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- Episode 353 - D&D aficionado and all around cool guy Pat Kilbane (MadTV, Evolution, The Dreams in Gary's Basement, etc) shows up to discuss how faithful a few games are to the Dungeons & Dragons world while videogame aficionado and all around bore-fest Joe (Game Sack, etc) evaluates if they are decent videogames or not.
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wow.. Pat puts some real intellectual input in this video. He was a great addition to the format!
It's too bad he doesn't play or played many video games. He'd be an amazing co-host.. albeit I'd still miss Dave a bit. Hope he's doing well. 👍👍
He was one of my favorite Mad TV cast members too.
@@SomeOrangeCat Lol I thought I recognized him.
Dave Died! the chinese got him with their bat flu, evil commies.
Dave 😭
@@JonReid01 I know, right?. I thought he'd at least come back for a couple of episodes a year.
When Joe did the SNES video without him, I started losing hope.
Pat was one of the best performers on MadTV back in the day. It's awesome that he's a D&D fan.
I think a format like this has a lot of potential for Game Sack. You could bring in a tennis fan to help review different tennis games, bring in a local pro wrestler and have them check out wrestling games, maybe even talk with an author and have them review visual novels. There's always something interesting about something of an outsider perspective judging games based on their own priorities as enthusiasts.
I really wish I could bring on Craig Stadler.
@@GameSack I know this is a joke, but that could happen. Doesn't he live in Colorado?
@@GameSack it would have to be you, Dave, and Craig Stadler.
Top Hat Gaming Man is an ex Wrestler but he lives in the UK. It'd be an interesting cross over though.
@@GameSack are you trying to get it inside his?
Pool of Radiance on PC was my D&D game growing up. All of those “gold box” SSI games were classics back in the day!
Hidden gems
Is that a suggestion for Dungeons And Dragons Games 2? (wink at Joe and Pat!)
I was kind of surprised to not see Pool of Radiance NES port on the list. IIRC it lowered the difficulty a bit but was pretty fun for the time.
@@MicrofoneDC These aren't really hidden. If you're into CRPGs or D&D video games, these are absolute classics, and they actually sold very well back in the day.
Pat was Great! I hope he comes back if you do another episode of this
Or start a D&D centric channel!
Nah, have him review sports games
One of the funniest, most talented and versatile stars of MadTv in best seasons; he played so many zany, memorable characters!
Loved "Stan The Java Guy"!👍🙌
Probably not after he almost lost an eye in the ending sketch!
I didn't realize this was the same Pat Kilbane from MadTV. I've always thought back to his days on the show doing the Spishak bits. What an amazing show it was
Pat's grown up to become an actual wizard. And Joe's grown up to become an actual Joe. I like the arcade, side scrolling D&D games myself with the RPG elements. Plus, those games look great. Of course the drawing of the dragon looks excellent.
@Boco Corwin Quite the Joe.
Funny you should say that about Pat growing up to be a wizard because he reminds of a certain fictional marvel “wizard” or Sorcerer Supreme (Benedict’s Cumberbatch’s) Dr. Strange.
@@mansuru I wonder if he modeled some of his D&D wizards after Dr. Strange, too? If he even plays a wizard. But I'm partial to Dr. Fate if we're talking comics.
Did NOT expect to see Pat Kilbane of Mad TV
Yes, my brain had to catch up, first to realize it's not Dave, then figure out what familiar face was hiding under that sweet beard. Clicked in about 3 seconds. He... lookalike-a-man!
@@yittmashups What actor was he, was he in the Scrubs parody?
He was also in a earlier episode of GS. I think he and Joe are buddies from high school
The more we get from Madtv, the better humans we always are.
It was indeed Mordenkainen.
Finally a DnD episode!
Pat was a great guest, loved his insights
Joe, Pat is gold, man! Like you, he's well spoken, well informed, and a joy to listen to. I'd love to see him back for more in the future. Perhaps he could give his opinion on other DnD-esque games, games inspired by DnD, or really, whatever you'd both be happy collaborating on! Awesome stuff, both of you ^_^
Pat seems like a cool guy. I already know he is funny and now knowing that he likes D&D only confirms his coolness.
This must be one of your best episodes, it's fascinating to have an outsider perspective on these games.
'fascinating'... you must have a fulfilling life
Too bad they didn't bother covering the original Baldur's Gate series for home computers (1997-2000). Those games were BY FAR the best D&D licensed games EVER MADE, and 2nd place isn't even CLOSE... 😎
@@James28R🤡
No way! Pat Kilbane! I grew up with that cast from Madtv. So cool.
Welcome back, Pat! Thanks for bringing your extensive D&D knowledge to share with us!
Has he been on the show before?
@@douglasdeguzman7729 Wondering the same. I'm sure I've seen every GS episode and I don't remember his face...
@@Jesse__H He's been on before. Think of him having a flat top. You know who he is, right? From MAD TV?
Knowledge? He doesn't even recognise some of D&Ds oldest and biggest characters. I'd say my cat knows more than he does.
@@ryanfarmer4882 Nobody cares what you think.
It's weird to think that Yuzo Koshiro composed a first person dungeon crawler before Etrian Odyssey! Also, loving the use of Triangle Strategy music!
Not "weird" at all, since he did gate of labyrinth for sharp x1 way before
I need to buy Triangle Strategy.
Cool to see Pat again! Loved him on MAD!
Love the bottle of Mountain Dew just sitting on the table during the table top game.
Art Sack...great drawing. The end bit was one of your best, too.
Please do a part 2!!! There's so many more games to cover and I really enjoyed the reviews from different perspectives.
Such an awesome chill episode. Pat seems really friendly he was a great guest host.
It was truly refreshing to see Pat. What a great actor/comedian and guy. You guys were like peas and carrots, peanut butter and jelly, spaghetti and meatballs, chicken and waffles, pizza and beer...I like food and I love this channel. Keep up it Joe and be well my fellow gamers!
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Your drawing is excellent, Joe
It is a damn good drawing, Joe. I drew the T-800 from T2 with facial damage exposing the endoskeleton when I was in high school. Actually, it was the summer before I was in high school. It wasn't as good as your dragon though. Want to hang out and draw some stuff?
LOL I would if my drawing abilities were still good. I also drew the T800 around the same time I drew that dragon, but it was half face/half robot face kind of like one of the posters.
Would love to hear their take on the 90s Goldbox collection for MS-Dos and the original Baldur's Gate on PC. Thx for the video.
Most of the rather good D&D games were on PC. At least the ones that focused on the RPG aspects. Some of the games they feature on this episode were ports from DOS, Amiga, or PC. *Usually* the computer version was better due to graphics or controls, though Heroes of the Lance was bad in all versions.
Order of the Griffon was a hidden Goldbox game. Don’t listen to Joe’s take on it. Play it with an emulator. It’s actually very good.
PC games what are those? They don't exist in the alternate dimension Joe lives in.
Something to note about Shadow: certain levels have areas only-accessible with certain characters (such as that forest level having an upper area that you can only reach if someone plays the Elf, or in the Deep Caverns near the end with the Dwarf (which results in a rematch against Tel'Arin and a brainwashef Tel'Elorin)).
To add to this, certain actions can have effects on later parts of the game (saving the miniaturized people gives you access to their village for info and a shop, killing Tel'Arin and sparing Tel'Elorin skips the semifinal boss fight with Nagpa and his pets, and following the clues for the Mage's ultimate weapon allows a chance for all players to do a single attack that depletes half of the final boss' HP instantly). Plus, alternate versions of characters have different features (very easy to notice for Cleric, Elf, and Mage).
Hey, Joe has a co-host! Feels like the days of old with Joe & Dave (that was his name, right? Dave?)
RIP Dave
It was Applewhite. Or Dave. Can't remember. They sound so much alike.
I thought it was Bob Cornhole
@@mrdeatheli He's looking down at us from normie life.
Dave is the man who had the nice booty
Wow, D&D: Warriors of the Eternal Sun reminds me so much of Ultima 7. Mainly the weird perspective, but also the overall art style screams Ultima 7! And, well, then I see in the dungeons it's a bit like Eye of the Beholder. lol
The 4 players custom cabinet of dungeon and dragons was A-M-A-Z-I-N-G- .
Can't remember if was tower of something or Chronicles of mysteria...
Tower of Doom was the first arcade game, followed by Shadows Over Mystara. These were released as a compilation a few years ago on console & PC as Chronicles of Mystara.
@@Unregistered.HyperCam.2 I have the 2 games on ps3 and steam
@@Unregistered.HyperCam.2 please tell me my jockes are funny
@@MzuMzu-nx1em No
That was a really cool episode! As a casual D&D fan, I enjoyed Pat's insights. His inclusion in the end skit was the cherry on top.
Nothing quite like the awesomeness of a late Saturday night Game Sack episode...
Heroes of the Lance is a direct adaptation of the first modules in the Dragonlance series. I don't know that the system is AD&D, but it's a direct adaptation of an AD&D story.
Heroes of the Lance was based on the Dragonlance series [more specifically chronicles trilogy] by Margaret Wise and Tracey Hickman The Dragonlance series started as a D&D campaign so for those who read the books the game has some sort of visualization - but the game still sucked
I was about to post a similar message until I saw yours. Well said man
It kind of surprised me that Pat recognized the names of Flint and Sturm as TSR employees and not that the entire game was based on the books! I'm glad you gave this explanation, haha.
Yeah they were awful. It's better to play the Dragonlance trilogy that was part of the gold box series. They give you the rich story and lore with good turn based strategy combat and serviceable 1st person exploration for the time. Just keep in mind these games are 30+ years old and on pc.
I was also surprised they didn't mention the Dragonlance series when talking about Heroes of the Lance.
the Margaret Wise and Tracey Hickman books were awesome! 👍
Once I knew Joe was editing Pat's documentary, I secretly hoped something like this would happen. Glad to see a collaboration!
He's editing it, I'm doing sound and color (as well as a few other things). Pat is a great editor.
@@GameSack I have no doubt; he's given supporters of the project some great updates.
Great to see you both together enjoying some D&D in your own way . I thought Pat looked familiar and so I looked on my Wikipedia memory and yes I recognized him from Madtv while I lived in the US. That was before he became a wizard. (PS: The Wiki mentions this episode at the bottom but it has a typo on Dungeon as "Dungon" or something. Maybe a kind soul could fix that...)
Oh wow really? This episode is barely 2 hours old as I type this and it's already listed on his Wiki. Wow.
"When you think D&D, you think dance music"
*HELL YEAH!!!!*
Pat Kilbane! Weird, been listening to Will Sasso's podcast, Dudesy, and I've been wondering where some Mad TV alumni have been. Definitely was not expecting anyone to show up on Game Sack and have one of them talking about D&D on here. That's pretty cool.
Super random appearance
He’s actually been on GameSack before.
Wish I had read your comment earlier, couldn't remember where I've seen Pat before. It took me a couple hours then it popped up in my head. Mad TV!!!
He was also on the Bizarro Jerry episode of Seinfeld.
This was a real treat. I never thought Pat Kilbane would be such a big D&D guy, let alone such a thoughtful and articulate fan.
Loved him in Mad TV BTW
Great guest. Good idea!
Warriors of the Eternal Sun is my jam! So glad to see it right of the bat.
Pat speaks like a wizened D&D veteran that would be an honor to play with.
To those who are wondering why a D&D fan hasn't read the Dragonlance books and/or aren't familiar with the characters contained therein, that's kind of like wondering why a video game player isn't intimately familiar with the characters in Wreck It Ralph or that Adam Sandler Pac Man movie. D&D is a game that people play together. Dragonlance is a fictional work based (loosely?) on some of its rules/mythos/etc. The character names can still have the same origins as pondered about in this episode. Maybe we'll ask Flint Dille, but as you can imagine he's a busy guy and a tough man to get a hold of. But if it happens I'll update this comment.
I'm not sure that it is an accurate comparison to equate the books of Weis and Hickman to Wreck it Ralph, but that's just my opinion. I'm not a tabletop DnD player and their books/world building transcend the DnD realm.
@@bernomarkey Let me ask you this: Is it logical to assume that anyone who likes D&D (the game) is also familiar with the characters from a fictional book? I think it's an apt comparison.
@@GameSack it wasn't A book, it was multiple books that were quite popular. These characters also found their way into other licensed products such as the Spellfire CCG, cartoons and, as evidenced by your video, a video game on a major console.
@@bernomarkey That's great, but you completely avoided my question. And moreover, why can't their names have originated in the same way as pondered in this episode? It kind of makes the books irrelevant to the discussion if it's true. It's like me playing a GI Joe video game and choosing Flint. I wonder aloud if Flint was named after Flint Dille. People are bothered and say that NO Flint is from the cartoon/comic/toy/whatever. GI Joe Flint is still named after Flint Dille regardless. My hypothetical wondering would still be valid. It's basically the same thing here.
@@bernomarkey Being a fan of a game doesn't imply you want to consume its derivative media. I, for example, like the Pokémon games but don't give a shit about the anime.
So you finally get a guest co-host, and you smack him in the face?! What a good sport, haha
Wow Pat gave some amazing insight into so many aspects of the games I never thought about since my knowledge of D&D is very superficial. This needs to be a series!
I loved listening to Pat with all of his vast knowledge on D&D, he seems like a really cool dude and I really enjoyed him being on this episode. I knew Joe would pick the brawler game!! Haha never change Joe. Except stop bullying your guests! XD
Would really enjoy seeing more entries in this series. There are a TON of interesting D&D video games.
Honestly, I dig the knowledgeable new co-host.
Pat was great. Makes me smile when I see people older and younger than me show their love for gaming. Be it video games or tabletop or whatever, games rock.
Well, a game sack upload is a great way to wrap up my busy Saturday! Thanks joe!
I'm so proud to have a Game Sack t-shirt right now!
Wow, great video... Hope we see H. P. Lovecraft based games.
One thing I noticed retroactively with Warriors of the Eternal Sun, is that I think it may take place in the Hollow World setting. The monster selection, Aztec type bits and the always day part of it seem to point that way anyway.
Dark Aliance did a great job balancing action and the dnd setting into a kind of diablo esque experience.
I dont remember if it was a dnd branded game but there was at least one NES dungeon crawler similar to eye of the beholder that you could play with the 4 player adapter.
Yes, I think it must be based on Hollow World as well. I had the Hollow World campaign, but never anyone to play the tabletop game with. But I read all the lore about it and found the setting to be really interesting. Then a year or so later I got Warriors of the Eternal Sun, and realized during playing what it was about. It was so great to have a roundabout way to play Hollow World. And it was a great Genesis game that really felt like D&D to me!
Do the SSI Goldbox games in the next episode. I love Pools of Radiance.
Pat made a terrific addition to this video with specific genre insights. Very well done guys.
Nice dragon, Joe! Also really liked this co-hosted sack episode, please make it happen again someday soon.
Really cool dragon indeed!!
Pat is really informative with his D&D knowledge. Hope you can get him onto the show more often.
Ah the return of Pat Kilbane. I did enjoy him as a humor coach back in the day!
So glad to see Stan the java finally overcome his addiction to coffee. Hehe. Loved Pat , he was the best spishak spokesperson.
Ah yeah, starting off with Eternal Sun!
Good episode format to cover that one.
Always wanted to play “Eye of the Beholder” because it’s game engine is similar to an old favourite dungeon crawler “Dungeon Master” yes I know, original name!
Not exactly D&D it did have a similar feel. It always stuck out because the first level was called the hall of heroes. Along the walls had portraits of former heroes who attempted the dungeon before. Apparently you’re just a disembodied ghost because you select a party of four from these heroes. Then you travel down into the dungeon to stop some evil wizard. They do have classes but they’re more like skills that are ranked. This means each character can technically have all abilities if you level them enough. The spell system was a bit clunky. There was this box with symbols that changed when you clicked on them. This made a string of symbols that, in the right order, cast the spell you wanted. This made it feel like you were actually trying to cast a spell. If anything find out the light spell because yes the dungeon is dark and torches don’t last forever!
Anyways, this was a cool episode! Like always it’s always neat seeing what comes up next on Game Sack!
NO WAY PAT KILBANE!!!!! Holy crap this is amazing!
Pat was really good in MadTV. Super entertaining.
Having a boardgame player over a video game player is perfect. Thanks for your guest.
PAT WAS AWESOME, you two really do work as a great combo. You being more light hearted and comedic but on point on technical specs and him being down to earth and a calming/knowledgeable tone to contribute to the esthetics of the video. You should collab more often. (Sorry dave, we love you too but we need a co-host!)
I remember playing Eye of the Beholder years ago and actually, I liked the Sega CD version more than the original PC and the SNES versions. The game had sequels on PC and PC-98 as well, but those were never ported to consoles. Also, George Kamitani of Vanillaware was involved in the Capcom D&D beatemups as well.
Good to see Pat again! Nice that he came out of the forest to do the show.
The drawing of the dragon is pretty good, thanks for sharing it.
Disagree. Needs a beefy arm and consummate V's.
@@bbarrett726 TROGDOR!
Holy Crap! That’s Pat Kilbane. He’s hilarious, I love that guy. He’s been in a bunch of stuff but he was the Coffee Guy on Mad TV!!
You got Pat back? Nice.
Pat was a really interesting addition to this video! Always like to have different perspective on topics like this.
I think it's about time I started playing this. I've been putting it off for like 10 years of wondering.
Which one?
@@thingsiplay not Heroes of the Lance, one hopes.
Those squares at the end are just 2 Gilatinous Cube creatures fighting each other.
Good save!🤣😂🤣
Always look forward to a new Gamesack but a D&D one!? AWESOME.
Great to see Pat, here! What a fun episode! Great job, guys.
Just finished Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance last week and about to finish part 2.
I'm on my 3rd or 4th play through of BG dark alliance (PS5), got the 2nd game installed too but not finished with the 1st part until I unlock Drizz do' Urden.
Warriors of the Eternal Sun is one of my personal favorites on the Genesis. I wish there was more variety to the dungeons to explore and certainly a lot more one-time random encounters with unique enemies or NPCs. The swamp and jungle boil down to an empty map with one location - either a boss fight with a tribe of lizard men or a dungeon inside an Aztec-style pyramid. The last dungeon just throws every at you - drow, chimaeras, Medusae, dragons, mummies, vampires, and LOTS of magic users. Surprised they left out the displacer beasts and beholders, though. Maybe the sequel that never happened would have expanded on that - there was an option at the end to write down several passcodes to carry your party over to the next (planned) game.
3 Things: 1. This video slaps 2. Your drawing is awesome! 3. This collab is great!
Why is it assaulting people?
Wait, Pat Kilbane THE humor coach? He's back?! And a wizard?!!! Awesome.
We need more actors for the silly skits, Joe alone is great but another person to play off of is great!
Great to see Pat and his love of D&D. That ending was risky lol
i loved pat on MadTv! the coffee guy was my favorite character of his.
This level 35 wizard’s input throughout the video is invaluable
Cool episode. I liked the new concept of non-gamer pov.
All hail Game Sack day! Guest appearance episodes are always great. More great artwork too, I used to love drawing box artwork in the 80s and 90s
Holy shit, half a second in I thought that was Dave next to you. A second in I realized it was some other dude. A second and a half in I realized he looked familiar. 2 seconds in, it clicked. It's Pat from Mad TV back in the day! Very cool. Random, but very cool!
Pat's been on the show before!
Wow that was so awesome seeing Pat Kilbane on here !! Didn’t know he was such a knowledgeable D&D player !!! Great episode
Good and entertaining concept having an expert on the show
What a treat to see Pat return to the show! I think that one of Joe's biggest strengths as a presenter is (paradoxically) how willing he is to acknowledge his ignorance of some things that the show covers and having an expert co-host (especially one that is already part of the Game Sack Extended Universe) really brings this experience to the next level. Game Sack keeps surprising me even after so many years. Way to go!
Major tip for eye of the beholder on Sega cd: change to a different control method with the controller where you hold b and walk in all directions with d pad. It actually makes is more fluid and better than even with the mouse imo.
You really should play eob with kb and mouse to do sidestep shuffle. You can't just grind forever either in most places of eob games
Just finished watching this during my lunch hour break. Great job guys! Pat was a great guest presenter. He looks like Doctor Strange as well! 👍🏼👍🏼
I started with a text based Dungeons and Dragons. It went from there.
Dang, Pat Kilbane! I didn't recognize him at first, but now I remember him from his stint on MadTV!
Very cool guest, Joe.
Here is the new Dave!!!!
My favorite D&D based video game is Planescape: Torment. While the real-time combat isn't as classic D&D as Eye of the Beholder, it did a great job with the actual role-playing and story parts. It helps that Planescape is my favorite of the TSR settings.
Also, Pat Kilbane being back on an episode of Game Sack is awesome!
Enjoyed the contrasting analysis with this one, I’m not a D&D guy but I am an old games guy so found it very interesting. Fine work, gents 👊
Why does cd quality audio still sound so great still to this day. I LOVE the Sega CD audio.
How did Pat not recognize the characters from Hero’s of the Lance? They are the main characters from the Dragonlance novels and campaigns!
Probably he doesn't read the books, it's not that weird.
Kind of surprised Pat didn’t mention the lore ties both Warriors (Heroes?) of the Lance and the Baldur’s Gate: DA games have to the original tabletop RPG. The first title depicts the events (or rather, some) of the Dragonlance Chronicles, specifically the module and novel Dragons of the Autumn Twilight. This is proven by the party members (the only HotL they’re missing is the barnmaid-turned-fighter Tika Waylan, later Tika Marjere after she married Caramon) and the Blue Crystal Staff Goldmoon carries, which was the proof that the gods of Krynn were finally coming back (the staff is sacred to the goddess of healing Mishakel), and the Red Dragon Highlord Ariakas is the guy on the box art. Those characters should be fairly well-known to any old-school D&D player not only because of the popular novels, but because Krynn was the second (maybe third; not sure if it or the Forgotten Realms were added first) campaign world ever added to the D&D settings (the original being Gary Gygax’s Greyhawk), as the appropriately-titled Dragonlance series modules. These eight characters were created and used by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman’s D&D group originally, but were modified to use as the first central group for the setting’s novelizations.
As for Baldur’s Gate: Dark Alliance, the city name is all but legendary. This was the namesake for the best CRPG series ever made, as well as a major city in Ed Greenwood’s Forgotten Realms campaign setting, which has long since surpassed Greyhawk as the popular quintessential D&D world. Furthermore, upon completing Extreme Mode, you can play as Drizzt Do’Urden, who is THE most famous and popular D&D character ever created. He’s also available to unlock in Dark Alliance 2, and there the Extreme Mode unlockable character is his (former) nemesis, the assassin Artemis Entreri. This guy should also be familiar to any fan of the D&D FR novels.
Personally, my favorite D&D game is Forgotten Realms: Demon Stone. The standout point of this one is that the game’s script and characters were written by R.A. Salvatore, the best and most prolific author TSR/Wizards of the Coast ever hired for D&D settings novels and the creator of Drizzt, who actually joins the party in one mission. It’s a fun, fast-paced action game with RPG elements and a nice amount of lore. It’s a pretty straightforward title, but I spent sooo many hours with it. I’d love to get Game Sack’s opinion on it!
I've never been a D&D fan, although I love JRPGs, but Eye of the Beholder II on the Amiga had me hooked for months.
Empire of the Eternal Sun and Order of the Griffon have some of the most nostalgic music for me.
Warriors of the Eternal Sun was my introduction to D&D, used to play it a lot when i was little. I still think its the best game in the franchise.
Same with me! Absolute classic game and great music
Me too! Sadly, there was never a sequel. The ending strongly suggested one was coming, but I think that was around the time Wizards of the Coast took over?
Fun fact: Baldur’s Gate was the first retail PC game to sell 1 million copies. Though it wasn’t enough to save its publisher Interplay from bankruptcy.