Incredible F1 Engines Sound Evolution (1950-Current) (V12 V10 V8 V6)

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  • @rubievale
    @rubievale 2 ปีที่แล้ว +471

    I went to my first Grand Prix in 99, in Austria, and wondered why everyone had industrial hearing protection with them. I assumed it was for the air show that preceeded the race, but when the first car hurtled past me with it's engine screaming and I felt the pressure waves hit my chest I realised that I'd seriously underestimated the volume of a race car's engine

    • @ILoveMySharks
      @ILoveMySharks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I wasn't born back then so I didn't hear them lol! Note: I love F1 so much and I'm only a 11 yr old kid

    • @danielriccardo6674
      @danielriccardo6674 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      100% I remember going to the 2000 Australian GP on the sunday and there was Sunday practice. People were chilling in the morning my dad put ear butts in my ear, 'I was like why? Trust me you'll thank me latter. I was like 😂 okay. People were looking at me weirdly then out of nowhere screaming set of v10 F1 cats come hurtling towards us into turn 3 people were scrambling and going wtf? Didn't check the program schedule. Granted they were going half throttle. But you could hear them over 25+ KMs away especially in windy conditions.

    • @danielriccardo6674
      @danielriccardo6674 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeah when those V10 screaming sound waves got you chest the amount of adrenaline and rush from just being there never ever felt like that

    • @F1ll1nTh3Blanks
      @F1ll1nTh3Blanks ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How's your ears.

    • @user-tu5wf5gh5t
      @user-tu5wf5gh5t ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I dont watch f1 but nascar the past 2 years has been LOUD it shakes the whole earth hearing 40 cars fly past at 190mph
      Edit: Online it says 100 decibels aka the sound of a lawn mower..... no way absolutely not a chance i went to a slower race last night and my ears are still ringing, i was sitting in row 40 of grandstands... i'd say if you were in the 1st row 140db-ish

  • @dafuzza
    @dafuzza ปีที่แล้ว +87

    The noise of the V10 is what i associate with F1 and my childhood.

  • @noneofyourbusiness1199
    @noneofyourbusiness1199 2 ปีที่แล้ว +288

    For me F1 peaked in the v10 era. The cars, the sound, the drivers. I still love f1, but for me it felt so much more exciting back then.

    • @JNST2023
      @JNST2023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Not to be blunt, but that's called nostalgia

    • @bort-
      @bort- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      This is how you know you're getting old. When you start to truly believe things in the past were better.

    • @Wen6543
      @Wen6543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@bort- I don´t know, some things are simply that good, of course that it depends on the personal taste. For me, in 20, 30, 40 years from now the 2012 season will be remembered as one of the bests of F1 history. And 2021 was just as good.

    • @MrJoromekiq1
      @MrJoromekiq1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Not the drivers. But the cars did

    • @F1ll1nTh3Blanks
      @F1ll1nTh3Blanks ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For me it's the 80-90's for a similar reason.

  • @turbo5483
    @turbo5483 ปีที่แล้ว +123

    V10 sounds amazing 👍 F1 will never be the same without it

    • @fra93ilgrande
      @fra93ilgrande ปีที่แล้ว

      Insanely hot 🥵💦😍

    • @dallisb1047
      @dallisb1047 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      66 90 91 and 2005

  • @mikecarswell7170
    @mikecarswell7170 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    V10s were just brutal, as a retired photographer, my favorite era

  • @Rakaindrasena3497
    @Rakaindrasena3497 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I love v 10 sound, best f1 engine sound ever

  • @_fiftyseven_
    @_fiftyseven_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +213

    Best sounding: V10
    Best performance: V6 Turbo Hybrid
    Best sound/performance: V8 era!

    • @F1Gamer
      @F1Gamer  3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Very True indeed

    • @OlympicSeason
      @OlympicSeason 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      agreed, loved the v8 eras versatility.

    • @theread3480
      @theread3480 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The V10 cars were faster than the V8’s tho

    • @_fiftyseven_
      @_fiftyseven_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@theread3480 cuz they were W I D E R

    • @headahhboi
      @headahhboi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      best sounding : v6 turbo hybrid****

  • @JB-dy2sq
    @JB-dy2sq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    The late V10 are my favourite but I do love all the V12s, V10s and the brilliant V8s. I adore the old V6 and BMW F1 turbo engines. Today's sounds like a old video game console sound.

  • @adamknight7041
    @adamknight7041 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Early 90's was the best with all the different engine configurations running at the same time which meant they all sounded and looked very different from one and other instead of roughly the same, my personal favourite noise was the V12 Ferrari's which sounded almost symphonic and used to have a beautiful wailing scream.

  • @EleanorPeterson
    @EleanorPeterson ปีที่แล้ว +12

    All engines sound superb when they're being pushed hard, but it's those shrieking 20,000rpm V-10s [5:20 etc.] that send shivers down my spine! 😁

  • @9TomaHawk6
    @9TomaHawk6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    I loved the typical 2005 sound, nowadays F1 sounds castrated

  • @ondraspendlik9759
    @ondraspendlik9759 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I love the sound of the Cosworth DFV, but my favorite sounding F1 engines are the V10s of the early and mid 2000s. It sounds great, unlike anything else (it's simply so synonymous with F1, at least for me, growing up in the era), plus the cars in my opinion looked fantastic. But so did the pre-2009 cars with V8s. I love those modern V8 sounds too, and honestly, I got used to the V6 Turbo Hybrids too, I think they sound very good too.

    • @damanera181
      @damanera181 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      v6 are a total junk. good only for who don't understand nothing about how a race car have to "sound"

  • @tylerensminger
    @tylerensminger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I know this is about the engines but I find it absolutely insane to see how little safety equipment Fangio had in that footage. Just goes to show hoe much things changed and how much those drivers really were gutsy to do what they did back in the day

    • @FeelMetalMan
      @FeelMetalMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      when the camera faced him I wished he had a cigarette hanging

    • @rafaelalandrade
      @rafaelalandrade ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@standopowah So, cars that had a top speed of 180mph and could do 0-60mph in four seconds were "not fast enough to need much safety"? And that is for the very first F1 cars in 1950, the one driven by Fangio in that video was outputting 50 more horsepower, and could likely approach 200mph.

    • @rafaelalandrade
      @rafaelalandrade ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@standopowah Sure they did. There's an interview with Nelson Piquet where he says the cars in the late 50s were just about as fast in the big straights as the cars he was driving in the mid-80s.
      The big difference between them was how fast the more modern cars were in the turns. Because of the tyres being much wider and the cars having more downforce, 80s cars could be sometimes even twice as fast as the old cars when turning. That explains why lap times were cut so drastically in the 70s and 80s.
      Also, the biggest reason for pilot deaths in F1 throughout the 50s, 60s, and even early 70s, was lack of a seat belt. When you crashed, you were 95% likely to be thrown out of the car, and that reduced survivability dramatically.
      If you check the stats, F1 pilot deaths were reduced dramatically when seat belts were introduced.

    • @rafaelalandrade
      @rafaelalandrade ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@standopowah Sounds insane, doesn't it?

    • @ondraspendlik9759
      @ondraspendlik9759 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@standopowah Many drivers actually didn't want seatbelts, since they preferred being thrown from the car, rather than staying in a burning wreck (the cars had huge fuel tanks, which were usually placed close or even around the cockpit). The risk was so high that they had the mentality of "I have a bigger chance of surviving when I am thrown out of the car".
      As for the speeds, many tracks at the time had very long straights, so yes, the cars were hitting 300 kph, even in the 50s.
      The reason many of them didn't care much for safety was likely the fact they experienced World War II just a few years prior, many of them as soldiers. Having a small chance of dying in your race car was certainly better than being shot at. Plus, they didn't have the experience of vehicle safety. Seatbelts weren't invented until like the 1950s. Vehicle safety just wasn't a thing back then. They didn't feel the danger as much as we would feel it now, not being in a war and knowing all the different safety features.

  • @crismagsino6016
    @crismagsino6016 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The V10s of the 2004 era is the best!

  • @StephenJohnson-jb7xe
    @StephenJohnson-jb7xe 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love them all, each one sounds awesome, just in different ways.

  • @f1andfootballfan993
    @f1andfootballfan993 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    The V8 engines were my favourite

    • @judyazere9901
      @judyazere9901 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Plus blown diffuser

    • @nickm6532
      @nickm6532 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@judyazere9901 nope

    • @Manni410
      @Manni410 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You have a different opinion, nice bro

  • @CTcuber4K
    @CTcuber4K 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    i feel like many poeple forget about the v8 cosworth dfv engines of the 70s, they sounded great. they are somewhat similar to the 80s v6s and the v6s of today, but sound more raw and oldschool.

    • @JB-dy2sq
      @JB-dy2sq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The V8 Cosworths definitely are one of the greatest engine's ever in F1 👍🙏

  • @fuarkstyle
    @fuarkstyle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Yeah, v10 v12 sound great, but did you watch such footages from the 60's? What a view! Amazing stuff!!

  • @simosarmenis
    @simosarmenis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    1999 - 2005 (V10)

  • @demetrishadjidemetris1769
    @demetrishadjidemetris1769 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    V10 engine, a marvel of engineering precision and raw power. As it roars to life, the air vibrates with its symphony

  • @WarhammerWings
    @WarhammerWings 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    1999- 2013 were my F1 with the V10s and V8.

  • @warrenbaynes5645
    @warrenbaynes5645 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I saw my first ever formula one race in Melbourne Australia in 2000. It was almost life changing to see and hear these v8 powered as they were then incredible machines in their full volume glory. There sound was like an 80 string orchestra. Pure engine music. The great Micheal Schumacher won the race that day. I am honoured to have watched his pure driving skills. You live on in legend Michael. I will admire you forever

  • @lineisout
    @lineisout ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the way you chose to illustrate an f1 v12 with the mp4/4 (v6 turbo) on your miniature👌😎

  • @Cerberus256
    @Cerberus256 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Can't wait for the single cylinder versions in 20yrs time 🤨

  • @Jamy_25
    @Jamy_25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    best sound : v10
    best seasons :v12, flat12
    best performance v6 hybrid

  • @jasonmames5329
    @jasonmames5329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Has to be the 90s-2000s v10

  • @mrlmmo1712
    @mrlmmo1712 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was in brisbane in the early 2000s and they were setting up there and you could hear the cars the whole way round. At one point they got close to the road and the SOUND!! They were only coasting but oml

  • @nelsondasilva5991
    @nelsondasilva5991 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for the Therapy😢 I'll watch it again for Sure❤❤❤

  • @dno8025
    @dno8025 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a great video. Thanks for posting. 2005 V10 is without a doubt the best in this video.

  • @43discovery
    @43discovery 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2005 V10 era, by a long way. Just takes your breath away when in the grandstands. The cars shapes were also sleek and iconic. Those days will never return.

  • @charlesm7589
    @charlesm7589 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The clip of the 1966 V8 is actually a scene from the movie Grand Prix. While there was some footage in the film of actual F1 cars, the car in this shot is a F3 car dressed up to look like a F1. Still, it sounds right so a real F1 V8 sound may have been overdubbed.

  • @fabiusfidibus
    @fabiusfidibus ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So sad the sounds of today.
    1999 - 2005 peak sounds

  • @danielmora7890
    @danielmora7890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Those v10 😍😍😍😍

  • @AMV12S
    @AMV12S ปีที่แล้ว +6

    80's V6 Turbo were the best. And also one of the most powerful, sometimes beating 1200hp.

  • @bakedbeings
    @bakedbeings 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can see people's point about the V10, but there's some good stuff going on sonically with the V6, it has a little bit of jet engine in it, along with hearing more of what the turbo and engine are doing than than say the sawmill scream of the v12 on an exit.

  • @olivertoeknuckleiii2093
    @olivertoeknuckleiii2093 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I still think that the 20,000 RPM V8 engines were the peak! While I love the V10’s and V12’s, it is the shriek of 20,000 RPM that give me wood! Although I’ve always loved the V12 and V10’s, nothing SCREAMS like 20,000 RPM!!!

  • @oghatarana
    @oghatarana ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2000s V10s definitely the best. 80s V6 Turbos are sick too.

  • @paulusferdinand1136
    @paulusferdinand1136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So I watched this on my phone while my wife was watching tv. She got cross and and asked me to turn down the volume when the early V10s started.
    So that’s my favourite.

  • @NORDOSTWETTERoDE
    @NORDOSTWETTERoDE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Best Engine Era was the V10 from 1996-2005

  • @highoctanegames
    @highoctanegames 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes V10's are definitely my favorite
    But I think the first two are underrated, one almost sounds like a NASCAR at speed and one sounds like a modern supercar lol

  • @caseykubota
    @caseykubota ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @5:58 KIMI!!!! best sound of F1

  • @franknikko
    @franknikko 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hasta el 2013 esos autos rugían como una fiera, hermosos sonidos... a partir del 2014 la decadencia, sin ese sonido ya no emociona tanto la F1

  • @HeavyNikki
    @HeavyNikki ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Die wirkliche F1 Legende ist der 3l V10. Da steckt noch richtig Sound drin. 18/19/20000 Rpm, das ist Power. 🫨Dieses hochfrequente schreien des Motors beim vorbeifahren. NnnniiiIIIIIJAUUuuuuu. 🤤

  • @markhogarth242
    @markhogarth242 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm quite sure the first engine you've listed is a Lancia V8 not a V12. The Lancia D50 was the first car in formula 1 to use a V8 and to be used as a stress member on the chassis. Even Cosworth used that design for the development of the DFV, and that's word of mouth from Keith Duckworth

  • @eolight_rbx
    @eolight_rbx 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That first V8, 1999 V10, 2005 V10, and 2013 V8 were the best ones (for me)

  • @jonpeley
    @jonpeley ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Soundwise the V10 era. No doubt about it. Driverwise, when Fangio dominated the sport. A man trying to drive a bullet with a helmet and nothing else more.

  • @dougsyms
    @dougsyms 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    WOW ! I miss the V - 10 and V - 12 .

  • @Yasin5791-d7u
    @Yasin5791-d7u 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My Favourite is the V10.

  • @johnclarke2997
    @johnclarke2997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Missing the most succesful engine of the lot. Ford Cosworth DFV. V8 engine in the late 60s in to the 1980's.

  • @Elaina471
    @Elaina471 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My favorite v10

  • @_MrAyOuB
    @_MrAyOuB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    V10 the best sound but i love v8 as well and the v6 turbo sound in the sf70h and sf71h, the rdb14 and the w09!

  • @HWR.LJD1918
    @HWR.LJD1918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    V10❤

  • @arthakevindio3886
    @arthakevindio3886 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    F1 = V10!!

  • @DerTeufelImDetail
    @DerTeufelImDetail ปีที่แล้ว

    From now on I'll also stick myself to the race track with superglue!! I want the V10 back!!!

  • @fra93ilgrande
    @fra93ilgrande ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That intro with EPIC V10 SOUNDS OMG 🥵💦😍

  • @etanramoz
    @etanramoz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hehe. The guy with Ferrari cap and a Nokia 3310 recording the sound!😅

  • @jamesmurray3128
    @jamesmurray3128 ปีที่แล้ว

    The best sounds for me are the V12's from like 2005. My favorite, however, is still the V8's from 1966. That clip was taken from the movie Grand Prix, staring James Garner.

  • @EAFXtrader
    @EAFXtrader ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's nothing qite like a V10 or V12 F1 engine from the late 90s or early noughtys.

  • @AndyDaPorscheFan6969
    @AndyDaPorscheFan6969 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Anyone here from the livestream where he mentioned the fact that he only has 1 video?

  • @Kvarium
    @Kvarium ปีที่แล้ว

    That 1973 V12 is amazing.

  • @jtjtrs8806
    @jtjtrs8806 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to watch f1 back when they had real engines v12 , v10 , even v8s but these v6 engines sound like my lawn mower , alot of people were fans for one of the reasons of the sound they made !!

  • @ChillkittzGT
    @ChillkittzGT ปีที่แล้ว

    0:37 this looks like some ancient Forza Cinematic Replays

  • @RandomContent57
    @RandomContent57 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:40 the engine was screaming and it was amazing

  • @PedroMagS
    @PedroMagS ปีที่แล้ว

    V8’s definitely my favourite

  • @riyadhaffandi8606
    @riyadhaffandi8606 ปีที่แล้ว

    Engine sound V10 the best forever 👍

  • @dxlopez6801
    @dxlopez6801 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Excelente👏👏

  • @MajSolo
    @MajSolo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    IF I have ANY spare money I will book the cheapest hotell and go watch these angry beasts.
    Oooops
    Seems I set myself a goal. Just to hear them once live .....

  • @stefselene3926
    @stefselene3926 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    en limitant les régimes moteurs à 15 mille tours minutes , ils ont cassé la magie sonore

  • @alkiviadisefstratiadis8814
    @alkiviadisefstratiadis8814 ปีที่แล้ว

    V10 by far the best noise ever

  • @RebeccaCampbell1969
    @RebeccaCampbell1969 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:10 1990 all were 3.5L
    The best years of modern F1... sound wise

  • @michaelklein3112
    @michaelklein3112 ปีที่แล้ว

    'More, MORE POWER!!' Max Zorin

  • @puebespuebes8589
    @puebespuebes8589 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 50s v12 sounded amazing even with the crapy recorder they had

  • @fabrizioviscardi40
    @fabrizioviscardi40 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I sub your channel, ciao Fabrizio

    • @fabrizioviscardi40
      @fabrizioviscardi40 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for sharing, ciao Fabrizio

  • @pushinp1
    @pushinp1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have some good footage of 2021 engine sounds

  • @Reinhard8844
    @Reinhard8844 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it's so sad i only heard the v6 sound

  • @oneilclarke8494
    @oneilclarke8494 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:50...my ears during a mosquito swarm in the evenings.

  • @gewurtztraminer9843
    @gewurtztraminer9843 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    V10 rules

  • @fenflyer
    @fenflyer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    FW14 b William Renault V10 around Brands Hatch totally epic music 🎵🎵🎵

  • @arianhaeldoamaraltorrespom1146
    @arianhaeldoamaraltorrespom1146 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    V6: excuse me sir
    V8: please, move!
    V10: *GET OUT OF THE WAY DUDE!!*
    Idk how i will describe v12 tho… 😂

  • @ChillkittzGT
    @ChillkittzGT ปีที่แล้ว

    1:48 weeee coming through! lol

  • @johncarrier9517
    @johncarrier9517 ปีที่แล้ว

    The first clip is Fangio driving the Lancia D50 (cars taken over by and campaigned by Ferrari in 1956). It was a V-8, not a V-12.

  • @LupeyCrysty
    @LupeyCrysty 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just love all.

  • @korma9732
    @korma9732 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bring back v10's

  • @ひかり西田
    @ひかり西田 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The V6 Turbo sounds like a dying crow's cry.

  • @barreltigar6942
    @barreltigar6942 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    V10の時代に青春を生きたかった

  • @crixdog32
    @crixdog32 ปีที่แล้ว

    V10 of 2005 is the sound of the demon.

  • @Philc40
    @Philc40 ปีที่แล้ว

    I prefer the 1966 recording of Zandvoort’s V-8, the 1957 recording of Fangio’s V-12 doesn’t do the engine any justice.

  • @Holanduzo
    @Holanduzo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The McLaren of the thumbnail had a v6 turbo

  • @healingenso7923
    @healingenso7923 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Every clip with a Ferrari sounded best. But great to see the Camel Lotus guys again.

  • @marcelo_diniz
    @marcelo_diniz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I miss the true sound of F1

  • @danone_original
    @danone_original ปีที่แล้ว

    nos primeiros segundos dá pra notar a diferença absurda que é de ver na tv, pra ter a noção do quão rápido é os carros de formula 1 na pista hahahaahahaaaaaa

  • @BillP-kg1yp
    @BillP-kg1yp 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    F1 today is working toward super stealthy nuclear submarine-propulsion systems. The fans will also go into stealth mode.

  • @ariebasuki469
    @ariebasuki469 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love V10 and V12 Honda
    And V10 Mercedez

  • @ianlogan6280
    @ianlogan6280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hearing the V10s just make me smile. the V6's sound so meh in comparison

  • @federicoalmiron7757
    @federicoalmiron7757 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    De chico me encantaba la F1 cuando cambiaron a V6 perdí el interés ni loco voy a ver una carrera de esas

  • @samehada2009
    @samehada2009 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    99年、05年あたりのV10が好きだ
    2014年以降のV6ターボはお腹の調子が悪い時のおならにしか聞こえん

  • @patricksyquio5569
    @patricksyquio5569 ปีที่แล้ว

    V6 turbo i like best n the turque weight for a car the sound is whole sounds like its working reaally well hehe Renault engine !

  • @GF-mf7ml
    @GF-mf7ml 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Feel faster or go faster, is it fun?

  • @JaymesEaston
    @JaymesEaston ปีที่แล้ว

    I can understand not including the 16-cylinder due to low numbers raced. But it's inconsolable not to sample the four-bangers- BMW. Not F1, but Indy 500 engines Meyer-Drake, and Offenhauser would have been nice

  • @tylerreiter5726
    @tylerreiter5726 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My 9 year old said the old V12s sound the best, I like the V10s personally but we both agree the current V6s don’t sound anywhere near as good as anything else