SECRET INVASION vs WINTER SOLDIER - Why One Worked and the Other Didn't
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Written Brianna McLarty @briannatmclarty on Instagram and Tiktok!
Hosted by Colton Ogburn ( / coltonogburn )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright
Randolf Nombrado
Brianna McLarty
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Secret Invasion should have had us on our toes and paranoid at all times. Left no twists to be had.
Just killed off Maria Hill in the first ep for nothing
Secret Invasion should have ended in a Avengers movie. All those shows on Disney+ and the movies could have set it all up.
Great except for the freaking finale! WTF!
Secret Invasion vs Winter Soldier? Never in my wildest dream would I compare these two together! But incredible video though, so many insights on why Secret Invasion failed.
Like night and day 😂
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Damn right! It’s like Gold vs. Sh*t.
I came here to say the same thing
To this day, Winter Solider remains my favorite MCU film
Agreed
The Winter Soldier crossover with Agents of SHIELD truly was the peak of the MCU. I wish they could figure out how to recreate that. Excellent comparison
Everything when the Netflix shows started up to civil war was very ambitious agents of shield with ghost rider went up until infinity war and then they focused on wrapping up the movies with endgame
Should be SECRET INVASION vs ANY SEASON OF AGENTS OF SHIELD. They literally did the Secret Invasion storyline every year for the first four seasons. Who is secretly Hydra? Who is secretly with the "Real SHIELD"? Who is secretly mind-controlled by Hive? Who is secretly an LMD? Every time it was better than Secret Invasion.
No, that show can't be comparated, also there's a better ABC show that Agents of SHIELD: Once Upon a Time
@@ramdelureThat's an idiotic statement but ok
@@nathanieldiaz5254 Isn't
@@ramdelure Saying that a mediocre show like Once Upon a Time is better than Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D is stupid
I would be upset about Secret Invasion too if I hadn't already forgotten about it.
The Winter Soldier worked because it focused on an institution being corrupt from within .
Secret Invasion wanted to go broader than that but unlike the comics didn’t really make any twists
Winter Soldier: "Don't trust unaccountable agencies because they're easily corrupted and invaded by Nazis who torture and murder people."
Secret Invasion: "Thank God for all the unaccountable agencies who torture and murder people or immigrant invaders would wipe us out!"
That's the main difference. 🤭
Props to that shy nerd for saying no to Rumlow. Bro had insane courage right there
“There’s one scene that explains it all” as I have flashbacks to Ryan repeating the “give me your gun, goddammit!” scene
One of, if not THE BEST MCU solo outing, CA: TWS is one of those movies that establishes the main character and his principles post a major apocalyptic event of the Avengers so damn well, it's praiseworthy.
If Brianna is writing stuff of this caliber it would be ace to see her present it directly. Great analysis.
Also, Colton frequently writes for Ryan. Now Brianna is writing for Colton. Perhaps Ryan is writing for Brianna? Cue the Spider-Man meme! 😉
Ryan is boss Ryan probably doesn’t do much
Winter Soldier was my favourite Marvel movie till Infinity War became a thing. I even wrote an "essay" about it.
It's still my favorite honestly, with Endgame being number two. Infinity War is third, but it's really close with it and Civil War. Not that you asked. :)
@@mattmccomas1yeah I agree. I feel infinity war is overhyped. Story Wise I think the winter soldier was better.
Winter Soldier has always been my favorite of all the marvel movies. Yall releasing this video today is a trip because i just rewatched it last night!
Rewatched this weekend! Movie is a decade old and still as fresh as when it was released.
Rarely has a fictional relationship had more influence on me than the one between Steve and Bucky. it's been 10 years and I still feel it in my soul ngl
God winter soldier is my #1 marvel movie, the emotions and feelings it gives you are something that the new mcu is lacking, definitely a 9.8/10 a truly beautiful film
Secret Invasion is the only part of the MCU that I don't count. I absolutely would be on board if future MCU stuff in movies or TV just completely ignored or contradicted it.
Man, I have way more than that, that I don't count post End-game..
The sadness of Steve and Bucky is that they were both looking out for each other the whole time, but neither got to save their friend.
Bucky finally got his mind back, and his best friend already moved on. Just like Steve moved on from Bucky when he realized that everyone he knew is dead. Culminates at the scene with Peggy.
Both of these heroes wanted to save their best friend, and they did, but they never got to see it.
Such a good movie
Emotional payoff. Dialogue. Production value. Story continuity. The fact that Secret Invasion so clearly phoned it in. There was A LOT more than one thing that’s the reason one worked and the other didn’t
They truly thought bringing in a new character that gets pretty much everyone's powers then disappears forever was a good idea.
How Secret Invasion could be made better.
1. Set it after the Marvels. The influx of Skrull refugees to earth would cause tensions to rise as Nick and Co struggle to keep on top of things.
2. The Skrulls aren’t the ones carrying out the secret invasion, the Kree are. After the events of Captain Marvel they knew they could simple invade Earth when it had such a powerful champion so plan to do it covertly. With the blip being when they made their move. They use Shield technology to change their appearance, which they in tern use to frame the Skrulls. Ideally this is not revealed until the end.
3 Rhodey is a Skrull, but Fury knows so it’s a red herring, and it’s not sure if Rhodey is a Kree impersonator, a Skrull or the real Rhodey.
The Kree are Space-Nazis, so I'm surprised they didn't swap Hydra for the Kree.
Here's how to fix secret invasion in my opinion
1 make it an avengers movie
2 don't make Rhodes or any hero a skrull jsut make them eat captured and replaced by the skrulls
3 make it emotional becuase u can't trust anyone
I think Winter Soldier is a great movie but I think it impacted, me at least, so much because, like you mentioned, AOS was airing at the time and it was following the along side the movies brilliantly, the big change the movie made effected the TV show there and then and changed everything and it was magical!
Side note, the "Piss Off Ghost!" scene from Korg is the single greatest moment in the MCU and it cracks me up every single time wiythout fail lmao!!
"Glad it was over" was my takeaway from Secret Invasion as well.
The stand off with Rhodey and the president was ridiculous
Markus, McFeely and The Russo Brothers were never messing around with the Marvel content they've made
Winter's Solider is one of my favorite Marvel movies.
So simular but sooo deferent .
This is a great video. Also, Agents of SHIELD is a criminally underrated show. The crossover with Winter Soldier is one of the best tie ins I've ever seen. It has the same madness and scramble where you don't know who to trust, but it's even deeper and scarier because everyone in the show is a SHIELD agent. Anyone could've been Hydra. I still recommend people watch AoS if they haven't. And I'm still hoping they bring Inhumans and Quake into the MCU.
I always felt that last scene of chaos is how Secret Invasion should have started...all that need explaining was a war mongering or terror group of Skrulls are on the war path...boom 6 episodes of high octane who to trust intrigue.
Amazing job, Colton. Thanks for all you do!
The worst vs the best
Bob Igur... He knew Marvel had cultivated their audience and thought that we would LOVE so much content during and post-pandemic. He overestimated his strategy that more was better when we were fine with the 2-3 projects a year that had great substance vs a lot of content with shit writing. That's why he's out and Kevin was given control back in the way he was in the beginning
One’s boring and one’s not
One is an actual movie(2hrs)...the other 6-7 hours of meandering nonsense...odd comparison...
One is male driven..the other is...not..
Winter Soldier is still the peak for me in storytelling inside the Marvel universe. It may not have Infinity War or End Game stakes, but man there is not a wasted moment in the entire film. It is consistently the one I go back to and re-watch. I just rewatched it this weekend so I think algorithm is following me. It has Robert freaking Redford doing everything he can to bring even more gravitas to this film. It is a fantastic standalone film and is even more awesome if you know the Marvel universe around it.
The difference is competency in writing and execution.
Absolutely love the breakdown and detail! Genius
These are my favorite types of videos y'all do.
One was written well and stayed on schedule. The other one they just needed to get out.
Another good one, Brianna!
Also the Agent of Shields series sparked a fire as well....
Scene fights are peak Screencrush. Please keep doing them
Ironically people keep on pointing out that Secret Invasion was filmed during the 'thing that partially closed the world', but Disney fully controlled the release date. They could have pushed it back and redone some of it, or in most cases reshoot the majority of it. Winter Soldier had the right focus, tight central group while the 'world falls apart'. Secret Invasion kept expanding the central group while the 'world falls apart'. In the end you have too many characters to feel fully emotionally invested in, climaxing with two underdeveloped characters with the same powers fighting each other.
Nice to be seeing more Colton. Love Doug and Ryan, but it's good to see Colton get more exposure.
Secret Wars was all over the place. To be fair, Marvel thought they could put out a mediocre mess and make millions. This was the start of the fatigue for many
Apart from like Loki, Wanda-Vision, MoM, NWH, all of phase 4 should have been strictly dedicated to deepening the after-effects of the blip and the whole saga of who is a skrull/who can we trust, all of it caped off by a team-up movie like Civil War (if not an avengers movie) at the end of phase 4. That would have set up a perfect base for the all the niche and broader stories at surface level while some of the familiar characters and more newer characters were worked into multiversal and cosmic stories. Not to mention would have given some new and some familiar characters crossing paths with each other, something phase 4 sorely lacked.
Boldly pitting the MCU's best project against its worst. 😂
Masterfully done. I was bored by secret invasion by characters that really shouldn’t have been boring. Wasting essentially super skrull on this was a bad decision.
I just don't know if anything will ever reach this level of excellence anymore in the MCU. The whole Captain America trilogy, in my opinion, is incredible. I also feel like the interconnectedness of Marvel was unparalleled at that time.
3:23 I think you meant *limited* since copious would imply we got a LOT of flashbacks, which we certainly did not.
The worst things about Secret Invasion.. 1: The Harvest.. 2: G'iah as a Super Skull.. 3: Rhodey and the "BS" retcon.. 4: Killing Maria Hill
5: Killing Talos.. 6: Not making Secret Invasion a movie.
Right? The HARVEST. Ugh. Fury is snapped back to a street in NYC and, like everyone else, is trying to figure out wtf just happened. But he's totally ON IT to immediately send skrulls to Avengers compound where Stark, his friend, just died...to collect DNA? I call serious bullshit.
And poor Maria Hill deserved SO much better than that. Was hoping to see her as the next Fury. Or the Vice President. Not dead 5 freaking minutes after we get to see the REAL her again (rather than the skrull version we last saw in Spiderman FFH). Sigh.
What are Markus and McFeely doing these days? Please, please come back!
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7. nick fury looks and act like a bum
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A whole secret invasion saga would’ve been so much better having them go through several movies trying to find out which ones are their friends and which ones are the skrulls. And then we continue into the next saga, with some recovered heroes, and some still hiding as skrulls.
This is good analysis. I love how this one was Marvel vs. Marvel instead of Marvel vs. DC.
You’re good at this. At the same time, I want to know that Ryan is okay. Is he just taking a vacation or focusing on other projects?
I stand corrected, stay in that TV lol. Great video brother 👍
Captain America The Winter soldier was the best Marvel movie to date. If Brave New World Is anywhere close to as good as the winter soldier was / still is then we are in for a real thrilling ride
Ryan "this video written by Colton"
Colton "this video written by Brianna"
Brianna (probably) "this video written Matt Singer"
😂
Captain America The Winter Soldier also didn't have to completely rewrite its storyline due to a real-world conflict like Secret Invasion had to
I love Agents of SHIELD so I hope those characters get done justice in the MCU (or somewhere else?!?!?).
Winter Soldier came out in 2014 (10th Anniversary)!
So simular but sooo deferent 😂
Secret Invasion: they had a chance to be epic and blew it. So, Rhodney and others were clean shaven/clean clothes/no bathroom breaks being captured all thst time?
The reason Secret Invasion didn't work... in the immortal words of Coulson " You Lack Conviction "
YAY COLTON
Secret Invasion should’ve been it’s own phase, only lasting for like 2 years after the Infinity Saga. Then jump into the multiverse saga
Any suspension of disbelief was lost within 10 minutes of the first episode.
the secret invasion didn't work because of SpongeBob's arms
Winter soldier worked bc there was a story the director wanted to tell vs secret invasion was just an event the studio wanted to make into content
People get hung up on Gaia. A wave of the hand like "the skrull serum was unstable" and poof, no more Super Skrull.
Yeah. It was really dumb but easy enough to write themselves out of that corner. Your solution, a time limit before needing to recharge, the added powers fade over time, etc etc. Itll be an obvious retcon but I would buy it, better that than trying to keep a way OP Gaia around.
Nice video
In defense of Secret Invasion, filming was done during the pandemic, which undoubtedly hindered it.
But there is definitely more problems with power creep now that G’iah has so much power. It was starting to be an issue as early as Doctor Strange and Age of Ultron. But lately, with Shang-Chi, Captain Marvel, the Celestials, G’iah, and some characters from What If, there’s more and more of this sort of superhero arms race. This isn’t to bash on those characters, no, but I do worry that the power creep is gonna cheapen some past and future Marvel productions.
Well said.
i am going back to watch Winter Soldier again.
Winter Soldier vs. Secret Invasion is like Chuck Norris vs. a toddler. It should’ve been the next Avengers where Gravik (not G’iah) succeeded in getting everyone’s powers and everyone came together to battle. He kills Fury after a legit heart felt scene, then Captain Marvel to show how strong he is, and Hulk and Thor are the only ones strong enough to defeat him. Or Ant Man can fly up his nose and go back to normal size (solution for every big bad).
I wish Secret Invasion should’ve been a saga 💯
Not to beat a dead horse but secret invasion STUNK!
Colton has me thinking is time to rewatch WS
The villian went on to play Bob Marley. So lets get together and feel alright about Secret Invasion.
Easy: The Winter Soldier was well thought out, well executed, had characters that we cared about and stakes that were high. None of that was true of Secret Invasion. Didn’t need a video for that, but thanks.
I say they should have used Punisher. Who else would you call when you need a non-super to take out rogue Skrulls.
The Winter Soldier was released in 2014 not 2013
100% agree, Winter Soldier still my Fav
For me the Bucky thing didn't hit me in Winter Soldier because I couldn't remember him from the First Avenger for some reason
I’m going to need it explained that Secret Invasion & The Eternals took place on parallel Earths in the multiverse to explain the lack of coherence and continuity. Then explain that the TVA pruned them before Loki pulled together the tree branches…
@4:53 We need a AGENTS OF S.W.O.R.D. Disney+ show, to pick up after Agents of SHIELD.
No heros to have been replaced by Skrulls.
by the end your left with the same questions and "huh, why" moments just like from Eternals
They killed Maria Hill.
I was so incredibly hyped for Secret Invasion. I love the spy stuff. I was hoping for something like what they did in Agents of Shield but even darker and more not being able to trust who is who. the first episode was so promising, but with each new one, it torn itself more and more down. Had it ben done right, Secret Invasion could have easily been my favorite thing from Marvel. Sadly, it ranks just over Inhumans.
Also, I hope Ryan is ok. Colton is doing a great job, nothing against him. I just assume something is up and hope that he and his family are doing well.
Secret Invasion should have been an entire phase
Secret Invasion was worse than bad: it was a huge letdown! The cast alone had me incredibly excited! Plus, even though we’ve had Sam Jackson’s Nick Fury since the first Iron Man film, this was the first time he’s been the main character of the story. That alone made me want to watch. As much as I hate using the Multiverse as a plot device to kill characters that we love, if Feige came out and said “Secret Invasion didn’t really happen. It took place in an alternate and far dumber reality.” I would be happy.
In secret invasion, the thing people get wrong about when t is that the emotional core is between Nick and his wife. Their relationship should’ve been focal It almost didn’t matter which skrull was a former agent or a current companion, his feelings towards his wife were the thing driving him to NOT go scorched earth after Talos dies.
My theory is that Disney spends most of the budget giving the roles to highly paid actors - leaves no room for story.
Tired of companies treating fans/consumers like we’re idiots 🙃
o wow another vid about Secret invasion.....
I hope the Christopher Marcus and Stephen Mcfeely comes back to write future mcu movies especially secret wars. The movies which they have written are the best in the mcu. They just have a way writing interesting characters that feel relatable and a compelling story that no other mcu writer can match.
I need the Russo brothers to come back and redo "secret-invasion". Just say the original was a dream-like premonition or another universe.
Colt there’s something I have to tell you! YOU’RE TRAPPED!!…
I love your shirt
Poor Secret Invasion had so many reshoots and lower budget. I enjoyed it but I didn't have the reservations about the show until later
Winter Solider was one of the best movies I'd seen in a long time. The action story, stakes and plot twists were amazing. I literally went from the movie theater to the gym to workout lol
Secret Invasion should have been an entire phase of the MCU not a short 6 episode series. It needs time to develop and build tension not just with the audience but also between the characters themselves. Just imagine an entire phase where both heroes and side-characters are replaced with Skrulls, but neither the audience or characters fully know it until the end of the last movie of the phase before the Avengers Team-up movie which plays out as a proper Secret Invasion story of heroes fighting each other not know who is real.
Ryan is secret invasion and Colton is the Winter soldier
Comparing these two stories is absolutely stupid but Colton did a good job here
*insert The Simpsons he's already dead gif*