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deceivers need to have a random cult revealed whenever an army is defeated in battle to simulate the lord being interrogated. I think that'd make the campaign feel very high risk very high reward because your armies are in theory invincible, but if they get caught out you'll basically lose an entire settlement.
This is a good idea but I don't think it is nearly enough. Your armies are almost always invisible and you pretty much choose all the battles you want to fight. How many battles are you really going to be loosing? I have only played one changeling campaign but I was at no point ever close to loosing even a single battle. Even if you mega fuck up and do loose a battle its only one settlement that is not a big deal at all to the changeling.
This is a really good suggestion. But imho need be way more risky/hard than this. As soon you have 2 armies or at latest like turn 15... Let ai get chanse reveal and nuke settlements. and as ai gets stronger have bigger chanse reveal. So you should know that any setltlement will sooner or later get caught. Or something.
Hey Legend, since you’re covering more historical titles recently, I wonder if it would be possible to make tier lists for those titles too? Things like evaluating starting positions, army rosters, available buildings etc.
Just curious, what are the problems with WH3? I played WH2 casually and now play WH3 almost every day. I’m not a big total war guy so could you tell me what went wrong?
@@SanguineYoru Many of the issues have been resolved over time. Super passive AI on hard difficulties that wouldn't ever engage, 80% of your battles were minor settlement fights, and various bugs that made some units underperform or be straight up unrecruitable (just a few things off the top of my head). The game is in a much better place now, so it's a good time to pick it up. There are still some persistent issues, such as small and uninteresting maps (and weird unnatural forest blobs). Overall it's improved a lot since Immortal Empires first came out.
@@giokun100 He didn't mention minor settlement fights themselves, just how frequent they were, considering all minor settlement battles were... well, settlement battles, and none of them were open-field ones (except for Norsca, if I remember correctly).
I personally think Yvresse is S-tier fun-wise. The mistwalkers in Eltharion’s army are just incredibly strong and tactically fun to play with. Plus, Eltharion decked out with speed items and skills and banners just streaks around the battlefield on Stormwing. I’ve hit 250 speed with a few dynamo (5 charge bonus and 10% speed for lord’s army) nobles in the army.
Clan Angrund is now actually pretty dang fun now that they fixed his Eight Peaks reward. He is also fairly strong if you can take out the Skaven, Vampires and Beastmen to your West right from the start, because afterwards he'll have a very safe and rich position. Which is unlike the rest of the dwarves who are constantly surrounded by enemies.
His bonuses to global recruitment always felt good to me. It really enables him to play like the more aggressive and expansive type lord for the dwarves that he is meant to be.
Here’s an idea for a challenge: Eat the World. You and another play play as Taurox and Skarbrand. Whoever has destroyed the most armies and settlements after 100 turns win!
@@bigdaddysus8638 I disagree. They could establish rules beforehand and layout a strategy. In the end they present their strategies in a video and share insight into the factions. and reflect on it.
@@MrBlueSleeves would be a lot of battles they would have to fight manually which is a lot of downtime for the other player but i suppose it could be possible if they establish like they have to fight each other every battle or some shit? i dont know i dont see it really
@@bigdaddysus8638 the campaign is gonna take a long time either way, so not sure what's your point? Could also establish a time limit if you don,t want as much manual fights
I personally put Ice court on S tier. A lot of people complain about it being a hard startpos, with attacks from all sides. This is why it's fun, the campaign forces you to make tough decisions, and the difficulty, while steep, is perfectly manageable if you know what you're doing. It also makes for an interestingly different campaign, where you spend a lot of it not painting the map, but instead trying to consolidate your home area. I probably played the Ice court more then any other warhammer 3 faction.
yeah same. I was actually suprised how much i loved it. The last human shield of the north, trying to unite the homeland while battling the forces of evil. Plus I really like kossiers as starting units, and then the build up to their end units. Just fun from start to end.
same i really love playing Ice Court def my most played as well in wh3. Although i wish their base mechanics had a bit more oomph to them like kos having trainable patriarchs or something. they are like 80% of the way there i just wish the last dlc gave them some updates to really solidify them. none the less love the challenge of kislev
Its annoying to play any faction that is surrounded on all ends by enemies, you take out one, the rest dog pile lol. I like playing them at a different start pos tho
@@geoffreystevens2916 My number 1 favorite campaign in wh3. I've played it at least 15-20 times, and now we are talking about it, I think I might go play another. I just love the major provinces (especially Praag), and all the landmarks you can build, atdans you can appoint, the empire building for Katarin just feels so good. Meanwhile I played Kostaltyn exactly once, it's just a pale shadow of the same.
Very fun campaign, but the mechanics are a bit less interesting than they could be. This is a clear case of an extremely interesting position, challenging and with fascinating roleplaying possibilities + amazing units, and amazing settlements. But it lacks that additional layer of depth, as their proprietary mechanics are generic, and their antagonism is very limited once chaos is dealt with, meaning that at some point it seems you are going to make enemies with people just for the sake of it (which spoils the aforementioned great roleplaying you could infuse in the campaign).
I kinda feel Daniel could do with an actual research tree as well as his current stuff. Sure HE’S strong, but his armies, although varied, don’t get amazingly buffed. One of my favourite things is researching stat upgrades for units, and I feel even a small research tree would add that fun option beyond the dedication buffs. Not to mention researching upgrading army abilities. Seriously, the Khorne one hurts more than helps, and mid/late game with the Slaanesh buff let’s you seduce with a 1300 budget. A proper tech tree would really help the faction I think tbh, warriors of chaos get a mixed one when undivided, why not undivided daemons?
i had fun with teclis recently where i basically took out kairos, then booked it to the eastern colonies and took over that, from there i basically used sea lanes to travel to cathay, lustria, and ulthuan and captured islands and such from chaos/undead enemies. it was pretty fun sailing around and helping order (which is teclis' entire thing) i wish he had some mechanic that played into that to help him get around easier. also his climate suitability is sooo bad, i wish he at least had temperate habitability. I was in no way very strong but had millitary alliances with everyone and took out their threats for them so the order tide was op.
With teclis i always have no idea what to do after taking out kairso. Youre usually buddies with the lizardmen to the north of you, so yeah it would be cool if you could teavel the map kinda like oxy, maybe a mechanic where you can get summoned to reinforce another order faction. It would be so badass showing up next to franz and help him deal with vlad for a battle.
You have no idea how much these tierlists mean to me Legend. Even though i only play warhammer 2 right now while waiting for a sale for the third one. These videos still really help me be up to date for when i eventually try the third game one out. Sure while this one might be more subjective and less important than the other tier lists perhaps, fun is still a very important factor in a game in my opinion! Thank you for these videos!
"I don't go to turn 100 with Taurox because by then i'll have destroyed the world" "Again, I don't play beastmen for long campaigns because they get going quite quickly" Meanwhile me, at turn 120, * only just getting close to long victory* : "it's okay Taurox, you go whenever you feel like it :)"
I find Belegar's campaign the most challenging and fun out of all Dwarf lords. The struggle to retake back their home reminds me a lot of the LOTR Balin's expedition to Khazad Dum. Also, the Bugman Rangers are one of my favorite units in the game.
Didn’t expect Vampire Coast to make it to A tier. One of my favorites is Noctilus. I play with the IE expanded mod so there are more oceanic and island territories to take.
Vampire Coast with Noctilus is still a top 3 campaign for me. A vortex campaign that is actually fun and such a unique playstyle in comparison to other factions. Burn the coastline!
Khalida has the best climate suitability.Get suitable mountain just like Khatep and gets both jungle and savanah. Probably the best option for world conquest
I think she is the lamest of the TK simply because she is not as interesting if compared to the other TK lords, it's a presentation thing. If, however, Khalida was "neighbored" by Neferata instead (legit LL Neferata, fleshed out by CA), like the whole dynamic/rivalry between Elf Batman and Grom, now that would improve her campaign A LOT, would make Khatep the lamest
Khorne and the Skaven DLC trio are right where they belong. They are just the best and funnest campaigns you can have to just derp around and have a good ol' time and win in the process. Love the tier list and this is probably your best list ever, and most important one too. Fun factor is more important than raw power. Though power can make things fun like in the case for Khorne, Taurox, the Skaven DLC trio, and Drazhoath.
For some reason I still can't get into skaven, they just don't do it for me. The rest I find pretty accurate to my sentiments, except for Karl Franz, which I unironically love in WH3, even though in WH2 he was near the bottom for me.
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Brutal honesty is why CA blacklisted him. Honestly looks bad on their part. Can't have a partner that tells the truth or CA will actually have to put effort into their games to get a good review.
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I absolutely loved the first time i played Nagarythe and realized i had an ambush attack stance like the beastmen. Had me doing so many more battles just because the ambushes were so satisfying. Plus its just so anti elf up there with all the hostile factions surrounding him. My favorite tho is still eltharion simply because i like the double front scenario adding a challenge.
It is refreshing to have a video from you that is about gameplay, and comments about gameplay. You taught me so much about the game over the years and I really appreciate these types of videos.
Disagree about Crone Hellebron. Her campaign is incredibly fun because it has a challenging start with Valkia, Sigvald, etc. all coming for you. If you take too long to get to Ulthuan, then the high elves band together and head for you, too. It's a race to see who destroys whom first. Plus, it's AMAZING on multiplayer campaign mode. Super challenging.
Belegar is so fun!! Lead your people across the desert like stunty moses. Also drycha is the most fun... smoke doobies and heal the forest with an OP army
I really enjoy your tier list videos! It might not be your cup of tea but it would be interesting to see some tier lists from previous games like Rome 2 and Attila
The shadow king aka pimp master 5000 is by far my favorite high elf. But by god I wish ranged lords without mounts could fkin hit their targets with some consistency.
I find Dark Elves much more enjoyable after latest tweaks to their slaves mechanics, public order is not such an issue anymore (at least on very hard) and rushing buildings is pretty fun and addictive mechanic, i miss it when playing as other races now.
Without having actually played it, I figured The Deceivers would be a great faction for co-op. You don't take any settlements away from your ally/allies and even improve them with symbiotic buildings. Additionally, since you can teleport anywhere in the world with Rifts and don't need to really defend anything, you can go support your ally directly no matter their starting location. But yeah, they're less fun solo if you want a true challenge.
This is amazing, i was gonna ask on a recent livestream who were your "most fun factions" rather than a strength ranking but i didnt feel right with everything thats been happing, lo-and-behold here is a better answer than i could have hoped for!
I cannot believe Legend put [Faction] into [x]-Tier, like what is he thinking? I cannot believe that Legend opposes my preconceived notion on what he finds fun so I am terribly angry at him right now.
good video, have to mention that with the maggot lord being out now ostenkia has her work cut out for her, the curses only help so much against that beast. if you havent revisited it yet, i recommend giving it go
Honestly it really changes with how many hours you put in to total war games. After a few thousand hours between the historical and fantasy games my taste for what interests me has changed quite a lot. Found myself really liking Isabella and stacking vampires in one strong overly condensed army; or having Blathasar flying around raining doom as one tactical piece to overcome the odds. Khorne is up there because 3 armies vs 20 and still winning due to micro managing mayhem is just dope as well. A lot of the other factions just fall very flat unfortunately after so many hours in to the same franchise.
Well, your enormous trove of experience with the game definitely adds weight to your list. I absolutely agree that the starting location and enemies really makes a huge difference. You want to have to make some critical decisions about who you expose yourself to without feeling backed against the wall (unless it suits the faction and playstyle). Kha "infinite missile" lida is a boss. "You find out stuff about yourself I guess" xD. Absolutely! To find that the dark elves are my favourite faction was a shock.
I can understand the disappointment with Nurgle but I did find it funny that it's actually my 2nd or 3rd favorite faction. I think part of it is the lore but also I really enjoy the healing and Chosen of Nurgle. That combination is a grind to get to but so rewarding. Madam Cylostra is actually my favorite Lord to play as with a fun faction and great lore of magic.
Nurgle may be my favorite campaign in wh3, i just love the epidemics mechanics and the units just work for me. Yes they are slow, blobby, grindy and only work because the AI is dumb. But they are just so happy to be there.
Golden Order should be S tier. After you complete the first objective you can choose to stay in Cathay or go home and get 0 cost on all armies for 10 turns. If you plan ahead early game you can return home with a few stacks and swarm a nearby faction like Couronne to get a strong starting position. Not to mention loads of campaign abilities like instant unlimited recruitment for mages at any settlement (don't even need the mage building tree), giving yourself free gold, replenishing army movement, lots of cataclysm spells, and factionwide winds of magic cost reduction. You can also make bank selling settlements to Franz. The AI will pay all the gold they have for your uninhabitable tier one norsca settlements on the brink of rebellion.
For me the entire southern half of the map (except Oxyotl) is a tier lower than it otherwise would be, simply because anyone on that half of the map will have to contend with Kairos' inevitable empire, but Teclis definitely has it the hardest, so I agree with your assessment there. Oxyotl gets a pass because the land is useable for him and gets to fight Kairos early, while the Chameleon stalkers still counter most of the Tzeentch units.
My most recent empire campaign in WH3 went very smoothly. I completely changed my tactics around and just sat about restoring - constantly - my electors' territory. I refused to confederate anyone until I was CERTAIN I could defend that territory. I played the campaign very defensively. While I have several armies, they are mostly "defensive" in their composition, mostly spearmen and crossbowmen (b/c they can fire OVER the walls) with very little in terms of gunpowder or cavalry. They're really just meant to defend walled cities, and they're quite strong at that, especially when you add in a couple of mortars. I don't think my Imperial Authority has dipped negative once this entire campaign. Just have to be very picky about what to build and when, what to recruit and when, and when to engage (to keep losses low so foreign soil regen keeps you topped off). The last place you wanna be is helping an elector and your army sitting at around 25% manpower, because you'll die. Empire is ABSOLUTELY not geared to be played in the say was as something like Beastmen or Archaon.
I like Daniel, having access to all the chaos units is great but there's just so much going on with the "dress up" it just gets overwhelming and I wish I could get into it but I can't
I love Nagarythes campaign in WH3. Ended up in wars from multiple directions which just kept me engaged. Really fun campaign. I enjoyed Malekith as I peaced out with the skaven after the first couple of battles then just b lined straight for Valkia and took her out early whilst the Dwarves were occupied, then helped the skaven kill the dwarves.
I just finished a demon Prince campaign focussed to tzeentch, with the master of fates outfit. It was a difficult but engaging campaign. You had to really plan your campaigns ahead. And prepare the correct armies for who you face. The sheer amount of units gave me option paralysis 🤣
This is exactly what I wanted. I dont care how strong a faction is, I wanna know which ones are fun. Still looking for a campaign that doesnt get boring after the first 20 turns, altough that seems to be the case for most factions once you've stabilized and have an army that can autoresolve basically anything
Play Katarin. You have to cleanse everything, because your AI Empire neighbors and Kostaltyn will just get their asses kicked. You have the early campaign: consolidating the area around you, fighting off Clan Moulder and Azhag, and maybe conquering Sylvania if you have time. The the midgame kicks in right away, because as soon as you get over all that, Norsca and all the Chaos factions are coming south for you, and you fight over the Norscan provinces with them, and sometimes the Chaos dwarves. All the while you have the tools to succeed, but enemies abound. Then, after all that, you have a crusade, the invasion of the Chaos Wastes to destroy your enemies once and for all. Autores for Kislev can also really kick you in the teeth sometimes, so you will definitely continue to manual some battles, especially against powerful Chaos warbands led by the LLs. But not enough to get annoying imo, like lizardmen sometimes get.
I admit I am an unredeemable Empire player (Karl, Volkmar, Balt and Wulf in that order) but also the SFO and Mixus, South Realms and Marienburg Mods. Wood and High Helves are coming second. I had a lot of fun with characters like Oxyotl and Yuan Bo. Finally I had a blast of a time playing the Mods for “Vampire” : Nagash and Blood Dragons
Confederation limits is why I use the Recruit Defeated LL mod. Also the fact its nigh impossible to get some Lords in a confederation when playing as another, even in Wh3 where AI doesnt confed as much. It also helps TK, Vcoast and Chaos factions. I just had a blast with Skarbrand where my 2nd army was led by Nkari. Not very lore friendly, but fun. Personally largely agree with the S tier list. Those DLC factions just deserve to be up there, they have winner mechanics and everybody knows that. Same with how base factions have NOTHING special or unique, which is why playing Mazda or Malekith in SFO feels way more rewarding. The rest is personal preference and the fact Legend plays on legendary only. Like he doesnt like vampires only because theyre not challenging enough to him, but there isnt anything inherently wrong with their campaigns at all. I still dont think the dark elves are as bad as everyone makes them out to be, but they definitely need to get THEIR OWN slave mechanics back. Not having healing (only limited access by characters) also makes them way harder than lot of other races who can just heal to full every battle. After playing Ogres, I also dont think the camp/meat mechanic is that bad as to hinder the campaign. You can get to lategame stacks super early as Ogres, which means you can diss all the lame gnoblars and just trample fools in your way. Their shooting is kinda janky though. Ironblasters are meh since the nerf because of pvp and Leadbelchers will shoot friendlies in the back if youre not careful. I had HE, Skaven, DE, Lizards and TK as my clear personal top5 in Wh2, in that order. I just like elves and big monsters. But playing Chaos or Norsca was just miserable. Didnt play enough Beastmen either, and thematically I like them the least of all factions anyhow. That definitely changed with Wh3. I still love HE and Skaven... but I do think WoC, especially Belakor, is firmly in the top3 now. Outside top3, I honestly have no idea. Lizards and TK feel kinda dated now, and whilst the monster mash is fine still, there are contenders. DE is still around, so are WE. I like Cathay more than I thought I would, same with Ogres and Khorne. Chaos Dwarfs have also been phenomenal. It honestly feels good to say I do like most, if not all factions right now. Only havent played Nurgle, but on SFO I wager even they would be fun. And I do like Daniel honestly.. all demon armies with a bunch of RoRs even with the horrible disintegration mechanic are just really powerful mid-to late game.
Interesting that you appreciate Belegars campaign so little. I think the task to retake the capital and struggle with the early economy debuff is amazing, strong opponents nearby makes this a real challenge and quite entertaining imo. Good video otherwise, I can agree with most of the other takes.
I can't speak for legend, but for me it is a case of only being fun once. It was great to have that struggle but I don't know if I would enjoy multiple campaigns of it.
Out of curiosity: do you usually leave the Vaults behind and come to Karak Eight Peaks with full strength early on, or do you actually keep the Vaults? In WH2 I struggled to keep the Vaults due to the goblin menace, so I took my armies across the badlands, which was quite fun. I don't feel the need to do that in WH3.
I used to agree on Skarbrand but after playing him a few times he's just TOO EASY. Strength rank 1 by turn 3, level 50 LL by turn 20, is fantastic until you realize it also comes with the tedium of managing a -20K economy every turn and maneuvering 10 armies all over the place so early in the campaign. The amount of army management Khorne does on turn 10 is similar to any other faction at turn 100 which is about where I burn out from it.
My S tier is shorter and I added one TODAY because I didn't play with this faction before: Dazhoath the Ashen. SO MUCH FUN! My other favorites are Ikkit Klaw, Taurox and Grom the Paunch. Each one completely unique and imho the 4 make for the top design CA achieved while also having MANY cool units to watch destroying others in bloody combat.
I firmly disagree with Carcasonne being A-tier They are maybe the most boxed-in faction of the entire game. Being literally next to 4 other legendary lords (grom, orion, morghur and ikit claw) and pretty close to kemmler too. You have to declare on Paravon, otherwise Orion is going to take those settlements away from you and you will have to pay (a great deal) or those are gone for at least 15 turns because you start out with treaties with him. The most annoying part is Ikit Claw being able to jump in 1-turn to your capital (when it takes 10 turns to reach his) so if he declares on you like in turn 5 like he always does, you literally cant move your army until you are able to afford another one. It will take a while for you to get horses going because of limited buildingslots (compared to all other 3 ll's who either can either recruit horses right away or have enough buildingslots to cover) because your economy buildings take 2 slots to work. And while you do get a few extra peasants, they still are garbage. Initial settlement growth is slow, as Bretonnia's growth really stacks with the more (adjacent) provinces you have. Their techs suck but that is with all bretonnia factions (specially those stupid confed techs who are all useless within 5 turns), all techs still feel very WH1-ish. And Grail Guardians are even with upkeep reduction for her, like 600 upkeep per turn. I think Carcasonne should belong in C-tier, maybe even D-Tier.
Does Carcassonne start in contact with Ikit? I can't remember but the last time I played them Ikit only started breathing on my neck after I already had half of Bretonnia and Estalia
Mr. Legend I need your help. I am losing my legion of chaos campaign. There are dwarves everywhere. It feels like none of my units (most khorne) stand a chance against these little bearded men. What counter dwarfs best? Am open to any suggestions.
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This is the tier list I've been waiting for! I have so little time to play, so when I do. I prefer it be fun. I get everyone's taste is a little different but this is a great baseline.
As someone who has never played the Khorne campaign because I thought the exact things you did about how I would like them... I will have to give em a try.
I love kislev the units being hybrid makes battles so fun to me since i can try out different formations to compliment there range attackes before engaging in melee
Ngl mate and idk why but ever since you started making tier lists years ago I get more excited about them then any other video on TH-cam and I'm subbed to like 200 people Side note, any chance of a medivil 2 tier list? :D
HOW? I hate it every time I try to enjoy it… I like the difficult in theory but in practice I just enjoy every other coast faction more. Teach me how to not make the campaign suck
Damn, i didn't thought we had so much in common. Our prefrences are pretty the same. With two exeptions, i like Cylostra and Kalida a lot. The Kav based Army of Kalida is so much fun.
For me the Crone campaign was the most fun I've ever had in WH2. You actually have an incentive to capture more slaves and raid your neighbors instead of just snowballing with slave economy and wait for Rites to refresh. Also, Witch Elves are my favorite unit in WH2. Morathi should've had some campaign and faction mechanics to buff them.
With the new changing of the ways "force peace" I absolutely love Kairos, it makes the campaign so much more fun, because no more anti player bias, you can always focus on one enemy, also the economy is so weak, that it's hard to maintain many armies, has quite strong starting enemies, so I for me it's challenging, but really fun. Talsyn on the other hand is now so owerpowered that I don't enjoy it anymore, at turn 70 when you own all magical forests, and have 30 armies, and just trying find new enemies is too much I think. Especially that WE roster is one of the strongest in the game, they shouldn't be able to afford 30 armies.
Currently about 15 hours into my first campaign. Playing Taurox. Loving it at the moment, but despite everything ive read online i cannot make Torox himself feel powerful
Warriors of Chaos is by far the best Rework they have ever done. Best Part are your "generic" Lords in my Opinion, since you´re not recruiting Hans Nr. 7 but have to really invest in them and get rewarded with a badass Demonprince.
See, i still really enjoy and rate Karl Franzs campaign. Its a hard campaign with constant, varied enemies, seccesionist and possibly Marienburg to start, then Festus, then the von Carsteins, then Norsca and Archaon. With brief interludes for Orcs and Ogres. Playing the "good" emperor and reinstating all the electors so you can confederate them is a great roleplay challenge, you end up with lots of solid lords, with Runefangs. Definetly the best narrative campaign in the game.
I bailed Boris after archeon destroyed my army for the first time. I played a second time and went straight for Norsca so I could befriend the rest of Kislev and actually have an economy. Then I went for vengeance against archeon and the rest of the chaos wastes. And out of nowhere my end times scenario was.... With THE FUCKING DWARFS. my alliance with them got broken and the game blamed me, so I got to very low reliability, the treacherous elves embargoed me and destroyed my economy, and HOW TF those dwarfs are only at war with me?? Why they are not at war with those knife eared bastards too?? Once I finish my vengeance campaign as the Chorfs (the objective is the extinction of all dwarfs and elves) I might give it a continue to my Boris campaign
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deceivers need to have a random cult revealed whenever an army is defeated in battle to simulate the lord being interrogated. I think that'd make the campaign feel very high risk very high reward because your armies are in theory invincible, but if they get caught out you'll basically lose an entire settlement.
100% agree
This is a good idea but I don't think it is nearly enough. Your armies are almost always invisible and you pretty much choose all the battles you want to fight. How many battles are you really going to be loosing? I have only played one changeling campaign but I was at no point ever close to loosing even a single battle. Even if you mega fuck up and do loose a battle its only one settlement that is not a big deal at all to the changeling.
@@jamiefenwick8359 Still better than nothing.
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This is a really good suggestion. But imho need be way more risky/hard than this. As soon you have 2 armies or at latest like turn 15... Let ai get chanse reveal and nuke settlements. and as ai gets stronger have bigger chanse reveal. So you should know that any setltlement will sooner or later get caught. Or something.
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When you were talking about Drycha you said i put her under C tier but you put her under B
Hey Legend, since you’re covering more historical titles recently, I wonder if it would be possible to make tier lists for those titles too? Things like evaluating starting positions, army rosters, available buildings etc.
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For all the problems with WH3, it's worth crediting them for creating a lot more parity and decent factions/unit types in the game.
Just curious, what are the problems with WH3? I played WH2 casually and now play WH3 almost every day. I’m not a big total war guy so could you tell me what went wrong?
@@SanguineYoru Many of the issues have been resolved over time. Super passive AI on hard difficulties that wouldn't ever engage, 80% of your battles were minor settlement fights, and various bugs that made some units underperform or be straight up unrecruitable (just a few things off the top of my head). The game is in a much better place now, so it's a good time to pick it up.
There are still some persistent issues, such as small and uninteresting maps (and weird unnatural forest blobs). Overall it's improved a lot since Immortal Empires first came out.
@@polishlinks Super passive AI and minor settlement fights have not been fixed whatsoever. Unless you are referring at mods.
@@giokun100largely i dont have a problem with passive AI, except against dwarves
@@giokun100 He didn't mention minor settlement fights themselves, just how frequent they were, considering all minor settlement battles were... well, settlement battles, and none of them were open-field ones (except for Norsca, if I remember correctly).
"The High Elves in Warhammer 2 were arguably one of my favorites."
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"Wait, they definitely were one of my favorites, who am I arguing with?" Lmao
Manscaped - Be a Sigvald, not a Throgg.
Well one outlived the other 🗿
@@PenguinWithInternetAccess We don't mention "Those Times" around here...
Brilliant haha
Manscaped - Be an elf, not a dwarf.
...And in the book I go.
@@BloodwyrmWildheart HEY!
I personally think Yvresse is S-tier fun-wise. The mistwalkers in Eltharion’s army are just incredibly strong and tactically fun to play with. Plus, Eltharion decked out with speed items and skills and banners just streaks around the battlefield on Stormwing. I’ve hit 250 speed with a few dynamo (5 charge bonus and 10% speed for lord’s army) nobles in the army.
Clan Angrund is now actually pretty dang fun now that they fixed his Eight Peaks reward. He is also fairly strong if you can take out the Skaven, Vampires and Beastmen to your West right from the start, because afterwards he'll have a very safe and rich position. Which is unlike the rest of the dwarves who are constantly surrounded by enemies.
What did they do to the reward?
His bonuses to global recruitment always felt good to me. It really enables him to play like the more aggressive and expansive type lord for the dwarves that he is meant to be.
Here’s an idea for a challenge: Eat the World. You and another play play as Taurox and Skarbrand. Whoever has destroyed the most armies and settlements after 100 turns win!
cute but would be insanely boring for him and the player imo
@@bigdaddysus8638 I disagree. They could establish rules beforehand and layout a strategy. In the end they present their strategies in a video and share insight into the factions. and reflect on it.
@@MrBlueSleeves would be a lot of battles they would have to fight manually which is a lot of downtime for the other player but i suppose it could be possible if they establish like they have to fight each other every battle or some shit? i dont know i dont see it really
Isnt khorne in advantage due to the "Blood for the Blood god" option which is a free army?
@@bigdaddysus8638 the campaign is gonna take a long time either way, so not sure what's your point? Could also establish a time limit if you don,t want as much manual fights
I personally put Ice court on S tier. A lot of people complain about it being a hard startpos, with attacks from all sides. This is why it's fun, the campaign forces you to make tough decisions, and the difficulty, while steep, is perfectly manageable if you know what you're doing. It also makes for an interestingly different campaign, where you spend a lot of it not painting the map, but instead trying to consolidate your home area. I probably played the Ice court more then any other warhammer 3 faction.
yeah same. I was actually suprised how much i loved it. The last human shield of the north, trying to unite the homeland while battling the forces of evil. Plus I really like kossiers as starting units, and then the build up to their end units. Just fun from start to end.
same i really love playing Ice Court def my most played as well in wh3. Although i wish their base mechanics had a bit more oomph to them like kos having trainable patriarchs or something. they are like 80% of the way there i just wish the last dlc gave them some updates to really solidify them. none the less love the challenge of kislev
Its annoying to play any faction that is surrounded on all ends by enemies, you take out one, the rest dog pile lol. I like playing them at a different start pos tho
@@geoffreystevens2916 My number 1 favorite campaign in wh3. I've played it at least 15-20 times, and now we are talking about it, I think I might go play another. I just love the major provinces (especially Praag), and all the landmarks you can build, atdans you can appoint, the empire building for Katarin just feels so good. Meanwhile I played Kostaltyn exactly once, it's just a pale shadow of the same.
Very fun campaign, but the mechanics are a bit less interesting than they could be. This is a clear case of an extremely interesting position, challenging and with fascinating roleplaying possibilities + amazing units, and amazing settlements. But it lacks that additional layer of depth, as their proprietary mechanics are generic, and their antagonism is very limited once chaos is dealt with, meaning that at some point it seems you are going to make enemies with people just for the sake of it (which spoils the aforementioned great roleplaying you could infuse in the campaign).
Lokhir Fellhart is a very fun campaign! He's pretty good for migration campaigns, and can really conquest anyway he wants!
He does what he wants, 'cause a pirate is free. You are a pirate 😊 ☠️
I kinda feel Daniel could do with an actual research tree as well as his current stuff.
Sure HE’S strong, but his armies, although varied, don’t get amazingly buffed.
One of my favourite things is researching stat upgrades for units, and I feel even a small research tree would add that fun option beyond the dedication buffs.
Not to mention researching upgrading army abilities. Seriously, the Khorne one hurts more than helps, and mid/late game with the Slaanesh buff let’s you seduce with a 1300 budget.
A proper tech tree would really help the faction I think tbh, warriors of chaos get a mixed one when undivided, why not undivided daemons?
i had fun with teclis recently where i basically took out kairos, then booked it to the eastern colonies and took over that, from there i basically used sea lanes to travel to cathay, lustria, and ulthuan and captured islands and such from chaos/undead enemies. it was pretty fun sailing around and helping order (which is teclis' entire thing) i wish he had some mechanic that played into that to help him get around easier. also his climate suitability is sooo bad, i wish he at least had temperate habitability. I was in no way very strong but had millitary alliances with everyone and took out their threats for them so the order tide was op.
With teclis i always have no idea what to do after taking out kairso. Youre usually buddies with the lizardmen to the north of you, so yeah it would be cool if you could teavel the map kinda like oxy, maybe a mechanic where you can get summoned to reinforce another order faction. It would be so badass showing up next to franz and help him deal with vlad for a battle.
You have no idea how much these tierlists mean to me Legend. Even though i only play warhammer 2 right now while waiting for a sale for the third one. These videos still really help me be up to date for when i eventually try the third game one out. Sure while this one might be more subjective and less important than the other tier lists perhaps, fun is still a very important factor in a game in my opinion! Thank you for these videos!
Go on cd keys I got it for like 18.99
Dont get wh3 until ur completely bored of wh2 trust me youll be disappointed
@@eshaan570 I just dont have much motivation to play it after about 3 campaigs. Its difficult to explain
@@alexbickers8388 weird thing is, i feel the same, but i tried to go back to WH2... just cant do it
Exact same situation for me!
"I don't go to turn 100 with Taurox because by then i'll have destroyed the world" "Again, I don't play beastmen for long campaigns because they get going quite quickly"
Meanwhile me, at turn 120, * only just getting close to long victory* : "it's okay Taurox, you go whenever you feel like it :)"
I find Belegar's campaign the most challenging and fun out of all Dwarf lords. The struggle to retake back their home reminds me a lot of the LOTR Balin's expedition to Khazad Dum.
Also, the Bugman Rangers are one of my favorite units in the game.
It reminds you because it's stolen idea. Even the name of the Dwarf is very similar to ''Belegost'' (Dwarven city in the First Age).
@@giokun100 All modern fantasy is "stolen" from Tolkien. He's the father of the genre as we know it.
@@cocoapebbles10 Inspiration and lazy copying can be miles apart.
Didn’t expect Vampire Coast to make it to A tier. One of my favorites is Noctilus. I play with the IE expanded mod so there are more oceanic and island territories to take.
Vampire Coast with Noctilus is still a top 3 campaign for me. A vortex campaign that is actually fun and such a unique playstyle in comparison to other factions. Burn the coastline!
Khalida has the best climate suitability.Get suitable mountain just like Khatep and gets both jungle and savanah. Probably the best option for world conquest
Every climate is suitable for Oxyotl.
@@dustrockblues7567 I ment the best out of all Tomb Kings. Wood Elves, Chaos warriors, Chaos Dwarfs and Norsca also don't have a problem with climate.
I think she is the lamest of the TK simply because she is not as interesting if compared to the other TK lords, it's a presentation thing. If, however, Khalida was "neighbored" by Neferata instead (legit LL Neferata, fleshed out by CA), like the whole dynamic/rivalry between Elf Batman and Grom, now that would improve her campaign A LOT, would make Khatep the lamest
great point. I knew it was something drawing me to her, more than any other TK lord
Khorne and the Skaven DLC trio are right where they belong. They are just the best and funnest campaigns you can have to just derp around and have a good ol' time and win in the process.
Love the tier list and this is probably your best list ever, and most important one too. Fun factor is more important than raw power. Though power can make things fun like in the case for Khorne, Taurox, the Skaven DLC trio, and Drazhoath.
For some reason I still can't get into skaven, they just don't do it for me. The rest I find pretty accurate to my sentiments, except for Karl Franz, which I unironically love in WH3, even though in WH2 he was near the bottom for me.
Yes fun is the most important.
I thought that until I had an Ikit Claw doomstack. Just pure unadulterated fun.@@ethanwilliams1880
legend is only sponsoring legit products that he know it's not bad and he genuinely like. Respect for not being paid to tell lies. No wonder he had a bad time with CA partnership lol
Brutal honesty is why CA blacklisted him. Honestly looks bad on their part. Can't have a partner that tells the truth or CA will actually have to put effort into their games to get a good review.
Never trust content creator when they advertise, no matter how much you like them.
If a content creator ever says the “R” word, I immediately unsubscribe and block all their videos. So glad I haven’t needed to do that for Legend
@@tzeentch7118 um, what?
@@jackalope_hunter never trust the words of someone who reads a script from a company with the purpose of extracting money from you. Be your own judge.
I absolutely loved the first time i played Nagarythe and realized i had an ambush attack stance like the beastmen. Had me doing so many more battles just because the ambushes were so satisfying. Plus its just so anti elf up there with all the hostile factions surrounding him. My favorite tho is still eltharion simply because i like the double front scenario adding a challenge.
Loved the "Who am I arguing with?" when you tried to explain your subjective enjoyment.
It is refreshing to have a video from you that is about gameplay, and comments about gameplay. You taught me so much about the game over the years and I really appreciate these types of videos.
Disagree about Crone Hellebron. Her campaign is incredibly fun because it has a challenging start with Valkia, Sigvald, etc. all coming for you. If you take too long to get to Ulthuan, then the high elves band together and head for you, too. It's a race to see who destroys whom first. Plus, it's AMAZING on multiplayer campaign mode. Super challenging.
Belegar is so fun!! Lead your people across the desert like stunty moses. Also drycha is the most fun... smoke doobies and heal the forest with an OP army
I really enjoy your tier list videos! It might not be your cup of tea but it would be interesting to see some tier lists from previous games like Rome 2 and Attila
He has a tier list where he ranks all the tw games both at launch and at the time, one of his most famous tier lists after he started during wh2
I normally enjoy them to but this one is purely subjective.
“Babe wake up, new Legend tier list just dropped….yup that’s right. Found another one I’ll randomly be watching repeatedly for the rest of the year”
"This is a race that I very.... got a lot of problems with, I very rarely touch them" - Legend of total war
The shadow king aka pimp master 5000 is by far my favorite high elf. But by god I wish ranged lords without mounts could fkin hit their targets with some consistency.
I find Dark Elves much more enjoyable after latest tweaks to their slaves mechanics, public order is not such an issue anymore (at least on very hard) and rushing buildings is pretty fun and addictive mechanic, i miss it when playing as other races now.
Love playing Nakai the Wanderer, Love just making blessed armies and letting them rampage.
Add the IEE mod and head south ;)
Without having actually played it, I figured The Deceivers would be a great faction for co-op. You don't take any settlements away from your ally/allies and even improve them with symbiotic buildings. Additionally, since you can teleport anywhere in the world with Rifts and don't need to really defend anything, you can go support your ally directly no matter their starting location. But yeah, they're less fun solo if you want a true challenge.
i did it, and i agree
You make some excellent points in this video. You're absolutely right about Teclis's start position and the WHII races in WHIII.
NOW THIS IS THE TIER LIST I WAS WAITING FOR
Any chance to update after Thrones of Decay?
The warriors of chaos dlc has really done some great work for the chaos factions it is by far my favorite dlc of all dlc from the whole triology
This is amazing, i was gonna ask on a recent livestream who were your "most fun factions" rather than a strength ranking but i didnt feel right with everything thats been happing, lo-and-behold here is a better answer than i could have hoped for!
I cannot believe Legend put [Faction] into [x]-Tier, like what is he thinking? I cannot believe that Legend opposes my preconceived notion on what he finds fun so I am terribly angry at him right now.
good video, have to mention that with the maggot lord being out now ostenkia has her work cut out for her, the curses only help so much against that beast. if you havent revisited it yet, i recommend giving it go
I really do enjoy playing as Archaon, his faction effects make you feel like a proper Everchosen uniting the Forces of Chaos to bring the End Times.
Honestly it really changes with how many hours you put in to total war games. After a few thousand hours between the historical and fantasy games my taste for what interests me has changed quite a lot. Found myself really liking Isabella and stacking vampires in one strong overly condensed army; or having Blathasar flying around raining doom as one tactical piece to overcome the odds. Khorne is up there because 3 armies vs 20 and still winning due to micro managing mayhem is just dope as well. A lot of the other factions just fall very flat unfortunately after so many hours in to the same franchise.
Babe wake up, Legend posted a tier list
I think the appeal with Khalida is her top tier voice acting 👌🏻
Well, your enormous trove of experience with the game definitely adds weight to your list. I absolutely agree that the starting location and enemies really makes a huge difference. You want to have to make some critical decisions about who you expose yourself to without feeling backed against the wall (unless it suits the faction and playstyle).
Kha "infinite missile" lida is a boss. "You find out stuff about yourself I guess" xD. Absolutely! To find that the dark elves are my favourite faction was a shock.
I can understand the disappointment with Nurgle but I did find it funny that it's actually my 2nd or 3rd favorite faction. I think part of it is the lore but also I really enjoy the healing and Chosen of Nurgle. That combination is a grind to get to but so rewarding. Madam Cylostra is actually my favorite Lord to play as with a fun faction and great lore of magic.
Nurgle may be my favorite campaign in wh3, i just love the epidemics mechanics and the units just work for me. Yes they are slow, blobby, grindy and only work because the AI is dumb. But they are just so happy to be there.
Love your tier-list videos Legend! This is where you truly shine!
Idk how your tier lists actually perform statistically speaking but they are my favorite types of videos you make honestly
Golden Order should be S tier. After you complete the first objective you can choose to stay in Cathay or go home and get 0 cost on all armies for 10 turns. If you plan ahead early game you can return home with a few stacks and swarm a nearby faction like Couronne to get a strong starting position. Not to mention loads of campaign abilities like instant unlimited recruitment for mages at any settlement (don't even need the mage building tree), giving yourself free gold, replenishing army movement, lots of cataclysm spells, and factionwide winds of magic cost reduction. You can also make bank selling settlements to Franz. The AI will pay all the gold they have for your uninhabitable tier one norsca settlements on the brink of rebellion.
For me the entire southern half of the map (except Oxyotl) is a tier lower than it otherwise would be, simply because anyone on that half of the map will have to contend with Kairos' inevitable empire, but Teclis definitely has it the hardest, so I agree with your assessment there. Oxyotl gets a pass because the land is useable for him and gets to fight Kairos early, while the Chameleon stalkers still counter most of the Tzeentch units.
The nurgle case is on point. I can't agree more with you on that. Really, REALLY want to like him but I'd rather play Festus
I got Nakai done everyone said it sucked but I loved it. Not managing cities was a nice change.
My most recent empire campaign in WH3 went very smoothly. I completely changed my tactics around and just sat about restoring - constantly - my electors' territory. I refused to confederate anyone until I was CERTAIN I could defend that territory.
I played the campaign very defensively. While I have several armies, they are mostly "defensive" in their composition, mostly spearmen and crossbowmen (b/c they can fire OVER the walls) with very little in terms of gunpowder or cavalry. They're really just meant to defend walled cities, and they're quite strong at that, especially when you add in a couple of mortars.
I don't think my Imperial Authority has dipped negative once this entire campaign. Just have to be very picky about what to build and when, what to recruit and when, and when to engage (to keep losses low so foreign soil regen keeps you topped off). The last place you wanna be is helping an elector and your army sitting at around 25% manpower, because you'll die.
Empire is ABSOLUTELY not geared to be played in the say was as something like Beastmen or Archaon.
I like Daniel, having access to all the chaos units is great but there's just so much going on with the "dress up" it just gets overwhelming and I wish I could get into it but I can't
I love Nagarythes campaign in WH3. Ended up in wars from multiple directions which just kept me engaged. Really fun campaign.
I enjoyed Malekith as I peaced out with the skaven after the first couple of battles then just b lined straight for Valkia and took her out early whilst the Dwarves were occupied, then helped the skaven kill the dwarves.
This is honestly the most important tier list for IE - if you’re not having fun in a singleplayer campaign you need to rethink your life choices
I'm glad I'm not the only person that likes Throgg. Playing a modded all troll armies campaign, so very fun.
"They make you feel you're a khorne warshipper which I ofcourse am not". Right. Solid save.
who's a warship anyways
I just finished a demon Prince campaign focussed to tzeentch, with the master of fates outfit. It was a difficult but engaging campaign. You had to really plan your campaigns ahead. And prepare the correct armies for who you face.
The sheer amount of units gave me option paralysis 🤣
This is exactly what I wanted. I dont care how strong a faction is, I wanna know which ones are fun. Still looking for a campaign that doesnt get boring after the first 20 turns, altough that seems to be the case for most factions once you've stabilized and have an army that can autoresolve basically anything
Play Katarin. You have to cleanse everything, because your AI Empire neighbors and Kostaltyn will just get their asses kicked.
You have the early campaign: consolidating the area around you, fighting off Clan Moulder and Azhag, and maybe conquering Sylvania if you have time. The the midgame kicks in right away, because as soon as you get over all that, Norsca and all the Chaos factions are coming south for you, and you fight over the Norscan provinces with them, and sometimes the Chaos dwarves. All the while you have the tools to succeed, but enemies abound. Then, after all that, you have a crusade, the invasion of the Chaos Wastes to destroy your enemies once and for all.
Autores for Kislev can also really kick you in the teeth sometimes, so you will definitely continue to manual some battles, especially against powerful Chaos warbands led by the LLs. But not enough to get annoying imo, like lizardmen sometimes get.
I admit I am an unredeemable Empire player (Karl, Volkmar, Balt and Wulf in that order) but also the SFO and Mixus, South Realms and Marienburg Mods. Wood and High Helves are coming second. I had a lot of fun with characters like Oxyotl and Yuan Bo. Finally I had a blast of a time playing the Mods for “Vampire” : Nagash and Blood Dragons
As far as disaster battles go. If I can win, but my army is practically destroyed by the time it ends, can I still send it over?
Confederation limits is why I use the Recruit Defeated LL mod. Also the fact its nigh impossible to get some Lords in a confederation when playing as another, even in Wh3 where AI doesnt confed as much. It also helps TK, Vcoast and Chaos factions.
I just had a blast with Skarbrand where my 2nd army was led by Nkari. Not very lore friendly, but fun.
Personally largely agree with the S tier list. Those DLC factions just deserve to be up there, they have winner mechanics and everybody knows that. Same with how base factions have NOTHING special or unique, which is why playing Mazda or Malekith in SFO feels way more rewarding. The rest is personal preference and the fact Legend plays on legendary only. Like he doesnt like vampires only because theyre not challenging enough to him, but there isnt anything inherently wrong with their campaigns at all.
I still dont think the dark elves are as bad as everyone makes them out to be, but they definitely need to get THEIR OWN slave mechanics back. Not having healing (only limited access by characters) also makes them way harder than lot of other races who can just heal to full every battle.
After playing Ogres, I also dont think the camp/meat mechanic is that bad as to hinder the campaign. You can get to lategame stacks super early as Ogres, which means you can diss all the lame gnoblars and just trample fools in your way. Their shooting is kinda janky though. Ironblasters are meh since the nerf because of pvp and Leadbelchers will shoot friendlies in the back if youre not careful.
I had HE, Skaven, DE, Lizards and TK as my clear personal top5 in Wh2, in that order. I just like elves and big monsters. But playing Chaos or Norsca was just miserable. Didnt play enough Beastmen either, and thematically I like them the least of all factions anyhow.
That definitely changed with Wh3. I still love HE and Skaven... but I do think WoC, especially Belakor, is firmly in the top3 now. Outside top3, I honestly have no idea. Lizards and TK feel kinda dated now, and whilst the monster mash is fine still, there are contenders. DE is still around, so are WE. I like Cathay more than I thought I would, same with Ogres and Khorne. Chaos Dwarfs have also been phenomenal.
It honestly feels good to say I do like most, if not all factions right now. Only havent played Nurgle, but on SFO I wager even they would be fun. And I do like Daniel honestly.. all demon armies with a bunch of RoRs even with the horrible disintegration mechanic are just really powerful mid-to late game.
Finally a truly unbiased objective tier list 🤣
Imagine if Legend from the past could hear himself saying how much he enjoys playing Beastmen.
Interesting that you appreciate Belegars campaign so little. I think the task to retake the capital and struggle with the early economy debuff is amazing, strong opponents nearby makes this a real challenge and quite entertaining imo. Good video otherwise, I can agree with most of the other takes.
I can't speak for legend, but for me it is a case of only being fun once. It was great to have that struggle but I don't know if I would enjoy multiple campaigns of it.
Out of curiosity: do you usually leave the Vaults behind and come to Karak Eight Peaks with full strength early on, or do you actually keep the Vaults? In WH2 I struggled to keep the Vaults due to the goblin menace, so I took my armies across the badlands, which was quite fun. I don't feel the need to do that in WH3.
I used to agree on Skarbrand but after playing him a few times he's just TOO EASY. Strength rank 1 by turn 3, level 50 LL by turn 20, is fantastic until you realize it also comes with the tedium of managing a -20K economy every turn and maneuvering 10 armies all over the place so early in the campaign. The amount of army management Khorne does on turn 10 is similar to any other faction at turn 100 which is about where I burn out from it.
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My S tier is shorter and I added one TODAY because I didn't play with this faction before: Dazhoath the Ashen. SO MUCH FUN! My other favorites are Ikkit Klaw, Taurox and Grom the Paunch.
Each one completely unique and imho the 4 make for the top design CA achieved while also having MANY cool units to watch destroying others in bloody combat.
I didn't think he even knew what fun was. He's like the total war accountant, calculating the ROI on the gold you spent on units
I firmly disagree with Carcasonne being A-tier
They are maybe the most boxed-in faction of the entire game. Being literally next to 4 other legendary lords (grom, orion, morghur and ikit claw) and pretty close to kemmler too.
You have to declare on Paravon, otherwise Orion is going to take those settlements away from you and you will have to pay (a great deal) or those are gone for at least 15 turns because you start out with treaties with him.
The most annoying part is Ikit Claw being able to jump in 1-turn to your capital (when it takes 10 turns to reach his) so if he declares on you like in turn 5 like he always does, you literally cant move your army until you are able to afford another one.
It will take a while for you to get horses going because of limited buildingslots (compared to all other 3 ll's who either can either recruit horses right away or have enough buildingslots to cover) because your economy buildings take 2 slots to work. And while you do get a few extra peasants, they still are garbage. Initial settlement growth is slow, as Bretonnia's growth really stacks with the more (adjacent) provinces you have.
Their techs suck but that is with all bretonnia factions (specially those stupid confed techs who are all useless within 5 turns), all techs still feel very WH1-ish. And Grail Guardians are even with upkeep reduction for her, like 600 upkeep per turn.
I think Carcasonne should belong in C-tier, maybe even D-Tier.
Does Carcassonne start in contact with Ikit? I can't remember but the last time I played them Ikit only started breathing on my neck after I already had half of Bretonnia and Estalia
@@houndofculann1793 yeah I believe they do, need to check it to be 100%
Mr. Legend I need your help.
I am losing my legion of chaos campaign.
There are dwarves everywhere.
It feels like none of my units (most khorne) stand a chance against these little bearded men.
What counter dwarfs best?
Am open to any suggestions.
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This is the tier list I've been waiting for! I have so little time to play, so when I do. I prefer it be fun. I get everyone's taste is a little different but this is a great baseline.
3 minutes in.
Take a shot every time Legend says "as for" and die.
Gelt doesn't have to deal with imperial authority unless he goes back into empire land
Yes, more tier lists!
As someone who has never played the Khorne campaign because I thought the exact things you did about how I would like them... I will have to give em a try.
I love kislev the units being hybrid makes battles so fun to me since i can try out different formations to compliment there range attackes before engaging in melee
I loved the way presented the sponser first time watching a sponsored section 9f a video twice.
Ngl mate and idk why but ever since you started making tier lists years ago I get more excited about them then any other video on TH-cam and I'm subbed to like 200 people
Side note, any chance of a medivil 2 tier list? :D
I had a blast playing poxmakers of nurgle once I got past their initial major disadvantage. Guess I’m insane…
the irony is that i had the most fun with Saltspire out of all these factions many playthroughs in a row, it's like it was made for me
HOW? I hate it every time I try to enjoy it… I like the difficult in theory but in practice I just enjoy every other coast faction more. Teach me how to not make the campaign suck
I love Queen Khalida, she is one of my favorites, but oh my god is her start tough
Order of Loremasters is higher than I expected.
Thanks for the video!
Love the tier lists. So fun to watch or even listen to.
Damn, i didn't thought we had so much in common. Our prefrences are pretty the same. With two exeptions, i like Cylostra and Kalida a lot. The Kav based Army of Kalida is so much fun.
For me the Crone campaign was the most fun I've ever had in WH2. You actually have an incentive to capture more slaves and raid your neighbors instead of just snowballing with slave economy and wait for Rites to refresh. Also, Witch Elves are my favorite unit in WH2. Morathi should've had some campaign and faction mechanics to buff them.
With the new changing of the ways "force peace" I absolutely love Kairos, it makes the campaign so much more fun, because no more anti player bias, you can always focus on one enemy, also the economy is so weak, that it's hard to maintain many armies, has quite strong starting enemies, so I for me it's challenging, but really fun. Talsyn on the other hand is now so owerpowered that I don't enjoy it anymore, at turn 70 when you own all magical forests, and have 30 armies, and just trying find new enemies is too much I think. Especially that WE roster is one of the strongest in the game, they shouldn't be able to afford 30 armies.
Currently about 15 hours into my first campaign. Playing Taurox. Loving it at the moment, but despite everything ive read online i cannot make Torox himself feel powerful
Warriors of Chaos is by far the best Rework they have ever done. Best Part are your "generic" Lords in my Opinion, since you´re not recruiting Hans Nr. 7 but have to really invest in them and get rewarded with a badass Demonprince.
there is a mod that makes greasus gold tooth more into an ogre tyrant and its way way more fun to play as him then lol
"Khrone faction makes you feel like a Khorne Worshipper."
Pause.
"When I'm really not."
SUSSY MCGOOSE! SUSSY MCGOOSE!
for some reasons karl is still my fav campaign
Always enjoy tier lists. How about a few for the OG games, like faction tier list for rome 1 or medieval 2?
Nagaryte is the only high elves faction that can travel like burrowing or beast path, making this faction so flexible
See, i still really enjoy and rate Karl Franzs campaign. Its a hard campaign with constant, varied enemies, seccesionist and possibly Marienburg to start, then Festus, then the von Carsteins, then Norsca and Archaon. With brief interludes for Orcs and Ogres.
Playing the "good" emperor and reinstating all the electors so you can confederate them is a great roleplay challenge, you end up with lots of solid lords, with Runefangs. Definetly the best narrative campaign in the game.
I bailed Boris after archeon destroyed my army for the first time. I played a second time and went straight for Norsca so I could befriend the rest of Kislev and actually have an economy. Then I went for vengeance against archeon and the rest of the chaos wastes. And out of nowhere my end times scenario was.... With THE FUCKING DWARFS. my alliance with them got broken and the game blamed me, so I got to very low reliability, the treacherous elves embargoed me and destroyed my economy, and HOW TF those dwarfs are only at war with me?? Why they are not at war with those knife eared bastards too?? Once I finish my vengeance campaign as the Chorfs (the objective is the extinction of all dwarfs and elves) I might give it a continue to my Boris campaign
Well, here's something unexpected for you. I completely agree with this list at this stage of the game. Thanks for the video!
Will be nice to see the new ones with the dwarfs and empire being much more fun now!
Nice to see a tier list based on fun! I thought about doing this for a while but I'm not a streamer, lol.