Yes, they are. As a somewhat serious defense, once you beat Death mountain you are ready for the rest of the game and also, it makes sense as a progression of the story from the original game. Like, you go through Death Mountain in the original and are like...wow, that was hard. Then, you have to go back again and deal with it all over again.
"Try and defend death mountain." Okay! here's a conjecture to consider. I propose that this ball smacking hard levels early in the game were intended to be "weekend killers." Game developers weren't big fans of game rental, they didn't have any kind of rental agreement with places like Blockbuster, basically, the rental stores would buy the game once, then let other people play it for a fee. The developer got nothing but a single game purchase. The weekend killer, a crazy spike relatively early in the game would ensure that people playing rentals would not progress to the end, making it less popular to rent, while people who owned the game would presumably stay at it until they succeed. Remember these games were like, infinity money to buy, you didn't have these vast opportunities for cheap games like we do now, you'd buckle down and master death mountain, because damn it, mom isn't going to buy you another game till like, Christmas, and that's 8 whole months away!
And still the world record holder beat the hoverbike part blindfolded on a live stage in Sweden this year, it's impressive as fuck lol - Guy's called TMR, or The Mexican Runner
Jan I actually did this before TH-cam was a thing and my grandma could even make it to the snake level. When a friend and I beat Battletoads in college, the Internet didn’t even have accurate information on how it ends.
Jan TMR is great, and his commentary is hilarious. His run of Cuphead at AGDQ was great. And, as a Mexican myself, (although I'm sure it applies to anyone) I find his Spanish exclaimations when he's upset with something entertaining. No mames.
I love how with Aztec, you don't mention the fact that you have a good chance of dying within the first 10 seconds when you get assaulted by guards on both sides of the room
That cleffairy is actually just about as dangerous as Milktank, just not a physical wall so it can't take a well invested hit. But that metronome could end your day before it starts, say you're like "Ok, Whitneys up, lets bring out my rock Pokemon" and first thing Cleffairy does is hydro pump it...Strategy out the window.
*The way your videos are structured is like a nostalgia finger gently tickling my brain. I love your intro music, love the voice over, you get right down to it while showing video game clips, there's just something about this style of video game review. I love the Top 10 list format, I love the current and retro video game discussion. It's all like candy for my eyes. It reminds me of all my favorite TH-cam reviewers who sadly, don't make the same style of reviews that they used to. There's a 1000 people trying to do the whole "Video Game Reviewer" thing on TH-cam, but you, my friend, are one of the best. You nailed it.*
I realise that I probably sound like a bit of a twat but I never really had an issue with Death Mountain, my issue with the adventure of Link was the 2nd continent.
Whitney's Clefairy isn't something that you just IGNORE. It knows Metronome, so it can use any attack. It. Can use Sacred Fire, Aeroblast or any other ridiculously powerful move. If that Clefairy gets lucky, it can devastate your team.
The chest chases were amazing and the modern 2d games are insanely good in general, its just made for the players that played the old rayman games and grew as an audience probably, I love the really beautiful speedrunny pace and flow you got in the really late stages and especially music runs.. but yeah, some of the challenge maps were extreeeemely tough later on - but both games are must plays for old rayman fans
The worst part wasn't finishing it, but finishing it TWICE to get the coin, and the second time was even harder than the first, and you only had one life.
I would not consider the 3 green star trials a difficulty curve, for the reason being it's an extra. You don't need to do it, it's just a bonus from the real gameplay. A difficulty curve in my opinion is a spike in difficulty from the main game, because lots of bonus content is purposely made hard. Though if you're 100%ing the game then it sort of is.
+Great Great At the same time, that's the reason they're not higher on the list. I imagine Aztec Complex could even surpass Death Mountain if it were the final level rather than a bonus one.
@@cult_of_odin Unless you're just playing for the fun of it and don't care about the annoying or unfun side content. Or just playing for the story, if the game has one. Or you don't have the time to do everything and want to just get through the main content to say you did.
+leadergld LOL! Fair enough. I beat it but I admit I had to use the invincibility cheat. And even then I died like crazy on those stupid sky levels and The Machine.
Donkey Kong Country 2 holds a a special place in my heart because I grew up as a Disney movie-kid that never really cussed or swore like a sailor up until I got to MOTHERF**** WEB WOODS in that very game.
Does no one in the comment section understand what a fucking difficulty curve is? A hard level does not mean a sharp difficulty curve. A hard level after relative easy gameplay is a sharp difficulty curve. A good example of a sharp difficulty curve and a just plain hard part in one game would be Persona 4, with Shadow Yukiko and Shadow Mitsuo. Yukiko is not that difficulty a boss, but previously you barely needed strategy at all, and you haven't had time to build a strong Persona or two to fight bosses with. She's also only like 6 hours into the game. That's a sharp difficulty curve. Mitsuo is the toughest boss in the Persona series (I havn't played 1) and can not only utterly crush a team, but can create a gigantic 1400 health shield in two turns which causes him to constantly remove progress at a random rate. But this is a boss that not only appears I'd say 30 (Half way through the game, I cant remember when I fought him) or so hours into the game, and you've had ages to build a strong Persona or 2 that potentially could flatten him, as well as had to fight some fairly challenging bosses to reach him. He is not a sharp difficulty curve. He's just a very very hard boss.
Like the fucking Pier from Jak 2 *turns away to cry for a minute* The game was difficult, but it was about a 7 on a scale of 1-10, but the pier is a fucking 11!!!!!!!!!! WHERE IS THIS SHIT ON THIS LIST!!!!!
Mickspad Really? I found Jak 2 pathetically easy except for the very end of the game. I cant remember what this pier is tho, as I havn't played the game for like 4-5 years.
The pier is that level with the endless hoards of guards trying to get you while you have to make your way back into the city after picking up some device. I don't remember it too well, but I remember is being where I rage quit for the final time.
What about paranormal chaos from luigis mansion 2, the rest of the game is relatively easy if you know what you're doing, but paranormal chaos is extremely difficult, especially if its your first time and you don't know whats happening
I used a pen and paper, but yeah roght when possible is the trick. The trick for the lizard axe throwers is just to duck jump over the thrown axe and hit them in the face. You get enough level ups and magic bottles to not have to die.
My people, there is a webcomic I read which features a running gag of the protagonist and her childhood friend trying (and failing, a lot) to beat a Bland Name Version of BattleToads. It's 100% right in that regard.
This is like the most astounding video editing I’ve ever seen, this channel, I don’t know that much about video editing but there’s always like 40+ games in each video Jesus
I think the water elemental boss fight in Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex was quite high in comparison to the other fights and the generally easy feel of the basic levels.
How about that one level in Jak 2 where you have to make it through the docks and there are robotic cops coming at you with their ships from everywhere and shooting you? Getting to the end is very very very hard, it's defenetely a big difficulty curve into the game, and I think it deserved #3 or something close to that. After many tries I managed to get to the checkpoint by simply spamming the punch attack as it gives you some sort of boost and avoiding all of the cops, but I gotta say that's quite lucky and I made it with only 1 life bar left... Defenetely hard in my opinion, a lot harder than the rest of the game.
nicksurvives/NickSharpx I LOVE the Jak and Daxter games. I've played and beaten the first three. I've beaten the first and third more times than I can remember. Do you know how many times I've beaten the second one? Once. Fucking. Once. I've played it numerous times, but I've only beaten it one fucking time because it's just so damn hard. Good story, though, Naughty Dog is good at that kind of thing.
I wish content creators didn't make 30 second intros that consist of various gameplay footage and loud music with their name just etched over the top. apart from that this video was actually decent.
Every TH-camr nowadays has like their intro some god fucking epic song which is loud also the screen flashes and their name spins rapidly on screen. I'm gonna use my own intro as some calm song and the name simply showing up at some part of the screen.
Rusty Bucket Bay in Banjo-Kazooie at least has an explanation: It was initially destined for Banjo-Tooie, which was for some reason in development at the same time. Due to time constraints and programming difficulties, Glitter Gulch Mine was stripped from Banjo-Kazooie and replaced with Rusty Bucket Bay. This also explains why Glitter Gulch Mine is arguably an easier level than even Mayahem Temple, the first level on Banjo-Tooie.
That scene you showed in Jak II was my hell as a child and I’ve still never played the game past that bullshit. I even got the walkthrough and guidebook and all they said for that stage was pretty much git gud
Uhghhhghghg! That one part of Jak 2 you showed, with the hoverboarding on the uneven walkway, where you can't fall in the water or you die, where you can't run into anyone, or else you fall into the water and die, where you can't even try to fight or you die, where you can't make a wrong turn or else you're forced to fight... and die. It's the hardest part of the game, and it comes out of nowhere.
DEFINIELY agree with F-Zero and Rayman, but with Sonic, I think Carnival Night from Sonic 3 is a bigger difficulty spike. And it's not because of those spinning barrels, even without them the time is your worst enemy in that stage, as I've ran out of time on that A LOT.
Dafawfulizer ohhhhhhh I thought you were talking about one of the bosses that Roxas faced when you played as him, not Final Roxas XD sorry for the mishap I guess, I personally haven't completed KH2FM/FM+ yet. Back when I was really into KH, I beat the normal game (without dying) the first time I ever played it, which was on Normal, so I didn't remember him as a boss fight. But then I was replaying the game in FM+, but I kinda got burnt out of KH and never finished it. Also my controller got a bit messed up part of the way into FM+, so lost the urge to play it pretty quickly.
Whitney will forever haunt my nightmares, and they were able to make her even more TERRIBLE AND UNFORGIVING AND NOT FUN on Heart Gold/Soul Silver due to one thing: Attract. Unless you have an all female team or you have a female Pokemon that can take Miltank, you are pretty much boned. I dunno if I was unlucky or whatever, but whenever my Pokemon bacame infatuated, they would NEVER ATTACK IN ANY TURN EVER. Letting Miltank free to Rollover them over and over without taking damage ever.
Ukiby3000 You have not seen the true Hax God crap that she does in the Drayano ROM hack of HeartGold and SoulSilver, but even then Misty is more of a threat than her from what I hear in that ROM hack.
20:41 : That comment that you flashed for about half of a second is actually of a huge importance. As a kid, I did clear the 2nd palace before even finding out about death mountain (I don't recall, but there's a small chance I even cleared the 3rd one also), and the extra experience points made a HUGE difference. I can definitely imagine it to be "video game suicide" to go in there after the 1st palace!
You and I were much alike at 10 then. Only at 10 years old I had so much more time to practice and build my skills, to memorize the paths and to restart over and over after countless game overs. I don't have those privelages anymore, and since most gamers you associate with today are probably working class people like me and you, we don't have the time to build game specific skills anymore on top of games simply getting made easier. That's what happened to us. I can still do this, but it takes time. Time is something you have alot less of when you not 10 years old.
I overcame Death Mountain as 10 year old as well. It prepared me for games today like Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. Why can't so many today handle it? Well, they didn't go through the old-school NES boot camp some of us did, haha!
I am a huge souls fan. But I think it's safe to say now that dark souls at least is a wildly popular game. It just sat in the shadows and didn't catch on straight away so people didn't quite come to realize just how huge the game has become. March 11th I booked 3 days off work to crack into my DS2 Collectors edition. I'm expecting the servers to be swamped.
Well, 'this generation' is very used to having... what are they called.. oh yeah, checkpoints, so having to reset the entire game is kind of a turn off. Besides that, 'this generation's' hardest games are Super Meat Boy, Dark Souls, Binding of Isaac... actually Rogue-likes in general, VVVVVV, etc. Check these games out, and you'll find some similarities and some differences, the differences being... well, the entire game engine. Rogue-likes are played on a 2D plane, either top-down or facing the character, the later being the 'old school' perspective, like Mario and Zelda 2. These types of games, however, don't have checkpoints, if you die, you start back from square 1, the difference being is that you can buy upgrades for your character each time you die, and become more powerful as you go on. Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2 has a 3rd person perspective, and is played like an RPG. You start out incredibly weak, meaning just a few hits will kill you. It doesn't help that your starting weapons are weaker than the first sword and shield you find. Afterwards, as you get stronger, so do the enemies, the difference being they get moves like curse, which will almost always kill you. The bosses have an insane amount of HP, as well as cheap moves (the scaleless dragon, for instance). However,, there are frequent checkpoints that restore all of your HP and allows you to level up. After using one, enemies respawn, meaning you can grind and level almost indefinitely... if you have no life, that is. VVVVVV is a 'classic' platformer; 2D sidescrolling, with amazing music, might I add. You die in one hit, no matter what, but there are frequent checkpoints. Then look at Zelda 2's Death Mountain. No checkpoints anywhere. The enemies are extremely high leveled in comparison to you. Lava pits that instantly kill you. Enemies respawn if you leave, and considering dead ends are everywhere, you'll have to face them over and over and over. Just as well, you don't have any great items or magic during this part, and are relatively low level. Add that to what other people on this comment chain say, about the people playing them now having more important things to do than sitting in front of the screen for hours on end and having to work, people don't have the time or patience to play a game over from the start because of one level. After all, you completely reset from one death, unlike Rogue-likes. No saved weapons, no saved levels, nothing. This would have been annoying when it was first released, but now, where games have checkpoints and upgrades, people will get fairly annoyed of having wasted a few hours of their time. Add this to what RL said, and you see why your 'generation' has been able to do that, because, at 10, you had the time and patience to replay the game as many times as needed to beat that one level. Besides, if people get annoyed by a game, they could just play another from the mountains available, unlike the days of the NES.
I can confirm that the engine/gear/something room in Rusty Bucket Bay is a shitstain on an otherwise extraordinary game. I always hate it when I come to that particular section in Banjo Kazooie.
It does remind me of the first time I visited Grunty Industries in the second game. Vivid memories of getting every jiggy in every stage but only having one in GI because I had no idea how to enter the stage in the first place. You wanna talk difficulty curves? at LEAST RBB is at the end, GI is world 6 of 8, and you have to know you can call the train and need the train to get in there. And forget navigating that maze of a stage with the Washing machine. (though in fariness, RBB is significantly harder than Mad Monster Mansion, and funnily enough, you CAN at least do the engine room first and only have to do it once (a bit more for the few notes in there). Click Clock wood though...You die, just brutal of a punishment. XD (Always have 10 notes to go, just to fall off the top of the tree in Fall or Winter). Oh and also, Mr. Patch Boss fight. Not hard "damage" wise, but for the third boss in the game, he's a HUGE pain.
Mario Mastar I've gotten pretty good at RBB over the years so I can at least take a deep breath before I torture myself. GI though...ugh. Yes there were the days spent trying to figure out how to even get in but even inside it's just not fun at all. I've only every 100%'ed Banjo Tooie once and this level is one of the reasons why. *sigh*
Skeith804 Am I the only person who went through rusty bucket bay without a second glance at difficulty? I mean, I wasn't able to play it until it came out on xbox arcade, so they might have changed something.
Death Mountain is the area of the game that forces you to grind your levels before tackling dungeons 3-6. It also isn't the hardest Death Mountain in the franchise. (Zelda 1 Dungeon 9 was 'Death Mountain') Considering most jRPGs of the era and now give you a challenge that forces you to grind. This isn't any worse than Whitney.
Actually, Zelda didn't start out as a JRPG, the first few games like with Sonic were made in the U.S. and then migrated over to Japan where they got a whole lot lamer. And yeah, Death mountain on Link wasn't all that hard. Then again none of the stuff on this list is hard I can name a game that is almost identical to all of these whose difficulty curve is much much steeper.
IT IS WAY WORSE THAN WHITNEY. Whitney, if you had gotten an Onix or traded for the Machop that girl in the Department Store offers, was pretty easy. Those two had advantages over Miltank(Better tanking/Type Advantage). Death Mountain had a maze, enemies that don't give two shits about your only line of defense, and FUCKING LAVA PITS, MAN. Whitney was ranked low on the list because you had ways to bypass her being a pain in the ass. You get no such respect from Death Mountain. Death Mountain in the first one made sense, being the last dungeon. This hellhole was the SECOND. It buried an axe in your head, burned the body, pissed on the ashes, and told you your mother never loved you.
dayolpoi You mean you didn't map it? And Death Mountain in the first game made no sense at all with entire areas that has direction maps puzzles, and you had to visit it three different times before you could even do the dungeon there not to mention monsters that made no sense. In Link it was just a single puzzle and if you had the right gear an easy one as well, you needed nothing more than a candle, a sword, a piece of paper and a pen and you were done. Simple, easy, clean, only challenge I had in that game was in the one dungeon that had the hole too small for you to fit down into where you needed to go.
You have to take into account the age you were when you played these stages. If the trial galaxies gave you more trouble, I could probably guess you were younger when you first played them compared to when you played the second game. For some reason video games become easier with age.
Ummm Rainbow road? Anyone? Not hard anymore, but on your first times playing Rainbow road and hearing all the stories about how fucking hard it was, it had you screaming at your tv and causeed you to throw your wii remote at the screen. I hate Rainbow road, i would think that nintendo cursed it.
Because Rainbow Road on the Wii isn't shit. The original Rainbow Road is the one everyone talked about, the original is the one the you got carpal tunnel trying to beat.
ornstein and smough from dark souls should be on here but again dark souls is a bit of a recent game and most of these lists are 95% based on nostalgia
Monsoon from MGR:R is a pretty big difficulty spike if you've been neglecting parrying (like I'd been) That segment with the three Raptors in Rising is pretty bad as well.
try the souls series. bosses that can 1shot you if you've no idea how to counter, a story which is linear/part open, but they NEVER give hints, and newgame+ modes that multiply that by 1.5 each time
chobitsgnarlslover the slogan for the Souls series is "prepare to die". if you read that and expect ANY semblance of an easy time, that's your own damn fault
Dirha: I defend death mountain! Dirha 2: I think it's easy :D Dirha 3: DEATH MOUNTAIN IS THE SHIT WITH THE MAZES :3 Dirha 4: trololol hay guys this place is kinda hard :3 Dirha 1,2,3:
What about dark souls? In the very beginning you're trusted into a boss fight and without knowing how to properly play you're going to get smashed, then there's the rest of the game where if you aren't on your toes at all times utilizing all aspects of the game you're gonna have a very hard time
Some games come to mind: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 'Wrong Side of the Tracks' mission Timesplitters 3 When the developers ran out of good ideas at the end of the game and decides to throw invisible enemies at you.
Arthur Moebius I actually don't remember having difficulties first time I played it (like many years ago), but I got stuck at the E4 playing in an emulator in my phone because the mystery road pokes didn't help me grind exp :P
As this is an old video I know this wouldn't be on the list but the last section of Kirby Planet Robobobot has a huge difficulty spike. The entire game is rather easy as most Kirby games are but I went from finishing level first try to dying at least two times a level from some pretty strong mini-bosses that you fought back to back most of the time.
Why does everybody think Whitney's Miltank is difficult to beat? There isn't any "learning curve" be be learned. Every Pokemon trainer should already know if you gung-ho against a bulky Pokemon with zero strategy other than hitting it head-on, 9-out-of-10 times, you are going to get your ass whooped. All you need is an Onix that can use Screech three times and a Machop with Karate Chop. I took that cow out in one hit! If you want to put up a real worthy Pokemon game with a learning curve, put Generation V on the list before putting up a Miltank nobody prepares for.
I'd guess it's a noob bitch slap thing. It got me tons of times, but I actually can get past it regularly now. The big problem comes if you have issues getting a decent sp. attacker or a really good attacker.
Honestly Ultra Necrozma has since dethroned Whitney for biggest difficulty spike in Pokemon at this point, Ultra Necrozma is a level 60 when the strongest pokemon you've faced was level 50 (if you're on level with the game you're 10 levels or more below it), not only that but it has +1 in all of it's stats (accuracy and evasion being neutral) with the coverage to make it hit damn near everything for at least neutral damage. This isn't even taking into consideration that Ultra Necrozma has the 3rd highest base stat total of all Pokemon with it having a higher BST total than ARCEUS ITSELF. Ultra Necrozma makes Whiteny look like Diantha in terms of difficulty, and is a garbage fight because of how buillshit it is if you don't use cheap tactics. It's an absolutely unnecessary level spike for now good reason that the game doesn't get back to until the final battle of the main game. Seriously, in the same year that we got Slave Knight Gael, without a doubt one of the best boss fights of the DECADE so far (seriously the fight is that fucking good) GameFreak gives us Ultra Necrozma which does difficulty COMPLETELY wrong and makes the Bed of Chaos look like a decent boss.
It wasn't much of a power spike because it was only one pokemon, you could just poison him on the 1st turn and just wait for him to die while he wiped out your team. Heck, you could even bring a lvl 1 magnemite with sturdy to thunder wave it if Speed on your team is an issue and stomp it to death. If it were a team of lvl 60 pokemon, it would have truly been a power spike. Ultra Necrozma was just unexpected, not hard.
Ultra Necrozma was a decent boss for someone with a "standard" team. Everyone talks up the toxic approach but if you never loaded there's a chance you'll miss and die. For me, I just used a Mimikyu with Destiny Bond and let Ultra Necrozma kill it taking it down with me. Honestly, Pokémon isn't really a very challenging game if you do the research and think outside the box.
Freddy Williams idk I find aztec easy but I've spent perhaps 100 or so hours refining my run pretty much comes down to how much you play. I suck at pokemon games only one I ever finished was emerald lmao.
IDK, to be honest, I get kind of annoyed when something gets a reputation for being "insanely hard" when I don't think it is; so it's nice sometimes to see people fight against that reputation.
3xchrisx3 You have DDDs coming at you, strongest forward smash (minus max aura Lucario) and strongest uncharged projectile (gordos). It's the only single player event I haven't gotten the award for. What about Space Travelers?
MisterMarioKart oh no I know. I've completed it on easy but couldn't and didn't try too many times to get a better rank. I know you're supposed to swallow the food so it heals more but it's so slow and rng is a bitch. Can't remember which one that one. Been a while since I've done trials on melee without master hand speed running them :b
3xchrisx3 I did too, I tried so many times on hard, but I saw that the bread heals 15%. Space Travelers is where you play as Ness against Samus, Kirby, Fox, Falcon, and Falco in that order. The latter two are on Battlefield and the former three are on Fourside.
+MisterMarioKart I'm pretty sure Melee's The Final Showdown is the true difficulty spike out of most of the Smash games. I was at least able to beat Space Travelers. Had to use the Master Hand glitch to beat Final Showdown so I could unlock FD.
Not quite the same thing. The initial challenge is to understand the mechanics of the game and how to actually control it. The gameplay isn't actually that difficult... well... depending on how much death spawned in the area where you settled down.
5:15 I actually found the Eggmanland Day Stage from Sonic Unleashed (Wii version, at least) to be a huge difficulty spike. Throughout the games, the day stages were joyrides, only getting difficult if you go for the S ranks. Then you reach Eggmanland and a day stage that's out for your head on a silver platter. And then you go Werehog and the game just goes back to that mode's difficulty curve, which is much easier even by this point.
dwarf fortress doesn't have a difficulty curve though. It starts hard, dense and confusing, and stays hard dense and confusing right up to the bit that you die. Difficulty curve's really only exist in games with levels or a clear sense of progression.
Pihutihutihutijay Generaly I'm agree with your comment, but I think I can point at "difficulty spikes" of DF. Let's assume I know what I'm doing in this game. There several difficulty spikes that can actually occur. For me they are simmilar to bosses in normal games, even though DF bosses don't have body for the most part, so to speak: 1) One of your dwarfs got strange mood and made your first artefact. This results in high fortress value, that results in interest of goblins, that would suddenly increase their attack power. 2) you got into the caves, and now you have either whole bunch of spiders to worry about or bloody forgotten beast. 3) tantrum spiral. If you ever had one, you know what I speak of. You have to fight your own people, most likely loosing several to it. Hopefully those aren't important crafters, then it's really spikey. 4) you struck through adamantine tube and "Horrifying screams come from the darkness below" if you don't plan for it, all your dwarfs are inevitably gonna die soon. It's pretty much Mines of moria from Lord of the Rings film situation. DF is pretty much stradegy-roguelike, your survivability depends only on how well you prepared for diffrent challenges of this game, be prepaired and this game is pretty chill. Know nothing about it and have "FUN".
the only thing i'll add is that the difficulty spikes are pretty inconsistent. sometimes a titan with a thousand mouths and iron skin appears and wrecks your fort. other times he gets into a wrestling match with a passing moose and dodges into a ravine.
No he has not heard of DF. I’ve been playing it for years and still can’t figure out how to make a reasonable defense. And that’s after getting past all the hurdles of basic job structures fortress value balance. This guy doesn’t know what it’s like to be 100 hrs in and finally realize the anvil came before the ingot.
+eiriseven True, but he's talking about the spike in difficulty from one level to another. So would you say the difficulty upgrade from level 5 to level 6 is greater than from level 6 to level 7?
well hating slow speed isnt Difficulty Curve... why not put something new but more appropriate for such list like Predator concrete jungle? Most thing's on the list arent Difficulty Curves... more like bugs or annoying game mechanics ...
Kristaps Rieznieks I enjoyed the goldeneye one as a speed runner for the game I can tell who ever was playing in the footage shown is new to the game lol their movment was horribly and understanding of the level was awful. Only real tricky but of aztec is the head shots on Jews and even that's not too bad with some practice.
From the moment I saw the title, I knew that Rusty Bucket Bay would be here, and that jiggy would be called out. What made it all the more annoying was that in the original release, you didn't keep your notes if you died. It had a scoring system, which meant that if you got 99/100, but then died, but you wanted the full 100, you had to get those 99 all over again. One wrong move in the engine room, too long underwater, or too slow to get out from behind the propellors when you collected the jiggy and you were oily toast.
harshest curve ive seen was in skyrim. during your first trip up high hrothgar really early on in the main quest (ignoring the fact you have to run through miles of wilderness just to get there at that point, as no fast travel locations are even close) you encounter one of skyrim's deadliest enemies, the frost troll. my first playthrough was as a melee type, and this guy tossed me around like a ragdoll. after two or three tries, i thought i lucked out. after once again climbing the mountain and fighting of skeevers, wolves, and spiders, i come face to face with a dragon. this comes right after your first dragon fight, and as a noob in iron armor i see dragons as the ultimate of baddies. but this badass lizard isn't after me, his killing that troll for me! huzzah! then the troll immediately wrecks the dragons face, and even being weakened by the dragon, tears me up once more. if you ever play skyrim for the first time after reading this, take my advise, do NOT do the main quest first.
No, just no. Skyrim has absolutely no place on this list. You could argue one of the earlier elder scrolls games back when decent game design, objectives systems and a sensible difficulty curve was a luxury to have.
#2 and #1 should have been swapped. Most people I know who played Zelda II eventually got through the massive clusterfuck that is Death Mountain. Almost nobody I know ever beat goddamn Turbo Tunnel without emulator savestates.
+stripedhyenuh The thing is, Battletoads was already really difficult. Zelda 2 was not as difficult, so think of it like this: On a difficulty meter out of 10: Battletoads went from 9 to 100. Zelda 2 went from 5 to 98. Zelda 2 is still a bigger spike, despite landing on a lower difficulty.
+minecraftportall337 but it goes on battle toads from 9-100 in turbo tunnel, then it only increases from there and on top of that, there's more turbo tunnel near the end and it's much MUCH harder. On top of that you only have 3 lives. I don't think anyone can beat that game without cheating.
One: This is an older video. Two: Its not just Nintendo game on here, you moron. Clearly you didn't watch the video completely through. Three: If you don't like Nintendo stuff, too bad. Its everywhere, get used to it.
3:28 the part about Whitney I hate the most; ghost types get hurt, so I can't just send out Oni (a Ghastly) and use hypnosis, then switch back to Cyndaquil, or Quilava if I've actually let him evolve by then
How about the Womb levels in The Binding of Isaac? After you beat Mom in the Depths, the game suddenly turns fucking brutal, as each hit now takes not half a heart like before, but a FULL FUCKING HEART!!! Granted, the difficulty depends on what items you've gotten up to that point, but if you don't have a lot of health upgrades or soul hearts, you're going to have a really bad time... The Necropolis levels from Wrath of the Lamb could also be put on here, as they have some of the cheapest enemies I've ever seen, enemies made specifically to whittle you down to nothing! Those jumpers that can leap into the air and land on you, the spikes that charge at you when you get in their path, those goddamn knights that can only be attacked from behind, but turn on a dime when you try to slip behind them, those FUCKING MASKS!!! And if you get the Mask of Infamy as the first boss in the Necropolis, then prepare to swear at your computer for a very long time as that fucking prick keeps trolling you while you try to hit her weak spot! Like the Womb, the difficulty isn't too bad if you got plenty of powerful items and health upgrades before, but you're going to learn to hate the Necropolis most of the time...
James Ryan Just ignore the haters, it's just cause they can't think enough to figure out how to play, it requires too much thinking for them in other words, shooters are easy, need no strategy, and require only the ability to move 2 anolog sticks and press one button to be a great first person shooter gamer...that and haters like that are just attention seekers who can't respect others opinions. It's just cause people are scared to have a different opinion these days and if they find someone with another opinion they have to pick on them, degrade them, humiliate them so they can feel better themself! The exact opposite of what I do...I'm going to use bronies as an example, I may not like MLP in any way possible (even though I can't find anything bad with it per say...other than the cheesy lines...though I watch the Pokémon TV show so that doesn't bother me) but I can respect the fact they like it and they do bring up good points in their reviews but I don't hate on them and I'm even friends with some bronies...Still...haters gonna hate, in short, flag, ignore, forget.
I agree completely on Rusty Bucket Bay - the first seven levels are less about platforming and more about well-prepared exploration. Rusty Bucket Bay and Click Clock Wood are just plain hard, and they're my favourite levels in the game.
"I dare anyone to defend Death Mountain"
I dunno, Rabbid...those enemies seem to be doing a really good job of defending Death Mountain...
Thesaurus Rex and go right
Yes, they are.
As a somewhat serious defense, once you beat Death mountain you are ready for the rest of the game and also, it makes sense as a progression of the story from the original game.
Like, you go through Death Mountain in the original and are like...wow, that was hard. Then, you have to go back again and deal with it all over again.
I just did.
Dare anyone to try defend death mountain he said
that is genius sir
"Try and defend death mountain." Okay! here's a conjecture to consider. I propose that this ball smacking hard levels early in the game were intended to be "weekend killers." Game developers weren't big fans of game rental, they didn't have any kind of rental agreement with places like Blockbuster, basically, the rental stores would buy the game once, then let other people play it for a fee. The developer got nothing but a single game purchase. The weekend killer, a crazy spike relatively early in the game would ensure that people playing rentals would not progress to the end, making it less popular to rent, while people who owned the game would presumably stay at it until they succeed. Remember these games were like, infinity money to buy, you didn't have these vast opportunities for cheap games like we do now, you'd buckle down and master death mountain, because damn it, mom isn't going to buy you another game till like, Christmas, and that's 8 whole months away!
Way underrated comment, LOL.
That really makes sense.
Oh hell yeah!
That's so interesting! Is it a confirmed part of game history or just a super-smart theory?
Holy shit. That's a very interesting look at it. Never considered that till reading this. But yeah, we take games for granted nowadays.
"Mario games are like a switch"
That's a pun of the future dear sir.
"Battle toads is as hard as Sonic 06 is glitchy"
*MY GOD*
And still the world record holder beat the hoverbike part blindfolded on a live stage in Sweden this year, it's impressive as fuck lol - Guy's called TMR, or The Mexican Runner
Jan I actually did this before TH-cam was a thing and my grandma could even make it to the snake level. When a friend and I beat Battletoads in college, the Internet didn’t even have accurate information on how it ends.
Jan TMR is great, and his commentary is hilarious. His run of Cuphead at AGDQ was great. And, as a Mexican myself, (although I'm sure it applies to anyone) I find his Spanish exclaimations when he's upset with something entertaining. No mames.
It’s not though. lol
The Great Majora I imagine that replacing 06 with Boom is going to be more accurate
I love how with Aztec, you don't mention the fact that you have a good chance of dying within the first 10 seconds when you get assaulted by guards on both sides of the room
I’d honest to God rather die immediately than all the way at the end of the level.
why would i defend death mountain if the enemies are allready doing it for me?
That cleffairy is actually just about as dangerous as Milktank, just not a physical wall so it can't take a well invested hit. But that metronome could end your day before it starts, say you're like "Ok, Whitneys up, lets bring out my rock Pokemon" and first thing Cleffairy does is hydro pump it...Strategy out the window.
*The way your videos are structured is like a nostalgia finger gently tickling my brain. I love your intro music, love the voice over, you get right down to it while showing video game clips, there's just something about this style of video game review. I love the Top 10 list format, I love the current and retro video game discussion. It's all like candy for my eyes. It reminds me of all my favorite TH-cam reviewers who sadly, don't make the same style of reviews that they used to. There's a 1000 people trying to do the whole "Video Game Reviewer" thing on TH-cam, but you, my friend, are one of the best. You nailed it.*
+Think Before You Type I see what you did there
Think Before You Type badum tsss
Death Mountain. . . it was well named?
Seems that way.
Pretty much nailed in the nail of unfairness pass the limits of the frustration board
I realise that I probably sound like a bit of a twat but I never really had an issue with Death Mountain, my issue with the adventure of Link was the 2nd continent.
Adam Aus87
Nah, there's always one.
Adam Aus87 me either
Whitney's Clefairy isn't something that you just IGNORE. It knows Metronome, so it can use any attack. It. Can use Sacred Fire, Aeroblast or any other ridiculously powerful move. If that Clefairy gets lucky, it can devastate your team.
"Difficulty in Nintendo games is like a switch"
Oh how you didn't know that your statement here was 4 years ahead of it's time.
2nd level in The Lion King for the SNES. I think it's for sega genesis too
Hells yes. That level is hard as fuck.
bob Says You're crazy. To this day, the Genesis version of the level still gives me trouble.
It's not hard, just really, really long and annoying. If you know what you're doing you can rush through the level no problem.
That was a memory challenge.
I finally beat the game after years and years of practice and trouble...
On easy mode. Fucking hell
The chest chases were amazing and the modern 2d games are insanely good in general, its just made for the players that played the old rayman games and grew as an audience probably, I love the really beautiful speedrunny pace and flow you got in the really late stages and especially music runs.. but yeah, some of the challenge maps were extreeeemely tough later on - but both games are must plays for old rayman fans
My worst was when I had to play the original donkey Kong in DK64
The worst part wasn't finishing it, but finishing it TWICE to get the coin, and the second time was even harder than the first, and you only had one life.
"Up next, we got the CARPAL Tunnel of Love." - RabbidLuigi.
I would not consider the 3 green star trials a difficulty curve, for the reason being it's an extra. You don't need to do it, it's just a bonus from the real gameplay. A difficulty curve in my opinion is a spike in difficulty from the main game, because lots of bonus content is purposely made hard. Though if you're 100%ing the game then it sort of is.
+Great Great Note, quiet a few of levels are optional.
+Great Great At the same time, that's the reason they're not higher on the list. I imagine Aztec Complex could even surpass Death Mountain if it were the final level rather than a bonus one.
If your not going 100% you are doing it wrong.
@@cult_of_odin Unless you're just playing for the fun of it and don't care about the annoying or unfun side content. Or just playing for the story, if the game has one. Or you don't have the time to do everything and want to just get through the main content to say you did.
"I ain't doin' anymore stupid-ass climbing"
-Rabbidluigi 2013
How is Ecco the Dolphin not on this list??
+Amelia Bee I'm convinced they didn't even bother programming a level after the octopus, knowing no one would ever make it there.
+leadergld LOL! Fair enough. I beat it but I admit I had to use the invincibility cheat. And even then I died like crazy on those stupid sky levels and The Machine.
Maybe the dude didn't play it yet
it's a difficulty SPIKE. Echo was just difficult.
OMIGAWD I HAD THIS GAME FOR DREAMCAST. I NEVER EVEN FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET PASSED THE THIRD AREA.
Rabid, you rival JonTron in levels of great game reviews/top 10's. Keep going.
Not to fucking mention that Meat Circus was actually TONED DOWN because it was so hard. And it was stilllllll ruthless!!!!
Donkey Kong Country 2 holds a a special place in my heart because I grew up as a Disney movie-kid that never really cussed or swore like a sailor up until I got to MOTHERF**** WEB WOODS in that very game.
Does no one in the comment section understand what a fucking difficulty curve is? A hard level does not mean a sharp difficulty curve. A hard level after relative easy gameplay is a sharp difficulty curve.
A good example of a sharp difficulty curve and a just plain hard part in one game would be Persona 4, with Shadow Yukiko and Shadow Mitsuo.
Yukiko is not that difficulty a boss, but previously you barely needed strategy at all, and you haven't had time to build a strong Persona or two to fight bosses with. She's also only like 6 hours into the game. That's a sharp difficulty curve.
Mitsuo is the toughest boss in the Persona series (I havn't played 1) and can not only utterly crush a team, but can create a gigantic 1400 health shield in two turns which causes him to constantly remove progress at a random rate. But this is a boss that not only appears I'd say 30 (Half way through the game, I cant remember when I fought him) or so hours into the game, and you've had ages to build a strong Persona or 2 that potentially could flatten him, as well as had to fight some fairly challenging bosses to reach him.
He is not a sharp difficulty curve. He's just a very very hard boss.
Like the fucking Pier from Jak 2 *turns away to cry for a minute* The game was difficult, but it was about a 7 on a scale of 1-10, but the pier is a fucking 11!!!!!!!!!! WHERE IS THIS SHIT ON THIS LIST!!!!!
Mickspad Really? I found Jak 2 pathetically easy except for the very end of the game. I cant remember what this pier is tho, as I havn't played the game for like 4-5 years.
The pier is that level with the endless hoards of guards trying to get you while you have to make your way back into the city after picking up some device. I don't remember it too well, but I remember is being where I rage quit for the final time.
Rainbow Dashtruction I remember crash bandicoot and the road to nowhere level. go from 28 lives to 0 in no time.
What about paranormal chaos from luigis mansion 2, the rest of the game is relatively easy if you know what you're doing, but paranormal chaos is extremely difficult, especially if its your first time and you don't know whats happening
That stupid sewer with the rising water in the original Ratchet & Clank.
I still have PTSD from that section in Rilgar...
Ratchet and Clank in general had some _really_ big difficulty spikes.
I got lucky with Death Mountain. My first instinct was "Go right when possible" and that pretty much does it.
I used a pen and paper, but yeah roght when possible is the trick. The trick for the lizard axe throwers is just to duck jump over the thrown axe and hit them in the face. You get enough level ups and magic bottles to not have to die.
Exactly lol. Like only 3 or 4 zones and you're there
"I beat battletoads in one try" said no one ever
I gave up on Battletoads, turbo tunnel claimed another victim
Same. We rented it back in the day and never got through to the end of this level.
My people, there is a webcomic I read which features a running gag of the protagonist and her childhood friend trying (and failing, a lot) to beat a Bland Name Version of BattleToads. It's 100% right in that regard.
Monster Hunter - Sooner or later you hit a brick wall and think to yourself "What the fuck happened"
For me that was trying to trap that damn blue bear. I try to place a trap or heal, and it charges me during the animation and wrecks everything.
Now I'm gonna be honest here. If you are saying that capturing Arzuros was a difficulty spike...
Well good luck
Eelektreigon To be fair here , if its your first MH then yes , arzuros would be a spike.
=D
Just when I feel like I'm getting into the game, it throws that behemoth at me and tells me to take it alive. Not a chance.
Green Plesioth or Blue Kut Ku, pick your poison.
This is like the most astounding video editing I’ve ever seen, this channel, I don’t know that much about video editing but there’s always like 40+ games in each video Jesus
I think the water elemental boss fight in Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex was quite high in comparison to the other fights and the generally easy feel of the basic levels.
How about that one level in Jak 2 where you have to make it through the docks and there are robotic cops coming at you with their ships from everywhere and shooting you? Getting to the end is very very very hard, it's defenetely a big difficulty curve into the game, and I think it deserved #3 or something close to that.
After many tries I managed to get to the checkpoint by simply spamming the punch attack as it gives you some sort of boost and avoiding all of the cops, but I gotta say that's quite lucky and I made it with only 1 life bar left...
Defenetely hard in my opinion, a lot harder than the rest of the game.
Yeah, it took me like 2 days and then I figured out that other would've worked on the internet..
xD, yeah cause even playing it safe and what not, it's hardly possible!
Yes.. Actually the class races are quite easy if you use the shortcuts, there are other bullshit missions later in the game (at about 70%)
Yeah, I have to agree. Most of the times even a little fail could cost the victory, which can get annoying quite easily...
nicksurvives/NickSharpx I LOVE the Jak and Daxter games. I've played and beaten the first three. I've beaten the first and third more times than I can remember. Do you know how many times I've beaten the second one? Once. Fucking. Once. I've played it numerous times, but I've only beaten it one fucking time because it's just so damn hard. Good story, though, Naughty Dog is good at that kind of thing.
I wish content creators didn't make 30 second intros that consist of various gameplay footage and loud music with their name just etched over the top.
apart from that this video was actually decent.
He fixed that recently.
Every TH-camr nowadays has like their intro some god fucking epic song which is loud also the screen flashes and their name spins rapidly on screen. I'm gonna use my own intro as some calm song and the name simply showing up at some part of the screen.
Rusty Bucket Bay in Banjo-Kazooie at least has an explanation: It was initially destined for Banjo-Tooie, which was for some reason in development at the same time. Due to time constraints and programming difficulties, Glitter Gulch Mine was stripped from Banjo-Kazooie and replaced with Rusty Bucket Bay. This also explains why Glitter Gulch Mine is arguably an easier level than even Mayahem Temple, the first level on Banjo-Tooie.
That scene you showed in Jak II was my hell as a child and I’ve still never played the game past that bullshit. I even got the walkthrough and guidebook and all they said for that stage was pretty much git gud
Uhghhhghghg! That one part of Jak 2 you showed, with the hoverboarding on the uneven walkway, where you can't fall in the water or you die, where you can't run into anyone, or else you fall into the water and die, where you can't even try to fight or you die, where you can't make a wrong turn or else you're forced to fight... and die. It's the hardest part of the game, and it comes out of nowhere.
Don't remind me
DEFINIELY agree with F-Zero and Rayman, but with Sonic, I think Carnival Night from Sonic 3 is a bigger difficulty spike. And it's not because of those spinning barrels, even without them the time is your worst enemy in that stage, as I've ran out of time on that A LOT.
The barrel is not a difficulty curve. Its a lack of instructions about how to play the game.
I was playing through psyconaughts recently and the meat circus stopped me in my tracks.... Still need to go back and finish it haha
I respect your opinions to the extent of subscription.
Why can't more people like you exist???
*tips fedora*
Nice meme, m'gentlesir
...How trite of you to use something so incredibly rude in the presence of something that was once decent. Shame on you, Rodger.
Dante Martin I concur. That was incredibly rude of him. Oh, pardon me, IT.
Dante Martin Mr. Phoenix Trite.
XD
5:05 he went from a British guy to a freaking mafia crime boss in about 5 seconds.
Lol
Boost Guardian in Metroid Prime 2:echoes
Spider guardian
Much easier on wii
Why are Jaws and Oddjob even in the GoldenEye game? They weren't in the movie.
I honestly think one of the worst is Roxas from kingdom hearts 2 final mix
I hear that!
Dafawfulizer how...?
Wyatt James He's way harder than all of the other bosses in the game. The only one that came close was deminx
Dafawfulizer ohhhhhhh I thought you were talking about one of the bosses that Roxas faced when you played as him, not Final Roxas XD
sorry for the mishap I guess, I personally haven't completed KH2FM/FM+ yet. Back when I was really into KH, I beat the normal game (without dying) the first time I ever played it, which was on Normal, so I didn't remember him as a boss fight. But then I was replaying the game in FM+, but I kinda got burnt out of KH and never finished it. Also my controller got a bit messed up part of the way into FM+, so lost the urge to play it pretty quickly.
Wyatt James From what I understand, he was only a boss in final mix. In the original the fight was just a cutscene
i would have thought that a water temple would have made it
Whitney will forever haunt my nightmares, and they were able to make her even more TERRIBLE AND UNFORGIVING AND NOT FUN on Heart Gold/Soul Silver due to one thing: Attract.
Unless you have an all female team or you have a female Pokemon that can take Miltank, you are pretty much boned. I dunno if I was unlucky or whatever, but whenever my Pokemon bacame infatuated, they would NEVER ATTACK IN ANY TURN EVER. Letting Miltank free to Rollover them over and over without taking damage ever.
The Milk Drink burden......
UUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGG!
Ukiby3000 You have not seen the true Hax God crap that she does in the Drayano ROM hack of HeartGold and SoulSilver, but even then Misty is more of a threat than her from what I hear in that ROM hack.
Ukiby3000 Claire was worse in my opinion. She has a Kindra, which only weakness is dragon, a type that you do not have
I had no trouble with SS Whitney. Sure, it took a while, but I did it first try. Using Metronome.
Ukiby3000 my starter was a female XD
I still come back to this vid after 8 years
RPGs (in general) the climb from "Main Game" too "Post Game"
You didn't mention that the Miltank both paralyzes and attracts you, so that you have a 1 in 4 chance of actually attacking.
21:23 My eyes......
20:41 : That comment that you flashed for about half of a second is actually of a huge importance. As a kid, I did clear the 2nd palace before even finding out about death mountain (I don't recall, but there's a small chance I even cleared the 3rd one also), and the extra experience points made a HUGE difference. I can definitely imagine it to be "video game suicide" to go in there after the 1st palace!
I made Death mountain my bitch when I was 10 years old. What is this generation's excuse?
You and I were much alike at 10 then. Only at 10 years old I had so much more time to practice and build my skills, to memorize the paths and to restart over and over after countless game overs. I don't have those privelages anymore, and since most gamers you associate with today are probably working class people like me and you, we don't have the time to build game specific skills anymore on top of games simply getting made easier. That's what happened to us. I can still do this, but it takes time. Time is something you have alot less of when you not 10 years old.
Torturing children is frowned upon nowadays. :p
I overcame Death Mountain as 10 year old as well. It prepared me for games today like Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. Why can't so many today handle it? Well, they didn't go through the old-school NES boot camp some of us did, haha!
I am a huge souls fan. But I think it's safe to say now that dark souls at least is a wildly popular game. It just sat in the shadows and didn't catch on straight away so people didn't quite come to realize just how huge the game has become. March 11th I booked 3 days off work to crack into my DS2 Collectors edition. I'm expecting the servers to be swamped.
Well, 'this generation' is very used to having... what are they called.. oh yeah, checkpoints, so having to reset the entire game is kind of a turn off. Besides that, 'this generation's' hardest games are Super Meat Boy, Dark Souls, Binding of Isaac... actually Rogue-likes in general, VVVVVV, etc. Check these games out, and you'll find some similarities and some differences, the differences being... well, the entire game engine. Rogue-likes are played on a 2D plane, either top-down or facing the character, the later being the 'old school' perspective, like Mario and Zelda 2. These types of games, however, don't have checkpoints, if you die, you start back from square 1, the difference being is that you can buy upgrades for your character each time you die, and become more powerful as you go on. Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2 has a 3rd person perspective, and is played like an RPG. You start out incredibly weak, meaning just a few hits will kill you. It doesn't help that your starting weapons are weaker than the first sword and shield you find. Afterwards, as you get stronger, so do the enemies, the difference being they get moves like curse, which will almost always kill you. The bosses have an insane amount of HP, as well as cheap moves (the scaleless dragon, for instance). However,, there are frequent checkpoints that restore all of your HP and allows you to level up. After using one, enemies respawn, meaning you can grind and level almost indefinitely... if you have no life, that is. VVVVVV is a 'classic' platformer; 2D sidescrolling, with amazing music, might I add. You die in one hit, no matter what, but there are frequent checkpoints.
Then look at Zelda 2's Death Mountain. No checkpoints anywhere. The enemies are extremely high leveled in comparison to you. Lava pits that instantly kill you. Enemies respawn if you leave, and considering dead ends are everywhere, you'll have to face them over and over and over. Just as well, you don't have any great items or magic during this part, and are relatively low level. Add that to what other people on this comment chain say, about the people playing them now having more important things to do than sitting in front of the screen for hours on end and having to work, people don't have the time or patience to play a game over from the start because of one level. After all, you completely reset from one death, unlike Rogue-likes. No saved weapons, no saved levels, nothing. This would have been annoying when it was first released, but now, where games have checkpoints and upgrades, people will get fairly annoyed of having wasted a few hours of their time. Add this to what RL said, and you see why your 'generation' has been able to do that, because, at 10, you had the time and patience to replay the game as many times as needed to beat that one level. Besides, if people get annoyed by a game, they could just play another from the mountains available, unlike the days of the NES.
I can confirm that the engine/gear/something room in Rusty Bucket Bay is a shitstain on an otherwise extraordinary game. I always hate it when I come to that particular section in Banjo Kazooie.
It does remind me of the first time I visited Grunty Industries in the second game. Vivid memories of getting every jiggy in every stage but only having one in GI because I had no idea how to enter the stage in the first place. You wanna talk difficulty curves? at LEAST RBB is at the end, GI is world 6 of 8, and you have to know you can call the train and need the train to get in there. And forget navigating that maze of a stage with the Washing machine. (though in fariness, RBB is significantly harder than Mad Monster Mansion, and funnily enough, you CAN at least do the engine room first and only have to do it once (a bit more for the few notes in there). Click Clock wood though...You die, just brutal of a punishment. XD (Always have 10 notes to go, just to fall off the top of the tree in Fall or Winter).
Oh and also, Mr. Patch Boss fight. Not hard "damage" wise, but for the third boss in the game, he's a HUGE pain.
Mario Mastar
I've gotten pretty good at RBB over the years so I can at least take a deep breath before I torture myself. GI though...ugh. Yes there were the days spent trying to figure out how to even get in but even inside it's just not fun at all. I've only every 100%'ed Banjo Tooie once and this level is one of the reasons why. *sigh*
The memories... They will never fade away :(
Skeith804
Am I the only person who went through rusty bucket bay without a second glance at difficulty? I mean, I wasn't able to play it until it came out on xbox arcade, so they might have changed something.
Maybe so.
Now it's no problem, but now I know to do the engine room first and I have way better motor controls than when I was 6-7 years old.
Death Mountain is the area of the game that forces you to grind your levels before tackling dungeons 3-6. It also isn't the hardest Death Mountain in the franchise. (Zelda 1 Dungeon 9 was 'Death Mountain') Considering most jRPGs of the era and now give you a challenge that forces you to grind. This isn't any worse than Whitney.
Actually, Zelda didn't start out as a JRPG, the first few games like with Sonic were made in the U.S. and then migrated over to Japan where they got a whole lot lamer. And yeah, Death mountain on Link wasn't all that hard. Then again none of the stuff on this list is hard I can name a game that is almost identical to all of these whose difficulty curve is much much steeper.
IT IS WAY WORSE THAN WHITNEY. Whitney, if you had gotten an Onix or traded for the Machop that girl in the Department Store offers, was pretty easy. Those two had advantages over Miltank(Better tanking/Type Advantage). Death Mountain had a maze, enemies that don't give two shits about your only line of defense, and FUCKING LAVA PITS, MAN. Whitney was ranked low on the list because you had ways to bypass her being a pain in the ass. You get no such respect from Death Mountain. Death Mountain in the first one made sense, being the last dungeon. This hellhole was the SECOND. It buried an axe in your head, burned the body, pissed on the ashes, and told you your mother never loved you.
dayolpoi
You mean you didn't map it? And Death Mountain in the first game made no sense at all with entire areas that has direction maps puzzles, and you had to visit it three different times before you could even do the dungeon there not to mention monsters that made no sense. In Link it was just a single puzzle and if you had the right gear an easy one as well, you needed nothing more than a candle, a sword, a piece of paper and a pen and you were done. Simple, easy, clean, only challenge I had in that game was in the one dungeon that had the hole too small for you to fit down into where you needed to go.
Huh. Gotta say, wasn't expecting to see a clip from one of my demo vids for the MM fangame I've been working on in the intro for this vid.
You have to take into account the age you were when you played these stages. If the trial galaxies gave you more trouble, I could probably guess you were younger when you first played them compared to when you played the second game. For some reason video games become easier with age.
Ah, goold ol Rusty Bucket Bay, kids go inside, men come out
Ummm
Rainbow road? Anyone?
Not hard anymore, but on your first times playing Rainbow road and hearing all the stories about how fucking hard it was, it had you screaming at your tv and causeed you to throw your wii remote at the screen. I hate Rainbow road, i would think that nintendo cursed it.
Wii remote? Excuse me, young 'un, I think you meant your SNES controller. I would have even accepted 64 controller.
Ahh, to be young again.
blackbirdlore Dude, Mario Kart Wii.
Da fuq, why did you think i meant SNES?
Because Rainbow Road on the Wii isn't shit. The original Rainbow Road is the one everyone talked about, the original is the one the you got carpal tunnel trying to beat.
I didn't THINK you meant anything. I'm TELLING you Rainbow Road on Wii ain't shit. AceofJays knows what's up.
Somebody clearly never played the Banshee Boardwalk and Yoshi's Canyon on the N64 version.
I would take Rainbow Road over those any day of the week.
That intro... just OMG I love it.
To be fair t Death Mountain, it lterally has "death" in its name and its a mountain. I'd say it does a good job at living up to its name
ornstein and smough from dark souls should be on here but again dark souls is a bit of a recent game and most of these lists are 95% based on nostalgia
Dark Souls isn't hard, you just suck. Get Good
UGH
Get good makes you sound like an ass.
Use it when you get raged at in PvP, not in TH-cam...
LOL dude dark souls isnt a recent game its been around since 2011
Wonderful Death
And the games in the list are from the 90s and early 00s. It's pretty fucking recent in comparison.
John Smith recent doesent mean 3 years and "recent" usually isnt used in comparison
1:40 "... but I'm RamblingLet'sgo"
I thought it was RabbidLuigi
I thought the same thing. Is he rambling, or is he RabbidLuigi? Or, is he both?
Monsoon from MGR:R is a pretty big difficulty spike if you've been neglecting parrying (like I'd been)
That segment with the three Raptors in Rising is pretty bad as well.
Borderlands 2 had some fair difficulty curves. Then the Hyperion Bunker came along with the BNK-3R boss fight. DAMN THAT AREA!
was hoping he would say borderlands, but atleast someone agrees.
That part was easy and I'm 13
12 at the time
Actually I was 11
try the souls series. bosses that can 1shot you if you've no idea how to counter, a story which is linear/part open, but they NEVER give hints, and newgame+ modes that multiply that by 1.5 each time
chobitsgnarlslover Git Gud
chobitsgnarlslover the slogan for the Souls series is "prepare to die". if you read that and expect ANY semblance of an easy time, that's your own damn fault
Miltank used Milk Drink!
What self respecting adult female animal would drink the juices that came out of their own friends and families' tits?
now i think the main difference here is that it's a cow
Zachary Carlini Well you can buy human breast milk ice cream...
speedyblupi WHERE?!
More than likely Japan.
It's too bad that the F-Zero speed bomb mission was so difficult it basically killed the entire franchise :(
Dirha: I defend death mountain!
Dirha 2: I think it's easy :D
Dirha 3: DEATH MOUNTAIN IS THE SHIT WITH THE MAZES :3
Dirha 4: trololol hay guys this place is kinda hard :3
Dirha 1,2,3:
6:28 ALL I DID WAS PRESS A
What about dark souls? In the very beginning you're trusted into a boss fight and without knowing how to properly play you're going to get smashed, then there's the rest of the game where if you aren't on your toes at all times utilizing all aspects of the game you're gonna have a very hard time
thats not a difficulty curve... thats difficulty right off the bat. a difficulty curve is a sudden spike in difficulty with little warning
technically its a hard game so it doesnt really count
phantasmic1000 thats literally what i said....
zach livernois i was responding to him
phantasmic1000 yea, by saying what i literally said to him
Some games come to mind:
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
'Wrong Side of the Tracks' mission
Timesplitters 3
When the developers ran out of good ideas at the end of the game and decides to throw invisible enemies at you.
Pokemon gold/silver is harder than others, in my opinion. I love it. Is my favourite PKMN game :)
Idk, maybe is because it is HARDER. is harder to level up, at least for me.
***** The reason is because if you catch a pokemon there, it is harder to level up and If you are level grinding it will take very long
you still have 8 extra gyms and red's battle anyways
j9794
That's what I think the diffuculty curve was, since they throw INSANE lvs at you but the wild pokemon are insanly low lvs
Arthur Moebius
I actually don't remember having difficulties first time I played it (like many years ago), but I got stuck at the E4 playing in an emulator in my phone because the mystery road pokes didn't help me grind exp :P
Whitney from Pokemon? What about the Elite Four in Diamond and Pearl? They're much more of a spike in difficulty.
The Elite Four in DPPt were pussies. Cynthia, on the other hand...
***** In Platinum they were, but DP, the level gap was massive!
The Elite Four are basically a series of final bosses, meant to test what you've learned about battling up to that point.
True, but at the time it was extremely difficult.
Champion Vaporelz No, Cynthia is MUCH harder.
DRIVER 1'S FUCKICK TOUTORIAL
The Reverse 180 gets me every time
Could never get past a burnout. I actually had to have someone do that for me when I was younger.
fuck that tutorial
As this is an old video I know this wouldn't be on the list but the last section of Kirby Planet Robobobot has a huge difficulty spike. The entire game is rather easy as most Kirby games are but I went from finishing level first try to dying at least two times a level from some pretty strong mini-bosses that you fought back to back most of the time.
True vault hunter to ultimate vault hunter in borderlands 2
Why does everybody think Whitney's Miltank is difficult to beat? There isn't any "learning curve" be be learned. Every Pokemon trainer should already know if you gung-ho against a bulky Pokemon with zero strategy other than hitting it head-on, 9-out-of-10 times, you are going to get your ass whooped. All you need is an Onix that can use Screech three times and a Machop with Karate Chop. I took that cow out in one hit! If you want to put up a real worthy Pokemon game with a learning curve, put Generation V on the list before putting up a Miltank nobody prepares for.
He said the list is "difficulty thrust upon a new player". Not difficulty for a seasoned Pokemon veteran.
I know!!! Miltank is so easy, it took me one try and I figured out how to kill it.
:P i just used sand attack on it until my pidgeoto fainted and turned it into a battle of attrition
I'd guess it's a noob bitch slap thing. It got me tons of times, but I actually can get past it regularly now. The big problem comes if you have issues getting a decent sp. attacker or a really good attacker.
DeadpoolPlayz Dumb luck is dumb luck I suppose.
Honestly Ultra Necrozma has since dethroned Whitney for biggest difficulty spike in Pokemon at this point, Ultra Necrozma is a level 60 when the strongest pokemon you've faced was level 50 (if you're on level with the game you're 10 levels or more below it), not only that but it has +1 in all of it's stats (accuracy and evasion being neutral) with the coverage to make it hit damn near everything for at least neutral damage. This isn't even taking into consideration that Ultra Necrozma has the 3rd highest base stat total of all Pokemon with it having a higher BST total than ARCEUS ITSELF.
Ultra Necrozma makes Whiteny look like Diantha in terms of difficulty, and is a garbage fight because of how buillshit it is if you don't use cheap tactics. It's an absolutely unnecessary level spike for now good reason that the game doesn't get back to until the final battle of the main game.
Seriously, in the same year that we got Slave Knight Gael, without a doubt one of the best boss fights of the DECADE so far (seriously the fight is that fucking good) GameFreak gives us Ultra Necrozma which does difficulty COMPLETELY wrong and makes the Bed of Chaos look like a decent boss.
It wasn't much of a power spike because it was only one pokemon, you could just poison him on the 1st turn and just wait for him to die while he wiped out your team. Heck, you could even bring a lvl 1 magnemite with sturdy to thunder wave it if Speed on your team is an issue and stomp it to death. If it were a team of lvl 60 pokemon, it would have truly been a power spike. Ultra Necrozma was just unexpected, not hard.
Ultra Necrozma was a decent boss for someone with a "standard" team. Everyone talks up the toxic approach but if you never loaded there's a chance you'll miss and die.
For me, I just used a Mimikyu with Destiny Bond and let Ultra Necrozma kill it taking it down with me.
Honestly, Pokémon isn't really a very challenging game if you do the research and think outside the box.
OH MY GOSH, that intro is just nostalgia to me
What about Wario's castle in super Mario land 2: six golden coins? The game was easy until that level.
Anyone here sick of those 'wow [List number] was easy for me' comments? It's just 'I'm better than you' with different wording.
Freddy Williams idk I find aztec easy but I've spent perhaps 100 or so hours refining my run pretty much comes down to how much you play. I suck at pokemon games only one I ever finished was emerald lmao.
yeah though i disagree with number 1, it should be number 10
@@toshiroyamada2443: i'm your opposite
amazing at RPGs (though i don't play pokemon)
shitty at FPS'es/other reflex-heavy games
IDK, to be honest, I get kind of annoyed when something gets a reputation for being "insanely hard" when I don't think it is; so it's nice sometimes to see people fight against that reputation.
@@linkshaoran2891: yeah i don't agree with death mountain
it's a difficulty spike but one that feels in line with the game
welcome to planktopolis, minions...
Goddammit, That last fucking statue...
That level took me two fucking months of dying and being sent back to the start of that last area. It is the worst part of the Spongebob Movie game.
That took me about 11 1/2 MONTHS TO BEAT
I really love your channel dude.
Raining Blood from Guitar Hero 3?
You mean Through the Fire and The Fames?
That was at the very end, where at least the songs before raining blood were passable, raining blood just to a very harsh turn
***** That was the song that made it take a week longer to get El Jefe than I thought it would.
***** Raining Blood was also near the end. It was still however a huge jump from what you were used to
Satch Boogey from GH On Tour Decades was even worse. It was hard on easy
If you remade this list, would Kirby's Crazy Appetite (SSBWiiU) and/or Space Travelers (SSBM) would make it?
MisterMarioKart fuck crazy appetite. that shit is frustrating just to complete and you have to beat it on hard to get the reward. fuck that
3xchrisx3
You have DDDs coming at you, strongest forward smash (minus max aura Lucario) and strongest uncharged projectile (gordos). It's the only single player event I haven't gotten the award for. What about Space Travelers?
MisterMarioKart oh no I know. I've completed it on easy but couldn't and didn't try too many times to get a better rank. I know you're supposed to swallow the food so it heals more but it's so slow and rng is a bitch. Can't remember which one that one. Been a while since I've done trials on melee without master hand speed running them :b
3xchrisx3
I did too, I tried so many times on hard, but I saw that the bread heals 15%. Space Travelers is where you play as Ness against Samus, Kirby, Fox, Falcon, and Falco in that order. The latter two are on Battlefield and the former three are on Fourside.
+MisterMarioKart
I'm pretty sure Melee's The Final Showdown is the true difficulty spike out of most of the Smash games.
I was at least able to beat Space Travelers.
Had to use the Master Hand glitch to beat Final Showdown so I could unlock FD.
Dwarf Fortress has a harder difficulty cliff
Not quite the same thing. The initial challenge is to understand the mechanics of the game and how to actually control it. The gameplay isn't actually that difficult... well... depending on how much death spawned in the area where you settled down.
Denamic
I always set all danger to maximum because i am a masochistic, suicidal maniac.
5:15 I actually found the Eggmanland Day Stage from Sonic Unleashed (Wii version, at least) to be a huge difficulty spike. Throughout the games, the day stages were joyrides, only getting difficult if you go for the S ranks. Then you reach Eggmanland and a day stage that's out for your head on a silver platter. And then you go Werehog and the game just goes back to that mode's difficulty curve, which is much easier even by this point.
Have you ever heard of Dwarf Fortress?
It has spikes on spikes. I'm talking about dificulty spikes, of course.
dwarf fortress doesn't have a difficulty curve though. It starts hard, dense and confusing, and stays hard dense and confusing right up to the bit that you die.
Difficulty curve's really only exist in games with levels or a clear sense of progression.
Pihutihutihutijay Generaly I'm agree with your comment, but I think I can point at "difficulty spikes" of DF. Let's assume I know what I'm doing in this game. There several difficulty spikes that can actually occur. For me they are simmilar to bosses in normal games, even though DF bosses don't have body for the most part, so to speak:
1) One of your dwarfs got strange mood and made your first artefact. This results in high fortress value, that results in interest of goblins, that would suddenly increase their attack power.
2) you got into the caves, and now you have either whole bunch of spiders to worry about or bloody forgotten beast.
3) tantrum spiral. If you ever had one, you know what I speak of. You have to fight your own people, most likely loosing several to it. Hopefully those aren't important crafters, then it's really spikey.
4) you struck through adamantine tube and "Horrifying screams come from the darkness below" if you don't plan for it, all your dwarfs are inevitably gonna die soon. It's pretty much Mines of moria from Lord of the Rings film situation.
DF is pretty much stradegy-roguelike, your survivability depends only on how well you prepared for diffrent challenges of this game, be prepaired and this game is pretty chill. Know nothing about it and have "FUN".
the only thing i'll add is that the difficulty spikes are pretty inconsistent. sometimes a titan with a thousand mouths and iron skin appears and wrecks your fort. other times he gets into a wrestling match with a passing moose and dodges into a ravine.
No he has not heard of DF. I’ve been playing it for years and still can’t figure out how to make a reasonable defense. And that’s after getting past all the hurdles of basic job structures fortress value balance. This guy doesn’t know what it’s like to be 100 hrs in and finally realize the anvil came before the ingot.
Chapter 7 in F-Zero GX is WAY harder than Chapter 6 IMO
+eiriseven True, but he's talking about the spike in difficulty from one level to another. So would you say the difficulty upgrade from level 5 to level 6 is greater than from level 6 to level 7?
well hating slow speed isnt Difficulty Curve... why not put something new but more appropriate for such list like Predator concrete jungle? Most thing's on the list arent Difficulty Curves... more like bugs or annoying game mechanics ...
Kristaps Rieznieks I enjoyed the goldeneye one as a speed runner for the game I can tell who ever was playing in the footage shown is new to the game lol their movment was horribly and understanding of the level was awful. Only real tricky but of aztec is the head shots on Jews and even that's not too bad with some practice.
From the moment I saw the title, I knew that Rusty Bucket Bay would be here, and that jiggy would be called out. What made it all the more annoying was that in the original release, you didn't keep your notes if you died. It had a scoring system, which meant that if you got 99/100, but then died, but you wanted the full 100, you had to get those 99 all over again. One wrong move in the engine room, too long underwater, or too slow to get out from behind the propellors when you collected the jiggy and you were oily toast.
I...genuinely never had an issue with Death Mountain.
The only death mountain I had to deal with was in Ocarina. It wasn't even that bad for me.
I found it took a few goes to get through it, but didn't think it was too bad... then again this is from a post battletoads player's view.
harshest curve ive seen was in skyrim. during your first trip up high hrothgar really early on in the main quest (ignoring the fact you have to run through miles of wilderness just to get there at that point, as no fast travel locations are even close) you encounter one of skyrim's deadliest enemies, the frost troll. my first playthrough was as a melee type, and this guy tossed me around like a ragdoll. after two or three tries, i thought i lucked out. after once again climbing the mountain and fighting of skeevers, wolves, and spiders, i come face to face with a dragon. this comes right after your first dragon fight, and as a noob in iron armor i see dragons as the ultimate of baddies. but this badass lizard isn't after me, his killing that troll for me! huzzah!
then the troll immediately wrecks the dragons face, and even being weakened by the dragon, tears me up once more. if you ever play skyrim for the first time after reading this, take my advise, do NOT do the main quest first.
You can actually just run right past the troll if you want.
but they still put him there attacking you when you should be way too low to handle it
No, just no. Skyrim has absolutely no place on this list. You could argue one of the earlier elder scrolls games back when decent game design, objectives systems and a sensible difficulty curve was a luxury to have.
Skyrim is easy even on legendary man get out of here with that nonsense lol. If you want a steep learning curve elder scrolls play Morrowind.
Skyrim was an absolute pisstake. Unless you're playing on master difficulty, you really need to try harder games.
#2 and #1 should have been swapped. Most people I know who played Zelda II eventually got through the massive clusterfuck that is Death Mountain. Almost nobody I know ever beat goddamn Turbo Tunnel without emulator savestates.
+stripedhyenuh The thing is, Battletoads was already really difficult. Zelda 2 was not as difficult, so think of it like this:
On a difficulty meter out of 10: Battletoads went from 9 to 100.
Zelda 2 went from 5 to 98.
Zelda 2 is still a bigger spike, despite landing on a lower difficulty.
+minecraftportall337 but it goes on battle toads from 9-100 in turbo tunnel, then it only increases from there and on top of that, there's more turbo tunnel near the end and it's much MUCH harder. On top of that you only have 3 lives. I don't think anyone can beat that game without cheating.
Great sound editting. Got more lol'z from me than anything else!
Where is Dwarf Fortress on this list?
not so much a difficulty curve as a difficulty cliff.
I agree completely with all the points here, it's stupidly hard and need a lot of effort to even know what's going on
Shame this channel only ever really looks at Nintendo games, otherwise I would have subscribed.
Goldeneye 007 is not Nintendo. Neither is Sonic nor Okami.
One: This is an older video.
Two: Its not just Nintendo game on here, you moron. Clearly you didn't watch the video completely through.
Three: If you don't like Nintendo stuff, too bad. Its everywhere, get used to it.
Reeeeeeetaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrd
Norman in Emerald was infinitely harder than Whitney
+tsukinoakuma i would say hes harder in ruby cause he has 2 slakings but either way his slaking is his only threat and its easily countered by protect
+tsukinoakuma so was fantina in platinum.you barely had any dark types avaliable
+jillnz45 It's hardly fair to include them, since those are the last two gyms in the game.
jillnz45 milotics a special wall and only really a tank
jillnz45 and elesa from black and white is only difficult if you cant beat the zebstrika
3:28 the part about Whitney I hate the most; ghost types get hurt, so I can't just send out Oni (a Ghastly) and use hypnosis, then switch back to Cyndaquil, or Quilava if I've actually let him evolve by then
How about the Womb levels in The Binding of Isaac? After you beat Mom in the Depths, the game suddenly turns fucking brutal, as each hit now takes not half a heart like before, but a FULL FUCKING HEART!!! Granted, the difficulty depends on what items you've gotten up to that point, but if you don't have a lot of health upgrades or soul hearts, you're going to have a really bad time...
The Necropolis levels from Wrath of the Lamb could also be put on here, as they have some of the cheapest enemies I've ever seen, enemies made specifically to whittle you down to nothing! Those jumpers that can leap into the air and land on you, the spikes that charge at you when you get in their path, those goddamn knights that can only be attacked from behind, but turn on a dime when you try to slip behind them, those FUCKING MASKS!!! And if you get the Mask of Infamy as the first boss in the Necropolis, then prepare to swear at your computer for a very long time as that fucking prick keeps trolling you while you try to hit her weak spot! Like the Womb, the difficulty isn't too bad if you got plenty of powerful items and health upgrades before, but you're going to learn to hate the Necropolis most of the time...
Personally the whole womb was a piece of cake the last time I played it. Then again I had the best setup lmao
Marty D ZC DEATH KNIGHTS. One-hit-kill!! One-hit-kill!! One-hit-kill!! One-hit-kill!!
*cough*DRFETUS*cough*
no seriously I managed to beat Mom and Mom's heart(AND almost killed Satan) when doing the Doctor's Revenge....
The major thing that makes Necropolis such a cheap difficulty spike is that it's a random(?) replacement for the SECOND pair of levels in the game.
straight lines? what about dwarf fortress
Whitney was easy as shit in Heartgold for me, and I never saw her coming, since my first Pokemon game was Firered.
Thank god! I was worried that I was the only one that found it easy...Pokémon is easy all the way through any game in the series actually!
***** Three year olds play it, what do you expect?
James Ryan Just ignore the haters, it's just cause they can't think enough to figure out how to play, it requires too much thinking for them in other words, shooters are easy, need no strategy, and require only the ability to move 2 anolog sticks and press one button to be a great first person shooter gamer...that and haters like that are just attention seekers who can't respect others opinions.
It's just cause people are scared to have a different opinion these days and if they find someone with another opinion they have to pick on them, degrade them, humiliate them so they can feel better themself!
The exact opposite of what I do...I'm going to use bronies as an example, I may not like MLP in any way possible (even though I can't find anything bad with it per say...other than the cheesy lines...though I watch the Pokémon TV show so that doesn't bother me) but I can respect the fact they like it and they do bring up good points in their reviews but I don't hate on them and I'm even friends with some bronies...Still...haters gonna hate, in short, flag, ignore, forget.
In my honest opinion, though, a couple of the early CoD games don't get the fame they deserve. COD has the worst fanbase next to even Sonic's.
James Ryan I have only played one of the newer COD's and COD 2. What does my post have to do with COD anyway?
I agree completely on Rusty Bucket Bay - the first seven levels are less about platforming and more about well-prepared exploration. Rusty Bucket Bay and Click Clock Wood are just plain hard, and they're my favourite levels in the game.