And use of “absolutely” is him being not embarrassed, but pissed that this happened, so he’s using slight tone because he wants them to miraculously move and fix his problem.
Respect for the pilots for not risking a tight turn that could cause even more trouble and/or damage. At such an important position being able to say "no" firmly yet calmly is an essential skill.
Thought the same thing. Even after the first "no", they then got back with "they're advising that there's plenty of room", and the pilot stood their ground. Some minutes later when the vehicle got there they confirmed the pilot's perception of no room for a right turn.
@@mateusbmedeiros I always tell pilots I marshalled that if they feel uncomfortable and need a wing checked to stop and make me check it, it's way better to waste twenty seconds of my time than to take the nose off another airplane of get stuck in the dirt.
@@ericbosken3114 The article says it was technicians and employees, not passengers. Having passengers do it would be problematic as they'd have to bring out one of those stair modules - you can't just hop out the door on a jet like that, you'd likely break a leg or something falling that far to the pavement.
@@ericbosken3114 Ehhh the statement from detik itself said it was employees, that and look at the pic - I doubt many passengers travel in safety vests ;)
Delta pilot: I can't taxi, there's a plane in my way Envoy pilot: I can't taxi either, there's a plane in my way too Southwest pilot: I'm ready to go anytime, I'll even take off from the taxiway if that would help
Everyone telling Envoy he had plenty of room to make the turn until finally the ops vehicle tells him he doesn’t have enough room, good on them for sticking up for themselves and not doing something they weren’t comfortable with
I think ATC was hoping one of them would just go ahead and use reverse. But both pilots were reluctant to do that. An An-124 pilot would've been like: "Well I can just taxi around them if you don't mind me messing up your lawn a bit".
Perfect example of an honest mistake. All it cost was time, a bit of fuel, and some humble humiliation. No one got mad. No one yelled. Good way to handle the situation
@@Trevor-gu8bb There's no rush due to pay. But, I've seen several videos where something more trivial than this happens and either the pilot or atc goes ape. There's no need for it. If no one died, just deal with it and move on
Happens roughly once or twice a year at most major airports from talking to my ATC friends. Kind of like the pilots doing their pre-flight cabin introduction over ground radio.
When the guy said “I don’t know what your waiting on” then immediately starts fumbling for a semblance of an apology because he realized how it sounded. That’s happened to me a couple times.
@@MarcDufresneosorusrex Because it sounded like he was saying "Why aren't you doing anything?" when what he meant was "Is everything ok? You haven't started moving yet..."
@@janiselmeris5705 Cool, looks like my “language sense” is working well! XD But seriously, do be careful, with all that crazy stuff happening across the border in Belarus!
"I don't have room to turn." "Ops says you do." "Okay send ops out to eyeball it for us so we can make the turn." Ops guy on-site: "He doesn't have room to turn."
All they needed was an Air Canada flight having to go-around after trying to land on the taxiway, having set their radios to the wrong frequency so they couldn't acknowledge ATC 😂😂😂
Working Ops at CVG last year I can tell you this controller is awesome and was always a great time to chat with but, even the best of us make mistakes.
Good to hear that this guy has a good reputation. Hope this won't hurt his career too much; if this is the worst mistake he makes all year, he'll be doing well in my book.
@@jayschafer1760 Yeah not a major mistake. For sure they'll sit down and talk about a preventative action plan but the punitive action will probably come in the form or being the butt of some jokes for a bit.
They certainly know the aircraft's they're rated for better than the controller does. Plus those things are expensive. You clip a wing, you might lose your job, and I'm sure they'd all like to stay employed.
I too was wondering about that. I wonder if he actually hit the RT or if he thought about it and said "this is ATC's problem, not mine" and pretended to hit them.
@@catguy00 Thrust reverse redirects the normal thrust forward instead of rearward, but that's not the issue. The engine is still sucking in tons of air from in front of the plane, and everything on the ground in front of the plane, into the engine. Reverse thrust is used on landing on a "clean" runway to help slow the airplane (in addition to brakes and lift-spoiling devices), but using reverse thrust is discontinued at (typically) 60 knots--about the time the airplane is ready to exit the runway onto a taxiway. TL;DR--using enough reverse thrust to move a loaded airplane backwards on a taxiway is a needlessly dumb thing to do--especially when your need for doing so isn't your fault, or your reasons for doing so is to be "super helpful."
Boy Scout Regional pilot trying to help out mainline Delta crew--who would never return the favor, let alone return a wave or a friendly nod in the terminal. Reverse on a taxiway: dumb, dumb, dumb offer to make.
@@catguy00 to oversimplify Adams answer: The thrust of the engine is quite powerful and can kick up rocks and stuff. When using reversers those rocks and stuff are being pushed forward passed the engine intake where it can be sucked into the engine
And once again, despite the screw up and back and forth, I am blown away by the calmness and proffesionalism of pilots and controllers. The rest of the working world could take a lot of good notes from the aviation industry.
I'm surprised that the controller asked them about thrust reversers. As I understand it, many jets and airlines have policies/procedures that preclude them from using reversers below a certain speed (e.g. anything other than slowing down after landing) due to the risks of debris getting sucked into the engines.
I was going to mention that as well. Definitely not a great idea to use reverse thrust for slow speed maneuvering. It is especially an issue for wing mounted engines. I am assuming Envoy was a 175.
Ten hours later......Seriously, controller knew he did wrong but still held it together to try and get this fixed. We're all human and make mistakes. I know that I could never be an ATC. I think ATC was judged to be the most stressful job.
"I think ATC was judged to be the most stressful job." Well, then there's the guy whose job it is to be Joe "Listen, fat" Biden's teleprompter operator.
@@ClosestToTheSun that doesn’t work here. You can’t just steal republicans saying, I mean that’s what you democrats do best, steal, but this won’t fly here. Anyways Biden is quite literally deranged.
Just noticed at 2:58 CVG GND says "any way shape or form" but the caption says "any ways you perform." First time noticing a slight error for you, which is impressive as often as you wind up posting! Much respect VASA. 🤘🏻
Hey Victor, I was curious if you are going to do a video of what occurred with the Ryanair flight that was forced to land in Belarus? The ATC has got to be interesting and shocking!! Thank you!
Yes, and if there's any way to get internal phone conversations from Ryanair too... (Irish people sound funny anyway, but imagine the language they're using in those phone conversations when they heard what happened! I naturally mean when they heard that they had to waste all that extra fuel...)
Good thing the little plane's pilot was confident enough to tell the tower that he was not comfortable moving w/o people on the ground despite ATCs reassurance that everything is clear, when in reality the guy on the ground confirmed there is no space.
I'm shocked at how well those pilots took it. Everyone screws up at some point. Any controller or pilot claiming they never make mistakes isn't being honest.
One night years ago at JFK my captain stopped the taxi, and I asked why. He said “If we go past this intersection then we’ll be trapped by that A340.” Then I realized that he was a real man of genius.
Fun facts about Greater Cincinnati International Airport: 1) It’s not even in Ohio, let alone Cincinnati. It’s initialism CVG comes from Covington, Kentucky, which is approximately five miles east-northeast of the airport. If named today, it’s abbreviation would like be based off of the city of Hebron - possibly HEB, although that sign is taken by a regional airport in Burma. 2) It is run by the Kenton County Airport Board, even though the airport lies entirely with Boone County (does border Kenton County) 3) CVG is DHL’s largest cargo hub globally. 4) Canadian folk singer Stan Rogers died in a cabin fire incident which required his plane land at CVG. Though the majority of passengers died, some passengers and all crew survived. 5) Every time I fly through CVG it takes no more than thirty minutes from the time I walk through the door until my butt is in my seat by my gate. Incredibly smooth operation.
As someone who has driven with trailers that obstructed all vision behind the car, I can fully understand why the Envoy wasn't comfortable with the idea (and in the car you have at least the side mirrors still, in an aircraft you have zilch). And correct me if I am wrong, but to my knowledge it is simply "illegal" for those types of aircraft to use their reversers to taxi, and I think they simply didn't want the hassle with having to explain why they did. I'm sure it would have worked, and would have been safe with a wing-walker etc, but they played it by the books. Sure, annoying, but rules are rules.
Back in the '90's, Northwest's (now part of Delta) standard pushback from the gate in Memphis was thrust reversers. I think I also saw them do that in Minneapolis as well, but I'm not sure.
Delta used to do powered pushbacks from the gate when they were flying the MD88s. The plane has tail-mounted engines so they were higher off the ground and used eyelid-style reversers which seem to reverse almost all of the thrust from the engines. Even then, I think they only did this when they were parked at the end gates which have more space around them.
0:28 OH! YOU'RE APPROACHING ME! INSTEAD OF RUNNING AWAY YOU'RE COMING RIGHT TO ME! Other plane : I cant headbutt you without coming closer. -You gonna ask whats is this. This is a something gamers called "Meme". It was on anime called "JoJo Blizzare advantures season 3." The first one plane reference guy was "Dio" and "other plane" guy is named "Jotaro" . This is a reference from that anime.
at 2:15 the Envoy said that there is too much room to go backwards so they can't use reversers? Sounds unlogical. Apart from the fact that they don't do powerbacks with modern jets because the engines could suck up debris which was thrusted forward by the reversers.
What should’ve been issued at 0:12 was Delta 1541 Cincinnati Ground, hold short of T6 once five way to the embraer up ahead taxing right to left once they’re no factor taxi to the ramp via T J call the ramp tower when you’re short of J
I have seen the mad dogs and 727s use reverse thrust and back up out of the gate at some airports in the past with just a man standing in front of the plane plugged into the intercom port in in the nose. Are they no longer able to do that with today’s planes? When I was a little kid, we were on a 707 at a gate at Love Field in Texas and they pulled to far forward into the gate, and used reverse thrust to nudge the plane back into the correct parking position. As a little kid, I loved it! Hearing those engines wind up a tad, then watching the wing spoilers pop up when he stepped on the brake or what ever. They repeated the process about 3 times before they were satisfied and shut everything down. Will never forget that event.
Doing a "powerback" introduces greater risk of ingesting foreign objects into the engine, and causing damage to objects to the front of the airplane, if not the airplane itself. You can also induce a tail strike if you do a powerback, and then tap your brakes. Airlines and the FAA have pretty strict procedures and guidelines for doing powerbacks, due to those mentioned safety concerns.
LGB GND put me in a similar situation, nose to nose with a cargo 767. We didnt say anything and waited for GND to notice, about two long minutes. I was able to turn around since I was in a Cessna.
damn, just imagie APF95 would've been a commenting ATC on this: "yeah... to all planes... stand-off at tango! reverse thrusters ready, but who ever is rolling backwards first is a loser! ... ok, now delta is just leaving the taxiway over the grass directly on the runway ... yeah, delta just collided with a hot air balloon making mach 2 five feet over ground ... we have a major accident, pilots in the air advised to land only on the last 3rd of the runway"
I've seen this happen at KFWA. It had been raining a lot so to get a tug around the aircraft they had to run out and purchase sheets of plywood to lay down in the grass off the taxiway so the tug could drive around the aircraft, total time to undo the nose to nose situation 6 hours. The cargo company awarded the two controllers a golden towbar award which the rest of controllers to thoroughly harass the two offenders.
I was working ground at SLC when Western earned the coveted Golden Towbar Award! I tried to tell him to wait for his gate but he thought he knew better. He must have forgot that gates B4 & B6 were reversed or it was his 1st time at SLC. As it was the ramp I had no real control, but I was just trying to prevent what ended up happening.
When I have a bad day, I remind myself of the famous and very good surgeon who performed one surgery where he caused a 300% mortality rate (not a typo - source: www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/time-me-gentlemen-the-fastest-surgeon-of-the-19th-century/264065/ ). Puts my screwups into context for sure.
What was that old song.... oh yeah.. "Shake down, Break down, you're busted!". Everything caught on either video or audio these days- have to watch yourselves!
Thank God it happened this way. Shows that Patience is a virtue. Glad everybody was on top of their game and paying attention during the ordeal. Sure a mistake was made and I’m sure it was a little irritating, but glad everybody was able to resolve the issue and these planes didn’t inadvertently crash into one another. It worked out in this case it could’ve been much worse. Thank God.
I can just hear the conversation on the ramp breakroom... "anybody available to move a plane on the taxiway that is somehow stuck" ... everybody "we are having lunch right now, but we can do it for Overtime" sups ... well just go then...
Looked to me like the Envoy wanted a wing walker to use his reversers to back up a little. He almost used them earlier, but not being able to see past the wings behind him is a huge risk he rightfully didn't want to take.
![[REAL ATC] MD-80 DELTA CRASH at La Guardia Airport](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/biDnVJ6EqA8/mqdefault.jpg)
Oops, someone messed up!
Golden towbar!
Someone said something wrong
bruh.
Could you du the Belarus grounding
Does this mean one ground controller needs a new job oder does he just need to attend some training course?
"theres absolutely no one behind you"
says the guy who told you there'd be no one in front of you.
And use of “absolutely” is him being not embarrassed, but pissed that this happened, so he’s using slight tone because he wants them to miraculously move and fix his problem.
Lovely funny comment. 🤣👍
Panik
true but at least this ATC did better than others where planes crash on runway
😹😹😹
Pilot: i need a tug
ATC: i need a hug
Most underrated comment. 😆😆😆
And I ordered a mug.
And everyone got a thug.
ATC distractrd during original instructions: getting a tug.
Someone about to pull the plug
Pilot says to the ATC 'I've got a number for you to copy'
2 pilots...says...
Best comment yet
Don't forget the "possible controller deviation"
@@buckbuchanan5849 Thanks :)
@@NochEinKamel Yep!
This is Delta Tug 2's moment to shine.
Rumor has it that just before retiring, Kennedy Steve cleared Delta Tug 2 to reposition all the way to Cincinnati!
@@GC-qe8vc lmfao hahahaha
That's rich, and Steve's been retired just long enough it sailed past a few
I can hear Kennedy Steve talking to a coffee cup saying a pretty grabbed DELTA TUG TWO !
You are my hero right here :))
Respect for the pilots for not risking a tight turn that could cause even more trouble and/or damage. At such an important position being able to say "no" firmly yet calmly is an essential skill.
Thought the same thing. Even after the first "no", they then got back with "they're advising that there's plenty of room", and the pilot stood their ground. Some minutes later when the vehicle got there they confirmed the pilot's perception of no room for a right turn.
@@mateusbmedeiros I always tell pilots I marshalled that if they feel uncomfortable and need a wing checked to stop and make me check it, it's way better to waste twenty seconds of my time than to take the nose off another airplane of get stuck in the dirt.
Totally what I thought. Don't give in to peer pressure.
Wasn't the idea to use the reverse thrust to go back and then turn right?
@@mateusbmedeiros Like I said in another comment it’s a good thing because the tower’s perception was not exactly great that day!!! XD
Surprised with all the other ideas that ATC didn’t recommend all the passengers get out and push
If it was RyanAir, they would've made them push to save time, then charged a "passenger interaction surcharge" and a "reboarding fee"
Should have called this guy:
th-cam.com/video/ZUjLMV5M4dY/w-d-xo.html
@@ericbosken3114 The article says it was technicians and employees, not passengers. Having passengers do it would be problematic as they'd have to bring out one of those stair modules - you can't just hop out the door on a jet like that, you'd likely break a leg or something falling that far to the pavement.
@@Strahan740i the rumor was that they had used those roller stairs (most smaller airports here do not have jet bridges)
@@ericbosken3114 Ehhh the statement from detik itself said it was employees, that and look at the pic - I doubt many passengers travel in safety vests ;)
Delta pilot: I can't taxi, there's a plane in my way
Envoy pilot: I can't taxi either, there's a plane in my way too
Southwest pilot: I'm ready to go anytime, I'll even take off from the taxiway if that would help
$20 says SW taxied by the standoff at C172 rotation speed
I see we are both in the same algorithm track.
I love this. Used to watch planes a lot at Portland intl and it was always fun to see how fast the Southwest Airlines pilots would go on the ground
hahaha lmao
"Ladies and gentlemen if you look to your right we have a bit of a showdown going on"
Everyone telling Envoy he had plenty of room to make the turn until finally the ops vehicle tells him he doesn’t have enough room, good on them for sticking up for themselves and not doing something they weren’t comfortable with
The controller is all "I get could get a bus through that gap"
Unfortunately the pilot had to get an aircraft through it.
@@cmotdibbler4454 there's a difference between bus and airbus...
@@ishanagrawal753 That wasn't an airbus either.
He literally said there’s too much room to go backwards what in the world does that mean lol
I can't like it's 420
I can respect when ATC catches himself at 3:32 and clarifies when he realizes his choice of words could have been misinterpreted
Haha yep.
Even I at first thought he was being sassy. Funny how sometimes things come out differently than they’re intended to.
he put his reverses on that real fast hahaha
I think ATC was hoping one of them would just go ahead and use reverse. But both pilots were reluctant to do that.
An An-124 pilot would've been like: "Well I can just taxi around them if you don't mind me messing up your lawn a bit".
@@suzukirider9030 LOL!
Perfect example of an honest mistake. All it cost was time, a bit of fuel, and some humble humiliation.
No one got mad. No one yelled. Good way to handle the situation
Humanity prevails.
The pilots are getting paid by the hour so they're in no rush 😁
@@Trevor-gu8bb There's no rush due to pay. But, I've seen several videos where something more trivial than this happens and either the pilot or atc goes ape. There's no need for it. If no one died, just deal with it and move on
But it can still cost in missed connections and other penalties
@@PrivateMarcus I'll take financial loss over loss of life or loss of cool any day
You could hear him die a little inside at 40 seconds
It was at this moment he knew, he f'd up.
Surely you can't be serious.....
He really just said “I’m sorry, just standby”
He didn't die inside as much as those passengers having to wait around and possibly miss their connecting flights...
I'm honestly genuinely in sorry for that flight controller 😅 but we got a clear standoff 😎 well done 😎
“No more games of chicken with the planes today John” -his coworkers everyday for the rest of his career
hopefully its not: "no more planes for you... its all chickens my boy!"
This controller had become the proud recipient of the famous Golden Towbar Award!
wow, it's real
To his head, if those pilots are nearby.
Happens roughly once or twice a year at most major airports from talking to my ATC friends. Kind of like the pilots doing their pre-flight cabin introduction over ground radio.
*Both planes looking right at each other with nowhere else to go* "Well this is awkward!! We have reached an impasse" lol
yep...or a stand-off between 2 different planes
When the guy said “I don’t know what your waiting on” then immediately starts fumbling for a semblance of an apology because he realized how it sounded.
That’s happened to me a couple times.
When you say something aloud and immediately realize what you just said is probably the worst way to phrase it
that was a bit WTF kind of moment.
Much better than when you realize an hour later.
how would it be mis-interpreted .. sorry .. and thanks🤥 okay i think another comment gave me the answer.. (waiting on the vehicle underneath him?)
@@MarcDufresneosorusrex Because it sounded like he was saying "Why aren't you doing anything?" when what he meant was "Is everything ok? You haven't started moving yet..."
I love how nobody is trusting the tower to know if they have enough room, after this!!! XD
Indeed. :-)
I think the tower talked about the plane having room to go back, not to turn right from the position it was in.
@@janiselmeris5705 Either way, no one was trusting the tower to know if they could do it!! 🤣 BTW, are you from Lithuania or Latvia?
@@nerysghemor5781 Well, that's understandable, yes. :) Latvia.
@@janiselmeris5705 Cool, looks like my “language sense” is working well! XD But seriously, do be careful, with all that crazy stuff happening across the border in Belarus!
"I don't have room to turn."
"Ops says you do."
"Okay send ops out to eyeball it for us so we can make the turn."
Ops guy on-site: "He doesn't have room to turn."
That really was a “taxiway tango”.
Lol, underrated
All they needed was an Air Canada flight having to go-around after trying to land on the taxiway, having set their radios to the wrong frequency so they couldn't acknowledge ATC 😂😂😂
Working Ops at CVG last year I can tell you this controller is awesome and was always a great time to chat with but, even the best of us make mistakes.
Good to hear that this guy has a good reputation. Hope this won't hurt his career too much; if this is the worst mistake he makes all year, he'll be doing well in my book.
@@jayschafer1760 it won't hurt his career at all. Everyone makes mistakes. Any controller or pilot that says they don't is a liar.
That's good, because this was some major cringe.
did he keep his job?
@@jayschafer1760 Yeah not a major mistake. For sure they'll sit down and talk about a preventative action plan but the punitive action will probably come in the form or being the butt of some jokes for a bit.
Too many great lines come to mind:
“It takes two to Tango”
“My tug is faster than your tug”
Thank god you never said "tug me off" 😁
I tend not to boast. about my fast tug
@@Techy111 a wasted opportunity for some comedy on the radio :(
Fortunately it wasn't Delta tug 2 as he is still waiting for clearance.
The animation is similar to when you run into your ex girlfriend at the bar.
And you need a friend to pull you out if the situation (the tug)
Made more awkward by the guy on the roof, watching with binoculars, repeating "standby" into a megaphone
lol.. best comment ever.
I assume the ex was with the guy with the bigger cockpit.
@@patrickinottawa27 when you find out your girl been talking to ATC when you're out of town...
Good job on the pilots for saying "NO" and standing their ground when the controller was like "Nah man you got this just try a 180"
other risk would have been crash right into each other
They certainly know the aircraft's they're rated for better than the controller does. Plus those things are expensive. You clip a wing, you might lose your job, and I'm sure they'd all like to stay employed.
If you can get the atc discussion and interception with the Ryanair flight highjacked to Minsk, you truly are the best!
came here to ask for that as well
That would be good....
Well, technically it's not a "hijacking". Not with a fighter escort. It needs a new term.
@@e.l.norton kidnapping?
@@LeifNelandDk Extreme "interpretation" of ICAO 3bis (b), for full details ask one Mr Assange!
Aww, i was looking forward to the thrust reversers...
big air craft goes: beep beep beepp
C-17s do it, but they have a loadmaster watching out the back for them
They realized company wouldn't be too happy with that little maneuver lol
Yea probably not safe because FOD from the ground or compressor stall due to low speed
😅😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Got to do that on a NWA DC9 once. Icy morning in AZO and the tug couldn't get traction on the ramp. Powered pushback and were good to go.
Kudos to everyone for reacting calmly and professionally.
No name calling. No finger-pointing. No complaining.
So the Delta tug thinks they can get out there faster than the Envoy tug, huh? Sounds like a good ol' fashioned tug-off to me! Wait...
The Delta plane, depending on the model, might be able to get a tug underneath the plane, or around it without impacting the wings. It’s mainline.
@@AEMoreira81 Congratulations, you've missed the joke
PHRASING!
I'd say it was a tug of war.
Aaand it's at 69 likes, not gonna touch that.
I'd love to be the Envoy pilot if he'd fired up the reversers, ingested FOD and wrecked an engine trying to bail ATC out.
I too was wondering about that. I wonder if he actually hit the RT or if he thought about it and said "this is ATC's problem, not mine" and pretended to hit them.
For those of us with little to no knowledge about aviation can you explain the potential damage that could be caused by reversing?
@@catguy00 Thrust reverse redirects the normal thrust forward instead of rearward, but that's not the issue. The engine is still sucking in tons of air from in front of the plane, and everything on the ground in front of the plane, into the engine. Reverse thrust is used on landing on a "clean" runway to help slow the airplane (in addition to brakes and lift-spoiling devices), but using reverse thrust is discontinued at (typically) 60 knots--about the time the airplane is ready to exit the runway onto a taxiway. TL;DR--using enough reverse thrust to move a loaded airplane backwards on a taxiway is a needlessly dumb thing to do--especially when your need for doing so isn't your fault, or your reasons for doing so is to be "super helpful."
Boy Scout Regional pilot trying to help out mainline Delta crew--who would never return the favor, let alone return a wave or a friendly nod in the terminal. Reverse on a taxiway: dumb, dumb, dumb offer to make.
@@catguy00 to oversimplify Adams answer: The thrust of the engine is quite powerful and can kick up rocks and stuff. When using reversers those rocks and stuff are being pushed forward passed the engine intake where it can be sucked into the engine
"Got a stand off at T" 😂
I lost my shit at that comment lmaooo
And once again, despite the screw up and back and forth, I am blown away by the calmness and proffesionalism of pilots and controllers. The rest of the working world could take a lot of good notes from the aviation industry.
On a side note, could have saved a lot of time if they sent a wing walker WITH the tug.
At 3:32 the ground controller had a bit of attitude and on his next sentence he stutters because he realized that he was a bit rude 😂
100%
I believe he just wants this "nightmare" to go away!, a highly embarrassing moment that will be the butt end joke, for many coffee room days to come!
@@rubenvillanueva8635
Well, probably for nights to come. He’s grave yard shift for a long time coming.
From the way he was talking, I think he was genuinely asking what they were waiting for, but then realized it could sound sort of sarcastic and rude.
@@TonboIV Yeah you could hear the panic in his next transmission as he realized how it sounded compared to what he meant
Awwwwww, you can hear the controller dying inside. That poor soul.
That is such an embarrassing occurrence!
I thought the thumbnail said "Will need a hug..." lol
ATC will after this one lol!
So funny me too!
Same lol
Well, a tug gives a hug to an aircraft's nose wheel, is supportive and takes it into places it can't go on its own...
That's what we're all thinking of first during this pandemic... 😅
Pilot: Got a standoff at Tango.
Tower: Nope, clear to taxi, first one that chickens out loses ramp clearance.
it's hard to taxi until a tug comes for the plane and get it out of the way
I'm surprised that the controller asked them about thrust reversers. As I understand it, many jets and airlines have policies/procedures that preclude them from using reversers below a certain speed (e.g. anything other than slowing down after landing) due to the risks of debris getting sucked into the engines.
It use a lot of gas to reverse a plane from a standstill,
If you ask the question then you find out if it’s an option or not.
The controller doesn't care the only people who get in trouble would be the pilots but yea They aren't allowed to use the reversers
I'm just watching videos, but I did see a vortex coming into an engine from the pavement once - debris looks very possible.
I was going to mention that as well. Definitely not a great idea to use reverse thrust for slow speed maneuvering. It is especially an issue for wing mounted engines. I am assuming Envoy was a 175.
"possible controller deviation imma need you to copy a number down whenever you're ready"
This was the most entertaining non-movement video ive ever seen. Tarantino-style stand off dialogue.
Ten hours later......Seriously, controller knew he did wrong but still held it together to try and get this fixed. We're all human and make mistakes. I know that I could never be an ATC. I think ATC was judged to be the most stressful job.
true that
"I think ATC was judged to be the most stressful job."
Well, then there's the guy whose job it is to be Joe "Listen, fat" Biden's teleprompter operator.
@@pistonburner6448 BDS
@@ClosestToTheSun that doesn’t work here. You can’t just steal republicans saying, I mean that’s what you democrats do best, steal, but this won’t fly here. Anyways Biden is quite literally deranged.
@@Maxdubi ok dork
Imagine they sent out a tug right when Delta asked lol
Just noticed at 2:58 CVG GND says "any way shape or form" but the caption says "any ways you perform." First time noticing a slight error for you, which is impressive as often as you wind up posting! Much respect VASA. 🤘🏻
In my dreams I'm hearing the Kennedy Steve version of this and rolling on the floor from laughter
That would be such a gift to the world, wouldn't it?
Worthy of innumerable replays🤗
Hey Victor, I was curious if you are going to do a video of what occurred with the Ryanair flight that was forced to land in Belarus? The ATC has got to be interesting and shocking!! Thank you!
Yes, and if there's any way to get internal phone conversations from Ryanair too... (Irish people sound funny anyway, but imagine the language they're using in those phone conversations when they heard what happened! I naturally mean when they heard that they had to waste all that extra fuel...)
Seconding this. It's probably the most significant aviation incident right now, despite it being a political thing.
@@aronakbiyikian2577 agree completely!!! Thank you for seconding this!
@@jessicapope6977 ;) any time
I'm also waiting for this
Once in a while, we all mess up. Fairly quick resolution. Shit happens. Life goes on.
Nice! I like your perception of things. Your kinda remind me of James Asquith YT videos...check him out...I am certain you will enjoy his videos.
@@rosem7568 stop self promoting your main channel lol
0:40 - It was at this moment the controller knew… he f--d up
Glad to see my picture made it! Glad I was there to see this happen!
Good thing the little plane's pilot was confident enough to tell the tower that he was not comfortable moving w/o people on the ground despite ATCs reassurance that everything is clear, when in reality the guy on the ground confirmed there is no space.
I'm shocked at how well those pilots took it. Everyone screws up at some point. Any controller or pilot claiming they never make mistakes isn't being honest.
One night years ago at JFK my captain stopped the taxi, and I asked why. He said “If we go past this intersection then we’ll be trapped by that A340.” Then I realized that he was a real man of genius.
2:59
correction: "any ways you perform" should be "any way, shape, or form"
Indeed, but auto translators are not infallible and those phrases can be almost identical in some accents, particularly Irish.
This could have been prevented if the engines had the ability to rotate 90 degrees and allow for a vertical take off.
Fun facts about Greater Cincinnati International Airport:
1) It’s not even in Ohio, let alone Cincinnati. It’s initialism CVG comes from Covington, Kentucky, which is approximately five miles east-northeast of the airport. If named today, it’s abbreviation would like be based off of the city of Hebron - possibly HEB, although that sign is taken by a regional airport in Burma.
2) It is run by the Kenton County Airport Board, even though the airport lies entirely with Boone County (does border Kenton County)
3) CVG is DHL’s largest cargo hub globally.
4) Canadian folk singer Stan Rogers died in a cabin fire incident which required his plane land at CVG. Though the majority of passengers died, some passengers and all crew survived.
5) Every time I fly through CVG it takes no more than thirty minutes from the time I walk through the door until my butt is in my seat by my gate. Incredibly smooth operation.
As someone who has driven with trailers that obstructed all vision behind the car, I can fully understand why the Envoy wasn't comfortable with the idea (and in the car you have at least the side mirrors still, in an aircraft you have zilch). And correct me if I am wrong, but to my knowledge it is simply "illegal" for those types of aircraft to use their reversers to taxi, and I think they simply didn't want the hassle with having to explain why they did. I'm sure it would have worked, and would have been safe with a wing-walker etc, but they played it by the books. Sure, annoying, but rules are rules.
100%, 'powerback' is just not a safe or responsible option just because atc says so. Stick to SOPs and let atc/ground sort their own problem.
Normally traffic control sounds so robot like, but the moment the guy messed up it felt so relatable
i love these peaceful co-op solutions.
this is awesome
Kinda feel bad for that controller. He won't live that down for a while.
Great to see how both pilots co-operated so well and did not pour scorn on the controller for making a blunder.....well done
Back in the '90's, Northwest's (now part of Delta) standard pushback from the gate in Memphis was thrust reversers. I think I also saw them do that in Minneapolis as well, but I'm not sure.
I think the policy is stop your pushback until the other plane departs
Delta used to do powered pushbacks from the gate when they were flying the MD88s. The plane has tail-mounted engines so they were higher off the ground and used eyelid-style reversers which seem to reverse almost all of the thrust from the engines. Even then, I think they only did this when they were parked at the end gates which have more space around them.
0:28 OH! YOU'RE APPROACHING ME! INSTEAD OF RUNNING AWAY YOU'RE COMING RIGHT TO ME!
Other plane : I cant headbutt you without coming closer.
-You gonna ask whats is this. This is a something gamers called "Meme". It was on anime called "JoJo Blizzare advantures season 3." The first one plane reference guy was "Dio" and "other plane" guy is named "Jotaro" . This is a reference from that anime.
Yikes!! Someone in Ground had a brain-fart... The controller must have felt horrible.... excellent professionalism by the pilots.
My exact thoughts as well. If you found this video interesting, I bet you will enjoy James Asquith YT videos as I did. Check him out!
Mistakes happen... this certainly wasn't a life-threatening error... nice to see everyone maintained a respectful demeanor
You can tell the controller felt bad and realised he messed up. I'm glad the pilots didn't give him a hard time.
"I can verify that from the tower" yeah most reassuring...
Trust me, I know what I am doing...
And that boys and girls, is how Little Johnny in the tower got the nickname "Wrong Way".
Maybe "Head-On" would be a good nickname, too. Dunno.
The guy who parks next to me on the ramp is ex USAF and has his call sign "Wrong Way" on his 172 hah.
at 2:15 the Envoy said that there is too much room to go backwards so they can't use reversers? Sounds unlogical.
Apart from the fact that they don't do powerbacks with modern jets because the engines could suck up debris which was thrusted forward by the reversers.
Didn't want to run them for more than a moment?
Imagine fucking up once and your mistake is immortalized here, lol
Thank god nobody was recording my first controlled approach
The internet might find it, eventually...
...we must find it
Hahaha
What should’ve been issued at 0:12 was Delta 1541 Cincinnati Ground, hold short of T6 once five way to the embraer up ahead taxing right to left once they’re no factor taxi to the ramp via T J call the ramp tower when you’re short of J
0:35 someone is in a mood 😂
Mistakes will always happen, the ATC has a difficult job. But man the feeling of inconveniencing several hundreds of people at once must suck hard.
God this feels like my trucking days. "You got plenty of room to get into there driver!" Armchair dispatchers telling you what you're able to do.
That is why as an ATC the way you speak is SUPER important.
I'd love to hear the pilot announcement to the passengers about this one...
Gnd should've commissioned the tug at the very first moment. Sending a wing-walker was a waste of time.
I think they did. And were waiting to hear back while exploring other options.
Or a wing walker in a tug.
Well that controller won’t make that mistake a second time.
I have seen the mad dogs and 727s use reverse thrust and back up out of the gate at some airports in the past with just a man standing in front of the plane plugged into the intercom port in in the nose. Are they no longer able to do that with today’s planes? When I was a little kid, we were on a 707 at a gate at Love Field in Texas and they pulled to far forward into the gate, and used reverse thrust to nudge the plane back into the correct parking position. As a little kid, I loved it! Hearing those engines wind up a tad, then watching the wing spoilers pop up when he stepped on the brake or what ever. They repeated the process about 3 times before they were satisfied and shut everything down. Will never forget that event.
Even making the suggestion of doing a power-back with no marshallers watching is pretty crazy. Pilots should've said "hell no" to that.
Scrolling fast thru the comments and misread this as "...Doing a power-back with no marshmallows watching..." Gave myself a good laugh😆
Not to mention the taxiway debris it is going to kick up and feed into the engines...
0:57 the sigh and resignation in the ATC voice - priceless
Lmao I work on the ramp here that would have been hilarious to see if I was there.
DHL or city?
Lmao no you're not, you cook meth for a living.
@@sfpup87 I used to work at the main airport now I work at DHL.
@@Tommyr44 nice bro if you’re working ramp tower you I talk
@@Rockjael2 wrong. His physical body cooked meth but now we're talking to his spirit
I’m surprised they’re even approved to use reversers to push the aircraft back. Most companies including mine prohibit such use.
Probably not, just an off the cuff suggestion
2:12 - Genuinely wondering. Why couldn't either plane use reversers to back up a bit? Why does having "too much room" mean you can't back up?
Doing a "powerback" introduces greater risk of ingesting foreign objects into the engine, and causing damage to objects to the front of the airplane, if not the airplane itself. You can also induce a tail strike if you do a powerback, and then tap your brakes.
Airlines and the FAA have pretty strict procedures and guidelines for doing powerbacks, due to those mentioned safety concerns.
@@gwencrawford737 Tail strike can be avoided if you use forward thrust instead of brakes.
@@gwencrawford737 how does reverse thrust cause a greater risk of ingestion than using normal thrust to move forward?
Most airlines forbid using reverser under certain speed(Most of the time they can only be used during landing or emergency).
In simple words, plane can slip off the taxiway or runway if the thrust reversers go a slight bit wrong.
Dang, as a Cincinnatian I'm quite disappointed I wasn't at the viewing area for this!
Well - a mistake that was handled in a professional manor. No cursing or D1ck swinging just pilots who took care of business. I like it.
Plot twist: Envoy 4078's pilot snatched a parking spot from in front of the controller's nose that morning. This was payback.
"Hey Tower, i've got a number for you to copy"
Planes are like dogs. You want them sniffing butts, not facing off.
This...this is deep lol
But planes need to socially distance while sniffing airplane butt
You got your dogs for different reasons than I did, buddy... Is there a certain breed for that?
LGB GND put me in a similar situation, nose to nose with a cargo 767. We didnt say anything and waited for GND to notice, about two long minutes. I was able to turn around since I was in a Cessna.
This reminds me of the last AFP95 video lol
Same
damn, just imagie APF95 would've been a commenting ATC on this: "yeah... to all planes... stand-off at tango! reverse thrusters ready, but who ever is rolling backwards first is a loser! ... ok, now delta is just leaving the taxiway over the grass directly on the runway ... yeah, delta just collided with a hot air balloon making mach 2 five feet over ground ... we have a major accident, pilots in the air advised to land only on the last 3rd of the runway"
I see we have men of culture in here.
I've seen this happen at KFWA. It had been raining a lot so to get a tug around the aircraft they had to run out and purchase sheets of plywood to lay down in the grass off the taxiway so the tug could drive around the aircraft, total time to undo the nose to nose situation 6 hours. The cargo company awarded the two controllers a golden towbar award which the rest of controllers to thoroughly harass the two offenders.
Envoy: you turn
Delta: no you
Gnd: aah fu*k
Aww, s***, here we go again.
I was working ground at SLC when Western earned the coveted Golden Towbar Award! I tried to tell him to wait for his gate but he thought he knew better. He must have forgot that gates B4 & B6 were reversed or it was his 1st time at SLC. As it was the ramp I had no real control, but I was just trying to prevent what ended up happening.
Next time I have a bad day...I'll remember ground.
When I have a bad day, I remind myself of the famous and very good surgeon who performed one surgery where he caused a 300% mortality rate (not a typo - source: www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/time-me-gentlemen-the-fastest-surgeon-of-the-19th-century/264065/ ).
Puts my screwups into context for sure.
The animation is pure gold. The way the plane icons square up, stop, and pause is too good lol
What was that old song.... oh yeah.. "Shake down, Break down, you're busted!". Everything caught on either video or audio these days- have to watch yourselves!
Detroit's own "Rockin' Robert" Seger!
Woops! The rare mistake! Glad everyone stayed calm and worked the problem.
"Well boys, it was a good run here at the tower. See you when I see you. Bye"
Hahhahahaha your sense of humour reminds me of James Asquith YT videos...check them out!
Thank God it happened this way. Shows that Patience is a virtue. Glad everybody was on top of their game and paying attention during the ordeal. Sure a mistake was made and I’m sure it was a little irritating, but glad everybody was able to resolve the issue and these planes didn’t inadvertently crash into one another. It worked out in this case it could’ve been much worse. Thank God.
S*** happens everybody handled it pretty well that's what we're supposed to do when we are adults.
I can just hear the conversation on the ramp breakroom...
"anybody available to move a plane on the taxiway that is somehow stuck" ...
everybody "we are having lunch right now, but we can do it for Overtime"
sups ... well just go then...
2:55 - "in any ways you perform" should be "in any way, shape or form"
Tower: My bad!
Pilots: We got a number for you.
Couldn’t they just call a tug from the beginning??
Looked to me like the Envoy wanted a wing walker to use his reversers to back up a little.
He almost used them earlier, but not being able to see past the wings behind him is a huge risk he rightfully didn't want to take.