I may not have been clear at the end: the point is to use DLSS-Quality in the end, which is now the same as DLSS-Ultra Quality, which MSFS doesn't offer. The reason I used Ultra Performance as an example of the resolution is that it's a 50% downscale, so the math is easy to make sure it's working. If you are running DLSS-Quality now and get good performance, this is a way of getting a better image quality than you are currently seeing. If you can use DLSS-DLAA right now, then you're fine, no modding necessary! But you may find that different aircraft, different regions, different types of flying (small plane sightseeing vs. airliners into big cities) require different graphics setups. Just giving you options, folks!
Wow! I was using the old method for a couple of months with a 20% increase in frame rates and was happy. Now I'm using this method I've gone from a steady 45-48 fps to 80 fps with absoloutely no micro stutters! I was running a mix of Ultra and High settings and now manage 75-80fps with settings all maxed out on a RTX 2070 super! You are doing some real valuable work on this, many thanks!👍
Wow man!! Thanks a million!! I set the quality preset to 0.80. and with my pico 4, 4080 and 13600 i got stable 36 fps locked with mr. And it is fluid smooth, even flying the 172 over New York. Now i can see the buttons in the airplane sharper and clearer. Thanks again for helping the community mr AWESOME!! 😁😁👍👍😁😁👍👍 Greetings from Norway!! 🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴
Can definitely understand why this is both interesting for people, as well as why they feel its worth their time. For me, while I do watch videos like this, I stopped messing with setting or tracking fps 6 months ago. I just placed my settings within the sim to minimize stutters etc, and then just started enjoying the sim. Couldnt even tell you what my fps is.
FYI, if you right click a file and select "copy as path" it will give you the entire path with the filename in the clipboard instead of doing it in 2 separate steps.
Thanks for the video but honestly I don't see a point in going through all this just to change these settings by 13%. If "Quality" is still not acceptable for your cockpit displays then just use DLAA!!!!! The number of steps needed to apply all these mods the past few months with their to be frank: "limited and very minor" performance improvements is getting ridiculous LOL! (Then is has to be done on every update.) Good tutorial though!!!
Hey no problem, always appreciate any tweaking you offer us out here! (This one had a lot of steps and I was expressing mild frustration with ASOBO, (not you) for not offering this level of control within their own software; an ancient code from a previous generation game that ASOBO is well aware of, that demands this level precise tweaking to get right for any given PC config.) Actually, I tried DLAA last night. Like you , I have the 3080Ti BUT using VR on the Reverb G2. The step up from Quality to DLAA was too much for my current settings for our card, sigh, LOL! (Motion reprojection dropped from solid 30FPS with smooth visuals to a mildly stuttering 22.5 for most terrain.) But pretty happy with Quality since I can read cockpit displays just fine; any lower and displays get to fuzzy for my taste. I could see no difference looking at terrain between the two settings, seems to mainly effect cockpit display quality from my limited perception which is from an "Old man eyes perspective." He, He! (I might consider playing with this Ultra-Quality setting at some point but happy with default quality for now.) Happy simming sir!@@IslandSimPilot
I just wanted to say thank you for this excellent video, our combined knowledge is solving a lot of problems for a lot of people and improving the flying experience considerably! 😃👍
Thanks for teaching me a lot about DLSS. I shall, though, not be fiddling with the settings until MS can advise on the best settings overall, and then make a decision. Cheers!
Thanks for this clear and concise explanation in this video. In 2D I really see improvement with increase of the FPS. In VR it is still very blurry for me. Glass cockpits (totally unreadable) and landscapes (especially trees) are sometimes so blurry that I get a headache. Given the number of enthusiastic reactions I think that could be better. Am I doing something wrong or could I be missing something? Or am I expecting too much?
You could certainly do that if you use Performance. My thinking is that most people won't because of the image quality reduction. The idea here is that if you use Quality and get good results with that, to push it even further. Fair question though! Just depends on your setup.
Thanks for the detailed video. Unfortunately, I'm still running into ghosting with ANY DL setting (even DLAA) which is just annoying the daylights out of me with a 3080. Anyone seeing that even with DLSS swapper?
@@IslandSimPilot PFD screens primarily; or most noticeably on EICAS watching engine numbers tick long like they’re on a spinning drum instead of an instantaneous digital display. There’s SOME external ghosting like wheels spinning during taxi but far less noticeable than the internal digital screens.
Well... it didn't work for me, so I tried deinstall. For some Reason since I tried. A: my Sim in Start Menu for example looks very bright... B: If I load in, I only get like 20 FPS... usually before about 40 - 50 FPS. Did I do something wrong? Can you please help me? I now have set TAA, wich I had before aswell.
This whole process takes 5 minutes to do, unfortunately a bit longer to explain. If you want to mess with Profile Inspector, more power to you! Plus you can't customize your resolutions. But it's up to you.
Yeah your right you don't have the option to adjust the settings like in the tweak tool but honestly I don't think it's needed unless you want ultra dlss.
This seems like a long winded and pointless process. Why not just select the final quality setting you want? You are somewhat fooling yourself clicking 1 but behind the scenes getting a higher render resolution. I still think DLSS in the sim is awful, even with the swapper. I also have seen no performance gain over TAA. Best of both worlds is to use TAA and lower the Render Scale and get rid of this upscaling. You also do not get the terrible ghosting on glass cockpits which exists regardless of which version of DLSS that you use
It really depends on your hardware and also what planes you typically fly. Also, people have different experiences with ghosting; I basically have none, my glass cockpits are crystal clear using DX12 DLSS. The perfect world is DLSS-DLAA: no downscaling. Personally I’ve got some performance headroom, I’m going to do this to push my Holy Grail settings even further. I promise you that won’t be pointless. 😁 In the end it’s up to you. Nobody has to do anything, I’m just giving you the tools so it’s just available to you should you so choose.
Agreed.... The NvidiaInspector means of accomplishing this with V3.5.1 that is way more solid than V3.1.30.... And why do the confusing DLSS Name Step-Up???? Not necessary and only Ultra-Quality needs F while the others need to remain at default.
Im not a fan of DLSS. Just does not look good when compared to TAA. Ive tried all the tricks, but TAA is the only “clean” image that Ive seen. No ghosting, no artifacts, no tearing etc. Now….with that said, I still have to face lower fps. Recently I tried two addons to assist with this. Both have been pretty impressive so far. First is the Lossless Scaling….only using for the added frame generation. The second is the Auto FPS (known also as the Dynamic Level of Detail). No DLSS mess, no swapper etc. Im seeing smooth flights, using these two, while flying Fenix a320, custom third party international airports, AI traffic, etc etc.
Thanks for always posting excellent content. Have you noticed any intermittent stutters (especially at the tail end of flights) with the FSR-AMD FG mod using the latest NVIDIA driver 551.52? I had to delete the mod to resolve this.
I think this new driver isn't as good as the hotfix one, which was 551.46. I did a video of that driver on my channel with a link to download it if you want to try that one. Honestly I've been tempted to go back to it myself. But I haven't seen that specific problem. I just "feel" like 46 was better than 51, even though there isn't any reason it should be. And thanks so much for the encouragement!
Why not leave all the defaults alone and change the value on "Ultra Quality" to the "0.77"? and also change the preset on that to "F"? while leaving others on default?
I followed your instuctions and my sim is running very smooth without stutters, running on 2K screen and screen resolution set to 2560x1440, GPU GTX3070Ti and CPU i5-12600K. My question is what is going to happen with all those settings when i update my GPU driver or after a FS update?
1. Does the 3.5.1 and other versions above the MSFS used one work for 20** Cards as I seen no difference when just replacing that file. Although it did work for my 3080 card. 2. Do you really need to do all that the "easy way" instead of just replacing with 3.5.1 and then only using PERFORMANCE which is the default 50%? 3. I have seen that if we use the other DLSS Version which includes the letter "G" as DLSSG" then that messes up 20** cards and must only be used for 40 cards as that adds REPRO for those even though we can add REPRO with either of the OpenXR APPS. So the FRAME GEN mod should really not work for VR yet some say it does. It all depends on their proper explanation of what they are in fact using perhaps. I'm not gonna use a swapper as eventually ASOBO will update to using the latest at some point.
If you do anything at all, do the DLSS Swapper thing. It literally takes two seconds and can really make a difference. The only card you need the "G" file for is for 40-series cards. And yes, the 3.5.1 version works for 20-series cards. You don't ALWAYS see a difference, but really you should.
Many thanx for this cool thing. Im running a RTX3060 12Gb, I7 9700K and 32Gb RAM and i'm so happy now. the only thing i do not like is, because i like to use the ingame ATC, that this ATC window jutters when i move the view. i hope, someone will find a solution vor this. Well, i move it out to a other monitor, but not everybody has one....
Hi! I have an i9 12900, 64 gb Ram, a rtx 4090 and I recently bought the Pimax Crystal. I have been watching videos for several days on which is the best setting. The truth is that with almost everything in ultra I can't get above 35 fps with the fenix a320, and with GA I do get about 45 fps. I have tried with dlss 3.7 in DLAA, with TAA, in OpenXR I have set the resolution to 2800. I don't know if I have to go down to High or medium in MSFS, but with the computer I have I think I should have no problem to get 45 fps stable without lowering much the visual quality. Any idea what I can be doing wrong? Thank you
Hey! First thing is that the Fenix is more resource-intensive than other addons, as you have noticed. But in terms of VR I really do not know much about it. Check a channel called VirtuSim on here, he does VR, great guy with a lot of great VR information!
OK, for using DLDSR 1.78x I'll use DLSS quality downscaling to 0.75 as it rounds up to the monitor resolution! DLDSR 1.78x = 1.333 upscaling and 2.25x = 1.5 So 1/1.33=0.75 Better leave beta! hf
If I understand this correctly: the less the downscale is, the smoother is the image I get. So why should I not use DLAA (which does no downscale at all)? In my understanding, this should result in the smoothest image.
The less the downscale, the better quality image you get. If you can use DLAA then by all means you should. It is exactly what I did before I discovered the Holy Grail. That's the ideal.
That’s odd. I’ve heard of that happening to people but it’s very rare. Maybe see if you can find the answer in the Issues section on GitHub? If I find it I’ll let you know, and please let me know if you figure it out. github.com/emoose/DLSSTweaks/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen
At 18:15 your frame rates were 60 FPS and after the Frame Gen Mod. @ 26:08 your frame rate was showing 30 FPS. I thought the Frame Gen Mod. was suppose to Increase your FPS. Instead in this example they were cut in half. Is this what is suppose to happen?
Hey, this happened because I've got my framerates limited in NVCP. The max it will give me is 60 whether running FG or not, and the in-sim FPS counter in DEV mode does not count FG frames. So what happened was, without FG I was getting 60 FPS, with FG I got 60 FPS, but in order to get that 60 with FG it had to cut the actual framerate to 30 and then double it. So the in-sim FPS counter shows 30. If that makes sense. :)
I'm pretty sure that the latest Nvidia drivers removed the possibility of using the Frame Gen mod, can't get the option to show up (GPU Scheduling is on, running an RTX 3070). Could you also show us your complete MSFS graphics settings please? Thanks!
I’ve been worried about that. Are you talking the 551.61 I think it is, the very latest? I’ll have to see if other people experience the same. Did you try uninstalling and re-installing? And there’s a video on my channel I think it’s “my complete settings”. Let me know if you don’t see it.
No matter what I do I can't seem to enable the Frame Gen mod with this. I just got my MSFS reinstalled so I was happy to follow this guide with my new setup but even after following the steps corerctly, the Frame Gen setting is not showing in MSFS. Everything else works though. Any tips?
Got it to work! Anyone having the same issue of Frame Gen not showing in the settings: I was missing the "version.dll" from the MSFS.exe folder which comes with the Universal version of the Frame Gen mod. After installing that, all is working fine!
I noticed after you finished the DLSS Tweaks, you were getting 60 FPS. But after you finished the Frame Gen Mod, you were getting 30 FPS. Is that right that you lost about 30 FPS? I must be missing something.
I noticed the same. The reason is that I’ve got my max FPS limited to 60 using NVCP, and the frame counter in Dev Mode only counts the non-frame gen frames if that makes sense. So my system is limiting my frames to 60, which is 30 native and then 30 more from the frame gen mod = 60. In a lot of scenarios in the sim I don’t need frame gen, and in this scenario in downscaling 50%, so I was easily hitting 60.
MSI Afterburner will give you the total frame rate number if you want to see it in action (no overclocking required). I'm currently getting 90 fps (combined) with an RTX 4060 and i7 7700k with lower power consumption compared to my previous 1080Ti and i7 7700k solution which maxed out at 30 fps. 👍
@@GWills-ys6rd Using the MSFS fps counter, I typically get 60 fps using the DLSS+DSR without Frame Gen, and with Frame Gen enabled my frame rate dropped about 25 frames. Now I installed the MSI Afterburner, enabled its frame rate counter, using DLSS+DSR+FG, MSI Afterburner reported 80 fps. I didn't use FG before because I was losing too much frames, but with the MSI Afterburner I was getting a lot more. So the question is why the MSFS fps counter is so different than the MSI counter? And which one is consider accurate?
For you I would try DX12 DLSS-DLAA and see how performance is. If it is good, let me know! You have native Frame Gen with that card, so you should be able to just turn it on in MSFS.
Hey! If you used the “normal” version you should be able to just remove the files from your MSFS content folder and then right click and select “Merge” on the disablenvidiasigoverride.reg file. See here: github.com/emoose/DLSSTweaks Please let me know if that works for you!
Hello, in order to have just DLAA no DLSS working with the latest DLSS from the DLSS Swapper do we need any of this or just swapping the DLSS will do? Thank you!
Hey! Nope, you don't have to do any of this unless you want to, you can run DLSS without changing any of this. I would use DLSS Swapper to update the DLSS file though.
Every time you post a new video I learn something else about my set up. I followed the new instructions to the T. but now I realized my render res. is not half of my game resolution. Any idea of what I could have done wrong?? The log file seems fine, no errors.
@@Hypnotoast Yeah with Ultimate Performance your new downscale should be 50%, so you should see "render" being half of your monitor resolution. If it's not working I can only think you may have missed a small step or done things slightly out of order. This process is finicky, it took me two days to get right. How is your performance normally with DLSS-Quality? If it's pretty good but DLSS-DLAA is not, then this process is probably worth it for you.
@@IslandSimPilotOk, that's what I thought. Yeah, performance with DLSS-Q and the frame gen. mod is perfect for me. Solid butter smooth 50fps with Ultra settings enabled (3080 card and 100Hz refresh rate). I will go over those steps once again. Thanks again!
I don't see why not. I'm not a VR guy so I can't try it out for you, but if DX12 works with VR (and I am sure it does), then this should work as well. The way to test it is, if you get good performance with DX12 DLSS-Quality and you think you have performance headroom, this would be worth doing.
I don't understand the interest ??? You set Quality to get Ultra quality... waow ! All that stuff for so few ? Isn't it simpler to set Ultra quality to get... ultra quality ??
One question... in MSFS I use TAA for antialiasing and Nvidia DLSS frame generation because text on PFD and ND is blurry with DLSS antialiasing. Do you think this tweak could solve that ?@@IslandSimPilot
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I may not have been clear at the end: the point is to use DLSS-Quality in the end, which is now the same as DLSS-Ultra Quality, which MSFS doesn't offer. The reason I used Ultra Performance as an example of the resolution is that it's a 50% downscale, so the math is easy to make sure it's working. If you are running DLSS-Quality now and get good performance, this is a way of getting a better image quality than you are currently seeing. If you can use DLSS-DLAA right now, then you're fine, no modding necessary! But you may find that different aircraft, different regions, different types of flying (small plane sightseeing vs. airliners into big cities) require different graphics setups. Just giving you options, folks!
Most detailed and patient tutorial even teach you how to copy and paste😂
Yeah because if people leave the file extension off…
Wow! I was using the old method for a couple of months with a 20% increase in frame rates and was happy. Now I'm using this method I've gone from a steady 45-48 fps to 80 fps with absoloutely no micro stutters! I was running a mix of Ultra and High settings and now manage 75-80fps with settings all maxed out on a RTX 2070 super! You are doing some real valuable work on this, many thanks!👍
I am super glad to hear that, Mike! Really glad that it worked so well for you. Hapy simming!
Wow man!! Thanks a million!! I set the quality preset to 0.80. and with my pico 4, 4080 and 13600 i got stable 36 fps locked with mr. And it is fluid smooth, even flying the 172 over New York. Now i can see the buttons in the airplane sharper and clearer. Thanks again for helping the community mr AWESOME!! 😁😁👍👍😁😁👍👍 Greetings from Norway!! 🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴
Can definitely understand why this is both interesting for people, as well as why they feel its worth their time. For me, while I do watch videos like this, I stopped messing with setting or tracking fps 6 months ago. I just placed my settings within the sim to minimize stutters etc, and then just started enjoying the sim. Couldnt even tell you what my fps is.
Tried it with my old school CPU and it worked smoother than ever before.
My rig:
i7 8700 (NON K)
3060Ti
32GB 3200mhz
I'm very glad to hear that!
FYI, if you right click a file and select "copy as path" it will give you the entire path with the filename in the clipboard instead of doing it in 2 separate steps.
Never even saw that! 😂 That's probably been there for 20 years. Thanks!!!
@@IslandSimPilotI honestly have no idea if it was around pre Win 11 but I know it's there. hahah. But glad I could make things easier in the future.
Thanks for the video but honestly I don't see a point in going through all this just to change these settings by 13%. If "Quality" is still not acceptable for your cockpit displays then just use DLAA!!!!! The number of steps needed to apply all these mods the past few months with their to be frank: "limited and very minor" performance improvements is getting ridiculous LOL! (Then is has to be done on every update.) Good tutorial though!!!
Yep, if you can use DLAA more power to you. Just presenting options!
Hey no problem, always appreciate any tweaking you offer us out here! (This one had a lot of steps and I was expressing mild frustration with ASOBO, (not you) for not offering this level of control within their own software; an ancient code from a previous generation game that ASOBO is well aware of, that demands this level precise tweaking to get right for any given PC config.) Actually, I tried DLAA last night. Like you , I have the 3080Ti BUT using VR on the Reverb G2. The step up from Quality to DLAA was too much for my current settings for our card, sigh, LOL! (Motion reprojection dropped from solid 30FPS with smooth visuals to a mildly stuttering 22.5 for most terrain.) But pretty happy with Quality since I can read cockpit displays just fine; any lower and displays get to fuzzy for my taste. I could see no difference looking at terrain between the two settings, seems to mainly effect cockpit display quality from my limited perception which is from an "Old man eyes perspective." He, He! (I might consider playing with this Ultra-Quality setting at some point but happy with default quality for now.) Happy simming sir!@@IslandSimPilot
I just wanted to say thank you for this excellent video, our combined knowledge is solving a lot of problems for a lot of people and improving the flying experience considerably! 😃👍
Thank you so much, this kind of feedback is so encouraging! And nice to see you this afternoon in the stream!
@@IslandSimPilot No problem at all. My first experience with MSFS was in 1996! We've come a long way since then! 😃👍
@@GWills-ys6rd That is for SURE!!!
Yessss 👍 Gracias por la explicación bien clara, todo funciona de Maravillas 😇🙌
Thanks for teaching me a lot about DLSS. I shall, though, not be fiddling with the settings until MS can advise on the best settings overall, and then make a decision. Cheers!
Totally reasonable position to take!
Thanks very much. I followed this steps and works. It was a great tutorial.
Thank you for letting me know, I really appreciate the support!
I finally understand DLSS. Thanks.
Glad to hear it!
Thanks for this clear and concise explanation in this video. In 2D I really see improvement with increase of the FPS. In VR it is still very blurry for me. Glass cockpits (totally unreadable) and landscapes (especially trees) are sometimes so blurry that I get a headache. Given the number of enthusiastic reactions I think that could be better. Am I doing something wrong or could I be missing something? Or am I expecting too much?
Thanks.
How about you just use performance without using the tweek? Would that be the same not not ha e to go through all of these?
You could certainly do that if you use Performance. My thinking is that most people won't because of the image quality reduction. The idea here is that if you use Quality and get good results with that, to push it even further. Fair question though! Just depends on your setup.
Thanks for the detailed video. Unfortunately, I'm still running into ghosting with ANY DL setting (even DLAA) which is just annoying the daylights out of me with a 3080. Anyone seeing that even with DLSS swapper?
What kind of ghosting are you getting? Is it windows, is it PFD screens? It's weird because I don't get any (or any that bothers me anyway).
@@IslandSimPilot PFD screens primarily; or most noticeably on EICAS watching engine numbers tick long like they’re on a spinning drum instead of an instantaneous digital display. There’s SOME external ghosting like wheels spinning during taxi but far less noticeable than the internal digital screens.
Hi! Do Folks that have RTX 40 series (4070 in case) should use the native card frame generator or this one of the mod file?
Hey doc! I would use native frame gen if you have it.
Ok! Thanks for your attention!! @@IslandSimPilot
@@dr.cataojr.3908 Gladly!
thks sir will try tomorrow too
Well... it didn't work for me, so I tried deinstall. For some Reason since I tried. A: my Sim in Start Menu for example looks very bright... B: If I load in, I only get like 20 FPS... usually before about 40 - 50 FPS. Did I do something wrong? Can you please help me? I now have set TAA, wich I had before aswell.
All of this is easier than using the profile inspector ... I'm not to sure about that.
This whole process takes 5 minutes to do, unfortunately a bit longer to explain. If you want to mess with Profile Inspector, more power to you! Plus you can't customize your resolutions. But it's up to you.
Yeah your right you don't have the option to adjust the settings like in the tweak tool but honestly I don't think it's needed unless you want ultra dlss.
Im quite familiar with profile inspector, do you have a tutorial for this on inspector?
I don’t see content folder on steam version of msfs.
my game dont have opcion dlls in game to change.... im on version 1.19 ....needd to update ?
This seems like a long winded and pointless process. Why not just select the final quality setting you want? You are somewhat fooling yourself clicking 1 but behind the scenes getting a higher render resolution. I still think DLSS in the sim is awful, even with the swapper. I also have seen no performance gain over TAA. Best of both worlds is to use TAA and lower the Render Scale and get rid of this upscaling. You also do not get the terrible ghosting on glass cockpits which exists regardless of which version of DLSS that you use
It really depends on your hardware and also what planes you typically fly. Also, people have different experiences with ghosting; I basically have none, my glass cockpits are crystal clear using DX12 DLSS. The perfect world is DLSS-DLAA: no downscaling. Personally I’ve got some performance headroom, I’m going to do this to push my Holy Grail settings even further. I promise you that won’t be pointless. 😁
In the end it’s up to you. Nobody has to do anything, I’m just giving you the tools so it’s just available to you should you so choose.
Agreed.... The NvidiaInspector means of accomplishing this with V3.5.1 that is way more solid than V3.1.30.... And why do the confusing DLSS Name Step-Up???? Not necessary and only Ultra-Quality needs F while the others need to remain at default.
It works ok VR with DX12?
Im not a fan of DLSS. Just does not look good when compared to TAA. Ive tried all the tricks, but TAA is the only “clean” image that Ive seen. No ghosting, no artifacts, no tearing etc. Now….with that said, I still have to face lower fps. Recently I tried two addons to assist with this. Both have been pretty impressive so far. First is the Lossless Scaling….only using for the added frame generation. The second is the Auto FPS (known also as the Dynamic Level of Detail). No DLSS mess, no swapper etc. Im seeing smooth flights, using these two, while flying Fenix a320, custom third party international airports, AI traffic, etc etc.
Thanks for always posting excellent content. Have you noticed any intermittent stutters (especially at the tail end of flights) with the FSR-AMD FG mod using the latest NVIDIA driver 551.52? I had to delete the mod to resolve this.
I think this new driver isn't as good as the hotfix one, which was 551.46. I did a video of that driver on my channel with a link to download it if you want to try that one. Honestly I've been tempted to go back to it myself. But I haven't seen that specific problem. I just "feel" like 46 was better than 51, even though there isn't any reason it should be.
And thanks so much for the encouragement!
The latest driver was causing CTDs after a few minutes. I’m rolling back to the hot fix to see if that works.
Why not leave all the defaults alone and change the value on "Ultra Quality" to the "0.77"? and also change the preset on that to "F"? while leaving others on default?
I followed your instuctions and my sim is running very smooth without stutters, running on 2K screen and screen resolution set to 2560x1440, GPU GTX3070Ti and CPU i5-12600K.
My question is what is going to happen with all those settings when i update my GPU driver or after a FS update?
Are you still using the DSR - Factors and DSR - Smoothness 60% in the Nvidia control panel with this?
1. Does the 3.5.1 and other versions above the MSFS used one work for 20** Cards as I seen no difference when just replacing that file. Although it did work for my 3080 card.
2. Do you really need to do all that the "easy way" instead of just replacing with 3.5.1 and then only using PERFORMANCE which is the default 50%?
3. I have seen that if we use the other DLSS Version which includes the letter "G" as DLSSG" then that messes up 20** cards and must only be used for 40 cards as that adds REPRO for those even though we can add REPRO with either of the OpenXR APPS. So the FRAME GEN mod should really not work for VR yet some say it does. It all depends on their proper explanation of what they are in fact using perhaps.
I'm not gonna use a swapper as eventually ASOBO will update to using the latest at some point.
If you do anything at all, do the DLSS Swapper thing. It literally takes two seconds and can really make a difference. The only card you need the "G" file for is for 40-series cards. And yes, the 3.5.1 version works for 20-series cards. You don't ALWAYS see a difference, but really you should.
Many thanx for this cool thing. Im running a RTX3060 12Gb, I7 9700K and 32Gb RAM and i'm so happy now. the only thing i do not like is, because i like to use the ingame ATC, that this ATC window jutters when i move the view. i hope, someone will find a solution vor this. Well, i move it out to a other monitor, but not everybody has one....
Sadly it doesn't work with my GTX 1080 card. NVIDIA DLSS FRAME GENERATION doesn't show up in settings. LukeFZ's version does perfectly.
Oh good! Glad to know one of them works anyway. I had a 1080 for a long time and thought the performance in MSFS was pretty good.
Hi! I have an i9 12900, 64 gb Ram, a rtx 4090 and I recently bought the Pimax Crystal. I have been watching videos for several days on which is the best setting. The truth is that with almost everything in ultra I can't get above 35 fps with the fenix a320, and with GA I do get about 45 fps. I have tried with dlss 3.7 in DLAA, with TAA, in OpenXR I have set the resolution to 2800.
I don't know if I have to go down to High or medium in MSFS, but with the computer I have I think I should have no problem to get 45 fps stable without lowering much the visual quality.
Any idea what I can be doing wrong? Thank you
Hey! First thing is that the Fenix is more resource-intensive than other addons, as you have noticed. But in terms of VR I really do not know much about it. Check a channel called VirtuSim on here, he does VR, great guy with a lot of great VR information!
OK, for using DLDSR 1.78x I'll use DLSS quality downscaling to 0.75 as it rounds up to the monitor resolution! DLDSR 1.78x = 1.333 upscaling and 2.25x = 1.5
So 1/1.33=0.75
Better leave beta! hf
Ha! That's good math right there. Let me know how it works!
If I understand this correctly: the less the downscale is, the smoother is the image I get. So why should I not use DLAA (which does no downscale at all)? In my understanding, this should result in the smoothest image.
The less the downscale, the better quality image you get. If you can use DLAA then by all means you should. It is exactly what I did before I discovered the Holy Grail. That's the ideal.
Got as far as opening the tweek right clicking on NvidiaSigOverride the merge fuction does not appear at all on my pc any ideas
That’s odd. I’ve heard of that happening to people but it’s very rare. Maybe see if you can find the answer in the Issues section on GitHub? If I find it I’ll let you know, and please let me know if you figure it out.
github.com/emoose/DLSSTweaks/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen
Sir it works for me ! What about passing DLSS in 3.5.10.0 version it will work ?
Thanks for the video. I have also like you two Microsoft files, the XBOX and the APPdata one on my PC. Any idea how to eliminate one?
Actually those are one and the same, don't change anything. What I have is two of them in my XBOX folder.
At 18:15 your frame rates were 60 FPS and after the Frame Gen Mod. @ 26:08 your frame rate was showing 30 FPS. I thought the Frame Gen Mod. was suppose to Increase your FPS. Instead in this example they were cut in half. Is this what is suppose to happen?
Yes, we are discussing this in other comments here. Some of us are seeing different frame counts in other FPS monitors such as MSI Afterburner.
Hey, this happened because I've got my framerates limited in NVCP. The max it will give me is 60 whether running FG or not, and the in-sim FPS counter in DEV mode does not count FG frames. So what happened was, without FG I was getting 60 FPS, with FG I got 60 FPS, but in order to get that 60 with FG it had to cut the actual framerate to 30 and then double it. So the in-sim FPS counter shows 30. If that makes sense. :)
I'm pretty sure that the latest Nvidia drivers removed the possibility of using the Frame Gen mod, can't get the option to show up (GPU Scheduling is on, running an RTX 3070). Could you also show us your complete MSFS graphics settings please? Thanks!
I’ve been worried about that. Are you talking the 551.61 I think it is, the very latest? I’ll have to see if other people experience the same. Did you try uninstalling and re-installing? And there’s a video on my channel I think it’s “my complete settings”. Let me know if you don’t see it.
@@IslandSimPilot 551.61 it is, yep! I can downgrade I guess but at the same time I want to be up to date just in case...
No matter what I do I can't seem to enable the Frame Gen mod with this. I just got my MSFS reinstalled so I was happy to follow this guide with my new setup but even after following the steps corerctly, the Frame Gen setting is not showing in MSFS. Everything else works though. Any tips?
Got it to work! Anyone having the same issue of Frame Gen not showing in the settings: I was missing the "version.dll" from the MSFS.exe folder which comes with the Universal version of the Frame Gen mod. After installing that, all is working fine!
Hey! Thanks so much for sharing your solution! I really appreciate it and I’m glad you got it to work.
I noticed after you finished the DLSS Tweaks, you were getting 60 FPS. But after you finished the Frame Gen Mod, you were getting 30 FPS. Is that right that you lost about 30 FPS? I must be missing something.
I noticed the same. The reason is that I’ve got my max FPS limited to 60 using NVCP, and the frame counter in Dev Mode only counts the non-frame gen frames if that makes sense. So my system is limiting my frames to 60, which is 30 native and then 30 more from the frame gen mod = 60. In a lot of scenarios in the sim I don’t need frame gen, and in this scenario in downscaling 50%, so I was easily hitting 60.
MSI Afterburner will give you the total frame rate number if you want to see it in action (no overclocking required). I'm currently getting 90 fps (combined) with an RTX 4060 and i7 7700k with lower power consumption compared to my previous 1080Ti and i7 7700k solution which maxed out at 30 fps. 👍
@@GWills-ys6rd Careful with MSI afterburner and the FG mod, at one point it was causing crashes. Just FYI.
@@GWills-ys6rd I will give it a try to see the FPS counter. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@GWills-ys6rd Using the MSFS fps counter, I typically get 60 fps using the DLSS+DSR without Frame Gen, and with Frame Gen enabled my frame rate dropped about 25 frames.
Now I installed the MSI Afterburner, enabled its frame rate counter, using DLSS+DSR+FG, MSI Afterburner reported 80 fps. I didn't use FG before because I was losing too much frames, but with the MSI Afterburner I was getting a lot more. So the question is why the MSFS fps counter is so different than the MSI counter? And which one is consider accurate?
So, I just purchased an RTX 4070 Dual OC, does any of this apply to me?
For you I would try DX12 DLSS-DLAA and see how performance is. If it is good, let me know! You have native Frame Gen with that card, so you should be able to just turn it on in MSFS.
Is there a good way to uninstall without messing things up? My sim went nuts with it.
Hey! If you used the “normal” version you should be able to just remove the files from your MSFS content folder and then right click and select “Merge” on the disablenvidiasigoverride.reg file. See here: github.com/emoose/DLSSTweaks
Please let me know if that works for you!
Hello, in order to have just DLAA no DLSS working with the latest DLSS from the DLSS Swapper do we need any of this or just swapping the DLSS will do?
Thank you!
Hey! Nope, you don't have to do any of this unless you want to, you can run DLSS without changing any of this. I would use DLSS Swapper to update the DLSS file though.
@@IslandSimPilot Thank you for response!!
@@zaelu Gladly! Happy simming!
Is there any way to fix the blurry screens that are occurring due to dlss?
Not really, the only thing is when they update the DLSS file. How bad is your ghosting?
Every time you post a new video I learn something else about my set up. I followed the new instructions to the T. but now I realized my render res. is not half of my game resolution. Any idea of what I could have done wrong?? The log file seems fine, no errors.
Hey! That’s with selecting Ultimate Performance?
@@IslandSimPilotThat happens with any of the DLSS options I select. Are you saying this only applies to Ultimate Performance?
@@Hypnotoast Yeah with Ultimate Performance your new downscale should be 50%, so you should see "render" being half of your monitor resolution. If it's not working I can only think you may have missed a small step or done things slightly out of order. This process is finicky, it took me two days to get right. How is your performance normally with DLSS-Quality? If it's pretty good but DLSS-DLAA is not, then this process is probably worth it for you.
@@IslandSimPilotOk, that's what I thought. Yeah, performance with DLSS-Q and the frame gen. mod is perfect for me. Solid butter smooth 50fps with Ultra settings enabled (3080 card and 100Hz refresh rate). I will go over those steps once again. Thanks again!
@@HypnotoastHonestly if you're happy with that, it sounds like very good performance. Very similar to what I run sometimes.
Hello is it only able to use in rtx graphic cards ?
Gtx 1060 can not
A good tip,but do I have to do this again with every MSFS update ?
Nope! This is just one and done.
@@IslandSimPilot that's good to know :)
I try this today and my 3060 card works better with this Tipp.
will this make a differance in VR?
I don't see why not. I'm not a VR guy so I can't try it out for you, but if DX12 works with VR (and I am sure it does), then this should work as well. The way to test it is, if you get good performance with DX12 DLSS-Quality and you think you have performance headroom, this would be worth doing.
It does.
Thanks for the info.
is this for SU15 beta only?
Hey Andrew! Nope, this works in SU14 as well. Hope you’re doing well!
@@IslandSimPilot gotcha, im great hope youre well too!
I don't understand the interest ??? You set Quality to get Ultra quality... waow ! All that stuff for so few ? Isn't it simpler to set Ultra quality to get... ultra quality ??
There is no Ultra Quality setting in MSFS.
Ha , OK then ! Thx. Anyway it is interesting to know how DLSS works !
One question... in MSFS I use TAA for antialiasing and Nvidia DLSS frame generation because text on PFD and ND is blurry with DLSS antialiasing. Do you think this tweak could solve that ?@@IslandSimPilot
@@lionhellll It's probably not going to, no. If you check DLSS-DLAA and the screens are still blurry then you won't get any improvement with this.
It is not the whole screens, only the text displayed on EFIS ! @@IslandSimPilot