That said I actually do love this look as much as his look in the comics. He looks like a monk turned into a vengeful wraith.
ALSO FUN FACT: The little girl who plays Gorr’s daughter Love is actually Chris Hemmsworth’s real life daughter India.
Starting my day off with reaction! It’s a good day!
Generally I kind of felt this film was a bit all over the place. It was a fun couple of hours, and I understand it was apparently forced to be quite heavily edited down for run time purposes. Though in that case ai think some of the choices to keep certain dragged out moments in was the wrong choice. Like the goats were funny the first time then it was immediately too much 🤣 The jokes were dumb but I did properly laugh at a lot of them. I just felt it never really asked me to take any of it seriously, even the more potentially serious bits. And in a movie with child death and kidnap and terminal cancer there definitely could have been some. Couple of moments with Thor and Jane I got the seriousness of just about, but not enough to fully get me emotional. I do kind of feel like there was 3 or 4 potential separate films that I might have been invested in more in isolation but they were all crammed together. Certainly didn't hate it, didn't LOVE it but. Hey ho 🤣
Wow this is basically exactly how I feel. It needed to either flesh some more parts out by allowing to be longer or needed to cut down on the axe/hammer jokes. And for a character called Gor the god Butcher, we don’t see enough of him. Either the whole god capital scene should’ve been cut or it should’ve been some longer sequence of either the aftermath of gor having been there or him being there as they arrive or showing up while they’re there. It did a lot, and it did a lot of really cool things, but in trying so hard to be cool, fit in characters and flip between love story, comedy, horror, action… it never really found it’s footing and feels like another unremarkable entry into a very forgettable phase 4 of marvel.
I don't think it was forced to be heavily edited. From what I read, this was Taika's choice as they trusted him and gave him full reign of this movie after the success of Ragnorak. He's even gone on record saying that a director's cut from him wouldn't be that much longer.
It's also been exaggerated about how much was cut. Many people probably read about how there's a 4-hour cut of the film, but that's the assembly cut. That's not a releasable version of a movie. It's a far cry from a finished, cohesive product and nearly always has to go through significant edits unless you have a filmmaker that does in-camera editing like Spielberg. In reality, we're maybe are missing 20-30 minutes of usable footage? I think that would have helped with Gor's and Sif's stories, but we'd still have problems that you mentioned with pacing and tone.
I think Taika was just a victim of his own success, and someone else needed to reel him in. They needed to let the serious moments take full effect instead of inserting jokes everywhere. It's interesting that he's self-aware of this though. In the same interview where he commented about director's cuts, he says that "directors need to be controlled sometimes". 🕵♀
@@ImAlsoMerobiba that's fair i only heard bits here and there about it being made to go under 2 hours or be cut down but either way different choices could have brrn made even if so. I don't know exactly what's true. Agree i think sometimes people find something that works in one project then lean too heavily on it in another project
@@JeM130177 yeah and even what I said may not be 100% accurate. It's based on Taika's interviews but he's joking around a bit in those too, so who knows. Either way, I think we all wish it was better than it was 😥
@@JeM130177 Oh also, besides the humor, I think they leaned way too hard on the classic rock. This felt like a long Guns N' Roses music video lol.
Another thing about the comic book connection is that the events in the Gor series essentially created the situation that allowed Jane to become The Mighty Thor. I don't remember what the context of the statement, but Nick Fury whispers into Thor's ear that, "Gor was right." which makes Thor lose faith and he drops Mjolnir. This is when the hammer finds its way to Jane in her time of need during her battle with cancer.
12:08 Thank you, kind editor
Fun fact: the Necro Sword welded by Goor is actually part of Knull the first Symbiote..Knull is actually responsible for Nowhere the giant celestial head the Collector lives in from Guardians of the Galaxy. The Ebony Blade also comes from Knull as well as symbiotes like Venom..so it's all connected
4:56 “The hammer pulled you off?”
I feel like this movie deserved more of Christian bales gorr. in the comics he’s a serious problem so I feel like they kind of cut him short. He supposed to be the god butcher not that God kidnapper. I wasnt really a fan of the kids either taking thors powers. I mean it is cool to see Thor can learn his dads Tricks but I don’t know I feel like it was kind of wacky. The damn goats got on my nerves. I want to do more serious home like some in between the first Thor and then Ragnarok because of the seriousness of gorr. This is almost a thanos level villian it took three Thors to beat him.
2 Thors beat him in this one. Gorr did kill lots of gods. He kidnapped the kids to lure Thor there so he could steal Stormbreaker. Its a comic book , its not supposed to be "serious" all the time. The goats were hilarious every time they were on screen
@@yankeesrule587 I’m not saying it has to be serious all the time I just idk I wish it was more serious just on his parts. We didn’t see him kill a lot of gods though.
@@yankeesrule587 the goats def were not funny every time, they were funny the first time and the joke got old real quick
This movie has the same problem of SupermanVBatman. They mashed together 2 or more storylines that should have 1 or 2 movies on their own. So neither of them got the needed development.
We could have more Gor being a menace and god butchering and more Jane being a hero and strugling between taking her time to heal the cancer or taking the hammer to help people.
Stop crying.
Rick said it well. The movie had a lot of moments I love but I'd love them in another movie. A darker Gorr movie on its own would have been so cool. Christian Bale was really great I thought. Would have loved to see more of him and his storyline.
Also even though I enjoy Taikas style and humour outside of Marvel and really enjoyed Thor Ragnarok... The movie was five things in one held together by silly humour and it only worked kind of. If you watch the behind the scenes stuff it looks like maybe they were having so much fun they got lost in the sauce. 😄
I can find joy in all Marvel content because I love the characters and the interconnectedness. Some movies I have to try harder to enjoy - this was one of em. 😋
With you on every point here. I love Taika’s work, and certainly his comedy, but this just didn’t land how it could have… But then the Gorr scenes were so excellently done that it made me want to see Taika do a properly dark Gorr film with Bale, no comedy at all. I’d be really interested to see his skills as a filmmaker and scriptwriter sans his humour.
You need to watch Ted Lasso so you can all fell in love with Hercules
Recently I found out that the goats are canon to Thor’s actual mythology. Nice touch
Stormbreaker was made in 2018 but the bifrost has existed like forever. Stormbreaker can summon the bifrost which is why he needs stormbreaker
Great reaction love your mcu reactions and can’t wait for you guys to get out the rest of the dcamu as well
I always think of that one Rick and Morty scene where they crash into the small planet in a very similar way and it makes me crack up. Also, imo, obvious reference to the boys with the laser eye rabbit. Much like butcher with the baby in the hospital in season 1
The thunderbolt enhanced Thor's ability and enables him to loan his power to the kids.
Welcome to the jungle intensifies.
I immediately think of burnout paradise.
Ah a man of culture.
Also at the end...
Thor has a winebego with wings aka eagle 1 from spaceballs.
He's here! He's there! He's every f**king where! ROY KENT! ROY KENT!"
Jane didn't die in battle, nor even die from wounds suffered in battle, nor was she Asgardian. Yet she ends up in Valhalla. And made her cancer/death completely insignificant. How freaking stupid. Is Vision in Valhalla, too? Worst Thor movie ever, all due to Taika Waititi's ~many~ poor choices. What a fall from grace in the MCU.
37:06 The man himself Roy fucken Kent aka Brett Goldstein. You guys have gotta watch Ted Lasso
The weird thing in this movie is the change meeks sex, in Ragnarok Korg called it a 'he' and they said Korgs race were all males even though he spoke about 'his mum and her boyfriend' in Ragnarok. I have no problem with meek being female and Korgs race being a same sex race but why didn't they just do that from beginning instead of changing between movies.
Mom and dad could be a decided role for the two parents. Also, maybe it's some cultural divide that doesn't translate so well, thusly we get the description we've had at times. Idk. Just random thoughts I had about that.
His mum could be an adoptive mom, maybe something happened to his dads when he was little. Korg could also have just been mistaken on Miek at first, he isnt the brightest rock in the canyon.
You're the first reactors I've watched who aren't whining about the screaming goats😁
i know they annoyed some people but i laughed a the goats every damn time. And i liked the kid battle
Me too. My sister and I watched this at home, and every damn time we were laughing so hard. 😂
Stormbreaker is legend it seems. In Infinity War, when its being created Etri says that its said that its possible that Stormbreaker can summon the bifrost. Just because it was just created, doesnt mean its not already legend. Why would Etri have a mold of it?
I get why people didnt like this movie. But I absolutely loved it. Constantly am cracking up every time i see it.
same
3:48 wow Rick right he really is MCU Kratos.
9:15 Burnout Paradise is the first I think of instantly...every single time I hear the song. Such a great game!
Yesss, I played that so much on the PS3 back in the day. And the music playing as it cuts to Norway (Tønsberg/New Asgard) just made me lose my mind as a Norwegian 💀
Dwayne and Korg sitting by lava, holding hands. Waiting on baby Korg? 😮
I want Aaron's jacket. Well, one for myself, not Aaron's actual jacket. Lol
seeing Jane in valhalla always chokes me up.
Christian Bale's Gor was the best part of this movie. There was a better darker movie just sitting there waiting but they kept piling too much cheese on it.
Yeah, they chose two very dark storylines from the comics (Gorr being the god butcher and Jane having cancer) but they didn't treat them with enough respect (ok, Jane was actually pretty well done and probably one of the best parts of the movie) and made the movie into an unfunny joke. Some parts here are absolutely excellent, but they get overshadowed by the annoying jokes.
The only critisicm I have is he's the godbutcher and we only saw him kill one god and that was right at the beginning
Love is played by Chris's daughter...she has a great future in film
The kid that played gorr kid in the film is actually Chris hemsworts actually kid
I really believe that we're supposed to realize early on that the story is being told from Korg's perspective and he's not the most reliable storyteller when it comes to the details.
He's also telling the story to children as part of the narration, so it's going to be embellished and have his personality stamped firmly upon it from the start. It makes perfect sense that he would have Thor riding Stormbreaker like a witch's broom, especially after his reaction to Thor's description of how he flew using Mjolnir in Ragnarok. "You rode a hammer?"
This.
This makes so much sense why there's so much whacky shit now xD
I like the movie, love the goats and kids with powers in the end, I don't have any problems with Axl CGI (I think it's actually stupid to say it looks bad, I mean, the kid who's not that great with his powers as Heimdall won't get the same effect as Heimdall, obviously it will look bad; Thor's Helmet, however, looks totally terrible, much much worse than She-Hulk) but the scene with Sif is in my opinion terrible and it has way too much comedy in it. Actually I felt like it was another scene from the theater play with Matt Damon from this movie. The only thing I hated as much as this from Phase 4 are those 3 episodes of Ms. Marvel in Pakistan. Luckily, Sif is still alive so maybe she will be better in future movies. I wish there would be more place in this movie for Gorr. Not because I love the character from the comics, but I love Christian Bale as an actor and this movie did not use him well (although all scenes with him were obviously great). Even though I like the humour of this movie, I'd still wish this one was more serious
Baby Thor is actually Bob Chapek's grandson
I just can’t believe they turned a really serious storyline into a kids movie. Sometimes i wish i never read comics so i could just go in blind like the other casuals. I’d probably enjoy it more if i was a fan that doesn’t know shit.
@@missioncodez Here. you dropped this 🍆
@@missioncodez 🤓
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I just wish the Gorr storyline wasn't wasted lol
This is the closest we're gonna get to a He-Man movie 😎
I thought it was my fire alarm that went off 😂
My problem with this movie was the tone and the fact that they tried to fit so much into this movie. It's like it didn't know what it wanted to be and got to many genres going at the same time which at times can work but to me it felt a bit messy. The non stop jokes and repeating them just wasn't for me. I wish we could have gotten a movie that was more balanced, being serious and funny. This movie to me might be the worst of this new phase.
The mission statement was to make a romantic comedy (although I would even argue that it's a romantic dramedy) and, on that note, they succeeded.
No, even the romance was overwhelmed by the childish comedy. There's a little decent action, a little horror, a little romance and way too much "humor," most of which was more likely to cause eye rolls than laughter.
He's here! He's there! He's every fucking where! Hercules! Ted Lasso. Highly recommend.
Thor 5 being Thor and Gorrs daughter in a like buddy cop space father daughter/esque superhero movie would be so fun.
Don't these two go to movie theaters anymore?
I feel like James Gunn could've been the only director with the sensitivity to adapt a POWER PACK movie...
Roy kent!!! Roy Kent!!! He's here, he's there, He's every freaking where!!!
Roy kent!!! Roy Kent!!! He's here, he's there, He's every freaking where!!!
IYKYK 😉😂
King never do life for death
I really enjoyed this one more than I thought I was gonna tbh. Life is love, horror, sadness and everything in between and doesn't stay in one tone like most films do, it especially feels more real when they mix tones instead of staying in one tone like a lot of so called serious cbm do that come off more fantasy for trying to stay in one gear the entire film.
The feeling I got from this is, Ghor was wasted in this movie, it really needed a more serious movie. He was great in every scene he was in, but the movie really undersold him as a menace, and oversold Thor as a baphoon.
*Buffoon.
You are correct aside from the spelling. 😉
i have a question for the thor fans, if all the gods blood are gold why is thor’s blood not gold either?
4:56 he's not riding it backwards. Witches have always flown broomsticks with the brush side forward. Only in modern culture have they turned the broom around, so they are the ones riding it backwards and Thor is actually doing it right.