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Silence Abilities - Why They're So Rare | League of Legends
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Silence is a crowd control that you don't see too often in League of Legends. But when you do, it can feel extremely jarring to be on the receiving end of. Today we'll be discussing Silencers and why they're so rare.
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With the pure Auto-attackers becoming a rare breed as time goes by. Silence is really busted on a game that anyone can potentially die for less than 2 seconds.
so the real cho'gath gameplay rework is making champs he counters be meta... interesting
so the real solution is actually lower the damage output of all champions across the board, which ik Riot wouldnt do because reasons
Unless ur kench
@@betababy8545 Well that would be basically dota, where u have 5.75sec malza ult, 5 sec silences are quite common, and basic stun duration is 2sec
@@betababy8545 Silence was always OP back when the damage was lower. And people love doing big damage so no chance Riot gonna nerf the damage anyway
playing vs a Silence as Zeri is basically the same as a suppresion, because jesus were useless then
Soraka is my eternal permaban even when she's shit because of this. (Also RIP old Zeri passive that a least could steal her aery proc)
They should give us back the passive, even if its useless I loved the pretty bubble, especially on skins...
Good to know how to counterpick then
Can we get a moment for Viktor, as Vars forgot about his 0.25 second Silence on his ultimate cast... Press F to pay respects 😔
It's no longer a silence and just disables channeled abilities
Fun fact, if you can predict the timing you can cancel a malzahar ult as Viktor if you buffer it right before malz goes to suppress
The most painful interaction with silence I've experienced personally is how it Removes Zeri's Auto attack, since you can't Q when silenced, making you effectively useless for the whole duration.
... how's that any different from legit any spell caster, especially ap ones
@@dde8721 because shes not a spell caster? shes an adc. her Q is her auto, literally. her q hits wards, her q triggers on-attack, it is an auto, not an ability w/ on-hit. her right click does no damage. she is polymorphed while silenced, essentially. she literally has no options, not even auto, unlike every other adc
@dde8721 zeri can only right click exactly once for damage while silenced, and if she doesn't have it fully stacked then it does less damage than a mages auto attack. Seriously, every single aery using mage does more damage then a silenced zeri
@@Pineapple-hx9ty even without aery mages, tanks and echanters autoattacks would deal more dmg than Zeri's autoattack
Would bet the whenever they get around to reworking cho that whatever replaced his scream is going to be a fear rather than a silence.
as a malzahar enjoyer, I can confirm that people just seem to gloss over his Q and really pay for it. Especially in the late game, when an assassin rushes at my malz, his silence might as well be a stun because in that 2 second those champs cant use zed w, yasuo windwall or yone blink and just be blown up. same with cho, though that might be more due to the knockup that follows
True, I'm also malzahar player and nowadays most champion rely on their skill so when teamfight happen and Malz Q hit 5 enemy champion midfight they just walk and auto attack like minion lul. Insta win teamfight.
Ground is also an interesting cc, they gave it to Cassiopeia and Singed a while ago and no champion ever got it after those two.
Poppy got it on W too!
Veigar cage technically grounds when touched, which is why it disrupts anyone try to escape with mobility. It is not the same ground as you mention, but it does stop movement. Most stun abilities don't stop the movement of abilities. They complete once in motion and they are stunned where they land.
Just wanted to point that out. I know what you were meaning is areas that prevent movement abilities from being cast, but they still can move.
@@Arshield285Not really, she doesn't stop the ability from being cast which is what OP is referring to. However she does punish champs that use movement abilities that are not teleports/blinks.
@@MrReaperHand But didn't poppy recieve a buff where after stopping a dash she grounded the target a few seconds afterwards? I believe she did, not sure if it got removed at some point
@@Arshield285 oh? Then i missed that so disregard my comment
That malzahar at 4:40 did not need to flash for that kill, his vision got reprocced by q. Vlad was 100% dead
Silence is as important as it is cuz of how ability focused the game is, and how easy and plentiful slows are. Notice, all the silences were removed from assasins, those who have the easiest time negating position advantage.
The silences that are left are all on imobile champs focused on CC combos or healing over time. In fids case, both. Silence has the potential least impact of any CC, if all your stuff is on cooldown, but the time it buys for a burst champ is fuckin insane
Sometimes I feel like Silence can be worst than a Root/Stun/Displacement. Not have the ability or item available that you bought to help you basically make you a sitting. Yes you can still auto attack but that won’t mean much if abilities add on to the damage output to potentially live. That’s why Garen’s silence is so impactful you basically lose if you just a squishy or has enough shred to do his ult for the kill
Stun and airborne do this too tho
Silence disabling your summoner soells is so fucking stupid
But on it's own, it's a oerfectly fine debuff, that is only proboematic, because riot fucked the game, by making it about spamming abilities
As a sett silence is TERRIBLE, i ulted in the tank, and then soraka just e'd under me and i couldnt use my w to tank or do damage either... its a very bad feeling.
@@doommaker4000 Stuns and knock up skills are much less subtle. It's why Malphite's ult is the king of all knock-up abilities despite all the power creep.
Silence is instantly applied with minimal effort. The few stun or knock-up abilities that take similar amounts of effort are short and telegraphed.
@@xolotltolox7626 I would say that how League was coded because silence in other game, primarily DOTA 2, only disables your active abilities. A lot of League crowd control has very odd coding logic. Like how airborne in League can magically lift you up in the air and hit ability that supposed to surpass you because... you aren't actually in the air based on League logic.
I don't mind a silence affecting abilities, that's what it's designed to do. But the fact it affects also summoner spells and items is a bit too much imo. That's why Dota, whilst having arguably much more cc and silences and many many disabling effects, has silence and mute be separate. Silence affects only active abilities, passives still work. Mute affects items only, which is generally used against those heroes that tend to buy active items that can heal, shield, heal, dispell them etc. Break affects only passives, so for heroes that are designed around a passive, or depend on them, like bristleback for his damage reduction, and phantom assassin for her evasion and high crit, break affects them greatly.
Silence in League affects all of them; abilities, items, summoner spells (passives i'm not certain on). If silence only affected abilities, not items and summoner spells, then i wouldn't mind more champions having it in their kit. I rarely play support, but when i do, soraka is one of which that i do play, and the silence + root, is especially powerful if you know how and when to use it. I believe a lot of people underestimate it greatly.
This whole time I thought Kassadin had a silence on his Q despite the fact I started playing in season 5 when he already didn't have it anymore...
He does have like a 0.1 silence, tooltip says it stops channeling but it's just coded as a VERY short silence.
@@Danny_B13that is a very common myth that's untrue, all it does is stop channels and it's not any deeper than that
@@dde8721 Oh, i assumed it was true cause when u get q'd by kassadin the silenced status appears over your health bar for a fraction of a second.
@@Danny_B13no it is true, you actually can’t cast anything for that fraction of a second.
He doesn’t? I’ve only really been playing for a few months, why do I think his Q is a silence? 😫
i wish there could be a new demacian champion of the hinter mage faction entirely about silence gameplay
I only read the first word on the notification on my phone and thought you were going to talk about gun silencers 😭
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I miss my Bluetooth cho W. It made playing full ap so satisfying (I will take the current stacking of ult over it any day of the week however)
Mr.Editor deserves a raise with those graphics & animations! Please make a video about why doesn't League have a mana drain system :> (Just like Anti-mage from Dota) Very insightful video!
Crowd control is highly valued in league for serving as a great equalizer of sorts
I always remember this one lee player getting me when I played talon when he still had the silence on his E. There was no counterplay for that one second when you did his blink. Incredibly powerful and was my favorite champion until his rework even without his silence.
4:50 that Malzahar flash killed me. His q refreshes e, so vlad was dead anyway
Eh, I think if vlad had dshield he might just barely live the aery + e tics
@@ngngye no way he can survive
favourite moments is playing Soraka and just silencing below whoever a Zed decides to ult.
I’m might’ve been sleeping on Vars, but the editing in this video is very impressive and well done.
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Silence on an ADC could give them a niche of being a weapon against lineups with multiple mages or assassins, acting as self-peel, as well as a strong matchup against more spell-heavy ADCs like ezreal. I think this anti-ability style could fit there quite well and offer an alternative to the parry of nilah and samira.
Ashe should've had drow rangers gust
@@christianmanso2268 Agreed
I like silences, mainly because they do have an impact but people don’t think about them a lot, i think that makes the
game more interesting and i think they should have more
I think silence would be a sick summoner spell...
A very simple nerf to silence so that it can be seen again is to make that it only stop you from casting champion abilities. That's it. No stopping items and no stopping Summoner Spells. I'm honestly surprised Rito didn't do that already.
Yea but silence is one of the few ways to stop recalls and such, they can’t add silence to any new champs because the champs are already so overloaded. Look at soraka, Malz, and Cho, very basic kits with very basic passives.
Malz, having a silence on top of his super long supress not letting you qss right away is annoying @toasterhothead3312
If silence just silenced, and wasn't silence+mute it would be a lot fairer
I suspect that how League was coded back in the day and I would prefer if they didn't touch it. Remind that Maokai Q was broken after they updated how knockback should function
Make it like Dota 2 where Silence only affects Champion Abilities and affecting Summoner Spells, Item Passives and Actives and Champion Passives are their own status effects. Also make it dispellable. Hell, make anything that isn’t a Hard Coded Stun be Dispellable.
i love silence bcs it feels unique
i'd love to have for example a support that puts an aura around a enemy that silences anyone who gets close enough to them for the duration (doesn't silence the target themselves) so you could put that on a botlaner and it would force the support to adapt to the situation
1:19 - pretty sure sion's ult is unstoppable
Well yes but actually not
It's unstoppable, but it's also a channel. It can be disrupted by silence effects, like Camille ult. That's why a Sion can't run from a Camille.
Edit: I hallucinated this, it is entirely untrue.
@@Hylofear no the reason y he gets stopped is because camille ults acts like j4 ult but only to the person s
he ults.
@@Hylofear never. you talking out of your ass.
It is
This reminds me of a poor zed in WR.
The man used his ult on me (I was playing as Soraka at the time) and i just casually walked into my own E before Zed's ult finished. And well Zed popped out of his ult and immediately got silenced and Rooted and I used that one boot enchant that does knockback to stop him from teleporting away into his shadows while miss fortune does her stuff on him.
Poppy E is never considered to be the most powerful ability in a twamfight and thats why it works
soraka is probably the only silence champion I can accept, she doesn't have the tools to lock someone in the aoe and anyone can just walk out of it so the silence last for less than 1 second, cancelling channels are just expected of enchanters anyway
One thing, Kassadin's Q isn't a super short silence, it just disrupts channels.
Honestly, I feel the "Antimage" should have his silence back. No need to make it 2,6 seconds. Maybe just 1 second, just enough to let him blink in
@@THEO00900Well, Anti-Mage also doesn't have a silence
He does have a mini stun on his ulti in the same vein of interrupting channels tho
@@xolotltolox7626 I didn't mean the Dota Antimage, I mean a counter to mages.
@@THEO00900 kass is literally based on AM
@@xolotltolox7626 yet I didn't say that. So unless you are talking to yourself here I see no point in continuing this conversation. I speak of the concept of an Anti-mage, a character meant to counter mages and you speak of a specific character in a different game.
I love silencing Tryndamere as Soraka,
will be fun to see more. it would be a nice way to deal with all the dashes
also, Silience on cassio would be fun
I wish they would release a support character that can silence allies for 10 seconds, in exchange for them getting greater heal and shield amplification.
@@kingol4801 That kind of tradeoff would only be useful on champions not reliant on their abilities, which is a very small number. It would also require incredible coordination since one player would basically be stealing another player's abilities, which would never work in solo queue.
I’ve lost count of the amount of time I was playing garen v Kayle where she’s low health trying to bait a dive with her ult but stare at the grey screen as I q her then ult
chogath my GOAT
Great video and great music choice as always 👍 👌
Huzzah. A new series
when you play another MOBA where silences are more common like Hots you feel this so much. a few days ago i was playing a game with kelthuzad ( a combo mage), and the enemy team had a stukov (a support with a long ranged channeled silence AoE), and he literally disrupted like 70% of all my combos, it was really annoying to playing against lol
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Silence to me is like a legacy of early League that they understand it won't be good for the game now or even in the future. With how silence is coded in League, it shuts you down from using any abilities, summoner spells and items. And with how over reliant League champions on their spell casting, silence is just a discouragement to that playstyle and unintuitive to understand. Meanwhile in DOTA 2, silence only disables your active ability. If you want to disable someone's passive, you need "break" status effect and if you want to prevent them from using item, you need "mute" status effect. These effects exist on some champions and can be accessed by buying items that can cause them.
As someone who enjoys Soraka her silence can feel great at times but useless at other times it can be funny to see the enemy confused when their abilities don't go off but at the same time sometimes I'd rather just have a stun
kassadin doesn't have a silence, it only interrupts channeling, even if its written "silenced" it doesn't silence the target at all and therefore doesn't prevent you from using abilities
Because silence is one of the ways to stop these 200 years champions and riot can’t have that
This makes me want to find a friend and run a Soraka/Morgana botlane.
in teamfights soraka's E is my favorite contribution, soraka E can shit on most combos, prevent some champs to attack high damage bursts and create traps, like i can negate akali's attacks or about anyone that favors tping to ally or others simply by putting an E beforehand, they get silenced and ccd for 2 seconds and they either die or wasted time
ive been talking about this for years
12:28 Whatever wild rift devs are smoking, it made them double garen's silence to 3 seconds at all levels
holy shit beautiful dead background music I 100% agree
In my eyes silence is hard as
1. It can cancel TP
2. Before the rework it would break the scuttle crab shield
I really think that if silences were common (like replace >50% slows by a silence or something like that), it would be handled a bit more seriously by riot, but a lot more respected by people while not changing that much the balance of the game
Yasuo's wind wall exist, and it straight up invalidates some champs (sona for example) but it's still allowed in the game, you can maneuver around it, it's the same for silences i think
Let me just clarify that Camille r and Kassadin q aren't considered silences cause they're not, They're a Disable which is actually different from silence and only disables channels
It doesn't stop you from using other spells
Old Leblanc, Talon, and Kassadin, and his mom:
You tell that to dota players who have a relatively cheap item with a targeted 5 second silence as an active and increased damage by 30% from all sources for the duration. Though in Dota, you may still use items while silenced, because there's another effect for it - mute. Which is much rarer and doesn't even appear in items.
tbh with current year power creep I think LeBlanc could be given her silence back. Just make sure it can only trigger once every 5 seconds or something so she can't double up on it. The girl needs SOMETHING.
Kassadin still have 2 second silence on his Q in Wild Rift but it is a projectile like Morgana Q so you can actually miss it
I remember going against a soraka on ARAM as Briar. Couldn't end my frenzy, couldnt chomp for healing, i was basically a sitting duck. It made me so mad.
Disarms are even rarer, you should make an vid on it.
Is there any champion tht currently has it? I remember that reworked Irelia used to have it on her ult but thats as far as I know any chanpion that had it.
@@nightcorechords5705lulu's polymorph is no longer its own cc. It is a combination of a few disarm being one of them (she also slows and silences during it).
The other one is Quinn, however hers works only on non-champions for disarm. Champs become near-sighted instead.
once u hear the "S" u cant unhear it , all i heard was SilenCe abilitieS are So rare
I miss LB silence on Q 😢
"Cause I f*cking hate them" there, answered the question before the video began.
10 man sleep, best CC I've ever seen!
If I could think of a champ with Silencing champs, it would be nothing more than a bookworm/librarian champ.
Chogath kinda has this with their W
Saw a clip with old Galio in it while they were talking about 6 Sunfire Evelynn. I forgot he even had a rework lol Whens the Galio Retrospective??
I silenced this video before watching it. I have no clue what Vars was talking about. OP af!
Im glad they're not adding any more silences in the new champions kits, I'd much rather get Rooted/Snared/Stunned than Silenced
Vars, did you accidentally use Sion R in editing because he physically charges instead of Sion Q which is a charge ability?
I've said it before a million times I miss the old fiddle e with the bouncing crows. U just just spam that as support from a distance where they can't touch u
It was so toxic, when you got Fiddle in Aram, being able to silence the whole enemy team with one crow.
Ngl the main problem feels like its just the fact that silence disable the items. That also feels like spaghetti coding in the works .
Ive always thought that raka was the best support to stop the enemy 5-0 islander from just winning the game 1v9.
Kinda agree with riot on not throwing silences on every champ and making them easy to read on the champs that still have them. Back when Kass, LB and Talon had them it was disgusting to get 100-0 without being able to use anything against them, same goes for Garen.
Underrated and lack of clarity. That is the problem. Most of the time you didn't realise you were silenced until silence is over.
Lmao wut? Maybe if you're awful
Did we forgot Blitzcrank ult?
"I tried to silence my mother one time. Boy, was that a mistake."
i want a silence on a tank that can do somthing big if they get hit kind of like zac with his e but this silence would be a hard to hit thing maybe like a xerath w or yuumi q slow and reactable
Always wondered why League designers are so afraid of silences, coming from Dota 2, there are a good amount of champs that can silence and they usually last much longer (although most all crowd control lasts longer in Dota to be fair)
Riot making a champ with silence after this video
I really like this video. I do think a good silence can literally just get you killed if you don’t know you are silenced. I think Garen silence is too long especially now that he goes damage now not tank hybrid anymore.
I wish you made videos on heroes of the storm. Valeera, a melee assassin with permanent invisibility, has a 2.5 second, point and click silence that applies a bleed that does a good quarter of any squishies health in damage, and it f*cking teleported her to her target. To add to it, she also had a point and click, teleporting 1 second stun, 2 free targeted dashes, and one of her ults is alkalis W. Not the one we have now, no, it’s the same as the one she had right after her update.
So she can just walk around in complete invisibility, teleport directly on to you from out of no where, silence you for 2.5 second and has enough burst to kill you before the silence is gone. Such an awful hero design wise. She’s legit worse than any champ in league aside from old Warwick.
Being silenced might be the most infuriating mechanic in the game tbh especially because almost all of them are point and click
Riot could make Garen's Q be like Darius so he's less cancer than now
As someone who enjoys playing Chogath I can say for sure. People underestimate the power of silence. I believe that mobility has become too important so people don't notice any CC that doesn't affects it.
I love Soraka e. Is skilled, powerfull but not broken. Good in early and in tfs.
people forget that talon, kass, and LB used to have a silence on their kits but that shit was BUSTED
I feel silence should be a Demacian exclusive effect, with all that anti-mage thing going on. At least all champions with petricite in their armor/weapons should have some kind of silence in their kit. Would it unbalance the game? Probably. But it is what it is. I don't understand how Galio, of all champions, does not have a silence in his kit. He's literally an anti-magic colossus. He absorbs magic. His very presence is enough to silence mages in his lore.
I like silence, it’s annoying enough to be useful, but it doesn’t feel unfair to go up against
It’s OP on URF :D
imagine a tank with a global silencing ult
RIOOOT, MAKE ZERI'S Q IMMUNE TO SILENCE, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
Played against silencer in Dora 2 once, SO glad he never made it over to league. Like the og lion ability in rainbow six but never nerfed
Silencer from Dota 2 ported over to League would be very broken, especially with how different Silence as a Status Effect is handled in both games alone. Would probably be a Mid Laner or Support though since his basically an Auto Attacker with an Anti Ability EMP that’s Global as an ULT.
Lol silencer is one of the most shit heroes ever, silencer gets countered by so many items. To get him to be any useful you need to do so much things right and hope the enemy team fucks up their item builds. Silencer is also one of the most team reliant hero in the game and can't actually act on their own even when ahead. By midgame you're just a walking silence and you mostly use it to stop ganks which they get the kill anyway or the rare baiting out defensive items like bkb/lotus in a team fight that it doesn't matter most of the time. Thats why for years his the worst support and a subpar carry, it's basically playing 4v5 most of the time. Only way facing a strong silencer is you or your team fucked up somehow.
@@fish-kt4iq Meanwhile in Most of My Pubs: Keeps Feeding Kills to the Silencer, allowing him to Steal Intelligence and functions like a Pseudo Right Click Carry with a Global Silence.
@@fish-kt4iq Eitherway: To stay in topic, even IF we entertained the idea of A Silencer Copy in LoL. It would have to warrant a rework of his Abilities. Like instead of stealing Intelligence (which doesn’t exist in LoL), Silencer in this case would steal Stats like Slark.
@@eagleye2893 No, not a ranged stat checker 💀
Viktor R is a weird fake silence like kassadin, that interrupts channel's
Hot take: people who play malphite have the same amount of brain cells that Garen players have
6:28 as a samira main the worst feeling is to just get silenced at the start of my ult, so i dislike soraka and blitz a lot for that fact.
I cause pure lobotomy to enemy junglers with Malz's Silence + Ult, disabling their smite for 7 seconds, making it easy to contest objectives as long as our own jungler doesn't use smite to chase the 0/20/1 Lulu, which is rare. It also sometimes baits away QSS in certain conditions
i think we could get away with a demacian champ that has all 5 abilities have silence effect
as Knock up is strongest CC in the game. Polymorph is second
As Riot continues to fill the roster with more and more champs, eventually there is just gonna be a ton of everything in the game. It more a case of the combo of abilities than just one, yes if you gave Zed a stun or silence that'd be horrible..as long as it didn't come at the cost of his shadow trick that is.
But as for silence in general, I mean...at this point I can't play a single game that doesn't have enough CC to make me wish for more and more tenacity even though if it chained right all the tenacity in the world is for naught in the face of the damage flying around these days. I think the whole CC system, soft and hard, needs to be tweaked a bit personally, how I am not 100% on though cause I know it is a tool needed to give a lot of champs some way to just survive against others.
A game of no CC with Yi, Zed, Talon, and so on around would be the worse thing ever unless they played by brainlets. Though I'd enjoy seeing how Rivens handle not having that tool, but anyway its a difficult question. I kinda don't mind silence so much since I can still at least attempt to run away, but that only works when it on a champ that isn't able to rush your ass down themselves. Such as Fiddlestick or Malz.
I really dont care that much about silences, but maybe that is because I like tanks. And if a Yi with Ult runs at you, in my experience, you can silence him all you want, you just die in a few autos.
Silence is antifun and except fiddle's E there isn't a fair/fun silence. And silence being "sudo stun" it has to be longer than stuns to be comparable but i can count on the tip of my fingers champions that don't become minions when they are silenced
the 10 man sleep xd
Why is there a silence ability but not a disarm which doesn't let you auto attack?!