how to add a THROTTLE onto a PEDAL ASSIST bike
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After playing with the three main wires from the hub motor, I got it working! Thanks for the hint I needed!
i need help:(
i give up
Is there any way to show how you connected each wire like a picture I watched, paused and rewound 20 times
Thank God, you are using just exactly my bike and that’s why I was looking for this video like this is crazy thank God😂
Me too! Walmart special :D
Wow your are the man , i am from tijuana mexico. You just make my life easier, thank you for real.
Very good video but one thing I would caution you and others to do is twist or crimp the phase wires together because on long steep hills, the high currents carried by phase wires can melt solder. This might act as a built in fuse, saving the motor, but most times it is a bad idea.
This is especially important when upgrading to a more powerful high amp model (yeah!).
Your a Ebike God !
Thanks
Great job 👏 👍 👌 🙌 and good mod!!!!
Yanky u r amazing keep it up
Thanks
Any step by step pictures for which one you solder and which one you plug in? Thanks
Thanks!
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I fitted this exactly as you said but I had 2 connections left over spare with nowhere to go
Wow! I gotta try this I have that same bike
pedal assist is so dumb because you can't control the motor finely
That's why it's called pedal "assist"
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Excellent presentation
Thanks
hyper mid drive fs 29 inch mtb. any idea if there is a way to remove the 20mph speed restriction (unplug some white wire) maybe? thx could throttle work with torque sensor mid drive motor?
Did you figure it out?
Surprised you managed to find a ESC that fit the frame housing where the stock was. Mine surprisingly was bit larger. Weirdly my STOCK ESC was also half the size then yours at 0.55. I mean like Really tiny. They must've made a bigger ESC inside to stop it from jiggling inside the frame as some have mentioned they heard noises like clanking going about. Since the older ESC being tiny were just doublesided taped in place.
Either way nice video.
DUDE THANK YOU
You're welcome
i recently seen arduino converter from pedal assist to Throttle arduino generate pulses for the sensors s1 and s1
Hi I own a FLX babymaker can you instal the throtle on it please.
This is awesome! I just got an electric bike that’s worth around 6K but I got it for an insane deal but the only problem is it does not have a throttle I’m going to see if I can do this with it! Thank you so much
Did you do it?
@@EdwardKenway130 nope but I plan to attach the throttle soon and I bought the pieces etc
@@Cleo.the.maltese Cool man, if I can be honest with you I wanted more from Electric Bikes, so I put my E-bike on Sale and i'm planning to buy a PRO-SS (2024). Hopefully, this is gonna be fun
Hi i got error e-007 what's the solution?
When using the pedal assist is it only one level? Like the bike stock it had pas level low medium and high does it now only have one level? If so which one
I'm pretty sure it has three levels of pedal assist
Connected all the wires properly whenever i press the throttle a bike start to move sound pops up from the battery/motor and after that back tire stops moving. Please help.
Thank you so much, man. I have a similar bike as well 😂
You're welcome
I have a hyper I just bought (black cruiser) because their dirt cheap (it was actually my first e-bike I bought a few years ago when they first dropped to $799 but I returned it within 90 days)
Then I bought a mountain bike one with a thumb throttle with a 500w motor that I'm still using, so I just bought this new one specifically for this mod.
So this may sound like a dumb question but if the new display has the thumb throttle attached did you really need a new controller? Or did both sets of wires go into that new display? Because the 810 has that 6km pace button (which is kind of like a throttle that only goes 6km)
I'm not sure, but it definitely sounds like an interesting thing to try out.
Hi I have a G-HYBRID peddle assist bike ,i bought the throttle ,you showed un this clip as I liked the throttle, but couldn't or rather can't find the controller , as its not in the same place as the bike in your video.. I think its in the housing you bolt to the bottle holder holes on the bike. Is there anyway the throttle conversion can be done? To my g.hybrid bike
If it has a 3 phase brushless motor, then yes (almost all e-bikes have 3 phase brushless motors)
It has a 3 speed electric ride mode 350W brushless motor, I took the housing which you slide the battery off and un screwed the covering were the wires are going in at the bottom of the bracket that is bolted to the bottle holder holes and all the wiring is in there covered in wax, so no idea, think il have to take it to my local halfords..see if they can do it..
I have a carrera vengence ebike and this controller and throttle, everything is connected colour to colour except i have a white hall sensor wire spare with no where to go. When i wire everything up and try to use the throttle it seems the battery is making a noise maybe the motor and its no spinning the wheel? Theres settings in the throttle screen p1-p20 can you tell me exactly what all your settings are. Theres also no errors on the screen so im stumped.
I would recommend to try different wire configurations for the 3 power wires connecting from the motor controller to the motor. after trying a few different connections the motor should be working. also, the white wire coming from the motor might be a temperature senser wire which is not supported by this controller.
Did it work? I was looking at getting a carrera vengence ebike
Can you replace the soldering with twisting them together then putting on a heat shrink wire connectors, if not what do you suggest I do?
I've used the "soldering and heat shrink tubing" technique when I built a 5000watt e-bike, and I've driven that bike for over 500 miles without any problem. my opinion is: if you want to be able to quickly and easily remove the motor controller in the future, then I recommend using connectors. but if you just want to go the the easy route, then I recommend twisting together the wires, soldering them, and then insert some heat shrink tubing.
@@ElectronicLab. There is extra connections from the controller that don't match the bikes wiring. What do I do? I bought the same kit in the video and have the same hyper ebike
@pierrerivera-vidal6167 This motor controller comes with a few extra features. like a brake input and a light output. As long as you connect the motor wires, battery, throttle, and display, everything should work.
Good job installing your throttle if you’re interested in more speed upgrade your controller
@frankroach9346 do u know which controller would b best for more speed? I have this exact bike and want to put the throttle but would like it to go more than 22mph if possible
@@misscin1naction996 th-cam.com/video/_Bh6IKfam08/w-d-xo.html here is your answer
@@misscin1naction996have u done it? Im looking for the same
Incorrect. The rear stock hub motor is internally limited unless you are stupid enough to put 350-500watts into a 36volt 250watt hub motor. So there is no way to make it go faster from a 250watt 36volt ESC period. But that'll just likely burn and explode the motor. So no there is no way to do this unless you also upgrade the hub motor. Plus the internal battery is very small and you aren't gonna get much power off it. I barely get 5miles on my front 500watt kit. Though it might also be pretty power demanding on throttle. But even so. You're gonna decease range performance by far.
Hi my ebike controller got jst sm 2 pin male unused cable, the voltage comes out of it 6.81v. Is this for throttle?
A throttle cable has 3 pins, one for 5 volts, one for GND/negative, and one for signal.
Fantastic.. i have this exact bike just bought last week without an idea that this is only a pedal assist without motor.. Im planning to return but its too heavy .
Glad it helped
I just bought this bike used I really wanna transfer it to be the same as what you did but I have no experience is a bike shop would be able to do it for me ? And if yes what do you think the cost gonna be around
if u buy they staff only , the cost is gna be around £60 to 70 if they order for you may b £120 t 150
Nice video! Will the pedal assist still work after doing it?
yes
Has anyone tried this on the Hyper Mid-Drive Mountain? If so what has been your experience with the process and the results?
Mid drive has the ESC built into the motor location. They don't have a stand alone ESC as hub drive systems do.
Please what is the mode button used for?
Also, is it possible to control the speed on the LCD screen of the new motor controller ?
The mode button allows you to choose between 3 speed settings, and on the display, you are able to play around with a lot of settings, which I tried out in this video: th-cam.com/video/_Bh6IKfam08/w-d-xo.htmlsi=syjbgBKD9_uuHbmC
@@ElectronicLab. Alright, thank you so much man 🙏
Hello I bought and installed same controller and throttle as you. In hall sensor wires my bike has an extra brown do you know what this connects to. Also battery is fully charged but display shows low battery with e6 code. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also motor tries to turn when throttle is engaged but doesnt.
Any luck yet with the brown wire
good boy
Hello m8 do you know if this mod will work for the carerra vengeance? or any help from anyone else in the comments would be much appreciated. Im ready to mod my carerra but didn't want to buy anything yet as im not 100 percent sure it will work
To find out if you can do the same modification, you have to get to the controller from your e-bike to see if it has 3 thick phase wires (yellow, green and blue) and 5 hall sensor wires (red, black, yellow, green and blue)
Did it work?
I have everything hooked up the exact same expect for the brown and white wire that come from the motor. Please help me!!! If tired to plug them into every possible option. Can you please do a step my step or atleast tell me what I’m doing wrong. EVERYTHING works except for the wheel spinning. The motor is receiving power but it’s not executing the spin and movement
do you hear any noise while using the throttle?
I’m trying to do this but I can’t open the cover that holds the motor controller, how do you do it?
Search in youtube the company and model of the e-bike and check "how to get to the motor controller"
What wires do I connect to make the throttle come on?
Don't cut the wires like in this video. You can normally know what wires on your new ESC controller that should be White,Red,Black. That'll be throttle. 3pin SM wire.
I have a question does anyone have a Huffy Everett 27.5 Inch Class 1 eBike, 20MPH, 7-Speed, 350W Motor, I was wondering if I could just hook up a throttle to it
Most pedal assist e-bike speed controllers don't come with throttle input wires, but to find out if you're e-bike speed controller does have a throttle input, you're going to have to have a look at you're e-bikes speed controller to see if it has an extra pair of 3 wires (usually red, black and yellow). to find out how to get to the speed controller from you're e-bike, you're going to have to search in youtube "how to replace a Huffy Everett 27.5 Inch Class 1 eBike, 20MPH, 7-Speed, 350W Motor speed/motor controller"
I wish you made a step by step guide on how to do it
Is there a way to remove the speed limiter on this bike? I'm sure it can go a bit faster than 20 mph
@amazingamx1255 The motor controller I've installed onto this e-bike gives all the power from the battery to the motor. but in this video, I've actually increased the speed from this particular e-bike without replacing the battery for a higher voltage one: th-cam.com/video/_Bh6IKfam08/w-d-xo.html
Hey man can you please help me with this, the controller has a plug that says LCD display, which is red yellow green blue black and then attached to that is an extra black and white. I can plug in the five pin which is fine but I have no idea where the black and white extra wires go. The throttle cable on the controller is three wires not two.. could you explain that to me please, thanks! ❤
@mattias77 The two extra wires coming from the display are for a light output(optional), which will give you the same voltage from the battery after pressing down the mode button for a few seconds.
@@ElectronicLab.Ok awesome. There is still three wire connector on that controller that is labeled throttle. Do we not use that at all seems like the wire coming from the controller already has a spot that lines up color to color. (Labeled LCD)
Also thanks for the response ☺️
A diagram would be amazing for everyone man
thankyou i have that same bike
glad to help
did you get it to work
Please help… I got a e-6 error and low battery flashing .. can’t get the motor to turn at all
What voltage is your battery?
36volt.. I have the same bike as yours and purchased the same motor controller
Same issue
Same issue same bike too... yall find a fix?
Anyone figure this out?
Yeah great video. I’d like to add a throttle to a Yamaha PAS ebike. I’m in Japan and want a throttle. The Yamaha PAS has a 250w motor. Is the controller the same as in the description? 😅
Yes
Thank you so much first positive news all day I haven’t opened the cover yet but I’m hoping to find all the right stuff. You’re a star!
You're welcome
Where did you get the display cable ?
I linked it in the description. It is included with a motor controller kit
Any idea why the display turns on but goes crazy and won’t activate the motor?
tell me, what error are you getting? or is it just going crazy?
Can u make detailed video please
How is the throttle response ?
Faster than most cheap e-bikes
Looking for help. I have an old pas SAMEBIKE and it's a folding type. When unfolded I can see the battery on one side and the plug in connector on the opposite side. I have no idea where the controller is??? Can you please help me?
@@edwardlove4300 I assume if the battery is on one side and thick connector going to the other side, the motor controller should be on the side we're the battery is not.
That's right. The company told me there controller is not compatible as it doesn't have a throttle wire connection. The person told me it's not a PAS but a PES system. I just want a throttle can you please advise me as what to shop for? 😵
@edwardlove4300 If your ebike has a brushless motor (3 thick wires and at least 5 thin wires coming from the motor), then it is most likely compatible with this motor controller I changed out with: amzn.to/46CmSMi
Hi great video! I was just wondering when the throttle is connected and working, does the pedal assist still work with the throttle or is it only the throttle that works on the bike? I know at the end you shows the pedal assist but I still want to confirm, thanks! 🙌🤙🏻💪🏻
@_ItsGh0st_ I'm pretty sure I was able to use both the pedal assist and throttle at the same time, but there's a setting that has to be changed on the display that will allow you to use both at the same time. I show how to change settings at the beginning of this video: th-cam.com/video/_Bh6IKfam08/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tk5mpqpmcc2bZ0DB
@@ElectronicLab. Cheers brother for helping me out, what video do I watch to change the LCD screen?🙌🙏
@_ItsGh0st_ In the beginning of this video I show how to excess the settings from the display: th-cam.com/video/_Bh6IKfam08/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tk5mpqpmcc2bZ0DB Once you excess the display settings, go to "P10," and select settings number 2, which should allow you to use both the throttle and the pedal assist at the same time
@@ElectronicLab. alright thank you so much for all the help, you are a real one 👆🙌
You're welcome
Do you have a Wiring diagram? Just ordered.
most wires are color to color, plus the link from Amazon that's in the description has some pictures
@@ElectronicLab. How do you turn on the pedal assist? Can't get it to work, otherwise installed the throttle!
It is a setting on the display. The motor controller should come with programming instructions
Will this work for the hyper jet fuel e bmx ?
If it has a brushless motor, then it should work. Brushless motors have 3 thick wires coming from the motor, and most of the time, 5 thin wires as well, which is for sensing the motors position.
Also a note to others. If you ADD a throttle by VIA changing the ESC. You WILL lose about 7miles of range dropping you to 13miles of full range (VIA Throttle only driving.) Also at half range of power (6 1/2miles) Your speed will reduce to 15mph. Then after few miles more your speed will slowly dip as the battery runs out. And that's running till your almost to a jog to a very fast walk pace. Not sure why it does this for a Lithium battery compared to a Lead Acid. But it does for some reason.
So if you wish to keep full 20miles of range without most of the performance lost. Don't upgrade to throttle. Just do the air pedal effect. You don't need to pedal hard or fast when you're on high or medium. The PAS just needs a few spins to keep it going. It'll also work WITHOUT the chain since the PAS sensor is connected on the pedals on the drive side or for easier info the chain ring.
I bought the same motor controller but there’s a white and brown cable from the motor and I don’t know where to connect it
That might be a speed sensor, but try running it without using these two wires and see if it works. (It worked for me)
@@ElectronicLab. the motor spins the only thing is that i can’t control it when ever i turn it on the motor just starts spinning and the throttle doesn’t work
@@victorious2067 are the two white wires from the controller connected?
@@ElectronicLab. i don’t see any two white wires from the controller but on my lcd screen it say error 07 and when i turn the bike on it makes a weird loud buzzing sound
@@victorious2067 "error 07" means the motor wire is not connected correctly. can you explain how you connected the motor wire?(a 5 or 6 wire cable)
Make a wiring diagram please? I have the same bike and want a throttle.
most wires are color to color, plus the link from Amazon that's in the description has some pictures
Will I need a diagram for the bike?
My bike assist is limited to 25km/h, does using throttle makes it go faster? Or itll still be limited to 25km/h?
Usually, if there are any speed restrictions, it won't matter if you use pedal assist or throttle. The easiest solution would be to check online "how to program an e-bike display." You might be able to raise the speed
@@ElectronicLab. my bike doesnt have a display, its from 2017, nakamura ecliff 700, couldnt even find the white cable that they say its speed sensor 😅
@jericho.aflo0 I guess the next option would be to replace the speed controller with the one that I've used in the video (it's linked in the description). This speed controller is fully unlocked in speed, and it also comes with a throttle.
@@ElectronicLab. yes i will do that , thank you!! I also have a ninebot external battery has same voltage as my ebike 36v
Do u have any video on how to use it for extra range?
Not yet
Do you happen to have a video of the settings for the throttle lcd that you have input ?
Here is a video where I show how to change the settings from the display: th-cam.com/video/_Bh6IKfam08/w-d-xo.html
So u didn't have to pit in how many magnets the motor has on the lcd got the motor moving after changing phase wires around but dies when hit throttle and the battery lights flash any ideas no error codes either
@stephendollan6669 does the motor spin smoothly? or is it jittery when spinning? If it is jittery when spinning, it might be triggering the overcurrent protection from the battery. so you might want to try changing around the three motor phase wires configuration until it spins smoothly. Ps the setting where you put in how many magnets are in the motor, only has to do with the speedometers accuracy and not with the motors behavior.
No I have changed the phase wires no I have the back wheel moving but the display cuts off and my battery flashes blue could post video if you could help me out ano I'm close possible battery not allowed throttle a dunno now thanks
@@stephendollan6669 good idea. Post a video on your channel so I can better understand what is happening
I’m so lost how do I do it
Buy a different controller and a throttle that plugs into it
if you don't want to cut and solder a bunch of wires, you can also buy 9-pin conversion cable for the motor.
Good idea 👍
Hey man @FredFredFred13 can you elaborate more on that part please, I don't want solder a bunch of cables honestly.
If the battery is in the back ON the bike could be that the wires are unreachable😢😮?
So far, from my experience of opening over 10 e-bikes, there was always some way to get to it by removing screws, but if you want to find out how to get to you’re e-bikes battery, then search on youtube: "how to remove/replace the battery from a (you’re e-bikes name and model) e-bike"
I have a serious problem with my throttle after connecting it exactly the way you showed us in the video the throttle control comes on but the throttle is not working and the is a red warning ⚠️ sign on the screen 😤😤😤please make another video were you show us exactly each cable and function of these cables 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽😭😭
Explain what error you're getting
@@ElectronicLab. the throttle screen is showing a warning sign, look please can you do another video where you show us how to connect the cables one after the other cause i feel like i badly connected those cables
I still have 2 hall sensors wires?
@@rzhavyy90 from the motor?
@ElectronicLab. Yeh a small gage brown and white wire I have I video on my channel that shows the problem
@@rzhavyy90 For the e-005, try checking if the the display is programed for 36volts. I have some Information about how to check/change that in the beginning of this video: th-cam.com/video/_Bh6IKfam08/w-d-xo.html
@@rzhavyy90 To fix the e-001 error, check out this video, which has a solution, and also shows what the error codes mean
@@rzhavyy90 Most E-bike motors come with 5 thin wires. black for negative, red for 5volts, and than green, blue and yellow for sensing the motors position. some e-bikes come with an extra white and/or brown wire usually for speed signaling (not always needed), and/or temperature sensing (not always needed)
Hi I have same everything and won't work
if you tell me more details, I might be able to help you
I'm not sure where the brown wire goes. Tire spins right direction self learning but does not spin at all disconnect self learning. Comes up e7. Been putting alot time trying to figure out. Any help be appreciated thanx
@coryroberson3053you don't need brown wire and get wheel going change phase wires
If tire not spinning or spinning backwards you have to connect the three motor and controller phase wires in different sequence
Green to blue. Yellow to yellow. Blue to green etc about 36 combination and you will find one combination will work
Dont work i get a e6 code
try to change the nominal voltage from e-bikes display which I show how to do in this video at about the 2 minute mark: th-cam.com/video/_Bh6IKfam08/w-d-xo.html
if it's already set to the same voltage from you're battery and it still doesn't work, than set it to the lowest possible voltage setting which I think is 24volts. nothing should get damage, the controller will now think that you're running a 24volt battery and nothing else. I do have to mention though, that the displays battery indicator will not be accurate after doing this, but it will give you an accurate voltage measurement by pressing the power button until it gives you the voltage
I have this same exact bike and I followed the INCOMPLETE tutorial and now I am stuck. I bought the same controller box you did. There is a Hall Sensor block and you completely gloss over the SEVEN wires to hook up here. All you did at 2:10 was point at the 7 wires. Meanwhile the Hall Sensor block is a 5 pin plug. This means I have 2 extra wires from the 10 wire coax cable that are unknowns. I do realize the title of you video is how to add a THROTTLE and not how to add a controller, but you showed us this is done by adding the controller. Meanwhile I could have saved money on the build had I found this other video where they show wiring a thumb throttle to a bike without a display. I can no longer do this since I already cut all cables off the old controller and unless you have an ANSWER... I am screwed.
most e-bikes come with a hall sensor cable, which has 5 main wires(telling the speed controller in what position it is in) and sometimes one or two more wires, which are usually a temperature sensor and/or a speed sensor.
now the most Important wires are the 5 main wires(usually red, black, green, yellow and blue).
by hooking up these 5 wires(most of them color to color), assuming you've already connected the red and black power wires, the display and the throttle, the motor should start spinning as soon as you twist the throttle.
if it instead starts vibrating or making a noise as if it is spinning, you might have to play around with the 3 motor phase wires until you get it spinning. PS, if you do get it spinning but it spins in the wrong direction, you can temporarily (3 to 5 seconds) connect the two green wires which will change the direction.
@@ElectronicLab. Thanks, I will give this a try in the kitchen tonight. What I find makes a controller swap most difficult is the lack of standardization of the ebike equipment. I admit, I am an old timer who has been spoiled by USB, plug and play, and ISO in my workings with PCs. I take it your Hyper E Mountain Bike didn't have an extra gray and brown wire in there. I will let you know how this works out.
NEXT DAY
Last night I got all the Hall Sensors attached left out gray and brown. Ran a jumper on the throttle ( data and +5 v dc) and it went to high speed. Now I am just working on cramming all this back inside the bike. BTW The bike is less than 1 year old and over the winter I used it rain or shine. Their LED display mounted on the handle bar is NOT waterproof and shorted out. I like this throttle but still have the PAS as a backup. Using the throttle means I will be recharging more often but worth it. Thanks for the speedy response.
Please could you give me some input
The next one down has more info on my issue. Thanx
@@JRHill-jo5zcheyy Jr did you ever find out where it goes? I'm having the same problem! Please let me know
You have a hyper bike 26 inch.
You get the controller the guy suggested
@@mikej6919you have a hyper bike 26 inch and did you get the controller from the video
so you can have throttle and pedal.
Yes
cool thanks so much @@ElectronicLab.
you not ad throtle broo you cheange de controler , .. ha ha ha ...
Well don't do that in most European countries.. it is illegal
It’s illegal in the states sometimes too but who cares
Ew don't let your government tell you what to do.
You could have at least added what parts you bought in the description
Did I not?
Connected all the wires properly whenever i press the throttle a bike start to move sound pops up from the motor and after that bicycle stops moving. Please help.
Got the same problems I see some white wire connecte to a yellow wire...2 black wire on one black.....need a diagram
I fitted this exactly as you said but I had 2 connections left over spare with nowhere to go
Please help me
are these 2 connections from the controller or from the e-bike?
Hi so finally got the display to turn on but now it has an error code and low battery on display? And also I pull the throttle and I can hear the motor running but rear wheel isn’t spinning can u help ?
To fix the motor issue, you have to reconfigure the 3 phase wires coming from the motor until it works(my own experience), and to fix the low voltage error, you might have to re-program the display. There should be instructions in the piece of paper the controller came with. It should give you 24v, 36v, 52v, and 60v voltage options(check your battery what voltage it runs at)
@@ElectronicLab.heyy is it possible if you can do a wire-to-wire that way we know what goes to what