They could have just went for the narrative that Rhodey was replaced during one of his checkup post-endgame, end of story. That way it doesn't take away any meaningful conversation/interaction he had before.
This was always the most likely thing to me. I don't understand why people assumed it was at Civil War when he's obviously had to go through years of physiotherapy and checkups after that point.
@@yuvi3000 I think people got so fixated on Everett Ross' question of "How long have you been here?" giving them the impression that Rhodey was there for a long time and also the fact that he was being carried/assisted by 2 soldiers.
*FIRST THING* I said when I saw him in Secret Invasion was “hey the pants aren’t glowing anymore and his limps gone, how has *NOBODY* called that out!”
The funny thing is, before Secret Invasion, everyone was having fun with the possibility of Rhodey being a Skrull since Civil War, or even the whole time. It wasn't so fun once it happened!
i just concern how secret invasion ending start riots everywhere, people killling people because they thought they re skrull almost make it ww3, but i'm sure it won't mentioned again just like tiamat corpse in eternals.
I think the easiest way for them to explain the Skrull swap and make it fit without further messing things up is, that it happened during a regular checkup. After an injury of that level, tech legs or not, there's gonna be regular checkups and pt for a long time, possibly for the rest of his life depending on how he heals and progresses.
Glad what happened? That a load-bearing scene potentially explaining a huge plot-hole not only was pushed to a digital release but was scrapped altogether? Sorry brother but that's called Hopeium
@@adriel.013No Fury is his usual self in The Marvels, the reason he was different in Secret Invasion should be obvious, there was a Skrull Invasion, and once he got that settled of course he’s going to be much happier and relieved again.
RHODEY WAS TAKEN AFTER THE ENDGAME FIGHT Gravik was STILL ON FURY'S SIDE DURING ENDGAME OR HE WOULDNT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE HARVEST so Gravik couldn't have taken Rhodey before he turned on Nick Fury which was AFTER ENDGAME
@@tobiaslawrence8928It’s not the studio problem people are dumb. They say Roady in a hospital gown and completely freaked out thinking it meant he was one the entire time 😂😂😂.
I'd love if Armor Wars focused on the need for high end medical tech. I'm in a wheelchair and have two spinal stim units implanted in me and lots of screws and anchors. It would bring the MCU into real life circumstances like it never has before.
He more than likely had regular doctor/PT appointments after those movies, and scheduling to grab him during one would’ve been easy for the Skrulls to figure out was what I thought
after watching Secret Invasion, i just guessed that Rhodey got swapped out after Endgame. Probably during a doctor's appointment after tony's funeral because he got banged up during the battle
It’s funny because this exact criticism of skrulls happened with the original comic. Except it was wide number of characters like hank pym and spidermwoman.
Yeah this entire idea is cool on paper but self-defeating in practice. Though secret invasion was just so terrible on every level it was shocking. Failed as a spy thriller. Failed at being exciting. Failed at leaving any impact. All it did was retcon Nick Fury into a fraud
Gravik was still working under fury during endgame, so I see no ready for him to kidnap Rhodey atp in time. Rhodey most definitely was kidnapped AFTER endgame
It makes sense that the Skrulls saw how high up on the chain of command Rhodey was after End Game, and had a shell company invite him to a special treatment for his injury, so Rhodey would have told people around him that he was going to this surgery to heal Then he goes to the place, they put him in a hospital gown, put him to sleep and they swap him for a skrull Now the Skrull can pretend he's fully healed It solves alot 😅
I’ve known since release it took place after Endgame! Look at his head wound when Avengers Compound is collapsing on him in Avengers: Endgame. His wound is bleeding red, not purple, hence a human. It had to be after that
This is great news. I was so off put by Secret Invasion's implication... well all of Secret Invasion actually. I really enjoy the hypothesis for the Armor Wars concept!
Worst part about secret invasion was it felt like it just didn’t matter. It mashed up two plots together and I wasn’t emotionally invested in either of them.
Oh damn, that 10:04 section would be such a nerd dropper if they introduced the tech as something named "Superior". I didn't think Superior Ironman would ever work in the MCU but hoo boy that would be a juicy thread to pull if someone was using Tony's legacy for extortion.
Noooo, the "Boom, you looking for this" made me spit out the last sip of coffee! 😂😂😂 the editor needs some love! They do some fantastic work for your content 👏
people are not getting it he did not get taken after civil war because in endgame when the avengers facility got attacked by thano's ship he was saying canopy to eject from his suit with red blood on his head
I knew it, I've said from day one, Rhodey was replaced after endgame. I never once thought it was right after civil war. I was so surprised when no one else thought it was after endgame. 😂
I remember we all were arguing when it was that Rhodey was a skrull, I'm really glad that they released this to just placate all of us. There was no way that he was a skrull during the Infinity war saga. The absolute deceit to fans that it would have been, with Rhodey not being able to be at his friends funeral? There are plot twists and surprises, but that would have been utterly unacceptable
I always figured it was post End Game when the switch occurred. Everything pointed to Gravic not going off the deep end until the snap was reversed. A switch take place before that does make much sense.
@@smoovenorrisidk it drives me crazy like literally every TH-camr ignores it lol but maybe we’re just wrong and it was a different peace talk coincidentally??
I didn’t watch secret invasion but the scene where Rhody gets taken in the hospital gown is when the skrulls intercepted, which would have taken place after endgame and that technology to do that was Tony’s gift to Rhody like the glasses were to Peter.
We also have a longer bucky and sarah scene or the last episode! I am so happy we got more bucky and sarah. And we got to hear what was happening at the party
I thought that Rodey needed the leg braces to walk. If he didn't have the leg braces on when taken out of the capsule then he wouldn't be able to walk and therefore leave the timeline open to interpretation on when he was swapped out. I assume he would need multiple visits to the hospital to which a robe would be needed and it could have been at any of these times later in the timeline where the swap could happen.
Rhodey was one big mistake I wouldn’t have been able to defend at all. I’m glad Marvel is addressing that and fixing it so it doesn’t cheapen everything his character’s gone through.
Watching this just gave me a realization that the studio probably thought it was too straightforward that Rhodey was going to be a Skrull in secret invasion. In FatWS it slipped my mind that Rhodey wasn't wearing his brace. nor did I question it when I saw him walking around in SI until the end
I was really excited about armor wars as a movie (I think the box office could be good money) and I like your idea; pretty cool. Deep too. Keep up the great work.
Well if you watch closely gravik gets all against fury after the harvest as gravik helped fury clean it up so thats why he knows about the harvest and that would mean he started taking people after endgame
For me, I think it should be that 'Secret Invasion' Rhodey was a Skull since after 'The Falcon and the Winter Soldier', but it being he instead was Skull since after 'Avengers Endgame' is good enough me, but ABSOLUTELY DEFINITELY most CERTAINLY NOT him being a Skrull since freaking 'Captain America Civil War'.
I thought it was obvious Rhodey was taken in Endgame. I was pretty sure Gravik was still on Nick's side to some extent up until Endgame but that was his breaking point because Fury disappeared to space right after Endgame. Wasn't there dialogue in one of the episodes where he inferred that Fury was his hero but he started to jade a bit over time but when he went to space that was the last straw? Otherwise why wouldn't Gravik just keep the DNA.
Eh, it's just as likely that the switch happened after Falcon and the Winter soldier and the reason Rhodey needs help getting out is that his legs had atrophied, a natural result of being kept unconscious for months on end.
I didn't think Rhodey got swapped after Civil War like most people let to believe. Just think about it for a sec, when was Rhodey become useful and essential for Gravik covert ops. And when did Rhodey become US President advisor? And when did the Avengers scattered after the climax Battle of Earth? Just a couple of simple questions are enough now to give us ideas that what the director told us isn't true. The director messed up so hard and confuses a lot of fans by himself during podcast and interview. But still I'm glad that Marvel release this video for us at least try to tell us something that Secret Invasion never tell us
Both are valid arguments. I would say any access to insider information on The Avengers, their movements, and the tech they have access to, would be INCREDIBLY valuable to the Skrull. Perhaps more so than even access to the U.S. President, and Rhodey's injury would have given the Skrull an easy way to replace him
The swap happened when he went in for the upgraded/special procedure. This explains the hospital gown and why he needs help walking when he is rescued.
i always assumed since we saw his leg braces in the endgame funeral that he was replaced after then, never understood people’s fascination with believing marvel/disney would just bastardize an entire character
You could just ask the fans why we don’t care anymore!! Instead of what u think we stopped for. Oh that’s right if your an actual FAN we the problem then got it
“Boom, lookin for this?” “That kills every time I tell it”.
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Ohh it’s a war machine story!! 😮 very good 💀🔨
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They could have just went for the narrative that Rhodey was replaced during one of his checkup post-endgame, end of story. That way it doesn't take away any meaningful conversation/interaction he had before.
Which holds up with the idea he "went for an upgraded procedure." Could have been mere weeks earlier instead of years.
This was always the most likely thing to me. I don't understand why people assumed it was at Civil War when he's obviously had to go through years of physiotherapy and checkups after that point.
@@yuvi3000 Many people try too hard
@@yuvi3000 I think people got so fixated on Everett Ross' question of "How long have you been here?" giving them the impression that Rhodey was there for a long time and also the fact that he was being carried/assisted by 2 soldiers.
Exactly
*FIRST THING* I said when I saw him in Secret Invasion was “hey the pants aren’t glowing anymore and his limps gone, how has *NOBODY* called that out!”
Bc I’m TFATWS he didn’t have that tech either
@him1062 yes he did. It was poking through his pants
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The funny thing is, before Secret Invasion, everyone was having fun with the possibility of Rhodey being a Skrull since Civil War, or even the whole time. It wasn't so fun once it happened!
That's so true omg
That's because everything around it was subpar.
i just concern how secret invasion ending start riots everywhere, people killling people because they thought they re skrull almost make it ww3, but i'm sure it won't mentioned again just like tiamat corpse in eternals.
@farid-frederick I got some exciting news for you pal.. lmao
It would make no sense if it was after Civil War....
Not JUST Skrodey being at the funeral, but literally being there with Tony in his FINAL MOMENTS. That just doesn’t sit right
I’m still pissed they killed Maria Hill
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Secret Invasion was another universe, problem solved.
Secret invasion was just a stealth season of what if
Secret invasion was just a side mission that isn't canon
Anything to make it non-canon.
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I think the easiest way for them to explain the Skrull swap and make it fit without further messing things up is, that it happened during a regular checkup. After an injury of that level, tech legs or not, there's gonna be regular checkups and pt for a long time, possibly for the rest of his life depending on how he heals and progresses.
yeah Secret Invation rly messed things up, glad this happened
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Glad what happened? That a load-bearing scene potentially explaining a huge plot-hole not only was pushed to a digital release but was scrapped altogether?
Sorry brother but that's called Hopeium
not as messed up as Inhumans and Madame Web
@@SirsasthNigam. Or Morbius.
@@aydenparker911 What "plot-hole"? Rhodey being a skrull for longer than you might like isn't a plot-hole. That's called Hater-ade.
He went in for a "miracle procedure" and that's when they nabbed him.
Totally agree.
Naw
just retcon the rest at this point lmao, literally nothing in secret invasion made any sense
Exactly
Fr its not cannon in my head
Not only it makes any sense, but also have no follow up at all... Nick Fury from The Marvels was a totally different character 🫠
If I'd been able to stay awake for all of it, I'd probably agree with you.
@@adriel.013No Fury is his usual self in The Marvels, the reason he was different in Secret Invasion should be obvious, there was a Skrull Invasion, and once he got that settled of course he’s going to be much happier and relieved again.
“BOOM, you looking for this?” killed me. 😂
RHODEY WAS TAKEN AFTER THE ENDGAME FIGHT
Gravik was STILL ON FURY'S SIDE DURING ENDGAME OR HE WOULDNT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE HARVEST
so Gravik couldn't have taken Rhodey before he turned on Nick Fury which was AFTER ENDGAME
Exactly, this is clearly the studio fixing the mistake that should've never happened. After this a complete reboot of secret invasion needs to happen.
This is it. There was no reason for him to be taken after civil war. Only after Endgame was Gravik against Fury
Exactly ... I felt from Marvel studio's pov this was pretty obvious but due to ali saleem's interview people took it out of proportion
@@thejaynesh In all honestly Ali Saleem probably should have kept his mouth shut about it when even he himself had no clue what he was talking about
@@tobiaslawrence8928It’s not the studio problem people are dumb. They say Roady in a hospital gown and completely freaked out thinking it meant he was one the entire time 😂😂😂.
I'd love if Armor Wars focused on the need for high end medical tech. I'm in a wheelchair and have two spinal stim units implanted in me and lots of screws and anchors. It would bring the MCU into real life circumstances like it never has before.
Now this is some DEI i can get behind.
That sounds neat him aiming for tech for medical purposes but others useing it for war and him stopping them
Can you guys believe they got that Skrull to act as well as Don Cheadle? ITS FIRST TIME EVER ACTING! They need to cast that skrull in more movies!
Sadly that poor skrull would just get type casted.
It? Skrulls have pronouns too
he never used the war machine between Falcon/WinterSoldier and Secret Invasion is the most obvious clue when the switch happen
5:26 I laughed way harder than I wanted to at that. “Boom, you looking for this?” 🤣🤣
They should have left that scene in during Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Probably time constraints.
For me Rhodey was taken between the events of endgame and falcon and the winter soldier.
He more than likely had regular doctor/PT appointments after those movies, and scheduling to grab him during one would’ve been easy for the Skrulls to figure out was what I thought
Exactly! End of discussion
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Raava's performance as Rhodey was so good that the jury thought it was Don himself, well done
after watching Secret Invasion, i just guessed that Rhodey got swapped out after Endgame. Probably during a doctor's appointment after tony's funeral because he got banged up during the battle
It’s funny because this exact criticism of skrulls happened with the original comic. Except it was wide number of characters like hank pym and spidermwoman.
Yeah this entire idea is cool on paper but self-defeating in practice. Though secret invasion was just so terrible on every level it was shocking. Failed as a spy thriller. Failed at being exciting. Failed at leaving any impact. All it did was retcon Nick Fury into a fraud
Gravik was still working under fury during endgame, so I see no ready for him to kidnap Rhodey atp in time. Rhodey most definitely was kidnapped AFTER endgame
Rhodey went in for a prostate exam , a skoll posed as a doctor, they snatched him up...problem solved
Canon!
Aliens do like probing, after all
It makes sense that the Skrulls saw how high up on the chain of command Rhodey was after End Game, and had a shell company invite him to a special treatment for his injury, so Rhodey would have told people around him that he was going to this surgery to heal
Then he goes to the place, they put him in a hospital gown, put him to sleep and they swap him for a skrull
Now the Skrull can pretend he's fully healed
It solves alot 😅
He wasn’t fully healed in Endgame
@@potsdam28 I never said he was, I said "AFTER End Game"
@@gazwilliams-nc7jp oh sorry
@@potsdam28 you better be haha
I knew “Boom Looking for this” was going to find its way in somehow😂😂
First time i ever laughed at "BOOM!! U lookin for this?"
"How confused Secret Invasion left us." You mean how trash it was that it didn't make sense.
I’ve known since release it took place after Endgame! Look at his head wound when Avengers Compound is collapsing on him in Avengers: Endgame. His wound is bleeding red, not purple, hence a human. It had to be after that
Their biggest mistake was killing Maria Hill off. Fix that!
maria hill was a skrull 0_0
Secret invasion is basically going to be like Highlander 2 we just don't talk about it
Or that "other" Avatar movie 🤣
There can be only one.
@@brianpainter6620 what "other" Avatar movie?
It's crazy I've been saying that he got switched B4 falcon and the winter soldier. Rhody in end game was crawling and no one was watching
He had to roll out of the initial armor. I noticed
I had noticed he didn't have the braces in Falcon and Winter Soldier and thought that was when it might have happened.
He also had red blood coming out of a cut on his face
This is great news. I was so off put by Secret Invasion's implication... well all of Secret Invasion actually.
I really enjoy the hypothesis for the Armor Wars concept!
Secret Invasion joins Agents of SHIELD as non-canonical AFAIC
Worst part about secret invasion was it felt like it just didn’t matter. It mashed up two plots together and I wasn’t emotionally invested in either of them.
For me, it wasn't secret enough. Because I know about it.
Oh damn, that 10:04 section would be such a nerd dropper if they introduced the tech as something named "Superior".
I didn't think Superior Ironman would ever work in the MCU but hoo boy that would be a juicy thread to pull if someone was using Tony's legacy for extortion.
Maybe "Armor Wars" is less about a suit of armor around the Earth itself, but a suit of armor for everyone on the planet...
Noooo, the "Boom, you looking for this" made me spit out the last sip of coffee! 😂😂😂 the editor needs some love! They do some fantastic work for your content 👏
people are not getting it he did not get taken after civil war because in endgame when the avengers facility got attacked by thano's ship he was saying canopy to eject from his suit with red blood on his head
I knew it, I've said from day one, Rhodey was replaced after endgame. I never once thought it was right after civil war. I was so surprised when no one else thought it was after endgame. 😂
I remember we all were arguing when it was that Rhodey was a skrull, I'm really glad that they released this to just placate all of us. There was no way that he was a skrull during the Infinity war saga. The absolute deceit to fans that it would have been, with Rhodey not being able to be at his friends funeral? There are plot twists and surprises, but that would have been utterly unacceptable
They should make it post captain america and the winter soldier so essentially it doesn't matter and secret invasion can be buried
I always figured it was post End Game when the switch occurred. Everything pointed to Gravic not going off the deep end until the snap was reversed. A switch take place before that does make much sense.
Tony did call it a hightech prosthesis in the Senate inquiry of Ironman 2 when Cheadle first showed up as Rhodes
"boom you lookin' for this?" , i definitely wasn't 😂
I legit just chalked up the dis-ease in leaving the skrulls’ facility and needing to be carried to muscle atrophy…
The “boom you looking for this?”when Rodey was falling is outta pocket 😂😂😂😂
“Falling with style…” lol
During the Marvels…Are they not at the treaty talks mentioned in secret invasion ?
Yes, so I don’t know why people act like it was referenced in the movie
@@smoovenorrisidk it drives me crazy like literally every TH-camr ignores it lol but maybe we’re just wrong and it was a different peace talk coincidentally??
5:25 friendly reminder not to eat/drink when watching these videos
... I almost choked from laughing 😂
I didn’t watch secret invasion but the scene where Rhody gets taken in the hospital gown is when the skrulls intercepted, which would have taken place after endgame and that technology to do that was Tony’s gift to Rhody like the glasses were to Peter.
We also have a longer bucky and sarah scene or the last episode! I am so happy we got more bucky and sarah. And we got to hear what was happening at the party
Great job on this video! I love your delivery 😅
Boom! You lookin' for this? You almost caused me to die with laughter, that TIMING!
I thought that Rodey needed the leg braces to walk. If he didn't have the leg braces on when taken out of the capsule then he wouldn't be able to walk and therefore leave the timeline open to interpretation on when he was swapped out. I assume he would need multiple visits to the hospital to which a robe would be needed and it could have been at any of these times later in the timeline where the swap could happen.
"Boom! You lookin' for this?"
I believe Rhodey became a scroll when they replaced Terrance Howard 😂
Rhodey was one big mistake I wouldn’t have been able to defend at all. I’m glad Marvel is addressing that and fixing it so it doesn’t cheapen everything his character’s gone through.
Bro I usually skip the ads but that energy drink ad had me cracking up lol
Watching this just gave me a realization that the studio probably thought it was too straightforward that Rhodey was going to be a Skrull in secret invasion. In FatWS it slipped my mind that Rhodey wasn't wearing his brace. nor did I question it when I saw him walking around in SI until the end
I'm still caught up on 'physical media release'. I was really scared streaming sites would rarely if ever allow it.
Thank goodness.
😂😂 at "Get this clown off the organ donor list!" @11:33
How about swapping out Secret Invasion with literally anything else
Not the 😂😂😂boom you looking for this!!! when he hit the ground lmfao
I don't want the F&WS scene to have been a skrull, either.
Falcon did not dodge Vision's beam with a barrel roll.
What do you mean?
@@adilakbar007 It was more of a somersault than a barrel roll, technically speaking.
Secret invasion was a what if series but it was SECRET.
Aaron Moten who plays Maximus on FallOut should be the next Kang! He would be perfect for the role
This clip reminds me that both of them are military pilots. Dope connection to have.
I was really excited about armor wars as a movie (I think the box office could be good money) and I like your idea; pretty cool. Deep too. Keep up the great work.
"Boom! You looking for this" still gets me 😂
when i watch secret invasion and knowingly rhodes is a skrull, i just taught to myself, it's post endgame switchup and not post civil war.
Well if you watch closely gravik gets all against fury after the harvest as gravik helped fury clean it up so thats why he knows about the harvest and that would mean he started taking people after endgame
For me, I think it should be that 'Secret Invasion' Rhodey was a Skull since after 'The Falcon and the Winter Soldier', but it being he instead was Skull since after 'Avengers Endgame' is good enough me, but ABSOLUTELY DEFINITELY most CERTAINLY NOT him being a Skrull since freaking 'Captain America Civil War'.
Honestly I chalked it up to Rhodey was hit by like a car or something after the funeral and got swapped there.
I also want an explanation as to why Skrull Rhodey never used his armor since he would have access to it
Fury didn't mention the Skulls to Carol because Secret Invasion Fury is a Skrull
I thought it was obvious Rhodey was taken in Endgame. I was pretty sure Gravik was still on Nick's side to some extent up until Endgame but that was his breaking point because Fury disappeared to space right after Endgame. Wasn't there dialogue in one of the episodes where he inferred that Fury was his hero but he started to jade a bit over time but when he went to space that was the last straw? Otherwise why wouldn't Gravik just keep the DNA.
5:26 💥You looking for this? 😂😂😂
Actually, I don't mind if he's been a Skrull the whole time, but that is Palpatine-level acting and planning.
When I never understood is why didn't Tony use extremis to repair Rody
Secret Invasion could have been so good but I honestly couldn’t even finish it.
Thanks for letting me know of a physical release for this
You can feel the awkwardness of the ad-libbing in that deleted scene
I’m glad this was cleared up. Rhodey’s blood was red in Endgame, which didn’t make sense if he was a skrull.
Eh, it's just as likely that the switch happened after Falcon and the Winter soldier and the reason Rhodey needs help getting out is that his legs had atrophied, a natural result of being kept unconscious for months on end.
Love this advertiser for one shot energy 😂 always makes me laugh
If you think about it, after the endgame, we havent seen rody wearing his armor, probably bec the skrull will not be recognized by the warmachine suit
To be fair he hasn’t really needed it he’s also only shown up once outside of Secret Invasion
Yes, I've essentially retconned Secret Wars from my mind. The entire situation with Rhodey just muddied things up!
Giah's biceps single handedly destroyed secret invasion series.
I love Anthony Mackie in "Real Steel" such a great movie
That retcon makes that bit of Secret Invasion a little better.
I didn't think Rhodey got swapped after Civil War like most people let to believe. Just think about it for a sec, when was Rhodey become useful and essential for Gravik covert ops. And when did Rhodey become US President advisor? And when did the Avengers scattered after the climax Battle of Earth? Just a couple of simple questions are enough now to give us ideas that what the director told us isn't true. The director messed up so hard and confuses a lot of fans by himself during podcast and interview. But still I'm glad that Marvel release this video for us at least try to tell us something that Secret Invasion never tell us
Both are valid arguments. I would say any access to insider information on The Avengers, their movements, and the tech they have access to, would be INCREDIBLY valuable to the Skrull. Perhaps more so than even access to the U.S. President, and Rhodey's injury would have given the Skrull an easy way to replace him
Thanks, thumbs up, have a great day.
The swap happened when he went in for the upgraded/special procedure. This explains the hospital gown and why he needs help walking when he is rescued.
i always assumed since we saw his leg braces in the endgame funeral that he was replaced after then, never understood people’s fascination with believing marvel/disney would just bastardize an entire character
I honestly feel like Rhodes coming out of the Cold to learn about Stark death would be a good scene for Armor Wars.
It's crazy how one little thing like that changes everything
😆"Boom! You looking for this?"
You could just ask the fans why we don’t care anymore!! Instead of what u think we stopped for. Oh that’s right if your an actual FAN we the problem then got it
5:26 made my jaw drop. I don't know whether to feel awful or to laugh uncontrollably...so, I'll do both.