I Watched The FORGOTTEN Versions of Lord of the Rings
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- The Lord of the Rings are certified classics. But Peter Jackson's trilogy ain't the first LOTR adaptations. Not by a long shot!
In this video, I take a look at all the different versions of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit which came out before the Peter Jackson trilogy. I start by looking at some of the outright cancelled Lord of the Rings projects, including a planned adaptation by Walt Disney, an abandoned idea by the Beatles to do their own Lord of the Rings musical extravaganza, and a bizarrely raunchy attempt by British director John Boorman. Then, I move onto actual filmed/animated versions. Starting with a disastrous version of The Hobbit by William L. Snyder and cartoonist Gene Deitch, which never saw the light of day until years later. Then, Swedish music producer Bo Hansson made a Lord of the Rings album which served as the inspiration for the low budget Swedish version of Fellowship of the Ring. Then, Rankin Bass and Ralph Bakshi gave it a go in the late 70s with versions of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. Then, in 1980s Soviet Russia, Lord of the Rings was popular enough to get three versions done there! Including two Russian language teleplays and a cancelled Lord of the Rings cartoon. And finally, we head to Finland, to check out a 9 part miniseries of theirs.
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0:00 Intro
1:56 Disney's Lord of the Rings
2:20 The Beatles' Lord of the Rings
3:04 John Boorman's Lord of the Rings
4:20 The Hobbit [William L. Snyder] (1967)
8:11 Sagan Om Ringen (1971)
11:05 The Hobbit [Rankin Bass] (1977)
14:55 The Lord of the Rings [Ralph Bakshi] (1978)
22:30 The Return of the King [Rankin Bass] (1980)
29:24 The Hobbit [Soviet Teleplay] (1985)
34:38 Khraniteli (1991)
40:51 The Hobbit: Treasures Under the Mountain (1991)
42:15 Hobitit (1993)
50:06 Post Peter Jackson Adaptations
50:29 Patreon Thank You's / End Screen
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Hey guys! So I've realized I've made a HUGE MISTAKE with this one, that I swear to you I'm gonna fix for future reviews. For some reason, I completely forgot to mention the things I LIKED about the Rankin Bass Hobbit. From the animation, to Gandalf's portrayal, to its faithful retelling of the book's events. I'm honestly so ANNOYED WITH MYSELF, that I didn't mention any of the positive aspects of the movie, and this review makes it seem like I hated the movie more than I did. I apologize, my take here is PISS POOR. Forgive me.
So far, my only note is to un-bleep the swearing. I wanna hear every dirty syllable. Love your videos, man.
Maybe touch on Back to the Future movies, tv shows, games, and parodies of them like Doctor Who and Rick & Morty.
Maybe update your thoughts on some video game movies cause some good video game movies came out since you made that old top 10 good video game movies and I can totally see an update about them
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@@Double-R-Nothing Yeah; wish I could. TH-cam's really picky these days with that sort of thing (don't wanna get demonetized). But I've dialed it back in this one allowing the less harsh swears come through. But words like f-bombs I really better censor. Though I do keep the Patreon versions of uploads uncensored, as they're ad-free anyway.
You have no idea how confusing it was going from Rankin Bass to Ralph Bakshi back to Rankin Bass as a little kid in the 80s.
Two songs stuck in my head... "Where there's a whip there's a way" and "Froooodoooo, of the niiiiiiine fingers!"
Ah yes, FROOODOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OF THE NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE FINGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
John Lennon as Gollum? There really is no limit to what we can… IMAGINE.
Ba dum tsss! Haha, but wow; I wish I could go peek into an alternate reality to see that. Out of pure morbid curiousity.
@@Suspect_Green me too.
You monster.
Have you seen "How I Won The War" (1967) movie featuring John Lennon in a small role? A typical Gollum he's there, actualy.
@@Zholobov1 I’ve heard of it, but never seen it
19:49 the reason they keep switching between Arrowman and Saruman is because the studio thought Saruman and Sauron sounded too similar. The only problem is that they decided to tell Ralph Bakshi this after they recorded half of the movie, so that’s the reason they keep switching names.
Ahh; studio meddling at its finest. Ironically, their decision ended up making it more confusing.
@@Suspect_Greenanother dumb thing the studio did: the movie was originally going to be called ‘Lord Of The Rings Part One’ but they scrapped the idea because they said “no one would pay to see half a movie.” And then they went on to never advertise it as a two-parter. Unsurprisingly, people came out of the theater furious to be left with a cliffhanger they were never warned about.
Too similar names is just bloody funny to me, seems very American.
@@JoakimOtamaaH O L L Y W O O D
@@theobrianbros1168the studio is stupid
Apparently Sean Astin had seen the Bakshi LotR film before filming Fellowship and was really worried that he'd have to play Sam as an idiot. Boy I bet he was glad to find otherwise haha
Haha, didn't know that! Man, am I glad they didn't go down that route!
That's hilarious
That version of Sam honestly freaks me out in a way that I can't really describe.
Oh, hurray! (said in a squeaky voice)
Samwise wasn't an idiot at all in the Bakshi version.
He just wasn't a borderline possessive billy no mates like Austin's Samwise.
I actually like the fact that The Rankin/Bass did the Return of the King straight away, it's like a continuation of the Bakshi LOTR with the Hobbit made the whole adaptation series complete.
That was my thinking at the time. I assumed Rankin Bass knew about Bakshi's movie and thought they would just finish the story off. From what I hear now, that wasn't their thinking at all. They had long specialized in one-shot holiday specials and thought this was the best way to cover LOTR in under two hours. The thought of a three movie/special franchise didn't occur to them and that's unfortunate. We would then have a truly full animated version of LOTR.
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"We would then have a truly full animated version of LOTR"
Give it time and it almost certainly will happen.
The industry has come along leaps and bounds since the really basic virtual production techniques on Avatar 1.
In another 5-10 years I could see actors getting full body and facial motion capture all in real time and being able to see what they are reacting to on wall displays like they are using for The Mandalorian.
@@mnomadvfxI seriously doubt it, considering how much Hollywood/the entertainment industry throws animation under the bus and dismisses it for children. The only way I can see it getting greenlit is if someone made a compelling argument and had some impressive storyboard and concept art
@@sawyer6264I'm far from an AI stan. I think it's way over promised and a bubble. But even I think it's within a few years of high quality animation fit for a cartoon movie.
The Finnish version was originally a stage play, which was very popular and they then wanted to adapt it to TV screens for wider audience. The quality is definitely bad to modern standards, but if you think about it as a play instead of an TV show you can kinda overlook most of the stuff :'D When it was first aired in 1993 it was the coolest thing I had ever seen and I still rewatch it every now and then just to have a good laugh.
Ryhmäteatteri's stage play was absolutely amazing. Best 6 hours of theater I have ever witnessed. I saw it back in 1989. The cast was great and most of them reprised their roles on the TV series Hobitit.
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Klonkun tapa lausua "Aarre!" on mulla ihan normikäytössä.
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The music is great! And I love the stoic humour Frodo has. He's closer to the books than Elijah Woods version
It kinda reminds me of the TV productions of Narnia done by BBC.
It took a long time for TV to match the kind of production quality we see in (good) films, I'd say that the streaming media revolution kinda accelerated that.
When I was in elementary school, it was always a treat when we got to watch the Rankin-Bass Hobbit in class every couple years. It's far from perfect, but it's still a classic.
Same here, I always looked forward to watching it in school 👍
It was always a treat...
Lots of the songs in the Rankin Bass version were also taken directly from the book including Goblin Town, 15 Birds and the Elf song when they arrive in Rivendell. That gives the Rankin Bass version major points in my book and the interaction with Smog is perfect
4:05 "Fifty Shades of Gandalf the Grey." I love the joke.
Haha, thanks. Originally, I had it written as 50 Shades of Middle Earth. But then I realized I missed the most obvious pun.
I'm gonna be rolling on the floor laughing a TON from now on xDDD
Haha, was laughing my ass of and went to the comments if anyone else noticed this and here we are xD
Where there's a whip, there's a way!
Solid joke. Well done
One of the very first comments I made on the internet, back in the days of the bulletin boards and Usenet, I mentioned Gene Deitch's name in passing when discussing old Tom and Jerry cartoons. Later that day I got a personal email from him saying that someone he knew had seen his name in my posting and passed it along to him and that after being off in Czechoslovakia for the past 35 years he thought it was awfully nice that somebody remembered him...
Wait, Adolf Born is actually a quite beloved Czech illustrator and cartoonist who is mostly famous for his children's cartoon Mach a Šebestová and his illustrations of children's books. The fact that he somehow got involved with the first Hobbit adaptation is wild to me, because it was his first ever work in the film industry by almost 6 years, his first proper shortfilm called What if...? released all the way in 1972. Imagine getting the chance to work on the first ever film adaptation of The Hobbit and then getting stuck in communist Czechoslovakia and making child cartoons nobody outside of your country will know about.
I love the Rankin/Bass films. Although they aren't perfect, the animation, voices, music and overall treatment of the story is so incredibly charming and detailed. I like the Rankin/Bass Hobbit better than Peter Jackson's treatment and Return of the King is still fun, even if it isn't on the same level. I won't argue that Ian McKellen didn't do an amazing job as Gandalf...but when I think of the character, John Huston's voice is the one I hear. I also think the Rankin/Bass Gollum is far more intimidating, terrifying and monstrous.
Rankin/Bass’s The Hobbit is my favorite animated film ❤️
Same it's what got me interested in tolken he is being way over critical I even had the book and the complete soundtrack loved it
This nerd likes the PJ version of the Hobbit better… that tells you enough about him on an intellectual level. He clearly read the Cliff’s Notes, not JRRT actual books.
@@teethhuller8275 He did a better job than Jackson. You act like you read the books. Ya know Gandalf is supposed to have "great bushy eyebrows that stick out beyond the rim of his misshapen hat". Jackson didn't put Gandalf in his movies...just some tired old man.
YES.
part of why I love reading the books is I hear John Huston's voice as the narrator AND Gandalf lol
As a swedish person i feel absolutely embarrassed at SVT's lack of respect for the source material and their viewers.
I remember thinking i hated Tolkien's work just because my only impression was this soulless low budget adaptation with a narrator who couldn't sound more bored if he tried.
It looks like 90% of the budget was spent on renting that horse!
Its fun seeing these different interpretations of Tolkien's world. As much as I love the Jackson trilogy, an unfortunate side effect is that its become the template not only for the look of Tolkien and his world but for most of fantasy. A lot of the joy of previous adaptations is just how different they all look.
Yeah, the Jackson films definitely set a standard that a lot of films try to poorly mimic. Some of these versions of LOTR were tough to get through, but it was at least interesting to see what they did differently.
Mm. i was thinking the same thing. Older fantasy designs before they'd become consistent and cemented in pop culture. I don't know how much of it was Jacksons LoTR films and how much of it was Warhammer Fantasy.
A surprising amount of things copying Tolkien are actually copying the specific way Warhammer Fantasy copied Tolkien. Which is why Tolkiens orcs and elves don't really resemble the standard fantasy version of them all that much. I think they might have completely dominated the way Dwarfs are depicted as well.
You know how Dwarfs never use spears in anything despite that being something that'd be really useful for them? In fact, they only ever use hammers, axes, and maybe picks? Warhammer Fantasy is why. Their Dwarfs specifically only use weapons that double as tools. Every other Dwarf depiction is copying that trope, but usually doesn't have the in universe reason why.
@@ASpaceOstrich Tolkien's dwarves are complately unique. In mythology they were just elves who lived underground (also known as 'dark elves'), whilst in medieval and later folk tales they were usually tiny, and rarely interested in anything apart from mining and punishing or helping human miners. Basically every 1m20 dwarf who does any sort of warfare is purely Tolkienesque.
@@jeremiaas15 You've missed my point. Tolkien absolutely redefined modern fantasy. But his specific versions of the redefined modern fantasy are actually quite unusual, as the "generic fantasy" versions of things like Elves and Dwarfs aren't copying Tolkien directly. They're copying the first wave of things to copy Tolkien. Very notably Warhammer Fantasy.
Warhammer Fantasy only had one even vaguely original thing in it. The Skaven. But the specific way Warhammer Fantasy copied earlier fiction became the standard that everything else is often based on. Tolkien popularised Elves as forest dwelling pointy eared high tech artisans. Warhammer Fantasy is the reason those else are always such massive assholes. Same goes for other fantasy races. Its responsible for green Orcs, scottish Dwarfs, and many more things. And its influence on Dwarf aesthetic design is huge.
Yeah it gets old of seeing the same Sauron design over and over again, i want to see original and unique designs.
13:08 It should be noted that in the full scene this line is part of a gag: Thranduil, Bard, and Thorin were all about to begin fighting, and when the Goblins appear they all immediately start talking of their age-old bonds and each others' nobility: this causes Bilbo to say "Truly, I do not understand war" and walk off, sitting out the pointless battle entirely.
"Oh, and this is supposed to be the Shire, by the way. Why it looks so bloody dark and depressing, I don't know."
Because it's the Finnish version, d'uh!
The Rankin Bass version of Smaug, while comical seeing the dragon look and act more like a draconic cat, delivered the "I am fire, I am death" speech far far better than Peter Jackson's Smaug ever could.
That is the power of Richard Boone's voice and talent. Same guy who played Paladin in "Have Gun Will Travel" if you know that show. I sort of liked the feline/wolfish look of Smaug. It had a certain uniqueness to it.
@@thenson1HaloYeah I agree though having car headlights for eyes seemed kind of funny to me as a kid lol
Please don't mention Jackson's Hobbit films.
The fact that they had Bilbo remove the ring in a weird 'precious' fit is utterly ridiculous.
24:00 Actually, Shelob was in the second book, not the third book. It was actually the Ralph Bakshi film that gave Peter Jackson the idea to end his adaptation of The Two Towers on the cliffhanger of Gollum taking the Hobbits to Shelob, since that is a deviation from the books.
Yeah, messed up there. Didn't realize. Hope the video wasn't too disappointing.
@@Suspect_Green It wasn't. I actually really appreciated this deep dive into the adaptations. I'm really glad that you're making video reviews again!
The Peter Jackson Two Towers was such a mess, from a pacing standpoint. It didn’t start or end in the right spot.
Ah, the cursed Finnish Lord of the Rings adaptation. What I really like about it, is that it had quite an ensemble cast in Finnish standards. A lot of the actors are well-known even today and they sort of represent the classically theatre trained actors. Bilbo's actor is even internationally known for his role as Ahti in the video games Control and Alan Wake 2. And in true Finnish fashion, you get a glimpse of Gollum's balls in episode 7.
Crazily enough, the 1977 Rankin-Bass version of The Hobbit was my introduction to Middle Earth. For perspective, I was born in the latter half of the 90s, which makes it all the more baffling that I got introduced to Tolkein's stories that way, and not through Jackson's trilogy.
The Rankin/Bass adaptation is what got me to discover fantasy/sword & sorcery and reading Tolkien. I was 8 years old. Respectfully, I think your criticism of it misses the forest for the trees. It was made for children about a novel best suited for children. It captures the heart and spirit of the novel so much better than the Peter Jackson version; much more faithful in capturing the essence if not always the details; but even the details are paid proper homage (note the many songs are actual lyrics from Tolkien's own poems/songs in the book). John Huston has the perfect narration voice, as Gandalf. The message about an unassuming everyman homebody who undergoes personal growth and change- the reluctant hero- and about war and peace are excellent. Instead of focusing on the quick turnaround of the 3 kings, note how moving the words are between Thorin and Bilbo upon his deathbed; how beautiful the scene is when Bilbo climbs the tree in Mirkwood Forest to find sunlight and butterflies; and the lyrics of the theme song. It's all well done. And for 1970s animation, the Japanese artwork/animation has a very cool, ancient look.
The Rankin/Bass version is the closest to the actual book compared to Jackson's nonsensical movie with over the top action sequences and inclusion of side stories that were to pad the damn thing out to 3 films.
I really liked how they did Smaug in this version.
I often find myself wishing John Huston was alive in the age of audio books. I would love to hear an audio book version of the series with him reading it!!
Also with you on the songs. It's cool that some are actual lyrics from the books and they help capture the feel of each scene.
I realized later on that Thurl Ravenscoft (main singing voice in How the Grinch Stole Christmas (1966) and Tony the Tiger was one of the voices in the faster songs! He's the really low voice in The Goblin Song and Fifteen Birds! You can really hear it in Fifteen Birds when he says "Bake and toast em, fry and roast em..."
@@DocBrown086Huston was an amazing director as well. Kind of fascinating to think someone with such an amazing voice and acting was mostly working behind the camera. His filmography and breadth of work is incredible.
Yes agreed this suspect green guys is a nobody and his appear should be cast into Mount Doom.
It was the 1977 TV special "The Hobbit" that turned me on to high fantasy. The most memorable part of it for me was Richard Boone's voice acting as the voice of Smaug.
"Brothers that literally twenty seconds ago I was willing to slaughter in their thousands"
Yea, that sums up having a brother
People think the Soviet Union collapsed as a result of internal and geopolitical failures. It actually committed suicide out of shame for creating Khraniteli.
Haha; yeah, that was painful to sit through.
I loved the Rankin Bass Hobbit growing up. I watched the spider scene on loop.
Same here! To this day, if I'm going on a long walk or a hike, the "Where there's a whip, there's a way" song keeps me going. 👍
26:00 This is how it goes in the book, Gollum dances around in delight and trips and falls. The idea is that Evil always destroys itself. I would argue that Frodo fighting him for it does this better as Frodo is under the influence as well by this point, the ring might have survived with just Gollum but by corrupting Frodo as well it causes the fight that leads to its destruction.
Dare I say the people who prefer Gollum just tripping are those that prefer book accuracy.
I think that the book version has another layer as well. The ring is just too powerful, being so close to it's maker, that it's influence can't be resisted anymore. Frodo is unbelievably resilient to make it so far, when everyone else fails by owning it for a fraction of that time or thousands of miles away from Mordor. But in the end even he is not strong enough, even he fails. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Even the purest of hearts will be corrupted eventually, noone is immune to such immense power. Frodo carried it to Mount Doom, but even he can't have enogh willpower to cast it into the fire. And this corruption doesn't end with his finger bitten off. Just like everyone else is effected by even the presence of the ring (Bilbo, Boromir, Gollum, Gandalf, Galadriel, even Aragorn, Faramir and Sam), Frodo is still under it's spell. He can't just switch and destroy the ring with Gollum (and arguably himself).
And to fight for the ring, to get it back also doesn't make more sense. He is exhausted and had his finger bitten off. He has immense pain (that part was acted brilliantly by Elijah Wood) and he just wouldn't have the strenght after all the ordeals and a quite heavy bloodloss (also remember, that he couldn't drink enough water for a long time, so he's also heavily dehydrated) to just get up and wrestle Gollum. And even if he would get some kind of adrenalin rush or the corrupting force of the ring is just that powerful, that I don't think he would attack Gollum the way he does, because that would be too dangerous for the precious ring (as it is proven by Gollums fall).
So yeah... It's not just "Because that's how it's written in the book" - I think the way Tolkien wrote it has a lot of deep meaning and I think he thought a lot about how to find the most consistent and meaningful way to destroy the ring. I kinda imagine it like how Aang in ATLA spends day and night to find a solution to defeat Ozai without killing him even though everyone tries to convince him, that this is the one and only effective way to end the war. Simply casting the ring into the fire or falling tragically only to be rescued - that's the Hollywood solution, the one that seems the obvious one. The scene is not bad - it's acted well and creates dramatic tension, but it just lost so much layers of meaning from what was a so much more well thought out way to end the whole threat once and for all.
Also the fact that apparently GOD HIMSELF (Eru Ílluvatar) intervened to make Gollum trip in the books. But yes the film makes a better show of it.
Tolkien stated in one of his letters that Eru intervened at the end of the 3rd age, causing Gollum to trip and fall into Mt. Doom
Tbh i prefer the book Version for the sheer Slapstick Energy of it all. But i also Loved gimli dragging Legolas to Go Sightseeing in the caves of Helms deep because - SCREW THIS WAR, THERES SHINY ROCKS TO LOOK AT
I prefer the interpretation that Illuvatar didn't literally push Gollum into the fire, but rather subtly orchestrated the events that would lead to that eventuality. He so rarely intervenes directly, and this just doesn't seem like something that would warrant him to do so. If Illuvatar really wanted, he could have just destroyed Sauron and the Ring altogether at any time.
I think it was essentially the ring itself, and Frodo's curse upon Gollum should he betray Frodo. Gollum swore by the ring to serve his master, and Frodo told him the ring would keep him to his word, because it is treacherous, and created to dominate the wills of others. Later, Frodo said (prophesied?) that if Gollum touched him again he'd be cast into the fire, and that's exactly what happens.
The Rankin Bass Hobbit was judged a bit harshly I think, since it wasn't judged in context. It was a Rankin Bass production, it was aimed squarely at children. And it did a great job at it. As a seventies kid that watched it when it was new, I absolutely loved it. There was nothing like that at the time.
I think the author is too young to appreciate it for what it was. In the 70's adults would typically change the channel when a cartoon came on. But they would leave this one on and everyone enjoyed it, both adults and children. The style was so different from the typical animated shows (like Popeye, Tom & Jerry and Disney). Also it was TV friendly for the 1970s (loads of restrictions then), hand drawn and told the story quite well. I love Jackson's work very much but this is a great work of art.
You know, I actually like the Rankin/Bass adaptations of The Hobbit and The Return of the King. There is just something about the animation that reminds me of those fantasy illustrations you see in classic children's storybooks. I can't really explain it, but it just does for some reason.
Honestly i hate when people criticize things when they didn't live through that era. When The Lord Of The Rings animated film came out, it became kind of an underground cult film, because it was so different, and back then animation didnt have computers, and it was at the time when Disney had pretty much lost it's magic from the previous era. So Lord Of The Rings was sure, full of faults, but Gandalf spinning around was 100% in character for Gandalf if you follow how he is, he often dramatizes while telling stories, so that spin was not 'laughable' to most people who watch it. It was about magic, and about some power greater than some Hobbit village had ever encountered. The scene I remember many people who lived through that time remember, and tell me about wsa the scene when they first hide from the black rider, the bugs crawling out of the ground all over them, while they are trying to stay quite was what left such a strong memory for everyone I know who watched it back then as we kid, etc.
The problem with judging a film like thatso many years later is that you have no idea what films it was competing with, including animated features, and you are judging it after having watched a film like Peter Jackson's Lord Of The Ring, so many of the best original ideas that were in Ralph Bakshi's film, so you having watched Jackson's film later, you are not even aware that some of the impact that that film was stollen from Bakshi's film, and you can't possible watch Bakshi's film after and give it a fair critic, because you are attributed all those good ideas to Jackson rather then Bakshis film. I see this all the time. If you perhaps had seen Bakshi's film first, then watched Peter Jackson's I might have some respect for you opinion, but watching them not in the order they were created is a recipe for incredible cognitive bias, and much of it will be unconscious...
The Whip song is ridiculously invasive. Thanks for playing a snippit so it will be in my head all week.
A fun example of a Non Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings project is that in between the release of Fellowship of the Ring and Two Towers, a game based on Fellowship of the Ring was released, except it was based on the book and not the film. I'm like 90% sure that it was done on purpose to confuse fans of the movie (I know that's why we owned it). Funny enough, a game based on Jackson's Two Towers was released a month later and it was way better.
I liked that game
Flandrew has a great video on that one
I bought that game, too. Took like 400 hits to kill any creature you fought...just a slog.
Rule with the LOTR games is, if its based on the book licence (like Gollum), its probably not very good. The movie games were rocky too, but genuinely, are of better quality. Compare War of the Ring to Battle For Middle Earth
@@DeadManSinging1 I rather like War of the Ring. Has it's charm being based on the Battle Realms engine. I also appreciate as Mordor, you can get ALL NINE Black Riders out. Which is cool to pull off.
I personally like the Rankin Bass movies. Not as good as the Peter Jackson, but feels a bit closer to Tolkein's work, where the dialogue and narrative can be VERY flowery and poetic, mirroring epic poems. It can be a bit grading at times to read through when they're like just walking or looking around a house. But when it reaches the more climactic moments, it works really well.
Andy Serkis’s portrayal of and voice for Gollum/Sméagol and the character design is so iconic that when you go back and look at the various designs and voices the character has had in the pre-Peter Jackson adaptations, it’s pretty jarring. I know not everyone might agree but I think the visual design of Gollum in Ralph Bakshi’s animated version from 1978 might have been a big inspiration for the version we all know and love.
Unpopular opinion: Andy Serkis’ Gollum sounds just like Jar Jar Binks and makes TTT and RotK borderline unwatchable.
@@joshgardner5887 IMO he sounds like Gurgi from "The Black Cauldron", but I doubt Andy Serkis knew about it since it's so obscure for a Disney movie.
Boorman's script is absolutely insane. Besides Galadriel and Frodo having sex, he also had a scene with Aragon and Boromir passionately making out. Also, at the Council of Elrond, the history of The Ring is portrayed in dance on the table... with a dog dancing one of the main parts. It just gets weirder and weirder until a lot of it has nothing to do with the original books. A lot of it is supposed to be symbolic, but it's just confusing and really strange.
Tolkien would surely have a heart attack upon reading the script.
Sounds like a load of rubbish to me
Im sorry what.
I haven't seen the video yet.
I really like the animated Rankin Bass Hobbit film. I watch every year after I reread the Hobbit. It’s not perfect like you said, it is rushed as hell and Beorn and the Arkenstone were cut which is a shame, but I still enjoy it. I really love Gollum’s portrayal in it and I personally don’t mind the songs.
I think the songs are really well done and have an ancient haunting quality to them
I thought it did a good job at having the Hobbits atmosphere
The rank and bass, animated hobbit movie is an excellent introduction to sword and sorcery for children. But it is good enough for an adult to watch with them and it’s still enjoying..
As an adult introducing them to his children, yes. Yes, it was.
One more thing about Rankin/Bass Return of the King: The whole sequence where Sam and Frodo dress up as orcs (where there's a whip there's a way) inspired Jackson because if I'm not mistaken, it's not in the books. But it's in Jacksons movie.
Yes it is in the books when they escape from Cirith Ungol, The Return of the King, LoTR Book 6, Ch 1, The Tower of Cirith Ungol
@@simonshepherd8357 you are right, it's in the book. I just checked. But it's book 6 chapter 2, The Land of Shadow.
I am so glad you brought up the trippiest S & M anthem ever committed to animated film: 🎵 Where there's a whip (whuppish) There is a way 🎶
Dude, that is the ONLY THING I remember from any of The Lord of The Rings adaptations. (And I saw it back in '85!)
I will NEVER forget the Rankin-Bass LOTR/Hobbit movies. Those had me reading the books as a kid when the vast majority of people had no idea that they existed.
The Bass version of the Hobbit is awesome! The animation is beautifully water colored, and in spite it's campiness the film gives you a feeling of otherworldliness that you just don't get from the Jackson version.
Agreed ! They had to rush through some parts because it was a TV Movie , back when there were 3 Channels . But it was absolutely true to the story , unlike Jackson's Hobbit , uh , Trilogy .
I love the rank and bass hobbit. The music is great.
Exactly! The only thing that always confused me were kinda goblinish looking elves which were supposed to be beautful. Nevertheless love that one, true classic indeed.
The Animated Hobbit was magical to me as a child I use to watch it at my Aunts house with my brothers & we were completely into it. I loved the animation, songs & story it took me to another world. I liked Return Of The King also there was nothing else like it as far as I knew. I've tried to watch other animated classics as an adult like Fire & Ice witch don't seem as good but I wasn't child watching but I do think Hobbit was special for me, so was Reteurn OF The King. The movies were so amazing to me when they came out absolutely the best but I'm not much of a reader. I never would have read a book that big so I'm glad they made it into films for people like me.
In the books, Gollum dances on the brink of the crack of doom and then falls in (as shown in the R-B version). I believe that Tolkien states in his letters that no mortal would have been capable of destroying the ring. An act of God was necessary. An act of God that was made possible by Bilbo and Frodo's earlier acts of mercy towards Gollum.
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That's the look parents and their kids gave when they entered the infamous "Willy Wonka" Chocolate Experience
in Glasgow, Scotland.
I loved the Rankin/Bass version of The Hobbit as a kid and that Gollum continues to be my favorite version. Serkis was brilliant of course, but that animated version is so creepy and menacing that I can't help but love it.
Oh hey, thanks for checking out my translation of Sagan om ringen! It took me a few months, so I'm glad to see it getting some exposure. If nothing else, I think it's worth checking out for the music alone - it's quite good imo.
Thanks for clarifying the “slag” term. I’m American so I’ve never heard that saying before. Learn something new everyday🙂
Haha, yeah, there's a few words here that would take a whole new meaning if they became a thing stateside. Always find it funny when Americans find out that trump is British slang for fart.
I always thought "slag" meant something similar to "dross"? It's definitely a term from mining and geology: There's volcanic slag (scoria), and the useless stuff that remains behind in a furnace when metal is refined from ore and purified... slag being the impurities that stay behind and have to be skimmed off the molten metal or scraped out of the furnace afterwards.
British slag is all about impurities too....
I was seven when that movie the hobbit came out on TV and we immediately started playing. The hobbit had never heard of the Lord of the rings cause we were seven. It is amazing. I still watch it today I have a VHS of it and a DVD of it. Loving memories of it. And it’s cooler now that I have a sword to go with it.
Now I'm going to have that damn "Where there's whip" song stuck in my head! Seriously though, its excellent to see you back. Been watching since your review of the Phantom Menace game 10 goddamn years ago! I was in middle school then, and now I'm here as a full-blown adult getting a job at Intel, and yet I've never stopped watching your stuff. Great job staying entertaining, man. I bought Persona 5 because of your review, so there's over a hundred hours of my life changed because of your stuff haha
Wow, thanks! It's been a long ride; one I hope to keep going! Congrats on your intel job. Hope it goes well!
Well, Sagan om ringen (1971) was basically a brief voice-narrated synopsis of The Lord of the Rings presented in a video of non-speaking live actors superimposed over hand-drawn backgrounds, inspired by a music album inspired by the novel, financed by a Swedish government (taxpayer) funded budget of about one millionth of Peter Jackson's budget, so it might compare favorably with Peter Jackson's movie trilogy in terms of quality per dollar (or kroner). 😏
Plus extra points for authenticity in being the only Lord of the Rings movie that correctly included Glorfindel's part in the story. 😛
My dad had a VHS copy of the Rankin/Bass Hobbit and my mom absolutely would not allow me to watch it. I always thought it was because it was either too scary or too “adult”, (wink wink), but looking back, I think it was because she didn’t want me to become too nerdy. Well JOKES ON HER!
According to christopher tolkien, he said his father would have hated jackson's adaptation.
Damn, that kinda hurts to hear. I kinda don't want to believe that. I mean, surely the man himself must've been somewhat impressed with it. Considering the only adaptation he ever saw, was that god awful Snyder one. In comparison, the Jackson version would've blown his mind.
Did he say why that would be?
@@BJGvideospretty sure he would have hated the glorifying of the battle scenes.
I like to believe Christopher was more protective of his father’s legacy, and Tolkien himself would be in awe of how much love was put into the production and music even if he had reservations about some changes.
Maybe he would have appreciated the visual (New Zeland), but it terms of the story, no : pratically all characters have a different personnality, some events really diminish Frodo espacially (Book version : Frodo standing up to Nagul at the Weathertops and at the Bruinen, he never distrust Sam over Gollum, standing up to Shelob he gains instantly Faramir's respect by being educated and assertive etc), also battles take way too much space compared to the Books etc. These are great movies, and a beautiful introduction to the Legendarium, but there are not Tolkienians at all.
I never knew about the Finnish version, and I’m so glad I found out now. It looks exactly like what I’d expect from Finland and that song is brilliant.
Yeah, the Finnish version is worth a look at least. It's an interesting take and Frodo's song and dance number is so good! Best skip the Gollum twerking scene though. I can't believe I just typed that.
@@Suspect_Green the Finnish version/their theatre stage play had an actual soundtrack released and most of it is online. Some of those songs are weirdly fitting, like Durinin aika (Age of Durin). Sounds like something a Dwarf would sing with a hammer in his hand while being nostalgic and melancholic. Some of the songs are... weird in execution, even though they all come straight from the book.
It is a TV-adaptation of a live stage theatre play. Which explains the reasonable acting, cheap music and *cough* "symbolic" props.
The Rankin Bass version of Return of the King wouldn't have shown Shelob since in the books, the encounter with her was in Two Towers. The Jackson version changed that
Ahhh; I didn't realize that. My bad! I always assumed Shelob was in the RotK book, as Bakshi's film covers the two towers too and he didn't include Shelob in his movie either.
@@Suspect_Green no worries! Keep up the good work. Glad to see you back
@@Suspect_Green The Two Towers book covers up to Pippin and Gandalf riding off to Gondor and Frodo's unconscious body being carried off by the orcs leaving Sam alone with the ring.
@@Suspect_Green Interestingly, Boromir also dies at the start of the Two Towers, and not the end of Fellowship
Fun fact: Slag was also the original name of one of the Dinobots in Transformers. It was changed to Slug for obvious reasons
Ahh, somebody else commented mentioning Slag and Transformers, didn't know what they meant, now that makes sense. Thanks! :)
@@Suspect_Green Yes, but it literally took them decades to finally redo it, even after various Transformers cartoons were using slag as a substitute swear word. They even acknowledge it in Transformers Animated, where the Triceratops Dinobot was renamed Snarl and Scrapper remarks "Well I was gonna call him Slag but I was worried he'd take it as an insult." and in the IDW comics they called him Slag for half the run until 2014 where the name change happened, with the in-universe reason being Arcee tells him that his name is offensive.
Once again another fantastic video and actually it’s given me an idea for a video you could do as a subsequent sequel to this one: All adaptations of The Chronicles of Narnia. To this date, there has been 4 attempts to adapt this fantasy franchise (a lost television adaptation from the 1960s, the 1979 animated film of The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe, then the BBC adapting four of the books into a 3 season television series. And of course, the films by Disney and Fox from 2005-2010). And with a fifth adaptation now in the works by Greta Gerwig (Director of Barbie) for Netflix, I thought this might be a subject that’s right up your alley Suspect.
Yeah, I think this could be a good idea to do for several franchises, looking at ALL the adaptations it got (including the lesser known ones). If this video does well, a Chronicles of Narnia one could be good to do when Gerwig's version comes out.
@@Suspect_Green thanks 👍🏻
🎶 "...What funny little birds, they have no wings, oh, what shall we do with the funny little things....
"🎶 (too many years in my brain rent free)
Love the new content more styled around film history. I’m a huge LOTR fan and it’s refreshing to learn stuff about it that I never knew. A lot of work went into this vid and it shows
Swede here, just wanted to tell you that your pronunciation of "sagan om ringen" was pretty much spot on, if a little forced
Adolf Born was actually a well known and respected artis and illustrator, with a distinct, fairy tale esque style.
As a Czech person, I saw the art style of the first, horrible version of the Hobbit and thought, wait a minute, I recognise the style. The artist, Adolf Born, illustrated Czech children's books and cartoons. For example, he illustrated cartoons about Mach and Šebestová, approximately 9-year-old kids who have a magic phone. Here is the only episode that I truly remember, where the kids shrink themselves to microscopic proportions and fight germs in their classmate's throat: th-cam.com/video/MKi6GPiC_pc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=64JY9osg-HvlTfu2 As you can tell, I saw it as a kid and am still weirded out.
As a Finn, it's nice that people form other parts of the world talk about our little low budget LOTR miniseries. Haven't seen it yet so that's on my watching list.
Worth watching at least for Frodo's Prancing Pony number. Never thought I'd see a LOTR adaptation with a violin solo.
I remember watching it as a kid from tv. It was great.
I also watched some of it as a kid and hated it. I was a fantasy nerd and a hard-core Tolkien fan and the tv series felt like a travesty. The dull, depressing atmosphere, the awful jazz score, the overacting... ugh. Not a fond memory.
It used to be available on TH-cam for years, watched it for shit n' giggles.
Finnish is the closest language to Tolkien's Elvish. So it is very fitting to hear the characters speak it.
I love Ralph Bakshi. His movies have moments of straight up surreal transcendence! I really wish his LOTR was given a proper budget and better! (or at least finished!)
I thought Wizards was brilliant!
These aren't forgotten just because you hadn't seen them previously. Some of us remember them well.
12:30 this version of The Hobbit I like the lot. One of the reasons is the eagles talk. I was really looking forward to the live action Hobbit having talking eagles.
Alright, how the hell have I never seen this channel before? This is fun!
LOL don't forget VeggieTales: Lord of the Beans
Great video! You did a fantastic job. Also, I laughed so hard at the part where you were cursing the darkness.
Bakshi's version was the one that introduced me to Tolkien so it will always have a special place 😁
Great job !!
Thanks for putting these all together...
so happy ur getting ur views back this high suspect u deserve it. have watched you for a decade at this point and were a big part of my childhood. thanks man
When I watched the Lost In Adaptation video for Die Hard, Dominic Noble’s summary of how Nothing Lasts Forever became the movie that we all know and love reminded me strongly of the start of your review of Die Hard, and now it feels like everything has come full circle with you telling the story of the first ever Lord Of The Rings adaptation in a way which I find very reminiscent of Dominic Noble’s video on the subject, with you even reacting to Smaug’s name change with the exact same words.
Yeah, Dominic Noble is British too right? Me and him probably had the same reaction upon hearing slag, haha. I can't believe they thought that was a good idea.
No one:
No, really, no one:
Animated Aragorn: "We SHALL see!"
Fantastic work, Ross! I'm so glad these kinds of retrospectives are coming out so well put together. Of all the adaptations you mentioned, I'm not going to lie, I was really shocked to hear that none other than the damn Beatles were going to take on the project. My head is spinning with ideas for how that would have turned out.
I just found your stuff again after about 10 years. When we were teens, me and my friends used to laugh our ass off at your Two Towers review video and we still reference many of your jokes from that video. They have become some classic inside jokes for us. I got the same old laughs out of this video and immediately subscribed. So glad you are still doing you!
Great to see you back, Ross! I missed you. I've been watching you for years. Since the Star Wars ten things video from I want to say 2013. Certainly simpler times with the series. Your videos always cheer me up. I can't wait to see this one.
By the way, are you excited or are you also like me cautiously optimistic about Legends Pokémon Z-A?
Thanks! And Legends ZA I'm intrigued by. But this is Game Freak we're talking about. It's not gonna be a super AAA polished experience. Still, Legends Arceus was the best Pokemon game of recent memory (albeit hampered by performance issues and never-ending reams of text getting in the way of the good stuff). Hope it's good.
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No problem. I couldn't agree more. Here's hoping it will surprise us since it's getting an extra year of development and they're trying to get it right instead of rushing it out like it feels like has been the case too often with Switch released Pokémon games.
As a Finn, I'm obliged to say sorry for that "Hobitit". I don't know how they got some of the best actors of the time in Finland for *that* one... Like Gollum, who was played by Kari Väänänen!
Also note that Väänänen played not only Gollum but also Aragorn.
@@JukkaSarkijarvi Yes, but I mentioned Gollum specifically as Unusual Suspect mentioned that one scene.
I think it has some charm with all the shittiness of it all. I love how Väänänen says "Aarre!" as Golum, it's the only way I pronounce it whenever like playing RE4 or something. Torille vai Hobittilaan?
But that song was ace! 😊
Sam makes being such a good person look so easy. He really demonstrates how doing what’s right is nearly always clear and simple in everyday life, it’s just not always easy. Sam labors intensely to do what’s right yet he never lets fatigue or circumstance blind his goal. No matter what happened, Sam stared death in the face before and walked forward. The Gaffer would be proud.
This video was so entertaining, you look like you had a lot of fun making it!
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"Wasn't really kid-friendly enough for the Disney brand"?!
All of the animated Disney films
(the majority of which are G-rated
for some reason) that either
featured or implied death to certain characters:
*"ARE WE A JOKE TO YOU?!"*
Yeah, Disney definitely has its dark elements. Bambi no doubt scarred children for life (always reminded of the Animaniacs episode where Skippy balls his eyes out at it).
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Heck, I'm still surprised that
none of their past Disney animated
films (from 1937 onwards)
were re-rated to a "PG" in today's society.
Can't forget when Clayton snapped his own neck after hanging himself on vines while trying to murder Tarzan, all the while Tarzan tried to prevent it from happening just moments before. Yup. A very kid-friendly Disney movie history moment.
@@Suspect_Green *"Bumbie's mom!"* 😭😭😭
@@Xilivian
Don't forget about Ursula from *"The Little Mermaid"* who got stabbed by Eric with the broken bowsprit of a shipwreck, which might have been inspired from
the ending of Universal's *"JAWS: The Revenge"* (In the original Theatrical Ending - which was seen in old TV airings on AMC - Papa Jaws just gets stabbed to death by the bowsprit, before they changed it to having him get stabbed & then blow up for some reason in the International release, which had been used for all home video releases).
Loved this video man. The editing and commentary was so funny!
Thanks! Appreciate it! :)
I think the half arsed rotoscope parts of the Bakshi version are the best bits. It gives it a very dark and surreal edge. One time I was at a rock festival and I'd eaten a weird mushroom and smoked some pipeweed and I thought I was in an Orc battle with the dark riders circling me. Everything looked just like the cheap rotoscope fx. All I kept thinking was that its a good job i'm invisible.
Great to see the reviews are back keep them coming bro
Comparing the 77 animated Hobbit film to a modern live action movie. Peak TH-cam bro right here.
I loved the Ralph bakshi lord of the rings out of all of those.
Yeah, it's definitely the best one outside the Jackson trilogy. Worth a watch for all LOTR fans I think.
Very good video. Informative and funny. Good breakdowns. Subscribed!
The 1977 Hobbit and 1978 Lord of the Rings are very nostalgic for me because my grandparents owned copies of them and when I was little I would watch them over and over at their house. Looking back the Hobbit one wasn’t very good but I still love the lord of the rings one
While it's not a movie. There is a 2002 video game based on the fellowship on the ring novel. Glorfindel actually makes an appearance there.
So technically there are two adaptations where Glorfindel makes an appearance
Ahh! I didn't know this, thanks for sharing! Yeah, never played the FOTR game, not heard good things about it. Thinking I might do a LOTR game retrospective one day.
@@Suspect_GreenThe game was praised for it's character models which I find hilarious. Because the characters shows no facial expressions at all XD
@@Suspect_GreenHey about the reason for why they pronounce Saruman as Aruman in Ralph Bakshi's movie. During the production the producers felt that both Saruman and Sauron sounded similar and so demanded to change Saruman's name to Aruman. But by the time they did that they have already recorded half of the lines of the movie and they didn't bother to redub any of it
There’s also the 2003 Hobbit game
I guess it’s fitting that this video released in March 2024, as the latest entry in Denis Villeneuve’s sci-fi epic is currently in cinemas.
What can I say, the latest theatrical adaptations of Dune are the closest we have to a spiritual successor of Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy.
Dont forget the band "Blind Guardian" they did songs from all of Tolkens' works. Songs about The War of Wrath, The Silmarillion, and others
Great dive man ! Superlative editing too hehe subbed
Let's be honest. Stretching the hobbit into three movies sounds way better than shortening it in over twelve minutes.
All of those adaptations were far superior to Amazon's atrocious "Rings of Power" because none of them had scummy propaganda as a motivation. It was designed to be antagonistic.
It’s been years since I’ve seen your videos so it felt good watching this review and still highly enjoying your analysis while still being intrigued by it
Love your videos, man. Ever since I was a kid.
The Hobbit cartoon was way better then the LOTR cartoon. I also liked it better then the live action movies but that's more of a nostalgic thing of when i was a kid i guess. Though i did like the Hobbit live action movies more then the live action LOTR movies.
lmao and ppl wanna hate on rings of power?
Yep...
This is phenomenal - Thank you so much!
Great video 😀
I really like this format, keep it up