@@ballaking1000 I know they aren't related and you could easily put V10's in the current cars and have the best of both worlds For me Formula 1 has always been about being the pinnacle of motorsport but with the rule changes of recent years to shift to being greener has taken the spark away from it all ... Not to mention that if they want to make F1 greener they could stop making teams fly tonnes of gear all over the world into the middle of random deserts that no one goes to.
Michael was an amazing driver, but the corrections was because of the car, and different types of tires than in today's cars. They were very different. If you go back a few years more, F1 cars were basically drifting through corners because they used harder tires and that was the fastest way to go around corners. Nowadays the inputs have to be very smooth. The way you're supposed to drive today's cars and cars from that time are very different.
@@dbabu51 to be honest that ruined F1 a lot. Back in those days overtaking was difficult for sure but unreliability, pitstop strategies and fuel refueling made up for the disadvantage of other teams and allowed inferior teams to catch up and win. Today cars are too relialable and predictable. Strongest teams remains basically unchallenged. ERS and DRS, introduced to improve track overtaking, simply eliminated the difficulty to overtake. If I'm behind you with a slightly more charged battery and DRS open, I'll catch up to you and overtake you with sheer velocity and power and no skill. Nowadays the skill is not in overtaking but in defending your position from drivers behind you
Let's not forget, the amazing consistence Michael had. 17 races 11 wins, 5x2nd, 1x3rd, finishing every single race on the podium. It wasn't an exciting season, but then 2003 brought some great action, before Ferrari created their best car ever the F2004, which funnily was so fast already at the first tests, that they thought their timing equipment was faulty.
When I see M.Schumacher and I listening that engine is a dream.... Only one car with one driver in F1 history... No mercy for everyone... Go Micheal go!!!!
Wrong. What the new cars have in size / weight, is offset by the down force those extra elements provide. So, while the older cars may well have been faster in a straight line (debatable), the current cars are much more rapid on the turns and through high grip scenarios, which means they are faster overall
I miss that straightaway just before the final turn, the one they ruined with a chicane (yes I know it was for safety). I was at the 2006 Spanish GP, the last year they raced without the chicane. I was near the start/finish line and watching the cars go around that corner was amazing, like they were just bouncing off of a wall and down the main straight. Fernando Alonso won the race that year in the Mild Seven Renault. The crowd went wild, everyone was celebrating!
@@lukewood2662 "You can't force people to smoke". Yeah, thats what the law says. Or you think commercial is just about making meme and not money from ppl who will smoke?
I thought the same thing, but it's because in 2002 there wasn't a chicane at the end of the circuit, and that's why they had more speed when they reached curve 1
@@johnhodgetts6617 why lol? I'm not criticizing the video. The OP said the 2002 car looks faster ont he straights, but there's no proof of it, and that is what I mean
the steering in 2002 was a lot harder, you can see the movements on his steeringwheel, while 2020 he looks like he is chilling in his ferrari on sunset boulevard
Imagine how much better the F2004 would've been. For the newbs who think the hybrids are faster in a straightline, the straights and sect 1 prove otherwise. The V10s had grooved tires, are far smaller floor in comparison, shorter wheel base, no boost, and 1 less gear. Considering it took all of those advantages in addition to 20 years of aero and tech innovations, the hybrid is rather unimpressive considering how close the overall gap was. Put a bigger floor and slicks on the V10 alone would shave probably 2 or more sec off the lap time. Put slicks and more effective floor on a F2004 and it may actually be faster around the track.
@@razorr_o With all due respect I am a racing instructor with 20 years experience teaching Formula Atlantic and Formula Ford. Gear ratios do not work like. F1 cars all have very aggressive gearing (optimized for brutal acceleration/reasonably short) The F2004 1st gear ratio was so short that drivers could not use more than half throttle until reaching 2nd because the wheels would just lose traction. It was not long nor was the gear ratio anywhere near top gear ratios in current cars. This can be viewed very easily by watching side-by-side comparisons of current and V10 cars running laps. Your claim is completely unfounded and nothing more than personal opinion.
@@KaDuWin no, the F2004 had an incredibly long 1ST gear compared to the 8speed we have now, and also the F2004 had TCS, so i don't know what onboard you're viewing, but it sure isn't real!
Also the 2020 Ferrari was one of the slowest vehicles on the grid in 2020, compare the F2004 and Mercedes W11 (both made by the most funded constructors at their respective eras) and put it on ANY circuit that demands even the smallest of aero, if you didn't know the W11 had the fastest F1 lap ever average speed wise, and it was at, guess what, MONZA!!! The "Temple of Speed" they call it. On any aero demanding circuit the slicks and improved floor would NOT make it faster than the 2020 cars, which are widely considered the fastest F1 cars in history.
@@Timpanii I race and instruct in Formula Atlantic and Fords slicks can easily scrub 2-5 sec off a lap time (conservatively) add more advanced aero and the F2004 would absolutely be faster. Its not opinion either, I've been doing this 20 years and have first hand experience. The Mercedes as fast as it was had no real threats from a mostly handicapped grid. The F2004 was perfected earlier in its development but as the majority of the V10 era showed, multiple manufacturers had very competitive cars. I lived through both eras and know my statements are backed up by historical statistics and facts, NOT FEELINGS or OPINIONS. Btw the fastest top speed and laptime was r3corded by Juan Pablo Montoya 1.5 decades before Raikkonen beat it by a couple hundredths of a sec in 2018. Consider Montoya had 7 gears vs Raikkonen's 8, he had grooved tires vs Raikkonen's slicks, he had outdated aero vs Raikkonen's much more recent aero advancements.
@@KaDuWin “average speed”, what do you not get about that? Not highest speed recorded, if you want to be exact about that, the 2014 Williams and Force India driven by Valtteri Bottas and Sergio Pérez reached 378 and 370km/h, also the advanced aero you say wouldn’t work with the original design of the car. They’d need to redesign the vehicle. Also the lack of safety features greatly reduce the weight of the vehicle compared to nowadays. By your logic. If we can unrestrict the F2004 why don’t we unrestrict the W11? Remove the halo, remove all unnecessary safety features. And compare it by then.
@@undertakergarfield I hate all these people who think the old cars are so much better, and say "oh just give it drs and slicks and add turbo!" which would make the car be redesigned and still would be slower lol
@@Timpanii yeah, 2020 cars weigh 150kg more than 2002 cars (750kg vs 600kg), a lot of this extra weight is due to safety devices, like heavier rollbars (for example the Halo weigh 9kg). In a circuit like Barcelona 10kg more means slowing down by 3 tenths (150 more are 4.5 seconds). 2020 cars could use only 3 engine per season, in 2002 Ferrari used an engine for the qualifying and one different for the race, every race (and Bridgestone designed their tires specifically for Ferrari). Anyway the 2020 pole position was 1.15.584, the 2002 pole position was 1.16.364.
No it’s the aerodynamics but mostly the suspension and the brakes. Today the cars don’t brake in front of the corner, they able to brake into the corner. They brake today at the point where the old cars already releasing the pedal and went for power.
Firstly, Miss you Michael!!! ❤️❤️❤️ Get well soon!!! 🎉 Secondly, that 2002 Ferrari caught up pretty quickly without that chicane at turn 13. Also, for the first few turns the 2002 Ferrari looked much faster going into the corners than coming out.
I think those shorter-wheelbase cars turned and pivoted more quickly than the newer cars. The 2021 cars have so much downforce, it's like watching a video game. That makes them slow down better, as well.
Ok, but 2020 f1 used only 3 engine (with limited power) per season, a 2020 f1 car weight 150kg more than a 2002 car (a lot of these kilos are safety device). And Bridgestone made specific tires for Ferrari, there wasn't a single supplier that made the tires and the cars had to adapt to them.
When I went to the GP last year they did a comparison between a 2019 car and an old Cosworth V10 engine and omg it's insane you can hear it coming the whole way. When it passed you could smell and taste the fuel and almost feel the shock waves and then the V6 came past and I barely heard it after the V10 😂
@@niall21 yet you can only handle a 4 second improvement and that's more due to aerodynamics and better tires than engine output what truly massive leap forward yes it's why in the normal world many seek the older more reliable engines capable of far far more output spare us new is better bullshit
@@michaelkeha How much less fuel do they use? How much more thermally efficient are the engines? There's a lot more to it than lap times lol no need to be so aggressive
@@michaelkeha plus, if you think about it, the actual records from 2007-2020, where the track layout was the same, was 6 seconds. That's like 8%. The cars have gotten a lot faster.
Look at the steering input...its like guy on the right is some teen driving his daddys Fiat Doblo around the town and then theres the real driver on the left screen. TY Schumacher for all the races u did. Thats some real skill and balls of steel. 🏎🏎🏎
@@Miles7955 but has more speed and power than the 1 on the left. so the point of a f1 car is more speed or more sound? you want louder and slower cars?lol
@@adnanadi9898 I'm not sure where you're getting your data from. Yes the current F1's have 1000hp tops, compared to the 2002 Ferrari with 835hp, however the older cars are 150kg lighter. This all said, the reason they were as you put it; "slower" was because the 02 season mandated the use of grooved slicks, and aero was no where NEAR as advanced as it was today. Don't believe me? Go get an 02, put the new Pirelli's on it, and fit something similar to current day F1 aero on it, and and I bet it would match, if not go faster than the current cars, with an amazing soundtrack to boot!
Nobody talks about how smooth the tracks are now or how the tyres are better (slicks) nowadays because of rule changes. The car looks alot easier to drive aswell :)
People don't realise that the V10 era cars were using nearly twice as much fuel and having less horsepower. With the ban of re-fueling, they'd need to start the race with like 180kg and still need to fuel save, lift off and coast.
@@strammerdetlef You don't understand racing and the maths behind it. A race isn't always about full sprint speed at all times. It's about finishing the race in the shortest time. A marathon runner does not go out full sprint in the first 200m. You can put in 200kg of fuel in a race car, and not save fuel at all, going full throttle. Or you can put in 180kg of fuel, in hope there will be a safety car, and in worst case scenario you lift and coast at the end of straights. The lighter car will be 0.6s a lap faster. Even if it coasts at the end of straights, it will still lap faster.
@@strammerdetlef you still don't get it do you? the lighter car will be faster the heavier car, and still be faster even if it coasts at the end of straights because it gains time in all the corners and acceleration phrases. May I ask, are you the type of guy who watches WWE because it looks like it's wrestling and they are going all out, even if it isn't actual fighting.
Same, people can talk about the technical shit all they want, don't care. There's more to racing than just winning, and same goes as being a fan. Motorsport just isn't the same with these newer cars.
@@YouWillNeverKnow What there is more to racing is being clever and efficient with state of the art engineering. Not who makes the coolest sound, can you understand this?
Yes, that has been one of the great steps backwards in F1, and it's something that nobody talks about. 20 years ago, the mistakes of the drivers were penalized, if you left the track you paid for it (not with a serious accident, but with a withdrawal or with many time lost). Now the drivers can put the 4 wheels off the track and nothing happens, and if they make a mistake there is asphalt outside, and they simply go back to track with no penalty. Formula 1 in recent years has lowered a lot the required level of driving, in my opinion.
We can see there’s less work with the steering wheel at the 2020 Ferrari. Suspension technology, tires, aerodynamics... Almost 20 years of evolution! However, that V-10 sound is absolutely priceless! ❤️
Exactly, this is why M.Schumacher is the original goat, he developed that Ferrari and he had to drive harder, only way to see who is the "goat" is to stick Hamilton into Schumacher's 1995 Benetton and that will show people.
Vettel is a great driver but based on this video you can really see how much harder it looks like driving an older F1 car. The steering inputs aren't as smooth during corner.
@l̼̓ Well,new cars have better aero and run on slicks while 2002. cars had very good aero but ran on grooved tires.Just try to imagine what time would it be with super soft slicks-i'd say 2-3 seconds faster,since super soft is fastest tire.
@@phrosties8034 And??? Do you watch racing to see ppl lives being saved? I watch because it used to be dangerous and took balls to do it, if I wanted to have some fun I would go watch tennis, not open wheel racing...
Main thing is downforce cause one thing people forget is that the early 2000s cars weigh like140 kilos less than the 2020 cars and that’s a HUGE difference
Those V10 engine melodies , Braver Heart needed to drive the less Safer chassis , more loved & cherished Superstar Drivers ... How much we missed those Pre~2008 F1 races ... Thank You for the Fond Memories! 🕯🌷🌿
I would argue that achieving similar performance with a simpler system, is a lot more advanced than achieving it with a complex one. Added elements and complexity is the illusion of advancement.
@@luisesteves911 yes, v6 has hybrid system that increase acceleration for corner exit. But straight line speed between v10 with 8th gear and v6 in 8th, v10 will be more faster.
@@kktuco9963 It's because 2020 cars have way more downforce, that means more drag. If you take away TC from 2002 car or add TC to 2020 car it will be much different story
@@michamarczuk1420 TC actually makes the cars slower, however, they make the drivers less prone to mistakes. The V10 era cars however were so quick and powerful that without traction control most drivers in a racing incident would spin the damn thing.
@_SilverArrow_xxx schumacher did better time , even with chicane , and in relax mode in preseason , still f1, technology in 20 years has make this cars a master piece against that old cars, but when then it can make a better lap , so yes schumacher was better and after sena is the best f1 pilot there have existed
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The trees grew nicely
Until i saw your comment i didn't catch that amazing how much they have grown
Tree also need space to live
@@muhammadamirulfarhan8969 all the time you have to leave a space!
RageMuffin five seconds is a yoke, A YOKE!!!
they get a lot of co2 for proper photosynthesis
That V10 sound, absolutely legendary.
Sounds like a vacuum cleaner
@@ZR1Terror modern V6 sounds like a blender. And not even a good blender.
@@cinegraphics They sound like a buffed up lawnmower
@@ZR1Terror porque voce nao escutou um pessoalmente KKKKKKKK
The V10 is all I could hear.
I'd happily sacrifice 4 seconds a lap just to have that noise back on track
Dave McKeegan The 2 don’t really correlate.... and going back to v10’s would be a HUGE step backwards as it goes against what F1 is all about..
@@ballaking1000 I know they aren't related and you could easily put V10's in the current cars and have the best of both worlds
For me Formula 1 has always been about being the pinnacle of motorsport but with the rule changes of recent years to shift to being greener has taken the spark away from it all ... Not to mention that if they want to make F1 greener they could stop making teams fly tonnes of gear all over the world into the middle of random deserts that no one goes to.
@@ballaking1000 whatever. V12, V10, V8 are the true sound of F1.
@@AR-cz8lk ok boomer
God no, they were awful.
You can see Michaels micro corrections in every turn, constantly testing the limits. True genius, miss him so much.
True, that is so true.
thats down to the cars. Cars these days are extremely stable.
Michael was an amazing driver, but the corrections was because of the car, and different types of tires than in today's cars. They were very different. If you go back a few years more, F1 cars were basically drifting through corners because they used harder tires and that was the fastest way to go around corners. Nowadays the inputs have to be very smooth. The way you're supposed to drive today's cars and cars from that time are very different.
Every driver had to do corrections almost every corner back then.
Every driver did those in that era, nothing special in that.
Miss these old days M. Schumacher with that red car! 😢
😔😔
😭😭😭
🥺
and marlboro sticker :)
@@franfinesim TRUE!! 🥺
Put on F-2002 drs and total slick and it will fly on the moon!
Put V10 turbo and it will reach light speed
Take TC off the V10 and it will fly into a barrier if it tries to do half the speeds that the V6 does thru turns
Take 200kg off the modern F1 car...
And make it 2 meters wide instead of 1.8 meters wide!
Limit its fuel flow to 100kg/h then
V10 is best sound ever!!!
V12
@@romanivanovich6717 V10 !
V12
V 10
I agree the v10 was that sweet spot which I like over the v12 and v8's.
That v10 sounds superb even after 18 years
You can't improve upon perfection. 👍🏽
F1 managed to ruin everything.
@@cinegraphics yeah but make much faster cars much more efficient engines and more reliable
@@dbabu51 Who cares about efficiency and reliability in motorsport. Kinda boring.
@@dbabu51 to be honest that ruined F1 a lot. Back in those days overtaking was difficult for sure but unreliability, pitstop strategies and fuel refueling made up for the disadvantage of other teams and allowed inferior teams to catch up and win.
Today cars are too relialable and predictable. Strongest teams remains basically unchallenged.
ERS and DRS, introduced to improve track overtaking, simply eliminated the difficulty to overtake. If I'm behind you with a slightly more charged battery and DRS open, I'll catch up to you and overtake you with sheer velocity and power and no skill.
Nowadays the skill is not in overtaking but in defending your position from drivers behind you
That needle at 18k rpm on that v10....perfection
Let's not forget, the amazing consistence Michael had. 17 races 11 wins, 5x2nd, 1x3rd, finishing every single race on the podium. It wasn't an exciting season, but then 2003 brought some great action, before Ferrari created their best car ever the F2004, which funnily was so fast already at the first tests, that they thought their timing equipment was faulty.
yea, it was so fast that bar honda finished second just because sato crash his car half races, if he didn't, honda would be #1
Deffo a comedian
@@402roadrunner what the hell?
and then there's Max 19/22 wins in 2023😂😂😂
Kimi in 2020: The Sound... is it on? Or not?
No Kimi, u will not have the sound :/
for what⁉️
@@harryji3356 I don't know when but it's from team radio
@@wad6564 😂😂
It's emptying the noises
No Kimi, u will not have the drink
When I see M.Schumacher and I listening that engine is a dream.... Only one car with one driver in F1 history... No mercy for everyone... Go Micheal go!!!!
It wasn't Michael Schumacher in this video, but Rubens Barrichello.
@@alainrogez8485 you wrong
@@carmeloscimone8203 it is written Rubens Barrichello in the left!!
@@alainrogez8485 only because Barrichello had the fast lap but is Micheal who drive to keep the pole position
@@carmeloscimone8203 all my apologies.
They say that with slick tyres, the older cars would be about 4 seconds quicker. New cars are just too heavy
And too wide.
Wrong.
What the new cars have in size / weight, is offset by the down force those extra elements provide. So, while the older cars may well have been faster in a straight line (debatable), the current cars are much more rapid on the turns and through high grip scenarios, which means they are faster overall
old f1 use 3l engine now they use 1.6l
@@alcoholeague6705 Doesn't matter, new cars still output nearly 1000bhp at the wheels.
@@jasperfk And twice as much torque.
V12 sounds good, but the 2000's is when I started to watch f1 so v10 is just sweet, everything sounds better then v6 hybrid...
I’m totally not an F1 fan, but I was absolutely glued to this video, start to finish. That sound. Mesmerising!
Italian Operetta.
Do kubica Williams 2019 vs kubica Alfa Romeo 2020
its already on youtube dude
Kimi Rayan oh LOL!
@@jeshkam watch?v=4JFJ5-AR0TQ
@@raptor7364 It's deleted
@@raptor7364 thats not a link lol
1:12 HE CUT THE CHICKEN
Nguyen Duc Hung *CHIKEN
HE HAVE TO GIMME BACC THE POZITION
@@fel24thecat where is palmer??🤣🤣
Huh... Fernando, Palmer has retired.
KARMA
this is when you realize the v6 sounds like a vacuum cleaner
its even worse in compare of my moms vacuum cleaner ...
with the electric motor going they sound like golf go carts.
it actually sounds like a food blender on high speed setting
@OriginalFake wrong
Haha funny joke and have you seen the mosquitos? I think there’s one in the video
I miss that straightaway just before the final turn, the one they ruined with a chicane (yes I know it was for safety). I was at the 2006 Spanish GP, the last year they raced without the chicane. I was near the start/finish line and watching the cars go around that corner was amazing, like they were just bouncing off of a wall and down the main straight. Fernando Alonso won the race that year in the Mild Seven Renault. The crowd went wild, everyone was celebrating!
it's gone now
Cool how Marlboro is still sponsoring Ferrari after all these years
Also, bring back the 18k revs
you can thank F.I.A. adopting the EU retarded regulations... God this continent sucks in all ways possible
Tell exactly how cool that is to the families of victims of lung cancer from these ruthless tobacco sponsors.
@@kenoneill8783 tobacco is killer trash, but you can't force people to smoke. If they smoke, it's on them.
@@lukewood2662 "You can't force people to smoke".
Yeah, thats what the law says. Or you think commercial is just about making meme and not money from ppl who will smoke?
@@АлёшаИнкогнитов If they smoke, unless they're at gun point, they chose it, so it's on them.
sounds like my mum with the vacuum cleaner while i was watching F1!!
Yeah, the 2020 version is the vacuum cleaner :)
@@cinegraphics haha v6 vacuum haha not like that's been repeated for the last 6 years
I just spit my coffee 🤣🤣🤣🤣
U idiots, newer are better
@@A-BYTE64 not always ~
I cant even hear sound of 2020
Its there, you'll notice it if you listen carefully. Sounds like mom's old vacuum cleaner
They need to complie with the noise regulations xD
1000 horse power vacuum cleaner
try volume to max
@@sebastiaomendonca1477 your mom must of had one hell of a vacuum cleaner then...
2002 looked faster at the start and then the 2020 stepped in in the corners, sheesh... hella quicker
I thought the same thing, but it's because in 2002 there wasn't a chicane at the end of the circuit, and that's why they had more speed when they reached curve 1
They didn't even put the cars starting from the same position in this video lol
@@andreadg5429 Read the description dude
@@johnhodgetts6617 why lol? I'm not criticizing the video. The OP said the 2002 car looks faster ont he straights, but there's no proof of it, and that is what I mean
@@andreadg5429 nah, just at the start, given a higher speed entry on the start of the lap, that would make sense why
the steering in 2002 was a lot harder, you can see the movements on his steeringwheel, while 2020 he looks like he is chilling in his ferrari on sunset boulevard
Yes it's become easier and a lot safer but he's obviously not chilling on sunset boulevard.
@@kilomisterr he isn't bing chilling
Imagine how much better the F2004 would've been. For the newbs who think the hybrids are faster in a straightline, the straights and sect 1 prove otherwise. The V10s had grooved tires, are far smaller floor in comparison, shorter wheel base, no boost, and 1 less gear. Considering it took all of those advantages in addition to 20 years of aero and tech innovations, the hybrid is rather unimpressive considering how close the overall gap was. Put a bigger floor and slicks on the V10 alone would shave probably 2 or more sec off the lap time. Put slicks and more effective floor on a F2004 and it may actually be faster around the track.
@@razorr_o With all due respect I am a racing instructor with 20 years experience teaching Formula Atlantic and Formula Ford. Gear ratios do not work like. F1 cars all have very aggressive gearing (optimized for brutal acceleration/reasonably short) The F2004 1st gear ratio was so short that drivers could not use more than half throttle until reaching 2nd because the wheels would just lose traction. It was not long nor was the gear ratio anywhere near top gear ratios in current cars. This can be viewed very easily by watching side-by-side comparisons of current and V10 cars running laps. Your claim is completely unfounded and nothing more than personal opinion.
@@KaDuWin no, the F2004 had an incredibly long 1ST gear compared to the 8speed we have now, and also the F2004 had TCS, so i don't know what onboard you're viewing, but it sure isn't real!
Also the 2020 Ferrari was one of the slowest vehicles on the grid in 2020, compare the F2004 and Mercedes W11 (both made by the most funded constructors at their respective eras) and put it on ANY circuit that demands even the smallest of aero, if you didn't know the W11 had the fastest F1 lap ever average speed wise, and it was at, guess what, MONZA!!! The "Temple of Speed" they call it. On any aero demanding circuit the slicks and improved floor would NOT make it faster than the 2020 cars, which are widely considered the fastest F1 cars in history.
@@Timpanii I race and instruct in Formula Atlantic and Fords slicks can easily scrub 2-5 sec off a lap time (conservatively) add more advanced aero and the F2004 would absolutely be faster. Its not opinion either, I've been doing this 20 years and have first hand experience. The Mercedes as fast as it was had no real threats from a mostly handicapped grid. The F2004 was perfected earlier in its development but as the majority of the V10 era showed, multiple manufacturers had very competitive cars. I lived through both eras and know my statements are backed up by historical statistics and facts, NOT FEELINGS or OPINIONS.
Btw the fastest top speed and laptime was r3corded by Juan Pablo Montoya 1.5 decades before Raikkonen beat it by a couple hundredths of a sec in 2018. Consider Montoya had 7 gears vs Raikkonen's 8, he had grooved tires vs Raikkonen's slicks, he had outdated aero vs Raikkonen's much more recent aero advancements.
@@KaDuWin “average speed”, what do you not get about that? Not highest speed recorded, if you want to be exact about that, the 2014 Williams and Force India driven by Valtteri Bottas and Sergio Pérez reached 378 and 370km/h, also the advanced aero you say wouldn’t work with the original design of the car. They’d need to redesign the vehicle. Also the lack of safety features greatly reduce the weight of the vehicle compared to nowadays. By your logic. If we can unrestrict the F2004 why don’t we unrestrict the W11? Remove the halo, remove all unnecessary safety features. And compare it by then.
20 years of difference... More power, more technology, better wheels... The differennce is not the car, is the pilot! Schumacher THE LEGEND
well, turn 10 has been changed and in the last turn there was no chicane earlier, so the todays cars are much faster ;)
@@undertakergarfield I hate all these people who think the old cars are so much better, and say "oh just give it drs and slicks and add turbo!" which would make the car be redesigned and still would be slower lol
@@Timpanii no, it wouldn't lol
@@Timpanii yeah, 2020 cars weigh 150kg more than 2002 cars (750kg vs 600kg), a lot of this extra weight is due to safety devices, like heavier rollbars (for example the Halo weigh 9kg). In a circuit like Barcelona 10kg more means slowing down by 3 tenths (150 more are 4.5 seconds). 2020 cars could use only 3 engine per season, in 2002 Ferrari used an engine for the qualifying and one different for the race, every race (and Bridgestone designed their tires specifically for Ferrari).
Anyway the 2020 pole position was 1.15.584, the 2002 pole position was 1.16.364.
No it’s the aerodynamics but mostly the suspension and the brakes. Today the cars don’t brake in front of the corner, they able to brake into the corner. They brake today at the point where the old cars already releasing the pedal and went for power.
V10 18k Rpm
the best engine ~
Would be interesting to see the 2004 Ferrari versus the 2019 Ferrari. Michael Schumacher did a 01:15,022 without chicane in 2004.
Firstly, Miss you Michael!!! ❤️❤️❤️ Get well soon!!! 🎉
Secondly, that 2002 Ferrari caught up pretty quickly without that chicane at turn 13. Also, for the first few turns the 2002 Ferrari looked much faster going into the corners than coming out.
he will never get well again
I think those shorter-wheelbase cars turned and pivoted more quickly than the newer cars. The 2021 cars have so much downforce, it's like watching a video game. That makes them slow down better, as well.
@@nicholastotoro7721 The extra downforce gave them greater top speeds even with a smaller PU.
It was because the old layout didn’t have a chicane at the end. Just a couple of flat out right handers.
Also, the tires plays a major role. Currently, slicks compared to the grooved tires in 2002.
Ok, but 2020 f1 used only 3 engine (with limited power) per season, a 2020 f1 car weight 150kg more than a 2002 car (a lot of these kilos are safety device). And Bridgestone made specific tires for Ferrari, there wasn't a single supplier that made the tires and the cars had to adapt to them.
2002 track looks awesome. Turn 10 looks super fast and fun
Barcelona has changed a lot since 2008,so the lap times are not comparable...
Yes I think 6th one replaced. Its not wide anymore but 2020 cars are disgusting.
that exhaust from 2002 😍😍😍
I love that all you can pretty much hear is that nice v10...music to my ears
one of the few i saw before i started following F1
Also keep in mind that they extended the main straight with 300m I think.
Extended*
No, they didn't.
@@echipuosaperlo they did.
@@ianisw.556 no, they didn't, that was hungaroring.
echipuosaperlo yea they did, but i believe it was only 100m not 300
2020 Ferrari be like: they had us in the first half not gonna lie😂😂
When I went to the GP last year they did a comparison between a 2019 car and an old Cosworth V10 engine and omg it's insane you can hear it coming the whole way. When it passed you could smell and taste the fuel and almost feel the shock waves and then the V6 came past and I barely heard it after the V10 😂
So, having Schumacher is equivalent to 18 years of development !
He got a 1:16.364, to the 2020 1:16.841 !
But he did not have chicane 13, it was installed in 2006.
Schumacher was going 2.2 seconds slower but how it didn't have the Chicsne that time he gained it back
without a chicane and with a car that weigh 150kg less (in Barcelona 10kg are 3 tenths, 150 kg are 4.5 seconds)
I would love to see a special season with the naturally aspirated V10s.
Best set-up, old engine new chasis, period.
with a little power increase because the v10's only made 900 hp and the turbo v6's around a 1000 hp
Why aren’t they playing sound from 2020 video?
Oh wait they are
We don't see a progression - we see the results of different technical rules.
I mean, the new engines are far more technologically superior. I'd say there's a ton of progression.
@@niall21 yet you can only handle a 4 second improvement and that's more due to aerodynamics and better tires than engine output what truly massive leap forward yes it's why in the normal world many seek the older more reliable engines capable of far far more output spare us new is better bullshit
@@michaelkeha How much less fuel do they use? How much more thermally efficient are the engines? There's a lot more to it than lap times lol no need to be so aggressive
@@michaelkeha plus, if you think about it, the actual records from 2007-2020, where the track layout was the same, was 6 seconds. That's like 8%. The cars have gotten a lot faster.
@@niall21 Jesus I'd hope there was progression after 18 years.
Look at the steering input...its like guy on the right is some teen driving his daddys Fiat Doblo around the town and then theres the real driver on the left screen. TY Schumacher for all the races u did. Thats some real skill and balls of steel. 🏎🏎🏎
That 4 seconds adds up over a race. And the effect on the tires probably help with the lighter engine. But I still like the sound of the v10
That sound you miss it so much.
@sennadasilva11 The high frequency also really hurts my ears after some time
2002 Ferrari doing its best 2019 Williams impression!
So it only took Williams 17 years to match the 2002 Ferrari. That's impressive.
No audio for the video on the right 😏
There is, its just that much quieter than the old V10's.
@@Miles7955 yes exactly, I was kidding.
@@Miles7955 but has more speed and power than the 1 on the left. so the point of a f1 car is more speed or more sound? you want louder and slower cars?lol
@@adnanadi9898 I'm not sure where you're getting your data from. Yes the current F1's have 1000hp tops, compared to the 2002 Ferrari with 835hp, however the older cars are 150kg lighter.
This all said, the reason they were as you put it; "slower" was because the 02 season mandated the use of grooved slicks, and aero was no where NEAR as advanced as it was today.
Don't believe me? Go get an 02, put the new Pirelli's on it, and fit something similar to current day F1 aero on it, and and I bet it would match, if not go faster than the current cars, with an amazing soundtrack to boot!
Those straight line speeds of 2002 car are insane but aero and tyres have made new cars so much more insane on corners
Parece que corre más el 2002 y el sonido del motor es genial
The sound of the V10 is just...WOW !!! The best sound if you compare with 2021.
Nobody's going to talk about how much the track has changed?
There's less grass and more curbs compared to 2002.
Schumacher was a pure genius. probably the most complete driver ever
no, the guy you talk about, is yuri, boyka.
Ayrton Senna 😏
Nobody talks about how smooth the tracks are now or how the tyres are better (slicks) nowadays because of rule changes. The car looks alot easier to drive aswell :)
People don't realise that the V10 era cars were using nearly twice as much fuel and having less horsepower. With the ban of re-fueling, they'd need to start the race with like 180kg and still need to fuel save, lift off and coast.
which is exactly what should not be in a RACE
@@strammerdetlef You don't understand racing and the maths behind it. A race isn't always about full sprint speed at all times. It's about finishing the race in the shortest time. A marathon runner does not go out full sprint in the first 200m. You can put in 200kg of fuel in a race car, and not save fuel at all, going full throttle. Or you can put in 180kg of fuel, in hope there will be a safety car, and in worst case scenario you lift and coast at the end of straights. The lighter car will be 0.6s a lap faster. Even if it coasts at the end of straights, it will still lap faster.
yeah u are the type of guy who watches "endurance" races lol @@DonLee1980
@@strammerdetlef you still don't get it do you? the lighter car will be faster the heavier car, and still be faster even if it coasts at the end of straights because it gains time in all the corners and acceleration phrases. May I ask, are you the type of guy who watches WWE because it looks like it's wrestling and they are going all out, even if it isn't actual fighting.
@@DonLee1980 yeah go watch ur marathon 😂
Try this with 2019 williams please
Šone Škoda Williams vs Williams?
@@theperformancereviewchannel yeah
@@niclaslgaal1800 I think the results would be pretty depressing for Williams
WileyDean either way the older car will still be slower.
Prati se i F1?😂
Meh... give me that screaming V10 over that flat sounding V6 any day.
Same, people can talk about the technical shit all they want, don't care. There's more to racing than just winning, and same goes as being a fan. Motorsport just isn't the same with these newer cars.
@@YouWillNeverKnow What there is more to racing is being clever and efficient with state of the art engineering. Not who makes the coolest sound, can you understand this?
No. It is draining the drivers ears. I would rather that they make no sound so they can actually pay attention.
@@lampoilropebombs0640 No
Exactly... It's not Formula 1 without the sound!! If it's electric, then go watch Formula E...
Os pneus com maior área de contato , da atual geração de carros ,ajudam muito !
Shumy was Unbeatble..sorry x the others....we miss you ❤️😞. .
The pros would see how many minute under and oversteer corrections Schumacher was making fighting with the car , compared with kiwi's fluid steering!
at least someone realized that difference ...
0:57 This turn on the current circuit is also garbage. Doesn’t do anything for overtaking.
For 2021 they're bringing the 2002 layout back
Aww I miss the old tracks!! Grass everywhere!!
Yes, that has been one of the great steps backwards in F1, and it's something that nobody talks about. 20 years ago, the mistakes of the drivers were penalized, if you left the track you paid for it (not with a serious accident, but with a withdrawal or with many time lost). Now the drivers can put the 4 wheels off the track and nothing happens, and if they make a mistake there is asphalt outside, and they simply go back to track with no penalty.
Formula 1 in recent years has lowered a lot the required level of driving, in my opinion.
@@jmstorrealba2711 agreed 👍.. for the old guys to get hard on the throttle knowing they only had inches to play with on exit used to blow my mind.
I mean let's get real.
The driver on the left if 100x better than the driver on the right. That's the real difference.
That true ....🤣
Vettel won 4 championships wdym
We can see there’s less work with the steering wheel at the 2020 Ferrari. Suspension technology, tires, aerodynamics... Almost 20 years of evolution!
However, that V-10 sound is absolutely priceless! ❤️
Exactly, this is why M.Schumacher is the original goat, he developed that Ferrari and he had to drive harder, only way to see who is the "goat" is to stick Hamilton into Schumacher's 1995 Benetton and that will show people.
Vettel is a great driver but based on this video you can really see how much harder it looks like driving an older F1 car. The steering inputs aren't as smooth during corner.
The sound of a masterpiece the v10...
V6 are lighter yes. But v10 singing at 18000 rpm is priceless.
the V6 turbo hybrid isn't lighter than the V10 lmao
So basically this year’s ferrari is slower than the 2002 model
have we watched the same video? 2002 was 2 seconds behind at the 2nd sector
@@yellayam are you serious?
@@mokyaffe yeah but total time was still better. Different aero and tires make a huge difference
@@mokyaffe better aero
@l̼̓ Well,new cars have better aero and run on slicks while 2002. cars had very good aero but ran on grooved tires.Just try to imagine what time would it be with super soft slicks-i'd say 2-3 seconds faster,since super soft is fastest tire.
Always nice to see 18 years of development brought us the Halo...
18 years ago and Romain would’ve died without the halo.
@@phrosties8034 6 years ago. Not even 18
@@phrosties8034 And????
@@gus931 the halo tech actually saved people multiple times. It’s stupid to complain about the halo at this point
@@phrosties8034 And??? Do you watch racing to see ppl lives being saved? I watch because it used to be dangerous and took balls to do it, if I wanted to have some fun I would go watch tennis, not open wheel racing...
the torque out of slower corners of the hybrid car is staggering, as is the high speed carried thru fast corners.
if schumi V10 era had DRS,the lap time 1:16:3 might becomes 1:15/1:14...WHAT A SOUND!!!SCHUMI MY ALL TIME AND FOREVER CHAMP!!!
Love the f2002 sound😍😍😍🤤🤤🤤
I'd love to have the v10's scream......... combined with the 2020 car's performance!!!!!!
The Sf1000 IS TRASH
@@michaelschumacher3701 2018's car then!!😉👍
@@eddie-g2143 agree :)
@@michaelschumacher3701 you are right...SF 1000 is completely TRASH!!!🤔🤔
Love the sound F1 2002 😍🥰😍🥰
Main thing is downforce cause one thing people forget is that the early 2000s cars weigh like140 kilos less than the 2020 cars and that’s a HUGE difference
I’m glad they implemented the halos into the cars, it’s saved many lives
This video makes me sad. We dont look F1 whos drive the best time. We need Emotion.
Emotion is V12. V10 is an overrated mosquito enginie .
World feels suck anyway. Don`t you see ? In 2000`s world was better.
@@hunterwithashblossom2131 Both are awesome V12 and V10
I just want to Hamilton driving a Williams and Giovinagi a Mercedes! Then we will see who is the best driver
@@vdLeo-je6os Same XD
Дааа, тогда был настоящий звук Ф1 !!!
Isso era o som de um F1👏
You can clearly see that the 2020 one has much better graphics, lightning and ambient occlusion.
Tires are different... Impossible to compare like that. I Miss to watch Schumi racing
cool vs boring
2002....pure sound😍
2020...metal box🤮
Old school.... 👍
Those V10 engine melodies , Braver Heart needed to drive the less Safer chassis , more loved & cherished Superstar Drivers ... How much we missed those Pre~2008 F1 races ... Thank You for the Fond Memories! 🕯🌷🌿
I see Schumaker with a 116.3 and Vettel with a 116.8. What am I missing here
There’s a chicane that’s been added so Schumacher didn’t have to negotiate it but Vettel did.
@@nimrodrdc Ahhh, that makes sense, thanks Mike.
It’s not the same track layout fools
2002 Ferrari
Wwwooowww
Very Very good the sound engine 2002, this is F 1
I would argue that achieving similar performance with a simpler system, is a lot more advanced than achieving it with a complex one. Added elements and complexity is the illusion of advancement.
El sonido del motor de la 2002 es mucho más agresivo y me encanta, combinar ese sonido y las mejoras en velocidad de la 2020 sería un éxtasis.
V10😍
Imagine 2020 aero on the v10
v6 hybrid has more power.....
@@luisesteves911 yes, v6 has hybrid system that increase acceleration for corner exit. But straight line speed between v10 with 8th gear and v6 in 8th, v10 will be more faster.
@@kktuco9963 It's because 2020 cars have way more downforce, that means more drag. If you take away TC from 2002 car or add TC to 2020 car it will be much different story
@@michamarczuk1420 TC actually makes the cars slower, however, they make the drivers less prone to mistakes. The V10 era cars however were so quick and powerful that without traction control most drivers in a racing incident would spin the damn thing.
Luis Esteves still no soul
New sounds are hella better imo
You should've done the 2004 Ferrari, still one of the fastest if not the fastest F1 cars.
Racing sound vs mower sound
Long live the V10
2002 fantástico. 2020 uma droga de aspirador de pó.
Quase nem da escutar o motor da Ferrari 2020 kkkk esse V10 era foda demais! Sdds da verdadeira F1
20 years of technology and even so schumacher was fastest.
so? still schumacher way better technology is bigger than a chicane use your brain.
@_SilverArrow_xxx i don't know, you tell me, but im sure your parents still love you don't worry.
@_SilverArrow_xxx schumacher did better time , even with chicane , and in relax mode in preseason , still f1, technology in 20 years has make this cars a master piece against that old cars, but when then it can make a better lap , so yes schumacher was better and after sena is the best f1 pilot there have existed
@_SilverArrow_xxx and the one insulting was you sir.
@l̼̓ that is exactly my point
Dude, this shut a lot of people, maybe we miss the V10 engines, but the evolution has made a lot of difference
I don't know what made a bigger impact for me. The insane speed or the insane engineering put on both F1 eras.