Wow! I worked on this hull! In 1988 and 1989 it was under construction at Bath Iron Works. Hull 51 is the Arleigh Burke. I was a marine electrician, on both this destroyer and two cruisers, (I think Hull 27 was one of them. The Arleigh Burke was the first destroyer built there.
Kidd Class and the other Spruance Class destroyers were just as deadly, but their flat sides and boxy design soon made them obsolete. The great greyhounds of the fleet.
Great video - what I like about our western empirical use of examples of actual fighting is our ability to create weapons & training apt to the context both of previous wars & readiness for future wars. I welcome the fact that modern ships can track thousands of targets but without a suitable number of ships or say a ship of great size (cruise-missile battleship to replace Iowa class as a armoured missile platform) a destroyer could be overwhelmed (mass air power (china) due to limited munitions
Spruance Class was good class and they were supposed to have been in service until around 2020 with VLS updates and ASW platform. USS Peterson DD-969 "Proud Tradition" was a good one!!! Spent almost 4 years on Her!!! Ticonderoga and Spruance platform was same from main deck down.
@jerpao13 Harpoons can be fired through the VLS, thou you usually want 4-8 in there own stack up launchers above the hanger deck, but that varies from ship to ship, not which flight. same goes with CIWS. each ship has its own allotment of $ for the year, the ship has to juggle if they want new stuff, or fix the broken stuff. last ship i was on, opted for the new remote controlled 25mm turrets instead of upgrading from evaporated water to reverse osmosis.
Battleships were large, slow and vulnerable gunboats that were obsoleted by advanced technology. Deck guns have limited range and somewhat limited accuracy compared to today's self-propelled guided weapons. I served on the Heavy Attack Cruiser USS Newport News, CA148, the last of the big gunboats with rapid cycling main battery. While we had good speed and could put plenty of rounds on target at 19 miles, there is nothing like a weapon that can reach out and touch the enemy at 100 miles. Boom! ?
The last battleships- the 4 Iowa class battleships were retired in the early early 1990's. 1992 or thereabouts. Their last use was in operation desert Storm. The heaviest ships that may be in use still are the Kirov battle cruisers. Which may be retired as well.
Battleships were a specific type of ship like the USS Iowa, They stopped making Battleships after WWII and the ones that are still around are apart of the mothball fleet.
The 5 inch gun is only for targets nor threatening enough for a missile. The DDG51 class has the capablity to mount numerous smaller anti-surface weapons (like 2 of the Navy version of the 20mm bushmaster, and multiple M2 50cal heavy machine guns) for use against smaller targets. In the age of guided anti-ship missles (harpoons and tomahawks) war ships do not trade shots back and forth.
@OlderG0ds the USS cole actually proved that such a massive explosion did not sink it.the weapons sensors were probably damaged,but the ship was still seaworthy after the attack.
@mynoon1999 Thanks for sharing this view. The paradox of dominating coastlines is that you need small ships to get in close to the complicated shallow coastal areas but you will be vulnerable to being overwhelmed by shore defences even if you have destroyed enemy air-power (look at the Falklands RN un-armoured surface ships where being engaged by light land based weapons) - you need a platform that has many munitions & is armoured - until energy & nano-tech weapons dominate we still need scale.
imagine a device, surreptitiously placed before conflit, like insurance, that's very cheap, effective, preprogrammed to fly to a designated target, or to fly out and hunt a target, and acts in unison with literally thousands of others at once, like cheap drones that are explosive, simultaneously acting like a gathering storm, or swarm, attacking everything everywhere that matters, at once... this is the future of warfare...and learning to defend and counter this phenomena is essential. just my opinion.
No it's the battle group that replaced battleships. A battle group consists of a carrier, supply ships and a "destroyer escort" that despite the name consists mostly of frigates nowadays (frigates comes in many sizes, some are as large as a small cruiser). The battle group's naval firepower rests on those frigates, the carrier itself is only lightly armed. Frigate's armament consists mostly of guided missiles, though they do have guns obviously.
" Burke", another Irishman.another irishman in a long list of great american/irish brings a high level of standard in a world of unknown danger.God bless the irish
Burke and Zumwalt class ships are destroyers in name only. The Burke Class destroyers displace from 9000 to 10000 tons (depending on which flight). Compared to a Ticonderoga class cruiser which displaces 10000 tons. I believe the Flight IIA and III Burke's are actually more powerful than the Ticonderoga class cruisers (having the latest electronic suites etc). The Zumwalt class ships displaces almost 15000 tons. The Zumwalts are about the size of a World War I battleship. I read an article arguing the wisdom of building a Flight III version of the Burke as some experts consider the hull too small (news.usni.org/2013/03/26/analysis-navy-should-avoid-a-flight-iii-arleigh-burke). for the next generation AMDR radar and associated weapons load. It's a strong argument for the Zumwalt. I would suspect how the Zumwalt performs in the field will determine if more are being build or if an even "Larger" destroyer is needed.
I think the Ticonderoga class cruiser will always have more power than the Burke’s. The Ticonderoga has a extra channel for the Spy-1 allowing more missiles to control plus an extra 30 or more VLS cells. Another mention is that different flights of Burke’s class sacrifice different capabilities, like for a helicopter hanger with the removing of towing sonar, harpoon missiles, and one of the CIWs. The Ticonderoga can carry helicopters, harpoons, and more VLS cells without sacrificing other components. They also mentions that the Burke class were reaching their size limit to upgrading.
manpower requirement, a single focal point for enemy retaliation, the concept of a battlewagon has fallen out of favor 50 years ago for the aircraft carrier. Though I partially agree with you that we need a larger ratio of guns to missiles for inexpensive shore bombardment, this is not the direction in which warfare is moving. More and more, its trading a $500,000 Hellfire missile for 5 goat herders with RPGs.
That LT talking about coming through rough Seas referred to Knox Class Frigate as their escort ship...Knox class has been gone since early 90's except for the ones still in the Pakistani Navy. AN/SQS-26 predecessor to the AN-SQS-53 active/passive Sonar suite I originally was going to be a Knox class sailor.
battleship USS New Jersey with its 33knots you call it slow..if i have to choose, i will choose to be in the battleship..you know why..everything you have in a destroyer is in the battleship..another thing, sealors in the battleship are proud and taller thats why other sealors envy them and wish to be in that ship.. the Battleships.
There is no war. Given enough opportunity the Chinese could become formidable. The have the material and manpower. What is missing is experience, desire and most of all training.
Actually the US navy discovers aircraft carrier is more effective to use in sea battles than battleship in WW2. So they take over the role of Battleship with Carrier.
That is until one is decommissioned and pointing three of its turrets at the hull of your ship. I believe two battleships are in a museum, but can be placed back in service at any time.
@franknbeans4761 I think we can agree on that conclusion. As someone said "A good goalkeeper needs to luck too". Paper performance in all honour, but when it comes down to it, the acutal tool is a minor part of the equation. Circumstances and different situations will destroy any plan - no plan survives contact with reality.
In a group of warships 1 destroyer (like the ones that are in WW2 but are modern and brisling with guns) would be enough to help protect the battlegroup
Battleships were rendered obsolete with the advent of ultra-fast frigates and destroyers as the base unit of naval warfare. By WW2 destroyers and frigates were so fast and maneuverable as to be nearly impossible to hit with battleship guns. From a frigate or destroyer perspective a battleship was a sitting duck. Imagine a pack of wolves attacking an elk. Takes time to bring it down but the outcome is inevitably in favor of the wolves.
well technically they replaced battleships with destroyers because the threat changed. back in battleship days ships would do exactly what the name states, battle within visibility of each other. However, because of the advanced technology more missiles and things like that were developing, causing for a new ship design that would be able to combat the new threat, which came as a destroyer replacing battleships
the navy's gone to hell. I want the good old days back with Navies fighting at sea and battleships firing huge cannons that make a lot of noise and look really cool. where have those days gone?
The problem with the idea that big gunboats have no future, is we keep needing them, and we keep rolling out 60 year old WW2 battleships to fill the need. The value to them is the armor. They have a history of turning back tremendous damage. Modern ships might be able to dish it out, but they are going to face an army of liliputians. They need to be able to take it, as well as dish it out. Aluminum hulls won't do that, ever.
I meant a carrier is lightly armed in the sense that it is not meant to wage naval warfare on its own. If it is attacked with most of its aircraft gone it must rely on its escorts for defense. It's not a standalone unit. As for battleships, them being obsolete for naval warfare did not mean they were useless as fixed firing platforms for coastal attacks and such, but after WW2 they had been relegated to serve as auxiliary units.
@OlderG0ds it is actualy because if u go fast enough once u are close to the destroyer the guns on it cannot hit u (they would hit the deck) and the motor boat would in fact be effective :P
@OlderG0ds A couple of guards on deck with some firepower would've sorted out the insurgents I bet. The problem is a lack of protection. Believe it or not, I've heard that american aircraft carriers are sometimes guarded by as little as two 50. cals while docked! Heard of the protector USV? it's one possible method of protecting docked ships, there was a future weapons episode on it. I fail to see how it would combat enemy frogmen though...
@beastatlay Well, this after all is an american show (by the looks of it). Several navies also carry corvettes and FAC's as surface combatants. Aside from having aviation facilities, a Swedish Visby could probably run rings around the old perry-class frigates.
Hilariously enough the used-to-be replacement for the Burke, the Zumwalt class is heavier and displaces more water than a Ticonderoga and is still labelled a Destroyer. America, you crazy.
Battleships stopped being the premier ships of a modern navy after WWII. Certain battles showed that the aircraft carrier was the most powerful thing afloat, and battleships were too heavy and slow. Also, with the advent of more modern naval weapons (like the Tomahawk missile, for example), battleships just got outdated after a while. A light, fast ship shooting missiles is better than a slow, heavy one with big guns. Don't beat yourself up though, it wasn't such a stupid question.
I can't wait for the battleship disguised as a stealth destroyer, USS Zumwalt. It's got a radically overpowered powerplant so it can power 5" railguns. The first such guns mounted on any combat platform. All this plus missiles powerful enough to reach way high up to take out enemy satellites. All this wrapped in a ship so stealthy that sub operators and enemy ships will think it's a small fishing trawler.
COOL... just curious, what would you say about keeping, say, 4 or 5 battleships in reserve, simply because firing a lump of lead - even with propellant - might be cheaper for the amount of destruction than launching missiles?
@Ag3nt0fCha0s Geneva convention "do not fire unless fired upon." Marcus Lutterul made an excelent, sarcastic point. " We, the soldier, do not know better than who is an enemy right? That villager is just taking his dynamite out for a walk!" Those gaurds would have been ripped apart by there own media.
with all the new technique right now,a battleship is nothing but a big target ^^.For the navy right now the fire power most likely come from long range missile not from bullet so that why battleship a no longer needed.But yeah i think they still better have some battleship available in case of electronic failing :D
@ASH6977 I am unable to agree with the fact that 'If it wasn't for us, you'd all be speaking German now', but I will agree that we might have been speaking Russian. By the way, if it wasn't for the Brits, you'd all be speaking French. Like I say, complete and utter respect for the American Armed Forces, past and present.
@ASH6977 Firstly, total respect for the American Armed Forces, without whom, we would be living in a very, very different world today. I do take issue with the very common phrase 'we saved your arses in WW1 and WW2'. You didn't, you helped save France, Belgium and Hollands arses in WW1 and WW2. An invasion of mainland Europe was impossible without the Americans, the Brits had already beaten Germany twice before American involvement and the Russians had already pegged them back as well.
@franknbeans4761 Also, Diesel-Electric subs are many times more quiet than conventional subs, in addition to being much smaller. When the HMS Gotland's noise level was to be measured at a British measurement station, they complained that the sub failed to pass that day - only after several tries did they manage to locate it. Hence it's really hard to determine if that possible threat is a sub or not. That said, I would be suprised if the US navy hasn't improved. :)
Have a look at a documentary named "The Battleships - The Darkness Of The Future " in youtube. There is your answer. The last large battleship was build in 1946. The WWII ended the battleship era. Now it's the aircraft era.
@mynoon1999 P1 reply The idea of the U-Boat / Sub having some air-defense is at least as old as the true submarine designs from late WW2, the problem could only be confronted by the primitive missile technology they had then by towing water-fall missiles in tubes behind the U-boat but this developed into the idea of internal tubes for V-2 missiles - although near the end of the war they did fire such missiles near the US coast - it was not an offensive op just for research.
@DeadMemories03 Advanced arresting gear, automation (reducing the crew's size), Evolved Sea Sparrow missile, AN/SPY-3 dual band radar, electromagnetic aircraft launching system, A1B nuclear reactor, ability to hold 90 aircraft (F-35C, F/A-18 E/F and other support aircraft like the Growler and UAV's)
Wow! I worked on this hull! In 1988 and 1989 it was under construction at Bath Iron Works. Hull 51 is the Arleigh Burke. I was a marine electrician, on both this destroyer and two cruisers, (I think Hull 27 was one of them. The Arleigh Burke was the first destroyer built there.
Awesome documentary. I wish it was in HD
My dad was one of the union workers that help build the ddg-51 arleigh burke and we were there for the ceremony of its first deploy on july 4 1991
Kidd Class and the other Spruance Class destroyers were just as deadly, but their flat sides and boxy design soon made them obsolete. The great greyhounds of the fleet.
Great video - what I like about our western empirical use of examples of actual fighting is our ability to create weapons & training apt to the context both of previous wars & readiness for future wars. I welcome the fact that modern ships can track thousands of targets but without a suitable number of ships or say a ship of great size (cruise-missile battleship to replace Iowa class as a armoured missile platform) a destroyer could be overwhelmed (mass air power (china) due to limited munitions
I love these type of war vessels! They almost dominate the seas!
Spruance Class was good class and they were supposed to have been in service until around 2020 with VLS updates and ASW platform. USS Peterson DD-969 "Proud Tradition" was a good one!!! Spent almost 4 years on Her!!! Ticonderoga and Spruance platform was same from main deck down.
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I miss the old flint lock muskets and lead-ball cannons.
"Vegeta, what does the scouter say about the ship's displacement?"
"Shut up and click on 5:14, Nappa."
Damn. I salute you. I'm only 14, but even so, I still think battleships are more awesome.
6:40 I was on a Knox class, and 20 foot seas would be a little rough, but we've been in 50 foot seas following a typhoon near Hong kong in '88.
Still love the incredible shock and awe the guns on Iowa class battleships provide. They will definitely give you a bad day.
@jerpao13 Harpoons can be fired through the VLS, thou you usually want 4-8 in there own stack up launchers above the hanger deck, but that varies from ship to ship, not which flight. same goes with CIWS. each ship has its own allotment of $ for the year, the ship has to juggle if they want new stuff, or fix the broken stuff. last ship i was on, opted for the new remote controlled 25mm turrets instead of upgrading from evaporated water to reverse osmosis.
the best aegis guided missile destroyers in the world,just like the kongo and atago class.
Battleships were large, slow and vulnerable gunboats that were obsoleted by advanced technology. Deck guns have limited range and somewhat limited accuracy compared to today's self-propelled guided weapons. I served on the Heavy Attack Cruiser USS Newport News, CA148, the last of the big gunboats with rapid cycling main battery. While we had good speed and could put plenty of rounds on target at 19 miles, there is nothing like a weapon that can reach out and touch the enemy at 100 miles. Boom! ?
The last battleships- the 4 Iowa class battleships were retired in the early early 1990's.
1992 or thereabouts. Their last use was in operation desert Storm.
The heaviest ships that may be in use still are the Kirov battle cruisers.
Which may be retired as well.
Do they even need that? Their weapon industry is undoubtedly the most advanced one.
This is one tough baby!
I've been on board at DDG 59 russel when it visited cebu, philippines. damn I really love american destroyers... I WANT TO SERVE US NAVY!!!
Battleships were a specific type of ship like the USS Iowa, They stopped making Battleships after WWII and the ones that are still around are apart of the mothball fleet.
The 5 inch gun is only for targets nor threatening enough for a missile. The DDG51 class has the capablity to mount numerous smaller anti-surface weapons (like 2 of the Navy version of the 20mm bushmaster, and multiple M2 50cal heavy machine guns) for use against smaller targets. In the age of guided anti-ship missles (harpoons and tomahawks) war ships do not trade shots back and forth.
The Chinese navy is the real world equivalent of imperial stormtroopers. They exist to provide victories for other navies
I definitely want to go back to learn their new system
Cool story. Tell us more.
@OlderG0ds the USS cole actually proved that such a massive explosion did not sink it.the weapons sensors were probably damaged,but the ship was still seaworthy after the attack.
@mynoon1999 Thanks for sharing this view. The paradox of dominating coastlines is that you need small ships to get in close to the complicated shallow coastal areas but you will be vulnerable to being overwhelmed by shore defences even if you have destroyed enemy air-power (look at the Falklands RN un-armoured surface ships where being engaged by light land based weapons) - you need a platform that has many munitions & is armoured - until energy & nano-tech weapons dominate we still need scale.
imagine a device, surreptitiously placed before conflit, like insurance, that's very cheap, effective, preprogrammed to fly to a designated target, or to fly out and hunt a target, and acts in unison with literally thousands of others at once, like cheap drones that are explosive, simultaneously acting like a gathering storm, or swarm, attacking everything everywhere that matters, at once... this is the future of warfare...and learning to defend and counter this phenomena is essential. just my opinion.
This requires change in the balance of Erk!
No it's the battle group that replaced battleships. A battle group consists of a carrier, supply ships and a "destroyer escort" that despite the name consists mostly of frigates nowadays (frigates comes in many sizes, some are as large as a small cruiser). The battle group's naval firepower rests on those frigates, the carrier itself is only lightly armed. Frigate's armament consists mostly of guided missiles, though they do have guns obviously.
Carriers didn't replace them they already existed. They simply retired battleships in favor for smaller ships like destroyers.
The Chinese create an equvanlant of the Burke class destroyer. It's called type 052D, it has H-16 Anti Ballistic Missiles with HQ-9 ABM/AA.
" Burke", another Irishman.another irishman in a long list of great american/irish brings a high level of standard in a world of unknown danger.God bless the irish
Burke and Zumwalt class ships are destroyers in name only. The Burke Class destroyers displace from 9000 to 10000 tons (depending on which flight). Compared to a Ticonderoga class cruiser which displaces 10000 tons. I believe the Flight IIA and III Burke's are actually more powerful than the Ticonderoga class cruisers (having the latest electronic suites etc). The Zumwalt class ships displaces almost 15000 tons. The Zumwalts are about the size of a World War I battleship. I read an article arguing the wisdom of building a Flight III version of the Burke as some experts consider the hull too small (news.usni.org/2013/03/26/analysis-navy-should-avoid-a-flight-iii-arleigh-burke). for the next generation AMDR radar and associated weapons load. It's a strong argument for the Zumwalt. I would suspect how the Zumwalt performs in the field will determine if more are being build or if an even "Larger" destroyer is needed.
Lego USS Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer
LEGO Zumwalt Class Destroyer (DDG-1000) Do you like them? :D
I think the Ticonderoga class cruiser will always have more power than the Burke’s.
The Ticonderoga has a extra channel for the Spy-1 allowing more missiles to control plus an extra 30 or more VLS cells. Another mention is that different flights of Burke’s class sacrifice different capabilities, like for a helicopter hanger with the removing of towing sonar, harpoon missiles, and one of the CIWs.
The Ticonderoga can carry helicopters, harpoons, and more VLS cells without sacrificing other components.
They also mentions that the Burke class were reaching their size limit to upgrading.
manpower requirement, a single focal point for enemy retaliation, the concept of a battlewagon has fallen out of favor 50 years ago for the aircraft carrier. Though I partially agree with you that we need a larger ratio of guns to missiles for inexpensive shore bombardment, this is not the direction in which warfare is moving. More and more, its trading a $500,000 Hellfire missile for 5 goat herders with RPGs.
That LT talking about coming through rough Seas referred to Knox Class Frigate as their escort ship...Knox class has been gone since early 90's except for the ones still in the Pakistani Navy. AN/SQS-26 predecessor to the AN-SQS-53 active/passive Sonar suite I originally was going to be a Knox class sailor.
I love the us destroyers.
destroyers need more guns to fight and protect itself.
That is pretty much the standardized system.
Frigates originated from Ship of the Sail and thusly are significantly smaller than Destroyers
dominating the seas.... until a motorboat with explosives sails by
battleship USS New Jersey with its 33knots you call it slow..if i have to choose, i will choose to be in the battleship..you know why..everything you have in a destroyer is in the battleship..another thing, sealors in the battleship are proud and taller thats why other sealors envy them and wish to be in that ship.. the Battleships.
@swizzletik What do you suggest? Tirpitz type ships? Yes, those had thick armour, but mobility?
There is no war. Given enough opportunity the Chinese could become formidable. The have the material and manpower. What is missing is experience, desire and most of all training.
Actually the US navy discovers aircraft carrier is more effective to use in sea battles than battleship in WW2. So they take over the role of Battleship with Carrier.
That is until one is decommissioned and pointing three of its turrets at the hull of your ship. I believe two battleships are in a museum, but can be placed back in service at any time.
@franknbeans4761 I think we can agree on that conclusion. As someone said "A good goalkeeper needs to luck too".
Paper performance in all honour, but when it comes down to it, the acutal tool is a minor part of the equation. Circumstances and different situations will destroy any plan - no plan survives contact with reality.
Im going to go play battleship now.
I want one for my next birthday!
Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.
Dead wrong, I was in the Navy. We've got just a little over 60 DD's. There's 62 active Arleigh Burke-class DD's.
In a group of warships 1 destroyer (like the ones that are in WW2 but are modern and brisling with guns) would be enough to help protect the battlegroup
Battleships were rendered obsolete with the advent of ultra-fast frigates and destroyers as the base unit of naval warfare. By WW2 destroyers and frigates were so fast and maneuverable as to be nearly impossible to hit with battleship guns. From a frigate or destroyer perspective a battleship was a sitting duck. Imagine a pack of wolves attacking an elk. Takes time to bring it down but the outcome is inevitably in favor of the wolves.
What makes you think that, They put alot of work and technology and they are above standards when they are released..
well technically they replaced battleships with destroyers because the threat changed. back in battleship days ships would do exactly what the name states, battle within visibility of each other. However, because of the advanced technology more missiles and things like that were developing, causing for a new ship design that would be able to combat the new threat, which came as a destroyer replacing battleships
the navy's gone to hell. I want the good old days back with Navies fighting at sea and battleships firing huge cannons that make a lot of noise and look really cool. where have those days gone?
The problem with the idea that big gunboats have no future, is we keep
needing them, and we keep rolling out 60 year old WW2 battleships
to fill the need. The value to them is the armor. They have a history of
turning back tremendous damage. Modern ships might be able to
dish it out, but they are going to face an army of liliputians. They
need to be able to take it, as well as dish it out. Aluminum hulls
won't do that, ever.
I meant a carrier is lightly armed in the sense that it is not meant to wage naval warfare on its own. If it is attacked with most of its aircraft gone it must rely on its escorts for defense. It's not a standalone unit. As for battleships, them being obsolete for naval warfare did not mean they were useless as fixed firing platforms for coastal attacks and such, but after WW2 they had been relegated to serve as auxiliary units.
Not in most modern navies; most Navies found them too large and expensive to run, especially considering how vulnerable they are to airpower.
People just can't face the fact that the US army/navy/air force are the most powerful in the world.
they retired battleships because a cruise missiles do a better job and are used alot more.
he means that they shoud make battleship sized vessels with modern technology
OVER 9000! tons
hope to see HMS dauntless swatting the argie air force out of the skies like flies soon God Save the Queen.
@OlderG0ds
it is actualy because if u go fast enough once u are close to the destroyer the guns on it cannot hit u (they would hit the deck) and the motor boat would in fact be effective :P
@OlderG0ds
A couple of guards on deck with some firepower would've sorted out the insurgents I bet. The problem is a lack of protection. Believe it or not, I've heard that american aircraft carriers are sometimes guarded by as little as two 50. cals while docked!
Heard of the protector USV? it's one possible method of protecting docked ships, there was a future weapons episode on it. I fail to see how it would combat enemy frogmen though...
@beastatlay
Well, this after all is an american show (by the looks of it). Several navies also carry corvettes and FAC's as surface combatants. Aside from having aviation facilities, a Swedish Visby could probably run rings around the old perry-class frigates.
Stupid question to ask but if there are Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers then what about Battleships?
Carriers replaced Battleships.
What does LAV III look like? Swedish Piranha. Who made LAV, and Stryker? General Dynamics (US company)
Hilariously enough the used-to-be replacement for the Burke, the Zumwalt class is heavier and displaces more water than a Ticonderoga and is still labelled a Destroyer. America, you crazy.
we all shoot in the same direction (most of the time)
Battleships stopped being the premier ships of a modern navy after WWII. Certain battles showed that the aircraft carrier was the most powerful thing afloat, and battleships were too heavy and slow. Also, with the advent of more modern naval weapons (like the Tomahawk missile, for example), battleships just got outdated after a while. A light, fast ship shooting missiles is better than a slow, heavy one with big guns.
Don't beat yourself up though, it wasn't such a stupid question.
I can't wait for the battleship disguised as a stealth destroyer, USS Zumwalt. It's got a radically overpowered powerplant so it can power 5" railguns. The first such guns mounted on any combat platform. All this plus missiles powerful enough to reach way high up to take out enemy satellites. All this wrapped in a ship so stealthy that sub operators and enemy ships will think it's a small fishing trawler.
COOL...
just curious, what would you say about keeping, say, 4 or 5 battleships in reserve, simply because firing a lump of lead - even with propellant - might be cheaper for the amount of destruction than launching missiles?
@Ag3nt0fCha0s Geneva convention "do not fire unless fired upon." Marcus Lutterul made an excelent, sarcastic point. " We, the soldier, do not know better than who is an enemy right? That villager is just taking his dynamite out for a walk!" Those gaurds would have been ripped apart by there own media.
watching
Go Daisy...DDG 95!
I used to be in the US navy, but then i took an arrow to the knee.
@OlderG0ds he was right though someone should have been paying attention, since then lessons have been learnt though.
Ask the aliens.
with all the new technique right now,a battleship is nothing but a big target ^^.For the navy right now the fire power most likely come from long range missile not from bullet so that why battleship a no longer needed.But yeah i think they still better have some battleship available in case of electronic failing :D
I might be wrong, but isnt the most advanced destroyer now the type 45?
Type 45 FTW
In Soviet Russia, one ship takes down 100 ships.
@ASH6977 I am unable to agree with the fact that 'If it wasn't for us, you'd all be speaking German now', but I will agree that we might have been speaking Russian. By the way, if it wasn't for the Brits, you'd all be speaking French. Like I say, complete and utter respect for the American Armed Forces, past and present.
@ASH6977 Firstly, total respect for the American Armed Forces, without whom, we would be living in a very, very different world today. I do take issue with the very common phrase 'we saved your arses in WW1 and WW2'. You didn't, you helped save France, Belgium and Hollands arses in WW1 and WW2. An invasion of mainland Europe was impossible without the Americans, the Brits had already beaten Germany twice before American involvement and the Russians had already pegged them back as well.
@franknbeans4761 Also, Diesel-Electric subs are many times more quiet than conventional subs, in addition to being much smaller. When the HMS Gotland's noise level was to be measured at a British measurement station, they complained that the sub failed to pass that day - only after several tries did they manage to locate it. Hence it's really hard to determine if that possible threat is a sub or not. That said, I would be suprised if the US navy hasn't improved. :)
The ABM capabilities like the SM-2 with SPY-1 radar is Awesome. Can it track space objects via Ageis?
Pew pew pew!
now I know,,thanx 4 d info peeps.. :)
A modern DD is the most powerful surface warship afloat. And the USA has hundreds of them.
Yeah, but those missiles are $75,000 each.
Have a look at a documentary named "The Battleships - The Darkness Of The Future " in youtube.
There is your answer. The last large battleship was build in 1946.
The WWII ended the battleship era.
Now it's the aircraft era.
amen
Listen to the video. IF the destroyer was big enough to be the primary warship,
why did the Arleigh Burke class get 4 times bigger?
lol, good one.
they do to keep the seas open and free
My NEC keeps me stuck on Destroyers been on 3 now would like to try a Carrier or LPD, LHD
@mynoon1999 P1 reply The idea of the U-Boat / Sub having some air-defense is at least as old as the true submarine designs from late WW2, the problem could only be confronted by the primitive missile technology they had then by towing water-fall missiles in tubes behind the U-boat but this developed into the idea of internal tubes for V-2 missiles - although near the end of the war they did fire such missiles near the US coast - it was not an offensive op just for research.
@DeadMemories03 Advanced arresting gear, automation (reducing the crew's size), Evolved Sea Sparrow missile, AN/SPY-3 dual band radar, electromagnetic aircraft launching system, A1B nuclear reactor, ability to hold 90 aircraft (F-35C, F/A-18 E/F and other support aircraft like the Growler and UAV's)